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| sadasu | hi | 13:01 |
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| heyongli | hello | 13:01 |
| irenab | hi | 13:02 |
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| sadasu | Hi Irena | 13:03 |
| irenab | Hi, soory I didn'y have much progress with generic PCI MD, had crazy week with other tasks | 13:04 |
| irenab | I hpe to be back on this starting tomorrow | 13:04 |
| sadasu | I am finally at the point where I can start working on the SriovMechanismDriverBase/Mixin class | 13:04 |
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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 4 13:04:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:04 |
| baoli | Hi | 13:04 |
| sadasu | what generic pci md? | 13:05 |
| irenab | hi | 13:05 |
| baoli | sorry for being late. My neighbor happens to be at my doorstep | 13:05 |
| irenab | sadasu: the one you call SriovMechanismDriverBase | 13:05 |
| sadasu | ok :-) | 13:05 |
| sadasu | same here...but I have time now, and I was going to volunteer | 13:05 |
| irenab | baoli: thank you for putting info on wiki | 13:05 |
| baoli | irenab, np | 13:06 |
| sadasu | do u already have BP for that...if so sorry I missed it | 13:06 |
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| baoli | Are you guys talking about the MD Base for SRIOV? | 13:06 |
| sadasu | baoli: yes | 13:06 |
| irenab | I have this one ml2-sriov-nic-switch | 13:06 |
| irenab | and thought to do it as part of it | 13:06 |
| sadasu | ok.. | 13:07 |
| irenab | we have bp opened by baoli, it can land there if need some neutral pace :-) | 13:07 |
| sadasu | is ml2-sriov-nic-switch originally intended for your mech driver? | 13:08 |
| irenab | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/pci-passthrough-sriov | 13:08 |
| baoli | irenab, I think that it deserves a separate BP. Yours and Sandy's are focusing on the vendor MD. | 13:08 |
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| irenab | baoli: agree, it can be implemented on the one I posted before | 13:08 |
| baoli | irenab, that's great. | 13:09 |
| irenab | sadasu: yes, it is intended for next gen of our solution. The original Mlnx_MD hopefully will be merged in comming days | 13:09 |
| sadasu | irenab, ok got it | 13:09 |
| sadasu | baoli's existing BP seems to be a better place | 13:10 |
| irenab | sadasu: I think I have in mind what is needed, we can chat if you like | 13:10 |
| irenab | so agreed, doing it on baoli's bp | 13:10 |
| sadasu | yes, I had sent email to list after last meeting, do we continue there or another IRC? | 13:11 |
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| irenab | sadasu: seems that we are the only one who answer there, so we can chat on neutron channel incase there will be more interest and maybe send update on the list | 13:11 |
| sadasu | irenab, sounds good | 13:12 |
| heyongli | hi baoli, how about yours nova side work? | 13:12 |
| baoli | heyongli, Hi | 13:12 |
| baoli | Yongli, Did you see my response to your comments? | 13:13 |
| heyongli | yeah | 13:13 |
| heyongli | i hope you try another patch set as base, that's work, maybe the interface to sriov part is little diffrent | 13:14 |
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| baoli | Do you mean your patch? | 13:15 |
| heyongli | or, you can just drop my last patch and use you interface implement | 13:15 |
| irenab | baoli, heyongli: I wanted to ask general question | 13:16 |
| heyongli | please | 13:16 |
| baoli | irenab, go ahead | 13:16 |
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| irenab | baoli, seems you are pushing all in one commit changes and heyongly pushes many small commits | 13:17 |
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| irenab | what is the best handled by nova cores? | 13:17 |
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| irenab | any reviews done? | 13:18 |
| heyongli | small is good, for easy review | 13:18 |
| heyongli | what do you mean/ | 13:18 |
| irenab | currently we need this code to be accepted, wa tis the best way to push it | 13:19 |
| heyongli | smaller patch make it easy for review to catch up our idea i think | 13:19 |
| irenab | alos need to be sure work is done, not duplicated and no conflicts | 13:19 |
| heyongli | yeah, i also worry this | 13:20 |
| baoli | Irenab, please see the response I put in the bug review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67500/ | 13:20 |
| heyongli | now baoli given all in one solution had some duplicated function | 13:20 |
| heyongli | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/pci-extra-info,n,z | 13:21 |
| heyongli | yunhong and my patch set is here | 13:21 |
| irenab | Ok. maybe just need to update on wiki what patches are required | 13:22 |
| heyongli | baoli, i think you can depnd on our patch except the "pci request mark interface", your patch is work , that's cool | 13:22 |
| baoli | yongli, I'll take a look at your patch again once I have a chance. The duplication is minimal. And as I have indicated in my response, the two routines are used in different places | 13:23 |
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| irenab | I should get equipment in comming days and want to try all the patches together, just want to be sure what to apply | 13:23 |
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| heyongli | i know , if you want merge to nova ,then the match spec is dup | 13:23 |
| sadasu | you mean https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57859/? | 13:24 |
| sadasu | dup of what? | 13:24 |
| irenab | baoli: is there anything that prevent further work on your patch? | 13:25 |
| heyongli | not 57859 | 13:25 |
| baoli | Yongli, I gave comments to your patch a while back and didn't see response. | 13:26 |
| heyongli | i mean baoli's nova side patch set for basic sriov suport, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67500/ | 13:26 |
| heyongli | baoli, i'm sorry, i check it but which patch? | 13:27 |
| baoli | irenab, can you clarify your question? | 13:27 |
| baoli | yongli, the same patch | 13:27 |
| baoli | Let me repeat what I did in my patch: | 13:28 |
| heyongli | to my patch set? | 13:28 |
| baoli | heyongli, yes | 13:28 |
| baoli | So give me one minute | 13:28 |
| irenab | baoli: wanted to ask if there is some disagreements of nova guys on your patch, I see it in your response comment | 13:28 |
| irenab | "But it also depends on the community consensus on how it should be implemented eventually" | 13:29 |
| baoli | Irenab, as you know, we didn't actually reach agreement. | 13:29 |
| heyongli | 13:29 | |
| heyongli | Baodong (Robert) LiFeb 7 | 13:29 |
| heyongli | Please specify how this is done. In this wiki:https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PCI_passthrough_SRIOV_support_Icehouse, it indicates that the existing PCI alias will be extended. For neutron SRIOV, we need to tag networking sriov ports with the attribute "net-group" (or whatever name we can agree on), and stats report for these ports is based on that. | 13:29 |
| heyongli | This patch doesn't seem to reflect the wiki and support the neutron sriov requirement. | 13:29 |
| irenab | baoli: so the question is, how to proceed here | 13:30 |
| heyongli | your concern of this is solved by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74633/ | 13:30 |
| baoli | So this patch is based on the wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova-neutron-sriov that we have discussed and agreed, and a few things that I have asked to Yongli and Yunhong, plus some fixes to the existing code | 13:31 |
| heyongli | yunhong write this, i foget to reply you done | 13:31 |
| baoli | And I think that you and sadasu would need something soon. That's why I put all them together | 13:32 |
| irenab | baoli: agree and appreciate, but this is to POC | 13:33 |
| irenab | what about production version and plan for Juno | 13:33 |
| irenab | ? | 13:33 |
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| baoli | Irenab, as you have seen from the meeting wiki, I put the recap of discussion over there | 13:34 |
| baoli | So what's for juno is something for discussion | 13:34 |
| baoli | As you know, the nova side of things are not approved for Icehouse | 13:34 |
| irenab | baoli: It is very helpfull. What wil be the next step once we review and add/comment? | 13:35 |
| irenab | I think we need to make it some sort of proposal with options, share with community. What do you think? | 13:35 |
| baoli | Irenab, I'd recommend that you use the patch for testing because it works | 13:36 |
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| baoli | As for the next step, we said that we are going to plan for a session in the summit | 13:36 |
| irenab | baoli: thanks, will do so | 13:36 |
| irenab | I just thought we already doing it :-) | 13:37 |
| baoli | Irenab, any comments about the Recap I put in the wiki? | 13:38 |
| irenab | need to read it more carefully, will send comments later | 13:38 |
| baoli | Irenab, thanks | 13:39 |
| irenab | I saw some mails on neutron flavors for services | 13:39 |
| irenab | I think we probably need to initiate something similar for tenant/admin API for NIC related options | 13:39 |
| baoli | Irenab, what's the subject of the email? | 13:40 |
| irenab | baoli: Flavor Framework | 13:40 |
| irenab | it sis related to neutron services, but just see it as example of something that starts the discussion on ML in advance | 13:41 |
| baoli | cool, I'll take a close look at it today. | 13:41 |
| irenab | I think we need to reach some model we agree and propose it | 13:42 |
| heyongli | baoli , i just read your recap, i might wrong, but PCI Group is just a extra info tag as we discussed. | 13:42 |
| irenab | baoli: by the way, need to update meeting time to Tue | 13:43 |
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| heyongli | and i don't remember a pci stats group concept, do i missing something? | 13:44 |
| baoli | Yongli, I think that the difference is not just one against many | 13:44 |
| irenab | baoli: any updates from beagles on documentation? | 13:44 |
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| baoli | yongli, pci stats group is there, right? how do you come up with an stats entry? | 13:45 |
| heyongli | are you mean the pool? | 13:45 |
| baoli | irenab, I didn't see anything from beagle, I thought he'd show up today | 13:45 |
| heyongli | define by the pci_flavor_attr | 13:45 |
| baoli | yongli, yes. | 13:46 |
| irenab | seems people continue to come and go... | 13:46 |
| heyongli | do you mind i update the nova side description a litte bit?, | 13:47 |
| heyongli | or i can put to dev mail first | 13:47 |
| heyongli | i try to get a slide to show design choice and why | 13:47 |
| irenab | hayongli: It can be great | 13:47 |
| baoli | Yongli, you can come up with a paragraph and put a link in to the wiki | 13:48 |
| heyongli | maybe usefull to get some core sponsor. | 13:48 |
| heyongli | baoli: if i do that , we had 2 desciption about same thing | 13:48 |
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| baoli | yongli, if it's the same, then no need. But it could be useful to see what' exactly in your mind | 13:49 |
| heyongli | baoli, i think it should be same as we discussed so long time | 13:49 |
| irenab | guys, we need one place to put all info and communicate to ML. I guess on Summit we need to present and get core's sponsorship | 13:49 |
| heyongli | i try to put it to mail first | 13:49 |
| baoli | yongli, cool. | 13:50 |
| baoli | Irenab, agreed | 13:50 |
| heyongli | just put it to the recap? | 13:51 |
