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| ajo | hi carl_baldwin ;) | 14:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | ajo: hello | 14:56 |
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| amuller | safchain: DVR meeting? | 15:05 |
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| Swami | hi all | 15:06 |
| safchain | Hi all | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi Swami | 15:06 |
| amuller | heya | 15:06 |
| Swami | Hi carl, sorry I dialed into the wrong channel | 15:06 |
| Swami | amuller: hi | 15:06 |
| Swami | ping safchain | 15:07 |
| safchain | Swami, Hi | 15:07 |
| Swami | #startmeeting Distributed_virtual_router | 15:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 5 15:07:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:07 |
| Swami | safchain: hi | 15:07 |
| Swami | #info DVR L2 Agent Doc | 15:08 |
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| Swami | On Monday I have sent out the L2 Agent Design doc for review based on the F2F Meeting Followup. | 15:08 |
| ajo | hi :) | 15:08 |
| Swami | hi ajo | 15:08 |
| Swami | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1depasJSnGZPOnRLxEC_PYsVLcGVFXZLqP52RFTe21BE/edit | 15:08 |
| Swami | I have also created a Wiki for the L2 work. I need to do some clean up and then I will forward it out. | 15:09 |
| Swami | I am still working on the L3 details for the FIP and SNAT, once it is ready I will send i tout for review. | 15:10 |
| Swami | safchain: How is your vrrp review moving, is it going to be part of the Icehouse 3 milestone | 15:11 |
| safchain | Swami, need reviews on agent side, still have tiny issue with one unit test, will fix it by the end of the day | 15:12 |
| amuller | safchain: Can you say what patches need a review the most? | 15:13 |
| amuller | or just all of them? | 15:13 |
| safchain | all :) | 15:13 |
| amuller | Did you get an extension from Mark? | 15:14 |
| Swami | Hi folks, it would be great if you all can review the L2 agent doc and provide feedback. | 15:14 |
| safchain | here is a doc to test it https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P2OnlKAGMeSZTbGENNAKOse6B2TRXJ8keUMVvtUCUSM/edit# | 15:14 |
| ajo | safchain, interesting :) | 15:15 |
| safchain | amuller, I asked carl_baldwin about that | 15:15 |
| Swami | safchain: Thanks I will take a look at it. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: I brought that up in the neutron meeting. It will need a risk assessment. | 15:15 |
| safchain | the database has to be updated, after applying the patches | 15:15 |
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| safchain | I will had this remark in the doc | 15:16 |
| amuller | safchain: Please do :)\ | 15:16 |
| ajo | carl_baldwin, safchain then it's critical to get it by icehouse if we ever want it in icehouse (db migrations problem= | 15:16 |
| ajo | db migration backport problem | 15:16 |
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| amuller | safchain: I notice that the conntrackd patch isn't included in the how-to-test doc. If I understand correctly the plan is to try to push the VRRP stuff for Icehouse, and either drop conntrack support or add it in Juno? | 15:17 |
| Swami | safchain: we did not see for a while, do you have any questions from our face to face meeting. | 15:18 |
| Swami | #topic DVR next steps | 15:18 |
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| Swami | Hi Folks, I wanted to get to the next steps for the DVR work. | 15:18 |
| Swami | We are not targeting the DVR work for Icehouse. | 15:18 |
| safchain | amuller, it was to catch comments on a basic implementation, I think we could add conntrack in another patch | 15:19 |
| Swami | But will be targeted for the the Juno Milestone 1 . | 15:19 |
| safchain | Swami, I will take a look at your doc first, question maybe after | 15:20 |
| ajo | Swami, Milestone 1 ? | 15:20 |
| Swami | ajo: Yes | 15:20 |
| ajo | That means that there is code already working? | 15:20 |
| Swami | ajo: some work in progress, East-West. | 15:21 |
| ajo | good :-), | 15:21 |
| Swami | I have not pushed any WIP code upstream and waiting for all the agent reviews to finish | 15:21 |
| ajo | Probably, the earliest you start sharing, the better (for your implementation to get reviewed / approved, etc..,) | 15:21 |
| ajo | (IMHO) | 15:21 |
| Swami | ajo: I agree with you. | 15:22 |
| safchain | ajo, Swami agree with that | 15:22 |
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| ajo | anyway, Juno is at the doorstep :) | 15:22 |
| amuller | Swami: I'll review the L2 design doc early next week... Ajo: I think there's design work to do before going over implementation :) | 15:22 |
| ajo | thanks for clarification Swami, safchain | 15:22 |
| Swami | carl: What would be the outcome of the L2 agent doc that Mark requested. Should we have another meeting with Mark to finalize that or will it be all done thorugh the ML. | 15:23 |
| amuller | Juno milestone 1 is in 3~ months? With the time it takes for patches to get merged in Neutron I think it's too optimistic | 15:23 |
| Swami | amuller: I need to target for Milestone 1 so that, atleast our code ends up by milestone 3. | 15:24 |
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| ajo | sure, it's a good starting deadline, if it can be for ML1, it's great, if in the end it's for ML3, will get less testing, but should be ok yet | 15:24 |
| Swami | From my previous experience, even if you have your code ready milestone 1 sometimes, it takes a long time to review and push it up. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I imagine Mark will want to see a review by someone from on ML2 perspective. We should ask if there is someone in particular that he would like to have review it. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | I could coordinate that. | 15:25 |
| Swami | carl, can you bring up this topic in today's ML2 discussion | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Their meeting is next hour, right? It may be difficult for me to attend that meeting. | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | Let me see, I can probably do it. | 15:27 |
| Swami | Ok, then I will send a reminder to Kyle Mistery to bring up this topic | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami, I'll take it to their meeting. | 15:28 |
| Swami | safchain, amuller: Last week in the L3 meeting I raised this question about the HA for the centralized service node. | 15:28 |
| Swami | carl: Thanks | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin to discuss review of L2 changes in ML2 meeting. | 15:29 |
| Swami | safchain: The vrrp implementation that you have for the L3 can this be used for our centralized service node. | 15:29 |
| safchain | Swami, yes I think | 15:30 |
| Swami | safchain: Thanks, that is one think I need to get clarified, so that we can utilize your work on this. | 15:31 |
| Swami | Also amuller had a blueprint on the vrrp with active: active | 15:31 |
| amuller | Swami: DVR will use the service node only for SNAT traffic, right? | 15:31 |
| amuller | (And for *aaS but we're not talking about that) | 15:32 |
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| amuller | for the SNAT traffic we can schedule HA routers on the service nodes and that will be a fantastic supplement for DVR | 15:32 |
| Swami | amuller: Yes current proposal is to use it for SNAT, any VPN Service and for DHCP. | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | DHCP? | 15:33 |
| Swami | Moving forward, we might have to probably also distributed the DHCP if possible. | 15:33 |
| amuller | I think Mark is proposing a distributed DHCP approach usiing OpenFlow and the L2 agent | 15:33 |
| amuller | replacing the dnsmasq based DHCP agent | 15:34 |
| Swami | Mark who? | 15:34 |
| amuller | McClain, I thought, but I may be wrong | 15:34 |
| Swami | Is it Mark McClain | 15:34 |
| ajo | only openflow + l2 agent?, do we have more details about his proposal? | 15:35 |
| amuller | Not yet Ajo | 15:35 |
| Swami | I think we should have a follow on proposal to move the DHCP into the compute nodes and leave the service node just for the SNAT. | 15:35 |
| ajo | what'd be actually answering the DHCP requests? | 15:35 |
| amuller | ajo: br-int | 15:36 |
| ajo | openflow rules? | 15:36 |
| Swami | I have not seen any proposal on this, but I will check it out. | 15:36 |
| amuller | yep | 15:36 |
| amuller | I guess Mark will raise it in Atlanta | 15:36 |
| ajo | amuller, doesn't sound bad | 15:36 |
| Swami | #topic General Discussons | 15:36 |
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| amuller | yeah it makes a lot of sense | 15:36 |
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| Swami | Folks, I have a hard stop around 7.40, so if you have any other questions please let me know. | 15:36 |
| ajo | Also, we have the neutron-ns-metadata-proxy that lives with the routers | 15:36 |
| amuller | Yeah we've encountered multiple customers saying that when using Neutron and booting 30~ instances some of them don't get IPs | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | I think a follow on for DHCP will be good. It is independent of the router. | 15:37 |
| amuller | Maybe this distributed approach will solve it | 15:37 |
| ajo | converting that into openflow rules, or other approach, would be interesting too | 15:37 |
| Swami | yes the metadata-proxy is currently handled by our distributed approach. | 15:37 |
| ajo | ah, good to know | 15:37 |
| amuller | safchain: I'll make it a priority tomorrow to review your patches | 15:37 |
| safchain | amuller, thx a lot | 15:37 |
| ajo | Swami, briefly, how is it handled exactly? (i can read the docs) | 15:37 |
| ajo | safchain, me too | 15:38 |
| Swami | can you send me an email, and I will forward you the details. | 15:38 |
| ajo | sure Swami doing it right now. | 15:38 |
| Swami | Folks, please review the doc and let me know if you have any questions. | 15:38 |
| Swami | Next week, we must be having a clear plan to move forward. | 15:38 |
| ajo | Swami, I will | 15:39 |
| Swami | If anyone interested please let me know if you would like to part of the contribution. | 15:39 |
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| amuller | Swami: Is there any way to get rid of the Neutron metadata proxy, and just have the DVR routing on the compute node to forward the traffic to the Nova metadata service? I haven't looked into this too deeply but I still don't get why the Neutron metadata binary even exists | 15:39 |
| Swami | As i mentioned I am targeting June milestone 1. | 15:39 |
| amuller | Swami: Definitely considering me for the implementation | 15:39 |
| Swami | See you all next week. | 15:39 |
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| ajo | Swami, me too | 15:39 |
