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| randallburt | looks clear stevebaker ;) | 00:08 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 00:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 00:09:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 00:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 00:09 |
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| stevebaker | #topic **sigh** | 00:09 |
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| sdake | updating wikis is srs biz | 00:09 |
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| zaneb | not sure why we had to move, given that they are the ones who didn't reserve the channel? | 00:10 |
| zaneb | oh well | 00:10 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 00:10 |
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| randallburt | o/ | 00:10 |
| sdake | \o/ | 00:10 |
| zaneb | I'm here | 00:10 |
| tango | o/ | 00:10 |
| stevebaker | hey, small meeting | 00:11 |
| randallburt | these usually are. | 00:11 |
| sdake | zaneb I have the same feeling :) | 00:11 |
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| stevebaker | where is china? | 00:11 |
| kebray | I'm here, but have to leave in 5. | 00:11 |
| stevebaker | #topic Review last meeting's actions | 00:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review last meeting's actions (Meeting topic: heat)" | 00:11 | |
| stevebaker | there were none | 00:12 |
| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 00:12 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-2-20.29 | 00:12 |
| stevebaker | #topic Blueprints which will miss the FPF | 00:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints which will miss the FPF (Meeting topic: heat)" | 00:13 | |
| stevebaker | shardy is working on a native waitcondition which I'm OK with having a feature proposal extension for | 00:14 |
| sdake | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/systemd-integration merged today | 00:14 |
| sdake | not sure why it wasn't kicked to implemented | 00:14 |
| stevebaker | sdake: is that all that is required? | 00:14 |
| sdake | yup | 00:14 |
| stevebaker | sweet | 00:14 |
| stevebaker | I'm not sure where this is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/parameter-nested-schema | 00:15 |
| zaneb | function-plugins has reviews up | 00:15 |
| stevebaker | I think therve was going to evaluate whether it was done indirectly already | 00:15 |
| sdake | stevebaker to make the FPF, does blueprint need tobe in "Needs Code REview" or is "Good progerss" sufficient | 00:15 |
| stevebaker | #action therve to update https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/parameter-nested-schema | 00:16 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: I don't think its done via therve's recent changes. Maybe the unification of properties and parameter schema? | 00:16 |
| stevebaker | sdake: good question. I'd be happy with some definitions of Good Progress | 00:16 |
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| sdake | stevebaker my definition of Good Progress means code is available for review, it may not pass the gate, and it may have some bugs, but for the most part it is functional | 00:17 |
| zaneb | sdake: I don't think it's a question of the blueprint status, but more of whether you have patches up | 00:17 |
| stevebaker | sdake: sounds sufficient to me | 00:17 |
| zaneb | sdake: I think that should count | 00:17 |
| randallburt | agreed | 00:18 |
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| stevebaker | It looks like a main part of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/i18n-messages has just been reverted, but I'm sure it shouldn't be kicked yet | 00:18 |
| sdake | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/db-sync-models-with-migrations has no patches up | 00:18 |
| sdake | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/retry-failed-update has no patches up | 00:19 |
| sdake | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/hot-software-config has no patches up | 00:19 |
| stevebaker | it jolly well does | 00:20 |
| randallburt | there are def patches up for software config | 00:20 |
| sdake | launchpad lies then :( | 00:20 |
| stevebaker | maybe I've been slack with my commit messages | 00:20 |
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| stevebaker | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/cancel-update-stack looks like Good Progress | 00:20 |
| zaneb | sdake: there's like 30 patches listed for that? | 00:20 |
| stevebaker | I think I'll kick https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/db-sync-models-with-migrations from icehouse | 00:21 |
| sdake | zaneb I was expecting gerrit reviews to show up in launchpad, guess that isn't always the case | 00:22 |
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| sdake | I haven't actually looked at the review queue this week :( | 00:22 |
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| zaneb | sdake: they're right there in the whiteboard | 00:22 |
| stevebaker | I'll kick https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/retry-failed-update for now | 00:23 |
| sdake | zaneb your right, my mistake | 00:23 |
| stevebaker | anything else? there seems to be something in review for all the Good Progress ones | 00:25 |
| sdake | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/as-intermediate-resources needs a priority | 00:25 |
| stevebaker | sdake: refresh ;) | 00:25 |
| stevebaker | #topic Heat presentation votes | 00:26 |
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| stevebaker | Voting for Atlanta general presentations is now open, so if you have a proposal then post your links here so we know about them | 00:27 |
| stevebaker | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/application-software-configuration-using-heat | 00:27 |
| stevebaker | vote for meeeee! | 00:27 |
| zaneb | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/introduction-to-openstack-orchestration | 00:27 |
| zaneb | vote for us too! | 00:27 |
| stevebaker | vote for zaaaaaane! | 00:27 |
| zaneb | (me and shardy - mostly shardy) | 00:27 |
| randallburt | https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/orchestration-for-public-cloud-the-experience-of-running-heat-at-rackspace | 00:28 |
| stevebaker | you can search for presentations at the top | 00:28 |
| zaneb | randallburt: ooh, nice one | 00:29 |
| randallburt | vote mostly for kebray. I'm just there to correct the technical mishaps. | 00:29 |
| randallburt | ;) | 00:29 |
| randallburt | and to look pretty, of cource | 00:29 |
| stevebaker | naturally | 00:29 |
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| stevebaker | vote for keeeeeith! | 00:30 |
| zaneb | might be time to break out my brute-force screen-scraper to get a list of presentations | 00:30 |
| stevebaker | #topic Open Discussion | 00:30 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: +1 | 00:30 |
| stevebaker | we have a lot to review | 00:30 |
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| sdake | we have alot of core reviewers not in this meeting - might make sense to shoot them an email and remind them of the impending deadlines around reviewing the "Needs Review" blueprints :) | 00:31 |
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| zaneb | it's cool that there are people I have never heard of offering tutorials on Heat | 00:32 |
| sdake | zaneb got a link? | 00:32 |
| zaneb | https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/hands-on-heat-tutorial | 00:32 |
| stevebaker | March 6 for feature freeze | 00:32 |
| stevebaker | heature freeze | 00:32 |
| zaneb | (_weird_ but I guess cool) | 00:32 |
| stevebaker | cool SUSE is using heat? | 00:33 |
| stevebaker | we may as well finish early unless there is anything else | 00:35 |
| zaneb | +2 for finish early | 00:35 |
| sdake | ya late here need to unplug :) | 00:35 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: we sorted wrt security alerts n such | 00:35 |
| randallburt | ? | 00:35 |
| randallburt | sorry trying to type before we ended | 00:36 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: Was I right in that Jason volunteered for that? | 00:36 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: yup | 00:36 |
| stevebaker | so the security team is shardy, zaneb, jasond and stevebaker | 00:36 |
| stevebaker | ah, that is a thing to discuss | 00:36 |
| stevebaker | we'll probably add heat-cfntools to the list of projects that belong to the security process. sdake do you recall and auditing as part of the fedora packaging process? | 00:37 |
| stevebaker | recall *any* auditing | 00:38 |
| stevebaker | also we need to decide if heat-templates is added to the security process. It currently has quite some issues https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat-templates/+bug/1267635 | 00:39 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: I wouldn't worry about adding the templates until there's some gating around them. | 00:41 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: I wouldn't either, except that Red Hat packages it | 00:41 |
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| stevebaker | randallburt: and it may be the most obvious home for the software-config hooks | 00:41 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: in the templates repo? ok, but then the gating should be done before we add it to the security process is all I'm saying | 00:43 |
| randallburt | and it seems really odd that that repo is packaged | 00:43 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: yes, you're right about gating | 00:43 |
| zaneb | sdake: why _is_ that repo packaged? | 00:44 |
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| randallburt | stevebaker: btw, when to we get to start submitting topics for the developers summit? Any ideas? | 00:46 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: I don't think that is open yet | 00:47 |
| randallburt | not that I've seen either | 00:47 |
| stevebaker | oki, lets finish up | 00:47 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 00:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 00:48:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-02-20-00.09.html | 00:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-02-20-00.09.txt | 00:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-02-20-00.09.log.html | 00:48 |
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| sdake | zaneb the repo is packaged because it delivers openshift on openstack and other samples, which people want for Fedora and friends | 01:04 |
| sdake | stevebaker agree on adding to list of projects for security process | 01:05 |
| sdake | stevebaker there was a full audit of the package for RHOS, I can provide you the details if you like | 01:05 |
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| sbalukoff | Howdy folks! | 14:00 |
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| mriedem | russellb: meeting today? | 14:01 |
| russellb | yep! | 14:01 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 14:01:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| russellb | hello! who's around? | 14:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:01 |
| BobBall | Mostly. | 14:02 |
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| llu-laptop | o/ | 14:02 |
| russellb | 2.5 people! | 14:02 |
| russellb | :) | 14:02 |
| mriedem | there were at least 3 others in -nova | 14:02 |
| russellb | ok, usually a load of lurkers too | 14:03 |
| russellb | onward | 14:03 |
| russellb | #topic general | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:03 | |
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| mriedem | ok | 14:11 |
| mriedem | in general, i'm all ears | 14:11 |
| mriedem | did we lose russellb? | 14:11 |
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| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 14:11 |
| russellb | icehouse-3 closing in fast | 14:11 |
| russellb | we've past the deadline for having blueprint code proposed | 14:11 |
| russellb | that was tuesday of this week | 14:11 |
| russellb | feature freeze is march 4 | 14:11 |
| russellb | < 2 weeks away | 14:11 |
| russellb | so we should focus on merging blueprints | 14:11 |
| russellb | any questions on the schedule? | 14:11 |
| russellb | #topic sub-teams | 14:11 |
| russellb | the bot is ignoring me, or we're having some irc troubles ... | 14:11 |
| russellb | is this thing on? | 14:11 |
| * russellb taps on the mic | 14:11 | |
| annegentle | ow my ears | 14:11 |
| annegentle | russellb: I'm seeing topics set and bot stuff | 14:11 |
| russellb | seems i'm back now | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sub-teams (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:11 | |
| mriedem | wow | 14:11 |
| russellb | what's the last thing you saw from me ... | 14:11 |
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| zhangleiqiang | ~ | 14:15 |
| annegentle | russellb: you tapped the mic | 14:15 |
| russellb | heh before that | 14:15 |
| mriedem | russellb: the general topic tag | 14:15 |
| mriedem | but everything just dumped in | 14:15 |
| mriedem | reading scrollback | 14:15 |
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| garyk | hi | 14:15 |
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| garyk | is this the nova meeting? | 14:15 |
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| llu-laptop | yes, already started with the topic #general | 14:15 |
| llu-laptop | though waiting for your guys to fill the silence here | 14:15 |
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| * johnthetubaguy wonders if IRC is acting funny for other people too | 14:15 | |
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| BobBall | There was a netsplit a short while ago | 14:16 |
| BobBall | so probably | 14:16 |
| garyk | i can hear silence | 14:16 |
| BobBall | In fact only 10 minutes ago. | 14:16 |
| * llu-laptop sometimes see IRC messages got jammed | 14:16 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: ah yes, I did wonder | 14:16 |
| * johnthetubaguy raises hand for XenAPI news, but BobBall has all the juicy details | 14:16 | |
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| BobBall | Indeed - but not much point going through it without half the people and possibly without the log bot :) | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | agreed | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, hello | 14:16 |
| BobBall | 14:11 < russellb> what's the last thing you saw from me ... | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | It just dumped into my screen, with taps on the mic | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | and the icehouse-3 closing in fast stuff | 14:16 |
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| * johnthetubaguy raises hand for XenAPI | 14:16 | |
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| BobBall | Looks like IRC isn't back working yet | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I guess not | 14:16 |
| russellb | ah | 14:16 |
| annegentle | topic setting does seem slowwww | 14:16 |
| russellb | yes this is it, we're starting a bit slow, irc troubles | 14:16 |
| russellb | ok well in generall all i had was the release schedule | 14:16 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: yes | 14:16 |
| russellb | big net split i think | 14:16 |
| russellb | #topic https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 14:16 |
| russellb | #undo | 14:16 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 14:16 |
| russellb | so, just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that feature freeze is just under 2 weeks away | 14:16 |
| russellb | and on to sub-teams ... | 14:16 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy and BobBall: go for it | 14:16 |
| mriedem | russellb: you're onto sub-teams now | 14:16 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: let's wait for ack from russellb, i think he's gone again | 14:16 |
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| BobBall | Based on russellb's comments and mriedem's later comments than ours, this is a 3-way split! the most fun kind. | 14:16 |
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| BobBall | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/XenServer_CI | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | wow | 14:16 |
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| BobBall | CI is there, processing changes, and was voting for a short time... | 14:16 |
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| russellb | omg, now i just got a huge flood | 14:16 |
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| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x2e07d50> | 14:16 |
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| BobBall | I've disabled voting now because two things changed - one was a d-g change in how tempest concurrancy was calculated | 14:16 |
| mriedem | are we back? | 14:16 |
| BobBall | but we've worked arund that | 14:16 |
| BobBall | the second was something we're still digging in to | 14:16 |
| BobBall | the result of the second change is that now all tempest full's are failing with different reasons | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: not sure we are, but this bit is quite one way, so lets go for it | 14:17 |
| mriedem | sure | 14:17 |
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| BobBall | So far all of the failures we've investigated have been traced back to existing bugs - but it's useless to report all of the failures yet | 14:17 |
| sdague | internet sneaker chat.... | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: whats the symptom of the second change? | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | sdague lurks... | 14:17 |
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| garyk | anyone out there? | 14:17 |
| mriedem | garyk: yes, xenapi CI status is going on | 14:18 |
| BobBall | The symptom is just that full tempest used to pass now it consistently fails with different bugs which all seem to be races. We think it's highly likely to be a configuration thing - but haven't tracked it down. | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: gotcha, ouch | 14:18 |
| mriedem | consistently racey | 14:18 |
| garyk | BobBall: nice to hear that the CI is up and running | 14:18 |
| BobBall | in different races mriedem :D | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it wasn't so bad yesterday mind | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | funky | 14:19 |