| baoli | Yongli, I didnt' do full recap on the PCI Flavor since the wiki has more detailed info. So you may update that section to give a summarized good description on the key things in PCI flavor | 13:51 |
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| irenab | Do we want to propose some action items for next week? | 13:52 |
| heyongli | i worry what should be put to the recap section, let's just do it. and every one can review it and we can agree to a identical description. | 13:53 |
| irenab | please send email once wiki updated | 13:53 |
| baoli | Yongli, I had a link in the PCI flavor section to Ian's wiki | 13:53 |
| heyongli | i will just send mail at fist | 13:53 |
| baoli | yongli, ok, let's start with that | 13:54 |
| irenab | I think we need cover Top Down picture from user(tenant/admin) perspective before drill down to technical side | 13:54 |
| baoli | irenab, sure. I also think that we should collect the use cases | 13:55 |
| irenab | baoli: agree | 13:55 |
| irenab | Shall we make it agenda for next meeting? After we sync on ongoing patches | 13:56 |
| heyongli | in my bp there had some, but i wonder is that we want? | 13:56 |
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| baoli | irenab, sure. | 13:56 |
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| baoli | I can start a agenda section in the wiki, and you guys can put whatever you want to talk about in that section before next meeting. How does that sound? | 13:58 |
| heyongli | cool | 13:58 |
| irenab | great | 13:58 |
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| baoli | Do you know what's the deadline for proposing summit session? | 13:59 |
| baoli | I'll check it out | 13:59 |
| irenab | not sure, but I think ~week before | 14:00 |
| heyongli | no idea, i try to setup one, but not find where to do that, seems no invite code sent out | 14:00 |
| irenab | I think its not opne yet for design summit | 14:00 |
| baoli | Thank you guys. time is up for this meeting | 14:00 |
| irenab | thanks | 14:00 |
| heyongli | bye | 14:00 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 4 14:00:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-03-04-13.04.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-03-04-13.04.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-03-04-13.04.log.html | 14:00 |
| irenab | baoli: will ping if have issues with bringing the patch up | 14:00 |
| sadasu | thanks all | 14:01 |
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| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 4 15:00:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:00 |
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| flaper87 | 'SUP PEOPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE????????????????? | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | roll call | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 15:00 |
| malini | \o/ | 15:00 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | hey all! | 15:01 |
| balajiiyer | o/ | 15:01 |
| saikrishna_ | hi all! | 15:01 |
| flwang | o/ | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | wow, so many folks | 15:01 |
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| alcabrera | we grow every few weeks. :) | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | It brings tears to my eyes | 15:01 |
| * alcabrera hands out the poptarts | 15:01 | |
| malini | alcabrera: the dentist would love tht | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | oh yes | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | [$] | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | #topic actions from last time | 15:02 |
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| alcabrera | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-02-18-15.04.html | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | just one was noted | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer to follow up with Megan and get us a case study for the summit talk | 15:02 |
| * flaper87 remembers last time actions once in a week | 15:02 | |
| alcabrera | not much action last time - how unusual! | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | guess what, it always happens on Tuesdays at 15:00 UTC | 15:03 |
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| balajiiyer | kgriffs: can we carry forward it to this week? | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | heh | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | #action balajiiyer to follow up with Megan and get us a case study for the summit talk | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | #topic i-3 | 15:03 |
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| alcabrera | Oh yeah - i3 is close | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | very close | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | like hours close | 15:03 |
| malini | it is here! | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: last time they cut it the following morning. Will they cut during the TC meeting this time do you think? | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | sorry, not TC meeting | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | release meeting | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | I know last time was a special case because of zuul | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: no, it usually closes at some late time in the west coast | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | so the cut will happen in the morning | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | oh good! | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | but we should block patches today | 15:05 |
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| flaper87 | those that are not worth shipping with i-3 | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | I am going to blitz v1.1 over the next few hours. If I can't get all the patches in by the next 3 hours, let's say v1.1 is going to be an experimental feature | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | people will have to go get HEAD to play with it at the summit | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | sure thing | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | ok. sorry, I'm an eternal optimist. :p | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | other patches? | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | #link https://launchpad.net/marconi/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 15:07 |
| flwang | kgriffs: /health ? | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | flwang: I think we should hold it until after i-3 | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | and I'm not sure whether it makes sense to let it land after the FF | 15:08 |
| flwang | flaper87: do that mean Juno ? | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | what do you think? | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | hmm | 15:08 |
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| flwang | flaper87: if you guys believe its overall shape is ok, how about lets try to land it before 6 Mar | 15:08 |
| alcabrera | have we solidified the health/ping semantics? | 15:08 |
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| flwang | i-3 but after FF | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | if we have, then I'm favorable towards letting it land soon | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | and making small fixes to it as needed | 15:09 |
| flwang | and yes, it depends on the overall v1.1 status | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | are we "allowed" to land features after i-3 but still for icehouse? | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | ok, lets work on that | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: you mean after FF | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: that's what I mean | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | FF for i-3 | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yest but only if a Feature Freeze Exception is granted | 15:09 |
| flwang | 4 Mar is FF, 6 Mar is i-3 | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | hmmm | 15:10 |
| flwang | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | I gotta run guys. I think I'll be back in time for the last 10 minutes of this meeting! | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | flwang: lets work on getting it ready and then ask a Feature Freeze if necessary | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | my basic thoughts: api v1.1 and tempest need help | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: kk, ttyl | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | o/ | 15:10 |
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| flwang | flaper87: ok | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: yep, I was just under the impression that FF for the last milestone was also FF for the icehouse release, which seems to be correct | 15:10 |
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| malini | we also need somebody to start working on sqlalchemy tests | 15:10 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: yep | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | malini: mmh, what tests? | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | there are tests for sqlalchemy already | 15:11 |
| malini | the gate jobs against diff backends | 15:11 |
| flwang | flaper87: +1 | 15:11 |
| malini | flaper87: we have only unit tests, rt? | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | malini: oh ok, yeah, I'll help you creating some gates for that | 15:12 |
| flwang | malini: you mean functional test? | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | malini: nope, functional too | 15:12 |
| malini | we need the functional tests running against diff backends | 15:12 |
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| malini | flaper87: tht is cool..I didnt know tht !! | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | malini: I'll help you getting the sqlalchemy gate setup | 15:12 |
| flwang | kgriffs: seems we're still missing the func test against v1.1 | 15:12 |
| malini | I'll chk it out | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | malini: I replaced all the sqlite tests with sqlalchemy | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | :) | 15:12 |
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| kgriffs | flwang: yes we are | 15:12 |
| flwang | flaper87: malini: cound me | 15:12 |
| flwang | kgriffs: do you think it's a blocker for landing the v1.1? | 15:13 |
| malini | I was planning to start working on fun tests for 1.1, if somebody can tackle the gate part..I have a good idea of what/how to do tht | 15:13 |
| flwang | kgriffs: if so, seems we can't make it | 15:13 |
| flwang | malini: count me, after I complete the /health | 15:14 |
| malini | flwang: awesome! thabks! | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | flwang: well, our only possible solution would be to add functional tests to the mainline and if we find any bugs, we would need to backport those to the icehouse RC | 15:14 |
| malini | thanks! * | 15:14 |
| flwang | kgriffs: make sense for me, thanks for the clarification | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | ok, so I would like to propose a 2-hour super hero sprint | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | lots of code, lots or reviewing | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: sounds good | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | then we meet back in #openstack-marconi and decide what our final bp | 15:16 |
