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baoli#startmeeting PCI Passthrough13:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 25 13:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough'13:00
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baolihello13:00
irenabhi13:00
sadasuhello13:01
baoliLet's wait a couple of minutes for others to join13:02
irenabgood news for neutron, all general patches are merged13:02
irenabbaoli: ok13:02
sadasuirenab, your vnic_type changes had merged yesterday thanks!13:02
sadasurkukura's vif_details also got merged yesterday13:03
irenabalso rkukura's patches are in from  today13:03
irenabalso binding:profile13:03
sadasubut I am not sure about binding:profile diffs13:03
sadasuok...cool13:03
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beagleso/13:05
irenabI need to rework current Mellanox MD to support vnic_type and then back to generic parts for neutron pci_info,..13:05
irenabbeagles:hi13:05
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sadasumarkmcclain, hi13:07
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sadasumy BP for ML2 driver for ucs manager : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-ucs-manager-mechanism-driver13:08
sadasugot moved to Juno inspite of posting WIP diffs13:08
sadasuI was dependent on 3 BPs that were changing generic portbinding code13:09
sadasuand I was dependent on that13:09
sadasuthey got mergerd yesterday13:09
sadasubecuz of this i, can it be brought back to Icehouse?13:10
irenabbaoli: shall we start the meeting?13:10
baoliirenab, yes, let's get started.13:11
sadasumarkmcclain, you here?13:11
sadasuirenab, just hoping to get this clarified from markmcclain13:11
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baolisadasu, I saw the comments from markmcclain13:12
irenabon current status, my understanding that neutron SRIOV MD parts can be worked out, since all generic parts are in13:12
baoliI'd like to share some good news.13:12
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irenabbaoli: go ahead13:12
sadasuwaiting13:13
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baoliLast night, I updated my WS and got Irenab's patch, and I manually merged rkukura's profile patch (which just got merged)13:14
baolitogether with my changes in the nova side, this is what I can do now:13:15
baolitag the whitelist with attributes, for example with "physical_network":"physnet1"13:15
baolicreate an instance with 'nova boot --nic port-id=' and 'nova boot --nic net-id=, vnic-type=' with SRIOV13:16
baolicreate an instance with macvtap13:16
baolicreate an instance with both pci alias (existing functionality) and sriov vnic in the same time13:16
sadasuvery cool13:17
baoliThe only thing that's missing in the picture is the vif_details which can only be set by the vendor MD13:17
sadasuyes13:17
irenabbaoli: sounds great13:17
irenabis 'nova boot --nic net-id=, vnic-type=' with SRIOV part of your code?13:17
irenabdid you manage to extend nova api?13:18
baoliirenab, yes, I made that change as well13:18
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irenabbaoli: cool. When you will be ready to upload the changes?13:19
irenabI think I can try to update the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74464/ to return vif_details in coming days13:19
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baoliirenab, i'm planning to do it today or tomorrow. I need to remove some of the changes that enables it work on my testbed13:20
irenabso we can try to check it end 2 end13:20
irenabbaoli:all heyongli's code is upstream?13:20
irenabI mean, all the code you need to use13:20
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baoliirenab, all I'm using is the code that is already merged13:21
irenabbaoli: good news indeed13:21
baoliI will send you guys an email to provide instructions on how to use it13:22
irenabwaiting for the patch13:22
irenaband email13:22
irenabbaoli: thanks!13:22
irenabis there any update on documentation?13:22
baoliirenab, my pleasure.13:22
sadasubaoli, that is great progess..thanks13:22
baolisadasu, yes indeed. At lease, it would allow us to test individual md end to end13:23
beaglesgreat stuff!13:24
baolis/lease/least/13:24
baoliso stay tuned for the email and patch.13:25
baolilast meeting, we were talking about the summit13:25
irenaband documentation13:26
baoliirenab, that's right13:26
baolidocumentation wise, shall we start with a summary on how we got here?13:27
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irenabfor summit, I think we need to make a list of what is still open or need to be coded to make it on summit agenda13:28
beaglesoh whoops.. that's my cue13:28
rkukuraJust joined - thought these meetings were on Thursday. Sorry!13:29
beaglesI didn't get as much time to work on this last week as I had hoped, so its still ongoing. I found a lot of info I was looking for in the google docs and  past emails13:29
irenabbeagles: I think you better check with us, especially baoli for what is relevant13:29
beaglesirenab, good point13:30
irenabrkukura: thanks for all patches. All are merged!13:30
beaglesI'll send a summary along with references via email for verification of relevance today13:31
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irenabbeagles: great13:31
baolirkukura, your binding:profile patch works for me. and Irenab's patch works great as well13:32
rkukurabaoli, irenab: glad to hear it13:33
