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baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 25 13:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
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baoli | hello | 13:00 |
irenab | hi | 13:00 |
sadasu | hello | 13:01 |
baoli | Let's wait a couple of minutes for others to join | 13:02 |
irenab | good news for neutron, all general patches are merged | 13:02 |
irenab | baoli: ok | 13:02 |
sadasu | irenab, your vnic_type changes had merged yesterday thanks! | 13:02 |
sadasu | rkukura's vif_details also got merged yesterday | 13:03 |
irenab | also rkukura's patches are in from today | 13:03 |
irenab | also binding:profile | 13:03 |
sadasu | but I am not sure about binding:profile diffs | 13:03 |
sadasu | ok...cool | 13:03 |
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beagles | o/ | 13:05 |
irenab | I need to rework current Mellanox MD to support vnic_type and then back to generic parts for neutron pci_info,.. | 13:05 |
irenab | beagles:hi | 13:05 |
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sadasu | markmcclain, hi | 13:07 |
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sadasu | my BP for ML2 driver for ucs manager : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-ucs-manager-mechanism-driver | 13:08 |
sadasu | got moved to Juno inspite of posting WIP diffs | 13:08 |
sadasu | I was dependent on 3 BPs that were changing generic portbinding code | 13:09 |
sadasu | and I was dependent on that | 13:09 |
sadasu | they got mergerd yesterday | 13:09 |
sadasu | becuz of this i, can it be brought back to Icehouse? | 13:10 |
irenab | baoli: shall we start the meeting? | 13:10 |
baoli | irenab, yes, let's get started. | 13:11 |
sadasu | markmcclain, you here? | 13:11 |
sadasu | irenab, just hoping to get this clarified from markmcclain | 13:11 |
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baoli | sadasu, I saw the comments from markmcclain | 13:12 |
irenab | on current status, my understanding that neutron SRIOV MD parts can be worked out, since all generic parts are in | 13:12 |
baoli | I'd like to share some good news. | 13:12 |
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irenab | baoli: go ahead | 13:12 |
sadasu | waiting | 13:13 |
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baoli | Last night, I updated my WS and got Irenab's patch, and I manually merged rkukura's profile patch (which just got merged) | 13:14 |
baoli | together with my changes in the nova side, this is what I can do now: | 13:15 |
baoli | tag the whitelist with attributes, for example with "physical_network":"physnet1" | 13:15 |
baoli | create an instance with 'nova boot --nic port-id=' and 'nova boot --nic net-id=, vnic-type=' with SRIOV | 13:16 |
baoli | create an instance with macvtap | 13:16 |
baoli | create an instance with both pci alias (existing functionality) and sriov vnic in the same time | 13:16 |
sadasu | very cool | 13:17 |
baoli | The only thing that's missing in the picture is the vif_details which can only be set by the vendor MD | 13:17 |
sadasu | yes | 13:17 |
irenab | baoli: sounds great | 13:17 |
irenab | is 'nova boot --nic net-id=, vnic-type=' with SRIOV part of your code? | 13:17 |
irenab | did you manage to extend nova api? | 13:18 |
baoli | irenab, yes, I made that change as well | 13:18 |
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irenab | baoli: cool. When you will be ready to upload the changes? | 13:19 |
irenab | I think I can try to update the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74464/ to return vif_details in coming days | 13:19 |
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baoli | irenab, i'm planning to do it today or tomorrow. I need to remove some of the changes that enables it work on my testbed | 13:20 |
irenab | so we can try to check it end 2 end | 13:20 |
irenab | baoli:all heyongli's code is upstream? | 13:20 |
irenab | I mean, all the code you need to use | 13:20 |
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baoli | irenab, all I'm using is the code that is already merged | 13:21 |
irenab | baoli: good news indeed | 13:21 |
baoli | I will send you guys an email to provide instructions on how to use it | 13:22 |
irenab | waiting for the patch | 13:22 |
irenab | and email | 13:22 |
irenab | baoli: thanks! | 13:22 |
irenab | is there any update on documentation? | 13:22 |
baoli | irenab, my pleasure. | 13:22 |
sadasu | baoli, that is great progess..thanks | 13:22 |
baoli | sadasu, yes indeed. At lease, it would allow us to test individual md end to end | 13:23 |
beagles | great stuff! | 13:24 |
baoli | s/lease/least/ | 13:24 |
baoli | so stay tuned for the email and patch. | 13:25 |
baoli | last meeting, we were talking about the summit | 13:25 |
irenab | and documentation | 13:26 |
baoli | irenab, that's right | 13:26 |
baoli | documentation wise, shall we start with a summary on how we got here? | 13:27 |
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irenab | for summit, I think we need to make a list of what is still open or need to be coded to make it on summit agenda | 13:28 |
beagles | oh whoops.. that's my cue | 13:28 |
rkukura | Just joined - thought these meetings were on Thursday. Sorry! | 13:29 |
beagles | I didn't get as much time to work on this last week as I had hoped, so its still ongoing. I found a lot of info I was looking for in the google docs and past emails | 13:29 |
irenab | beagles: I think you better check with us, especially baoli for what is relevant | 13:29 |
beagles | irenab, good point | 13:30 |
irenab | rkukura: thanks for all patches. All are merged! | 13:30 |
beagles | I'll send a summary along with references via email for verification of relevance today | 13:31 |
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irenab | beagles: great | 13:31 |
baoli | rkukura, your binding:profile patch works for me. and Irenab's patch works great as well | 13:32 |
rkukura | baoli, irenab: glad to hear it | 13:33 |
baoli | rkukura, just recap. I have something working together with you guy's patches, and I will send an email and update the patch soon. | 13:33 |
