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zns#startmeeting satori15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 31 15:00:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'satori'15:00
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znsHi there -Who's here for satori?15:01
hhoovero/15:01
gusmaskowitzo/15:01
jasonpgignaco/15:01
walker_o/15:01
samstavo/15:01
gondoio/15:01
zns#topic action items15:01
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znsFirst two action items are mine. No update (sorry about that). I'll carry them over.15:02
zns#action zns address possible duplication between 1295391 and 129367015:02
zns#action zns start ML discussion & blueprint for built-in python data plane discovery15:02
znsgondoi: Fix pythonwhois?15:03
gondoifixed.. can't remember the status of the review though15:03
gondoilet me look15:03
gondoilooks like it's still open15:03
gondoihttps://review.openstack.org/8218715:03
gondoii know i've had discussions offline about adding ip_info and netloc_info to round out that review15:04
znsWas there a pending update to that that you and I discussed?15:04
znsOr is it ready?15:04
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gondoicurrently ready as is15:04
gondoiip_info and netloc_info would be added functionality15:04
znsOK. We can merge that in and discuss netloc_info and ip_info in a separate blueprint?15:05
gondoisounds good to me15:05
gondoii'll take the action to create the blueprint15:05
zns#action zns, gondoi discuss netloc_info and ip_info - gondoi to create blueprint15:05
znscaleb_ is not online yet, so carrying his action item forward.15:06
zns#action caleb_ Developer docs for doing discovery using Python rather than the command line15:06
zns#topic Agenda planning and time to read up/prepare15:06
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znsI got feedback from the last meeting that the discussion was too confusing. Multiple threads were being discussed at the same time and the topics were presented too late not allowing time to read up/discuss the topics.15:07
znsSo I'm proposing that we discuss what topics we want to discuss in next week's meeting in this meeting so we have some time to prepare, create wiki's, blueprints, etc...15:08
znsThoughts?15:08
gondoisounds good to me15:08
jasonpgignacI would suggest that by the time the next meeting comes up many more things will have arisen?15:08
jasonpgignacWould it be better to just have the agenda somewhere everyone can add items to it?15:09
jasonpgignacBecause as I recall, many of the items that bogged down last weeks meeting we wouldn't have even known about a week ahead of time.15:09
znsjasonpgignac: true. But for there to be enough context for people to have constructive discussion at this meeting, we need to have some prep time.15:09
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jasonpgignac*nods* So, as soon as you know you want to discuss something in the meeting, I'd think, you should post it to the agenda.15:10
hhooveragenda could be put up here? https://etherpad.openstack.org/15:10
jasonpgignacI mean, if we realize on Thursday that there's something we should discuss on Monday… it doesn't really matter of we set an agenda the monday before, you know?15:10
znsHow about a cut-off (Thursday) for topics for the following Monday meeting?15:10
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jasonpgignacI would be fine with that, but I imagine the rule will get broken as soon as we have something 'urgent' come up15:10
gusmaskowitzzns I think a killer use case for Satori is to dig into details and apply opinion to Openstack-on-Openstack (Tripple-O) deployments. Would like to contribute to make a blueprint15:11
znsI have not seen anything urgent come up yet.15:11
jasonpgignacK. Is fine with me. Agreed.15:11
samstavAnother rule: Nobody is allowed to call their topic urgent15:11
zns#agreed topics for the Monday meeting must be added with context by the previous Thursday.15:12
zns#action zns manage the agenda and the Thursday cut-off for topics.15:12
zns#topic New Ideas15:13
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hhooverit should be a "rule" that people posting agenda items include their IRC nick15:13
znsgusmaskowitz: I like that. It would be a great openstack use case to have satori be able to discover and vet (opinions) a devstack or openstack deploy.15:13
znsgusmaskowitz: do you want to create a spec and blueprint and we discuss next Monday?15:14
gusmaskowitzI dont know how to but would like to try.15:14
gusmaskowitzso any help is deeply appreciated.15:14
zns#action gusmaskowitz create a spec and blueprint for Triple-O15:15
znsgusmaskowitz: reach out to me offline and I'd be happy to help.15:15
gondoii have some feedback i listed on the meeting wiki page15:16
znsDoes anyone want to own creating the context for any of the other items in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Satori#Agenda_for_next_meeting_.5B2014-03-31.5D?15:16
gondoirefresh i put my nick next to it (per hhoover suggestion) :D15:16
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gondoiSSH output is "noisy" and there should be a shared connection to prevent too many logins and busy logs15:16
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gondoiwant me to just list the rest here and we can dive into any we want and just create blueprints after for the next meeting?15:17
znsHow about adding blueprint/spec URLs next to these topic items and adding them to next weeks agenda (before Thursday :-) )? I can help with that too.15:18
gondoisounds good15:18
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zns#action gondoi adding blueprint/spec URLs next to these topic items and adding them to next weeks agenda (zns to help)15:18
znsSo I'll send out an email with topic items and links to the mailing list on Thursday so we have time to read up before next Monday.15:19
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znshhoover: you suggested ether pad. Would that not be a duplicate of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Satori?15:20