| garyk | minesweeper also has discovered all kinds of races - bugs atcually.. | 14:19 |
| BobBall | We don't seem to be getting lucky and getting through them all :/ | 14:19 |
| mriedem | BobBall: johnthetubaguy: could the known buggy tests be excluded for a time to at least stabilize your CI? | 14:19 |
| sdague | BobBall: so based on the fails that you were seeing, I think if you disable volumes tests, all you'd need to do is sort out the issue with that one image test | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | what sdague said | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, seems like a good path | 14:19 |
| BobBall | That's part of the fun... we're using d-g with tox which doesn't have a way to exclude tests ATM | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | the docker guys were having the same kinds of problems at the meetup last week, high failure rates b/c they were just flooded with fails - they should pair it down and get to a working baseline, then expand | 14:20 |
| sdague | BobBall: you can disable volumes tests with a tempest config variable | 14:20 |
| BobBall | oh brilliant sdague ! | 14:20 |
| BobBall | We'll do that then. | 14:20 |
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| BobBall | and see what falls out | 14:20 |
| mriedem | yeah, start small | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | otherwise it's overwhelming | 14:20 |
| BobBall | matel is also looking at adding a specific exclude list | 14:20 |
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| BobBall | basically discovering all tests then removing some from the list before getting testr to run them | 14:21 |
| BobBall | but disabling volume tests is easy to do | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | BobBall: do you guys use nova-network? | 14:21 |
| BobBall | So I'll do that and we'll see where we get to later today when it's ran a fwe tests. | 14:21 |
| BobBall | yes, nova-network | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: you happy with that plan? any more updates? | 14:22 |
| BobBall | No more updates | 14:22 |
| russellb | very happy to see the progress | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: do you have the capacity you need to drain the queue now? | 14:22 |
| BobBall | Probably john | 14:22 |
| mriedem | other sub-team status? | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: cool, more than you had yesterday at least, thats the main | 14:23 |
| garyk | i have a concern regarding all of the third party CI's - when there is the end of cycle rush - it is going to be intersting to see how it all works. | 14:23 |
| * johnthetubaguy raises scheduler hand if none else | 14:23 | |
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| russellb | johnthetubaguy: sure, update on your fun scheduler? | 14:23 |
| russellb | scheduler optimization at least | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh right, I wasn't going to talk too much about that | 14:24 |
| russellb | oh :) | 14:24 |
| russellb | thought that's why you raised your hand | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways, a little bit of DB caching is going a long way | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | please review that | 14:24 |
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| russellb | heh | 14:24 |
| russellb | yeah, seems doable for icehouse | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | no, was at the meeting yesterday | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | talk about a split | 14:24 |
| russellb | cool | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, I suggested one at least | 14:24 |
| russellb | meeting split? | 14:24 |
| russellb | or? | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | just finding the dam etherpad | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, scheduler split, not meeting split | 14:24 |
| russellb | ah | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler | 14:25 |
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| russellb | yeah, and consensus seems to be that even if we don't think gantt is close to ready, we should leave it in openstack/ and not move to stackforge/ | 14:25 |
| russellb | because moving repos around is a PITA | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah thats cool | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | we would only have to move it again | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, the plan | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | its at the bottom of that etherpad | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, like no-db-compute | 14:26 |
| garyk | russellb: will there be time set aside at the summit to speak about gantt? | 14:26 |
| russellb | plan b? | 14:26 |
| garyk | it seems like a topic on its own | 14:26 |
| russellb | garyk: as a part of the nova schedule | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets separate out obvious bits, then see where we are, basically | 14:26 |
| russellb | a project has to be incubated to get its own time | 14:26 |
| garyk | i think at least one nova session should be devoted to it and then it may split out onto its own track | 14:26 |
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| russellb | yeah when we originally talked about this, i think i was assuming we'd have the conductor bits done | 14:27 |
| garyk | ok, it will be an incubated project. | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: yeah, sorry about that, it sucks | 14:27 |
| russellb | oh no worries | 14:27 |
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| russellb | just a bit of dependency management fail | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it should have been higher priority sooner | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oops | 14:28 |
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| russellb | but all good, on from here | 14:28 |
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| russellb | but the plan does sound reasonable | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we get time, should we push that through? | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | the conductor bits that is | 14:28 |
| russellb | sure, would love to if we can | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thinking RPC cleanup | 14:29 |
| russellb | exactly | 14:29 |
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| russellb | if we do it before release, we can remove all that code once juno opens | 14:29 |
| russellb | otherwise it's stuck until K | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, well its bumped a bit higher in a massive pile of doom | 14:29 |
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| * johnthetubaguy feels he is done typing for now, wonders if we will cover v3 API | 14:30 | |
| russellb | yes, we need to cover that | 14:30 |
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| russellb | maybe in blueprints | 14:30 |
| russellb | want to talk bugs real quick, then to blueprints | 14:30 |
| russellb | #topic bugs | 14:30 |
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| russellb | so, tracy jones has taken the bug czar role now | 14:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, bug sub groups seems to be forming now :) | 14:31 |
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| russellb | she put out a message to openstack-dev trying to get an initial team together | 14:31 |
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| garyk | saldy there are not too many volutneers | 14:31 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027190.html | 14:31 |
| russellb | more now | 14:31 |
| russellb | but more the merrier :-) | 14:31 |
| garyk | nice to hear | 14:31 |
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| russellb | really need a solid group that can devote an hour to this every week | 14:32 |
| russellb | at least an hour is all i ask :-) | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | List is not too tiny right now https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-bug-management | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that seems like a good plan, an hour a week | 14:32 |
| russellb | so, if you're interested, please sign up! | 14:32 |
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| russellb | i'm quite hopeful that this renewed effort will help improve our bug queue | 14:32 |
| * mriedem wishes the ML thread was tagged with [nova], never saw it | 14:33 | |
| russellb | after feature freeze, we'll all switch focus to bugs, so more on bugs in a couple weeks ... | 14:33 |
| russellb | #topic blueprints | 14:33 |
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| russellb | and speaking of czars, we have a blueprint czar! | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-icehouse-blueprint-cull | 14:33 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: <--- \o/ | 14:33 |
| mriedem | russellb: i did have a bugs topic in the agenda, we can do in open discussion | 14:33 |
| russellb | mriedem: ah sorry | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | let's come back to it | 14:34 |
| mriedem | later i mean :) | 14:34 |
| garyk | i am not sure how anmial rights groups are going to deal with the cull | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | so lots of shifting blueprints into Juno, those without all their patches up | 14:34 |
| russellb | and i probably didn't do a great job of recording all the changes i made on the etherpad, sorry | 14:34 |
| garyk | the deadline for code in review was the 18th. is that correct? | 14:34 |
| russellb | garyk: correct | 14:35 |
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| russellb | so, v3 blueprints ... | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: yeah, hey ho, me neither | 14:35 |
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| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027588.html | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we have two | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I mean, to | 14:36 |
| russellb | there are a bunch of v3 blueprints, what should we do with them? | 14:36 |
| russellb | we previously had them prioritized up to Medium | 14:36 |
| russellb | but given the post above, i dropped them to Low | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, low for sure | 14:36 |
| mriedem | +1 | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | I wonder about defer to juno though | 14:36 |
| russellb | should we leave them and just let whatever happens to merge get in? | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, duno, to be honest | 14:36 |
| russellb | or actively defer things, even like this, to help focus on a smaller set? | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | we could do with a bit more review bandwidth for the other stuff | 14:37 |
| russellb | yeah, that's what i'm worried about | 14:37 |
| sdague | well, I was wondering about the meta issue. Because it seems like we should figure out if we're still going ahead on the v3 front as planned | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its tempting, feels bad not asking Chris though | 14:37 |
| russellb | yeah, should definitely talk to him | 14:37 |
| russellb | bummer he's not here | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I think its a question of how to maintain v2 | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, stupid timezones | 14:37 |
| sdague | and if not, I really wonder about any review time on it. That also includes the api validation bits | 14:37 |
| russellb | i haven't had a chance to read your post sdague , sorry | 14:38 |
| sdague | because there are a bunch of other things that are only happening on v3 | 14:38 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: 'how to maintain v2' is the same topic as my bug item... | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh IRC just broke again :( | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: its a big fella | 14:38 |
| sdague | yeh, silly irc | 14:38 |
| russellb | really messing up our meeting today | 14:38 |
| russellb | ok, so let's see if there's anything else for today, and if not, we can use the rest of the time on the API topic | 14:39 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: any other thoughts on blueprints? | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, not much really... | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | please keep them up to date, I guess | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I will try keep people honest on that, once we get the list down | 14:39 |
| mriedem | i had a general discussion item | 14:39 |
| russellb | and we should try to put more review focus on the targeted blueprints that have all code up | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I might start un-approving things too, that are stale | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | etc | 14:39 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 14:40 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: that's a good idea | 14:40 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: i found some that had code, but have been abandoned for 1 or 2 months ... just deferred | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I will try get a list together for the patches too, just one tiny error | 14:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | russellb: likewise, I will try clean that up | 14:40 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: really appreciate the help, it's no small pile of work | 14:40 |
| russellb | cheers for our blueprint czar! :-) | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am seeing how much time it takes, no worries | 14:40 |
| mriedem | furry hats for everyone! | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, that all for now | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | hehe | 14:41 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 14:41 |
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| russellb | mriedem: what's up | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWucPckXbIw&feature=kp | 14:41 |
| mriedem | i was just going to bring up jog0's post last night about an oslo sync tema | 14:41 |
| mriedem | *team | 14:41 |
| mriedem | he's not here i don't think though | 14:41 |
| mriedem | was wondering what the feelings are on that | 14:41 |
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| mriedem | since oslo sync seems to be a contentious issue | 14:41 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027631.html | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I don't like the risk right now, we should do it when Juno opens for sure | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | but maybe we should take the hit anyway, it could fix things | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a nice fence I am on here | 14:42 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah, i think jog0 would say we want to sync before icehouse closes to get any bug fixes | 14:42 |
| * russellb joins johnthetubaguy on the fence | 14:42 | |
| mriedem | but yeah, i see both ways | 14:42 |
| mriedem | make room | 14:42 |
| sdague | honestly, if we think we have enough time to catch fallout, I'd say damn the torpedos on this one | 14:43 |
| mriedem | at a high level, it seems to be "well if we exclude this and this and this module, auto-sync should be fine" | 14:43 |
| sdague | because we've definitely run into bugs in the past where were entirely because olso was old | 14:43 |
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| ndipanov | sync, this is the best time to do it I'd say | 14:43 |
| russellb | so basically the assertion is that ad-hoc syncs aren't good enough, and someone should just take ownership of it? | 14:43 |
| russellb | i at least agree that sure, we should sync | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets just sync the lot, and if the gate breaks, revert it? | 14:43 |
| russellb | +1 :) | 14:44 |
| sdague | :) | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: by Juno-1 we should be in sync | 14:44 |
| ndipanov | yeah revers are easy no one touches that code except syncs | 14:44 |
| ndipanov | +1 | 14:44 |
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| mriedem | well, and jog0 is doing a full sync on cinder as a POC | 14:44 |
| mriedem | so he'll probably learn what to trim out there first | 14:44 |
| russellb | oslo folks also seem to be working hard on splitting that code out into libs now | 14:44 |
| mriedem | yeah, that's nice, still some bumps to iron out there | 14:45 |
| russellb | they have a big dependency tree between the stuff in there and are working out from the leaves | 14:45 |
| mriedem | yup | 14:45 |
| mriedem | log_handler | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, there is a thought... | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we should sync before icehouse ends, else its gona make upgrade hard | 14:45 |
| russellb | but there's still the icehouse question | 14:45 |
| russellb | i'm all for syncing for icehouse | 14:45 |
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| russellb | and regarding his idea, having someone take ownership of making sure we stay up to date, sure | 14:46 |
| sdague | +1 | 14:46 |
| russellb | seems fine | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | seriously, lets just see if it breaks the gate or not, then see were we are | 14:46 |
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| mriedem | i'm sure jog0 will be happy to hear this | 14:46 |
| russellb | heh, k :) | 14:46 |
| russellb | so we can catch up more later in -nova when he's up | 14:47 |
| russellb | so, on to the API stuff? | 14:47 |
| mriedem | sure | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:47 |
| russellb | "now what" | 14:47 |
| mriedem | so my topic... | 14:47 |
| mriedem | we have two bugs for v2 regarding neutron, | 14:47 |
| mriedem | one for the quotas extension and one for the limits extension, | 14:47 |
| mriedem | both have patches, in one we proxy to neutron (limits), in the other (proposed last night) we don't | 14:48 |
| mriedem | but both are needed to make the tests work in tempest | 14:48 |
| mriedem | so if we're going to live with v2 for awhile, and support neutron, do we proxy or not? | 14:48 |
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| russellb | wellllll | 14:48 |