baolirkukura, just recap. I have something working together with you guy's patches, and I will send an email and update the patch soon.13:33
baolirkukura, we are now talking about documentation and summit13:34
rkukuraI'll read the log afterwards. Thanks!13:34
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irenabcomming back to summit agenda, my feeling we need to define how the PCI resources are defined and requested for network will look like. It was mainly discussed during the initial PCI meetings, and no consensus was reached13:34
irenabhost aggreagates, PCI flavor, NIC Flavor,...13:35
baoliirenab, that's right. So far, we have explored: pci group, nic flavor, pci flavor, host aggregates.13:36
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baolilet's put them on the table: pros and cons, use cases, etc13:37
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irenabbaoli: good idea. Can you make some initial table, defining each option. We can update it13:39
baoliirenab, sure. I can put it onto the meeting wiki, and people can start updating it.13:39
irenabhaving it on the table, we can work on summit session content and maybe even POC to show13:40
baoliirenab, sounds good.13:40
irenabAnother issue we discussed was neutron aware nova-scheduler13:41
baoliirenab, I'm a little bit fussy about that. maybe you can give a description on that first.13:41
baolior you can add a section to the wiki for the idea.13:43
irenabit was mainly driven by Ian, but I think rkukura may add more details, since it was also relevant for non SRIOV cases, on how to get VM on Host that has certain physicla networks available13:43
irenabbaoli: I'll take a look to find Ian's doc on this.13:43
baoliirenab, sounds good.13:44
baoliWe touched upon the non SRIOV cases in past IRC meeting. I remember scheduling is not involved. rkukura can correct me.13:45
irenabbaoli: found the doc #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vadqmurlnlvZ5bv3BlUbFeXRS_wh-dsgi5plSjimWjU/edit13:46
irenabthere is a section for neutron aware scheduling13:46
rkukuraAs I recall, all I had said on this was that there are other cases where nova's scheduling would need to take neutron into account - making sure there is connectivity, or trying to manage latency, etc.13:48
baoliirenab, yes, I read that before. I'll read it again.13:48
irenabI guess we need to validat the curent was to request vnic_type and tagging resources, and if its good enough, no additional scheduling enhancments are required13:48
irenabsvalidate the current way13:49
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baoliirenab, in any case, we should think about it and see if we should do anything about it.13:49
irenabneed also work item for Horizon to make it possible to specify vnic_type13:50
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baoliirenab, we have someone here to work on horizon. I can talk to him. But I think that it wouldn't make icehouse13:51
irenabbaoli: it can be great13:51
irenabbaoli, sadasu: question on port_state_up attribute13:53
irenabHow would you support the change of  port_state_up without local neutron agent?13:53
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sadasuI am stuck there too and exploring diff options13:54
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sadasuMD will check with the actual device is one option13:55
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irenabI am adding the agent anyway, need to see if you require one, it can be generic enough...13:55
sadasunot sure if that will work or break anything13:55
baoliirenab, do you mean the admin-state of the port?13:55
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irenabbaoli: exactly13:56
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irenabrkukura: Do you know when design summit sessions should be proposed?13:57
sadasuI don't think there is an issue with the work item itself13:57
baolibefore a neutron sriov port is bound to an instance, you can't admin down/up the sriov device, right?13:57
sadasuexcept for this case, we don't need an agent at all13:57
rkukurairenab: Not sure13:57
sadasuhence my questions to rkukura about this a couple of weeks ago13:57
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baoliwe have a couple of minutes left. I need to move on to another meeting. So let's continue next week.13:59
irenabI think we need to reach some level of understanding what is all required work for Juno time frame and prepare it to the summit, to get core's on it from the start.13:59
irenabSo let's do it next meeting13:59
baoliThanks everyone, and see you guys next week.13:59
sadasuirenab, +114:00
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sadasuthanks all14:00
irenabthanks14:00
baoli#endmeeting14:00
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sadasuirenab, lets continue agent discussion on the ML14:00
sc68calGood morning, who's ready for the ipv6 meeting?14:00
xuhanphello14:01
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sc68calah, I'm on the wrong channel. :-\14:01
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kgriffso/16:07
kgriffsAnyone here for Marconi meeting - we have a ton of people out at conferences and stuff today16:07
kgriffsso, I think we will skip the meeting today16:07
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kgriffsoops, heh, just realized I'm an hour off16:07
kgriffs:p16:07