| flwang | kgriffs: +1 | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | set of bp's will be | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: we could probably make today's meeting shorter and use that time for coding too | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | let's speed this along then | 15:16 |
| * kgriffs seconds flaper87's motion | 15:16 | |
| kgriffs | #topic tempest | 15:16 |
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| flwang | flaper87: competing with time? | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | malini: status? | 15:16 |
| malini | I have a patch outstanding to address the devstack issue | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | flwang: I'm always competing with time :P | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | malini: have you confirmed it will work? | 15:17 |
| malini | https://review.openstack.org/77832 | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | malini: mind giving a summary of the latest findings | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | ? | 15:17 |
| malini | kgriffs: it does work on a brand new devstack install when I tried..so hope it'll work | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | malini: cool | 15:18 |
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| malini | I pinged a few core reviewers..but havent heard back yet | 15:18 |
| malini | flaper87: Its basically a workaround till we figure the stdout issue | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | looks like a fix to me | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: the gist is that something still requires stdout but we can't figure out what | 15:18 |
| malini | flaper87: hmm…I would like to know why ..but can live with this for now | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | we tried monkey-patching sys.stdout and nobody called write on it | 15:19 |
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| flaper87 | mmhh, that's interesting | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | what's even more interesting is that all projects are using the same logging module | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | so, I can't think OTOH what's wrong with marconi | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | so, we got logging to stop using stdout | 15:19 |
| malini | flaper87, flwang: if you are buddies with any devstack core reviewers, try bribing them to look at the patch ;) | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | so I don't think it's logging any more | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | something else | 15:19 |
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| malini | flaper87: I think there is something different | 15:20 |
| malini | only ceilometer & us specify the log dir in devstack scripts | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | anyway, if we can get this to land and revisit for Juno, that would be WUNDERBAR | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | malini: mmhh | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | ok | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | malini: and now you know what project I copied our devstack code fromn | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:21 |
| malini | :D | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | devstack does crazy stuff with FD redirects | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | from* | 15:21 |
| flwang | malini: may i know the patch link? I will see what I can do | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving forward | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | yep | 15:21 |
| malini | flwang: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77832 | 15:21 |
| flwang | malini: thanks | 15:21 |
| malini | flwang: thank You!! | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | kk | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | let's git-r-done | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | #topic documentation | 15:22 |
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| kgriffs | balajiiyer: ^^^ | 15:22 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: Latest patch set 20 needs some review | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: gtk | 15:22 |
| malini | balajiiyer: can you post the review link plz? | 15:22 |
| balajiiyer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72001/ | 15:23 |
| balajiiyer | There was a trademark issue on 19, that was fixed. | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72001/ | 15:23 |
| balajiiyer | We also have operations doc now | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: is that part of the same patch? | 15:24 |
| balajiiyer | Oz will be submitting a patch today | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | oic | 15:24 |
| * flaper87 wants an operation gummy bears | 15:24 | |
| kgriffs | ok, let's get these merged today | 15:24 |
| cpallares | lol | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | if needed, please file bugs for minor nits and we will follow up | 15:24 |
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| kgriffs | let's make sure the major stuff is OK | 15:24 |
| flwang | kgriffs: +1 | 15:25 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: ok | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | #topic sqlalchemy | 15:25 |
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| flaper87 | IT'S DONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | w00t | 15:25 |
| flwang | haha | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | this one should be done right? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/sql-sharding-controllers | 15:25 |
| balajiiyer | flaper87: awesome | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yeah, alej completed the sharding part | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | ETOO_MANY_EES | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | we need to test it carefully with other backends now | 15:26 |
| kgriffs | k, I will update that bp | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: you mean, EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETOMANYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | 15:26 |
| kgriffs | heh | 15:26 |
| flwang | kgriffs: I would suggest to make sqlalchemy as the default backend to be more friendly for the new comer | 15:26 |
| flwang | kgriffs: flaper87: make sense? | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | so, I'll help amlini with getting the gate done for that | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | flwang: it is the default backend | 15:26 |
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| flwang | flaper87: now? | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | yes | 15:27 |
| flwang | flaper87: coooooooooooool | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | haha | 15:27 |
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| kgriffs | can I mark as implemented the SQL Storage Driver? | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | it's funny how I swapped it and people still thinks they're using sqlite | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | I assume so... | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | muahahahah muahahha muahahaha | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:27 |
| flwang | flaper87: I'm always using mongodb, so i'm not aware of that | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | well, they're using sqlite but through sqla | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:27 |
| * alcabrera returns sooner than expected | 15:27 | |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yeah, mark it as done | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: coool, wb | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: +1 for sql marked as done | 15:28 |
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| flwang | alcabrera: $$$$$$ | 15:28 |
| * ametts is going to try it with Microsoft Access | 15:28 | |
| alcabrera | at this point, it's just bug fixes, since it's functionally feature complete | 15:28 |
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| flaper87 | alcabrera: hahahahahahahaha | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | hahaha | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | ametts: that's crazy talk! | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | ametts: ^ | 15:28 |
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| alcabrera | ametts: try out the experimental Microsoft Excel backend. :P | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | #topic pecan | 15:28 |
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| balajiiyer | kgriffs: working on perf benchmarks | 15:29 |
| balajiiyer | I have numbers with tsung, wrking with ab now | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | This can land after the FF, but I want to make sure we are on track to deliver a good, objective report | 15:29 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: yeah, have to do some due diligence before I can publish numbers, will have it by end of this week | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: rock on | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | cool | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | #note balajiiyer making good progress on evaluating pecan | 15:30 |
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| alcabrera | any other thoughts on this topic? | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | The more things we can quantify, the better | 15:31 |
| balajiiyer | Im using mongodb as the storage driver, and possibly look at in-memory storage drivers | 15:31 |
| balajiiyer | any other ideas what else I can do? | 15:31 |
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| flaper87 | balajiiyer: sqlalchemy + mysql | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: +1 | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | so, another thought came to mind | 15:32 |
| balajiiyer | Im treating this as 'Marconi in Pecan', vs 'Marconi in Falcon', so Im swapping out transport drivers, keeping everything else a constant. | 15:32 |
| balajiiyer | flaper87: ok | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | There's a lot of talk of performance, and I understand that's a point of interest. It's one of the easier things to measure objectively. | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | I'm very interested in the subjective side of the equation, too | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | how easy is it to extend marconi using one vs. the other? | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | Things of that nature. | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: also, lets make sure we come up with some ideas as to how both pecan and falcon can be improved | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | I understand that's hard to be objective about, though. :/ | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | the whole point is not just to find out which is faster, easier etc but to come up with an idea of how we can contribute back to both communities regardless of our final choice | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | good words, flaper87 | 15:34 |
| balajiiyer | alcabrera: yeah, I have a set of evaluation criteria, that is one of those. | 15:34 |
| flwang | flaper87: +1 | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | people will continue to use pecan and falcon for their own projects. Let's try to make both more awesome | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | good thoughts | 15:35 |
| * flaper87 for president | 15:35 | |
| alcabrera | #note pecan+falcon: how can we make both better? Share feedback with community | 15:36 |