hhooverit would be. I withdraw my suggestion15:20
znsThanks.15:20
znsSo... anything else to discuss today that we all already have context on?15:21
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znsIf not, we can close early...15:21
znsOh, funny, someone's nick is "early"...15:22
samstav/NICK late15:22
zns/NICK and15:22
znsOK. Until next week then...15:22
znsThank you for attending!15:23
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zns#endmeeting15:23
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sarob#startmeeting training-manuals17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 31 17:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals'17:00
sarobroll call17:00
matjazphi17:00
sarobevening sir17:00
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saroblets start17:01
sarob#topic moodle17:01
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matjazpwhat happen with meeting last week?17:01
matjazpis new meeting start time permanent?17:01
sarobmatjazp: lets see. hold on17:02
sarobmatjazp: not sure i understand17:02
sarobmatjazp: what new meeting time?17:02
matjazpthese meetings started one hour earlier17:02
colinmcnamaramorning17:03
matjazpor did I mixed something (wouldn't be surprised- I slept 3 hours last night)17:03
colinmcnamaraColin here17:03
sarobcolinmcnamara: hello there17:04
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matjazphi colinmcnamara17:04
colinmcnamarahey sarob:17:04
colinmcnamarahi matjazp:17:04
sarobthe meeting offset to gmt hasnt changed17:04
sarobpst/pdt changed on US end though17:04
sarobpain in the17:05
matjazpoh.. right.. forgot about that17:05
sarobmatjazp: any news on mordred and moodle17:05
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matjazpdsarob: you got mail email?17:05
sarobmatjazp: you sent me email? i must have missed17:06
sarobmatjazp: 23 mar email?17:07
matjazpyes, last week. about contact/mail with mordred17:07
sarobmatjazp: right, seems longer ago...17:07
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sarobmatjazp: try getting ahold of him on irc thorugh openstack-infra channel17:08
matjazpyes, I guess his mailbox must be full17:08
sarobmatjazp: he is a busy dude17:08
matjazpok, I will try to get him on irc17:09
sarobmatjazp: okay, well gets ahold of him this week if you can17:09
sarobmatjazp: cool17:09
sarobmoving on17:09
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sarob#topic developer guide progress17:09
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colinmcnamaraI'm still WIP on my stuff17:10
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sarobsarob is a bad boy and hasnt pushed the ci pipeline bootcamp code17:10
colinmcnamarawaiting for a gap in my schedule17:10
sarobcolinmcnamara: roger17:10
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colinmcnamarai'm nights and weekends on this stuff17:10
sarobcolinmcnamara: both of us need to update the wiki with our plans for developer guide17:11
colinmcnamarak17:11
sarobcolinmcnamara: as we get more new contributors, we need to give them a focus point for work17:11
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sarobcolinmcnamara: im going to delegate training guide day to day as soon as possible17:12
sarobcolinmcnamara: but ill stay in the editor mode17:12
sarobmoving on17:12
sarob#topic new contributors and such17:13
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sarobi spoke with LPI last week17:13
matjazpLPI?17:13
sarobthey are a non profit focused on linux training content17:13
saroblinux professional institute17:14
matjazpaha ok17:14
sarobthey are going to start helping us17:14
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sarobi have been lobbying commercial openstack distros for the past month to get involved17:15
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sarobLPI support could be the momentum we need to get the distros active17:16
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sarobany questions17:16
matjazpWhat's your plan on commercial openstack distros?17:16
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matjazphow do you want to integrate them into curricula17:17
sarob#action matjazp will ping mordred this week on moodle oauth2 support17:17
sarobmatjazp: the plan is for the commercial distros to reuse the community training as the core of their materials17:18
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sarobmatjazp: they can either push their distro specific material inline like the install guides17:18
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sarobmatjazp: or they can stitch the distro material together with xi:include statements at build17:19
matjazpand LPI's role? help with content?17:19
sarobmatjazp: either way they get access17:19
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sarobmatjazp: LPI will help with structure of labs and content17:20
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sarobmatjazp: what style works17:20
sarobmatjazp: they are here to partner with us, not take over17:20
matjazpsarob: I was not worried about that ;)17:21
matjazpI can help with virtual labs...17:21
sarob#action sarob colinmcnamara will update the wiki with current developer plans17:21
sarobmatjazp: cool. that would be a great help17:22
sarobmatjazp: pranav and travis both worked on them and both had to step back due to workload17:22
matjazpI can also use students for testing Lab clarity/usefulness... but in winter semester17:23
sarob#action matjazp will help with the virtual labs17:23
sarob#topic any other business17:23
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sarobsooo aob?17:23
matjazpnope17:24
sarobcolinmcnamara: aob?17:24
colinmcnamaranone from me17:24
sarobokey dokey,17:24
sarobi wrap this early17:25
saroby'all have a good week17:25
matjazpbye17:25
sarob#endmeeting17:25
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redrobothi everybody!  jraim is mid-flight right now, so i'll be chairing the barbican meeting this week20:01
