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| irenab | rkukura: hi | 13:01 |
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| baoli | hello | 13:01 |
| beagles | hi! | 13:01 |
| rkukura | hi irenab, baoli, beagles, ...! | 13:01 |
| irenab | hi all | 13:01 |
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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 19 13:01:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:01 |
| heyongli | hi | 13:02 |
| baoli | I don't have a specific agenda | 13:03 |
| irenab | let's do update each on on his parts | 13:03 |
| heyongli | i release a patch set contain basic support , you can check it | 13:03 |
| heyongli | lack of unit test, working on that | 13:04 |
| irenab | heyongli: is all needed for pci white list definition with tags already under review? | 13:04 |
| baoli | https://review.openstack.org/57860 https://review.openstack.org/63267? | 13:04 |
| heyongli | irenab, yes | 13:04 |
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| heyongli | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/pci-extra-info,n,z | 13:05 |
| heyongli | this topic | 13:05 |
| baoli | heyongli, I will take a look at it. | 13:05 |
| irenab | me too | 13:06 |
| heyongli | i hope you can review bp, concentrate to the use case, it's not good now. | 13:06 |
| heyongli | baoli, the request mark is also release, maybe a proposal patch, the last one | 13:07 |
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| baoli | heyongli, I will look at it the first thing after the meeting | 13:07 |
| irenab | my turn? | 13:08 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:09 |
| baoli | heyongli, I am also working on a patch to support the three neutron sriov requirements. Just so let you know. | 13:09 |
| irenab | vnic_type is reworked according to the rkukura and baoli comments, will upload it after the meeting | 13:10 |
| heyongli | you can invite me to review that, then i can not miss it | 13:10 |
| irenab | rkukura: sorry for messing your patch yesterday... | 13:10 |
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| sadasu | Hi | 13:10 |
| baoli | irenab, I'm hoping to use your patch soon | 13:10 |
| rkukura | irenab: No problem | 13:11 |
| irenab | also uploaded WIP for ml2 MD to consume all baoli's work | 13:11 |
| irenab | just to make it till 18 Feb | 13:11 |
| baoli | irenab, that's good news. Once I can get the basics to work, I will publish my patch. Hopefully soon | 13:12 |
| sadasu | irenab: link for that BP/review? | 13:12 |
| irenab | baoli: have question on you comment regarding the models.py defined lenght | 13:12 |
| irenab | vnic_type is currently defined to be 64 chars | 13:13 |
| baoli | irenab, it's a nit. just wondering why it needs 64 chars | 13:13 |
| irenab | no special reason, just looked at vif_type | 13:13 |
| rkukura | I suspect irenab was following precedent | 13:13 |
| baoli | yesterday, I surprisingly found that mysql used up all my disks. I ended up reinstalling it on my server. | 13:14 |
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| rkukura | probably makes sense to leave some extra room for longer names than are currently needed | 13:14 |
| irenab | baoli: I think yesterday was challenging day for many of us... | 13:14 |
| irenab | rkukura: have question on DocImpact | 13:15 |
| baoli | I think 64 is fine. | 13:15 |
| rkukura | sure | 13:15 |
| baoli | but 32 would do. | 13:15 |
| baoli | Given that this is something internally defined | 13:15 |
| irenab | rkukura: I saw it on your patch. Shall I add it for vnic_type | 13:16 |
| rkukura | irenab: What's the question? | 13:16 |
| rkukura | oh | 13:16 |
| rkukura | Yes, a similar comment would make sense | 13:16 |
| irenab | is there any instruction what to put there? | 13:16 |
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| rkukura | maybe it does effect user docs, though | 13:16 |
| irenab | I think it may, since this attribute is accesable for user | 13:17 |
| rkukura | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/DocImpact | 13:17 |
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| irenab | Does it mean I need to update the documentation? | 13:17 |
| rkukura | Presumably, there will be a documentation effort covering the SR-IOV effort and this would be part of it, right? | 13:18 |
| irenab | rkukura: thanks | 13:18 |
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| irenab | I think it should be | 13:19 |
| rkukura | Just say something like "DocImpact: Update portbindings API docs and include in SR-IOV user docs" | 13:19 |
| baoli | sadasu, you can find the link from our meeting wiki | 13:19 |
| sadasu | baoli: ok...thanks | 13:19 |
| beagles | kind of on that note... | 13:21 |
| beagles | Is there an "end-to-end" description of the workflows and how they are implemented around SR-IOV? e.g.: enabling SR-IOV support/configuration, flavor management, tenant/quota relationships, specifiying the resources at instance boot, migration (if supported), compute node restart, etc. | 13:21 |
| beagles | I've been looking at doing this, but don't want to repeat work that's already been done. | 13:21 |
| beagles | (and yes, I pretyped that question into an editor... I can't type that fast) | 13:21 |
| itzikb | :-) | 13:21 |
| baoli | beagles, we started up with a google doc | 13:22 |
| baoli | I can forward you all the docs folks in this subgroup has been working on | 13:22 |
| beagles | that would be cool! | 13:22 |
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| baoli | after the meeting. | 13:22 |
| sgordon | baoli, i think part of the problem at this point is there are too many docs | 13:22 |
| beagles | sgordon beats me to the punch | 13:22 |
| sgordon | in varying stages of completeness depending on how far through the cycle they were written | 13:23 |
| irenab | beagles: I think it will be great if you can put all in one doc | 13:23 |
| beagles | I wanted to bring it all under one roof | 13:23 |
| sgordon | i think there needs to be a canonical design to get core attention, at least on the nova side | 13:23 |
| beagles | (so to speak) | 13:23 |
| sgordon | beagles, +1 | 13:23 |
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| beagles | the other aspect... | 13:23 |
| baoli | sgordon, I understand. We were trying very hard to converge | 13:23 |
| irenab | beagles: There is still work to do to close details for nova APIs | 13:24 |
| beagles | is that it will help us define functional subsets so we can say when certain features will be available... and also identify gaps that need to be closed for same. | 13:24 |
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| irenab | beagles: +1 | 13:25 |
| baoli | beagles, has you been able to follow the ML on pci passthrough and SRIOV? | 13:25 |
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| beagles | baoli, I've been playing catchup :) | 13:26 |
| beagles | baoli, at the moment I have a bunch of silly stupid questions... each time I write one down, 15 minutes I find the answer somewhere :) | 13:27 |
| baoli | I can compile a list and send to you guys. That way, you can see what have been discussed | 13:27 |
| baoli | beagles, that's very productive, and I bet they are good questions | 13:28 |
| irenab | beagles: you can send these questions to the team | 13:29 |
| irenab | anyway, will be glad to help | 13:29 |
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| beagles | baoli, well... lol I don't know about that. Some are pretty ridiculous, but barring unforeseen stuff I should have a good list at the end of today and I'll send it out tot he ML | 13:30 |
| baoli | beagles, looking forward to it. | 13:30 |
| sadasu | I had an unrelated question | 13:31 |
| irenab | rkukura: for your comment on nova bug, are you ok for now to skip the multi-segment extension and make dict for provider_net extension attributes? | 13:31 |
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| rkukura | irenab: I'd like the data model exposed within nova to support multiple segments, and include the other attributes | 13:32 |
| rkukura | Its OK for now if it only uses the providernet extension and those has at most one segment | 13:33 |
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| rkukura | But I suspect going from that to the full implementation would only add a couple lines of code. | 13:33 |