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sergmelikyano/16:59
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ativelkovhi17:00
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ativelkov#startmeeting murano17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 25 17:00:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'murano'17:00
ativelkovHi folks17:00
ativelkovAny muranoers here? :)17:01
gokrokveHi!17:01
sergmelikyano/17:01
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sergmelikyanHi, ativelkov17:02
ativelkovnot so many, but let's start anyway17:02
ativelkov#topic AI review17:02
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ativelkovBefore we actually go into the AIs, I want to mention that we've got lots of extra activities related to incubation request preparation, and this took quite a lot of time17:03
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ativelkovSo, I expect some of the AIs to slip17:03
ativelkovnumber 1: gokrokve to finalize MVP document17:04
gokrokveI updated it.17:04
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ativelkovIs it on google docs?17:04
tsufievhi!17:04
gokrokvePelase review17:04
gokrokveYes.17:04
ativelkovGood.17:04
ativelkov#info MVP updated, is on google docs.17:04
ruhegokrokve: can you share the link?17:04
ativelkovI think we should transfer it to Wiki as a feature spec for 0.517:05
gokrokvehttps://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/11C-_StJzseeFnqIL1hGJ0cfoB0vBaKaBKQOiaJSlXpg/edit?usp=sharing17:05
ativelkovactually, the second ai - "ativelkov to complete roadmap planning according to it" is exactly about that17:06
ruhegokrokve: it's protected, could you please change to more permissive mode?17:06
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ativelkovWe had a meeting discussing the roadmap, but could complete only DSL-related part17:07
ativelkovthe remaining requires some extra BPs to be created. I'll do it this week17:07
ativelkov#action ativelkov to create the remaining blueprints targeting 0.517:08
gokrokveruhe: Try it now. I changed the access right.17:08
ativelkovnext ai, ativelkov publish the abstract on wiki.17:08
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ativelkovWe've chosen to initiate a broader discussion with community first17:08
ruhegokrokve: thank you. i can see it now17:08
ativelkovSo, the abstract was published in ML instead of wiki17:08
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ativelkov#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027202.html17:09
ativelkovand the second part17:09
ativelkov#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027938.html17:09
ativelkovMore to follow17:09
ativelkovWhen we complete the discussion and get all the possible feedback we'll summarize it on the wiki17:10
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ativelkovWe want to bring the idea to the widest possible audience, as our DSL approaches may be useful for other projects as well (solum is an example)17:10
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ativelkovnext ai, ativelkov, stanlagun move spec to wiki and reference in blueprints17:11
ativelkovspec is transferred17:11
ativelkov#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/DSL/Blueprint17:11
ativelkovMore BPs to come, as I already said17:11
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ativelkovnext (me again!): ativelkov research potential Marconi integration for Agent communications17:12
ativelkovno progress yet17:12
tsufievisn't that too much for one man :)?17:13
ativelkovJust got some feedback from Savanna team that this think does not support lots of needed features - but I don't have any details yet17:13
ativelkovtsufiev: well, you can volunteer to take some AIs from me ))17:13
ativelkovand the last one: to schedule a meeting with Dmitry Mescheryakov to discuss agent messaging.17:14
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_dimHi17:15
ativelkovMy fault: I didn't do that. We had some discussions in general chat on this topic though17:15
ativelkov_dim: hi17:15
tsufievativelkov: I could look into Marconi before main UI development is on pause17:15
tsufievi mean, before it is fully started17:16
ativelkovtsufiev: thanks. Don't invest too much time though, we jsut need to have an overall understanding if it is suitable for us in long-term perspective17:16
tsufievok17:16
ativelkov#action tsufiev to look at Marconi (low priority task)17:16
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ativelkovSeems we are out of AIs )17:17
ativelkovMoving to the next item17:17
ativelkovBTW, the agenda is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda17:17
ativelkovI think I forgot to link it at the meeting start17:17
ativelkov#topic DSL status17:18
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ativelkovstanlagun, who is one of the main drivers for the new DSL, is absent today17:18
ativelkovso it seems like I'll give a quick update and will try to answer some questions if they are asked17:19
ativelkovStan will give more details when he returns17:19
ativelkovSo, we've finailized the proposal17:19
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ativelkovThe links have already been given17:20
ativelkovBut just in case I'll repeat them17:20
ativelkov#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/DSL/Blueprint - general DSL description17:20