| * alcabrera votes flaper87 - every time | 15:36 | |
| balajiiyer | *takes notes* | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | ok, open discussion and then code ? | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | api v1.1 discussion is next, I believe | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | yeah, we were thinking to make the meeting shorter this week and do a full code immersion | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | ah | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | okay | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | sounds good to me | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | #note Goals for Pecan evaluation include: identify areas of improvement for both frameworks where we can contribute, provide guidance on when to use each framework, deliver metrics, and provide well-thought-out arguments for subjective metrics | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | not sure what kgriffs thoughts are about moving the v1.1 discussion to the enxt meeting | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | oh, I'm pretty much ignoring today's agenda. :p | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | LOL | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | crunch time | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | hahaha | 15:38 |
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| flaper87 | ROFL | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | ok, let me just emphasize this point and then let's get to work | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | Imagine if we could rewind 18 months or so | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | and our team were the ones floating the idea of Pecan | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | now, what kind of a report would we create and circulate to other OS teams? | 15:40 |
| kgriffs | maybe that isn't quite the right thought experiment, but you get the idea | 15:40 |
| kgriffs | actually | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | kind of fuzzy | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | let's adjust this | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | so, here is how I would personally go about introducing pecan | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | first, I would find a different project and ask them to basically do what we are doing | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | I would want an "outside" opinion | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | and I would consider carefully a set of criteria | 15:42 |
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| kgriffs | then I would take the results to the community and see if I could get another project to give Pecan a try | 15:43 |
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| kgriffs | preferably a core (AKA "kernel") project: network, storage, compute | 15:43 |
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| alcabrera | what that tells me, is that this is only the beginning of the evaluation question | 15:44 |
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| alcabrera | what would API v3 in Nova look like with Falcon is the first thing that comes to mind | 15:44 |
| alcabrera | things of that nature | 15:44 |
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| alcabrera | I'm favorable towards an ongoing experiment | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | tool diversity is a powerful thing | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | that's it from me | 15:45 |
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| flaper87 | sounds good to me too | 15:46 |
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| kgriffs | I tried to argue last year for a broader evaluation period on the ML. Not that I think Falcon is inherently "better" but that this is how you create standards in a community; you do it organically and with evaluations, gathering the data over time and working towards a rough consensus. | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | But, I was shouted down | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | :( | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | in any case, I am trying to keep our evaluation as objective and serious as possible | 15:46 |
| balajiiyer | *hopes to deliver* | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | that is why I explicitly wanted balajiiyer to lead that effort. | 15:47 |
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| kgriffs | he is brand new to openstack, and started with little to no experience in either framework | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | and I have been telling everyone every chance I get to quantify things, be open-minded, and let's do this the right way | 15:48 |
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| kgriffs | Ideally, we would take our findings to the community and see if we can get another project to do the same excercise | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | Could everyone come back and say Falcon totally sucks and nobody wants to use it? | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | sure. | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | but I suspect the answer is going to be more gray than that and we will find that arguing over which is better: forks or knives | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | ...is just silly and a huge waste of time | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | whenever someone asks me what framework they should use for their new project, I say: try both and decide which one works best for you, your team, and your project | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | I honestly do | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | All I am asking is for promoters of other frameworks to do the same | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | this is how you build a community | 15:52 |
| flwang | kgriffs: +1 | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | and yes, I am well aware this is all going on the record. | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | someone needed to recognize the elephant in the room | 15:53 |
| * alcabrera cheers | 15:53 | |
| alcabrera | #note kgriffs advocates for open-minded evaluation of tools and technologies | 15:53 |
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| kgriffs | ok, sorry, this ended up taking the full hour after all. | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 15:54 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://plus.google.com/events/ckjhm8rggnqvrnspftna845kubk | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | oh yeah | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | Marconi hangout | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | March 27 | 15:55 |
| flwang | flaper87: I will watch it | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | #note Marconi G+/Hangout happening March 27 | 15:55 |
| malini | what is tht for? | 15:56 |
| flwang | general or any best practice | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | ok, so everyone have a good idea of what they will focus on the next 2 hours | 15:56 |
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| flwang | I have watched all the Marconi I can get from youtube, including kgriffs', flaper87 and alcabrera's, haha | 15:57 |
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| kgriffs | oh oh. :) | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 4 15:57:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-03-04-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-03-04-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-03-04-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | I'll gather the minutes | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | see you all on the other side! | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: thanks! | 15:57 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 4 16:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Our Agenda for today | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | hello everyone! | 16:00 |
| muralia | murali | 16:00 |
| paulmo_ | Paul Montgomery | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
| noorul | Noorul Islam K M | 16:00 |
| paulczar | Paul Czarkowski | 16:01 |
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| aratim | Arati Mahimane | 16:01 |
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| alexheneveld | hello | 16:01 |
| julienvey_ | Julien Vey | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Alex, welcome! | 16:01 |
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| julienvey_ | won't be able to stay long | 16:01 |
| stannie | Pierre Padrixe | 16:02 |
| tomblank | tom blankenship | 16:02 |
| coolsvap1 | Swapnil | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | julienvey_: thanks for the heads up. How long will you be with us today? | 16:02 |
| alexheneveld | good to be back - and great to be seeing so much activity | 16:02 |
| julienvey_ | adrian_otto half an hour | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | ok, in that case, I am planning to shuffle the agenda so you can provide input on the Incubation Discussion | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | anyone feel strongly to the contrary? | 16:03 |
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| datsun180b | argh, missed my cue | 16:04 |
| gokrokve | Hi | 16:04 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | we are still in Roll call, datsun180b | 16:04 |
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| gokrokve | Georgy Okrokvertskhov | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so we will do Incubation discussion just before Review Action Items. | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending. Let's proceed to announcements. Feel free to chime in at any time to record your attendance if you have not already. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:05 | |
| adrian_otto | Solum Summit Registration - Make your travel arrangements | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | Tuesday, March 25, 2014 - Wednesday, March 26, 2014 | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Summit Find Link to registration here | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | this is a very important event for us. I might argue it's the most important Summit for this project period. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | so if you are on the fence for whether to attend in person, please attend. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | next announcement: Solum Demo Session at Atlanta ODS Event | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | please take a moment to vote for our demo session: Vote at: https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/introducing-solum | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | instead of submitting a whole mess of sessions, we just want everyone to focus on this, and make it awesome | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | all your votes will make a huge difference | 16:08 |