| Swami | Thanks for your responses. There is lot more work, and need the sub-teams help in there. | 15:40 |
| safchain | me too | 15:40 |
| ajo | Yes, the neutron-ns-metadata-proxy takes 27MB per qrouter instance atm | 15:40 |
| Swami | Next week we will probably highlight the tasks and then probably can assign the tasks. | 15:40 |
| Swami | Hope this helps. | 15:40 |
| Swami | See you next week. | 15:40 |
| Swami | Thanks everyone for joining | 15:41 |
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| ajo | Thank you Swami | 15:41 |
| safchain | Swami, thx | 15:41 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 5 15:41:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-03-05-15.07.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-03-05-15.07.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-03-05-15.07.log.html | 15:41 |
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| amuller | Swami: I think maybe moving to 2 meetings a week or maybe a longer meeting would be great | 15:42 |
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| Swami | yes, once we get going, we can use the monday meeting slot after the neutron meeting | 15:43 |
| amuller | ok | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: We can also use part of the L3 sub team meeting if needed. I invite you to attend tomorrow at the same time in #openstack-meeting-3 | 15:54 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: Ok I'll be there | 15:57 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: ls there a calendar invite? | 15:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | Great. I don't have a calendar invite but it is on the openstack meeting calendar. | 15:58 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: Thanks | 15:59 |
| HenryG | carl_baldwin: what is the name of the meeting on the openstack meeting calendar? | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Neutron-L3-Subteam | 16:00 |
| amuller | HenryG: Neutron L3 Sub Team Meeting | 16:00 |
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| amuller | Oh boy, I added the OpenStack meetings calendar, now my entire week is full =D | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | hi ml2'ers! | 16:01 |
| amotoki | hey | 16:01 |
| mestery | o/ | 16:01 |
| banix | hi | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | Hi | 16:02 |
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| yamamoto_ | hi | 16:02 |
| * pcm_ lurking as usual :) | 16:02 | |
| * mestery thanks rkukura for running this week's meeting since he has to duck out at half past the hour. | 16:02 | |
| rcurran | hi | 16:02 |
| rkukura | in case anyone hasn't noticed, I've got a new email address, but am still working on neutron and ML2 | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 5 16:03:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | icehouse feature freeze was yesterday, but there are a few straggling merges and some FFEs for ML2 | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | plus some time to fix bugs | 16:05 |
| rkukura | and work on docs | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #topic Action Item Review | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | there were no official action items recorded last week | 16:06 |
| rkukura | are there any that didn't get recorded? | 16:07 |
| trinaths | Hi rkukura | 16:07 |
| mestery | rkukura: I don't think so, no. | 16:07 |
| trinaths | Hi mestery | 16:07 |
| rkukura | So for today, lets focus on merges that potentially get into icehouse | 16:08 |
| rkukura | #topic Mechanism driver status for icehouse | 16:08 |
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| HenryG | Hi | 16:08 |
| shivharis | rkukura: brocade md is in 'about to be' merged state. thanks for the last minute help, appreciate it | 16:09 |
| rkukura | see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_March_5.2C_2014 for the ones I'm aware of | 16:09 |
| trinaths | I have completed code and submitted for review and 3rd party setup is ready today.. | 16:09 |
| shivharis | mestery: thanks for the reviews. | 16:09 |
| trinaths | but its defered by mark | 16:09 |
| rkukura | here, approved means the patch has been reviewed and approved, but is either waiting to get merged, or maybe needs rebasing | 16:09 |
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| mestery | trinaths: You will have to ask markmcclain for a FFE, it's out of our hands now. | 16:10 |
| shivharis | rkukura: mark initiated the merge | 16:10 |
| trinaths | FFE ?? | 16:10 |
| rkukura | FFE is feature freeze extension | 16:10 |
| rkukura | so far, ODL has an official FFE | 16:10 |
| rkukura | mestery: Is that on track to finish review and have 3rd party testing this week? | 16:11 |
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| mestery | rkukura: I hope so, dealing with some issues in the third party testing. | 16:11 |
| trinaths | oh.. can you guide me on how can I achieve this .. is it via email.. ?? can I mail mark with a request to FFE | 16:11 |
| amotoki | trinaths: when did you propose the code? | 16:12 |
| trinaths | Its a week back | 16:12 |
| trinaths | but mark hase some review comments | 16:12 |
| trinaths | and I have updated then and posted back review | 16:12 |
| rkukura | trinaths: Can you paste the link to the review? | 16:12 |
| amotoki | i think it is one of important factors to consider FFE. it seems to be late for feature proposal review deadline.... | 16:13 |
| trinaths | rkukura: here it is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78092/ | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | trinaths: Were earlier versions reviewed separately? | 16:14 |
| trinaths | yes | 16:14 |
| trinaths | old versions | 16:15 |
| trinaths | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71868/ | 16:15 |
| trinaths | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73985/ | 16:15 |
| trinaths | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70089/ | 16:15 |
| trinaths | I was struck with Ci setup | 16:16 |
| trinaths | now I have it running in my testsetup | 16:16 |
| rkukura | trinaths: I'll add these links to the agenda page. I think you'll need to negotiate with markmcclain to see if an FFE can be granted, and recruit reviewers | 16:16 |
| HenryG | The cisco_apic mech driver missed 3rd party testing deadline yesterday, but we will get it working today and ask for FFE. | 16:17 |
| rkukura | It usually helps to keep the same Change-Id for updates so the history is obvious | 16:17 |
| trinaths | rkukura: thankyou for the help.. Do I need to mail mark or post in openstackdev list regarding FFE | 16:17 |
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| amotoki | why do you post a new review instead of restoring the review? It allows us to track the review history. | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | trinaths: I'd try both if needed | 16:17 |
| trinaths | okay.. since, I dont have an email of mark.. can you share..! | 16:18 |
| rkukura | HenryG: I put deferred? for the apic status, knowing you were negotiating an FFE | 16:18 |
| trinaths | will post it now | 16:18 |
| HenryG | rkukura: thanks. The cisco CI has to test many products and it takes a lot of manual labor to keep it running smoothly. | 16:18 |
| rkukura | trinaths: Mark's email should be in any of the recent gerrit reviews he's done | 16:19 |
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| rkukura | Other MDs listed as deferred are cisco_ucs and huawei. Are we looking for FFEs for these, or are they going to target juno? | 16:20 |
| trinaths | yes.. got it.. will post a mail for FFE.. now | 16:20 |
| sadasu | for cisco_ucs I am working on 3rd party testing setup | 16:20 |
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| * pcm_ mmcclain@yahoo-inc.com | 16:20 | |
| sadasu | working through some issues... | 16:21 |
| rkukura | Its important that any of these FFEs get reviews from ML2 team members for them to have any chance to make icehouse | 16:21 |
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| sadasu | once I have that ready, looking for FFE too | 16:21 |
| asomya | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73355/ | 16:21 |
| asomya | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73372/ | 16:21 |
| asomya | These are the two patches for the APIC MD | 16:22 |
| rkukura | Ok, we'll update the agenda with links and "FFE?" for anything hoping to get an FFE. | 16:22 |
| rkukura | Anything else on mechanism drivers for icehouse? Did I miss any? | 16:22 |
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| irenab | rkukura: when the code should be ready to get FFE? | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | to get an FFE for a blueprint, it really should already be in review | 16:23 |
| irenab | there is the following MD for SRIOV https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74464/, but still in WIP | 16:23 |
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| yamamoto_ | s/ryu/ofagent/ in the agenda please | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | irenab: You'll need to discuss an FFE with markmclain | 16:24 |
| rkukura | I'll add the link to the agenda | 16:24 |
| irenab | rkukura: Thanks | 16:24 |
| amotoki | yamamoto_: done | 16:24 |
| rkukura | yamamoto_: ok | 16:25 |
| yamamoto_ | thanks | 16:25 |
| rkukura | anything else on MDs? | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | #topic Other BPs for icehouse | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | marun: Any update on the migration BP? | 16:26 |
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| rkukura | This one has an FFE and is in review | 16:26 |
| rkukura | I guess marun isn't really here - lets give https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76533/ some review attention - its critical to finish deprecating the old monolithic plugins | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | Is Cedric (zzelle) here? | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | Guess not. His partial specs BP implementation looks ready to merge to me, but seems to have missed the deadline. | 16:30 |
| rkukura | Put the wrong link in the agenda for the 1st part | 16:31 |
| rkukura | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71904/ | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | If others think this is important, please review it. This is a possible FFE in my opinion. | 16:32 |
| rkukura | Are there any other ML2 BPs that I missed in the agenda that might make icehouse? | 16:32 |
| rkukura | ok, moving on... | 16:34 |
| rkukura | #topic Bugs for icehouse | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | Of the two I'm working on that effect the MD API, the 1st was approved but the verify failed | 16:35 |
| rkukura | I'll fix it if needed, so I think that should get merged soon | 16:35 |