| rkukura | s/those/thus/ | 13:34 |
| irenab | rkukura: ok, will see if can support both from day one | 13:34 |
| baoli | rkukura, my understanding is that this bug is a temp fix that is only used by mlnx plugin | 13:35 |
| irenab | it can be either multi-segment or provider extension, right? | 13:35 |
| baoli | once incorporated with the sriov workflow, the fix will no longer be needed | 13:35 |
| rkukura | baoli: I wasn't aware this was a temporary fix. How would it differ from the longer term fix? | 13:36 |
| baoli | rkukura, did you read my comments in the review? | 13:36 |
| irenab | Yes, we need to propagate physical network name to VIF Driver | 13:36 |
| irenab | but I think that part that retrives physical network nbames can be added in way it supportes SRIOV scheduling | 13:37 |
| rkukura | I see "With understanding that this fix is currently needed for mlnx ML2 plugin, I'm ok with the change." | 13:37 |
| irenab | s/nbames/names | 13:37 |
| rkukura | baoli: Reading other comments now | 13:38 |
| irenab | So the only temporary part is adding physical_network name to network object of the VIF | 13:38 |
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| rkukura | baoli: your 2/13 comment on the workflow makes sense, I think | 13:40 |
| rkukura | irenab: OK, I understand that the VIF driver needs this network info for the mlnx plugin, and the nova scheduler needs it for SR-IOV, right? | 13:41 |
| irenab | rkukura: yes | 13:41 |
| rkukura | And with SR-IOV, nova will set binding:profile:physical_network to indicate which segment is being used. | 13:41 |
| rkukura | All sounds good to me. | 13:41 |
| baoli | irenab, the physical network names are retrieved for scheduling time | 13:42 |
| irenab | baoli: Agree , but you still will call neutronV2 api to get it, right? | 13:42 |
| baoli | the acutal physical net used will be set on the compute node | 13:42 |
| baoli | irenab, yes, we get it during scheduling | 13:42 |
| irenab | so you still need method to get it | 13:43 |
| baoli | irenab, the method to get it will be different from the one in the bug fix | 13:43 |
| irenab | baoli:can you explain the difference? | 13:44 |
| baoli | irenab, I have the method in my current patch. | 13:44 |
| baoli | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pci-passthrough-sriov | 13:44 |
| baoli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67500/ actually | 13:45 |
| irenab | OK, so just wondering what should be done here for now if any .... | 13:45 |
| irenab | baloi: will look at it after the meeting | 13:45 |
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| sadasu | before the meeting ends, just wanted to check if we could have a sr-iov meeting on the Monday of the summit | 13:49 |
| sadasu | we don't have a any neutron sessions on Monday | 13:50 |
| sadasu | need to plan travel accordingly | 13:50 |
| irenab | is there already agenda for the summit? | 13:50 |
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| sadasu | not detailed...but we know that Neutron design sessions got from Tue - Fri | 13:51 |
| sadasu | s/got/go | 13:51 |
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| irenab | sadasu: any specific content for the sr-iov meeting? | 13:52 |
| sadasu | just next steps and what we would be done in Juno | 13:53 |
| irenab | I think we may need nova design session for what we call long term | 13:53 |
| beagles | irenab, +1 | 13:53 |
| rkukura | sadasu: I'll plan to there on Monday, not sure what else may be happening that day, but sounds like a good opportunity | 13:53 |
| sadasu | mostly in terms of Nova ... | 13:53 |
| rkukura | when's the next SR-IOV IRC meeting? | 13:53 |
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| baoli | next tuesday | 13:53 |
| baoli | we plan to switch back to weekly meeting | 13:54 |
| beagles | baoli, same time? | 13:54 |
| baoli | but anyone can propose a sync-up meeting during Monday-Thursday. | 13:54 |
| baoli | beagles, yes | 13:54 |
| sadasu | Is there a Nova design session for pci-passthrough planned? | 13:54 |
| irenab | I think we should drive it | 13:55 |
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| sadasu | irenab, agreed.... | 13:55 |
| heyongli | i have no idea now | 13:55 |
| baoli | We should plan two sessions, one for nova and one for neutron | 13:55 |
| rkukura | joint session? | 13:55 |
| sadasu | joint session makes sense | 13:55 |
| irenab | does it makes sence to have neutron aware scheduler session? | 13:55 |
| sadasu | we need to present both pieces together to get/give the complete picture | 13:56 |
| baoli | joint session is good. | 13:56 |
| irenab | rkukura: any idea how to drive the joint session? | 13:57 |
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| sadasu | I think we need Nova flavor type discussion and something around neutron aware scheduling | 13:57 |
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| rkukura | I think proposing a similar session in both nova and neutron, and suggesting they be a join session, would do it. | 13:57 |
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| rkukura | Still might makes sense to get together Monday to prepare for a join session later in the week. | 13:58 |
| irenab | we have also the nova boot API for --nic | 13:58 |
| beagles | yeah, that should be pretty clear when proposing the sessions (scheduling and flavors) so they can try and work it that the folks driving scheduling on the nova side have minimal conflicts | 13:58 |
| sadasu | baoli, is the discussion around using host aggregates done? | 13:58 |
| beagles | rkukura, +1 | 13:58 |
| baoli | sadasu, not sure. | 13:59 |
| irenab | seems we need IRC meeting (or few of them) to plan agenda for the summit | 13:59 |
| beagles | :) | 13:59 |
| rkukura | I nice picture of the workflow for SR-IOV with some sort of color coding of what's in icehouse, what's absolutely required, and what's nice to add would probably be all that's needed to driver a good discussion | 13:59 |
| heyongli | aggregate discuss not closed by yunhong's update from meetup | 13:59 |
| sadasu | rkukura, +1 | 13:59 |
| beagles | rkukura, sounds like the stuff I talked about would be a good place to start | 13:59 |
| rkukura | beagles: +1 | 13:59 |
| baoli | rkukura, yes | 13:59 |
| irenab | beagles: +1 | 14:00 |
| sadasu | I know we are not solving that problem in icehouse, would be great to discuss during the summit | 14:00 |
| sadasu | host aggregates, I mean | 14:00 |
| heyongli | sure | 14:00 |
| sadasu | ok...so dfntly planning to be there on Monday for discussions | 14:01 |
| irenab | I think that all user experience parts are not covered well for now | 14:01 |
| sadasu | irenab, +1 | 14:01 |
| irenab | sadasu: agree. Hope to have flights to be there on Monday | 14:01 |
| sadasu | lets work on the doc beagles suggested at start of meeting | 14:02 |
| sadasu | with color coded diagram rkukura suggested | 14:02 |
| sadasu | and then use that to put in proposal for joint session | 14:02 |
| heyongli | next monday? | 14:02 |
| irenab | rkukura: would you be avaialble later today or tomorrow for few mins to dicuss the nova bug fix? | 14:03 |
| baoli | I think that we need to start with a recap on what we have discussed so far, plus the diagram | 14:03 |
| rkukura | irenab: I'm booked most of this AM (EST) but later today or tomorrow would be fine | 14:04 |
| irenab | so, next IRC meeting focusing on it? | 14:04 |
| sadasu | irenab, it? | 14:04 |
| rkukura | bye everyone - I've got another meeting to switch to | 14:04 |
| irenab | sadasu: agenda you suggested | 14:04 |
| sadasu | irenab: thanks :-) | 14:05 |
| heyongli | bye | 14:05 |
| baoli | ok, let's meet on Tues. | 14:05 |
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| sadasu | thanks everyone | 14:05 |
| beagles | cheers! | 14:05 |
| irenab | thanks, bye | 14:05 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 19 14:06:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-19-13.01.html | 14:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-19-13.01.txt | 14:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-19-13.01.log.html | 14:06 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:00 |
| Swami | ping sylvain | 15:00 |
| Swami | ping jamie | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:00 |