| muralia | Voting was closed on March 3rd. Thats what the website says. | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | oh, well. | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | if you happen to know a member of the committee who reviews these, possibly a mention is justified. | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | as voting is only part of the criteria for selection | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | next announcement: | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | CAMP 15 day Public Review is open. Ends 2014-03-17. Please make comments based on what we have learned in Solum. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://www.oasis-open.org/news/announcements/15-day-public-review-for-cloud-application-management-for-platforms-camp-v1-1-end | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | this is a PaaS standard that may still be shaped by what we do in this project. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | if you care about what lands in the standard, please review and comment | 16:10 |
| rajdeep | are we trying to get paas vendors to get involved in the standard? | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | rajdeep: I think all of us should take an interest, and know what's proposed | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | the more consensus reached early, the better it will be | 16:11 |
| rajdeep | ok standard will become successful if established players adopt it | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | its' worth an hour or two to look and jot down remarks | 16:11 |
| alexheneveld | re CAMP asalkeld (for whom I guess this time slot is not very friendly!) and I had a chat | 16:11 |
| alexheneveld | one spot of confusion was whether it should be used for the pipeline (build triggers etc) ... i tend to think *not* | 16:12 |
| muralia | +1 | 16:12 |
| alexheneveld | it is designed to describe and manage application deployments (assemblies) | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | alex, yes. I think we should touch on that again during open discussion today | 16:12 |
| alexheneveld | however it could be interesting to give an abstracted api on top of things like build services | 16:12 |
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| alexheneveld | adrian_otto: cool | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, next topic | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Incubation Discussion | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | Are we interested in changing our wiki content to adjust language referring to us as "OpenStack Related" to state an intent to file for OpenStack incubation upon achievement of milestones agreed to by the team members? | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm seeking a perspective from as many of you as possible on this question | 16:13 |
| funzo | I'm not sure of what the cons are from doing this | 16:14 |
| julienvey_ | I agreed with that statement, but do we discuss the milestone today ? | 16:14 |
| julienvey_ | s/agreed/agree | 16:14 |
| noorul | We need clarity on m1 | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | we can discuss the milestone whenever it makes sense | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | perhaps it's m1, or maybe something different. The question really hinges on whether we want to state an intent to pursue an incubation period in our future. | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | and if that's desired by our contributors, then we should be clear about that intent | 16:15 |
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| noorul | I think it was our intent from the beginning to apply for incubation | 16:16 |
| devkulkarni | the only con I see is, once an intent is stated and if for some reason that does not get followed through, what does that mean? | 16:16 |
| julienvey_ | it's desired for me :) | 16:16 |
| stannie | +1 noorul | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: if we change our minds, that's fine. | 16:16 |
| datsun180b | i don't think there's anything wrong with stating intent and reevaluating later if needs or circumstances change | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | but based on the input I have so far, I think we do have that intent | 16:16 |
| datsun180b | that's what intent is | 16:16 |
| gokrokve | +1 | 16:17 |
| devkulkarni | in that case, there is no con as such imo. | 16:17 |
| alexheneveld | +1 | 16:17 |
| gokrokve | The main part will be a clear mission statement to make a proper posiotioning in the community | 16:17 |
| tomblank | +1 | 16:17 |
| devkulkarni | +1 to changing the wiki | 16:17 |
| muralia | +1 | 16:17 |
| stannie | +1 | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | gokrokve: exactly, I will begin to offer some draft statements for us to discuss. | 16:17 |
| tomblank | gokrokve: yes, i think that is important | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | that's a prerequisite for application | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | ok, this appears to be unanimous. Are there any alternative viewpoints to consider? | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome back rajdeep_ | 16:19 |
| paulczar | +1 | 16:19 |
| rajdeep_ | Currently are we in the pre incubation phase? | 16:19 |
| aratim | +1 | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | ok, hearing no objections to the suggestion, I will move to a #agreed on this point,adn we can take this a step further | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed Solum will adjust it's public facing documentation to state a clear intent to pursue an incubation period for the project. | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to adjust the wiki to show intent for incubation | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | rajdeep_: yes, we are in pre-incubation | 16:20 |
| rajdeep_ | ah ok | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | so the next logical question is when would be the best time to process an application for incubation? | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | based on the prevailing criteria, once we have a mission statement, we qualify. | 16:21 |
| julienvey_ | yes | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | one possibility is to pursue this on an immediate basis | 16:22 |
| datsun180b | i don't know if there's such thing as too early in this case | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | so that Juno would potentially be our first full cycle in inbubation | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: exactly. That's what incubation is intended for. | 16:23 |
| muralia | Yes, we should do it right away. We'll probably attract more contributors that way. | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | after a full cycle in incubation, and doing train based release milestones, we may be at a point suitable for integrated status. | 16:23 |
| julienvey_ | is there a deadline for incubated projects to get integrated ? | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey_: good question. You can ally any time. | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | but you must go through a full cycle before you can graduate out of incubated into integrated status | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni | I would like to hear gokrokve's views on how distracting it is for the team while the discussion is happening about incubation? what are your experiences with murano? | 16:25 |
| gokrokve | devkulkarni: In our case it was pretty clam. There are some discussions with another incubation request for Climate project. | 16:26 |
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| gokrokve | The main concerns were mission statement and needs of such program\functionality | 16:26 |
| gokrokve | The team should be prepared to answer that. | 16:26 |
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| gokrokve | There are not much technical questions. | 16:26 |
| devkulkarni | gokrokve: I see. | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | I expect the technical criteria is more about exiting incubation rather than entering. | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | and we have followed all the guidelines that are normally requested. | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | so I don't expect major rework | 16:27 |
| gokrokve | adrian_otto: Sure. There are some requirements for incubation, but as I see they already satisfied in Solum (devstack-gate, requirements check) | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | as our first core croup were almost all in the OpenStack Technical Committee | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I am happy to take an action item to offer a mission statement | 16:28 |
| rajdeep_ | /NICK rajdeep | 16:28 |
| gokrokve | Yes. We need to explain why this project should be a part of OpenStack. | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | that we can etherpad on to refine | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | so let | 16:29 |
| gokrokve | It will be hard as there are many PaaS solutions which work with OpenStack. | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | us assume for sake of discussion that we are at the point of having a mission we all believe in, and all the rationale needed for an applicaiton | 16:29 |
| stannie | we will have to explain how Solum works differently | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | would anyone object to filing right away? | 16:30 |
| gokrokve | With the recent CloudFoundry movement to open-source community it will be even harder. | 16:30 |
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| devkulkarni | gokrokve: Yes. I guess in a way this approach will make us crystallize our thinking around the differences and needs very clearly. | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | gokrokve: I am confident this project is different enough that we can make it clear why these are in fact apples and oranges | 16:30 |
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| julienvey_ | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:31 |
| noorul | Isn't important, which milestone will bring that difference? | 16:31 |
| gokrokve | Sure. We need to prepare couple stron use cases which show where Solum adds value. | 16:31 |
| noorul | s/Isn't/Isn't that | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: that's a good question. Because we are taking an iterative approach, some of the differences will be less obvious in the beginning, but the key differences are in the orientation with the IaaS of OpenStack | 16:32 |
| gokrokve | noorul: I think this is important. We need to show that there are benefits right now. | 16:33 |
| noorul | That is what I also felt but I think m1 has deviation from earlier plan. | 16:33 |
| gokrokve | noorul: I think nobodt will listen stories about benefits in 5 year horizon. | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | we know from our discussions with potential end users, that there are a wide variety of needs and use cases. Solum appeals to some of those, and other existing systems appeal to others. | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | practically all cars have four wheels. Some are SUV's and others are two door coupes. Why do we need both types? Because the consumers have differing interests. | 16:35 |
| paulczar | adrian_otto: I agree you should draft up a mission statement as you have a good clear vision about what solum is and why it's important to openstack and different to <insert other thing here> | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I willt ake that as an action | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to draft mission statement and solicit input form interested contributors | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | if you would like to help, just let me know and I will be certain to include you (even if you are reading this as a transcript) | 16:36 |