| rkukura | The 2nd, which moves port binding outside the transactions is in progress and should be in review by the end of the week. | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | What other ML2 bug fixes are being worked on for icehouse? | 16:37 |
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| rcurran | i've got a few for cisco_nexus md | 16:37 |
| banix | I have this: Not critical but in case you want to have a look: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69792/ | 16:38 |
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| banix | Mark did review it a few days back; updated to address his suggestions. | 16:39 |
| trinaths | rkukura: can you guide me on recruit reviewers.. | 16:39 |
| rkukura | I'd suggest adding those links to the agenda to encourage reviews and so we can track them next week | 16:39 |
| shivharis | rkukura, banix: do we expect a precommit-rollbacks? | 16:39 |
| trinaths | i feel yourself and mestery can be my code reviewers .. any suggestions | 16:39 |
| shivharis | in plugins? | 16:40 |
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| banix | shivharis, : I do not think so | 16:40 |
| rkukura | trinaths: I'm certainly willing to review it. | 16:40 |
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| trinaths | rkukura: thanks a lot sir.. :) | 16:40 |
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| shivharis | banix: i;ll look at your patch, have not seen it yet | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: Doesn't throwing an exception in *-precommit already result in rollback? | 16:41 |
| trinaths | Hi Mark | 16:41 |
| banix | shivharis: Thanks. | 16:41 |
| shivharis | rkukura: if the postcommit fails, there needs to be explicit rollback, i look at the patch and comment, i dont know how it is implemented. later. | 16:42 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Is that addressed by banix's patch (which I haven't reviewed yet)? | 16:43 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: i have not seen the implementation, will take a look today | 16:43 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Same here. | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | Any other bugs to discuss? | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | I see DVR has been added to the agenda | 16:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 16:45 |
| rkukura | #topic Distributed Virtual Router | 16:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | Should be quick. | 16:45 |
| carl_baldwin | I just wanted to point out that DVR design includes some work in L2. A document describing the work is available for review. | 16:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1depasJSnGZPOnRLxEC_PYsVLcGVFXZLqP52RFTe21BE/edit#heading=h.5w7clq272tji | 16:46 |
| rkukura | carl_baldwin: Is this likely to make icehouse, or is it for juno? | 16:46 |
| carl_baldwin | The target is currently Juno-1. Not Icehouse. | 16:46 |
| carl_baldwin | DVR is a use case under the L3 sub team. | 16:46 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 16:47 |
| carl_baldwin | Is there anyone interested/willing to review? | 16:47 |
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| amotoki | i am interested in it. | 16:48 |
| rkukura | carl_baldwin: Is the idea to package this as an MD in ML2, or does the plugin itself need to change? | 16:48 |
| rkukura | Seems like the L2 population MD might be a good model | 16:48 |
| carl_baldwin | rkukura: A good question. I have only begun to review the document myself. | 16:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | That would be a great question to add as a comment to the document if it is not clear. | 16:49 |
| rkukura | carl_baldwin: Thanks for bringing this up. I encourage everyone to review and comment on the doc. | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin: I want to look into this | 16:49 |
| carl_baldwin | Great, thank you. That is all I had for this meeting. | 16:49 |
| rkukura | Anything else on DVR today? | 16:49 |
| carl_baldwin | Sukhdev: Thank you for your interest. | 16:49 |
| carl_baldwin | Nothing else. | 16:49 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | carl_baldwin: Does it provide hooks for physical devices? | 16:50 |
| carl_baldwin | Sukhdev: I don't think that has been addressed yet. Another great question to ask in the document. | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | Anything else before we wrap up? | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: QQ | 16:52 |
| rkukura | ? | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: ML2 agent work - that replaces ovs agent is all in for I3? | 16:52 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I'm not aware of anything on that for icehouse | 16:54 |
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| amotoki | /FYI/ I updated the links in the agenda based on the discussion in the meeting. | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: OK - somebody brought up yesterday - was curious | 16:54 |
| rkukura | amotoki: Thanks - really appreciate it! | 16:54 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: your comment was not understood, can u please rephrase | 16:54 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Is this the "modular agent" that was discussed a bit at the last summit? | 16:55 |
| trinaths | I have sent a mail to openstack-dev and mark regarding FFe.. hope for the best | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Oh sorry - rkukura, yes that is what I meant | 16:55 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Lets see if there is interest in this at the juno summit | 16:56 |
| rkukura | Anything else? | 16:56 |
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| rkukura | We've got 4 minutes, but I don't mind finishing early! | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: sounds good | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | early finish is always good :-) | 16:56 |
| banix | bye :) | 16:56 |
| irenab | thanks | 16:57 |
| yamamoto_ | good night | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 16:57 |
| sadasu | thanks | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 16:57 |
| trinaths | thanks rkukura | 16:57 |
| shivharis | bye all | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Keep up the reviews and finish up the coding! | 16:57 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 5 16:57:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-03-05-16.03.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-03-05-16.03.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-03-05-16.03.log.html | 16:57 |
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| amotoki | thank all! Icehouse must be a great release! | 16:57 |
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| kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 5 16:59:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 16:59 |
| kiall | Hey all - Who's about? | 16:59 |
| msisk | Here. | 16:59 |
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| mugsie | here | 17:00 |
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| kiall | mugsie / eankutse / betsy etc? about | 17:00 |
| vinod | ?/yes/yes | 17:00 |
| betsy | here | 17:00 |
| kiall | Cool :) | 17:00 |
| rjrjr__ | here | 17:00 |
| kiall | Okay .. Lets go.. | 17:00 |
| kiall | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:00 |
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| kiall | So first up.. Apologies for the double booking last week | 17:00 |
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| richm | here | 17:01 |
| eankutse | here | 17:01 |
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| kiall | neither myself or mugsie could attend.. I see eankutse kept it going though :) | 17:01 |
| eankutse | sort of :-) | 17:01 |
| kiall | So - There was no actions last week, lots from the week before | 17:01 |
| betsy | several of us from Rackspace couldn't attend either | 17:01 |
| kiall | I can say the actions for me are not done :( We've been manic over the last 2 weeks with some HP internal stuff | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | i am ghe same as kiall unfortunatly | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | the* | 17:02 |
| kiall | So, I'd like to push them off again until next week, with the exception of the V2 gaps | 17:02 |
| kiall | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-v2-gaps | 17:02 |
| kiall | There are 2 public facing gaps still listed, both of which I think we're going to have to drop from icehousr unless we can find someone with the bandwidth to do them :( | 17:03 |
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| kiall | Both would be API additions, so wouldn't cause a break in the v2 API | 17:03 |
| kiall | (Filtering, and Structured data format) | 17:04 |
| kiall | Thoughts? | 17:04 |
| betsy | At this late date, I recommend we drop them from icehouse | 17:04 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:04 |
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| eankutse | makes sense | 17:04 |
| rjrjr__ | i'm okay with that. | 17:04 |
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| kiall | betsy: agreed, we can add them right after icehouse final when people get the time! | 17:04 |
| kiall | Any opposing opinions? | 17:05 |
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| kiall | Okay - I'm taking silence as a no then :) | 17:05 |
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| kiall | Okay .. | 17:06 |
| kiall | #topic Icehouse 3 Release | 17:06 |
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| kiall | i3 is due for the core projects tomorrow | 17:06 |
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| kiall | I suggest we go ahead and cut an i3 over the weekend, or Monday | 17:07 |
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| kiall | From that point - It's bugs bugs bugs, thoughts? | 17:07 |
| betsy | kiall: sounds good | 17:07 |
| rjrjr__ | +1 | 17:07 |
| eankutse | +1 | 17:07 |
| mugsie | I would say Monday morning | 17:07 |
| vinod | So for i3 is v2 being enabled or disabled by default? | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | enabled I would say | 17:07 |
| kiall | vinod: we discussed enabling by default for i3 | 17:08 |
| vinod | ok | 17:08 |
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| betsy | +1 | 17:08 |
| kiall | I think we should make that call right before we cut the release, depending on if anything is found | 17:08 |
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| kiall | But - I'd like to assume we're turning it on | 17:08 |
| betsy | kiall:okay | 17:08 |
| kiall | And only if there's a showstopper, would we decide otherwise | 17:09 |
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| kiall | (Also - I should point out, myself / ekarlso / mugsie are currently doing double duty on meetings. apologies for being a bit slow to type today!) | 17:09 |
