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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 13:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
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| baoli | Hi there | 13:00 |
| irenab | hi | 13:00 |
| BrianB_ | Hello | 13:01 |
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| sadasu | Hello | 13:01 |
| heyongli | hello, | 13:01 |
| baoli | irenab, thanks for trying the patch. I will work on updating the patch to the latest branch, and also include the migration script, and some other fixes. | 13:02 |
| baoli | I just heard that Juno is open | 13:02 |
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| rkukura | hi | 13:02 |
| baoli | Hi rkukura | 13:02 |
| beagles | o/ | 13:02 |
| irenab | baoli: thanks | 13:03 |
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| baoli | Now that Juno is open, we probably should work on the nova BPs, trying to get them approved soon | 13:05 |
| heyongli | hope more than anyone -:) | 13:06 |
| rkukura | note that binding:vif_details is now availalbe to nova’s VIF driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83190/ | 13:06 |
| irenab | baoli: +1 | 13:06 |
| irenab | rkukura: great job on convincing the community to take this approach | 13:07 |
| sadasu | can we discuss the section added by Yongli in the use cases google doc? | 13:07 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: thanks | 13:07 |
| irenab | I want also to dicuss the plans for Juno summit sessions and see that all aspects are covered | 13:07 |
| irenab | sadasu: link? | 13:08 |
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| sadasu | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zgMaXqrCnad01-jQH7Mkmf6amlghw9RMScGLBrKslmw/edit | 13:08 |
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| baoli | yongli, thanks for adding those cases | 13:09 |
| beagles | please note that the blueprint review process has changed in nova for juno | 13:10 |
| heyongli | welcome | 13:10 |
| heyongli | thanks beagles, does nova spec open ? | 13:10 |
| beagles | (wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Nova) | 13:10 |
| beagles | heyongli, not 100% sure on that. Last I noticed there were some details being worked out | 13:11 |
| rkukura | also, neutron is adopting similar blueprint review process - details soon | 13:11 |
| irenab | beagles: there are lalready number of blueprints submitted there | 13:11 |
| baoli | beagles, thanks for the pointer. | 13:11 |
| irenab | I think that sessions for cross project track should be submitted till April 10 and not 20 as others | 13:13 |
| sadasu | must say idea of a design template is a good one | 13:13 |
| sadasu | now we know what the cores are looking for | 13:14 |
| irenab | shall we discuss nova api as part oft the cross project topic together with nova and neutron interaction? I think it is worth to disuss the full story. What do you think? | 13:14 |
| heyongli | definitely, it will speed up review, and not lost some aspect of one design | 13:14 |
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| heyongli | irenab, the API might fine, but if use aggregate , there is already api avaliable | 13:15 |
| sadasu | by Nova api do you mean, how we handle PCI device lists? | 13:16 |
| heyongli | recently i considerate it again | 13:16 |
| heyongli | sadasu, what is pci device list? | 13:16 |
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| irenab | heyongli: we need the way to request vnic_type per network required by VM, and John rejected the plain vnic_type for nova boot command, so we need some suggestion here | 13:17 |
| sadasu | how we group PCI devices | 13:17 |
| heyongli | sadasu, how we group pci, is not a part of pci API, is it? | 13:17 |
| sadasu | no...it is not | 13:18 |
| irenab | sadasu: also we need suggestion for what you raised | 13:18 |
| sadasu | that is why I am suggesting that it should be part of the joint session discussion | 13:18 |
| heyongli | irenab, for nova, we should paid attention to the design | 13:18 |
| irenab | sadasu: +1 | 13:18 |
| sadasu | to make sure we handle sr-iov and non sr-iov cases | 13:18 |
| irenab | baoli: do we need session in neutron? | 13:18 |
| irenab | currently we do not have cross project session proposed | 13:19 |
| baoli | irenab, I agree to have a joint session. | 13:19 |
| heyongli | another drop of discuss point: aggregate is used to partition the machines in one zones, the pci flavor will break this layer principle | 13:19 |
| sadasu | irenab: agreed, I think John had suggested using commonly used terms like "fast" , "medium" etc to describe vnic_type at the API level | 13:20 |
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| rkukura | isn’t the point of vnic_type to match with the driver inside the VM? Generic terms like “fast” don’t help with that! | 13:21 |
| sadasu | +1 for joint session and separate sessions for Nova and Neutron respectively | 13:21 |