| Swami | ping hemanthravi | 15:00 |
| Swami | Hi carl | 15:00 |
| Swami | ping amuller | 15:00 |
| amuller | Swami: here | 15:00 |
| ajo | hi ;) | 15:01 |
| Swami | hi ajo | 15:01 |
| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 19 15:01:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: distributed_virtual_router)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:01 |
| Swami | ping robinwong | 15:01 |
| Swami | #topic F2F update | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "F2F update (Meeting topic: distributed_virtual_router)" | 15:02 | |
| Swami | Hi folks, last week we had our F2F meeting and there were around 10 audience with us in person and more people dialed in | 15:02 |
| Swami | I sent out an email to our sub-team about the meeting minutes. | 15:03 |
| Swami | Also it is capture in the L3 meeting minutes wiki | 15:03 |
| Swami | If you have any questions please feel free to send me an email. | 15:04 |
| Swami | amuller: You mentioned that you wanted to discuss your thoughts. | 15:04 |
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| amuller | Like we discussed in the meeting, the SNAT configuration value should be True for the service node and False for all the compute nodes | 15:05 |
| Swami | I mentioned in my previous meeting that we can discuss in today's meeting. | 15:05 |
| amuller | I think that a) It's error prone, and b) You should let the admin choose, so that if he wants to do SNAT at all / some of the compute nodes, he can put an IP on the external net | 15:06 |
| amuller | and turn on SNAT at that compute node | 15:06 |
| amuller | Carl Baldwin mentioned in the meeting that it can be a follow up blueprint | 15:06 |
| Swami | amuller: Yes SNAT boolean will determine the node where it hosts the centralized service node | 15:06 |
| amuller | I'm ok with that | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | A follow up blueprint would be to handle distributed snat specifically. | 15:07 |
| amuller | Right | 15:07 |
| Swami | amuller: We have listened to the audience and to the PTL and the PTL was ok for now going forward with the single node solution. | 15:07 |
| Swami | For multinode solution we can work on it later, after we having something working. | 15:08 |
| Swami | Hope this is clear for all. | 15:08 |
| Swami | carl: thanks for your input | 15:08 |
| Swami | amuller: Do you have anything else that you wanted to discuss. | 15:09 |
| amuller | Upstream wise, I would love it if you guys could sent in your code as soon as you could | 15:09 |
| amuller | send* | 15:09 |
| amuller | As soon as feasible on your end anyway | 15:10 |
| Swami | amuller: Thanks for the information, there are more things that need to happen before we push our code. | 15:10 |
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| amuller | Lastly - I have a draft for the blueprint I talked about before - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UsmwdNST1Ni_UP8nhewKdKkNre3MkZ9fO481l-fRjnA/edit?usp=sharing | 15:10 |
| amuller | It's a follow up to Sylvain's VRRP blueprint | 15:10 |
| Swami | As I mentioned in my meeting minutes, we need to get sign off on the agent design for both L2 and L3 from the respective teams and then we will push the code. | 15:10 |
| amuller | Providing A/A for each router | 15:10 |
| Swami | looking at your doc. | 15:11 |
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| amuller | You can look at it offline and add comments on it whenever you want :) | 15:12 |
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| Swami | amuller: I briefly did a walk through on your doc and it seems that is a slight change to the VRRP implementation that sylvain is proposing. | 15:13 |
| amuller | yeah it's a follow up / dependant blueprint, where each subnet will now have a list of gateways instead of 1 | 15:14 |
| amuller | If R1 is scheduled on 3 layer 3 agents, then R1 will have 3 different ip addresses | 15:14 |
| amuller | All acting as gateways for different VMs | 15:14 |
| amuller | Each VMwill get a different gateway in its dnsmasq record | 15:14 |
| amuller | So it improves load sharing between different nodes hosting l3 agent | 15:15 |
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| Swami | amuller: Can you update the datamodel in the blueprint doc | 15:15 |
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| Swami | amuller: I will provide more feedback during this week. | 15:17 |
| amuller | Swami: Change the data model part to a table? | 15:17 |
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| Swami | amuller: In the data model section add your table model definitions | 15:18 |
| amuller | Swami: ok | 15:18 |
| Swami | #topic F2F Meeting Follow up | 15:19 |
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| Swami | By next week I am planning to add two documents for the L2 agent design and for the L3 agent design to the get the community feedback. | 15:20 |
| Swami | As soon as I am done with that I will send a message to all our sub-team members for review. | 15:20 |
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| Swami | #action Swami to post the Agent design doc | 15:21 |
| Swami | #topic L3-agent consolidation | 15:21 |
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| Swami | recently I found that there was some activity in the L3-agent consolidation by yamahata | 15:22 |
| Swami | So for our DVR work, we might have to make sure that we take the L3-agent consolidation work into consideration. | 15:22 |
| amuller | I'm not tracking that - Could you post a link please? | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | I started a review of that work. Could use more eyes on it. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57627/ | 15:24 |
| Swami | carl: thanks | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73520/ | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | ^ Another related review. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | #topic General discussion | 15:26 |
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| Swami | This week I don't see sylvain and other folks, I will touch base with them through email. | 15:26 |
| Swami | Next week after we have the agent design doc, we can then decide on the next steps. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | sylvain is on vacation for two weeks. | 15:27 |
| Swami | carl: thanks for the information. I was not aware about it. | 15:27 |
| Swami | carl: Do you have anything to cover today | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | The ML2 sub team meeting is after this meeting. May want to mention your new L2 doc in their meeting. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | Maybe not this week but next week when the doc has been created. | 15:28 |
| Swami | carl: Thanks yes, I will sent it out to the ML2 sub team once I have the doc ready. | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | Great, I don't have anything else. | 15:28 |
| Swami | carl: yes that makes sense | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | I thought the F2F was production. Thanks for setting that up. | 15:29 |
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| Swami | Ok, then, if there is nothing to discuss today, I will end the session. | 15:29 |
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| Swami | carl: Thanks for all your feedback and help. Yes the F2F meeting really helped and provided a clear direction for the sub-team. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks, Swami | 15:30 |
| Swami | ok, guys take care. We will meet next week. | 15:30 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 19 15:30:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-02-19-15.01.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-02-19-15.01.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-02-19-15.01.log.html | 15:30 |
| amuller | Bye guys, good talk :) | 15:30 |
| Swami | bye everyone | 15:31 |
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| mestery | hi | 16:00 |
| banix | hello | 16:00 |
| rcurran | hi | 16:00 |
| HenryG | hi | 16:00 |
| irenab | hi | 16:00 |
| amotoki_ | hi | 16:01 |
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| mestery | rkukura matrohon: ping | 16:01 |