| julienvey_ | I have to go, thanks adrian_otto for bringing this up early, interesting discussion | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey_: thanks! See you next time! | 16:37 |
| alexheneveld | being integrated with heat and openstack is a big differentiator | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, any more thoughts to consider on the incubation subject? | 16:37 |
| alexheneveld | cf has a nice approach based on bosh creating "stem cell nodes" but the "build on stem cells" approach won't fit everything. having standards of heat and openstack underneath allows nice alternatives. | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | alexheneveld: +1 | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's proceed to action items | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to support muralia for review of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MinimalCLI (for tasks specific to blueprints) | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | muralia: Should we carry this forward, or are we happy with this now? | 16:39 |
| muralia | I've looked through the etherpad. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MinimalCLI | 16:39 |
| muralia | it's good for now | 16:39 |
| noorul | I have questions | 16:39 |
| muralia | i had to make a few changes to the app create command | 16:39 |
| muralia | sure | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: please proceed | 16:40 |
| noorul | 1. Are we considering plan file for m1? | 16:40 |
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| devkulkarni | noorul: I can answer that | 16:40 |
| muralia | I'm workign with Angus to decide this. most probably not, or atleast, just a basic one with just a repo url | 16:40 |
| devkulkarni | asalkeld took first stab at implementing it. he found some issues which I think he is working out with alex. | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: Once concern we are working on is how best to express the difference between an application configuration, the related workflow(s), and the deployment architecture. | 16:41 |
| devkulkarni | In the mean time I think asalkeld is proceeding with a very simple plan file (which just contains git repo url), or an option of no plan file. | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | piling that all into one file made sense conceptually, but in practice turned out to be a bit messy | 16:41 |
| alexheneveld | + the project config file and the application deployment plan should be separate | 16:42 |
| alexheneveld | +1 ^^^ | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | so we are interested in ideas for how to address this | 16:42 |
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| alexheneveld | in particular you may have multiple deployment plans, for different environments etc | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | one possibility is what alexheneveld is suggesting which is to use separate files for the config and deployment | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | we could still have a single plan file that makes references to other files as needed | 16:43 |
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| alexheneveld | and project config (is there a better name for this?) focuses on per-project stuff, like how to build it, test it, what to promote when where etc | 16:43 |
| paulczar | with m1 functionality being very limited, do we really need a plan file ? or I guess more, can we just have a default plan file and have the CLI/API auto select it ? | 16:44 |
| alexheneveld | +1 adrian_otto project config would refer to individual deployment plans | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | alexheneveld: is there a etherpad that you and asalkeld are discussing this in? | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: the short answer to your question is yes, there will be a plan file. The uncertainty at this point is exactly what belongs in there, and what should be broken out into supporting files | 16:44 |
| noorul | Is this decision factored in this etherpad ? | 16:44 |
| noorul | I think we should focus on m1 | 16:44 |
| alexheneveld | devkulkarni: so far i don't think so ... i caught asalkeld quite late his time and it was a quick chat but i expect he will write it up | 16:44 |
| noorul | For m1 do we need plan file? | 16:45 |
| muralia | For M1, we might just want to keep it simple. one option is to just have one build/deployment workflow in solum for M1 and just pass in a plan file with a git repo url in it. or even ignore the plan file and just pass in the git repo url to the assembly create CLI call. | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | so one way to continue making forward progress on the m1 target is to defer some of the design effort, and focus on the simple case first. | 16:45 |
| muralia | I think the best would be to not use a plan file and keep it simple. | 16:45 |
| noorul | When I spoke to Angus y'day, I requested him to send an email to ML with planless idea | 16:45 |
| alexheneveld | +1 quite possibly we don't need deployment plan file for m1, there is a default way an app always gets deployed | 16:45 |
| noorul | I think he will be doing it may be by tomorrow | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | that would essentially amount to setting the repo URL as an environment variable, or an argument to the CLI | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | as that's the minimum piece if information needed for the simple workflow | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | s/if/of/ | 16:46 |
| muralia | adrian_otto: it could be sent in as an argument to the 'assembly create' command | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni | +1 to argument to CLI | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we are getting a bit crunched on time for today | 16:47 |
| alexheneveld | (the plan file would really be for setting different deployment configurations, as i see it) | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | I do see this decision as very important | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | would we like to continue now, or revisit this? | 16:47 |
| muralia | we could continue discussion on this etherpad. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MinimalCLI | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | muralia: okay, thanks. We can also schedule a breakout meeting for this if there is sufficient interest | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni | I would not like to clutter the cli etherpad with discussion about plan | 16:48 |
| muralia | sure | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | then link to another etherpad in that one | 16:48 |
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| noorul | devkulkarni: I think this is very important | 16:48 |
| noorul | devkulkarni: We need to narrow down the scope for m1. | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni | noorul: yes, I am not disagreeing. there was another etherpad (something called solum-demystified) | 16:49 |
| muralia | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-demystified | 16:49 |
| devkulkarni | I think plan was being discussed there. so just suggesting that we do plan brainstorming there. but no hard preference. anything that works | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | so let's ask it… who feels strongly that we should have a comprehensive plan file as part of m1, versus a streamlined workflow for the general case, and a simplified approach to accompany it? | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | I am partial to the simple approach, which will allow us freedom to iterate on it | 16:50 |
| muralia | +1 for simple approach | 16:50 |
| devkulkarni | +1 to streamlined workflow for general case | 16:50 |
| stannie | simple and then iterate | 16:50 |
| stannie | +1 | 16:50 |
| tomblank | +1 simple approach and then iterate on it | 16:50 |
| datsun180b | +1 for simple | 16:50 |
| rajdeep_ | i think we should focus on getting app deployed without too many complications | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | ok, good | 16:51 |
| alexheneveld | +1 | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | alternate viewpoints to consider? | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | ok , I will move to a #agreed | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed to use a simplified plan file approach for m1, so that it is suitable for a general use case, and allows additional features to be added in subsequent iterations. | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | does that sound about right? | 16:52 |
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| devkulkarni | so we are still saying we will have a plan file — just making sure.. | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni | but a simplified one | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: it may be implicit | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | there will be a plan resource regardless | 16:53 |
| muralia | no, we shouldnt. I'm guess that will be hashed out in the email that angus will send out soon | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | but we might actually bypass the file itself by using the CLI | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni | sure, okay. | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | ok, since we have limited time remaining, I'd like owners of blueprints to place any updates in the whiteboards on those respective BP's. | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | if you would like us all to hear your update, you are welcome to make it now. | 16:54 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: okay, will do. | 16:54 |
| devkulkarni | updates on specify-lang-pack. aratim's work got merged!! | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | whoot | 16:55 |
| * paulmo_ cheers Arati | 16:55 | |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| devkulkarni | stannie is planning to work on the rest of the actions (PUT/POST, etc.) from that BP | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | excellent | 16:56 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: gokrovke, asalkeld, and I were chatting about similarities and differences between murano. | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | I will be proposing additional core reviewer candidate(s) over the next week | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | if you have input, I'm open to hearing from you | 16:57 |
| devkulkarni | have you had a chance to sync up with gokrovke about this? | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: I had a chat with gokrokve, yes. | 16:57 |
| stannie | devkulkarni: I am currently working on functional tests for components so Julien Vey started working on PUT/POST for LP | 16:57 |
| devkulkarni | how does murano's workflow DSL line up with what we want to express? | 16:57 |
| devkulkarni | stannie: sounds good!! you guys rock :) | 16:58 |
| stannie | since he needs PUT/POST etc for LP in the functionnal test he started on LP :) | 16:58 |
| noorul | Yes! | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: they are in the same ballbpark. I think there is a good opportunity for us to work together | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm convinced that neither project wants unnecessary overlap, so it makes sense to coordinate efforts to the extent convenient | 16:59 |
| noorul | we were discussing thins the othe rday | 16:59 |
| gokrokve | adrian_otto: Agree. There is a lot of synergy between the projects. | 16:59 |