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| richm | understood | 17:10 |
| kiall | So - If anyone has knows of any bugs that either aren't targetted to i3, or aren't filed. Can we spend some time doing that today? | 17:10 |
| kiall | Even if it's just a 1 line description, it will help :) | 17:11 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:11 |
| eankutse | Yep. | 17:11 |
| kiall | #action all to file any remaining known bugs and target anything important to i3 | 17:11 |
| betsy | ok | 17:11 |
| kiall | #topic mini-dns, what next? | 17:11 |
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| eankutse | I have looked at the dnspython library | 17:12 |
| eankutse | I think it has great capablity | 17:12 |
| eankutse | we can leverage | 17:12 |
| eankutse | for miniDNS POC | 17:12 |
| kiall | So - This item's been leftover from last week, and really needs some attention from myself to coordinate with eankutse. Apolgies - Up to 90 is an understatement! | 17:12 |
| kiall | eankutse: cool, any info for us on what's good/bad re it? | 17:13 |
| eankutse | I have not done any coding yet | 17:13 |
| eankutse | that would be next step | 17:13 |
| eankutse | but I think it is really capable library | 17:13 |
| eankutse | for server-side AXFR | 17:13 |
| eankutse | no documentation but looked at the code | 17:13 |
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| eankutse | and I think we can use it for POC | 17:14 |
| kiall | eankutse: Cool, let's organize a 1:1 call next week sometime to see if I can unblock you at all? | 17:14 |
| eankutse | k. I am not that blocked by you at this point | 17:14 |
| eankutse | but let's still do 1:1 | 17:14 |
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| kiall | Oh - cool, I thought you were waiting on the storage stuff I had talked about before starting to code :) | 17:14 |
| eankutse | not yet | 17:15 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:15 |
| kiall | We'll sync up after this to find a time :) | 17:15 |
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| eankutse | k | 17:15 |
| kiall | #topic What should we call "miniDNS" - The BikeShed | 17:15 |
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| ekarlso | oh, there's a meeting also | 17:15 |
| kiall | Lots of options in the agenda if people have looked! | 17:15 |
| betsy | :D | 17:15 |
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| kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate | 17:15 |
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| rjrjr__ | i like betsy's names, but am wondering if sync / sink will be confusing. | 17:16 |
| kiall | Any strong opinions yet? :) | 17:16 |
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| rjrjr__ | i like how short and simple they are. | 17:17 |
| betsy | rjrjr: I know. I thought about calling it the kitchensync | 17:17 |
| vinod | Demon - Designate Master Name Server | 17:17 |
| rjrjr__ | LOL | 17:17 |
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| kiall | vinod: nice :) | 17:17 |
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| kiall | "madness" is one I'd argue against ;) (sorry rich) | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | I like designate-mns | 17:18 |
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| vinod | I like it too - except it is a mouthful | 17:18 |
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| eankutse | Kiall "mdns" is not that different from "madness" tho :-) | 17:18 |
| betsy | and hyphenated | 17:18 |
| ekarlso | designate-mdns ? | 17:18 |
| ekarlso | : p | 17:18 |
| betsy | maybe we should just call it mdns | 17:19 |
| eankutse | which is like "madness" | 17:19 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:19 |
| rjrjr__ | and pronounce it madness. | 17:19 |
| kiall | mdns + madness -> madness m(a)dn(e)s(s) ;) | 17:19 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:19 |
| jesusaurus | +1 | 17:19 |
| kiall | lol | 17:19 |
| betsy | +1 | 17:19 |
| eankutse | BackendSync? | 17:19 |
| rjrjr__ | +1 on designate-mdns | 17:20 |
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| richm | I meant no disrespect with madness, just wanted to get a discussion going, which it seems to have . . . | 17:20 |
| kiall | eankutse: the "sync" part is probably going to lead to some confusion | 17:20 |
| kiall | richm: lol .. I like it, just not the image to project ;) | 17:20 |
| eankutse | ok | 17:20 |
| eankutse | ;-0 | 17:21 |
| kiall | So - Any arguments for the "*sync" names etc? I personally think the confusion with sink will cause issues | 17:21 |
| richm | yeah, would rather find something else | 17:22 |
| eankutse | Kiall: I see what you mean | 17:22 |
| betsy | kiall: agreed | 17:22 |
| kiall | Okay .. So we're left with "transfer-agent" (designate-agent will die, so confusion is not an issue) | 17:22 |
| richm | xfer-agent? | 17:23 |
| kiall | master, mdns, mns and demon :) | 17:23 |
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| eankutse | would that work for the future functionality of the component as well? | 17:23 |
| kiall | Anyone have any reasons to rule any of the above out? | 17:23 |
| betsy | demon might be confused with daemon | 17:24 |
| richm | it probably won't be just a transfer agent | 17:24 |
| kiall | eankutse: agent? I think it kinda replaces the current agent in terms of functionality | 17:24 |
| rjrjr__ | if mini-dns does more than xfers in the future ... | 17:24 |
| eankutse | kiall: no; "transfer" | 17:24 |
| kiall | ah | 17:24 |
| rjrjr__ | so, toss xfer-agent and transfer-agent. | 17:24 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:25 |
| kiall | true. Also, "agent" works for the initial functionality but not eventual/future functionality | 17:25 |
| mugsie | I would say designate-mdns - it shows its the dns section, and isthe 'master' | 17:25 |
| kiall | So do we think we have a winner in the remaining choices? | 17:25 |
| kiall | humm | 17:26 |
| rjrjr__ | +1 on mdns | 17:26 |
| richm | #agreed | 17:26 |
| kiall | mdns - short for either master or mini | 17:26 |
| betsy | mugsie: agreed, but do we need the full name? Is mans ok? | 17:26 |
| kiall | master is again initial and not eventual stuff | 17:26 |
| betsy | mdns | 17:26 |
| betsy | I mean | 17:26 |
| mugsie | i would say keep the prefix - everything else we have is prefixed | 17:26 |
| rjrjr__ | aren't the other processes called designate-<something> | 17:26 |
| mugsie | (designate-central, desingate-api etc) | 17:26 |
| betsy | mugsie: ah | 17:26 |
| kiall | betsy: well, all the services are designate-* | 17:26 |
| kiall | and code is designate/* | 17:27 |
| betsy | Then I'm fine with designate-mdns | 17:27 |
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| mugsie | any objections? | 17:27 |
| rjrjr__ | if we use mdns, i'll be pronouncing it "madness" at work. :) | 17:27 |
| betsy | :) | 17:27 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: as will I :) | 17:27 |
| vinod | +1 on designate-mdns | 17:27 |
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| kiall | Okay - any -'s on it? | 17:27 |
| eankutse | +1 | 17:28 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:28 |
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| kiall | Okay - Settled then if there are no opposing opinions | 17:28 |
| kiall | That was the easiest bikeshed ever ;) | 17:28 |
| kiall | #topic Records table -- having a table for each type vs. one record table | 17:28 |
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| kiall | betsy: you added this one? | 17:29 |
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| betsy | So, right now in our production dns, we have separate tables for each record type | 17:29 |
| betsy | I was looking in to how many rows each contains | 17:29 |
| betsy | The 'a' record table has almost 4 million rows | 17:29 |
| betsy | Same for came and mx and some others | 17:29 |
| betsy | That would leave us with a single table of almost 15 million rows and growing | 17:30 |
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| kiall | Okay, so your angle is around DB scalability? | 17:30 |
| betsy | Yep | 17:30 |
| kiall | I see a few other good reasons for a split | 17:30 |
| betsy | I'm not a dab, but i'm worried about adding a row, etc. | 17:30 |
| betsy | Lots of traffic on them, too | 17:30 |
| kiall | e.g. allowing DB constraints and schema to be tightended for the specific record types | 17:31 |
| betsy | dba | 17:31 |
| betsy | yes | 17:31 |
| betsy | scalability is just one issue | 17:31 |
| kiall | and giving us a way to store the structured representation of the RData without converting back and forth from string format | 17:31 |
| betsy | Yes | 17:31 |
| kiall | So - I personally think it's the right way to go .. | 17:32 |
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| mugsie | i think it is a good idea. We just need to figure how it would work with plugable record types | 17:32 |
| betsy | mugsie: in what way? | 17:32 |
| mugsie | (aka creating new tables on the fly) | 17:32 |
| betsy | oh, right | 17:32 |
| kiall | mugsie: plugins can have there own migrations | 17:32 |
| kiall | we actually do that already for our Akamai plugin | 17:32 |
| betsy | Or there could even be one table for generic types | 17:33 |
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| kiall | betsy: right, so most rtpes can be reduced to a few common bases .. | 17:33 |
| kiall | TXT / SPF == Text, A / AAAA = IP Address | 17:33 |
| kiall | etc | 17:33 |
| kiall | Maybe we should see if we can get generic tables rather than 1 per record type? | 17:34 |
| kiall | also NS / CNAME / PTR / DNAME / etc are all identical again | 17:34 |
| betsy | kiall: You still might run into super large tables | 17:34 |
| mugsie | I think that 1 per type is ok | 17:34 |
| kiall | betsy: true | 17:34 |
| kiall | So - What's the harm in 1 per type? | 17:35 |
| mugsie | none, that I can see | 17:35 |
| betsy | Yeah. I like one per type | 17:35 |
| mugsie | but, I am not a (good) dba | 17:35 |
| kiall | I'm no DBA, so how does MySQL/Postgres/etc handle 1 large table vs N small (but still large) tables | 17:35 |
| mugsie | so I am open to correction | 17:35 |
| rjrjr__ | joins can slow down queries... | 17:35 |
| kiall | Lol - It's like "I'm no lawyer .. But.." | 17:35 |
| mugsie | rjrjr__: we shouldn't be joining (afik) | 17:36 |
| mugsie | actually | 17:36 |
| mugsie | we would | 17:36 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: so, AXFR's would end up doing JOINs cross the tables | 17:36 |
| kiall | I think | 17:36 |
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| betsy | Seems like separate tables would make it easier for recordsets | 17:36 |