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ativelkov#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027202.html - DSL abstract17:20
ativelkov#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027938.html - object oriented concept17:20
ativelkovIf anybody have any questions on this concepts - it may be a good time to ask them here and now :)17:21
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ativelkovNo questions I think )17:22
ativelkovWell, then we'll continue in the ML, but that will be much slower17:22
ativelkovnext topic17:22
ativelkov#topic Oslo.messaging status17:22
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ativelkovsergmelikyan: can you give an update?17:23
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sergmelikyanI have completed patches related to migration to oslo.messaging - all communications between API and Conductor are now going through oslo.messaging17:25
gokrokveCool!!!17:25
sergmelikyanChanges are not merged yet - some issues with tests in conductor17:25
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ativelkovsergmelikyan: will oslo.messaging-based communications use default openstack's messaging infrustructure service?17:26
sergmelikyanativelkov, mmm&17:26
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sergmelikyanPlease, could you explain what do you mean?17:27
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ativelkovI mean, by default openstack uses rabbit for inter-service communications, right?17:27
ativelkovwilll we use the same instance of rabbit in this case?17:28
sergmelikyanativelkov, it is solely related how Murano is deployed17:28
ativelkovWell, what is the suggested way then?17:28
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sergmelikyanativelkov, as you said, actually.17:29
sergmelikyanWe need to integrate approach mentioned by you in MOST 517:29
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ativelkovWell, that's up to the MOST team. We should collaborate with them17:29
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ativelkovBTW, can you provide a link to your changeset?17:30
sergmelikyanhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:migrate/oslo.messaging,n,z17:30
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ativelkov#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:migrate/oslo.messaging,n,z17:30
ativelkovGood, thanks17:30
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ativelkovOne more question: what about conductor<->agent communications?17:31
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sergmelikyanWe will migrate from Puka library to Kombu, but leave them as is for now.17:33
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ativelkovSo, this will be rabbit-only (no other messaging providers)?17:33
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sergmelikyanInvestigation about Marconi is one of the future plans in Murano components communication redesign17:33
sergmelikyanativelkov, yes17:33
ativelkovI see. Well, anyway that is already a very good progress towards unification and openstack-compliance17:34
sergmelikyanBut since it is may be private RabbitMq instance, not related to one that used by OpenStack, it is not so bad17:34
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ativelkovI would even say that it SHOULD be private rabbit instance17:34
ativelkovotherwise it may compromise the security17:35
ativelkovSo, the next one17:35
ativelkov#topic Incubation Request status17:35
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ativelkovgokrokve: this one is on you. Could you please provide an update?17:35
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gokrokveWe sent the incubation request. Right now there is a discussion time in the community.17:38
gokrokveProbably next week Murano will be reviewed on TC meeting17:39
ativelkovCould you link the ML thread?17:39
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ativelkovMeanwhile, this the etherpad where we track the status of our complieance with formal requuirements17:41
ativelkov#link http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-incubation-status17:41
ativelkovWe'll need to update it17:41
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gokrokvehttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027736.html17:42
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ativelkov#action ativelkov to update the incubation statuspad17:42
ativelkovthanks gokrokve17:42
ativelkov#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027736.html - incubation request17:42
ativelkov(just for MM)17:42
ativelkovSo, is that all related to our incubation request for now?17:43
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ativelkovthat, it is time for open discussion17:44
ativelkov#topic open discussion17:44
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ativelkovAny topics to discuss?17:44
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ativelkovIf no, then let's wrap up for today17:46
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gokrokveThere will be a TC meeting at 12AM17:46
ativelkovToday?17:46
gokrokvenot for Murano but it will be greate it someone participate17:47
gokrokveyes today17:47
ativelkovI will not make it today17:47
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ativelkovgokrokve: will you have a timeslot for this? Its in your timezone17:48
gokrokveI will be here for sure.17:48