| matrohon | hi | 16:01 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 19 16:01:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
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| jgallard | hi | 16:02 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 ML2 Meeting Agenda | 16:02 |
| zzelle | Hi | 16:02 |
| mestery | Great to see a good turnout for this meeting! | 16:02 |
| trinaths | Hi | 16:02 |
| mestery | We'll get started now and hope rkukura joins us soon. | 16:02 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:02 |
| mestery | rkukura: Hey :) | 16:02 |
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| mestery | #topic Action Item Review | 16:02 |
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| trinaths | hi rkukura | 16:02 |
| trinaths | hi mestery | 16:03 |
| mestery | Hi trinaths | 16:03 |
| mestery | rkukura: You had an action to move the port binding discussion to Google Doc. Any update on that? | 16:03 |
| rkukura | yes | 16:03 |
| rkukura | I've puts some of the email text into https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k8tAqfQr8Ujzx5TzpXTYEUaym-0U-pE3YL9wjrS8cDg/edit#heading=h.cpck9ip3dbdv | 16:04 |
| mestery | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k8tAqfQr8Ujzx5TzpXTYEUaym-0U-pE3YL9wjrS8cDg/edit#heading=h.cpck9ip3dbdv Port Binding Google Doc | 16:04 |
| mestery | Thanks rkukura! | 16:04 |
| rkukura | And plan to reorganize it into a more cohesive description that could later get incorporated into ML2 developer documentation | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | Does the link work? | 16:05 |
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| matrohon | yes | 16:05 |
| mestery | yes, thanks rkukura! | 16:05 |
| mestery | #action ML2 team to review Port Binding document and comment inline | 16:05 |
| sc68cal | rkukura: Do you think we could collaborate on developer doc? | 16:05 |
| rkukura | I do plan to start implementing this today. | 16:06 |
| sc68cal | I've got a patch in that is trying to expand it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72428/ | 16:06 |
| rkukura | sc68cal: Sure | 16:06 |
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| rcurran | rkukura, start implementing https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1276395 | 16:06 |
| sc68cal | sorry to threadjack - have been spending time onboarding new comcasters | 16:06 |
| rcurran | ? | 16:07 |
| mestery | sc68cal: No worries man. | 16:07 |
| rkukura | rcurran: yes, along with the transactionality | 16:07 |
| rcurran | great, thanks | 16:07 |
| mestery | OK, next action item. | 16:07 |
| mestery | matrohon to file BP for multi-node testing and bring this up in the infra meeting | 16:07 |
| mestery | matrohon: Any updates? | 16:07 |
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| matrohon | yes | 16:07 |
| rkukura | rcurran: I'll look at whether its reasonable to do them as separate patches | 16:08 |
| matrohon | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/devstack/+spec/lxc-computes | 16:08 |
| rcurran | ok, and these can go in for I-3? | 16:08 |
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| matrohon | we devcided to fiil a bp in devstack | 16:08 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/devstack/+spec/lxc-computes Multi-node testing BP | 16:08 |
| mestery | matrohon: Great! This looks pretty cool! | 16:08 |
| matrohon | and use the new feature of devstack in a gate job | 16:08 |
| matrohon | we talked about that in infra meeting | 16:09 |
| rkukura | rcurran: That's the goal | 16:09 |
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| mestery | matrohon: Great! This looks promising. | 16:09 |
| mestery | OK, thanks for action item updates matrohon and rkukura | 16:09 |
| mestery | #topic Migration Tool | 16:09 |
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| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-deprecated-plugin-migration Migration BP | 16:09 |
| matrohon | there seems to have other ways to implement multi-node (tripleo, nodepool, zuul improvment) but we continue with lxc firs | 16:10 |
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| mestery | In the team meeting, marun volunteered to work on this with assistance from rkukura. | 16:10 |
| mestery | This is a critical BP, as without it, we can't deprecate Linuxbridge and OVS plugins. | 16:10 |
| mestery | Thanks to marun for volunteering to pick this up and rkukura for assisting here! | 16:10 |
| rkukura | markmclain has indicated this can get an extension to yesterday's feature proposal deadline, but we need to get it in review soon | 16:11 |
| mestery | #action marun and rkukura to proceed with migration BP and get an extension from markmcclain | 16:12 |
| mestery | Thanks rkukura. | 16:12 |
| mestery | Any quesitons on migration? | 16:12 |
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| amotoki_ | Is the target of the migration to migrate from havana ovs/lb to icehouse ml2? or icehouse ovs/lb to icehosue ml2? | 16:13 |
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| mestery | amotoki_: Good question! I think the target is Icehouse ov/lb to icehouse ML2, right rkukura? | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | amotoki_, mestery: I think it is current monolithic schema -> current ML2 schema | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | version migrations can be handled independently that way | 16:14 |
| rkukura | but marun may have other ideas | 16:14 |
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| mestery | amotoki_: Does that answer your question? | 16:15 |
| amotoki_ | mestery: yes. we can discuss and collect comments later and check the migration plan. | 16:15 |
| mestery | Great, thanks amotoki_. | 16:16 |
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| mestery | Moving on to the next topic | 16:16 |
| mestery | #topic ML2 SR-IOV BPs | 16:16 |
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| mestery | rkukura and irenab have posted 3 patches for review. | 16:16 |
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| mestery | I think all 3 are very close to going in. | 16:16 |
| mestery | See meeting agenda for BP links which have review links as well. | 16:16 |
| mestery | rkukura: Anything to add here? | 16:16 |
| rkukura | nope, except that the vif-details patch relates to the VIF security work nachi was doing, and that needs to get completed | 16:17 |
| mestery | rkukura: You mean Nachi's end of your patch? | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | we need nova to propagate binding:vif_details to the VIF driver | 16:18 |
| mestery | rkukura: Got it. | 16:18 |
| mestery | rkukura: Is there a patch in review for that yet? | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | Then we need Nachi's work on using keys in this to control security groups, etc., which needs work on both neutron and nova | 16:18 |
| amotoki_ | nachi's patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21946/ | 16:19 |
| mestery | OK, so sounds like there is some work left here then. | 16:19 |
| rkukura | was looking for that | 16:19 |
| HenryG | That's a lot of interrelated patches. Can they be listed together in the agenda? | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | I think beagles may be willing to help out on this if needed, since he's very familiar with the nova side | 16:20 |
| mestery | HenryG: I'll work on getting those right in the agenda :) | 16:20 |
| matrohon | add this patch too : https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1274034 | 16:21 |
| matrohon | patch attached to the bug for the moment | 16:21 |
| amotoki_ | nova side patch of vif security is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44596/ . | 16:21 |
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| mestery | Thanks for the patch links folks. | 16:22 |
| rkukura | would be great to get the generic neutron vif-details and binding-profile patches merged soon, so the VIF security and SR-IOV work can easily proceed | 16:22 |
| mestery | I just updated the SR-IOV section wtih all these, will clean them up a bit post-meeting. | 16:23 |
| mestery | rkukura: Agreed. | 16:23 |
| rkukura | we'd then be able to track the VIF security and SR-IOV stuff independently | 16:23 |
| mestery | rkukura: Agreed. | 16:24 |