baoli | rkukura, we are now talking about documentation and summit | 13:34 |
rkukura | I'll read the log afterwards. Thanks! | 13:34 |
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irenab | comming back to summit agenda, my feeling we need to define how the PCI resources are defined and requested for network will look like. It was mainly discussed during the initial PCI meetings, and no consensus was reached | 13:34 |
irenab | host aggreagates, PCI flavor, NIC Flavor,... | 13:35 |
baoli | irenab, that's right. So far, we have explored: pci group, nic flavor, pci flavor, host aggregates. | 13:36 |
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baoli | let's put them on the table: pros and cons, use cases, etc | 13:37 |
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irenab | baoli: good idea. Can you make some initial table, defining each option. We can update it | 13:39 |
baoli | irenab, sure. I can put it onto the meeting wiki, and people can start updating it. | 13:39 |
irenab | having it on the table, we can work on summit session content and maybe even POC to show | 13:40 |
baoli | irenab, sounds good. | 13:40 |
irenab | Another issue we discussed was neutron aware nova-scheduler | 13:41 |
baoli | irenab, I'm a little bit fussy about that. maybe you can give a description on that first. | 13:41 |
baoli | or you can add a section to the wiki for the idea. | 13:43 |
irenab | it was mainly driven by Ian, but I think rkukura may add more details, since it was also relevant for non SRIOV cases, on how to get VM on Host that has certain physicla networks available | 13:43 |
irenab | baoli: I'll take a look to find Ian's doc on this. | 13:43 |
baoli | irenab, sounds good. | 13:44 |
baoli | We touched upon the non SRIOV cases in past IRC meeting. I remember scheduling is not involved. rkukura can correct me. | 13:45 |
irenab | baoli: found the doc #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vadqmurlnlvZ5bv3BlUbFeXRS_wh-dsgi5plSjimWjU/edit | 13:46 |
irenab | there is a section for neutron aware scheduling | 13:46 |
rkukura | As I recall, all I had said on this was that there are other cases where nova's scheduling would need to take neutron into account - making sure there is connectivity, or trying to manage latency, etc. | 13:48 |
baoli | irenab, yes, I read that before. I'll read it again. | 13:48 |
irenab | I guess we need to validat the curent was to request vnic_type and tagging resources, and if its good enough, no additional scheduling enhancments are required | 13:48 |
irenab | svalidate the current way | 13:49 |
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baoli | irenab, in any case, we should think about it and see if we should do anything about it. | 13:49 |
irenab | need also work item for Horizon to make it possible to specify vnic_type | 13:50 |
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baoli | irenab, we have someone here to work on horizon. I can talk to him. But I think that it wouldn't make icehouse | 13:51 |
irenab | baoli: it can be great | 13:51 |
irenab | baoli, sadasu: question on port_state_up attribute | 13:53 |
irenab | How would you support the change of port_state_up without local neutron agent? | 13:53 |
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sadasu | I am stuck there too and exploring diff options | 13:54 |
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sadasu | MD will check with the actual device is one option | 13:55 |
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irenab | I am adding the agent anyway, need to see if you require one, it can be generic enough... | 13:55 |
sadasu | not sure if that will work or break anything | 13:55 |
baoli | irenab, do you mean the admin-state of the port? | 13:55 |
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irenab | baoli: exactly | 13:56 |
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irenab | rkukura: Do you know when design summit sessions should be proposed? | 13:57 |
sadasu | I don't think there is an issue with the work item itself | 13:57 |
baoli | before a neutron sriov port is bound to an instance, you can't admin down/up the sriov device, right? | 13:57 |
sadasu | except for this case, we don't need an agent at all | 13:57 |
rkukura | irenab: Not sure | 13:57 |
sadasu | hence my questions to rkukura about this a couple of weeks ago | 13:57 |
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baoli | we have a couple of minutes left. I need to move on to another meeting. So let's continue next week. | 13:59 |
irenab | I think we need to reach some level of understanding what is all required work for Juno time frame and prepare it to the summit, to get core's on it from the start. | 13:59 |
irenab | So let's do it next meeting | 13:59 |
baoli | Thanks everyone, and see you guys next week. | 13:59 |
sadasu | irenab, +1 | 14:00 |
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sadasu | thanks all | 14:00 |
irenab | thanks | 14:00 |
baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 25 14:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-25-13.00.html | 14:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-25-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-02-25-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
sadasu | irenab, lets continue agent discussion on the ML | 14:00 |
sc68cal | Good morning, who's ready for the ipv6 meeting? | 14:00 |
xuhanp | hello | 14:01 |
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sc68cal | ah, I'm on the wrong channel. :-\ | 14:01 |
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kgriffs | o/ | 16:07 |
kgriffs | Anyone here for Marconi meeting - we have a ton of people out at conferences and stuff today | 16:07 |
kgriffs | so, I think we will skip the meeting today | 16:07 |
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kgriffs | oops, heh, just realized I'm an hour off | 16:07 |
kgriffs | :p | 16:07 |
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sergmelikyan | o/ | 16:59 |
xwizard_ | hi | 16:59 |