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ativelkovWe'll, I'll try to join, but it would be hard: have to wake up very early tomorrow17:50
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ativelkovAnything else?17:50
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ativelkovThen thanks everyone for joining17:51
ativelkov#endmeeting17:51
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thinrichsHi all.  Is anyone here for the Congress meeting?17:59
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thinrichsLast week we decided to change the time to an hour earlier in a different room (openstack-meeting-3), but no one showed up, so I'm assuming they forgot.17:59
thinrichsThis is our old slot, and I promised I would hang around to see if anyone showed up.18:00
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thinrichsI'll go ahead and start the meeting so it doesn't appear that we're still having the Murano meeting.18:02
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting18:02
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thinrichs#endmeeting18:41
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matty_dubsTripleO meeting?19:00
jdobo/19:00
matty_dubs\o19:00
marioso/19:00
d0ugal\o/19:01
lsmola_hello19:01
shadowerhey19:01
jistrhi19:01
greghaynesO/19:01
jomara\\\\\\\p19:01
pleia2o/19:01
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lifelesso.19:02
lifeless#startmeeting tripleo19:02
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bnemeco/19:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:02
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lifelessgood morning everyone19:02
akrivokahi19:02
rpodolyaka1o/19:02
ifarkashello19:02
d0ugalMorning19:02
jomaraahoy19:02
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SpamapSo/19:03
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lsmola_good morning19:03
dprince_morning19:03
lifeless#topic agenda19:03
slaglehello19:03
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lifeless     bugs19:03
lifeless    reviews19:03
lifeless    Projects needing releases19:03
lifeless    CD Cloud status19:03
lifeless    CI virtualized testing progress19:03
lifeless    Insert one-off agenda items here19:03
lifeless    open discussion19:03
lifeless#topic bugs19:03
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lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/19:03
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/19:03
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config19:03
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config19:03
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config19:03
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar19:03
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar-ui19:04
lifeless#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient19:04
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lifelesshmm, sthould remove -ui from there, its now a horizon problem ;)19:04
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lsmola_:-)19:04
lifelessok, so lets see19:05
lifelesswe're drowning in criticals19:05
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lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/127064619:05
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/127134419:06
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/127280319:06
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/127296919:06
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/127886119:06
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/128094119:06
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/128392119:06
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/128405419:06
* SpamapS opens new window and starts ctrl-clicking19:06
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lifelessand we've got untriaged!19:06
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/127716819:07
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/127953719:07
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/128117419:07
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/128170219:07
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/128170519:07
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/128171919:07
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/128197719:07
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/128424219:07
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lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/127260519:07
lifelessmuch wow19:07
jcoufalo/ hey guys19:07
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lifelessjcoufal: ola!19:09
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lifelessok so untriaged: I think we need to all jointly commit to doing 1hr of bug triage a week19:10
lifelessand this will be all sorted next week with no stress19:10
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lifelesscan anyone *not* make such a commitment ?19:10
SpamapSwell I just +A'd the fix for 128405419:10
SpamapSbug 1284054 I should say19:10
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SpamapSlifeless: +1 for the bug triage. I've always found it quite useful to have a specific day in the week that is "my bug triage day" so that I just know when that 1 hour will happen.19:12
dprince_fine19:12
tchaypoI can do that, but I'm going to need some hand-holding19:12
jistri have e-mail notifications on tuskar and tuskarclient bugs and usually i just triage as they come19:13