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redrobotcan I get a show of hands of people here for the barbican meeting?20:01
reaperhulkboo! down in front.20:01
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reaperhulko/20:01
arunkanto/20:01
rellerrellerhere20:01
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jraimo/ (for a few minutes until I have to board)20:02
alee_here20:02
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redrobotawesome.  looks like we have enough people here20:02
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redrobot#startmeeting barbican20:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 31 20:02:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'barbican'20:02
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redrobotas usual our agenda is here20:03
redrobot#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican20:03
redrobotfirst, let's follow up on some action items20:03
redrobothi malini20:04
malinihello~20:04
redrobotmalini would you like to update us on adding Barbican to the OpenStack security guide?20:05
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maliniI created a bleprint, but last weeks OSSG meeting did not happen20:05
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maliniSo no "approved" yet20:05
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redrobotcool, do you have a link to the blueprint handy?20:06
maliniin a few minues20:06
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redrobotmalini thanks20:06
redrobot#info malini is making progress on adding Barbican to OpenStack security guide.20:07
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malinihttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/security-guide-key-management20:07
redrobot#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/security-guide-key-management20:08
redrobotok, let's move on to the only item on the agenda today20:08
codekobeo/20:08
redrobot#topic Crypto plugin contract changes20:09
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redrobot#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/update-crypto-plugin-interface20:10
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alee_redrobot, so - yeah -- as I mentioned on irc,, I have a patch that implements these changes20:12
redrobotI think we've agreed that we want to keep Secret out of the plugin contract20:12
alee_and was about to submit it for review ..20:12
alee_till i just spoke with you and reaperhulk :)20:12
alee_a few minutes ago.20:12
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alee_I agree to creating a dto to pass the data over20:12
alee_and will make that change20:13
redrobot#agreed DTO should be used to pass data to plugin20:13
redrobotawesome20:13
redrobotthanks alee_20:13
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redrobotreaperhulk do you want to add anything?20:13
alee_no worries .. I'll submit as soon as I set up cloudcafe to do some basic testing20:14
maliniDTO ?20:14
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reaperhulkOnce we have an actual PR to look at I might have a bit more to say but I think we're all on the same page right now20:14
redrobot#info DTO = data transfer object20:14
malini:-) thank you20:14
redrobotmalini there's a dto parameter that is currently passed to the crypto plugin20:14
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redrobotlooks like atiwari isn't here today20:15
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maliniredrobot:atiwari had mentioned he would be out this week20:15
redrobothe was also thinking about some changes that may be needed20:15
redrobotmalini that's right, thanks.20:15
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rellerrellerSo there will just be an ecnrypt and decrypt method?20:16
rellerrellerAnd the repo will just store the result returned from encrypt?20:16
alee_as I understand it, there will still be an encrypt(), decrypt() and generate() method20:17
redrobotrellerreller there's a couple more20:17
redrobotalso a supports method20:17
redrobot#link rellerreller https://github.com/stackforge/barbican/blob/master/barbican/crypto/plugin.py#L8520:17
redrobot#link https://github.com/stackforge/barbican/blob/master/barbican/crypto/plugin.py#L8520:18
redrobotgenerate would return the same thing that encrypt does20:18
rellerrellerThanks!20:18
alee_but the generate() method will actually do what the old create() and encrypt() methods used to do.20:18
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redrobot^^ yep.  this way the plugin manager doesn't need to see the secret data before encrypting it20:19
malinialee: won't we have to keep the "creat" method for backwards compatibility20:19
redrobotor before it is encrypted by the plugin, I should say20:19
redrobotmalini there's only two implementations of a plugin now that we're aware of20:20
alee_reaperhulk, redrobot ^^ do I need to worry about backwards compatibility?20:20
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redrobotthe plan is to fix the existing implementations, unless we know of a current implementation that needs the backwards compatibility20:20
malini:-) there are some advantages for a fresh new project20:21
reaperhulkyep20:21
annegentlemalini: what's the blueprint link? Can I approve? :)20:21
annegentlemalini: ah you have Bryan as approver20:21
redrobotannegentle https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/update-crypto-plugin-interface20:22
annegentlemalini: no biggie20:22
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maliniannegentle: would you approve, that works too20:22
annegentlemalini: not sure if it's in the scope right now, considering it's just incubating, not integrated20:22
annegentlemalini: so have to think about that.20:22
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annegentlemalini: can you write the chapter in the barbican doc set in such a way that it's easily placed later?20:22
maliniwe had a page plus last summer as "coming soon to a theatre near you"20:23