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ativelkov | hi | 17:00 |
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ativelkov | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 25 17:00:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
ativelkov | Hi folks | 17:00 |
ativelkov | Any muranoers here? :) | 17:01 |
gokrokve | Hi! | 17:01 |
sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
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sergmelikyan | Hi, ativelkov | 17:02 |
ativelkov | not so many, but let's start anyway | 17:02 |
ativelkov | #topic AI review | 17:02 |
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ativelkov | Before we actually go into the AIs, I want to mention that we've got lots of extra activities related to incubation request preparation, and this took quite a lot of time | 17:03 |
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ativelkov | So, I expect some of the AIs to slip | 17:03 |
ativelkov | number 1: gokrokve to finalize MVP document | 17:04 |
gokrokve | I updated it. | 17:04 |
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ativelkov | Is it on google docs? | 17:04 |
tsufiev | hi! | 17:04 |
gokrokve | Pelase review | 17:04 |
gokrokve | Yes. | 17:04 |
ativelkov | Good. | 17:04 |
ativelkov | #info MVP updated, is on google docs. | 17:04 |
ruhe | gokrokve: can you share the link? | 17:04 |
ativelkov | I think we should transfer it to Wiki as a feature spec for 0.5 | 17:05 |
gokrokve | https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/11C-_StJzseeFnqIL1hGJ0cfoB0vBaKaBKQOiaJSlXpg/edit?usp=sharing | 17:05 |
ativelkov | actually, the second ai - "ativelkov to complete roadmap planning according to it" is exactly about that | 17:06 |
ruhe | gokrokve: it's protected, could you please change to more permissive mode? | 17:06 |
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ativelkov | We had a meeting discussing the roadmap, but could complete only DSL-related part | 17:07 |
ativelkov | the remaining requires some extra BPs to be created. I'll do it this week | 17:07 |
ativelkov | #action ativelkov to create the remaining blueprints targeting 0.5 | 17:08 |
gokrokve | ruhe: Try it now. I changed the access right. | 17:08 |
ativelkov | next ai, ativelkov publish the abstract on wiki. | 17:08 |
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ativelkov | We've chosen to initiate a broader discussion with community first | 17:08 |
ruhe | gokrokve: thank you. i can see it now | 17:08 |
ativelkov | So, the abstract was published in ML instead of wiki | 17:08 |
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ativelkov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027202.html | 17:09 |
ativelkov | and the second part | 17:09 |
ativelkov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027938.html | 17:09 |
ativelkov | More to follow | 17:09 |
ativelkov | When we complete the discussion and get all the possible feedback we'll summarize it on the wiki | 17:10 |
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ativelkov | We want to bring the idea to the widest possible audience, as our DSL approaches may be useful for other projects as well (solum is an example) | 17:10 |
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ativelkov | next ai, ativelkov, stanlagun move spec to wiki and reference in blueprints | 17:11 |
ativelkov | spec is transferred | 17:11 |
ativelkov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/DSL/Blueprint | 17:11 |
ativelkov | More BPs to come, as I already said | 17:11 |
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ativelkov | next (me again!): ativelkov research potential Marconi integration for Agent communications | 17:12 |
ativelkov | no progress yet | 17:12 |
tsufiev | isn't that too much for one man :)? | 17:13 |
ativelkov | Just got some feedback from Savanna team that this think does not support lots of needed features - but I don't have any details yet | 17:13 |
ativelkov | tsufiev: well, you can volunteer to take some AIs from me )) | 17:13 |
ativelkov | and the last one: to schedule a meeting with Dmitry Mescheryakov to discuss agent messaging. | 17:14 |
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_dim | Hi | 17:15 |
ativelkov | My fault: I didn't do that. We had some discussions in general chat on this topic though | 17:15 |
ativelkov | _dim: hi | 17:15 |
tsufiev | ativelkov: I could look into Marconi before main UI development is on pause | 17:15 |
tsufiev | i mean, before it is fully started | 17:16 |
ativelkov | tsufiev: thanks. Don't invest too much time though, we jsut need to have an overall understanding if it is suitable for us in long-term perspective | 17:16 |
tsufiev | ok | 17:16 |
ativelkov | #action tsufiev to look at Marconi (low priority task) | 17:16 |
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ativelkov | Seems we are out of AIs ) | 17:17 |
ativelkov | Moving to the next item | 17:17 |
ativelkov | BTW, the agenda is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:17 |
ativelkov | I think I forgot to link it at the meeting start | 17:17 |
ativelkov | #topic DSL status | 17:18 |
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ativelkov | stanlagun, who is one of the main drivers for the new DSL, is absent today | 17:18 |
ativelkov | so it seems like I'll give a quick update and will try to answer some questions if they are asked | 17:19 |
ativelkov | Stan will give more details when he returns | 17:19 |
ativelkov | So, we've finailized the proposal | 17:19 |
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ativelkov | The links have already been given | 17:20 |
ativelkov | But just in case I'll repeat them | 17:20 |
ativelkov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/DSL/Blueprint - general DSL description | 17:20 |
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ativelkov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027202.html - DSL abstract | 17:20 |
ativelkov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027938.html - object oriented concept | 17:20 |