| mugsie | even api requests | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | (get all records in zone x) | 17:36 |
| mugsie | humm. | 17:37 |
| rjrjr__ | we'd have to understand the performance implications of separating things out. | 17:37 |
| kiall | Okay - So, I think we should write up a blueprint for this - with some of the use cases were we'll need cross-type data returned | 17:37 |
| mugsie | That would be slower... but I think DB views *might* help? | 17:37 |
| kiall | Then - Point a DBA at that to give us their opinion? | 17:37 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:37 |
| betsy | we've got some dba's in-house I think | 17:38 |
| betsy | I can ask them what they think | 17:38 |
| kiall | mugsie: DB views aren't standard - So.. can't really do that | 17:38 |
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| betsy | Would you like me to write up a BP on it and then we can discuss more? | 17:38 |
| kiall | Okay - betsy, are you OK to write out a small BP on this? | 17:39 |
| kiall | snap :) | 17:39 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:39 |
| betsy | lol | 17:39 |
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| betsy | add that as an action item | 17:39 |
| kiall | #action betsy to write up BP for table per record-type change | 17:40 |
| kiall | Okay - Shall we move on and come back to ^ in a week or two when the BP is up? | 17:40 |
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| betsy | sounds good | 17:41 |
| kiall | #topic Review fixed IP PTR records BP | 17:41 |
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| kiall | Okay - Moving on :) | 17:41 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: this was added by you, want to intro it? | 17:42 |
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| rjrjr__ | sure, in a nutshell, this BP is to finish the API started for floating IPs but for fixed IPs. | 17:42 |
| rjrjr__ | fixed IPs have the same issue, tenant owns reverse domain, but networks can be shared by tenants. | 17:43 |
| rjrjr__ | kiall mentioned extending the floating IP API for fixed IPs. | 17:43 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: so I like the idea, but have a few notes on the BP | 17:44 |
| rjrjr__ | sure. | 17:44 |
| kiall | Currently, your using just the IP in the URL | 17:44 |
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| kiall | for cases where overlapping networks are disabled, but tenants are still picking and choosing there own networks.. We should to and ensure we support that | 17:44 |
| rjrjr__ | i'm using the IP as the resource ID, correct. | 17:44 |
| kiall | Also, with Designate being "global" and Neutron being per-region, we may need to include the region in the URL, similar to the /reverse/floatingip APUI | 17:45 |
| kiall | API* | 17:45 |
| rjrjr__ | so, you mean if two tenants have the same network. | 17:45 |
| rjrjr__ | like say, 10.0.0.0/24? | 17:45 |
| kiall | No, where tenant A has 10.0.0.0/24 and tenant B has 10.1.0.0/24 | 17:46 |
| kiall | if we do a GET /reverse/fixed/10.0.0.1 - we have to "figure out" what network it belongs to | 17:46 |
| kiall | potentially with 1000's of networks | 17:46 |
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| kiall | I think the network_id (or subnet_id?) along with region need to be included somehow | 17:46 |
| kiall | Yea - subnet_id rather than network_id | 17:47 |
| kiall | networks can have N subnets with different CIDRs | 17:47 |
| betsy | kiall: don't floating IPs have this same issue? | 17:47 |
| kiall | FloatingIPs are, AFAIK, always unique within a region | 17:48 |
| rjrjr__ | i looked at the floating IP code and it looked like we assumed everything is a /24 or class C. | 17:48 |
| kiall | so we use /reverse/floating/<region name>:<floating ip id> | 17:48 |
| betsy | Ah | 17:48 |
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| kiall | rjrjr__: we auto generate /24 in-addr.arpa. zones | 17:48 |
| kiall | (which is the smallest we can) | 17:48 |
| kiall | Sadly PTR records are stuck in the pre-classless era | 17:49 |
| kiall | so they inherently assume /8 /16 or /24 | 17:49 |
| kiall | 10 mins left BTW | 17:49 |
| rjrjr__ | so, the resource ID in the API should be qualified with the subnet_Id? so subnet_id:ip address? | 17:50 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: maybe, we use this for floating IPS: | 17:50 |
| kiall | /reverse/floating/<region name>:<floating ip id> | 17:50 |
| kiall | but.. the equilivant for fixed would be even more ugly | 17:50 |
| kiall | /reverse/fixed/<region name>:<subnet_id>:<floating ip id> | 17:50 |
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| kiall | ehh | 17:50 |
| kiall | /reverse/fixed/<region name>:<subnet_id>:<fixed ip (or FixedIP ID)> | 17:51 |
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| rjrjr__ | i have notes in the BP. i was thinking about determining the correct domain using the Designate domains table. | 17:51 |
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| mugsie | so, kiall's pc just turned itself off :/ | 17:51 |
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| mugsie | he should be bakc in a sec | 17:52 |
| rjrjr__ | putting all this in the API makes the API very hard to use. | 17:52 |
| mugsie | back* | 17:52 |
| betsy | rjrjr_:agreed | 17:52 |
| betsy | Can some of that go in the body> | 17:52 |
| betsy | ?* | 17:52 |
| mugsie | I would say that it couldn't | 17:53 |
| mugsie | (it should represent a single resorouce) | 17:53 |
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| mugsie | so, the url could represnt multiple items, if we put some of that in the body | 17:53 |
| rjrjr__ | i still don't understand why we need it all. i have an IP address. should be able to figure out the domain for it without the user prompting me in the API. | 17:53 |
| kiall | Okay - Back. | 17:53 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: re making the API hard, agreed | 17:54 |
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| kiall | We need to figure out what the best approach is | 17:54 |
| rjrjr__ | wether that is looking things up in Nova/Neutron or Designate. | 17:54 |
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| kiall | betsy: the body can't be used for GET queries | 17:54 |
| rjrjr__ | whether. | 17:54 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: anyway, we have like 5 mins left.. SO! Other than needing to figure that out, which is a more general problem for us, I'd love to see that implemented :) | 17:55 |
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| rjrjr__ | i'd argue an IP address should have been sufficient for floating IPs too. | 17:55 |
| kiall | Can't speak for anyone else though! | 17:55 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: yea, we may be able to reconsider that (while continuing to support the region hint if necessary) | 17:56 |
| rjrjr__ | i have the next 2 weeks scheduled (via a Sprint) to work on the implementation. | 17:56 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: cool :) | 17:56 |
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| kiall | rjrjr__: why don't we try come up with the API that works and go from there? | 17:56 |
| rjrjr__ | i want to eventually align my companies needs with the communities needs (i.e. Icehouse 3 release) but right now, i just need to get designate ready for us to use it. | 17:57 |
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| rjrjr__ | kiall. sure. when can we discuss this more? | 17:57 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: We all know that feeling :) | 17:57 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: friday is probably the next time I'll not be either asleep or on a call! | 17:57 |
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| kiall | But - others might have an option - bring it up in #openstack-dns :) | 17:57 |
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| rjrjr__ | okay. i'm going to start implementation on this. maybe things will become clearer as i start working on it. i'll be agile for what the community (we) decide as a correct API. | 17:58 |
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| kiall | Cool :) | 17:58 |
| kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:58 |
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| kiall | And - Last but not least - Anyone else have anything else? :) | 17:59 |
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| richm | nada | 17:59 |
| mugsie | nope | 17:59 |
| eankutse | none | 17:59 |
| betsy | none from me | 17:59 |
| kiall | Okay .. with about 30 seconds to spare... | 17:59 |
| rjrjr__ | what time friday works for you kiall? | 17:59 |
| kiall | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| kiall | over to trove :) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 5 17:59:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-03-05-16.59.html | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-03-05-16.59.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-03-05-16.59.log.html | 17:59 |
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| kiall | rjrjr__: Anytime up to about 19:00 UTC I'm usually in the office :) | 18:00 |
| kiall | oh .. he's gone | 18:00 |
| hub_cap | howdy! | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | hey | 18:00 |
| kiall | heya hub_cap | 18:00 |
| kiall | Going to Atlanta? | 18:00 |
| esp | he hub_cap | 18:00 |
| esp | sup kiall :) | 18:00 |
| hub_cap | kiall: good question! | 18:00 |
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| hub_cap | i hope so :) | 18:00 |
| hub_cap | i should ask rax heh | 18:01 |
| hub_cap | u? | 18:01 |
| kiall | I should ask HP ;) | 18:01 |
| hub_cap | give a min for stragglers | 18:01 |
| hub_cap | hahahaha | 18:01 |
| denis_makogon | lest start ? | 18:01 |
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| vipul | o/ here.. kinda | 18:01 |
| doug_shelley66 | o/ | 18:02 |
| hub_cap | heh where did the good ole rackers go? | 18:02 |
| hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 5 18:02:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| juice | o/ | 18:02 |
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| abramley | o/ | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| grapex | o/ | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:02 | |
| SlickNik | o/ | 18:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:02 |
| amcrn | o/ | 18:02 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 18:02 |
| cp16net | what up | 18:02 |
| hub_cap | heyo troops | 18:02 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:02 |
| kanzaros | o/ | 18:02 |
| glucas | o/ | 18:02 |
| esp | o/ | 18:02 |
| pdmars | o/ | 18:02 |
| doug_shelley66 | o/ | 18:02 |
| hub_cap | okey doke | 18:02 |
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| kevinconway | o\ | 18:02 |