| mriedem | v3 doesn't proxy, which is fine, but this hodge podge in v2 kind of sucks | 14:48 |
| russellb | my general feeling is proxying sucks | 14:48 |
| mriedem | at least regarding anything to do with security groups and floating IPs | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | depends if info_cache gets updated I guess? | 14:48 |
| russellb | for end user facing APIs, i think we have to, for compatibility | 14:49 |
| russellb | for admin APIs, i'm less concerned | 14:49 |
| sdague | right, but v2 is all about the proxy. We have proxy API for images, volumes, and network | 14:49 |
| mriedem | russellb: that was my feeling | 14:49 |
| russellb | sdague: right | 14:49 |
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| mriedem | also note that the limits api change is ready | 14:49 |
| russellb | so, i wonder if we should draw the line between cloud user or admin | 14:49 |
| mriedem | i've already tested it with tempest | 14:49 |
| russellb | quotas? meh, | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | but users list their own quotas, or does it not do that? | 14:49 |
| russellb | oh, you're right | 14:50 |
| mriedem | in this case i see limits and quotas as being tied together | 14:50 |
| mriedem | so if you are going to proxy for one i'd assume (as a user) that you will for the other also | 14:50 |
| russellb | limits and quotas sure sound the same don't they. | 14:50 |
| mriedem | well, and you find out here how they are tied together: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74839/ | 14:50 |
| mriedem | and the ugly hack if they aren't | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, whats the question again? | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | should we proxy for neutron? | 14:51 |
| mriedem | the question is for these two bugs for the APIs, do we proxy to neutron or not, yeah | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | its consistent at least | 14:51 |
| mriedem | also note that in havana, the v2 limits API bug was marked high | 14:51 |
| russellb | i suppose the default answer is always "proxy, or whatever we have to do, to keep APIs working, when reasonable to do so" | 14:51 |
| russellb | so proxy, unless we have a good excuse not to support it | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: +1 but nothing in v3, whatever that is | 14:52 |
| mriedem | ok, agreed | 14:52 |
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| russellb | yeah, all of that for v2 specifically | 14:52 |
| mriedem | i wanted to bring this up specifically for the quotas patch since i -1'ed it for inconsistency | 14:52 |
| russellb | thanks :) | 14:52 |
| mriedem | that's it for me | 14:53 |
| russellb | so sdague, i guess you were bringing up http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027688.html | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, so general v3 stuff? | 14:53 |
| sdague | russellb: yeh | 14:53 |
| sdague | because with the idea that v2 is around for a while, I think we need to reassess the gameplan for the nova API | 14:54 |
| russellb | agree. | 14:54 |
| sdague | with a goal of 1 API with 1 data format in L (or worst case M) | 14:54 |
| sdague | and how do we get there | 14:54 |
| russellb | so you've jumped right to some really hard questions i was a bit afraid to ask (yet at least), heh | 14:54 |
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| sdague | well just call me an instigator :) | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | I kinda thing we don't like the current format | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I like the idea to move to a slightly updated one | 14:55 |
| russellb | yeah, it hasn't gone how anyone really expected | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | if only to add in the tasks support | 14:55 |
| russellb | so tasks ... could we do tasks in v2? | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, through headers and stuff, but it sucks | 14:56 |
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| russellb | does it suck more than 2 APIs? | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | fair point | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | probably not | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | the inconsistencies in v3 would be nice to remove | 14:56 |
| russellb | not trying to imply an answer, just asking, it's what we have to figure out | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | if only by some filter that accepts both | 14:56 |
| sdague | we also said we don't like proxy APIs, but if we are talking about v2 largely forever, we need a mechanism to deprecate and remove those | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | that would really reduce the testing though? | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | we could unit test that stuff, and leave tempest on the new one | 14:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the return values are harder right | 14:57 |
| russellb | the more I think about what major API revs mean, the more I think it should be a fundamental do-over almost | 14:57 |
| sdague | because the internals on v2 are way more gross and fragile than 3 | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | and deprecating XML is harder | 14:57 |
| russellb | on internals, can we backport internals improvements to v2? | 14:57 |
| sdague | russellb: it's not so much a backport as a gut | 14:58 |
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| russellb | re-do the internals improvements on v2 :-/ | 14:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | possibly, but versioning extensions, we could add that at some point I guess | 14:58 |
| russellb | not sure why we couldn't | 14:58 |
| sdague | it's all just time and motivation | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | its only the XML clients, and well... | 14:59 |
| sdague | and I think a big piece is first agreeing where we are headed | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess we are out of time | 14:59 |
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| russellb | let's continue on the ML | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 14:59 |
| sdague | because 1 API with 1 data format I think is an important thing to see if we agree on | 14:59 |
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| sdague | agreed, we can take to the ML | 15:00 |
| russellb | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
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| russellb | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 15:00:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-02-20-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-02-20-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-02-20-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 15:01:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello folks | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| scottda | Hi | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| yportnova | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
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| gregsfortytwo1 | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | I don't suppose we have csaba? He added some items to our agenda | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | ah there he is | 15:02 |
| bswartz | okay a few quick things | 15:02 |
| csaba | hi | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | as many of you know -- the #openstack-manila channel has been unregistered for a long time because I failed to register it when I should have | 15:03 |
| bswartz | we're finally getting that fixed | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | hopefully within the next week it will be registered and we can get gerritbot in there | 15:03 |
| achirko | hello | 15:03 |
| aostapenko | hi | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | um, and I can't think of the other thing | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I'm sure it will come to me if we just get started | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | let's get an update from csaba first | 15:04 |
| csaba | hi | 15:05 |
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| csaba | so there are some issues with the image build process | 15:05 |
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| csaba | as pointed out by vponomaryov | 15:05 |
| csaba | https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros/issues | 15:05 |
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| csaba | I have those fixed | 15:06 |
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| csaba | (pushing them in a moment) | 15:06 |
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| csaba | so the image should build now with proper nfs support | 15:06 |
| csaba | what does not work: proper initialization of services | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | what init system does cirros use? | 15:07 |
| csaba | ie. injecting nfsd + smbd to cirros' init system | 15:07 |
| bswartz | is it SysV-based? | 15:07 |
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| csaba | I haven't yet figured out fully | 15:07 |
| csaba | it has cloud-init | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | cloudinit is just a tool | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | I'm talking about /sbin/init | 15:08 |
| bswartz | aka PID 1 | 15:08 |
| csaba | yep | 15:09 |
| csaba | /sbin/init -> /bin/busybox | 15:09 |
| bswartz | busybox implements a SysV variant | 15:09 |
| bswartz | do you need help getting the services added? | 15:10 |
| csaba | yes I think it will be good for us | 15:10 |
| csaba | I think I can manage | 15:10 |
| csaba | just so far I was busy with the build process | 15:10 |
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| csaba | I'm also to publish pre-made images | 15:11 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:11 |
| bswartz | cool | 15:11 |
| bswartz | how big are your images compared to cirros? | 15:11 |
| csaba | will be available under | 15:11 |
| csaba | #link http://people.redhat.com/chenk/cirros | 15:11 |
| csaba | around 75M qcow2 | 15:12 |
| csaba | 180M rootfs | 15:12 |
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| vponomaryov | Also, there is one another problem with cirros | 15:13 |
| csaba | we will finish generic driver deployment and at that point we'll be able to provide images that we can confirm to work | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | if we use ssh and inline command | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | for cirros, we get command not found, that is ok without ssh. It is the way generic driver uses | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: I don't get it | 15:14 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: do you have an example? | 15:14 |
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| aostapenko | PATH variable in new ssh connection is not set up | 15:14 |
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| vponomaryov | ssh cirros@hostname sudo ls - inline exection | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | so can we do ssh cirros@hostname sudo /usr/bin/ls ? | 15:15 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: don't remember exactly | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay it doesn't seem like a huge issue | 15:16 |
| bswartz | we can sort out the PATH stuff I'm sure | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: what do you have for dev status | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:17 |
| csaba | works4me | 15:17 |
| csaba | sorry | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Generic driver's modularity: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74154/ | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | 2) Volume types: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74772/ (client) | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Horizon's manila extension, Work in progress, no code in repos yet. | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | 4) Activation/deactivation api: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/share-network-activation-api | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | (server) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71936/ | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | (client) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71497/ | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | TODO: | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Implement volume types server side | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Make drivers use activation/deactivation API | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Finish Horizon extension for Manila | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | 4) review generic driver's modularity | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | OPEN ITEMS: | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Which repo should be used for storing extended Horizon? | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | 2) lightweight image for generic driver | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | 3) update devstack plugin for using generic driver | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | dependencies: lightweight image, and reliable storage for it. Drivers with activation api for share-networks. | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | oh that's a good point | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | Thats all from me | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | well we can always use personal github repos for the initial development | 15:21 |
| navneet | m not able to see updates on irc | 15:21 |
| navneet | u guys fcing same issue | 15:21 |
| bswartz | that's what we did for manila before stackforge let us in after all | 15:21 |
| bswartz | navneet: no | 15:21 |
| navneet | ok | 15:22 |
| bswartz | actually I have a better idea | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | I can create a NetApp fork of horizon and grant access | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I think I can at any rate | 15:22 |
| bswartz | #action bswartz create a NetApp fork of Horizon | 15:22 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: 2) lightweight image for generic driver | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: Ok, I am using your repo for tempest now, IMO, for Horizon will be ok too | 15:23 |
| bswartz | ^ is this addressed? | 15:23 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: lightweight image is not finished, so, it is open item | 15:23 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: okay but it there anything to discuss today? | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | hm | 15:24 |
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| vponomaryov | nothing special | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | would like to this review for generic drivers modularity | 15:25 |
| bswartz | okay I feel like we covered the details well enough above | 15:25 |
| aostapenko | I'd like to ask guys to talk about modularity | 15:25 |
| rraja | aostapenko: thanks! the modularization design makes sense. so any new driver, which wants to implement network-plumbing based multi-tenancy, can make use of the service_instance module. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | yeah it's on the agent | 15:25 |
| bswartz | agenda* | 15:25 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: 3) update devstack plugin for using generic driver | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I have one proposal, make lvm driver as plugin for generic driver, as cinder, etc | 15:25 |
| bswartz | this should be pretty easy right? | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: right, need only dependencies for it | 15:26 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: what do you mean by your proposal? | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | now we have gingle-tenant lvm driver | 15:26 |
| bswartz | would the LVM driver replace the role of cinder in that case? | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | it can be changed to use generic-driver's service Vm module | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: not replace, be one from several | 15:27 |
| bswartz | right I mean, if it was used, then cinder would not be used | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | I mean, with generic driver's modularity, it can become multitenant | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | it's an interesting idea | 15:29 |
| bswartz | it doesn't feel high priority to me | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I'd like to know what the benefits are compared to the approach we're taking now | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | agree, not high priority | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | alright | 15:30 |
| bswartz | anything else for dev status? | 15:30 |
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| vponomaryov | No | 15:30 |
| bswartz | esker reminded me of another important topic | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | #topic Atalana Summit | 15:30 |
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| esker | thanks | 15:31 |
| esker | Two Manila conference sessions planned: | 15:31 |
| esker | https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/welcome-to-manila-the-openstack-file-share-service | 15:31 |
| esker | https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/manila-the-openstack-file-share-service-technology-deep-dive | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | please vote for these sessions! | 15:31 |
| bswartz | and get you collegues to vote too | 15:31 |
| bswartz | this will help with manila's publicity a lot I think | 15:32 |
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| esker | Note that in the latter we want to show demos. NetApp will show ours... EMC contacted us about showing theirs... and we'd like to get Red Hat and IBM involved as well. | 15:32 |
| esker | If anyone else has something WIP that I'm unaware of... please chime in. | 15:32 |
| esker | Not trying to exclude anyone. | 15:32 |
| bswartz | yes as I mentioned before we want to demo working code -- including as many drivers as we can | 15:32 |
| esker | Will be short demos... pre-recorded to ensure outcome ;-) | 15:33 |