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| devkulkarni | gokrove, adrian_otto: sounds good | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | gokrokve: yes. It might be wise for us to co-author a Wiki page that discusses the similarities | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| gokrokve | adrian_otto: Sure. | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 4 17:00:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-03-04-16.00.html | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-03-04-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-03-04-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:00 |
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| ativelkov | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 4 17:01:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| ativelkov | Hi folks | 17:01 |
| ruhe | Hi! | 17:01 |
| ativelkov | A quick check who is present, please? | 17:01 |
| tsufiev | hello! | 17:01 |
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| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:02 |
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| ativelkov | Ok, let's begin | 17:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | Hi | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | #topic AI review | 17:03 |
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| ativelkov | We have just a few of AIs for today | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | ativelkov to create the remaining blueprints targeting 0.5 | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | The bluepwints and roadmap were created | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | thanks to sergmelikyan for assistance with this | 17:04 |
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| ativelkov | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Roadmap#Version_0.5_.28end_of_March.2C_2014.29 - this is the updated roadmap | 17:04 |
| ativelkov | It turns our we are going to have the biggest release ever | 17:04 |
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| ativelkov | The next ai was low priority: tsufiev to look at Marconi (low priority task) | 17:05 |
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| tsufiev | haven't started yet | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | I see | 17:05 |
| gokrokve | Hi | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | could you please create a BP for this? | 17:05 |
| katyafervent | Hi guys | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | hi | 17:05 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: do you mind if i link my bp repository-reorganization on this wiki page? | 17:05 |
| tsufiev | ativelkov: yes, will do | 17:05 |
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| ativelkov | ruke - sure, please do | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | #action ruhe to add repository-reorganization BP to roadmap | 17:06 |
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| ativelkov | #action tsufiev to create a BP on Marconi usage | 17:06 |
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| ativelkov | next ai | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | ativelkov to update the incubation statuspad | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | It is updated | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-incubation-status | 17:07 |
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| ativelkov | The etherpad link is added to our Incubation page on wiki | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Incubation | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | We are done with AIs, I guess | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | Next topic :) | 17:09 |
| ativelkov | #topic Roadmap review for Murano 0.5 | 17:09 |
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| ativelkov | So, the roadmap is updated | 17:09 |
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| ativelkov | I've structured it in several dimensions | 17:09 |
| katyafervent | Now it's more clear) | 17:09 |
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| ativelkov | First part is feature-based, second is split by modules, third one is infrustructure-related. | 17:10 |
| ativelkov | The latter is mostly needed to simplify our incubation | 17:10 |
| ativelkov | It's quite long, so I don't want to repeat it here: I'd rather answer the questions if somebody have them | 17:11 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: should we create BPs for the last 3 infra items? maybe they exist already? | 17:11 |
| ativelkov | ruhe: yes, I am sure we need them | 17:12 |
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| ruhe | ativelkov: then you can add one more AI for me :) | 17:12 |
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| ativelkov | does anybody know if launchpad allows to differentiate "tasks", "use-cases" and "feature improvements"? | 17:13 |
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| ativelkov | #action ruhe to create BPs for infrustructure-related items in roadmap | 17:13 |
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| ativelkov | Any other questions on the roadmap? | 17:14 |
| ativelkov | Ok, then let's proceed | 17:14 |
| ativelkov | #topic MuranoRepository v2 API | 17:15 |
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| ativelkov | I'd pass the word to katyafervent who designed this API | 17:15 |
| ativelkov | katyafervent, could you give an update? | 17:16 |
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| katyafervent | Well, we have designed it collaboratively I just documented it | 17:16 |
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| katyafervent | Here http://docs.muranorepositoryapi.apiary.io/ it could be found | 17:17 |
| katyafervent | so we need to approve it together with the community and it will be ready for an implementation | 17:17 |
| ativelkov | #link http://docs.muranorepositoryapi.apiary.io/ - docs for the muranorepository | 17:18 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: where should i post my comments - mailing list? | 17:18 |
| katyafervent | Also we decided do not to switch for Pecan for now | 17:18 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent: is it possible to use apiary for discussion? | 17:18 |
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| ativelkov | katyafervent: which engine should we use? | 17:18 |
| katyafervent | ruhe, you can post comment directly on that page, etherpad or mailing list | 17:18 |
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| katyafervent | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/muranorepository-api | 17:19 |
| katyafervent | here is the etherpad for a discussion | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | I would prefer to use community-approved ways of discussing | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | so, etherpad should be fine | 17:19 |
| katyafervent | that is etherpad, right? | 17:19 |
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| katyafervent | Ok) | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | Yes | 17:19 |
| katyafervent | We will stay with Flask | 17:20 |
| katyafervent | Right? | 17:20 |
| ativelkov | I've already added some notes to the etherpad | 17:20 |
| tsufiev | ativelkov: ok, just curious ) | 17:20 |
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| ativelkov | #info Flask to be used to implement v2 api of murano metadata repository | 17:20 |
| katyafervent | That's it for v2 API | 17:21 |
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| katyafervent | leave your comments on the etherpad page | 17:21 |
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| ativelkov | Any questions on the current api draft? | 17:21 |
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| ativelkov | So, then I'd suggest to postpone this discussion to the next meeting - I hope more people will read the drafts and have more questions | 17:22 |
| katyafervent | ativelkov, good idea | 17:23 |
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| ativelkov | next topic | 17:23 |
| ativelkov | #topic Commands/Events discussion | 17:23 |
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| ativelkov | gokrokve: please, drive this | 17:24 |
| gokrokve | Sure. | 17:24 |
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| gokrokve | Murano needs to provide a way for extarnal tools to call specific action of the application. | 17:24 |
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| gokrokve | The simplest example is backup action. | 17:25 |
| gokrokve | Called by Mistral service, for example. | 17:25 |
| gokrokve | There is a BP to add an ability to register event hooks capability in Murano DSL for application definitions. | 17:26 |
| ativelkov | Why do we need some additional hooks? | 17:26 |
| gokrokve | Each application\class can register a set of actions which will be available to call from the outside | 17:26 |
| ativelkov | From the DSLs point of view any public method of the application can be called from outside. Why do you need to "register" something? | 17:27 |
| gokrokve | I am not saying that they are additional. A callable hook is a term to describe something which is exposed to outside | 17:27 |
| gokrokve | Because you need to support this on API level | 17:27 |
| sergmelikyan | but support on API level also does not need any registration | 17:28 |
| ativelkov | for now we have an API endpoint like /v1/environments/%env_id%/deploy | 17:28 |
| gokrokve | for users the term event hook is understandable. The term public action is not self obvious for user and can be a source of wrong exposing by application developer who considers public method from OOP world | 17:28 |
| ativelkov | this eventually calls a "deploy" action for the given env | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | We can call this actions/commands/events by uri like ativelkov shown above | 17:29 |
| ativelkov | There is one point here though | 17:29 |
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| ativelkov | These APIs - as external connection points - are actually part of CLOUD interface | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | not the application's | 17:30 |
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| gokrokve | How user will get a list of actions available. How cloud admin ot user can prevent call to this action | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | So, I would say that the cloud administrator should be responsible for allowing or forbidding to call these APIs | 17:30 |
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| ativelkov | I think about the following two use-cases | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | 1) Admin's case | 17:31 |
| gokrokve | Sure. That is why I suppose to add a well defined entity with controllable access. | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | For a given application-package administrato may inspect the list of public actions | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | for each of these actions administrator may enable or disable external communication | 17:32 |
| ativelkov | and even probably specify the URL | 17:32 |
| ativelkov | or define a notification topic if we use notification-based APIs instead of REST | 17:32 |
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| ativelkov | Then, a second case | 17:32 |
| ativelkov | 2) user's | 17:32 |
| sergmelikyan | gokrokve, i think first level of control should be available to application publisher. I am not sure that there is a reason for cloud administrator to interfere here | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | User deploya an application from this package | 17:33 |