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bnemecMy bug triage hour is usually right now. ;-)19:13
SpamapStchaypo: As Stevie Wonder said.. "Do allll that you caaaan"19:13
lsmola_trying to do that, at least on tuskar :-)19:14
lifelessjistr: so that good, but like review please share the load with the rest of the team19:14
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lifelessjistr: so put aside time after a coffee break one day and look at all the tripleo projects for untriaged bugs19:14
lifelessuntriaged == no priority and status != triaged19:15
lifeless[ignoring in-progress and fix committed of course]19:15
jdobthats a good idea for the e-mail notification, I didn't realize it supported that19:15
ccrouchlifeless: is there no way to generate a single query?19:16
lifelessccrouch: we have canned queries on the wiki page I believe19:16
jistrlifeless: i don't have 100% confidence in my ability to correctly triage bugs on non-tuskar projects, so that's why i don't do it much, but i'll try19:16
lifelessccrouch: but no, not across multiple projects19:16
ccrouchah ok19:16
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d0ugalCan only core do full triage? I noticed I can't set some of the values19:17
lifelessjistr: can you tell 'omg this shouldn't happen' from 'it might be nice if?' :)19:17
lifelessjistr: thats really all it takes19:17
jistryeah i hope so ;)19:17
lifelessd0ugal: there is a team on launchpad - ~tripleo - request membership of that19:17
lifelesstchaypo: ^ you too19:17
d0ugallifeless: aha, will do. Thanks.19:17
tchaypodo we try to reproduce or confirm the problem during triage?19:17
lifelesstchaypo: use your own judgement19:17
greghayneslifeless: I think we still have some people with membership pending, fyi19:17
lifelessI will check post meeting19:18
lifelessso these criticals19:18
tchaypoTeam request made19:18
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lifelessthe PMTU one I think we probably need to put a ethtool -K gro off in automatically, drop the bug to high and pursue out of band19:18
lifelessthe leases one neutron are pursuing, but the undefined priority there makes me cry19:19
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1272803 is low hanging fruit for someone interested19:19
lifelessjust make a new internal interface rather than reusing the mac of the bridge19:19
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1272969 dprince_'s work will solve19:20
lifelessjistr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1278861 - any additional news on that ?19:20
jistrlifeless: not beyond what Dmitri posted... i'm reprovisioning my lab machine now so i'll try to run as non-root and we'll see19:21
lifelessjistr: I think we should downgrade this - CI is working [there's a different failure right now but we had three-green-bars yesterday]19:22
lifelessjistr: so its not systemic19:22
jistrlifeless: +119:22
lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1280941 we need to back out our workaround and then its done19:22
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lifelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1283921 I think we landed my proposed patch19:22
lifelessbut we haven't followed up to see if the life cycle is managed properly19:23
lifelessI'm inclined to close it and wait and see19:23
lifelesswe know we need to do more work on migrations as we finish the HA arc19:23
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lifelessthoughts?19:23
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lifelessok, silence == assent ;P19:24
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lifelessand SpamapS says he +A'd https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/128405419:24
lifelessok, any other bug stuff?19:25
SpamapSlifeless: it had a Partial-Bug tag.. I think we should drop it to High since this workaround mitigates the impact19:25
lifelessSpamapS: # ?19:25
SpamapSbug #128405419:25
SpamapSWe still go too slow.19:25
lifeless#action all tripleo devs to do 1hr bug triage a week, random offsets.19:26
SpamapSWe just wait longer now19:26
lifelesssure19:26
lifelessthough I suspect folk will perf optimise independently19:26
lifelessI'd be inclined to just close it19:26
lifelessup to you!19:26
lifelessany other bug stuff to discuss?19:27
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lifelessok19:28
lifeless#topic reviews19:28
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lifelessI'm going to resume my monthly reviewer summaries now that we're all well and truely back from holidays19:28
lifelesscurrent status19:29
lifelesshttp://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html19:29
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lifelessStats since the last revision without -1 or -2 :19:29
lifeless    Average wait time: 4 days, 1 hours, 33 minutes19:29
lifelessMedian wait time: 3 days, 19 hours, 16 minutes19:29
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lifelesswe're letting ourselves down - thats a long time to be waiting for feedback on a branch19:29
SpamapSlifeless: I've seen a lot more operational focus lately, I don't think we've been focused on reviews.19:30
lifelesslongest review is up at 6 days19:30
lifelessthere are 9 people in cd-admins, and ~20 in the review team.19:30
lifelessSpamapS: so while cd-admins can be affected by that, it doesn't cover the whole team.19:31