alee_on the same topic, then - I have a patch that will do basic integration with the dogtag drm for key generation and retrieval.  I'll be submitting that soon as wip so folks can start poking at it.20:23
annegentlemalini: sure but it's not in an integrated release, so install isn't yet guaranteed20:23
malinisure, that makes sense20:23
annegentlemalini: so it'd be great to get a chapter that can be later integrated20:23
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redrobotannegentle oh sorry, you probably wanted this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/security-guide-key-management20:24
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maliniabsolutely, redrobot and self shall work on it20:24
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annegentlemalini: redrobot: yeah thanks, sorry I was a bit behind your agenda!20:25
annegentleCarry on please :)20:25
redrobot#action alee_ will upload WIP change to plugin20:25
alee_but we should start thinking about other tasks -- like a rceipe to get a drm installed, and changes in the barbican client.20:25
alee_any idea when folks will be able to start working on those tasks?20:26
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redrobotalee_ not entirely sure.  jraim would be able to speak on that20:27
maliniIn 4 weeks we should get another Intel person on board to work on Barbican, our team is growing20:27
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redrobotwe do have a repo for a drm cookbook, but it's just a skeleton right now20:27
redrobot#link https://github.com/cloudkeep-ops/chef-dogtag20:27
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redrobot#help we need someone to cook up a dogtag drm recipe20:28
redrobotany other thoughts on this before we move on?20:28
redrobotmalini that's great news :)20:29
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alee_I can ping jraim later in the week when he's not on a flight ..20:29
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redrobotyep, that'll work.  i'm sure he'll be checking the meeting logs later20:30
maliniBryan Payne approved our key manager chapter blueprint :-)20:30
bdpayne:-)20:31
redrobotwoot!20:31
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bdpayneI'd like to work with you guys to flush out some good content, but I really like the idea of adding more on Barbican to the book20:32
bdpaynefeel free to loop me into the writing process20:32
maliniSounds good~20:33
redrobotok, moving on guys.  does anyone have any other topics they'd like to discuss?20:34
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arunkantIs it okay to discuss other blueprints or that handled outside of this meeting ?20:35
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redrobotarunkant I think this is a good venue for talking about blueprints20:36
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redrobot#topic Blueprints20:36
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redrobotarunkant what's up?20:36
arunkantI have added this bp. #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/policy-target-support20:37
arunkantThis is added as part of addressing https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/129107320:37
redrobot#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81310/20:38
redrobotyes, I've started looking into the CR, although I must confess I'm not as familiar with oslo policy as you are, so it's taken me a while to spin up on it20:39
redroboti think woodster and reaperhulk had some concerns about the change20:40
arunkantYes..I have tried to answer woodster concern. ..let me check other concern as I have not seen it earlier in the morning..20:41
reaperhulkI didn't post anything against the CR arunkant. I believe woodster probably captured my concerns since we talked a bit about it a few days ago20:41
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arunkantokay. I have tried to explain the intent in blueprint by providing cases where ability to validate and use target data in policy rule is useful20:43
maliniwill we need to preserve as meta data with our keys access credentials <domain, tenant, user>   <foo, foo-finance, *> type stuff20:43
redrobotunfortunately woodster couldn't make it to the meeting this week.  He should be on the barbican IRC channel later though.  I'll try to ping him if I see him.20:43
maliniand then compare against the token's particulars20:43
malinii think atiwari had a design summit session, we need to design this well, then the policy from Oslo could be applied20:44
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rellerrellerAre there any blueprints that allow secrets to store arbitrary metadata?20:45
maliniand handle token delegation -- confess I do not know much about delegation20:45
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maliniSwift objects, volumes, images all allow storing meta data .. may need to take that path20:46
rellerrellerWe are going to propose a blueprint and that is the first step20:46
arunkantThis way of target support is used in other openstack modules e.g. keystone, horizon, glance etc..20:47
maliniwill check as pertains to access20:47
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redrobotrellerreller Yeah, blueprint would be the first step20:49
rellerrellerCool, hopefully we can get that out soon20:49
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redrobotarunkant we'll have to follow up on the CR after the meeting.20:52
redrobotwhew, look at the time20:52
arunkantokay.20:53
redrobotok guys, we're running out of time for the meeting this week.20:54
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redrobot#action rellerreller to add blueprint for adding arbitrary metadata20:54
redrobotwe'll follow up on blueprints again next meeting20:54
redrobotany last comments before we sign off?20:55
rellerrellerI'm on it20:55
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redrobotAlrighty guys, see y'all back here next week. ^_^20:56
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