| mestery | rkukura: Are those two patches the ones next on the agenda by any chance? | 16:24 |
| mestery | Under port binding bug fixes? | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | no, the port binding patches are the ones described by the google doc AI | 16:24 |
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| mestery | Too many patches to keep my head straight :) | 16:25 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Can you do "#link" for the two patches you are referencing? Would really help me at least. :) | 16:25 |
| rkukura | the vif-details and ml2-binding-profile patches? | 16:26 |
| mestery | Yes, the ones which enable the other stuff. | 16:26 |
| rkukura | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72452/ (binding:vif_details) | 16:26 |
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| rkukura | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73500/ (binding:profile) | 16:26 |
| mestery | Thanks rkukura! | 16:26 |
| mestery | Review feedback by ML2 folks on those two would be great! | 16:27 |
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| mestery | I've reviewed them and they are pretty much ready to merge IMHO. | 16:27 |
| irenab | and this for SR-IOV #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72334/ (request vnic_type) | 16:27 |
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| rkukura | irenab: was just going mention that one again | 16:28 |
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| mestery | Yes, all 3 of those look pretty ready to merge I think. | 16:28 |
| mestery | Lets see if we can make that happen by Friday. | 16:28 |
| mestery | Should we move on to the next item on the agenda? | 16:28 |
| rkukura | Note that an MDs that bind ports will need to look to make sure the binding:vnic_type attribute is something they handle | 16:28 |
| rkukura | s/an MDs/any MDs/ | 16:29 |
| mestery | #action All ML2 MechanismDrivers which bind ports should ensure they look to make sure the binding:vnic_type attribute is something they handle. | 16:30 |
| mestery | Thanks rkukura. | 16:30 |
| rkukura | Is multiprovidernet and opening up the network segment attributes next? | 16:30 |
| trinaths | sure | 16:30 |
| mestery | rkukura: Did we do the port binding patches? | 16:31 |
| mestery | I think so but confirm if not. | 16:31 |
| mestery | Then we'll move to multiprovidernet | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | We mentioned the proposal and google doc under AIs. There are no patches for these two bugs yet. I did followup to two emails on the openstack-dev thread. | 16:32 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : did you consider this thread for port_bnindings : | 16:32 |
| matrohon | https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg16417.html | 16:32 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Can you summarize how it might relate? | 16:33 |
| matrohon | nova should bot up ona instance once its port is bound by an MD | 16:34 |
| matrohon | the port gets active only if it is bound | 16:34 |
| matrohon | I think this could avoid race condition I mentionned on the ML about port-binding | 16:35 |
| rkukura | Doesn't nova have to boot the instance so that the vNIC will get created, the L2 agent will see it, and then the port gets active? | 16:35 |
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| amotoki_ | i think the original idea to check port status does not work because a port is plugged into the bridge in some vif driver. | 16:36 |
| mestery | rkukura: With libvirt, that is exactly how it's done yes. | 16:36 |
| matrohon | rkukura : checking port status before booting could avoid a lot of race condition | 16:37 |
| rkukura | is the goal of that thread to provide synchronization so that tempest can SSH into the VM as soon as it boots? | 16:37 |
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| matrohon | this is one goal, but to me, it would clarify the call-flow between nova and neutron | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | If so, it seems the harder part of that problem is making sure the dhcp-agent knows about the port and that the DHCP handshake completes. None of this is reflected in the port status, is it? | 16:38 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : yes, but don't you think it make sens to boot a VM only if its port is active (and bound in ML2 case) | 16:39 |
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| rkukura | I guess if "plug_vfs" can get done before the VM boots, then waiting for the ports to become active might make sense. | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | One small step would be to refuse to boot the VM if binding:vif_type is 'unbound' or 'binding failed'. I'm not sure waiting for this helps. | 16:41 |
| irenab | matrohon: should not port status represent its operational state? | 16:41 |
| matrohon | rkukura : fine for a good first step | 16:42 |
| rkukura | I definitely need to read and understand arosen's BP and patches | 16:42 |
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| matrohon | irenab : I don't think a port is operationnal if it is not bound by a MD | 16:43 |
| rkukura | But it sounds like its a good idea to wait for the status to be active if the vNIC can be plugged after the port is bound but before booting the VM | 16:43 |
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| rkukura | So someone creates port, nova schedules to compute node and sets binding:host_id, ML2 binds, nova gets binding:vif_type, nova plugs port (creating tap device or whatver), nova waits for status to become active, then nova boots VM? | 16:44 |
| irenab | rkukura: it may be relevant for segmentation_id configuration as well | 16:44 |
| irenab | rkukura: sounds corrent, L2 agent updates status to active once properly configured | 16:45 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: Do you see any implications for the port binding proposal? | 16:46 |
| matrohon | rkukura : but with the binding outside the create_port you have to tell nova once the binding finished | 16:46 |
| matrohon | rkukura : this seems to be the direction took by aarosen | 16:47 |
| rkukura | matrohon: If nova passes binding:host_id to create_port, binding should be finished when nova gets the port_dict that's returned | 16:47 |
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| rkukura | If nova instead passes binding:host_id via update_port, then binding should be finished when nova gets the port_dict returned from that. | 16:47 |
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| rkukura | nova needs the binding:vif_type and binding:vif_details from the bound port dict to know how its GenericVIFDriver should plug the port. | 16:48 |
| matrohon | rkukura : it's up to the MD response no? | 16:48 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: When port binding succeeds, the bound MD supplies the binding:vif_type and binding:vif_details values. | 16:49 |
| rkukura | And those get returned to nova, which needs to stash them in the VIF object for the VIF driver to use. | 16:49 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : I see some potential race condition, if the MD doesn't respond quickly, because nova create its VIF object based on port_list | 16:50 |
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| matrohon | AFAIK :) | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura, matrohon: when neutron return vif_details, can the port status be set to active - which is what nova is looking for? | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: not sure what you mean by "based on port_list" | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think port status is supposed to indicate that L2 connectivity is available, which needs to be based on the L2 agent (when used) having set things up | 16:52 |
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| matrohon | neutron_client.port_list; I will dig into that and update the Doc or email you | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: Thanks. One point of confusion may be that with the port binding proposal, when their are two transactions surrounding an attempt to bind, the results from the operation are not returned until after the 2nd transaction has committed. | 16:54 |
| rkukura | matrohon: And I think that would apply even if the binding is occurring as part of a "port list" operation. | 16:55 |