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| amytron | o/ | 18:03 |
| esmute | o/ | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:03 |
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| imsplitbit | o/ | 18:03 |
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| hub_cap | ahh so many head+hand combos | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | #topic guest agent upgrades | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guest agent upgrades (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:03 | |
| Barker | o/ | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | so whoes up for this? | 18:03 |
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| juice | esp take it away | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | esp | 18:03 |
| imsplitbit | LETS ROCK! | 18:03 |
| esp | k | 18:03 |
| imsplitbit | :) | 18:03 |
| hub_cap | hollah | 18:03 |
| amcrn | \m/ | 18:03 |
| imsplitbit | sorry Aliens reference | 18:04 |
| esp | so I put together a wiki page to describe the work for implementing guest agent upgrades | 18:04 |
| hub_cap | i think amcrns ascii art was too | 18:04 |
| esp | link: https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Trove-Guest-Agent-Upgrades | 18:04 |
| esp | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Trove-Guest-Agent-Upgrades | 18:04 |
| hub_cap | so what shall we discuss with this, besides the fact that this is an epic awesome wiki page | 18:05 |
| juice | esp: nice and thorough job on this | 18:05 |
| imsplitbit | +1 | 18:05 |
| kevinconway | esp: did you use visio for this? | 18:05 |
| esp | hub_cap: I made cartoons for everyone to enjoy | 18:05 |
| cp16net | yeah thats what i was thinking. | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | good job on the wiki page, esp | 18:05 |
| hub_cap | esp: :) | 18:05 |
| esp | kevinbenton: omni graffle | 18:05 |
| cp16net | ah i was hoping for a flip book | 18:05 |
| cp16net | :-P | 18:05 |
| hub_cap | its going to print cp16net | 18:05 |
| hub_cap | give it 6wks for first run | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | esp and the interwebs | 18:06 |
| esp | and mysql work bench for the DB table | 18:06 |
| juice | I am guessing not many people had time to review this | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | Gonna make some time to review it today, and will comment on the wiki page. | 18:06 |
| amcrn | i put some comments @ the bottom of the wiki already | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | yea im skimming it now, but it looks similar to what weve discussed before | 18:06 |
| amcrn | and esp kindly responded | 18:06 |
| hub_cap | and at the mid cycle | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | juice, +1 | 18:06 |
| esp | juice: no, it was kinda late getting into the agenda | 18:06 |
| juice | should we have a period for comments - say a week and then close it and call it approved by next week | 18:06 |
| grapex | I guess I have some confusion over process | 18:06 |
| amytron | juice +1 | 18:07 |
| amcrn | yeah, i'd just ask that those with specific packaging needs add information to the wiki so it's considered appropriately | 18:07 |
| juice | unless there are some questions right off the top that esp can answer now... | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | juice, +1 | 18:07 |
| esp | yep, take some time to tear it apart | 18:07 |
| grapex | maybe we need to finish up the talk we started at the summit, but wasn't one idea that the blueprint would link to the wiki, and we'd approve the blueprint first? | 18:07 |
| esp | grapex: yep | 18:07 |
| esp | I did link it though.. let me dig up the bp | 18:07 |
| hub_cap | yea grapex, but im just getting back to the swing of things | 18:07 |
| vipul | i think hub_cap should go over the new process so everyone knows | 18:08 |
| kevinconway | esp: create a bug describing the missing link to the wiki | 18:08 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Me too :D | 18:08 |
| cweid | o/ | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | this would be a perfect candidate for part1 and part2 of what we talked about at the mid cycle | 18:08 |
| esp | kevinconway: lol | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | part1=bp approve w vision, p2=wiki of awesomeness | 18:08 |
| cp16net | true | 18:08 |
| juice | so we are a bit backwards this time | 18:08 |
| grapex | hub_cap: so when do we approve what's in the wiki? | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | grapex: id say after we get to the bp vision | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | but honestly | 18:08 |
| hub_cap | this one is obvi, we talked about it | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | so to me the bp is approved | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | since we had a big duscussion on the mid cycle etc... | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | *Discussion | 18:09 |
| grapex | Probably it is, I'd just like a chance to read it first, similar to a pull request. | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | def dude | 18:09 |
| cp16net | and then beginning kinda describes what the bp would be | 18:09 |
| esp | grapex: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/upgrade-guestagent | 18:09 |
| esp | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/upgrade-guestagent | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | lets defer maybe till next wk | 18:09 |
| grapex | Thanks esp! | 18:09 |
| cp16net | between the intro and goals | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | and use this as our poster child | 18:09 |
| esp | grapex: np | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | and give esp a chance to dust off the bp | 18:09 |
| hub_cap | if needed | 18:09 |
| cp16net | yeah that sounds good | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | I'm good with approving the bp. There might be some design details that need to be figured out. | 18:09 |
| cp16net | i've not looked over this yet.. | 18:09 |
| juice | is the bp vision-y enough | 18:09 |
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| grapex | So- the whiteboard section- seems like there could be some overlap between that and the wiki | 18:10 |
| esp | sounds good to me. thx for looking at it. | 18:10 |
| kevinconway | should we add inspirational quotes to BP to make them more visiony? | 18:10 |
| imsplitbit | :) | 18:10 |
| hub_cap | yea i hate whiteboard grapex | 18:10 |
| grapex | kevinconway: I thought all Wiki articles were to begin with "In the course of human events.." | 18:10 |
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| grapex | So let's remove the whiteboard part for now | 18:11 |
| grapex | Seems redundant | 18:11 |
| amcrn | +1 | 18:11 |
| hub_cap | so even tho this bp is somewhat approved in our minds, lets use it as our next wk (mon/tue) discussions w core | 18:11 |
| kevinbenton | esp: ? | 18:11 |
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| esp | k, I will transpose the whiteboard stuff to the wiki | 18:11 |
| juice | wrong person kevinbenton - sorry | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | I'm adding it as an agenda item to next weeks meeting. | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | sweet thx SlickNik | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | we can use that on monday to discuss bps | 18:12 |
| juice | for everyone else can we get your comments on this before next weeks meeting? | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | we still need to discuss the finer points of log delivery too | 18:12 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I have a confession- I haven't read this bp yet! | 18:12 |
| * grapex blushes | 18:12 | |
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| juice | since the wiki is already there, no need to hold up the review of that, right? | 18:12 |
| * hub_cap giggles w grapex | 18:12 | |
| hub_cap | juice: sure, anyone can review now | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | we will discuss mon or tue a set of the bps | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | i believe we said monday | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | iirc | 18:13 |
| hub_cap | w might need to consult the etherpad | 18:13 |
| grapex | So about the whiteboard | 18:13 |
| * amytron rolls her eyes | 18:13 | |
| esp | grapex: it's probably best.. I don't know if the bp and wiki are exactly 1 for 1 | 18:13 |
| grapex | Maybe it would work for just notes such as "implemented by the following gerrit item" | 18:14 |
| grapex | instead of sort of defining what the wiki is already saying | 18:14 |
| hub_cap | lol | 18:14 |
| hub_cap | grapex: it can work but its VERY Strict in the actual syntax | 18:15 |
| juice | if we want to discuss the merits of the blueprint this isn't a great candidate because you have to consider what you would like in the blueprint in absence of the wiki | 18:15 |
| esp | grapex: I'll take a look at it today and see if I can clean up the whiteboard (delete stuff) | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | grapex: That's what I use it for. eg: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/trove-tempest | 18:15 |
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| juice | and how much information you as a core team would need in order to send someone off to do the research that esp did for this in order to generate a wiki doc | 18:15 |
| grapex | SlickNik: ++ | 18:15 |
| hub_cap | just clikc that little help link if anyone has issues | 18:15 |
| hub_cap | its annoying, but nice to see for muliple patches | 18:15 |
| hub_cap | oh sorry grapex | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | im thinking work items | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | whiteboard is fine for this ++ | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | ok so lets give esp till mon to clean it up | 18:16 |
| hub_cap | and we can review it mon as a group in the channel | 18:16 |
| esp | thx everyone! | 18:17 |
| hub_cap | so moving on | 18:17 |
| hub_cap | #topic replication/clustering update | 18:17 |
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| hub_cap | so whos on first? | 18:18 |
| denis_makogon | imsplitbit, i guess its your turn ? | 18:18 |
| imsplitbit | hmm | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | So just a quick update on this. | 18:18 |
| imsplitbit | ok so what is clear to me | 18:18 |
| imsplitbit | oh good | 18:18 |
| * imsplitbit waits for SlickNik to tell us | 18:19 | |
| denis_makogon | whats the status with meta-data ? | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | We had a teamspeak meeting about this yesterday. | 18:19 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, cool, have you got the meeting minutes ? | 18:20 |
