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| zns | #startmeeting satori | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 24 15:00:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:00 |
| zns | Welcome to the first Satori Team Meeting. | 15:00 |
| zns | My email to the dev list announcing this meeting bounced back, so I think turnout might be limited to us already working on the project. | 15:00 |
| zns | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:00 | |
| zns | Who is here? | 15:00 |
| caleb_ | o/ | 15:00 |
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| gondoi | o/ | 15:01 |
| jasonpgignac | o/ | 15:01 |
| gusmaskowitz | o/ | 15:01 |
| zns | Cool. Welcome. The agenda is on the wiki page. Reminder that anyone can add items to it. | 15:01 |
| zns | #topic Project kick-off | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project kick-off (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:02 | |
| zns | For the record, and to report progress, We’ve started working on a proof-of-concept. We’ve implemented three blueprints: | 15:02 |
| zns | Command-line parsing | 15:02 |
| zns | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/poc-commandline-parsing | 15:02 |
| zns | DNS detection, which finds which nova server the URL you are discovering is hosted on a nova server | 15:02 |
| zns | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/poc-dns-detection | 15:02 |
| zns | Nova instance detectin | 15:02 |
| zns | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/nova-instance-detection | 15:02 |
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| zns | We also have some blueprints approved and pending. | 15:03 |
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| caleb_ | I'm still working on getting https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/poc-resource-opinions outlined. | 15:03 |
| zns | We also pushed v0.1.3 to pypi, so you can pip install satori and try it out already. | 15:03 |
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| caleb_ | If people would like to help with the wiki doc I'd appreciate it | 15:03 |
| caleb_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/OpinionsProposal | 15:04 |
| zns | I had a question about that. Should we include a base set of opinions in satori? | 15:04 |
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| gondoi | seems reasonable to me | 15:05 |
| samstav | gondoi: seconded | 15:05 |
| jasonpgignac | We'd just need to make sure they are sufficiently 'generic' | 15:05 |
| jasonpgignac | Or, marked as examples. | 15:05 |
| caleb_ | zns: I think so. So long as they're only loaded when asked. | 15:05 |
| gondoi | there should be some amount of data that is generic enough that we can keep opionions in the base code | 15:05 |
| zns | Agreed. | 15:05 |
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| caleb_ | jasonpgignac: agreed | 15:05 |
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| zns | #agreed include a base set of generic opinions in satori | 15:05 |
| caleb_ | I'll add that to the spec | 15:06 |
| zns | thanks | 15:06 |
| zns | #topic Pushed 0.1.3 | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pushed 0.1.3 (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:06 | |
| caleb_ | can you #action that? | 15:06 |
| zns | Skipping through this topic, unless anyone has questions? | 15:06 |
| caleb_ | not sure if a non-chair can do that. | 15:06 |
| zns | #action cgroom include a base set of generic opinions to spec | 15:07 |
| caleb_ | zns: What's the cadence that we'll use to push to pypi? | 15:07 |
| zns | I've also put in a request to add satori to stack forge. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73667/ | 15:07 |
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| caleb_ | every merge? date interval? "big" blueprint implementations? | 15:08 |
| zns | caleb_: Once we get on an openstack cadence, we'll probably follow that. For now, I'm thinking whenever there is a new feature (i.e. value) we can push a version out. Any thoughts or opinions about that? | 15:08 |
| jasonpgignac | Is QC around said version pushes included in the Openstack standards already? | 15:09 |
| jasonpgignac | Or is that somethign we'd have to discuss? | 15:09 |
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| caleb_ | re: stackforge. We may have somebody on the infra team that we can poke to speed that along. | 15:09 |
| zns | jasonpgignac: good question. We should be following all testing and QE processes from openstack. We'll need to get on stack forge to leverage the automation around it. | 15:10 |
| zns | I don't know what our test coverage is now, but I'd like t o quickly get to 100% once we have a PoC out. | 15:10 |
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| jasonpgignac | *nods* That would be my main standard for 'push to PyPy' - the last thing we'd want to do is push untested code. | 15:10 |
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| zns | The review and jenkins process will enforce that. We should probably automate the push to pypi too. | 15:11 |
| gondoi | #agreed | 15:11 |
| caleb_ | zns: Once we're in stackforge, will we follow the OpenStack "review" process or use the github workflow? | 15:11 |
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| zns | caleb_: Do we have a choice about that? If we want to be a "related" project? | 15:12 |