lifelessSpamapS: not by a long shot.19:31
SpamapSso reviewers are just not doing enough reviews19:31
lifelessI'd say so19:31
lifelessreviews are how we scale development bandwidth19:31
SpamapSactually yeah.. I'm at the top for 30 days.. and I KNOW I haven't been doing enough19:32
lifelessthey are more critical than bug fixing19:32
lifelessbecause they actually *deliver the code to users*19:32
SpamapSI'm not so much seeing bug fixing as testing and using.19:32
SpamapSthe non admins.. I don't know whats up with that.19:32
lifelessI'm not interested in singling individuals out as not reviewing enough - this is a team wide challenge.19:32
slaglethe CI jobs are slowing reviews down19:32
SpamapSbut admins are also the most active reviewers19:32
slaglenot that we shouldn't be doing CI, but it's a data point to consider19:33
lifelessslagle: you can still -1 or +2 based on the code.19:33
lifelessslagle: the only thing CI affects is +A.19:33
slagleok, i've been  -1'ing still19:33
slaglebut, i've been holding off on the +2 as well19:33
slagleit doesn't "look good to me" if jenkins hasn't run yet19:34
lifelessof the 4 oldest reviews 3 have on one +2, the last has +A but depends on a patch with two -1s from non-core19:34
slaglebut, if the pattern is to still +2, i can start doing so19:34
lifelessboth -1's which the author (me) disagreed with.19:34
lifelessI think cores need to review things with -1's on them, at least far enough to detect this sort of thing19:35
SpamapSWith the pipeline length we have... CI would have to be DAYS behind before it blocks a reviewer.19:35
lifelessslagle: Here's my thought on the +2 thing - say you upload something, and two people +2 it then CI passes, I think the author could +A reasonably.19:35
SpamapSI review everything, even if it has -2's19:35
lifelessslagle: what do you think ?19:35
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slaglewfm19:36
lifelessslagle: [without invoking any of our special clauses about jointly edited patches, CD features etc]19:36
lifelessok19:36
lifelessso19:36
lifeless#action pick up the game on reviews everyone. EVERYONE.19:36
lifeless#info +2 is ok even when CI hasn't checked in yet.19:37
* SpamapS whinces as the whip cracks19:37
lifelessSpamapS: sadface, I was trying to avoid that framing of the problem.19:37
SpamapShaha I'm kidding. :)19:37
lifelessseriously, its a jointly affected, jointly solved issue19:37
lifelesswe have to want it.19:37
SpamapSNot reviewing means your own patches sit longer.19:38
SpamapSI get it. :)19:38
lifeless#topic  Projects needing releases19:38
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rpodolyaka1I can take. not a problem19:38
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lifelessawesome19:38
lifeless#topic  CD Cloud status19:38
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lifelessdprince_: RH region status?19:38
dprince_lifeless: still fleshing out NW access. More good progress today. I expect full access for everyone this week I think19:39
lifelessawesome19:39
lifelessHP region status:19:39
lifelesswe've got a bad node running the ci overcloud, which is a problem19:40
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lifelessmay be as simple as a BIOS firmware upgrade though - firedrill card open in trello19:40
lifelesswe have about 25% capacity bad in some way, an HP tripleo-cd-admin needs to take ownership of going through all the machines listed bad, opening JIRA tickets and sheparding them through19:41
tchaypoJIRA my old friend, we meet again19:41
lifelessng and spamaps have done a chunk of work here but its not finished19:41
lifelessI'd like to say any HP person, but reality is that without access to the machines to test etc it would be very hard.19:42
lifelessthe cd-undercloud network card seems to be glitching again; our old friend mellanox19:42
lifelessthats about it19:42
lifeless#topic CI19:42
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lifelessso we've had an exciting week19:43
lifelesswe're back with check jobs19:43
lifelessand yesterday they were all passing19:43
lifelessOMG19:43
rpodolyaka1\o/19:43
lifelessone thing that became clear last week, I want to reinforce here19:43
lifelesstripleo-cd-admins - this is a production quality admin team: we're on the hook for treating CD-undercloud, CD-overcloud and CI-overcloud failures as production failures19:44
lifelesswe've got enough folk to do follow the sun19:44
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lifelessits a volunteer team19:44
lifelessbut19:44
lifelessIMO19:44
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lifelessif you're in the team, it requires commitment - specifically if it breaks (e.g. if infra go 'wtf this region is down') we need to drop anything else and fix it19:45
lifelessif that happens a lot, its in our power to correct it (e.g. more HA, take servers out of rotation, fix bugs in the code)19:45
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lifelessSo - I'm going to call a vote of the cd-admins folk here: does this all make sense19:46
lifelessremember - tripleo-cloud/tripleo-cd-admins in incubator is the list of admins19:46
dprince_lifeless: yes19:46
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lifeless#vote does cd-admins membership imply production quality respones to everyone?19:47
lifelesserm, I hope that calls a vote :P19:47
SpamapS+119:47
lifeless#startvote does cd-admins membership imply production quality respones to everyone?19:47