| doug_shelley66 | i think 3 things were decided, right? | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | Main outcomes were 1. Imsplitbit to push up the API code with few changes to schema based on comments. | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | 2. Folks from tesora to come up with bp for replication v1 | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | 3. And the tesora folks are eager to get started on implementation based on the bp. | 18:21 |
| hub_cap | horray! | 18:21 |
| denis_makogon | please elaborate p.2 and p.3 | 18:22 |
| kevinconway | wait, is that last one a decision? | 18:22 |
| doug_shelley66 | also wasn't amcrn doing something moving forward on clustering? | 18:22 |
| hub_cap | lol kevinconway | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | well that tesora was gonna work on it was the decision. | 18:22 |
| * hub_cap glares at amcrn | 18:22 | |
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| denis_makogon | as discussed at the last meeting we're going to have common meeting in hangout for everyone who interested in taking part in replication implementation | 18:22 |
| vipul | amcrn: are you sending the updated api ? | 18:22 |
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| amcrn | correct, there's still work being done in fleshing out the rest of the clustering api (building on the replication contract that everyone is preliminarily agreed upon) | 18:23 |
| amcrn | vipul: i haven't updated it based on your comments last night yet | 18:23 |
| amcrn | i can send it out, tomorrow? | 18:23 |
| vipul | yea sure.. i think imsplitbit and doug_shelley66 shoudl be itnerested in it | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | heh lets shoot for fri amcrn | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | we have to prepare for a talk tomorrow | 18:23 |
| amcrn | fair enough, today is an all-day deal | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | :P | 18:23 |
| hub_cap | as is tomorrow | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | :D | 18:24 |
| amcrn | word | 18:24 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: i think this feature is concise enough that it makes sense to have a dedicated owner | 18:24 |
| SnowDust | SlickNik, testing using tempest strategy ? can we talk ? | 18:24 |
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| vipul | denis_makogon: you can work wth doug_shelley66 to see if there are tasks he'd like you to take on | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | SnowDust: u should put things on the meeting agenda | 18:24 |
| hub_cap | lets finish this first before we get started w/ somethign else | 18:24 |
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| SnowDust | hub_cap : thought it was the last .. but will wait for the last in the agenda | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | ok good to go? (looks like it might be SnowDust ;) ) | 18:25 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: doug_shelley66 SlickNik good? | 18:25 |
| imsplitbit | so where I'm unclear | 18:26 |
| doug_shelley66 | i'm good | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | good here. | 18:26 |
| hub_cap | go on imsplitbit :) | 18:26 |
| imsplitbit | is we never decided on if instances had nodes | 18:26 |
| imsplitbit | or not | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | Thanks guys! | 18:26 |
| vipul | i think that vote will need to happen enxt week | 18:26 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: lets discuss that next wk | 18:26 |
| imsplitbit | ok | 18:26 |
| vipul | that doesn't impact replication though.. | 18:26 |
| amcrn | correct | 18:26 |
| hub_cap | during the monday bp talk | 18:26 |
| hub_cap | if the bp is ready | 18:26 |
| imsplitbit | do I own that? | 18:27 |
| imsplitbit | :) | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | i mean, whoever owns the bp owns it | 18:27 |
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| kevinconway | ok so you folks are going to decide that on monday. so i don't need to study for next weeks trove meeting right? | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | i think tesora said they were going to take it over? | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: no, plz study | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | all wknd | 18:27 |
| doug_shelley66 | yes the BP for replicatoin v1 | 18:27 |
| hub_cap | we should re-approve all the inflight and new features | 18:28 |
| doug_shelley66 | ok | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | amcrn: SlickNik vipul grapex how do yall feel about that? | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | the inflight juno's and the not impld one | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | ones | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | not all on monday | 18:28 |
| grapex | hub_cap: I like it | 18:28 |
| amcrn | agreed | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | but the ones that are worked on | 18:28 |
| vipul | i like that | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | or are about to be | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: +1 | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | ok ill clean it up and unapprove | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | sorry in advance | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | but ther eis no reason to fret | 18:28 |
| hub_cap | unless u have no wiki pages!!!!! | 18:29 |
| hub_cap | ;) | 18:29 |
| hub_cap | but we wont be terribly strict, lets work thru it liek a happy family :) | 18:29 |
| hub_cap | ok so now we move on! | 18:29 |
| hub_cap | good? | 18:29 |
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| kevinconway | but what about... | 18:30 |
| hub_cap | dont say it | 18:30 |
| hub_cap | #topic tempest update | 18:30 |
| SnowDust | :) | 18:30 |
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| hub_cap | SlickNik: go go go | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | So the initial tempest tests for trove are approved. | 18:31 |
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| hub_cap | hooray | 18:31 |
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| grapex | yaaaaaay | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | It's currently in the merge gate. | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69501/ | 18:31 |
| amytron | that is awesome! | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | Next steps are to make the job non-experimental | 18:32 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, what's the status of dib elements ? | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | So other projects (devstack!) can gate on it. | 18:32 |
| cp16net | how long is it taking SlickNik ? | 18:32 |
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| hub_cap | SlickNik: thatll be SO cool! | 18:32 |
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| SlickNik | currently it's about an hour. | 18:32 |
| hub_cap | proly wont gate until juno | 18:32 |
| cp16net | ouch | 18:32 |
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| cp16net | but its a good frist step | 18:33 |
| cp16net | awesome | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: I need to identify the tests that we actually care about to reduce the execution time. | 18:33 |
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| SnowDust | test-refactoring for tempest .. ideas ? | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: That's the next step | 18:33 |
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| hub_cap | hey im putting to open discussion | 18:33 |
| hub_cap | ill bb in a min | 18:33 |
| hub_cap | #topic open discussion | 18:34 |
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| hub_cap | sorry, conflicting meetings :/ :/ | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | SnowDust: We don't have any code to refactor yet. | 18:34 |
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| SlickNik | We need to get _a_ datastore's tests into tempest before we can get multiple datastores. | 18:34 |
| SnowDust | SlickNik ur bp says so .. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/trove-tempest | 18:34 |
| grapex | SlickNik: So, about rewriting the clients again. It seems like the desire of the Tempest authors to rewrite the clients stemmed from a need to test both JSON and XML | 18:34 |
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| SnowDust | SlickNik, got ur point | 18:35 |
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| grapex | however, since our existing client can do that, and since XML is going away anyway, can we start using the client for the tempest tests? I'd hate to have to duplicate the effort of writing a Python rich client binding for the Tempest tests. | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | grapex: That's something that I'm going to start looking into. | 18:36 |
| robertmyers | I think the tempest project doesn't want to be dependant on all the clients | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | I'd hate to re-implement _all_ of our client functionality. | 18:36 |
| robertmyers | cause it is a dependancy nightmare | 18:36 |
| cp16net | sounds like copy pasta | 18:36 |
| grapex | robertmyers: That would be ironic since if you run Tempest you're essentially dependent on literally all of integrated OpenStack. :p | 18:36 |
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| SnowDust | cp16net: :) | 18:37 |
| robertmyers | grapex: depends on how you install tempest | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | robertmyers / grapex: There seem to be different schools of thought on that. And it's a conversation I can't wait to start with some of the Tempest folks :P | 18:37 |
| grapex | I get that technically it's challenging to include a dependency on the client, but since our client doesn't depend on anything else it shouldn't be that bad. | 18:37 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Be sure to CC me when you do | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | grapex: definitely will | 18:37 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: maybe they are afraid of a slippery slope | 18:38 |
| grapex | I have seen some quasi- philosophical reasons for re-creating the clients, such as not being able to trust the original clients | 18:38 |
| grapex | which I think points to a completely different problem. But yeah, let's talk about it at least before we have to start re-writing the entirety of the Trove python client. | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | agreed | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | That's pretty much all I had. | 18:39 |
| demorris | I have a topic, can we chat real quick about adding datastore type details into backup metadata for backups stored in swift? | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | as an update. | 18:40 |