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| __walker | I personally prefer github workflow, but can adapt as necessary | 15:13 |
| zns | I personally don't love the gerrit UI, but I do appreciate the value of the review and gating process. | 15:13 |
| caleb_ | zns: Related is a designation that you give yourself. It doesn't require any approval or standards of execution. | 15:13 |
| caleb_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProjectTypes | 15:13 |
| gondoi | i like the gerritt workflow as well, with the +1 system and gating | 15:13 |
| caleb_ | being anything beyond related needs to be using Gerritt and other best practices. | 15:13 |
| zns | OK... so once we're in stack forge, we can still follow a github process? What's the point of bing in stack forge then? | 15:13 |
| caleb_ | It also helps to get other openstack contributors if we're already using the process that they're familiar with. | 15:14 |
| __walker | Sounds like the right choice then | 15:14 |
| jasonpgignac | caleb_: Agreed, there. Its probably important that we maek it as easy as possible for new people to join in | 15:14 |
| caleb_ | zns: The stackforge org helps as an aggregation point for other related projects. | 15:14 |
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| caleb_ | When I asked "Where is the ecosystem of related projects?" the answer was "Go look in stackforge." | 15:15 |
| zns | So can we merge pull requests into the stack forge org? | 15:15 |
| zns | Or do we have to follow gerrit to do that. | 15:15 |
| caleb_ | Yes, we could. It sounds like we have agreement to use Gerrit though. Am I correct is saying that? | 15:16 |
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| jasonpgignac | I agree with that. | 15:16 |
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| gondoi | agreed | 15:16 |
| zns | OK. | 15:16 |
| zns | #agreed we will use the gerrit workflow once in stack forge (not the github workflow) | 15:17 |
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| zns | Moving on... | 15:17 |
| zns | #topic Upcoming blueprints | 15:17 |
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| zns | Main ones are system info and opinons: | 15:17 |
| zns | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/poc-system-info | 15:17 |
| zns | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/poc-resource-opinions | 15:17 |
| zns | System info is about logging in to the servers (ex. nova compute instances) and reporting on what’s running/installed on them. | 15:17 |
| zns | Opinions is about loading a library of best practices (or any rules) to provide opinions (good or bad) about the discovered configuration. | 15:17 |
| gondoi | #info we will use gerritt workflow once in stackforge | 15:17 |
| zns | I'd like to bring up the topic of how we should get data off of hosts; the first blueprint. | 15:18 |
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| zns | The question is what tool should we use (or build) to get data off of hosts? | 15:19 |
| caleb_ | SystemInfoProposal still needs further definition. | 15:19 |
| caleb_ | the idea of the blueprint is that we could use multiple tools. | 15:19 |
| caleb_ | creating a plugin for each one. | 15:19 |
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| caleb_ | Based on our personal experience we would start by writing waldo/sysinfo/ohai.py | 15:20 |
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| zns | OK. I agree with that. | 15:21 |
| caleb_ | Sorry, I meant satori/sysinfo/ohai.py | 15:21 |
| gondoi | I agree ohai is a good start | 15:21 |
| jasonpgignac | Just to clarify, the blueprints will include data retrieval, but no data analysis/opinionation, correct? | 15:21 |
| __walker | #agreed Due to the diversity of hosts and preferences for tools, this seems the best approach | 15:21 |
| jasonpgignac | Blueprints being a separate task? | 15:21 |
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| jasonpgignac | #agreed on Ohai as a good first target | 15:22 |
| caleb_ | jasonpgignac: the opinion blueprint is separate. Opinions would review resources and its attributes. | 15:22 |
| jasonpgignac | caleb_: Thank you for the clarification | 15:22 |
| caleb_ | the sysinfo blueprint specifies how resources include the additional info | 15:22 |
| zns | jasonpgignac: a good way to think about that is that collection and analysis are separate steps. system info is about collecting data. opinions is about analyzing that data. | 15:22 |
| caleb_ | on the topic of the plugin structure.... | 15:22 |
| gondoi | do we need to call out a need for different system types to use different system info gathering tools? | 15:22 |
| zns | Like windows? | 15:23 |
| gondoi | for example, windows vs linux | 15:23 |
| gondoi | yes | 15:23 |
| gondoi | or bsd | 15:23 |
| caleb_ | I was originally thinking that a plugin would need to define common functions like: install_tool/upgrade_tool/execute_command/filter_data, etc. | 15:23 |
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| __walker | What if that logic was in the plugin itself? | 15:23 |
| caleb_ | However, I think __walker has convinced me to just have one function in the plugin and let the plugin handle everything as it wants. | 15:23 |
| jasonpgignac | I concur with _walker | 15:24 |
| zns | caleb_: why not just get_system_info(address, credentials) | 15:24 |