SpamapS?19:47
openstackBegin voting on: does cd-admins membership imply production quality respones to everyone? Valid vote options are Yes, No.19:47
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.19:47
greghaynesYes19:47
SpamapS#vote Yes19:47
greghaynesah19:47
lifeless#vote yes19:47
greghaynes#vote Yes19:47
slagle#vote Yes19:47
lifelessgreghaynes: you're not an admin, but thanks :P19:47
dprince_lifeless: +1 (when I'm online I'll help)19:47
greghaynes:p19:47
tchaypolifeless: I'm happy to volunteer for the team, but I don't think I can be very useful just yet19:47
slaglei'm going to ask an embarrasing question though19:48
lifelesstchaypo: read ttripleo-cloud/README.md19:48
slaglewhere are the ci clouds documented?19:48
slaglewe have TripleOCloud on the wiki19:48
slaglethat pertains only to the CD cloud does it not?19:48
lifelessslagle: tripleo-cloud/README.md + https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/TripleOCloud (linked from the README) + https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/TripleOCloud/Regions (linked from the first wiki page)19:49
lifelessslagle: we probably need more CI-overcloud docs!19:49
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lifelessslagle: plus the admin spreadsheet with network ranges, passwords etc.19:49
lifeless#endvote19:49
openstackVoted on "does cd-admins membership imply production quality respones to everyone?" Results are19:49
slagleah, ok the spreadsheet19:49
slagleb/c i dont see any ci hostnames on that wiki page19:50
lifelessslagle: the spreadsheet is linked from the wiki pages19:50
slaglegot it, will check it out19:50
lifelessdprince_: ok, so on contacting us. I'd like to explore us sharing phone numbers to permit follow-the-sun handoffs even if folk are offline (e.g. I'm not going to keep poking at servers at 11pm when e.g. derekh or ng are awake and much more compos mentis19:51
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lifelessdprince_: I'll send mail to the list for that though, I think it needs everyone to be involved - consensus discussion19:51
lifeless#action lifeless to mail list about tripleo-cd-admins vote + contact-options topic19:51
lifeless#topic open discussion19:52
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tchaypoI'm hoping to finagle a vpn token and cert from the office at rhodes today, at which point I'll be able to read my work email, which will be exciting19:53
jistrlifeless: i didn't catch the discussion but i heard a rumor that you picked up extraction of overcloud init from devtest into a separate library that tuskar api could use. Is that right?19:54
SpamapStchaypo: woohoo :)19:55
lifelessjistr: I've committed to bootstrapping that this week yes19:55
lifelessjistr: long as the clouds we're running stay up19:55
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lifelessdoes anyone know how multi region keystone is meant to work19:56
lifelesslike19:56
lifelessdo we run two keystones each with the other's services registered and round-robin DNS ?19:56
lifelessor do we run one globally distributed keystone ?19:56
lifelessI mean - we'll have two underclouds soon, which should be separate but the overcloud should present a single multi region cloud to user, no ?19:57
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SpamapSlifeless: I had always thought it was achieved using shared users/catalogs, but not tokens basically.19:57
jistrlifeless: re the general stuff: sounds good, thanks. I just wanted to check on a rough ETA. (re keystone i don't know :) )19:57
jdoblifeless: is there a kickoff of sorts on monday morning for the meetup?19:58
lifelessjistr: I'm going to get a separate tree together, move stuff across into it untangling deps as needed, make it pip installable, and then say 'here, add what you need on top into this thing' :)19:58
lifelessjdob: yes, on monday we run around going wtf are we going to be.19:58
jistrlifeless: cool :)19:58
jdobawesome. what time do the festivities begin?19:58
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lifelessjdob: 0900 :P19:59
lifelesshopefully y! will have some news, or cody-somerville may pull a wabbit out of a hat19:59
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matty_dubsOh, and do we just show up at the HP office and say "We're here for the TripleO meeting?"19:59
slagleit appears we might not have a room monday19:59
jdobsounds good. and once again let me thank you for saving me from the miserable NJ winter and giving me cause to got to Sunnyvale19:59
lsmola_lol19:59
matty_dubsLOL, jdob++19:59
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slaglematty_dubs: you could do that, but you'd be in the wrong place20:00
slagleit's at the Yahoo office20:00
rpodolyaka1:)20:00
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matty_dubsslagle: I guess I will just follow you Monday morning. ;)20:00
SpamapSmatty_dubs: If you're at the Wild Palms, you can just follow the nerd herd onto the shuttles ;)20:00
matty_dubsOoh, I am. Sounds like a plan!20:01
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lifeless#endmeeting20:01
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jistrkthxbai20:02
lsmola_have a good night20:02
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rpodolyaka1night!20:03
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ifarkasgood night!20:03
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