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| rkukura | mestery: Anything else on the agenda - 4 minutes left | 16:56 |
| mestery | Yes: :) | 16:56 |
| mestery | Thanks rkukura | 16:56 |
| matrohon | rkukura : oh that's the confusing point I think. I dindn't noticed that the binding occur during et_port or port_list ! | 16:56 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 16:56 |
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| mestery | So, wanted to leave time for questions from MD writers, etc. | 16:56 |
| mestery | We have 5 minutes left or s. | 16:56 |
| mestery | anything? | 16:56 |
| amotoki_ | irenab: i have a question on “vnic_type” patch. | 16:56 |
| amotoki_ | my question is about naming. | 16:57 |
| amotoki_ | what does “vnic” mean? There are many cases where vnic and vic are used as the same meaning. I would like to clarify its meaning. | 16:57 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: The basic idea is that no port dict will be returned without an existing valid binding, or at least attempting to bind and failing as part of the operation returning the dictionary. | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | mestery, rkukura: need few review cycles from you to reveiew https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73482/ | 16:57 |
| matrohon | rkukura : thanks | 16:57 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Will do. | 16:57 |
| irenab | amotoki: vnic means VM VIF | 16:58 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: OK | 16:58 |
| amotoki_ | s/vnic and vic/vnic and vif/ | 16:58 |
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| amotoki_ | irenab: we already have vif_type and the patch introduces vnic_type. | 16:58 |
| rkukura | My understanding is that vnic_type is what the VM sees - i.e. what kind of driver it will use for the interface. | 16:59 |
| irenab | amotoki: yes, its the requested type for the VM interface | 16:59 |
| rkukura | While vif_type is the host's side of it. | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | mestery, rkukura: Thanks | 16:59 |
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| amotoki_ | thanks for the clarfication. it is worth documented. | 16:59 |
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| mestery | OK, we're out of time now. | 17:00 |
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| mestery | Thanks to everyone for joining us! | 17:00 |
| mestery | Keep those reviews coming this week! | 17:00 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| irenab | vnic_type is input and vif_type is output | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 19 17:00:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-02-19-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-02-19-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-02-19-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | irenab: correct, from neutron's point of view | 17:00 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 19 17:01:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| mugsie | whos here? | 17:01 |
| richm | present | 17:01 |
| betsy | o/ | 17:01 |
| eankutse | here | 17:01 |
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| kiall | heya | 17:01 |
| rjrjr_ | here | 17:01 |
| tsimmons | Here (sort of, on my phone) | 17:01 |
| mugsie | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | kiall to review current incubation applications and new "limits" on # per cycle | 17:02 |
| mugsie | kiall: any update? | 17:02 |
| kiall | So - I've left looking into incubation stuff to Alex for the moment, I'll organize a call with him soon to sync up | 17:02 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:02 |
| mugsie | Regroup on Talks+WS at 17:00 UTC tomorrow (Thursday) | 17:03 |
| mugsie | that was done, and 3 talks were submitted | 17:03 |
| mugsie | kiall to condense mini-summit dicussions into MiniDNS spec | 17:03 |
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| kiall | ehh.. I totally forgot about that item.. Apologies, next week. | 17:03 |
| mugsie | this to be moved to next week kiall? | 17:03 |
| mugsie | ok | 17:03 |
| mugsie | #action kiall to condense mini-summit dicussions into MiniDNS spec | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | #topic review/add new blueprints as needed to track smaller work items | 17:04 |
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| eankutse | looks like this was for all | 17:04 |
| mugsie | I have started to do this, and I have noticed that all of the new bp's filled are much shorter | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | yup, we said this was to be standing, so unless anyoine has a question, i will move o | 17:04 |
| mugsie | on* | 17:05 |
| kiall | Yep - minidns needs the same treatment, once the spec is refreshed | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | #topic mini-dns, what next? | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | i think this relates to ^ | 17:05 |
| mugsie | unless kiall you have an update? | 17:05 |
| kiall | Next steps are on me again right now - refresh the spec, split blueprints, and get that POC code together. | 17:05 |
| mugsie | #action kiall: MiniDNS - refresh the spec, split blueprints, and get that POC code together. | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | ok to ove on? | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | move* | 17:06 |
| kiall | Nothing from me right now, too many other things on my plate this week | 17:06 |
| mugsie | ok | 17:07 |
| mugsie | #topic What should we call "miniDNS"? | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | before we get into a 90min debate about this | 17:07 |
| mugsie | I have a suggestion | 17:07 |
| mugsie | for next week we all put our Ideas in the wiki (in the meeting page) | 17:08 |
| mugsie | and a simple vote in 7 days time | 17:08 |
| kiall | I thought this was going to be listed as a future item? | 17:08 |
| betsy | mugsie: excellent idea | 17:08 |
| mugsie | I moved it up, purely as it is going to start getting referneced everywhere soon | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | #action All: Put name ideas for miniDNS on wiki | 17:09 |
| mugsie | any other comments? | 17:09 |
| rjrjr_ | sounds good | 17:09 |
| eankutse | cool | 17:09 |
| mugsie | #topic Icehouse 2 Release - 2014-02-19 (mugsie) | 17:09 |
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| eankutse | on Mini DNS | 17:09 |
| eankutse | POC | 17:09 |
| eankutse | can we spend a couple of minutes | 17:10 |
| eankutse | ? | 17:10 |
| mugsie | cool. | 17:10 |
| eankutse | Been looking at dnspython for miniDNS POC. Looks like dnspython is more of a Client-side library. So while it can send an AXFR query, it cannot send an AXFR response. | 17:10 |
| eankutse | Will look around a bit more to see if there are other python libraries out there that are more Server-side centric that can respond to AXFR queries. | 17:10 |
| mugsie | #topic MiniDNS POC | 17:10 |
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| kiall | eankutse: I believe it can, it just don't have a "send response" method | 17:10 |
| eankutse | Does anyone else know about dnspython who could confirm? | 17:10 |
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| eankutse | ok. | 17:10 |
| kiall | the core of dnspython, and the piece we're interested in, is the protocol parser | 17:11 |
| eankutse | ok | 17:11 |
| eankutse | I'll check that out | 17:11 |
| eankutse | thx | 17:11 |
| kiall | It should be a case a building up the appropriate objects, and calling o.to_wire() to serialize it | 17:11 |
| eankutse | great! | 17:12 |
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| richm | for the wiki to put the list of names - which page should we use - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate ? | 17:12 |
| mugsie | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate | 17:12 |
| mugsie | i would say there, in an Agenda Item | 17:12 |
| richm | ok | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | #topic Icehouse 2 Release - 2014-02-19 (mugsie) | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | I suggesting we make an 12 release today | 17:13 |