| gondoi | i think it depends on the plugin structure itself, correct? | 15:24 |
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| zns | And the plugin handles everything else... just to keep it simple? | 15:24 |
| samstav | If multiple tools is the direction to go in, a prerequisite blueprint would be for a channel (e.g. ssh module) | 15:24 |
| caleb_ | zns: Yes, that was rwalker's suggestion. | 15:24 |
| jasonpgignac | It raises the question of should we, perhaps, require that plugins handle unexpected OS types? | 15:24 |
| caleb_ | samstav: Agreed. | 15:24 |
| jasonpgignac | So that if a plugin is written that will work only with inux, it will fail gracefully. | 15:24 |
| jasonpgignac | Etc. | 15:24 |
| zns | samstav: should establishing an ssh chanel be outside the modules? What about if a plugin doesn't use ssh? (Windows and WMI for example) | 15:25 |
| caleb_ | jasonpgignac: Perhaps this is me being lazy but I'd like to assume recent mainstream Linux distros initially and define greater details after the first implementation. | 15:25 |
| __walker | jasongignac: yes, i believe a plugin would need to do that. Not all discovery tools support all os's (ansible for example). | 15:25 |
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| jasonpgignac | calen_: I'm good with that, as long as we make that clear in the documentation of the app. | 15:26 |
| samstav | zns: good question, and outside my domain. | 15:26 |
| caleb_ | zns: I would think there should be a utils module that provides common tools like making an SSH connection with our credentials structure. | 15:27 |
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| __walker | #agreed caleb_ | 15:27 |
| zns | How about we start with having the plugins own establishing the connection to start with, but we provide a built-in ssh module that they can use? | 15:27 |
| jasonpgignac | zns: If anything, that is perhaps an argument for separating different OS families into altogetehr different tracks. The very basis of the mechanism for communicating and coordinating events would, then, be differet on a Windows box? | 15:27 |
| caleb_ | zns: Agreed. | 15:27 |
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| samstav | #agreed zns | 15:28 |
| jasonpgignac | #agreed zns | 15:28 |
| __walker | #agreed zns | 15:28 |
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| zns | jasonpgignac: what do you mean by different tracks? Different branches, projects,... ? | 15:28 |
| zns | #agreed plugins own establishing the connection to start with, but we provide a built-in ssh module that they can use | 15:29 |
| jasonpgignac | That's probably a very large architectural question, that I would want to do far more intelligent thinking on before making a suggestion | 15:29 |
| caleb_ | zns: Can you assign that action to somebody to update the blueprint? | 15:29 |
| caleb_ | notit | 15:29 |
| zns | jasonpgignac: ok. | 15:29 |
| zns | I'll take it. | 15:29 |
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| zns | #action ins implement plugins own establishing the connection to start with, but we provide a built-in ssh module that they can use | 15:30 |
| caleb_ | ins? | 15:30 |
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| jasonpgignac | If it is important that we begin to come up with an answer to the question of Windows track at this point, I can coordinate with some experts in the area to come up with some proposals. IF not, it is an understandable decision to leave this as a future feature | 15:30 |
| zns | #action zns - that was autocorrect | 15:30 |
| zns | jasonpgignac: I'd love to see a blueprint or PR for that to support windows. | 15:31 |
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| caleb_ | #action zns implement plugins own establishing the connection to start with, but we provide a built-in ssh module that they can use | 15:31 |
| zns | OK. Anything else on blueprints or specs? | 15:31 |
| zns | I think we can touch on mor of that in the next topic too... | 15:32 |
| samstav | yes | 15:32 |
| zns | #topic What features should be implemented before we announce to the User List? | 15:32 |
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| zns | samstav: you had a question? | 15:32 |
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| caleb_ | Re: User List. Our announcement to the Dev List was pretty flat. My opinion about that is that most Stackers are building core building blocks of a cloud rather than hacking on things that are closer to the userland. | 15:33 |
| samstav | yes. at the beginning of previous topic, _caleb said "I was originally thinking that a plugin would need to define common functions like…" . What is the conclusion now, where are we leaving that what defines a plugin in that regard? | 15:33 |
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| samstav | caleb_ | 15:33 |
| zns | caleb_: do you feel strongly that we should break out those separate calls now, or can it wait until we have our first implementation? | 15:34 |
| caleb_ | I think we can generate greater interest by announcing our project to the User List. So, what things should we implement before we do that? Should we just announce in our current state? | 15:34 |
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| samstav | plugin -> a system information plugin | 15:35 |
| gondoi | I am not up to date on what pip install satori's current state is? | 15:35 |