| esker | The Horizon work is important in this respect as well. | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | esker: what, you don't like BSOD while you're on stage? | 15:33 |
| esker | Would like to get folks from the various companies mentioned onstage to show their stuff. | 15:33 |
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| esker | Not a NetApp session alone... a Manila session. | 15:34 |
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| esker | Again, if I've overlooked someone w/ a Manila backend underway... please let me know. We'd like to include you too. | 15:34 |
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| vbellur | esker: good idea ;) | 15:35 |
| esker | I used to work for a certain very mercurial, very cantankerous fellow that was in the business of regularly demoing to very large audiences... have had enough BSOD like experiences for one lifetime. | 15:35 |
| bswartz | heh | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | okay next topic | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #topic Discussion on service VM role for generic driver and other (hypothetic) multitenant drivers | 15:36 |
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| esker | So to summarize... please vote... get your peers to vote. And let's coordinate on the sessions | 15:36 |
| bswartz | nice long topic csaba | 15:36 |
| csaba | yes :) | 15:36 |
| esker | BTW, Mirantis... we'd like to get you involved on stage as well... | 15:37 |
| xyang1 | esker: looking forward to it | 15:37 |
| csaba | so we are still just out of the mental process of understanding how the generic driver's network plumbing looks | 15:37 |
| csaba | as a side product we created a diagram | 15:38 |
| bswartz | csaba: I have bad news for you there | 15:38 |
| csaba | oh? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | csaba: we're looking at changing that again | 15:38 |
| csaba | no problem | 15:38 |
| esker | bswartz: this attributed to the IPspaces thing? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | it may be possible to get the router out of the picture and go to model where the service-vm is directly on the tenant subnet | 15:38 |
| bswartz | esker: no this is regarding the generic driver | 15:38 |
| csaba | just want to make sure our understanding of the state of the art | 15:38 |
| esker | thx | 15:39 |
| csaba | #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1R-ycE52ukV8XpK2MmKhkBO--QJRhygCU3rJZs0Zl3Kg/edit | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | esker: the ipspaces thing is just a limitaiton on the netapp driver | 15:39 |
| bswartz | csaba: nice picture! | 15:40 |
| csaba | our question is, if this is correct -- why exacly we need the service VM-s? | 15:40 |
| csaba | I mean tenant isolation is given by network plumbing | 15:40 |
| bswartz | csaba: maybe I misunderstand the question but, where else would NFSD run? | 15:40 |
| csaba | on hypervisor | 15:40 |
| bswartz | csaba: ah | 15:41 |
| csaba | what's wrong with that? | 15:41 |
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| csaba | like this | 15:41 |
| bswartz | so the problem with that is what if the tenant uses Kerberos? | 15:41 |
| csaba | #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/17R9I-PepdvoiXptBc8diHpqUHprSi8GDrVpzKwec-PI/edit | 15:41 |
| csaba | certainly strong security is needed for a central nfs server | 15:41 |
| aostapenko | csaba: Almost, routers do not belong to service tenant. But this architecture will be changed | 15:41 |
| bswartz | each tenant could be on a separate kerberos domain | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I'm not aware of an NFSD that can participate in multiple kerberos domains at the same time | 15:42 |
| csaba | bswartz: yes | 15:42 |
| csaba | ah | 15:42 |
| csaba | so that's why you need per-tenant nfsd?\ | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | yes that's been the thinking so far | 15:42 |
| bswartz | each service VM has it's own DNS, it's own LDAP, it's own Kerberos -- all specified by the tenant | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | you need some form of containers/virtualization to run multiple NFSDs with all of those things different for each one | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | Linux doesn't support per-process DNS servers AFAIK either | 15:44 |
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| csaba | that was then the thing I missed.. I thought they are configured by the framwork | 15:44 |
| csaba | I see | 15:45 |
| bswartz | yeah I think virtualization is essential for some of this security stuff | 15:45 |
| bill_az__ | for first diagram, there is one service vm per tenant, regardless of how many hv/compute nodes are in the configuration, right? | 15:45 |
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| gregsfortytwo1 | sure would be nice if we weren't bottlenecking each tenant's fileshares to a single ethernet link though, wouldn't it *sigh* | 15:45 |
| bswartz | bill_az__: that's my understanding | 15:45 |
| csaba | bill_az__: it's of course a simplified figure | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | bill_az__Ж щту ыукмшсу МЬ ащк уфср ырфку-туецщкл | 15:45 |
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| vponomaryov | bill_az__: one service Vm for each shre-network | 15:46 |
| csaba | or of a simplistic case | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | it will scheduled by nova | 15:46 |
| bill_az__ | ok - thats what I was thinking - wanted to be sure we're all on the same page | 15:46 |
| bswartz | gregsfortytwo1: yes the VM does become a bottleneck for share traffic | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | gregsfortytwo1: however it doesn't have to be 1 ethernet link | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | the admin could arrange for share VMs to go on a server with quad-bonded-10GbE | 15:47 |
| bswartz | using nova flavors | 15:47 |
| esker | bswartz: does this design allow for a potential future enhancement wherein a share might need be established across multiple tenants? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | esker: NO! | 15:48 |
| bswartz | shares across tenants are a big no-no in the current design | 15:48 |
| esker | So how might that be accommodated? | 15:48 |
| esker | concerned about a design that prevents that in the future | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it can be shared, if network shared | 15:49 |
| bswartz | esker: the tenants would have to work that out between themselves | 15:49 |
| bswartz | if they arrange for a network route between them then the share data could flow along that route | 15:49 |
| bswartz | but the share would always be owned by 1 tenant | 15:49 |
| esker | I would think that the tenants would want Manilla to work that out for them | 15:49 |
| esker | sorry... Manila | 15:49 |
| esker | Okay, that's fair | 15:50 |
| bswartz | esker: it's too hard of a problem to solve in the general case, which is why we've punted | 15:50 |
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| esker | one tenant will have to own a given share... but could that tenant elect to make it available to others? Does this design prevent that? | 15:50 |
| bswartz | it's just a matter of network connectivity | 15:50 |
| esker | Punting is okay for this... but concerned about a design that doesn't allow for it in the future | 15:50 |
| bswartz | I guess there is one thing to consider | 15:50 |
| bswartz | which is manila's access control scheme at the IP level | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | we just need to make sure that manila doesn't attempt to limit access requests from IPs that don't belong to the owning tenant | 15:51 |
| bswartz | then again manila doesn't really know what those are anyways so it's not an issue | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | we have to trust that if the owning tenant wishes to grant access to an IP that they know what they're doing | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | esker: Only one tenant sets exports, if network connectivity is present, it can be shared | 15:52 |
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| gregsfortytwo1 | and doing anything else would require some kind of shared admin authority between the tenants, and nobody wants to do that | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | gregsfortytwo1: +1million | 15:53 |
| bswartz | okay I think that's settled | 15:53 |
| bswartz | just one more thing though | 15:54 |
| esker | Right... fair enough. Of course a single given tenant will have to have sole administrative authority... main concern is provision within Manila's design to allow for sharing to other tenant networks. | 15:54 |
| bswartz | csaba: there would be special cases where the nfsd could be run on the hypervisor, as long as the security rules were lax enough that that wouldn't case problems | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | csaba: I would consider that an optimization though, not a core use case | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | we've got 5 minutes left | 15:55 |
| bswartz | anything else for today? | 15:55 |
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| gregsfortytwo1 | I think csaba is worried about what happens when you get a tenant with 100 VMs trying to share data via a Manila share…think something like Hadoop | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | I know it's not the most performance optimized design | 15:56 |
| bswartz | I'm not fully versed with hadoop but I thought it was a really bad idea to use shared filesystems with it | 15:57 |
| bswartz | hadoop is all about bringing the compute close to where the data is | 15:57 |
| gregsfortytwo1 | yeah, but there's a lot of data-intensive stuff like that | 15:57 |
| bswartz | virtualzation schemes like openstack make that impossible or at least really difficuylt | 15:57 |
| gregsfortytwo1 | and hadoop-on-ec2 is pretty popular as I understand it | 15:57 |
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| gregsfortytwo1 | though that might be mostly using ephemeral storage | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | that's interesting | 15:58 |
| bswartz | I still think hadoop on bare metal would crush the performance of that -- as long as you're okay spending capex funds for hadoop rather than opex funds | 15:58 |
| bswartz | but that's a big digression | 15:59 |
| bswartz | we won't go there | 15:59 |
| bswartz | I'll just post the links one more time | 15:59 |
| bswartz | https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/welcome-to-manila-the-openstack-file-share-service | 15:59 |
| bswartz | https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/manila-the-openstack-file-share-service-technology-deep-dive | 15:59 |
| bswartz | don't forget to vote | 15:59 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:59 |
| aostapenko | thanks | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:59 |
| aostapenko | bye | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| achirko | bye | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 16:00:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-02-20-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-02-20-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-02-20-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | savanna folks, ping | 18:02 |
| bob_nettleton | I'm here. | 18:03 |
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| sreshetnyak | here | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting savanna | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 18:03:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| jspeidel | here | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'savanna' | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey folks | 18:03 |
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| alazarev | o/ | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | let's wait for several more mins | 18:03 |
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| dmitryme | I am here too | 18:04 |
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| tmckay | I'm here | 18:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | Hi, everyone | 18:04 |
| aignatov | o/ | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, mattf | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SavannaAgenda | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:06 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, mattf asked me to give his regrets, he may not make it | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's start from the short news/updates section | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ok, thx for info | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folsk, please, your updates | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info Savanna and it's client are now gated together | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info We have now simple CLI tests in Tempest that are gated for Savanna and client | 18:07 |
| aignatov | this week I've updated savanna resource for heat and some bug fixes also | 18:07 |
| tmckay | EDP is stable, nothing more for icehouse accept bugs, maybe some doc updates, and I have a mapreduce streaming example to add to savanna-extra | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll send an email to ML with explanation of what does it mean and how it works | 18:07 |
| aignatov | nothing specific | 18:07 |
| bob_nettleton | I've uploaded Patch #4 for the HDP work in savanna-image-elements, and awaiting reviews/feedback. | 18:08 |
| aignatov | from me | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info client docs moved to client | 18:08 |
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| sreshetnyak | i worked on hadoop 2 | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info we're going to support Hadoop 2 in all plugins for Icehouse | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | that's awesome IMO | 18:09 |
| alazarev | I've changed plugin SPI, this will allow EDP to work without assumptions | 18:09 |
| jspeidel | HDP 2.0 support was merged | 18:09 |
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| ruhe | hi! | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info HDP 2.0 support was merged | 18:09 |
| alazarev | and returned to IDH 3.0.2, it is nearly done | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, will it install ephemeral Hadoop 3 ? :) | 18:09 |
| ErikB | Working on a minor doc update. | 18:10 |
| aignatov | we need to closer look from all of us to Hadoop 2 related patches and integration of it with all savanna ecosystem | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, great, I like doc updates ;) | 18:10 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: Intel believes that hadoop 2 with patches from Intel is great enough to be called 3.0 | 18:11 |
| NikitaKonovalov | wsme models are still in wip, since I was busy with another project | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ylobankov, any CI news? | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :( | 18:12 |
| aignatov | It seems Yaroslav is not here, he updated tests with cinder checks | 18:12 |
| alazarev | aignatov: agree, a lot of common code | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | themistymay, is working on final stage of removing obsolete swift-internals from our repos | 18:13 |
| aignatov | and he is working on tempest tests afair | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, yup, he already pushed 2 commits to tempest for review | 18:13 |
| themistymay | I am giving it my best shot, still learning | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | with API tests | 18:13 |
| ruhe | Yaroslav is always working on something great and useful | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I'm working on finalizing my scenarios basics | 18:14 |
| aignatov | ruhe: yes, exactly! :) | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, agreed ;) | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other news/updates? | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic icehouse-3 | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://launchpad.net/savanna/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 18:15 |
| aignatov | looks good | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info code freeze - Mar 4 | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup, overall status is ok | 18:16 |
| themistymay | good to know | 18:16 |
| ruhe | SergeyLukjanov: i'd like to reserve 2 minutes to speak about Savanna docs | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | additionally, Mar 4 is FeatureFreeze and StringFreeze | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, ok | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureFreeze | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StringFreeze | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, looks like we're going to write some FFEs to land all Hadoop 2 related commits | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | maybe not, anyway, it looks like we're on track | 18:17 |
| jspeidel | FFE? | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | feature freeze exception | 18:18 |
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| jspeidel | ah, thx | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | master will open only for bug fixes and commits covered by FFEs till the first rc1 | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it'll be ~ Mar 27 | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and then Icehouse dev will be moved to the milestone-proposal branch | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and master will be open for Juni dev | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Juno* | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | April 17 is Icehouse release | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, I've already covered the next topic "After i3" | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Project naming collision | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's the main topic for us now :) | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we have voting results | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let me find the link | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?num_winners=10&id=E_5dd4f18fde38ce8e&algorithm=beatpath | 18:21 |