ativelkov | If anybody have any questions on this concepts - it may be a good time to ask them here and now :) | 17:21 |
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ativelkov | No questions I think ) | 17:22 |
ativelkov | Well, then we'll continue in the ML, but that will be much slower | 17:22 |
ativelkov | next topic | 17:22 |
ativelkov | #topic Oslo.messaging status | 17:22 |
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ativelkov | sergmelikyan: can you give an update? | 17:23 |
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sergmelikyan | I have completed patches related to migration to oslo.messaging - all communications between API and Conductor are now going through oslo.messaging | 17:25 |
gokrokve | Cool!!! | 17:25 |
sergmelikyan | Changes are not merged yet - some issues with tests in conductor | 17:25 |
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ativelkov | sergmelikyan: will oslo.messaging-based communications use default openstack's messaging infrustructure service? | 17:26 |
sergmelikyan | ativelkov, mmm& | 17:26 |
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sergmelikyan | Please, could you explain what do you mean? | 17:27 |
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ativelkov | I mean, by default openstack uses rabbit for inter-service communications, right? | 17:27 |
ativelkov | willl we use the same instance of rabbit in this case? | 17:28 |
sergmelikyan | ativelkov, it is solely related how Murano is deployed | 17:28 |
ativelkov | Well, what is the suggested way then? | 17:28 |
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sergmelikyan | ativelkov, as you said, actually. | 17:29 |
sergmelikyan | We need to integrate approach mentioned by you in MOST 5 | 17:29 |
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ativelkov | Well, that's up to the MOST team. We should collaborate with them | 17:29 |
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ativelkov | BTW, can you provide a link to your changeset? | 17:30 |
sergmelikyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:migrate/oslo.messaging,n,z | 17:30 |
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ativelkov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:migrate/oslo.messaging,n,z | 17:30 |
ativelkov | Good, thanks | 17:30 |
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ativelkov | One more question: what about conductor<->agent communications? | 17:31 |
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sergmelikyan | We will migrate from Puka library to Kombu, but leave them as is for now. | 17:33 |
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ativelkov | So, this will be rabbit-only (no other messaging providers)? | 17:33 |
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sergmelikyan | Investigation about Marconi is one of the future plans in Murano components communication redesign | 17:33 |
sergmelikyan | ativelkov, yes | 17:33 |
ativelkov | I see. Well, anyway that is already a very good progress towards unification and openstack-compliance | 17:34 |
sergmelikyan | But since it is may be private RabbitMq instance, not related to one that used by OpenStack, it is not so bad | 17:34 |
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ativelkov | I would even say that it SHOULD be private rabbit instance | 17:34 |
ativelkov | otherwise it may compromise the security | 17:35 |
ativelkov | So, the next one | 17:35 |
ativelkov | #topic Incubation Request status | 17:35 |
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ativelkov | gokrokve: this one is on you. Could you please provide an update? | 17:35 |
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gokrokve | We sent the incubation request. Right now there is a discussion time in the community. | 17:38 |
gokrokve | Probably next week Murano will be reviewed on TC meeting | 17:39 |
ativelkov | Could you link the ML thread? | 17:39 |
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ativelkov | Meanwhile, this the etherpad where we track the status of our complieance with formal requuirements | 17:41 |
ativelkov | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-incubation-status | 17:41 |
ativelkov | We'll need to update it | 17:41 |
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gokrokve | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027736.html | 17:42 |
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ativelkov | #action ativelkov to update the incubation statuspad | 17:42 |
ativelkov | thanks gokrokve | 17:42 |
ativelkov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027736.html - incubation request | 17:42 |
ativelkov | (just for MM) | 17:42 |
ativelkov | So, is that all related to our incubation request for now? | 17:43 |
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ativelkov | that, it is time for open discussion | 17:44 |
ativelkov | #topic open discussion | 17:44 |
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ativelkov | Any topics to discuss? | 17:44 |
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ativelkov | If no, then let's wrap up for today | 17:46 |
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gokrokve | There will be a TC meeting at 12AM | 17:46 |
ativelkov | Today? | 17:46 |
gokrokve | not for Murano but it will be greate it someone participate | 17:47 |
gokrokve | yes today | 17:47 |
ativelkov | I will not make it today | 17:47 |
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ativelkov | gokrokve: will you have a timeslot for this? Its in your timezone | 17:48 |
gokrokve | I will be here for sure. | 17:48 |
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ativelkov | We'll, I'll try to join, but it would be hard: have to wake up very early tomorrow | 17:50 |
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ativelkov | Anything else? | 17:50 |
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ativelkov | Then thanks everyone for joining | 17:51 |
ativelkov | #endmeeting | 17:51 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 25 17:51:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-02-25-17.00.html | 17:51 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-02-25-17.00.txt | 17:51 |