| jasonpgignac | Perhaps a Tutorial of some sort? Our current documentation is not user-centric. | 15:35 |
| gondoi | can it do an actual discovery? | 15:35 |
| gondoi | if so, then yes | 15:35 |
| zns | I'm assuming we want to provide value and a reliably functional app before announcing to users. So that would mean some more testing, better error reporting (no stack traces). | 15:36 |
| caleb_ | I think having the latest pushed to pypi is a hard requirement so that we can just instruct people to `pip install satori` | 15:36 |
| caleb_ | gondoi: Yes, it can do DNS and nova detection currently | 15:36 |
| __walker | I think more work into sysinfo would make a greater impact to userlist | 15:36 |
| zns | gondoi: You can see the functionality here https://pypi.python.org/pypi/satori | 15:36 |
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| zns | I agree with __walker - we implement system info first. | 15:37 |
| caleb_ | zns: Re plugin structure: I think we should do a few implementations and then change the format as we find things that are similar between plugins. Pull out the common features, etc. | 15:38 |
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| zns | caleb_, samstav: So we build the first plugin or two with a simple (one call) interface and then evolve into a plugin interface as/when needed? | 15:39 |
| walker_ | caleb_ that seems reasonable | 15:39 |
| caleb_ | I think it would be cool to document how to use Satori inside of Python code too. An example of how to integrate discovery into your app could be nice. | 15:39 |
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| samstav | #agreed plugin structure | 15:39 |
| samstav | thanks | 15:39 |
| caleb_ | http://satori.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ should probably also get some love. | 15:39 |
| gondoi | i agree with system info discovery too | 15:39 |
| zns | #agreed first plugin or two with a simple (one call) interface and then evolve into a plugin interface as/when needed | 15:39 |
| caleb_ | That site is autogenerating as code merges but our docs are quite bare. | 15:40 |
| samstav | a one-call plugin sounds pretty intelligent for a first iteration... | 15:40 |
| jasonpgignac | caleb_ I agree - in general, it might do good to have some loving given to the docs, add some guide-style work to provide a compelling introduction | 15:40 |
| zns | caleb_: how does that get published? | 15:40 |
| caleb_ | Who can get the docs in a better state? | 15:40 |
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| gondoi | i'll help wih docs | 15:41 |
| zns | caleb_: who can get our current docs pushed onto readthedocs.org? | 15:41 |
| jasonpgignac | I think we'd need to go beyond simply Python function docs, and write some hard narrative documentation if we're going to attract new users. | 15:41 |
| jasonpgignac | I can help with that. | 15:41 |
| zns | Is it automatic whenever we update our repo? | 15:41 |
| gusmaskowitz | I can do that | 15:41 |
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| caleb_ | zns: I setup an account on readthedocs. Its watching the repo and will auto update | 15:41 |
| walker_ | jasongignac: I think documenting how to use it should come before exposition | 15:42 |
| caleb_ | #action gusmaskowitz Update user documentation in satori/doc | 15:42 |
| walker_ | jasonpgignac ^ | 15:42 |
| zns | #action jasonpgignac will update docs for pypi and http://satori.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 15:42 |
| zns | Thanks jasonpgignac | 15:42 |
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| caleb_ | oh, I didn't see jasonpgignac volunteer | 15:42 |
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| caleb_ | and I didn't see gondoi either :\ | 15:42 |
| jasonpgignac | I did say I would help. I'm fine with that. | 15:42 |
| gondoi | :D | 15:43 |
| zns | gondoi actually volunteered first! | 15:43 |
| jasonpgignac | Life of an English major. *hand to forehead dramatically* | 15:43 |
| zns | Should I change the action to gondoi? | 15:43 |
| zns | #action gondoi will update docs for pypi and http://satori.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 15:43 |
| gondoi | I think you can list all users in one #action | 15:43 |
| samstav | re: "documenting how to use it should come before exposition" | 15:44 |
| zns | #action gusmaskowitz will update docs for pypi and http://satori.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 15:44 |
| samstav | should include tutorial through python api | 15:44 |
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| zns | There... I wonder what the bot output will look like at the end... | 15:44 |
| zns | samstav: I thought we had that in the read me... | 15:44 |
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| zns | maybe not... | 15:45 |
| jasonpgignac | I agree with samstav. | 15:45 |
| samstav | maybe I should do what the filename is telling me to do | 15:45 |
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| zns | samstav, jasonpgignac : when you say tutorial, are you thinking of just a sample on the read me or something more involved? Like docker.io?! | 15:45 |
| jasonpgignac | zns: Something along the lines of the guides one finds for Rails woudl be optimal in my mind. | 15:46 |
| samstav | Sorry, no. Just a snippet or two | 15:46 |
| zns | jasonpgignac: I'm not familiar with rails... sorry | 15:46 |