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| tmckay | stackadoop, please, I was kidding. Don't vote for it. :-D | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've contacted foundation and they are ready to verify 5 options | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, probably we should discuss some and filter them out | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, agreed ;) | 18:22 |
| dmitryme | Sergey: can we set up another voting and pick 5 best? | 18:22 |
| aignatov | I'm ok to send current top5 to the lawyers | 18:23 |
| dmitryme | it can be a very short voting, if it is needed | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startvote Remove 'stackadoop' from candidates for new Savanna name? yes, no, abstain | 18:23 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Remove 'stackadoop' from candidates for new Savanna name? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 18:23 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, we already have it - http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?num_winners=5&id=E_5dd4f18fde38ce8e&algorithm=beatpath | 18:23 |
| aignatov | #vote yes | 18:23 |
| themistymay | #vote yes | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote yes | 18:23 |
| ruhe | #vote yes | 18:23 |
| jspeidel | #vote yes | 18:23 |
| sreshetnyak | #vote yes | 18:24 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #vote yes | 18:24 |
| dmitryme | ok, ok | 18:24 |
| bob_nettleton | #vote yes | 18:24 |
| alazarev | #vote yes | 18:24 |
| dmitryme | #vote yes | 18:24 |
| aignatov | tmckay: says: "Noooooo! I was kidding that I was kidding" :) | 18:24 |
| tmckay | #vote yes | 18:24 |
| tmckay | hehe | 18:24 |
| themistymay | haha! | 18:24 |
| dmitryme | lol :-) | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endvote | 18:25 |
| openstack | Voted on "Remove 'stackadoop' from candidates for new Savanna name?" Results are | 18:25 |
| openstack | yes (11): bob_nettleton, aignatov, ruhe, dmitryme, jspeidel, NikitaKonovalov, tmckay, themistymay, SergeyLukjanov, alazarev, sreshetnyak | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | awesome results!! | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | personally, I don't like Caravan :( | 18:27 |
| tmckay | but it sounds like "savanna" | 18:27 |
| aignatov | tmckay: agree | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh | 18:27 |
| dmitryme | Sergey: me too | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably I have some problems with years! | 18:27 |
| themistymay | it does? | 18:27 |
| alazarev | it looks current top5 beats 6+ places with a big gap | 18:28 |
| tmckay | "internal rhyme" | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I don't understand how savanna and caravan could sounds same | 18:28 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, themistymay, common vowel and consonant sounds | 18:28 |
| tmckay | a, v, a, n | 18:28 |
| aignatov | it sounds the same in both languages and sounds as you hear it | 18:28 |
| alazarev | so, we are safe to submit current top5 to lawyers | 18:28 |
| themistymay | tmckay, sold | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, yup, that's it | 18:29 |
| tmckay | :) | 18:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startvote Send top 5 options to foundation for verification (Gravity, Sahara, Quazar, Stellar, Caravan)? yes, no, abstain, please_send_savanna_just_to_try | 18:29 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Send top 5 options to foundation for verification (Gravity, Sahara, Quazar, Stellar, Caravan)? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain, please_send_savanna_just_to_try. | 18:29 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:29 |
| tmckay | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| ruhe | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| alazarev | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| sreshetnyak | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| themistymay | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| aignatov | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| dmitryme | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| jspeidel | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| ErikB | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| bob_nettleton | #vote yes | 18:30 |
| aignatov | #vote please_send_savanna_just_to_try | 18:30 |
| aignatov | xD | 18:31 |
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| tmckay | shravannnahhh | 18:31 |
| tmckay | should be diffrerent enough | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, the funny thing is that all of the 5 options have potential trademark issues | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (facepalm) | 18:31 |
| themistymay | tmckay, vote yes | 18:31 |
| dmitryme | tmckay: are you going to advert "shravannnahhh" verbally? | 18:32 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: ok, let's name it Stackadoop | 18:32 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, well, if all 5 are rejected for TM then we can cycle back to 6+, true? | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, just google for Stackadoos | 18:32 |
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| tmckay | dmitryme, I don't know how :-D | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, sure | 18:32 |
| alazarev | tmckay: where you were before? shavanna could be an answer :) | 18:32 |
| tmckay | lol | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, my option, Fusor have no trademark issues :) | 18:33 |
| tmckay | I was too busy thinking of stackadoop | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endvote | 18:33 |
| openstack | Voted on "Send top 5 options to foundation for verification (Gravity, Sahara, Quazar, Stellar, Caravan)?" Results are | 18:33 |
| dmitryme | tmckay: I think that is my point :-) | 18:33 |
| openstack | yes (11): bob_nettleton, ruhe, dmitryme, jspeidel, NikitaKonovalov, tmckay, themistymay, ErikB, SergeyLukjanov, alazarev, sreshetnyak | 18:33 |
| openstack | please_send_savanna_just_to_try (1): aignatov | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | great | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, when we'll have a list of verified names | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and if len will be >-2 | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | >=2 | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | should we vote for them again? | 18:34 |
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| tmckay | yes | 18:34 |
| dmitryme | yes | 18:34 |
| aignatov | yes | 18:34 |
| aignatov | lets vote for it | 18:35 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: I think so, ranging of 10+ variants is not relevant | 18:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startvote Should we have a final voting to choose new name from the list of verified options? yes, no, abstain, just_quasar | 18:36 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we have a final voting to choose new name from the list of verified options? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain, just_quasar. | 18:36 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote yes | 18:36 |
| ErikB | #vote yes | 18:36 |
| sreshetnyak | #vote yes | 18:36 |
| jspeidel | #vote yes | 18:36 |
| bob_nettleton | #vote yes | 18:36 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: it was a joke from about votes for votes ;) | 18:36 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #vote yes | 18:36 |
| aignatov | #vote yes | 18:37 |
| themistymay | #vote yes | 18:37 |
| tmckay | #vote yes | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, I'm very sad about renaming, so, hope that jokes will help us | 18:37 |
| tmckay | we can still keep our irc channel, as a remembrance | 18:37 |
| aignatov | btw, Stackadoos are the funny toys! :) | 18:37 |
| alazarev | #vote yes | 18:38 |
| ruhe | #vote yes | 18:38 |
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| dmitryme | #vote yes | 18:39 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, oh, my *********, we should rename even channels.... | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ;( | 18:39 |
| tmckay | "the project formerly known as savanna" | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ex. Savanna | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | now Stellar | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh:) | 18:40 |
| alazarev | upgrade :) | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I mean the following meaning from dict: informal exceptionally good; outstanding: his restaurant has received stellar ratings in the guides. | 18:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endvote | 18:41 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we have a final voting to choose new name from the list of verified options?" Results are | 18:41 |
| openstack | yes (11): bob_nettleton, aignatov, NikitaKonovalov, dmitryme, jspeidel, ruhe, themistymay, ErikB, SergeyLukjanov, alazarev, sreshetnyak | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | should we discuss anything else about renaming? | 18:41 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | looks like nope | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's move on | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf is offline, so, let's postpone api | 18:44 |
| jspeidel | haven't been able to link up with him yet. We are going to talk sometime this afternoon | 18:44 |
| jspeidel | *oops* | 18:44 |
| jspeidel | sorry wrong window | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | no action items and roadmap updates | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic docs (ruhe, 2 mins) | 18:44 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, please | 18:44 |
| ruhe | yes | 18:44 |
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| ruhe | i skimmed through savanna docs and figured out some of them are out of date | 18:45 |
| ErikB | yes, me too | 18:45 |
| ruhe | here is a list of things i think we need to update: | 18:45 |
| ruhe | * development environment | 18:45 |
| ruhe | * how to add a new migration script | 18:45 |
| ruhe | * devstack guide | 18:45 |
| ruhe | * mention Tempest tests for Savanna | 18:45 |
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| ErikB | I did not see anything for how to use the DiskBuilder scripts, did I miss it? | 18:45 |
| ruhe | should i file a blueprint (like we did it before release 0.3) ? | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm taking tempest tests, we'll do it with Yaroslav | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, yup, please | 18:46 |
| ruhe | ok, will do | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, it was quite useful | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, thx | 18:46 |
| aignatov | ErikB: we have only few words about DIB in docs | 18:46 |
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| ruhe | we will use work items to track all the docs we need to update | 18:46 |
| aignatov | but Savanna DIB itself contains descriptive README | 18:46 |
| ruhe | ErikB: i'll post a link later, so you'll be able to add items you think are missing | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, probably, we should move them to docs for consistency or add link to the README | 18:47 |
| ErikB | ruhe: thanks | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action ruhe to create a bp for tracking doc updates | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ruhe, anything else? | 18:48 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: in this case we should describe DIB for all plugins | 18:48 |
| aignatov | but having README in the repo is looks better since it has scripting instructions | 18:48 |
| aignatov | maybe we need to duplicate docs for dib elements? | 18:48 |
| ruhe | aignatov: we can always have a link to savanan docs in the README file | 18:48 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:50 |
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| aignatov | ruhe: ok, I don't mind | 18:51 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything to discuss? | 18:51 |
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| aignatov | returning to previous topic, probably we can make docs cleanup day | 18:51 |
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| alazarev | jspeidel: could you review plugin SPI changes? They interfere with HDP plugin | 18:52 |
| aignatov | when all savanna members will check the docs on actuality | 18:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, nice idea | 18:53 |
| ruhe | i support this idea | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, I think it should be after the i3 | 18:53 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: agree | 18:53 |
| themistymay | i3? | 18:53 |
| jspeidel | @alazarev ok | 18:53 |
| aignatov | themistymay: icehouse-3 - intermediate release of openstack | 18:54 |
| themistymay | aignatov, got it! | 18:54 |
| aignatov | did you see icehouse street in the HK? ;) | 18:54 |
| alazarev | jspeidel: thx | 18:54 |
| themistymay | yep... got a good giggle out of it | 18:55 |
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| themistymay | (i may even have a picture of it actually) | 18:55 |
| jspeidel | @alazarev, is there a CR for this, I didn't see it? | 18:55 |
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| aignatov | themistymay: I just asked, personally I didn't see this street xD | 18:56 |
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| themistymay | aignatov, oh man it was totally there... i'll hunt for the picture, i swear i took a pic | 18:56 |
| themistymay | :P | 18:56 |
| alazarev | jspeidel: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73713/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73729/ | 18:57 |
| jspeidel | thx | 18:57 |
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| aignatov | themistymay: share a link when you'll find it | 18:58 |
| aignatov | :) | 18:58 |
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| themistymay | aignatov, oh you know it | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 1 min keft | 18:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | thank you all! | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 18:59:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-20-18.03.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-20-18.03.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/savanna/2014/savanna.2014-02-20-18.03.log.html | 18:59 |
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| mestery | Hello Neutron policy folks! | 19:00 |
| s3wong | Hello | 19:00 |
| dave_tucker | hi mestery | 19:00 |
| songole | Hello | 19:00 |
| marun | hi | 19:00 |
| kevinbenton | hello | 19:00 |
| mestery | dave_tucker: Welcome! | 19:00 |
| cgoncalves | hi | 19:01 |
| thinrichs | Hi all | 19:01 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_policy | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 19:01:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 19:01 |
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| mestery | banix: Hi there! | 19:01 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam rkukura: ping | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery, all: Hi! | 19:01 |
| banix | mestery: hi | 19:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy Agenda | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry, was having trouble with my IRC client | 19:02 |
| rkukura | mestery: hi | 19:02 |
| mestery | So, lets get started with covering action items from last week. | 19:02 |
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| mestery | Per the fact we're all here, I've updated the wiki with the new meeting time slot. :) | 19:02 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks for updating hte meeting wiki with temporary github access instructions! | 19:03 |
| mestery | And mandeep, thanks for the collaboration instructions as well! | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: sure, np | 19:03 |
| mestery | If anyone has questions on those, please feel free to ask now. | 19:03 |
| banix | Is code already added wrt API | 19:03 |
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| mestery | banix: That's the next topic :) | 19:04 |
| mestery | But w can move there. | 19:04 |
| mestery | #topic API | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:04 | |
| s3wong | banix: I haven't push anything out yet, sorry | 19:04 |
| banix | mestery: sorry for jumping the gun | 19:04 |
| mestery | #link https://github.com/noironetworks/neutron-group-policy/tree/sumit/api API Branch | 19:04 |
| mestery | s3wong: SumitNaiksatam has taken your patch and pushed it to a branch I believe. | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks, i have started work on this | 19:04 |
| s3wong | Oh, OK - Thanks SumitNaiksatam | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i incorporated your diff | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i am going resource by resource, and making changes/enhancements as required | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and adding UTs | 19:05 |
| mestery | Thanks to s3wong and SumitNaiksatam for getting this pushed out there! | 19:05 |
| banix | s3wong, SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | was hoping to get much further along on this, hopefully soon | 19:05 |
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| mestery | This is really good progress though, having the API out there will be great! | 19:06 |
| mdhami | (this is mandeep, rejoined as mdhami, client problems) | 19:06 |
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| mestery | So, any questions on API related items? | 19:07 |
| banix | I have to push the database code so you guys can review | 19:07 |
| mestery | Maybe it's best for people to review the branch. | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: i am hoping that i can push out a WIP patch to gerrit soon | 19:07 |
| mestery | banix: Awesome! | 19:07 |
| banix | Again, jumping the gun! :) | 19:07 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: That would be super awesome! | 19:07 |
| mestery | banix: You get an AI for that. :) | 19:07 |
| mestery | #action banix to push DB code to shared github for review | 19:07 |
| banix | :) | 19:07 |
| mdhami | SumitNaiksatam: cool! | 19:07 |
| mestery | OK, any other API related items to discuss now? | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | gerrit will be eventually easier to review for everyone | 19:08 |