| mugsie | all bugs / bp's filed against it are fix commited / implemented | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | does that seem ok? | 17:14 |
| kiall | I'd like to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74655/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73717/ merged if we do.. Both small + simple changes | 17:14 |
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| kiall | "Ensure default DB connection strings use unique defaults" and "Default state-path to /var/lib/designate" | 17:14 |
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| mugsie | OK | 17:14 |
| mugsie | anything else people think is required? | 17:15 |
| vinod | i think we need betsy's blacklist fix | 17:15 |
| vinod | yet to be done | 17:15 |
| vinod | this is the issue that ekarlson bought up yesterday | 17:16 |
| betsy | I was just going to ask that | 17:16 |
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| tsimmons | It'll mess up DB migrations for people using MySQL of | 17:16 |
| betsy | mysql isn't happy with it over 255 | 17:16 |
| kiall | vinod: Yea, agreed.. Ideally we fix that before putting it into a release | 17:16 |
| tsimmons | If there isn't a fix. | 17:16 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:16 |
| betsy | Changing it back to 255 fixes it | 17:16 |
| betsy | I can put that in today | 17:16 |
| mugsie | for i2 i think ^ is aceptable | 17:16 |
| kiall | betsy: I think switching to a varchar will do it.. | 17:17 |
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| kiall | actually.. it already is | 17:17 |
| betsy | It is showing up as a varchar, which is what's puzzling | 17:17 |
| betsy | The error is a key size error | 17:17 |
| betsy | Even changing it to 280 gave the same error | 17:17 |
| betsy | I was playing with it all night | 17:17 |
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| betsy | 255 is probably big enough anyway | 17:18 |
| betsy | Unless someone has another suggestion | 17:18 |
| kiall | betsy: lets shrink it to 255 with another migration, and we can increase it with a fix later if needs mbe | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | +1 | 17:18 |
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| betsy | That was my other question | 17:18 |
| betsy | Do I have to do another migration on top of the one I did or can I change the migration I did? | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | will that migration not break stuff if left in? | 17:19 |
| kiall | betsy: generally, once a migration is in.. you should avoid touching it if at all possible. | 17:19 |
| kiall | since this migration works (until you try querying the table), I'd add another on top to reduce it | 17:19 |
| betsy | I know, but then I thought the same thing mugsie just brought up | 17:19 |
| betsy | It doesn't work on a mysql migration | 17:20 |
| tsimmons | I believe I got the error during the migration. | 17:20 |
| kiall | Really? The Jenkins slave runs it just fine! | 17:20 |
| betsy | The table won't even get set uo | 17:20 |
| betsy | I know, but when I have a mysql db set up, the install blows up | 17:20 |
| mugsie | i would say we should fix the migration | 17:20 |
| betsy | Tim had the same problem | 17:20 |
| kiall | mugsie: the issue with "fixing" the migration is, it leaves anyone who's already ran it with a different DB | 17:21 |
| kiall | But.. If it's blowing up for some people, there's not much choice | 17:21 |
| mugsie | yes, but the issue with the migration is it blows up peoples db ;) | 17:21 |
| betsy | Ikr? | 17:21 |
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| betsy | I kept going back and forth in my own mind | 17:22 |
| vinod | how about deleting that migration and adding a new one? | 17:22 |
| betsy | Same thing as fixing this one | 17:22 |
| mugsie | vinod: same issue | 17:22 |
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| kiall | vinod: same issue, the # is tracked inside the DB | 17:22 |
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| kiall | betsy: lets talk after, it should be possible to remove the content of that migration, and conditionally create / size down in the next one | 17:22 |
| mugsie | so i think we are agreed | 17:22 |
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| betsy | okay. Let's continue discussion afterwards | 17:23 |
| mugsie | ok, cool | 17:23 |
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| mugsie | after a patch for 1282164 land i will release | 17:23 |
| mugsie | lands* | 17:23 |
| mugsie | #topic Icehouse 3 Release - 2014-03-06 (mugsie) | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | kiall: want to run though this | 17:24 |
| mugsie | ? | 17:24 |
| kiall | Sure.. | 17:24 |
| kiall | So.. i3 is due March 6th.. I think we should do everything we can to hit that date, and aim have all user facing stuff "complete" (e.g. any remaining end-user API changes etc) | 17:25 |
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| kiall | The reasoning being .. We want to demonstrate we can hit these dates for incubation.. | 17:26 |
| betsy | kiall: agreed | 17:26 |
| kiall | (We haven't been so far..) | 17:26 |
| eankutse | and we identified what it is that we'd like in it right? | 17:26 |
| mugsie | as part of this I think we need to log any and all bugs with V2 API by friday, and then prioritse them | 17:26 |
| kiall | So .. We need to identify all remaining gaps in APIv2, and what the minimal changes in order to get the user facing piece right | 17:27 |
| eankutse | we marked the blueprints that we want in it | 17:27 |
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| kiall | eankutse: no, we need to circle back and identify exactly whats missing | 17:27 |
| mugsie | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 17:27 |
| mugsie | what is currently targetted | 17:28 |
| kiall | e.g. as an end user of someone's Designate install, can they do everything they can do in V1 today, in V2? | 17:28 |
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| kiall | If not - that gap needs to filled ASAP | 17:28 |
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| eankutse | k | 17:28 |
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| kiall | So .. Over the next day or two, can we start getting a list together here? | 17:29 |
| kiall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-v2-gaps | 17:29 |
| kiall | then, we'll get tickets fixed etc and start filling them | 17:29 |
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| mugsie | #action All: Fill gaps in API V2 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-v2-gaps | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | cool. Anything else people have for the i3 release? | 17:30 |
| kiall | Not from me | 17:31 |
| rjrjr_ | no | 17:31 |
| mugsie | #topic Server Pools Master BP | 17:32 |
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| eankutse | I feel like we are in a crunch :-) | 17:32 |
| vinod | currently v2 api is disabled by default | 17:32 |
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| vinod | when will we be enabling it? | 17:32 |
| mugsie | vinod: yup | 17:32 |
| vinod | for i3? | 17:32 |
| mugsie | in i3 (if it 100%) ? | 17:32 |
| vinod | ok | 17:32 |
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| kiall | vinod: When we think it's stable enough - which is hopefullty i3 | 17:32 |
| kiall | hopefully* | 17:32 |
| betsy | does that include the paging? | 17:32 |
| mugsie | betsy: yes | 17:32 |
| eankutse | and miniDNS | 17:33 |
| kiall | ekarlso has been working on the paging, it looks to be 95% there.. | 17:33 |
| mugsie | eankutse: no | 17:33 |
| kiall | eankutse: lol | 17:33 |
| eankutse | whew! | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/server-pools | 17:34 |
| betsy | What about updated docs? | 17:34 |
| mugsie | We can do those as part of the rcs | 17:34 |
| vinod | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/v2-api-documentation | 17:34 |
| mugsie | RC's | 17:34 |
| betsy | mugsie: okay | 17:34 |
| kiall | betsy: in true openstack tradition, they can come in about 2 years (kidding..) I'd say those should be worked out after i3, before "icehouse proper" | 17:34 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:34 |
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| betsy | okay | 17:35 |