| jasonpgignac | http://guides.rubyonrails.org | 15:46 |
| zns | samstav: OK. That's what I'm thinking too. | 15:46 |
| jasonpgignac | Not, of course, this MUCH documentation at start, just in style. | 15:47 |
| jasonpgignac | API documentation is primarily useful for reference and task implementation. | 15:47 |
| jasonpgignac | Narrative documentation aids in slef-training and communicating interest | 15:47 |
| jasonpgignac | But that's just a proposal, of course, we don't have to. | 15:47 |
| caleb_ | Style? The OpenStack doc team already has common styles that we could leverage. | 15:47 |
| caleb_ | Also, the base theme for readthedocs looks pretty solid these days too. | 15:48 |
| zns | But for the first user release, I think something pretty short (like what's on http://satori.readthedocs.org/en/latest/) is ideal. | 15:48 |
| jasonpgignac | Alright | 15:48 |
| zns | caleb_: I like http://satori.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ too. Looks simple and clean. | 15:49 |
| samstav | I don't imagine there is enough code to exercise for something that extensive yet, anyhow. Just something in addition to CLI | 15:49 |
| caleb_ | Time check, we have 12 minutes left. There might be a meeting in this room at the top of the hour. | 15:49 |
| zns | OK. So for the user release we're going to implement system_info and basic (one pager) docs. Agreed? | 15:49 |
| zns | What about error handling? | 15:50 |
| jasonpgignac | #agreed On sysinfo and basic docs | 15:50 |
| zns | caleb_: thanks. We have one more topic, so I think we're good... | 15:50 |
| jasonpgignac | Error Handling: Early adopters/experimenters are likely used to stack traces, and may appreciate the extra info. | 15:51 |
| caleb_ | zns: Agreed. Not sure that trapping all errors are needed. | 15:51 |
| jasonpgignac | Unless we have known, true exceptions. | 15:51 |
| caleb_ | Some traces give decent feedback. | 15:51 |
| zns | Error handling? Any volunteers for making sure the CLI doesn't stack trace? | 15:51 |
| samstav | I'll take it, because I can break anything | 15:51 |
| zns | caleb_: yes, but maybe in --debug mode? I don't know that a user should get a stack trace. | 15:52 |
| caleb_ | zns: I'm not opinionated on error handling. I'm cool either way. | 15:52 |
| zns | #action samstav catch exceptions in CLI so we don't stack trace (consider --debug mode allowing exceptions through to allow for debugging) | 15:52 |
| zns | OK. Next (and last) topic | 15:53 |
| zns | #topic Keeping an eye on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PythonOpenStackSDK | 15:53 |
| caleb_ | samstav: Can you write a blueprint for that, too? | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keeping an eye on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PythonOpenStackSDK (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:53 | |
| samstav | 👍 | 15:53 |
| jasonpgignac | I believe on principal in failing noisily, but I am fine if the consensus disagrees | 15:53 |
| zns | caleb_: was that your topic? | 15:53 |
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| caleb_ | zns: Yes. The SDK discussion is a few weeks old. | 15:54 |
| caleb_ | Jesse Noller is beating this drum in the community | 15:54 |
| caleb_ | the desire is to create one common lib that interacts with all projects. | 15:54 |
| zns | I started implementing the nova instance detection with python-openstackclient, but it was not ready, so I switched back to python-novaclient. | 15:54 |
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| caleb_ | Most projects don't talk to each other directly so python-<project>client projects work well. Satori will obviously need to talk to them all. | 15:55 |
| caleb_ | I think we should watch the unified project and switch to it should it gain acceptance. | 15:55 |
| zns | I fear that python-openstackclient will be changing rapidly and we have a lot to get done. It feels like too much risk right now... MHO | 15:55 |
| caleb_ | However, relying on it right now is too risky. | 15:55 |
| zns | caleb_: +1 :-) | 15:56 |
| caleb_ | I'm going to follow the wiki page and try to keep track of the project's progress. | 15:56 |
| zns | 4 minutes remaining. If anyone has burning questions, start composing them? | 15:56 |
| caleb_ | That's it. | 15:56 |
| zns | caleb_: cool. Thanks. No action item? | 15:56 |
| caleb_ | zns: Nope. | 15:57 |
| jasonpgignac | #agreed monitor openstackclient and adopt as it grows in popularity | 15:57 |
| zns | #agreed monitor openstackclient and adopt as it grows in popularity | 15:57 |
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| zns | OK. Thank you all! See you next week... | 15:57 |
| zns | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 24 15:58:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-02-24-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-02-24-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-02-24-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 24 17:06:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:07 |
| sarob | Roll call | 17:07 |
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| sarob | #info developer guide structure pushed to trunk | 17:09 |
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| sarob | #info developer bootcamp will be pushed today | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | hi all | 17:09 |