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| s3wong | nice | 19:08 |
| marun | uh | 19:09 |
| mestery | Agreed s3wong. | 19:09 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam, so that would include individual patches? sorry for asking the same questions many times | 19:09 |
| marun | I think I'll have some commentary on the chosen testing strategy | 19:09 |
| marun | I know it's consistent with how things are done in neutron, but that's not a good thing. | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: we can decide how we can structure the patches | 19:09 |
| mestery | marun: Please, feedback is very much welcome! | 19:09 |
| s3wong | marun: please elaborate | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: lets first have the code in the temp repo | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: does that sound okay? | 19:09 |
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| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes, sure. | 19:10 |
| mestery | marun: Are you providing feedback now or once you've looked stuff in more detail? | 19:10 |
| marun | s3wong: these are functional tests that exercise lots of boilerplate unnecessarily. | 19:10 |
| marun | s3wong: ideally there should be a separation between testing of the api and the lower-level stuff, keeping each test as focused as possible. | 19:11 |
| banix | marun: What do you suggest to do in this respect? | 19:12 |
| s3wong | marun: actually that sounds reasonable. I think we do normally write separate API test (from the plugin test) in Neutron | 19:12 |
| markmcclain | marun: +1 for new code we need to make sure we get away from the full stack test pattern we have in much of the existing code | 19:12 |
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| mestery | #info Group Policy unit test code needs to separate out api testing from lower-level stuff | 19:13 |
| marun | my larger goal is to ensure that api tests are reusable by tempest | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: i believe that's the path i have taken in my branch | 19:14 |
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| mestery | Awesome, good to hear SumitNaiksatam. | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | happy to be correct :-) | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *corrected | 19:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but i have only a few tests, more coming | 19:15 |
| mestery | OK, cool. | 19:15 |
| s3wong | marun: that said, specifically for the PoC, we do have a goal to see the whole network policy work working end to end (from Heat template to ovs driver) - though I don't think we are deviating from separating API test from lower level functional tests | 19:15 |
| marun | s3wong: well, I think the intent might be there but there is room for improvement in the implementation. | 19:16 |
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| marun | s3wong: it's likely I'm going to have to rewrite some of the tests to demonstrate what I mean[. | 19:16 |
| mdhami | marun: Can you give an example from this case? | 19:16 |
| marun | mdhami: all the tests are full-stack | 19:17 |
| s3wong | marun: absolutely. Please do so. We welcome any feedback | 19:17 |
| marun | mdhami: and going against the rest api manually | 19:17 |
| marun | mdhami: lots of common infrastructure is in play that doesn't need to be. | 19:17 |
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| mdhami | marun: Look forward to your example. That should help | 19:17 |
| marun | anyway moving on :) | 19:18 |
| mestery | marun: Thanks for your inputs here. :) | 19:18 |
| s3wong | marun: Thanks! | 19:18 |
| mestery | #topic Model | 19:18 |
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| mestery | There has some talk of where the policy code is implemented. | 19:19 |
| mestery | I'd at least like to have that discussion with the team now given the alternatives, especially since markmcclain is lurking here and can provide some input as well. :P | 19:19 |
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| mestery | One option would be as a service plugin. Another option could be as a new core plugin. | 19:19 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam had some concerns about the service plugin approach which we should discuss here. | 19:20 |
| mestery | Because there are some issues with each approach I think. | 19:20 |
| mdhami | The issue is that many policies are naturally cross cutting (across layers/functions) and putting the policy as an extension to say ML2 would not be appropriate. Hence the recommendation for a new policy plugin | 19:20 |
| s3wong | mestery: so far we are assuming core plugin - what is the benefit of doing it as service plugin? | 19:20 |
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| mdhami | I agree a core plugin makes more sense | 19:20 |
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| mestery | So, with a new core plugin, you only get the APIs if you use that plugin, and a new abstraction layer is needed to plug in old plugins. | 19:21 |
| mestery | Thoughts from people on that? | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks for the cue, yeah it does not seem like the service plugin will serve our purpose | 19:21 |
| banix | we have been talking about implementing this as part of ML2 | 19:21 |
| rkukura | has the combination of a service plugin and an ML2 MechanismDriver been considered? | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i don't think that works | 19:22 |
| mdhami | I suspect that you do not want policies that handle L3 or services (say needs Firewall inspection) to go thru' ML2 | 19:22 |
| s3wong | banix: I would expect other monolithic plugins can implement group-policy if they choose to | 19:22 |
| rkukura | So is the requirement to intercept the entire API, not just the L2 API? | 19:23 |
| banix | s3wong: yes sure; for the PoC. | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thats correct | 19:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: policy spans across L2, L3, serives, IPAM | 19:23 |
| markmcclain | a service plugin should allow for the policy API to be developed alongside of the core plugin | 19:23 |
| mestery | And we're intercepting the entire API to head off using both the policy APIs and the old APIs at the same time? | 19:23 |
| rkukura | But lots of those APIs (even L3 in ML2) are service plugins | 19:23 |
| mestery | rkukura markmcclain: Agreed | 19:24 |
| rkukura | So it seems like there will be a need to intercept the service plugin APIs even with a new core plugin | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: its not just a matter of API endpoints | 19:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: if we want to support current neutron constructs as well, we will have two entities managing them - the core plugin and the service plugin | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: and that will lead to conflict | 19:25 |
| mdhami | markmcclain: there can be a conflict between policy intent and direct L2 configuration. The policy plugin should resolve that. | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this issue manifests even if we want to service chaining across multiple services | 19:26 |
| banix | We have been saying the policy will complement the core API | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we don't have a footprint in neutron which orchestrate across L2, L3, services, IPAM | 19:26 |
| banix | and to that extent we define the endpoints as Neutron objects like Networks... | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes for that to happen we needs a plugin which serves as the endpoint for both, core abstractions and the policy abstractions | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *need | 19:27 |
| mdhami | banix, SumitNaiksatam: I agree. | 19:28 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: So would this new core plugin not use the existing service plugins, or somehow intermediate? | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 19:28 |
| mdhami | rkukura: intermediate | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we can leverage all the existing plugins as libraries | 19:28 |
| rkukura | So if that can be done in a new core plugin, why not in ml2? | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we don't rewrite any code | 19:29 |
| kanzhe | I guess the existing L2, L3 and service plugins becomes libraries to the new core plugin. | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: doesn't ml2 only do L2? | 19:29 |
| rkukura | I'm a bit concerned if this starts looking like the metaplugin | 19:29 |
| marun | hmmm | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kanzhe: yes, that would be the natural way to do it | 19:29 |
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| mdhami | rkukura: Are proposing implementaing all policy API in ML2? | 19:29 |
| markmcclain | yeah I'm not a big fan of a meta plugin design | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: this will be different from the metaplugin | 19:30 |
| marun | did i mishear? that supporting group policy in a given deployment means not supporting the normal neutron api? | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its not a metaplugin | 19:30 |
| rkukura | mdhami: I'd hope it could be a service plugin that could be intergrated with ml2 or other monolithic core plugins | 19:30 |
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| mdhami | marun: No that is not correct. | 19:30 |
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| banix | SumitNaiksatam: Why not be part of ML2 and reuse other service plugins | 19:31 |
| kanzhe | No, the existing Neutron APIs will still be supported, just added new group poilcy APIs. | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: how? | 19:31 |
| mdhami | marun: The current APIs need to be validated to be consistent with the policies applied (if applied) | 19:31 |
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| banix | mdahmi: the other way around | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: there is no notion of "reuse" service plugins | 19:31 |
| s3wong | banix: wouldn't that preclude all the other monolithic plugins (there are still a lot of those) to implement group-policy? | 19:32 |
| mdhami | marun: Without policies, there is no impact | 19:32 |
| marun | mdhami: so existing plugins will need to be instrumented for validation | 19:32 |
| mdhami | marun: instrumented as? | 19:32 |
| mestery | One concern I have here is that to use the policy APIs you have to use an entirally new core plugin, and side-load normal plugins (core and service) under this. Is that right? | 19:32 |
| marun | mdhami: a call to the core api occurs, the group policy plugin needs to know what is being attempted to validate | 19:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: you would not "side-load" other plugins | 19:33 |
| mdhami | marun: In ideal design current plugin have no impact at all | 19:33 |
| banix | s3wong: well, they are on the way out and this exercise is for a PoC. Isn't it? | 19:33 |
| marun | mdhami: not a bad assumption initially, but I don't think it holds for realworld | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: the policy plugin would leverage those other plugins as libraries | 19:34 |
| s3wong | banix: Oh? are we talking about just PoC / reference implementation here? | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: it would policy plugin configuration | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong banix: i think we are talking about the path we want to take going forward | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | PoC might be an early implementation of that | 19:35 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: leveraging other plugins as libraries… how is that different from the meta plugin? | 19:35 |
| mdhami | Yes, but it would be quite a basic design assumption | 19:35 |
| kanzhe | I guess one way to look at it is that policy API are extensions. The existing monolithic plugins needs to implement the policy API if they decide to support policies. A new plugin will be developed as a core plugin to implement L2, L3, service, and the new policy APIs. | 19:35 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes - that's what I thought. This will have impact on the entire group-policy moving forward | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: yes, i wanted to ask what people's understanding is of a meta plugin | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: so we are not referring to the meta plugin which is currently in the neutron plugins, right? | 19:36 |
| mestery | That's what I thought the meta plugin was SumitNaiksatam. :() | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kanzhe: yes, that's the proposed approach | 19:37 |
| mestery | :) | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: that metaplugin chooses between different plugins to implement a particular neutron resource | 19:37 |
| markmcclain | yeah when I say meta plugin… I'm talking more in concept | 19:37 |
| markmcclain | than the one we currently have now | 19:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: correct, i guessed as much | 19:38 |
| mdhami | markmcclain: I understand your concern for meta plugin. Since we will use existing published core/service APIs, this is more an intermediation than a loader of distinct plugin. | 19:38 |
| banix | So are we saying that a given plugin (already out there) cannot simply add support for the pGroup Policy extension without modifying what it does for the core API? | 19:38 |
| rkukura | I'm still not seeing how a new core plugin intercepts the APIs of service plugins? | 19:39 |
| mdhami | banix: You can do that. Or you can use this reference implementation - like any other plugin usage | 19:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: what you are probably referring to metaplugin I am seeing that as code reuse | 19:40 |
| marun | rkukura: we're handwaving that ;) | 19:40 |
| mdhami | rkukura: It registers as the core plugin | 19:40 |
| mdhami | marun: ;-) | 19:40 |
| rkukura | But the core plugin only implements the core (L2) API | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: if the policy plugin supports the relevant extensions then it will get those API calls, right? | 19:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: for implementation it will rely existing plugin implementation as lib modules | 19:41 |
| rkukura | So this is a "combo plugin" that implements the L2 and all service APIs, and may do that by calling out into other core or service plugins? | 19:41 |
| mdhami | rkukura: (and of course also for the policy API that we define) | 19:42 |
| mdhami | rkukura: The question is how do you not end up with an inconsistent system when both the policy and the current API can bot address that same entity without any co-ordination? | 19:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mdhami: yeah, the issue is that currently there is no place in Neutron where you can do that coordination | 19:44 |
| rkukura | Seems to me some simple mechanism in the neutron core that allows code to intercept API calls before they get to the core or service plugin may be a cleaner approach. | 19:44 |
| mdhami | This design just intermediates to ensure a correct system based on both policy expectations and API calls, | 19:44 |
| markmcclain | ok.. I'm going to run the risk of derailing this discussion for a bit :) | 19:44 |
| markmcclain | so it seems a lot of the patterns we are discussing is because the current v2 API and plugin def were setup synchronous (even though most aren't) | 19:45 |
| mdhami | rkukura: I agree. The hope was to prove this first as a plugin in | 19:45 |
| mdhami | rkukura: and once that has been stabalized, we can promote that code to core (as appropriate) | 19:45 |
| markmcclain | if we were to move to a flow based async plugin layer | 19:46 |
| s3wong | ruukura: that probably will avoid the conflict | 19:46 |
| rkukura | mdhami: That might be a reasonable way forward. | 19:46 |
| markmcclain | with a defined pipeline would it make things easier to implement? | 19:46 |
| mdhami | markmcclain: I suspect so | 19:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: can you elaborate a little more, sorry for being dense | 19:47 |
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| mdhami | markmcclain: We could use this deisgn as a proving ground for that design goal, and if that works out we can promote to to Neutron API layer | 19:47 |
| markmcclain | one of the items that several in the community have been kicking around | 19:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: are you referring to a orchestration layer within the API framework? | 19:48 |
| mdhami | markmcclain: This allows us a non-invasive aproach to validate that deisgn goal | 19:48 |
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| markmcclain | so our API current presents everything as synchronous which is why you're talking about wrapping calls and writing a mono plugin | 19:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: i am not sure that is so much of an issue here | 19:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: but please finish if you have more to add | 19:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: perhaps i am not understanding | 19:51 |
| markmcclain | how so? you're have to hook into the L2, L3 and other extension apis | 19:51 |
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| markmcclain | if the pipeline for those resources had reasonable point of integration I think the implementation would be cleaner | 19:53 |
| mdhami | markmcclain: I agree. | 19:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: so in this case it would mean that the pipeline would need to be constructed in such a way that all the calls go to the policy plugin first | 19:54 |
| markmcclain | from a big picture perspective, I'm bit concerned on the amount of duplicative code we generate because the minor variations in workflow each plugin/extension/driver needs | 19:54 |
| mdhami | markmcclain: Should we use this plugin as a first step to work out that design in context of a plugin? That was my question. | 19:54 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: That's kind of what I was trying to get at. But I do see the approach SumitNaiksatam is describing as maybe being appropriate for PoC at least. | 19:55 |