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thinrichs | Hi all. Is anyone here for the Congress meeting? | 17:59 |
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thinrichs | Last week we decided to change the time to an hour earlier in a different room (openstack-meeting-3), but no one showed up, so I'm assuming they forgot. | 17:59 |
thinrichs | This is our old slot, and I promised I would hang around to see if anyone showed up. | 18:00 |
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thinrichs | I'll go ahead and start the meeting so it doesn't appear that we're still having the Murano meeting. | 18:02 |
thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 18:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 25 18:02:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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thinrichs | #endmeeting | 18:41 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 25 18:41:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:41 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-02-25-18.02.html | 18:41 |
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matty_dubs | TripleO meeting? | 19:00 |
jdob | o/ | 19:00 |
matty_dubs | \o | 19:00 |
marios | o/ | 19:00 |
d0ugal | \o/ | 19:01 |
lsmola_ | hello | 19:01 |
shadower | hey | 19:01 |
jistr | hi | 19:01 |
greghaynes | O/ | 19:01 |
jomara | \\\\\\\p | 19:01 |
pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
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lifeless | o. | 19:02 |
lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:02 |
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openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 25 19:02:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
bnemec | o/ | 19:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:02 |
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lifeless | good morning everyone | 19:02 |
akrivoka | hi | 19:02 |
rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:02 |
ifarkas | hello | 19:02 |
d0ugal | Morning | 19:02 |
jomara | ahoy | 19:02 |
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SpamapS | o/ | 19:03 |
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lsmola_ | good morning | 19:03 |
dprince_ | morning | 19:03 |
lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:03 |
slagle | hello | 19:03 |
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lifeless | bugs | 19:03 |
lifeless | reviews | 19:03 |
lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:03 |
lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:03 |
lifeless | CI virtualized testing progress | 19:03 |
lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:03 |
lifeless | open discussion | 19:03 |
lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:03 |
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lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:03 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:03 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:03 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:03 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:03 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:03 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar-ui | 19:04 |
lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:04 |
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lifeless | hmm, sthould remove -ui from there, its now a horizon problem ;) | 19:04 |
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lsmola_ | :-) | 19:04 |
lifeless | ok, so lets see | 19:05 |
lifeless | we're drowning in criticals | 19:05 |
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lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1270646 | 19:05 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1271344 | 19:06 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1272803 | 19:06 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1272969 | 19:06 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1278861 | 19:06 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1280941 | 19:06 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1283921 | 19:06 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1284054 | 19:06 |
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lifeless | and we've got untriaged! | 19:06 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1277168 | 19:07 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1279537 | 19:07 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1281174 | 19:07 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1281702 | 19:07 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1281705 | 19:07 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1281719 | 19:07 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1281977 | 19:07 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1284242 | 19:07 |
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lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1272605 | 19:07 |
lifeless | much wow | 19:07 |
jcoufal | o/ hey guys | 19:07 |
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lifeless | jcoufal: ola! | 19:09 |
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lifeless | ok so untriaged: I think we need to all jointly commit to doing 1hr of bug triage a week | 19:10 |
lifeless | and this will be all sorted next week with no stress | 19:10 |
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lifeless | can anyone *not* make such a commitment ? | 19:10 |
SpamapS | well I just +A'd the fix for 1284054 | 19:10 |
SpamapS | bug 1284054 I should say | 19:10 |
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SpamapS | lifeless: +1 for the bug triage. I've always found it quite useful to have a specific day in the week that is "my bug triage day" so that I just know when that 1 hour will happen. | 19:12 |
dprince_ | fine | 19:12 |
tchaypo | I can do that, but I'm going to need some hand-holding | 19:12 |