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| sarob | #info infra moodle config due today | 17:10 |
| sarob | Hey there | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | Sorry I'm late | 17:10 |
| matjazp | traffic was awful | 17:10 |
| sarob | No prob | 17:10 |
| sarob | Looks like it's just us this time | 17:11 |
| matjazp | was here last week, but meeting was canceled | 17:11 |
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| sarob | Rest are late | 17:11 |
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| sarob | The other core has been busy | 17:11 |
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| sarob | Otherwise he would have run meet for us | 17:12 |
| sarob | #topic developer guide structure | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "developer guide structure (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:12 | |
| sarob | Have you had a chance to review | 17:13 |
| matjazp | I have to admit you guys were really busy--- project REALLY advanced since I last looked at it in october/november | 17:13 |
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| sarob | ;) | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | Too bad that I couldn't try these materials on my students | 17:13 |
| sarob | Have you seen the developer mindmap? | 17:13 |
| sarob | I ported it to a gdoc | 17:14 |
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| matjazp | Yes... I think we have to add some materials (or links to materials elswhere) for new developers | 17:14 |
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| dguitarbite_ | sarob: hey | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite_ | roll call? | 17:14 |
| sarob | And pushed the structure to HTML last night | 17:14 |
| sarob | Matjazp and sarob | 17:14 |
| sarob | On developer structure | 17:15 |
| sarob | Reviewed yet? | 17:15 |
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| dguitarbite_ | kool, cheers | 17:15 |
| matjazp | for example, If we want more student participating - they are usually not so experienced and need to be thought quite a bit more | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite_ | I have not yet seem HTML, but went through mindmap and gdoc | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite_ | looks good | 17:16 |
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| sarob | Yeah, loic has been working on that | 17:16 |
| sarob | Upstream university | 17:16 |
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| sarob | We're working on blending into developer guide | 17:17 |
| matjazp | aha, ok.. cool. Looking forward to see that. | 17:17 |
| sarob | Some of loic's notes in the gdoc | 17:18 |
| sarob | By this Monday we will have rough draft | 17:19 |
| sarob | Of developer guide content pushed | 17:19 |
| matjazp | I'll take a look.. so it should be available in HTML today? | 17:19 |
| dguitarbite_ | sarob: link to upsteam? | 17:20 |
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| sarob | The developer structure is already published | 17:21 |
| sarob | #link docs.openstack.org/training-guides | 17:21 |
| sarob | sarob #link http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides | 17:22 |
| matjazp | hmmm... under developer training guide there is some Operator content? | 17:23 |
| sarob | A bit | 17:23 |
| sarob | Diff focus | 17:23 |
| sarob | #link https://docs.google.com/a/yahoo-inc.com/document/d/1QiZ_PJTIFwKOmHPYhtez0TTEXHUb1r21OV0-PoNN45U/edit?usp=docslist_api | 17:24 |
| sarob | Shows the pyramid training structure | 17:25 |
| sarob | In graphic at the top of the page | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | hmm.. gdoc has Yahoo Guesthouse login? | 17:26 |
| sarob | ? | 17:27 |
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| sarob | Arrg hold on | 17:27 |
| smemon92 | sarob: Can you please allow me to see the doc ? | 17:27 |
| matjazp | when I click gdoc link, I get redirected to gh.bouncer.login.yahoo.com | 17:28 |
| sarob | Try again | 17:29 |
| sarob | Are you using matjaz.pancur@fri.uni-lj.si for gmail? | 17:30 |
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| smemon92 | Got it thank you | 17:30 |
| sarob | Smemon92 you are in | 17:30 |
| sarob | Morning Mestery | 17:30 |
| sarob | Morning colinmcnamara | 17:31 |
| smemon92 | sarob: yeah | 17:31 |
| mestery | sarob: Yo yo yo! | 17:31 |
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| matjazp | sarob: ok, got it now | 17:31 |
| colinmcnamara | morning morning | 17:31 |
| colinmcnamara | crap. I'm captain distracted now | 17:31 |
| sarob | Sweeet | 17:31 |
| colinmcnamara | i'm here | 17:31 |
| sarob | So the graphic at the top of the page | 17:31 |
| sarob | Shows the training structure Colin and I | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite_ | colinmcnamara: hi | 17:32 |
| sarob | Refined on last Friday | 17:32 |
| colinmcnamara | hi guys | 17:32 |
| matjazp | guys, I gotta go. I'll read meeting minutes later and I'll go over this new material. See you all later... | 17:32 |
| sarob | Cheers | 17:33 |
| matjazp | but, I have to say, these training gudes are progressing beautifully.. I wish I had this material last semester :) | 17:33 |
| sarob | To wrap up this topic | 17:34 |
| matjazp | bye | 17:34 |
| sarob | Developer guide structure was pushed to trunk | 17:34 |
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| sarob | As per gdoc | 17:34 |