| marun | SumitNaiksatam, markmcclain: when we start talking about pipeline I start thinking about wsgi applications as used by swift | 19:55 |
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| marun | it's actually pretty clever - just like pipes, really, but with request/response instead of stdin/stdout | 19:55 |
| markmcclain | marun: no much different than wsgi | 19:55 |
| marun | markmcclain: I know that you're proposing something different | 19:55 |
| marun | markmcclain: I'm wondering if a simpler way is possible, though. | 19:56 |
| marun | markmcclain: one without all the requirement on static architecture | 19:56 |
| marun | markmcclain: anyway, I'll shutup for now | 19:56 |
| * mestery thinks this has actually been a pretty good discussion. | 19:56 | |
| markmcclain | marun: I'm not necessarily proposing anything concrete just trying to distill a few of the ideas that have been floating around in the community | 19:57 |
| markmcclain | into something might help everyone | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: so based on mdhami and rkukura's suggestion - how about we use this policy plugin approach as a first step towards that? | 19:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks for the time btw, for this :-) | 19:58 |
| mdhami | markmcclain: I agree that we need that API. Since it can quite disruptive, the proposal here was to try it out in the context of a plugin | 19:58 |
| mestery | This has been a good discussion SumitNaiksatam. | 19:58 |
| kevinbenton | markmcclain: in this async flow, do you envision plugins registering callback functions for events? | 19:58 |
| mdhami | mestery: I agree] | 19:58 |
| markmcclain | kevinbenton: not sure on the mechanisms | 19:59 |
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| markmcclain | so for now figuring out the rest API is something we can do | 19:59 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Maybe I'm not fully clued in, but the concern I have with the policy plugin approach is that it has to implement all the APIs, so it kind of prevents further extensibility | 19:59 |
| markmcclain | even if the implementation under the hood is more PoC | 19:59 |
| mestery | That seems like a good starting point markmcclain. | 19:59 |
| mestery | I think we may have to continue this discussion over email and in next week's meeting as well. | 20:00 |
| mestery | Since we're out of time in 1 minute :) | 20:00 |
| markmcclain | my original thought in suggesting a service plugin is that vehicle allows this work and any changes to the core plugin to proceed in parallel | 20:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: doing the policy plugin will exactly achieve that goal | 20:00 |
| marun | I know SumitNaiksatam expressed concern about the service plugin approach, but I'm not sure of the specifics. Are they documented anyway? | 20:00 |
| marun | anywhere? | 20:01 |
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| mestery | marun: We need to start a document perhaps to share things, may be easier to comment on that. | 20:01 |
| mestery | OK folks, time is up for today. | 20:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marun: how about follow up in email, since we are out of time | 20:01 |
| mestery | Lets continue this discussion on email and in next weeks meeting. | 20:01 |
| mestery | Thanks all! | 20:01 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| s3wong | Thanks! | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 20:01:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| banix | bye | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-20-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-20-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-02-20-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
| marun | bye | 20:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks, bye | 20:01 |
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| mdhami | marun: I will create a use case and send that out | 20:02 |
| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 20:02:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| marun | mdhami: thanks! | 20:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:02 |
| mdhami | bye | 20:02 |
| nikhil__ | o/ | 20:02 |
| markwash | o/ ! | 20:02 |
| arnaud___ | o/ | 20:02 |
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| markwash | greetings glance folks | 20:02 |
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| hemanth_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| markwash | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:02 |
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| iccha_ | hey | 20:02 |
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| markwash | since we're getting close to icehouse-3 closing I wanted to do another review/unblocking focused one | 20:03 |
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| markwash | but first a few quick items | 20:03 |
| markwash | #topic artifacts api status checkin | 20:03 |
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| markwash | hmm | 20:04 |
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| markwash | not sure we have anyone present for that item | 20:04 |
| gokrokve | Hi | 20:04 |
| markwash | there he is! | 20:04 |
| gokrokve | Sorry for the delay. | 20:04 |
| markwash | gokrokve: any status update to report? | 20:04 |
| gokrokve | We are working on the API part. | 20:05 |
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| gokrokve | We did not do much as we were busy with Murano incubation preparation. I promise to start working actively on it. | 20:05 |
| gokrokve | There was a discussion on a whiteboard for some specific use cases to be covered in artifacts repo. | 20:05 |
| markwash | I've been exchanging some emails of design discussion with jbernard and ativelkov | 20:06 |
| markwash | mostly related to instance templates | 20:06 |
| gokrokve | It is related to keeping dependencies between artifacts. | 20:06 |
| markwash | gokrokve: yes, I think there are a lot of use cases we should be keeping in mind as folks are designing the pai | 20:07 |
| markwash | s/pai/api | 20:07 |
| gokrokve | There is a use case from kfox1111. | 20:07 |
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| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/artifact-repository-api | 20:07 |
| markwash | okay, seems there is not much more for public consumption yet | 20:08 |
| arnaud___ | gokrokve: I think more important than the relation betweens artifacts is the relation of the things that are inside the artifact | 20:08 |
| markwash | but let's see if we can push in that direction in the next week or two | 20:08 |
| gokrokve | The question do we want to have these dependencies static (i.e. with referencing them by id) or dynamic (reference by name and version or just by name) | 20:08 |
| gokrokve | I think we will discuss this via e-mail in details | 20:08 |
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| gokrokve | arnaud___: Agree. But this is only one use case. It is better to discuss all possible use cases to choose proper design. | 20:09 |
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| gokrokve | Alex promised to write an e-mail about that. | 20:09 |
| markwash | is that email still in progress or did I miss it? | 20:09 |
| arnaud___ | gokrokve: I have several use cases that I want to make sure to be covered by artifacts (ovf, versions of images, images on different stores) | 20:09 |
| gokrokve | Its not sent yet I believe. | 20:09 |
| gokrokve | arnaud___: Please share them on a white board or attach an etherpad. | 20:10 |
| markwash | is there some place we should start aggregating these use case suggestions? | 20:10 |
| arnaud___ | sounds good | 20:10 |
| arnaud___ | could you share the link here | 20:10 |
| markwash | link to bp and whiteboard is given above | 20:11 |
| arnaud___ | (sorry missed it) | 20:11 |
| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/artifact-repository-api | 20:11 |
| gokrokve | Etherpad will work fine for use cases aggregation. | 20:11 |
| markwash | all right, so we want that etherpad, alex's email, and continued progress on publicly shared design info | 20:12 |
| markwash | sounds good | 20:12 |
| markwash | #topic blueprint triage | 20:12 |
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| markwash | I have been a little out of review form for the past week or so, becuase I've been spending my time on this | 20:12 |
| markwash | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance/Drivers | 20:13 |
| markwash | if you have a lot of blueprints you might have noticed a lot of notifications from launchpad with my comments | 20:13 |
| markwash | anyway, the basic idea is this | 20:14 |
| markwash | I've written a tool that is helping me keep track of blueprints that are triaged or new or need more information | 20:14 |
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| markwash | so far I've gone down from 80+ unreviewed blueprints to only 20 | 20:14 |
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| iccha_ | its a pretty nifty tool markwash | 20:14 |
| markwash | I guess if anyone is more interested in this, just let me know, or check out the code yourself | 20:15 |
| markwash | #link https://github.com/markwash/hoke | 20:15 |
| markwash | moving on :-) | 20:15 |
| markwash | #topic icehouse-3 bugs | 20:15 |
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| markwash | first one "Don't enable all stores by default" flaper87|afk | 20:15 |
| markwash | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1255556 | 20:15 |
| markwash | seems flaper87|afk is not here, probably timezone issues | 20:16 |
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| markwash | anyway, the takeaway from this one is that I talked to dean troyer and we figured out the problem is that the devstack changes need to be backported to stable/havana | 20:16 |
| markwash | anyone can do that to unblock the review, but I'll action flaper87|afk | 20:16 |
| markwash | #action flaper87 backport devstack changes to stable/havana for https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1255556 | 20:17 |
| markwash | next up: "image status set to killed even if has been deleted" | 20:17 |
| markwash | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1236868 | 20:17 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: I think the blocker here is some confusion between us perhaps? | 20:18 |
| markwash | review here: | 20:18 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50457/10 | 20:18 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: oh, i think you are proposing a new fix approach right? | 20:18 |
| markwash | zhiyan: yes, it seemed to me that a slightly smaller change would give a more desirable result | 20:19 |
| zhiyan | markwash: which are using db level check to prevent race condition issue right? | 20:19 |
| markwash | zhiyan: can we meet to discuss it my tomorrow morning, your later tonight? | 20:19 |
| zhiyan | markwash: maybe your tomorrow morning? | 20:20 |
| markwash | yeah | 20:20 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: actually i think that approach is cool to me/us | 20:20 |
| markwash | is it? I'm worried that I"m just confused about the problem | 20:21 |
| markwash | zhiyan: but if it makes sense to you and it doesn't seem like I'm just confused, if you would just switch to -1 on that review it would probably send the right message | 20:21 |
| zhiyan | markwash: i believe those two ways are all can work | 20:22 |
| markwash | okay, just want to make sure we get unstuck | 20:22 |
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| markwash | if you want I'm definitely available to discuss it tomorrow morning | 20:22 |
| zhiyan | markwash: ok, the reason to me is that current change is correct | 20:22 |
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| zhiyan | markwash: but seems you r proposing a new approach | 20:23 |
| zhiyan | markwash: but i'm ok to switch -1 if you like | 20:23 |
| zhiyan | markwash: if you like to go with that way | 20:23 |
| markwash | zhiyan: okay let's try to follow up | 20:23 |
| markwash | next up | 20:23 |
| markwash | notifiier traps and recodes exceptions | 20:24 |
| markwash | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1223516 | 20:24 |
| markwash | this bug is just a notice for reviewers | 20:24 |
| markwash | it looks like zhiyan is already taking good care of it but of course it will need more than one core reviewer | 20:24 |
| markwash | any concerns about this one, zhiyan, or is it just nits at this point? | 20:25 |
| markwash | review link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73530/ | 20:25 |
| zhiyan | markwash: there will have a new ps | 20:25 |
| markwash | gotcha okay | 20:26 |
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| markwash | next one up | 20:26 |
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| zhiyan | to try to reorganize the exception handling stracutre within image_data.py | 20:26 |
| * markwash nods | 20:26 | |
| markwash | "Log image_id with all BadStoreURI error messages" | 20:26 |
| markwash | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1243704 | 20:27 |
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| markwash | venkatesh is not around it seems | 20:27 |
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| markwash | my question on this bug: is there still a strong push for addressing this concern? or can we bump it from the list? | 20:27 |
| markwash | ah, nm | 20:28 |
| markwash | looks like he will be pushing a new patchset soon | 20:28 |
| markwash | okay that's all the bugs that are fit to print | 20:28 |
| markwash | let's look at blockers on blueprints | 20:28 |
| markwash | #topic icehouse-3 blueprints | 20:28 |
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| markwash | i18n message improvements | 20:29 |
| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/i18n-messages | 20:29 |
| markwash | flwang: I have two questions for you on this one | 20:29 |
| markwash | flwang: well one question and one request | 20:29 |
| markwash | flwang: first, there is one patch up for review, how much more do you think is needed to land this in icehouse? | 20:29 |
| * markwash hopes flwang is here. . . | 20:29 | |
| markwash | my request was for a little bit of explanation of how it all works | 20:30 |
| markwash | I will follow up with flwang | 20:30 |
| markwash | #action markwash follow up with flwang about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/i18n-messages | 20:30 |
| zhiyan | iirc, flwang just told us in last meeting, #71398 should be the last one... | 20:30 |
| markwash | oh okay | 20:30 |
| markwash | forgetful me | 20:30 |
| markwash | zhiyan: thanks | 20:31 |
| markwash | next up | 20:31 |
| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/split-image-size | 20:31 |
| markwash | can anyone confirm that this one is done? | 20:31 |
| zhiyan | np at all. (maybe i'm forgetful) | 20:31 |
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| zhiyan | and btw, seems i18n change #71398 has a some question like to know arnaud___'s input | 20:32 |
| arnaud___ | yes zhiyan I wanted to pm flwang yesterday but he wasn't there | 20:32 |
| arnaud___ | I will follow up with him today | 20:33 |
| arnaud___ | tomorrow for you :) | 20:33 |
| zhiyan | thanks arnaud___, just raise this btw, since you are here now you know | 20:33 |
| markwash | arnaud___: okay perhaps I can lurk during that conversation | 20:34 |
| arnaud___ | yes sounds good | 20:34 |
| markwash | the feature seems good I just want to make sure I understand the various moving parts | 20:34 |
| arnaud___ | tbh, I need more info | 20:34 |
| markwash | at first I was very confused about how _('foo') could be localized differently for logs vs api responses | 20:34 |
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| arnaud___ | to understand what is potentially harmful and what is not | 20:34 |
| zhiyan | arnaud___: me too, so maybe non-pm is better | 20:34 |
| zhiyan | anyway | 20:34 |
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| arnaud___ | ok sounds good | 20:35 |
| arnaud___ | as soon as flwang is available we can discuss this | 20:35 |
| markwash | arnaud___: yes if you can try to ping me and zhiyan when you get a hold of flwang that would be graet | 20:35 |
| arnaud___ | yes! sounds good | 20:35 |
| zhiyan | thanks. next pls | 20:35 |
| markwash | BTW, for next blueprint, I've asked flaper87|afk on the whiteboard if its done | 20:35 |
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| markwash | next up: status property on image locations | 20:36 |
| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/image-location-status | 20:36 |
| markwash | I think there are 3 patchsets that need to land still | 20:36 |
| zhiyan | pls folks give some review | 20:36 |
| markwash | yeah, that | 20:36 |
| arnaud___ | I will look at it more today zhiyan | 20:36 |
| zhiyan | and arnaud___'s comments had been addressed, thanks btw | 20:37 |
| markwash | zhiyan: sorry, I have spent way to much time doing blueprint review :-) | 20:37 |
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| zhiyan | thanks markwash. and any potential reviewers | 20:37 |
| zhiyan | np at all | 20:37 |
| markwash | zhiyan: can you quickly summarize the domain and api changes? | 20:37 |
| zhiyan | ok | 20:37 |
| zhiyan | api changes has two part | 20:38 |
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| zhiyan | db api and restful api | 20:38 |
| zhiyan | i add a new db api to allow upper layer request delete a single image location with a target status | 20:38 |
| zhiyan | and in restful api controller, i ask glance only return "active" location entries back to client | 20:39 |
| markwash | this will make it possible for scrubber to just look for 'pending_delete' locations ? | 20:40 |
| zhiyan | yes | 20:40 |
| markwash | okay cool | 20:41 |
| markwash | thanks | 20:41 |
| zhiyan | the main domain's change is in store level | 20:41 |
| markwash | taht should help me get started on the review | 20:41 |
| markwash | next up! | 20:41 |
| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/community-level-v2-image-sharing | 20:41 |
| zhiyan | to extract image (location) delete functions to a new common file | 20:41 |
| zhiyan | ok | 20:41 |
| markwash | oh, and I accidentally skipped the discussion about the "community" name | 20:41 |
| markwash | maybe we can do it now? | 20:41 |
| markwash | iccha_: ^^ | 20:41 |