jistr | i have e-mail notifications on tuskar and tuskarclient bugs and usually i just triage as they come | 19:13 |
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bnemec | My bug triage hour is usually right now. ;-) | 19:13 |
SpamapS | tchaypo: As Stevie Wonder said.. "Do allll that you caaaan" | 19:13 |
lsmola_ | trying to do that, at least on tuskar :-) | 19:14 |
lifeless | jistr: so that good, but like review please share the load with the rest of the team | 19:14 |
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lifeless | jistr: so put aside time after a coffee break one day and look at all the tripleo projects for untriaged bugs | 19:14 |
lifeless | untriaged == no priority and status != triaged | 19:15 |
lifeless | [ignoring in-progress and fix committed of course] | 19:15 |
jdob | thats a good idea for the e-mail notification, I didn't realize it supported that | 19:15 |
ccrouch | lifeless: is there no way to generate a single query? | 19:16 |
lifeless | ccrouch: we have canned queries on the wiki page I believe | 19:16 |
jistr | lifeless: i don't have 100% confidence in my ability to correctly triage bugs on non-tuskar projects, so that's why i don't do it much, but i'll try | 19:16 |
lifeless | ccrouch: but no, not across multiple projects | 19:16 |
ccrouch | ah ok | 19:16 |
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d0ugal | Can only core do full triage? I noticed I can't set some of the values | 19:17 |
lifeless | jistr: can you tell 'omg this shouldn't happen' from 'it might be nice if?' :) | 19:17 |
lifeless | jistr: thats really all it takes | 19:17 |
jistr | yeah i hope so ;) | 19:17 |
lifeless | d0ugal: there is a team on launchpad - ~tripleo - request membership of that | 19:17 |
lifeless | tchaypo: ^ you too | 19:17 |
d0ugal | lifeless: aha, will do. Thanks. | 19:17 |
tchaypo | do we try to reproduce or confirm the problem during triage? | 19:17 |
lifeless | tchaypo: use your own judgement | 19:17 |
greghaynes | lifeless: I think we still have some people with membership pending, fyi | 19:17 |
lifeless | I will check post meeting | 19:18 |
lifeless | so these criticals | 19:18 |
tchaypo | Team request made | 19:18 |
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lifeless | the PMTU one I think we probably need to put a ethtool -K gro off in automatically, drop the bug to high and pursue out of band | 19:18 |
lifeless | the leases one neutron are pursuing, but the undefined priority there makes me cry | 19:19 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1272803 is low hanging fruit for someone interested | 19:19 |
lifeless | just make a new internal interface rather than reusing the mac of the bridge | 19:19 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1272969 dprince_'s work will solve | 19:20 |
lifeless | jistr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1278861 - any additional news on that ? | 19:20 |
jistr | lifeless: not beyond what Dmitri posted... i'm reprovisioning my lab machine now so i'll try to run as non-root and we'll see | 19:21 |
lifeless | jistr: I think we should downgrade this - CI is working [there's a different failure right now but we had three-green-bars yesterday] | 19:22 |
lifeless | jistr: so its not systemic | 19:22 |
jistr | lifeless: +1 | 19:22 |
lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1280941 we need to back out our workaround and then its done | 19:22 |
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lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1283921 I think we landed my proposed patch | 19:22 |
lifeless | but we haven't followed up to see if the life cycle is managed properly | 19:23 |
lifeless | I'm inclined to close it and wait and see | 19:23 |
lifeless | we know we need to do more work on migrations as we finish the HA arc | 19:23 |
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lifeless | thoughts? | 19:23 |
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lifeless | ok, silence == assent ;P | 19:24 |
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lifeless | and SpamapS says he +A'd https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1284054 | 19:24 |
lifeless | ok, any other bug stuff? | 19:25 |
SpamapS | lifeless: it had a Partial-Bug tag.. I think we should drop it to High since this workaround mitigates the impact | 19:25 |
lifeless | SpamapS: # ? | 19:25 |
SpamapS | bug #1284054 | 19:25 |
SpamapS | We still go too slow. | 19:25 |
lifeless | #action all tripleo devs to do 1hr bug triage a week, random offsets. | 19:26 |
SpamapS | We just wait longer now | 19:26 |
lifeless | sure | 19:26 |
lifeless | though I suspect folk will perf optimise independently | 19:26 |
lifeless | I'd be inclined to just close it | 19:26 |
lifeless | up to you! | 19:26 |
lifeless | any other bug stuff to discuss? | 19:27 |
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lifeless | ok | 19:28 |
lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:28 |
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lifeless | I'm going to resume my monthly reviewer summaries now that we're all well and truely back from holidays | 19:28 |
lifeless | current status | 19:29 |
lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:29 |
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lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:29 |
lifeless | Average wait time: 4 days, 1 hours, 33 minutes | 19:29 |
lifeless | Median wait time: 3 days, 19 hours, 16 minutes | 19:29 |
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lifeless | we're letting ourselves down - thats a long time to be waiting for feedback on a branch | 19:29 |
SpamapS | lifeless: I've seen a lot more operational focus lately, I don't think we've been focused on reviews. | 19:30 |
lifeless | longest review is up at 6 days | 19:30 |
lifeless | there are 9 people in cd-admins, and ~20 in the review team. | 19:30 |
lifeless | SpamapS: so while cd-admins can be affected by that, it doesn't cover the whole team. | 19:31 |
lifeless | SpamapS: not by a long shot. | 19:31 |
SpamapS | so reviewers are just not doing enough reviews | 19:31 |