| sarob | I added trello cards for sprint tasks | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite_ | ok, done porting | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite_ | or some work still remaining ? | 17:35 |
| sarob | I'm working on the condensed version, bootcamp today | 17:35 |
| sarob | The content needs to be pushed | 17:36 |
| sarob | Pick a card to | 17:36 |
| sarob | Yo that is | 17:36 |
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| dguitarbite_ | ok | 17:38 |
| sarob | #topic infra moodle | 17:38 |
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| dguitarbite_ | infra moodle looks good, infra guys are pretty happy to have moodle on infra | 17:39 |
| colinmcnamara | nice | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite_ | I'm working on puppet modules to push it | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite_ | so that we get it up asap | 17:39 |
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| dguitarbite_ | do you have a dead line for it ? | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite_ | it may take around 2-3 weeks as I need to get puppet modules to their standards | 17:40 |
| sarob | As soon as possible | 17:41 |
| sarob | On your sched | 17:41 |
| colinmcnamara | If you need help on those puppet modules | 17:41 |
| colinmcnamara | may be able to loop in a few ppl on my team | 17:41 |
| sarob | And matjaz has moodle experience | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite_ | sure, Ill ping you if I'm stuck | 17:42 |
| colinmcnamara | cool | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite_ | ok, is he a uni prof? | 17:42 |
| sarob | They use moodle for his univ that he teaches at | 17:42 |
| sarob | Yes | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite_ | ok | 17:42 |
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| sarob | Eastern Europe timezone | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite_ | since I'm writing the infra code, it will be very easy to tweak it as per our requirement :) | 17:43 |
| sarob | So prob closer to your hours | 17:43 |
| sarob | Cool | 17:43 |
| sarob | When first push you think? | 17:43 |
| sarob | You should do a unconference on moodle | 17:44 |
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| sarob | Guys still there? | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite_ | 14th April | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite_ | Moodle should be up by then | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite_ | pardon my ignorance ... what do you mean by unconference? | 17:46 |
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| sarob | Sorry | 17:46 |
| sarob | It's a openstack talk | 17:46 |
| sarob | That you schedule during the summit | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite_ | ok | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite_ | sure, Ive got some awesome feedback on moodle | 17:47 |
| sarob | Rather than the ones we are doing now | 17:47 |
| sarob | Late scheduled talks | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite_ | and about testing and QA for such an untraditional project ... | 17:47 |
| sarob | Sweet | 17:47 |
| sarob | I'd love to hear it | 17:47 |
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| sarob | Post some to the docs mailing list? | 17:48 |
| sarob | I've got to run | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite_ | yes | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite_ | same here... getting late. | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite_ | Ill try n get moodle on infra asap | 17:49 |
| sarob | Good night/morning | 17:49 |
| sarob | Okay | 17:49 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 24 17:49:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-02-24-17.06.html | 17:49 |
| dguitarbite_ | Good Night/Morning | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-02-24-17.06.txt | 17:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-02-24-17.06.log.html | 17:49 |
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| dguitarbite_ | we need to add a few more words to English addressing these timezone issues ;) | 17:49 |
| smemon92 | bye | 17:49 |
| dguitarbite_ | smemon92: bye | 17:49 |
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| jraim | #startmeeting barbican | 19:56 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 24 19:56:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jraim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:56 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 19:57 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 19:57 |
| jraim | alright, who all is around for the barbican meeting? | 19:57 |
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| hgedikli | i'm here | 19:57 |
| redrobot | o/ | 19:57 |
| reaperhulk | o/ | 19:57 |
| SheenaG___ | o/ | 19:57 |
| chadlung | o/ | 19:58 |
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| jraim | cool, let's give people a couple of minutes and we'll get started | 19:58 |
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| jvrbanac | o/ | 19:58 |
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| jraim | ok, it' | 19:59 |
| jraim | s five after | 20:00 |
| jraim | I think we can get rolling | 20:00 |
| woodster1 | o/ | 20:00 |
| reaperhulk | five after? What clock are you using. | 20:00 |