| iccha_ | yes | 20:42 |
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| iccha_ | so there has been some discussion about the name community | 20:42 |
| iccha_ | it is basically a visibility filter name | 20:42 |
| iccha_ | to indicate that the image is available to everyone but doesnt appear in their image list | 20:43 |
| iccha_ | a lot of terminology has been thrown around - community, broadcast, open, published | 20:43 |
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| iccha_ | wanted to know if anyone had any strong opinions thoughts or any other suggestions | 20:43 |
| arnaud___ | I still feel like community doesn't describe well what this filter does | 20:44 |
| arnaud___ | :) | 20:44 |
| markwash | I guess we really want something that means "shared with all" | 20:44 |
| iccha_ | rosmaita: ^ | 20:45 |
| arnaud___ | back to my initial concern, markwash: it is not exactly shared with all | 20:45 |
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| markwash | oh | 20:45 |
| zhiyan | may i know when we finish this feature, who has the permissions to share that things? | 20:46 |
| arnaud___ | it is "public" but need to be accepted | 20:46 |
| iccha_ | the owner gets to make their image available to all zhiyan | 20:46 |
| iccha_ | it is still available , 'accepting' it only makes it appear in their image list | 20:46 |
| markwash | arnaud___: hmm, I'm a little confused, becuase I think that restriction is present in normal p2p shared images as well | 20:47 |
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| rosmaita | zhiyan: image owner can make the image "community" | 20:47 |
| arnaud___ | yes but since glance doesn't have group sharing, it is not like something you share and you know that only you have access to it | 20:47 |
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| zhiyan | ok, seems it share the image to other tenants directly, but don't need them accept, right? | 20:48 |
| rosmaita | zhiyan: makes the image available for any tenant to boot an instance from | 20:48 |
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| iccha_ | yes zhiyan | 20:48 |
| rosmaita | zhiyan: they only need to "accept" if they want it to appear in their image-list | 20:48 |
| zhiyan | tbh it sounds like that old security issue, which we resolved. what's the different/limitation there? to prevent "anti-spam"? | 20:49 |
| arnaud___ | the owner "publishes" it, and the tenants "subscribe" to it by accepting it | 20:49 |
| zhiyan | am i misunderstanding? | 20:49 |
| rosmaita | zhiyan: you are right, the "accept" bit is just to prevent spam | 20:49 |
| markwash | well, maybe we can review the code while coming up with some more alternative suggestions for the name, and ensure we have the name resolved at or before next weeks meeting? | 20:50 |
| markwash | I can see the problem with "community" | 20:50 |
| rosmaita | well, it's like the open source commnunity | 20:51 |
| rosmaita | you don't have to be a member | 20:51 |
| markwash | but I'm not very excited about the alternatives yet | 20:51 |
| rosmaita | but you can be if you want to | 20:51 |
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| markwash | is_public2 | 20:51 |
| markwash | haha | 20:51 |
| iccha_ | hehe | 20:51 |
| rosmaita | -2000 ! | 20:51 |
| markwash | sorry | 20:51 |
| arnaud___ | lol | 20:51 |
| rosmaita | is_sorta_public | 20:52 |
| markwash | okay, let's keep working on this name and pick our least unfavorite in a finite amount of time | 20:52 |
| markwash | last but not least | 20:52 |
| markwash | async / import | 20:52 |
| markwash | nikhil__: looks like you've been busy | 20:53 |
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| nikhil__ | hey | 20:53 |
| nikhil__ | I added some comments to the agenda | 20:53 |
| markwash | and have posted some review links for us in the agenda | 20:53 |
| markwash | yes, thank you for that! | 20:53 |
| markwash | I like the shape of the first change in the list, I haven't looked much at the others yet, but will | 20:53 |
| nikhil__ | oh, great | 20:54 |
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| nikhil__ | markwash: have communicated with Flavio on the intentions this MP is going | 20:54 |
| nikhil__ | he mentioned that he would like to be more involved | 20:54 |
| markwash | okay cool | 20:54 |
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| davidlenwell | the bot seems like its back | 22:06 |
| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 22:07 |
| openstack | davidlenwell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 22:07 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 22:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 22:07:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:07 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 22:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-20-20.02.html | 22:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-20-20.02.txt | 22:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-02-20-20.02.log.html | 22:07 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 22:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 20 22:07:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 22:07 |
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| fungi | i didn't restart the bot, seems to have rejoined from the split | 22:07 |
| davidlenwell | yeah | 22:08 |
| davidlenwell | like 60 people just jumped back in all at once | 22:08 |
| davidlenwell | seems to be correcting it self | 22:08 |
| davidlenwell | anyways meeting started | 22:08 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | thanks | 22:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 22:08 |
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| rockyg | rollcall again for minutes | 22:08 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 22:09 |
| tedchang | :) | 22:09 |
| catherine|3 | here | 22:09 |
| davidlenwell | here | 22:09 |
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| tedchang | here | 22:09 |
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| davidlenwell | So I am going to kick off with a topic if nobody objects ? | 22:10 |
| Alex-H | I am here | 22:10 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 22:10 |
| davidlenwell | #topic stackforge | 22:10 |
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| rockyg | +1 | 22:11 |
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| davidlenwell | yesterday I had a five hour face to face meeting with catherine|3 and her crew.. They've been very busy.. but their lawyers won't allow them to share it unless its in stackforge first.. So.. I'm right in the middle of pushing the repo into stackforge.. I'm told by mordred (monty) that he'll review it when he gets a minute.. might be tomorrow .. | 22:12 |
| zehicle_at_dell | timemachine: Agenda topics RefStack, TCUP, F2F Meetings, Rollout time/plan | 22:12 |
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| rockyg | Anything needed beyond the commits that you've gotta do? | 22:13 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: once its commited and accepted we'll be in stackforge and we'll actually need to do a lot | 22:14 |
| davidlenwell | I'll work on a list of things and put blueprints and stuff in launch pad | 22:14 |
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| davidlenwell | the main thing I need right now is another core-reviewer since its not cool if I plus2 my own patches | 22:15 |
| rockyg | BTW. I hate launchpad. | 22:15 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: you are not alone | 22:15 |
| davidlenwell | but its how the community does things | 22:15 |
| davidlenwell | for now | 22:15 |
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| rockyg | Catherine maybe? You've worked with her. Could we make her core? | 22:15 |
| davidlenwell | possibly | 22:15 |
| davidlenwell | altho we might want someone with more openstack expierance as the reviewer | 22:16 |
| catherine|3 | How do one become core? | 22:16 |
| rockyg | Yeah, the review checklist is getting long;-) | 22:16 |
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| davidlenwell | for now Chris Mcgowan has agreed to be another core reviewer if we need him to .. but he won't make a lot of contributions | 22:17 |
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| davidlenwell | once catherine|3 has gone through gerrit / review a few tiems I'll be fine with giving her +2 .. but as those of us know who have gone through it .. sometiems it can be confusing at first | 22:18 |
| rockyg | Review is the key. Catherine|3: you become core by becoming known as a solid coder and reviewer. Usually against some project. Then you get nominated by the team, voted and you get the special +2 want. | 22:18 |
| rockyg | wand | 22:18 |
| davidlenwell | well put rockyg | 22:18 |
| rockyg | We can get Catherene to start reviewing your patches. Coach, and voila! Let's point her at the reviwer info... | 22:19 |
| davidlenwell | so to fill that roll two things are really important .. one is that you are a solid revier and can clearly comment and judge others work in the scheme of the big picture of the project .. the second is availability .. reviews need to happen in a timely fashion | 22:20 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | do we need blueprints first for this? | 22:20 |
| zehicle_at_dell | will that be a limit | 22:20 |
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| catherine|3 | We had a blueprint right? | 22:21 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: do you mean a lp blueprint ? | 22:21 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 22:21 |
| rockyg | If anything, all we need are titles to start. Roll out a bunch. | 22:21 |
| rockyg | I can do it if there's a list to work from. Even put in some words :-) | 22:22 |
| davidlenwell | I like to keep blueprints downto features .. we do have a lot of incomplete features I'd love to use lp to coordinate the specifics on | 22:22 |
| davidlenwell | assign to humans and track | 22:22 |
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| davidlenwell | so some of the things we covered.. config location/format, db changes, were to keep the list of "must pass" tests for each release | 22:37 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|3: what else? | 22:37 |
| catherine|3 | going thru my list | 22:38 |
| catherine|3 | one sec | 22:38 |
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| davidlenwell | the bot is back | 22:38 |
| davidlenwell | #topic f2f | 22:38 |
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| catherine|3 | those are the majot one ... the rest is just programing style like JSON object vs text etc.. | 22:39 |
| davidlenwell | lets not dive too deep into that stuff here | 22:39 |
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| davidlenwell | catherine|3: has your team read into the pep8 standards we talked about? | 22:39 |
| davidlenwell | before you can submit your patches you are going to want a clean flake8 test .. otherwise they'll get kicked out of the review before anyone can approve them | 22:40 |
| catherine|3 | yes we are in the process to do pep8 checking .. | 22:41 |
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| davidlenwell | great | 22:41 |
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| davidlenwell | So the next time we are all in the same city is the week of march 3rd .. zehicle_at_dell you still plan to be in the bay that week right? | 22:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yes | 22:43 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Alex cannot make it | 22:43 |
| davidlenwell | lets plan at least a 2 hour session some place | 22:43 |
| davidlenwell | I think most of us will be in the south bay .. so the piston office won't work well | 22:43 |
| davidlenwell | I'll be at an ironic/tripleo sprint all week | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell has board and defcore meetings | 22:44 |
| rockyg | I can find a conference room here. It's kinda wonky because of security, but if I find an external one, it will work fine. | 22:44 |
| rockyg | We're in Santa Clara at Central Expressway and San Tomas | 22:44 |
| davidlenwell | I think we can coordinate the deails on that next week | 22:44 |
| rockyg | There's also a wine bar I know with wifi ;-) | 22:45 |
| davidlenwell | #agree we will have a face to face meeting the week of march 3rd | 22:45 |
| davidlenwell | we'll decide what and when and where next meeting | 22:45 |
| davidlenwell | #topic Rollout time/plan | 22:46 |
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| rockyg | At this late date, we will only have a prototype/test pilot for Icehouse, since we won't have a definition of core for a while. What can we have by icehouse-3? | 22:49 |
| zehicle_at_dell | the deliverable is around Havana | 22:49 |
| rockyg | Yes, but all the schedules revolve around the summit, which is tracked with the Icehouse timelines. | 22:50 |
| zehicle_at_dell | let me clarify that | 22:50 |
| zehicle_at_dell | the DefCore work for this cycle is to prove it for Havana not Icehouse or Juno | 22:51 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that let's people make comments about stable stuff that's been in market | 22:51 |
| davidlenwell | +1 | 22:51 |
| zehicle_at_dell | after we've reviewed & tested w/ Havana then we'll start to look at Icehouse | 22:51 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ideally, that's targeted for +90 after the summit | 22:51 |
| rockyg | I've got that, I'm just thinking schedules. I would think the first milestone would be full ttcup with Havana Tempest tests on devtest? We need to break that down into functionalities. | 22:51 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but that can change based on feedback about the Havana work | 22:52 |
| zehicle_at_dell | rockyg, +1 | 22:52 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I'd like to be able to demo it to the board on 3/4 | 22:52 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so that I can have them start trying it out on their own sites | 22:52 |
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| rockyg | Can we go back to trello and start mapping some of this stuff out? Does RefStack have a Trello project? | 22:53 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: by demo to the board do you mean tcup with raw output because we're still working out how to parse them | 22:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 22:53 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: no | 22:53 |
| davidlenwell | I'd preffer to keep things in lp | 22:53 |
| rockyg | 3/4 would likely mean: hardcoded stuff from stackforge that gets a cleanup. that should be pretty good, I would think. | 22:54 |
| davidlenwell | which should be all onine later today.. I'll send a team email with the details as soon as its online | 22:54 |
| davidlenwell | #agree zehicle_at_dell will demo tcup to the board on 4/3 | 22:54 |
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| davidlenwell | rockyg: I think by then we won't have to hard code anything | 22:54 |
| rockyg | Kewl! | 22:55 |
| catherine|3 | 4/3 = April 3 | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | should just need creds and to know what arch the cloud is | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | shit | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | 3/4 | 22:55 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Here's what I'd like to demo - rob runs TCUP on a VM w/ Rackspace as the target. Results upload to RefStack from TCUP. I can show that the results are uploaded BUT NOTHING ELSE. | 22:55 |
| davidlenwell | #agree davidlenwell can't type adn that should be 3/4 board meteting | 22:55 |
| zehicle_at_dell | Repeat w/ Dreamhost as the target | 22:55 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yikes,soory. yes Mar 4 | 22:56 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: might be a challenge .. we haven't worked out how to run without admin creds | 22:56 |
| zehicle_at_dell | that's not required for my demo | 22:56 |
| catherine|3 | so we have those Cloud (Rackspace and DreamHost) available for us to test first ? | 22:56 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I can get accounts | 22:56 |
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| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: sounds good to me | 22:56 |
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| rockyg | +1 | 22:57 |
| zehicle_at_dell | the results of the tests do not need to be shown | 22:57 |
| zehicle_at_dell | just that we can post them | 22:57 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|3: has almost got it to that point now | 22:57 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | processing and security of results can be added | 22:57 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: just need to clean up the hard coded stuff | 22:57 |
| catherine|3 | I am more concern about the config parameters that Tempest needed | 22:57 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, that's what I was hoping. I am NOT trying to create a demo crisis | 22:57 |
| davidlenwell | catherine|3: we'll know by next thursday if we need to hard code something or not | 22:58 |
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| davidlenwell | worst case we can make the user enter more data | 22:58 |
| davidlenwell | I'm good with ending now | 22:58 |
| davidlenwell | I have a lot to do as well | 22:58 |
| catherine|3 | so a couple public clouds available as soon as possible will be very helpful | 22:58 |
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| davidlenwell | I'll put up a piston cloud we can test against as well | 22:58 |
| catherine|3 | great | 22:59 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 22:59:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-20-22.07.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-20-22.07.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-20-22.07.log.html | 22:59 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: make sure you grab this .. it didn't get everything | 22:59 |
| rockyg | Just saved a copy:-) | 23:00 |
| davidlenwell | thnx | 23:00 |
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| rockyg | I'll send out email with the wiki stuff. Once you have one blueprint up, I can put the launchpad project site on the wiki. | 23:00 |
| rockyg | back over to #refstack for anything else. | 23:01 |
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