| demorris | This is not done today, but I am not sure if there is a BP for it | 18:40 |
| grapex | demorris: I thought we agreed to add to the docs "users are expected to write down the specific datastore type they used to create each backup so they can remember it later." | 18:41 |
| robertmyers | grapex: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/clients.py#L434 | 18:41 |
| demorris | its fairly straightforward, store the type/version details in the backup metadata, so you can tell what datastore type and version a particular backup belongs to | 18:41 |
| robertmyers | so i'm wrong | 18:41 |
| imsplitbit | grapex: post-it notes yah? | 18:41 |
| robertmyers | grapex: they do what you want | 18:41 |
| demorris | grapex: yes, they should write it in sharpie on their hand | 18:41 |
| grapex | imsplitbit: Exactly. We could make them Trove themed and sell them for profit with proceeds going to the OS foundation. :) | 18:41 |
| denis_makogon | demorris, good approach, i think it's very significant since Trove will have multiple datastores | 18:42 |
| amytron | with our trove logo | 18:42 |
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| denis_makogon | demorris, we could deal with it, you want to store type/version in metadata or in the backup model ? | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | demorris: Sounds like a good idea. I haven't seen a bp for it. | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | someone want to open one? | 18:43 |
| demorris | denis_makogon: true, that might actually be better so then you can query it via Trove | 18:44 |
| denis_makogon | demorris, so, store in the model ? | 18:44 |
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| demorris | well I suppose it depends on what we want to accomplish. One of the main reasons for this is so that you can prevent a user from trying to restore a backup to the wrong datastore, but it could also be useful to help with filtering data stores that are valid | 18:45 |
| denis_makogon | demorris, since backup models hold the instance_id we could always retrieve any data from instance model, if instance still exists | 18:45 |
| demorris | it is possible that the instance may be deleted though | 18:45 |
| denis_makogon | yes, thats what i say =) | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | We do store the strategy in the model, and it's unlikely that different models share the same strategy, so there's that. | 18:46 |
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| denis_makogon | demorris, i'll vote for model instead of meta | 18:46 |
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| vipul | if i have a percona backup, and want to restore to maria .. that should be allowed | 18:47 |
| demorris | denis_makogon: k, you want to BP it? | 18:47 |
| vipul | it seems that a backup shouldn't be tied to a datastore, rather.. it should be tied to a 'restorer' or whatever | 18:47 |
| demorris | it can get tricky too when you consider MySQL, MariaDB, and Percona…backups via XtraBackup are not strictly supported when backing up with one and restoring to another (but there are cases where it can work) | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | vipul: Yes, if the strategy is the same, it's likely that the restore will work _across_ datastores. | 18:48 |
| grapex | SlickNik: I think you're right- if the strategy is stored in the model that alone should work for validation | 18:48 |
| denis_makogon | demorris, yeah, i could, but if i'll forget, could you do this ? | 18:48 |
| vipul | so we'd need to someplace in code to tie a strategy to one or more datastores | 18:48 |
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| demorris | I think it should support restoring across types/versions, but should be up to operator on what they want to support and not support | 18:48 |
| denis_makogon | #action File a BP for adding datastore type/version to backup model | 18:49 |
| hub_cap | party time im back | 18:49 |
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| vipul | wait so why are we adding datastore type to backups now.. i'm confused | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | vipul: yes, today this exists only in the ga.conf. But we might want to codify this some more. | 18:49 |
| vipul | SlickNik: yea, mainly want to do validation on a restore | 18:49 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, first approach - block from restoring instance with wrong datastore, that differs from datastore of the instance that was backuped | 18:50 |
| demorris | yes, validation on a restore, and secondarily filtering per datastore (only show me backups for MongoDB, exclude all others") | 18:50 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: we can derive that from the 'Backup stragey' already stored on the backup | 18:51 |
| vipul | i guess i'm not a big fan do de-normalization.. we've got this info that can be derived in several ways | 18:51 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, i guest it'll be the long way | 18:51 |
| robertmyers | vipul: until you delete the instance | 18:51 |
| denis_makogon | *i guess | 18:51 |
| vipul | robertmyers: it's a soft delete | 18:51 |
| vipul | trove can do a search for any instances that the backup originated from | 18:52 |
| robertmyers | sure I gues | 18:52 |
| demorris | so am I hearing we can already make the association? | 18:52 |
| juice | can you drop the backup strategy from the backup model and replace it with the datastore reference...from there you could derive the backup strategy after it has been associated with the datastore | 18:52 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, lets do not relay on soft delete | 18:52 |
| robertmyers | so then all it would need is a view change | 18:52 |
| robertmyers | on the details for a backup | 18:53 |
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| denis_makogon | robertmyers, agreed | 18:53 |
| vipul | robertmyers: +1 | 18:53 |
| kevinconway | juice: so do we have to work on migration paths for changing backup methods? | 18:53 |
| denis_makogon | so, theres two options: | 18:53 |
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| vipul | i agree that there are issues with relying on soft-deletes, because there may be truncates that a deployer wants to do | 18:53 |
| vipul | juice: i think that's the same as what was beign suggested.. add a datastore reference to backups | 18:54 |
| denis_makogon | 1. have an ability to retrieve type/version by backup_type. | 18:54 |
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| denis_makogon | 2. add datastore version and type into the backup model | 18:54 |
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| denis_makogon | approach: strict validation on restore/recover | 18:55 |
| denis_makogon | let me file the BP, wiki page and ML for that, and then review it | 18:55 |
| denis_makogon | ok ? | 18:55 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: feel free to BP this, we can disucss it during BP review | 18:55 |
| vipul | i would also put in robertmyers suggestion in the BP, which doesn't require any DB change | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | I agree that this is something we should do (impl details aside). | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | So let's file the bp. | 18:56 |
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| denis_makogon | robertmyers, i'll file it and then i'll ask you to update the whiteboard | 18:56 |
| cp16net | ok | 18:57 |
| denis_makogon | could i take last minutes ? | 18:57 |
| robertmyers | denis_makogon: use the wiki | 18:57 |
| denis_makogon | ok | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | remember to use | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TroveBlueprint | 18:57 |
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| denis_makogon | i'd like to invite all of us into the discussion related to Point it time recovery | 18:58 |
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| hub_cap | denis_makogon: go go go, 3 min | 18:58 |
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| denis_makogon | i already filed the BP, did the draft implementation (which was done easily) | 18:58 |
| denis_makogon | and sent the email | 18:58 |
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| denis_makogon | so, please, don't be the shy =)) review them and join the ML thread | 18:59 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: can you conver teh google doc to wiki | 18:59 |
| vipul | convert | 18:59 |
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| cp16net | +1 vipul | 18:59 |
| kevinconway | then print out the HTML | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, yes, i'll do that | 18:59 |
| kevinconway | feed it to an XLST template | 18:59 |
| kevinconway | and generate markdown | 19:00 |
| vipul | kevinconway +1 | 19:00 |
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| hub_cap | yes all should be wiki | 19:00 |
| hub_cap | we will review it on monday too | 19:00 |
| demorris | I don't quite understand the issues with looking at point in time recovery based on what was stated on the ML. It is true that there are tons of impl nuances across data stores, but the concept of the API to reference a point in time for a restore both on an existing and new instance is valid | 19:00 |
| denis_makogon | also i'd like to point your attention onto the dblog feature, which wasn't even once reviewed since it was published | 19:00 |
| vipul | and when we post to ML, i don't think it's necessary to copy / paste the entire thing.. i think you shoudl include an overview and then point people to the Wiki | 19:00 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: plz add your log bp and your PIT bp to the bottom of the meeting page | 19:00 |
| hub_cap | we will use that as the starting point for discussion | 19:00 |
| hub_cap | ++ vipul | 19:00 |
| denis_makogon | # link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/mysql-point-in-time-recovery | 19:01 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/dbinstance-log | 19:01 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/mysql-point-in-time-recovery | 19:01 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TroveDBInstanceLogOperation | 19:01 |
| hub_cap | good timing | 19:01 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 5 19:01:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-05-18.02.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-05-18.02.txt | 19:01 |
| cp16net | thanks | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-05-18.02.log.html | 19:02 |
| hub_cap | goto #openstack-trove | 19:02 |
| esp | thx! | 19:02 |
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