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| reaperhulk | it's exactly 2pm | 20:00 |
| jraim | really, my machine is saying 2:05 | 20:00 |
| jraim | weird | 20:00 |
| jraim | okay, I'll wait then :) | 20:00 |
| reaperhulk | Time to go ask about internal NTP :D | 20:00 |
| jraim | we probably just filtered it | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | #action jraim will check his clock | 20:02 |
| atiwari | jraim, any update on RSA/access key generation | 20:02 |
| atiwari | like link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/create-multi-part-rsa-secrets-with-order? | 20:03 |
| jraim | wow, I'm still getting network errors | 20:03 |
| atiwari | this the mu proposal | 20:03 |
| atiwari | my | 20:03 |
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| reaperhulk | Okay jraim is having technical difficulties so the terrible burden of running this meeting now falls to me | 20:05 |
| reaperhulk | Item the first! Barbican incubation status | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #topic incubation status | 20:05 |
| reaperhulk | chadlung, could you just give us a quick summary of what has happened since last week? | 20:05 |
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| reaperhulk | Thank you robot minion | 20:05 |
| chadlung | WE have two PRs open for DevStack #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74530/ #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70512/ | 20:06 |
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| chadlung | Both have been reviewed, not sure which will be merged first | 20:06 |
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| reaperhulk | I believe jraim is following up with the TC as well to make sure there's nothing else that has come up in the meantime. Is anyone aware of outstanding work remaining or are we just waiting now? | 20:07 |
| chadlung | We are just waiting and have been for a while. | 20:07 |
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| chadlung | Modifications to the one PR were done this past Friday, the other PR has been in there for a few weeks now | 20:07 |
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| reaperhulk | Just in time jraim_argh, we got a status update from chadlung on devstack/incubation stuff and our understanding is that we have no blockers on our end | 20:08 |
| jraim_argh | right, I think we just need to pink #infra to merge the change | 20:08 |
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| jraim_argh | and we should be good to go | 20:08 |
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| reaperhulk | Topic 2: RSA/key gen blueprints. atiwari has put up some thoughts and the rackspace team met late last week to talk a bit about it and put together some additional ideas. I believe that will be put up as a blueprint soon: woodster1, do you know when that might be ready? | 20:09 |
| woodster1 | I can put that up later today | 20:10 |
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| reaperhulk | atiwari, if that's up later today then we can use that to guide the conversation tomorrow/later this week and make sure we've covered your use cases. Does that sound fair? | 20:10 |
| atiwari | sure, this is kind of p0 for me. sooner the better | 20:11 |
| atiwari | :) | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | #action woodster1 to upload rsa keygen blueprint | 20:12 |
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| atiwari | one more thing I would like to bring here which I have added in #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/secret-isolation-at-user-level | 20:12 |
| atiwari | and wanted to know what you guys think about it | 20:13 |
| atiwari | thoughts? | 20:13 |
| jraim_argh | atiwari I'm fine with starting this conversation. As long as the auth/auth stays with keystone, I don't see an inherent problem | 20:14 |
| jraim_argh | we all want to be able to limit keys more than project/tenant | 20:14 |
| jraim_argh | for lots of reasons including agents | 20:14 |
| jraim_argh | so let's start talking about how to do that | 20:14 |
| atiwari | yes, jraim auth will be in keystone and authz will done by oslo policy | 20:14 |
| atiwari | great | 20:15 |
| atiwari | I will add my proposal in the bp | 20:15 |
| atiwari | sounds OK? | 20:15 |
| reaperhulk | Yep, I'm definitely interested in any proposal that involves leveraging existing openstack authn/authz to add user level RBAC for us :) | 20:15 |
| jraim_argh | yep, toss it up and we can start talking about it | 20:15 |
| woodster1 | agreed | 20:16 |
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| atiwari | awesome | 20:16 |
| reaperhulk | Any other business? | 20:16 |
| atiwari | are you guys are OK with API change to address this ? | 20:16 |
| atiwari | or rather let me add an etherpad with my proposals | 20:17 |
| jraim_argh | that's part of the conversation. I'd rather avoid anything breaking, but additional api options seems like it would be okay | 20:17 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:17 |
| jraim_argh | perfect | 20:18 |
| jraim_argh | alright, I might be missing more stuff, but anyone have anything else? | 20:21 |
| atiwari | not from my side | 20:21 |
| jraim_argh | alright, let's move back to #barbican | 20:21 |
| jraim | #endmeeting | 20:22 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-02-24-19.56.html | 20:22 |
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