lifeless | I'd say so | 19:31 |
lifeless | reviews are how we scale development bandwidth | 19:31 |
SpamapS | actually yeah.. I'm at the top for 30 days.. and I KNOW I haven't been doing enough | 19:32 |
lifeless | they are more critical than bug fixing | 19:32 |
lifeless | because they actually *deliver the code to users* | 19:32 |
SpamapS | I'm not so much seeing bug fixing as testing and using. | 19:32 |
SpamapS | the non admins.. I don't know whats up with that. | 19:32 |
lifeless | I'm not interested in singling individuals out as not reviewing enough - this is a team wide challenge. | 19:32 |
slagle | the CI jobs are slowing reviews down | 19:32 |
SpamapS | but admins are also the most active reviewers | 19:32 |
slagle | not that we shouldn't be doing CI, but it's a data point to consider | 19:33 |
lifeless | slagle: you can still -1 or +2 based on the code. | 19:33 |
lifeless | slagle: the only thing CI affects is +A. | 19:33 |
slagle | ok, i've been -1'ing still | 19:33 |
slagle | but, i've been holding off on the +2 as well | 19:33 |
slagle | it doesn't "look good to me" if jenkins hasn't run yet | 19:34 |
lifeless | of the 4 oldest reviews 3 have on one +2, the last has +A but depends on a patch with two -1s from non-core | 19:34 |
slagle | but, if the pattern is to still +2, i can start doing so | 19:34 |
lifeless | both -1's which the author (me) disagreed with. | 19:34 |
lifeless | I think cores need to review things with -1's on them, at least far enough to detect this sort of thing | 19:35 |
SpamapS | With the pipeline length we have... CI would have to be DAYS behind before it blocks a reviewer. | 19:35 |
lifeless | slagle: Here's my thought on the +2 thing - say you upload something, and two people +2 it then CI passes, I think the author could +A reasonably. | 19:35 |
SpamapS | I review everything, even if it has -2's | 19:35 |
lifeless | slagle: what do you think ? | 19:35 |
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slagle | wfm | 19:36 |
lifeless | slagle: [without invoking any of our special clauses about jointly edited patches, CD features etc] | 19:36 |
lifeless | ok | 19:36 |
lifeless | so | 19:36 |
lifeless | #action pick up the game on reviews everyone. EVERYONE. | 19:36 |
lifeless | #info +2 is ok even when CI hasn't checked in yet. | 19:37 |
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lifeless | SpamapS: sadface, I was trying to avoid that framing of the problem. | 19:37 |
SpamapS | haha I'm kidding. :) | 19:37 |
lifeless | seriously, its a jointly affected, jointly solved issue | 19:37 |
lifeless | we have to want it. | 19:37 |
SpamapS | Not reviewing means your own patches sit longer. | 19:38 |
SpamapS | I get it. :) | 19:38 |
lifeless | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:38 |
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rpodolyaka1 | I can take. not a problem | 19:38 |
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lifeless | awesome | 19:38 |
lifeless | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:38 |
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lifeless | dprince_: RH region status? | 19:38 |
dprince_ | lifeless: still fleshing out NW access. More good progress today. I expect full access for everyone this week I think | 19:39 |
lifeless | awesome | 19:39 |
lifeless | HP region status: | 19:39 |
lifeless | we've got a bad node running the ci overcloud, which is a problem | 19:40 |
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lifeless | may be as simple as a BIOS firmware upgrade though - firedrill card open in trello | 19:40 |
lifeless | we have about 25% capacity bad in some way, an HP tripleo-cd-admin needs to take ownership of going through all the machines listed bad, opening JIRA tickets and sheparding them through | 19:41 |
tchaypo | JIRA my old friend, we meet again | 19:41 |
lifeless | ng and spamaps have done a chunk of work here but its not finished | 19:41 |
lifeless | I'd like to say any HP person, but reality is that without access to the machines to test etc it would be very hard. | 19:42 |
lifeless | the cd-undercloud network card seems to be glitching again; our old friend mellanox | 19:42 |
lifeless | thats about it | 19:42 |
lifeless | #topic CI | 19:42 |
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lifeless | so we've had an exciting week | 19:43 |
lifeless | we're back with check jobs | 19:43 |
lifeless | and yesterday they were all passing | 19:43 |
lifeless | OMG | 19:43 |
rpodolyaka1 | \o/ | 19:43 |
lifeless | one thing that became clear last week, I want to reinforce here | 19:43 |
lifeless | tripleo-cd-admins - this is a production quality admin team: we're on the hook for treating CD-undercloud, CD-overcloud and CI-overcloud failures as production failures | 19:44 |
lifeless | we've got enough folk to do follow the sun | 19:44 |
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lifeless | its a volunteer team | 19:44 |
lifeless | but | 19:44 |
lifeless | IMO | 19:44 |
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lifeless | if you're in the team, it requires commitment - specifically if it breaks (e.g. if infra go 'wtf this region is down') we need to drop anything else and fix it | 19:45 |
lifeless | if that happens a lot, its in our power to correct it (e.g. more HA, take servers out of rotation, fix bugs in the code) | 19:45 |
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lifeless | So - I'm going to call a vote of the cd-admins folk here: does this all make sense | 19:46 |
lifeless | remember - tripleo-cloud/tripleo-cd-admins in incubator is the list of admins | 19:46 |
dprince_ | lifeless: yes | 19:46 |
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lifeless | #vote does cd-admins membership imply production quality respones to everyone? | 19:47 |
lifeless | erm, I hope that calls a vote :P | 19:47 |
SpamapS | +1 | 19:47 |
lifeless | #startvote does cd-admins membership imply production quality respones to everyone? | 19:47 |
SpamapS | ? | 19:47 |
openstack | Begin voting on: does cd-admins membership imply production quality respones to everyone? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 19:47 |
openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:47 |
greghaynes | Yes | 19:47 |
SpamapS | #vote Yes | 19:47 |
greghaynes | ah | 19:47 |
lifeless | #vote yes | 19:47 |
greghaynes | #vote Yes | 19:47 |
slagle | #vote Yes | 19:47 |
lifeless | greghaynes: you're not an admin, but thanks :P | 19:47 |
dprince_ | lifeless: +1 (when I'm online I'll help) | 19:47 |
greghaynes | :p | 19:47 |
tchaypo | lifeless: I'm happy to volunteer for the team, but I don't think I can be very useful just yet | 19:47 |
slagle | i'm going to ask an embarrasing question though | 19:48 |
lifeless | tchaypo: read ttripleo-cloud/README.md | 19:48 |
slagle | where are the ci clouds documented? | 19:48 |
slagle | we have TripleOCloud on the wiki | 19:48 |
slagle | that pertains only to the CD cloud does it not? | 19:48 |
lifeless | slagle: tripleo-cloud/README.md + https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/TripleOCloud (linked from the README) + https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/TripleOCloud/Regions (linked from the first wiki page) | 19:49 |
lifeless | slagle: we probably need more CI-overcloud docs! | 19:49 |
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lifeless | slagle: plus the admin spreadsheet with network ranges, passwords etc. | 19:49 |
lifeless | #endvote | 19:49 |
openstack | Voted on "does cd-admins membership imply production quality respones to everyone?" Results are | 19:49 |
slagle | ah, ok the spreadsheet | 19:49 |
slagle | b/c i dont see any ci hostnames on that wiki page | 19:50 |
lifeless | slagle: the spreadsheet is linked from the wiki pages | 19:50 |
slagle | got it, will check it out | 19:50 |
lifeless | dprince_: ok, so on contacting us. I'd like to explore us sharing phone numbers to permit follow-the-sun handoffs even if folk are offline (e.g. I'm not going to keep poking at servers at 11pm when e.g. derekh or ng are awake and much more compos mentis | 19:51 |
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lifeless | dprince_: I'll send mail to the list for that though, I think it needs everyone to be involved - consensus discussion | 19:51 |
lifeless | #action lifeless to mail list about tripleo-cd-admins vote + contact-options topic | 19:51 |
lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:52 |
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tchaypo | I'm hoping to finagle a vpn token and cert from the office at rhodes today, at which point I'll be able to read my work email, which will be exciting | 19:53 |
jistr | lifeless: i didn't catch the discussion but i heard a rumor that you picked up extraction of overcloud init from devtest into a separate library that tuskar api could use. Is that right? | 19:54 |
SpamapS | tchaypo: woohoo :) | 19:55 |
lifeless | jistr: I've committed to bootstrapping that this week yes | 19:55 |
lifeless | jistr: long as the clouds we're running stay up | 19:55 |
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lifeless | does anyone know how multi region keystone is meant to work | 19:56 |
lifeless | like | 19:56 |
lifeless | do we run two keystones each with the other's services registered and round-robin DNS ? | 19:56 |
lifeless | or do we run one globally distributed keystone ? | 19:56 |
lifeless | I mean - we'll have two underclouds soon, which should be separate but the overcloud should present a single multi region cloud to user, no ? | 19:57 |
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SpamapS | lifeless: I had always thought it was achieved using shared users/catalogs, but not tokens basically. | 19:57 |
jistr | lifeless: re the general stuff: sounds good, thanks. I just wanted to check on a rough ETA. (re keystone i don't know :) ) | 19:57 |
jdob | lifeless: is there a kickoff of sorts on monday morning for the meetup? | 19:58 |
lifeless | jistr: I'm going to get a separate tree together, move stuff across into it untangling deps as needed, make it pip installable, and then say 'here, add what you need on top into this thing' :) | 19:58 |
lifeless | jdob: yes, on monday we run around going wtf are we going to be. | 19:58 |
jistr | lifeless: cool :) | 19:58 |
jdob | awesome. what time do the festivities begin? | 19:58 |
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lifeless | jdob: 0900 :P | 19:59 |
lifeless | hopefully y! will have some news, or cody-somerville may pull a wabbit out of a hat | 19:59 |
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matty_dubs | Oh, and do we just show up at the HP office and say "We're here for the TripleO meeting?" | 19:59 |
slagle | it appears we might not have a room monday | 19:59 |
jdob | sounds good. and once again let me thank you for saving me from the miserable NJ winter and giving me cause to got to Sunnyvale | 19:59 |
lsmola_ | lol | 19:59 |
matty_dubs | LOL, jdob++ | 19:59 |
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slagle | matty_dubs: you could do that, but you'd be in the wrong place | 20:00 |
slagle | it's at the Yahoo office | 20:00 |
rpodolyaka1 | :) | 20:00 |
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matty_dubs | slagle: I guess I will just follow you Monday morning. ;) | 20:00 |
SpamapS | matty_dubs: If you're at the Wild Palms, you can just follow the nerd herd onto the shuttles ;) | 20:00 |
matty_dubs | Ooh, I am. Sounds like a plan! | 20:01 |
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lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 25 20:01:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-02-25-19.02.html | 20:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-02-25-19.02.txt | 20:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-02-25-19.02.log.html | 20:01 |
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jistr | kthxbai | 20:02 |
lsmola_ | have a good night | 20:02 |
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rpodolyaka1 | night! | 20:03 |
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ifarkas | good night! | 20:03 |
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