| gokrokve | What about user? Ex an example, I deployed an application which has public method backup. I don't want this method to be called as I did not prepare backup env. How I can disable it? | 17:33 |
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| sergmelikyan | Since all action are are done on behalf of the user, using his\ resources. | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | For a deployed application user may see a list of endpoints (call them "hooks" if you wish) which we configured by admin | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | and then use them as he wishes | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: application publisher may not be aware about the cloud environment and its capabilities | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan | gokrokve, there could not be actions outside of the application/environment | 17:34 |
| gokrokve | ativelkov: This will require admin to read the application DSL and in advance figure out all use cases for users. | 17:35 |
| gokrokve | I don't think that this will work. | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, sure but cloud administrator is not aware about which action what capabilities require | 17:35 |
| ativelkov | That's a good point, I agree | 17:35 |
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| ativelkov | But I don't think that app publisher can define this alone as well | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | gokrokve, but I don't see how registering action in API gives any benefits | 17:36 |
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| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: +1 | 17:36 |
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| ativelkov | actually, "registered event" will be just additional keyword to the method declaration | 17:36 |
| gokrokve | So. application developer will expose as much as possible to the outside to have a flexibility. User will do a fine tune of what he wants to use and what should be prohibited in his environment. | 17:36 |
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| sergmelikyan | gokrokve, who is "user" that you are mentioning? | 17:37 |
| gokrokve | sergmelikyan: tha actual implementation can be different. This BP just shows the requirement of: | 17:37 |
| gokrokve | 1) ability to list hook available for application | 17:37 |
| gokrokve | 2) enable\disable there hook in his particular deployment | 17:37 |
| gokrokve | User is a person who deployms an app in his environment | 17:38 |
| ativelkov | I've got your point | 17:38 |
| gokrokve | As I said, app developer will tend to expose as much as possible | 17:39 |
| sergmelikyan | Do you mean that action are available to someone that does not have any access to actual deployed environment? | 17:39 |
| gokrokve | User will tend to restrict as much as possible allowing anly hooks which he actually uses | 17:39 |
| ativelkov | I just don't like the term "hook" | 17:39 |
| sergmelikyan | gokrokve, what reasons to restrict? | 17:40 |
| gokrokve | You can do this by exposing actions directly. But there should be API call to list them and enable them | 17:40 |
| ativelkov | As these are just a publicly available actions | 17:40 |
| sergmelikyan | publicly?! | 17:40 |
| gokrokve | sergmelikyan: because you can break something | 17:40 |
| ativelkov | well, I mean, from outside of the environment | 17:40 |
| sergmelikyan | What reason may be to have them publicly available? | 17:40 |
| sergmelikyan | If resources to which this actions/commands apply available only to the user? | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: I mean there are 3 types of accessability for class actions | 17:41 |
| gokrokve | sergmelikyan: these actions are exposed to outside. someone sends a request to this hook and Murano will perform action which may be undesired from user perspective | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | 1) private - i.e. the actions which are called only by other actions of this class | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | 2) old-sense public (you may call them "internal" , which is similar to C#) - actions which may be called by other classes of this environment | 17:42 |
| gokrokve | sergmelikyan: because 3rd party systems not necesserely integrated with keystone | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | 3) gokrokve-sense public (or "hooks") - to allow calling them via murano-api or notifications | 17:43 |
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| ativelkov | Like, ceilometer will call "scaleUp" action | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | so, scaleUp action is publicly available via some API | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | but ceilometer could not call this action without user authentication - resources are money | 17:44 |
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| ativelkov | Nice point | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | This means that the user - when generating a URL for this action - may specify some secret key there | 17:44 |
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| ativelkov | So, the actual method will be called by calling muranohost/api/v2/enviroments/%env_id%/%app_id%/event_name/?token=... | 17:46 |
| ativelkov | where the token is generated by user's request | 17:46 |
| ativelkov | We may think about using barbican to share this secret | 17:46 |
| ativelkov | But this is a long-term goal | 17:46 |
| ativelkov | We need a simple concept to begin with | 17:47 |
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| ativelkov | I would still think about admin's ability to restrict the usage of the public actions for the whole package | 17:48 |
| ativelkov | But this is also just a desired option | 17:48 |
| ativelkov | In general I like gokrokve's proposal | 17:48 |
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| ativelkov | Any other concerns about this topic? | 17:49 |
| gokrokve | let's move on. | 17:49 |
| ativelkov | So, have we agreed that this feature is needed? | 17:49 |
| gokrokve | What is about devstack gate? | 17:50 |
| gokrokve | Feature itself is needed. I have customer's demand for it. | 17:50 |
| ativelkov | #agreed to have a public action discovery and enablence | 17:50 |
| ativelkov | #topic Open discussion | 17:50 |
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| sergmelikyan | I think in case of direct control over which method may be called by what service we need some way to register specific action under specific (i think random) URI with specific access token that can be shared with one or more applications. Simularly how it is done in many existing authentication systems. | 17:51 |
| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: yes, exactly | 17:51 |
| sergmelikyan | And this is should be done on methods marked somehow as 'public/external' | 17:51 |
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| ativelkov | yup | 17:52 |
| ativelkov | So, the devstack gate. That's mostly a question to tnurlygayanov | 17:52 |
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| ativelkov | afaik, there are two patchsets waiting: one in infra, another one in our repo | 17:52 |
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| ativelkov | The links can be found in incubation-status etherpad | 17:53 |
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| ativelkov | probably tnurlygayanov can give more update on this. Timur? | 17:53 |
| tnurlygayanov | hm ) | 17:53 |
| tnurlygayanov | hi there ) | 17:53 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes, we have devstack scripts and functional tests for devstack gates | 17:54 |
| tnurlygayanov | and we just wainting for aprove | 17:54 |
| tnurlygayanov | Here the link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75078/ | 17:55 |
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| ruhe | tnurlygayanov: there are some unresolved comments in your patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74998/ | 17:55 |
| tnurlygayanov | and also this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74998/ | 17:55 |
| tnurlygayanov | yes, I will fix it | 17:55 |
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| tnurlygayanov | Dmitry Teselkin will help me with it | 17:55 |
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| tnurlygayanov | I hope ) | 17:55 |
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| ativelkov | Good, sounds nice | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | Any other questions? | 17:57 |
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| stanlagun | Sorry for being late, but can we schedule hangout to discuss event handling? This seems to be much wider topic | 17:57 |
| ativelkov | stanlagun: we may do it in IRC, so others may join | 17:58 |
| stanlagun | And life-cycle management in general | 17:58 |
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| ativelkov | we can make it tomorrow in murano channel | 17:58 |
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| stanlagun | others can join hangout too | 17:58 |
| ativelkov | We'll IRC is a common way | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | We may start in IRC and will move to hangout if everybody are ok with that | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | I'll schedule a meeting and send an invite | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | We are running out of time | 17:59 |
| * ozstacker is away: | 17:59 | |
| ativelkov | So, just a reminder: TC will be reviwing our incubation request today | 18:00 |
| ativelkov | at 20:00 UTC | 18:00 |
| ativelkov | All who are interested may join #openstack-dev | 18:00 |
| ativelkov | Thanks for joining, bye ) | 18:00 |
| katyafervent | Ok) | 18:00 |
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| ativelkov | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| katyafervent | bb | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 4 18:00:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-03-04-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-03-04-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-03-04-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| jistr | o/ | 19:03 |
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| marios | \o | 19:04 |
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| jrist | o/ | 19:04 |
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| jrist | hmm | 19:06 |
| jrist | I wonder if it is off due to the mid march meetup | 19:06 |
| tchaypo | lifeless is currently talking at a whiteboard | 19:06 |
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| jrist | lol | 19:07 |
| tchaypo | spamaps is fixing ci last i heard | 19:07 |
| tchaypo | yep, still going at it | 19:07 |
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| jistr | lifeless: will there be a meeting? | 19:07 |
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| jistr | tchaypo: if you have lifeless there, could you please pass my question ^ | 19:10 |
| pblaho | \o | 19:10 |
| jistr | o/ | 19:10 |
| marios | jistr: matty dubs said he didn't think so mate (from what it looks like there) | 19:12 |
| jistr | marios: ok thanks | 19:12 |
| marios | night guys ;) | 19:12 |
| jistr | good night | 19:12 |
| pblaho | do we have meeting now? | 19:13 |
| jistr | pblaho: most probably there won't be a meeting today | 19:14 |
| pblaho | jistr: ah.. ok... will see | 19:14 |
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| lsmola | hello | 19:16 |
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| pblaho | o/ | 19:38 |
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