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| mugsie | so, as we discussed in austin, I have broken down Pools into smaller chunks | 17:35 |
| mugsie | We also discussed having these running as small groups, who wouold then report the progress to here, in a msaller form | 17:36 |
| kiall | Random rant.. Ideally, while the launchapd BP's might be split, I'm not sure I like splitting the wiki blueprint up. Makes it much harder to follow | 17:36 |
| mugsie | if anyone is interested in doing that, let me know | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | kiall: really? I find it easier | 17:36 |
| kiall | Yep - really, having to cross reference piles of wiki pages to see the whole change is awkward! | 17:37 |
| kiall | e.g. storage changes are here.. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/Server_Pools/Storage | 17:37 |
| kiall | api changes are here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/Server_Pools/API | 17:37 |
| kiall | how it integrates with MiniDNS is here.. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/Server_Pools/MiniDNS | 17:37 |
| mugsie | and.... | 17:37 |
| kiall | Theres about 15 of them ;) | 17:37 |
| mugsie | 8 | 17:38 |
| mugsie | but i still dont see the problem | 17:38 |
| mugsie | they are designed to be worked on in isolation | 17:38 |
| vinod | I would agree with kiall - with the wiki - having one makes it easier to understand the bigger picture | 17:38 |
| mugsie | it would make it one massive page | 17:38 |
| kiall | Right - But getting an idea of the whole thing is important. With that split, it's MUCH harder to do that without a photographic memory of all the other pages besides the one you currently have open. | 17:39 |
| eankutse | +1. Keep design in one place. | 17:39 |
| mugsie | ok - i will look at it later | 17:39 |
| mugsie | but back on topic ;) | 17:39 |
| kiall | as the author, it might be easier for you, since you know the content inside out.. for the rest of us.. not so much ;) | 17:39 |
| tsimmons | You could have both, put it all in one place and then have smaller pages too if you just want to look at one thing. | 17:39 |
| betsy | As long as they all link off of one page -- Server Pools. | 17:40 |
| mugsie | anyone who is interested in get involved, I will send an email to the -dev list later on today | 17:40 |
| mugsie | betsy: they are | 17:40 |
| mugsie | the reason i did it is it would be impossible to link off the serverpools-api spec, and have it show what that signle bp is doing | 17:40 |
| mugsie | if it is all on one page | 17:41 |
| betsy | mugsie: Ah good point | 17:41 |
| kiall | The launchapd BP description can include text describing which pieces of the main spec are "included" | 17:41 |
| kiall | or, you can link to the section headers on the page | 17:41 |
| mugsie | that is supposed to be an overall view | 17:41 |
| mugsie | so you suggest just copy pasting the sub pages on to one page? | 17:42 |
| kiall | Yea - Having a single design document makes it easy to review and grasp | 17:42 |
| mugsie | anyway - is everyone on the openstack-dev mailing list? | 17:42 |
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| rjrjr_ | i will be if i am not | 17:43 |
| kiall | mugsie: why? | 17:43 |
| eankutse | should we all take a look at what mugsie has | 17:43 |
| kiall | (I am...) | 17:43 |
| eankutse | before we request more changes? | 17:43 |
| eankutse | I have not looked at it tho | 17:43 |
| mugsie | i would suggest people look at the page before deciding | 17:44 |
| eankutse | maybe it's not that bad to navigate | 17:44 |
| mugsie | kiall: [17:40] < mugsie> | anyone who is interested in get involved, I will send an email to the -dev list later on today | 17:44 |
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| mugsie | getting* | 17:44 |
| kiall | mugsie: ah :) | 17:44 |
| mugsie | leaving aside the split / no split disscussion - (we can have this in open disscussion) are people happy with me sending the mail to -dev list asking for interest? | 17:45 |
| betsy | mugsie: yes | 17:45 |
| richm | sounds good | 17:45 |
| vinod | #agreed | 17:46 |
| rjrjr_ | yes | 17:46 |
| kiall | Yep - Go for it :) But - Many of the wiki pages are still placeholders though (I think!), I'd be worth filling them out for people to read :) | 17:46 |
| mugsie | #action mugsie: mail openstack-dev with call for interest in server-pools spec | 17:46 |
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| mugsie | kiall: yup | 17:46 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:47 |
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| mugsie | any other topics? | 17:47 |
| rjrjr_ | afraid to bring any more up with the list we have going on! | 17:47 |
| rjrjr_ | i have an ebay use case i'd like to put out in front of the team. | 17:48 |
| rjrjr_ | where is the best place to do that? | 17:48 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_: cool - shoot | 17:48 |
| mugsie | well, if you want to put it on the wiki, or discuss it here? or in an etherpad | 17:48 |
| mugsie | anyone else have a suggestion where? | 17:48 |
| betsy | We have about 10 more minutes now | 17:49 |
| kiall | Nope - These meetings are perfect for it.. Unless it's too complicated an idea, in which case a wiki page detailing would be better! | 17:49 |
| rjrjr_ | okay. let's get into it then? | 17:50 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:50 |
| kiall | yep :) | 17:50 |
| rjrjr_ | okay. we have a VPC which is domain dev.ebayc3.com. | 17:51 |
| eankutse | what is VPC? | 17:51 |
| rjrjr_ | tenant A will have a subdomain called tenantA.dev.ebayc3.com. | 17:51 |
| rjrjr_ | VPC - virtual private cloud. think of it as a collection of tenants. | 17:51 |
| rjrjr_ | a new VM will be added to DNS, A record - vm1.tenantA.dev.ebayc3.com - PTR record - 10.0.0.2. | 17:52 |
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| rjrjr_ | the dev.ebayc3.com and 10.0.0/8 will pre-exist as domains in Designate. | 17:53 |
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| rjrjr_ | as tenants are created/destroyed, we want to subdomain the dev.ebayc3.com, but not have a different zone (so all the backend plumbing is in place.) | 17:53 |
| kiall | So, rather than tenantA.dev.ebayc3.com being created as an actual zone, tenantA people would have access to the tenantA.dev.ebayc3.com part of dev.ebayc3.com ? | 17:54 |
| rjrjr_ | correct. | 17:55 |
| kiall | Humm - What's the reason for avoiding creating the new sub-zone? Since the parent zone is hosted on Designate, there shouldn't be much in the way of external plumbing to configure? | 17:56 |
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| rjrjr_ | we have about 5000 tenants now. we'd like to not have 5000 zones. | 17:57 |
| rjrjr_ | (5000 and growing.) | 17:57 |
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| rjrjr_ | so, i see us sharing domains (10.in-addr.arpa), having subdomains in same zone as parent domain. | 17:58 |
| kiall | rjrjr_: Humm, I'm not sure I can think of an easy way to make ^ happen. Sharing a resource among many tenants and then restricting access based on name would be a very different model to what we do today... | 17:59 |
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| rjrjr_ | okay. i can take this to -dev list. we have 1 minute. | 17:59 |
| mugsie | i do see it being difficult altight | 17:59 |
| kiall | It's possible it could be done as an API extension, where that API extension evevates to an admin, so it can get access to the zone, and rejects stuff for the wrong names | 17:59 |
| kiall | elevates* | 18:00 |
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| kiall | ^ would be similar to what we do for FloatingIP calls to neutron | 18:00 |
| rjrjr_ | i'd like to hear/read more about this. | 18:00 |
| kiall | Okay ... That's time. mugsie #endmeeting please ;) | 18:00 |
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| rjrjr_ | main chat? | 18:01 |
| kiall | rjrjr_: yep | 18:01 |
| mugsie | yeah, lets move to #openstack-dns | 18:01 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 19 18:01:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-02-19-17.01.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-02-19-17.01.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-02-19-17.01.log.html | 18:01 |
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