| irenab | shall we open wiki page and put there all issues to raise? | 13:21 |
| heyongli | and aggregate partition the machine by it's attr, and flavor is something user 'created' , sound no so 'aggregate' style. | 13:21 |
| heyongli | irenab, the wiki might not be noticed, | 13:21 |
| heyongli | suggest put it to session etherpad | 13:22 |
| irenab | baoli: do you plan to resubmit the session and depricate the neutron one? | 13:22 |
| baoli | Irenab, let me note it down and update it today | 13:22 |
| irenab | heyongli: etherpad sounds good | 13:23 |
| irenab | baoli: thanks a lot | 13:23 |
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| irenab | heyongli: do you know where to open the etherpad? IT maybe good idea to notify on ML that there is one for others to contribute too | 13:24 |
| heyongli | wait | 13:24 |
| heyongli | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p | 13:24 |
| heyongli | i think it's ther | 13:25 |
| heyongli | e | 13:25 |
| irenab | thanks! | 13:25 |
| sadasu | rkukura: John does not approve of terms like macvtap, direct etc which are networking specific to be part of the nova api | 13:25 |
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| sadasu | we might have to come up with a 1 -1 mapping between ^ terms and some other nova approved terms | 13:26 |
| irenab | we may need some NIC Flavor tha t admin can create and Tenant may use | 13:27 |
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| sadasu | heyongli: cool thanks! | 13:27 |
| rkukura | sadasu: This might be a situation where writing the docs first would pay off | 13:28 |
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| heyongli | baoli, i change the interface of my patch, the last 2, and it's almost your idea, check it, i hope it help | 13:29 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: ok | 13:29 |
| baoli | heyongli, i will check it out. What's the interface are you referring to? | 13:30 |
| irenab | let's try to put all question/issues we have for end 2 end support on ehterpad first and see if we can cover them with clear proposals or even patches towards the summit | 13:30 |
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| heyongli | baoli: creat pci request, find which device have the request id | 13:30 |
| baoli | heyongli, sounds good. I'll check it out. | 13:31 |
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| baoli | Can we focus on yongli's use case for a bit? | 13:31 |
| irenab | heyongli: itzikb is currently trying baoli's patch, let us know when we can try your patches | 13:32 |
| heyongli | for use case, once everyone notice it, i think it's enough, right, we list them there want to get core easy to involved to review our bp | 13:32 |
| heyongli | irenab, i suggest partition the common pci support from the --nic things, ie, my patch +baoli's patch form a whole nova side support. | 13:33 |
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| irenab | heyongli: ok | 13:34 |
| baoli | Yongli, your first use case. By fasterNIC, do you mean to distinguish card types from the same vendor? | 13:35 |
| heyongli | baoli: it might be, might not, ie, you can define 'fast' thing is a device who had attr, ie, 10G | 13:36 |
| irenab | regarding the use cases, its quite difficult to follow, since you cover the changes. Are these admin use cases? | 13:36 |
| heyongli | irenab: might admin and user, cause i put them there to show the design reason | 13:37 |
| heyongli | irenab: what you mean about the 'cover the changes'? | 13:37 |
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| baoli | Yongli, 10G doesn't mean it's fast, and 1G is slower than 10G | 13:38 |
| irenab | seems it covers the changes in design comparing previous implementation | 13:38 |
| heyongli | baoli: yeah, i just say, a attr different to phy_network | 13:39 |
| baoli | Yongli, but my understanding with the first use case is that extra tag may be useful in identifying extra requirement | 13:39 |
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| heyongli | baoli, right, | 13:40 |
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| baoli | yongli, the second use case is not specific to SR-IOV | 13:40 |
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| heyongli | yeah, my section point this out | 13:41 |
| heyongli | i want to ensure common pci case is also should be considerated. | 13:41 |
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| irenab | heyongli: is there a plan to manage PCI flavors via API? | 13:44 |
| heyongli | irenab, yeah | 13:44 |
| heyongli | and i also try to show aggregate seems not a suit solution, if i'm luck | 13:45 |
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| heyongli | not a very good choice for flavor i post 2 new reason above | 13:45 |
| irenab | Would it be the correct use case: Admin need to provide thenant with different PCI flavor based on certain capabilities? | 13:46 |
| heyongli | irenab: right see my use case 3, it's almost same thing? what do you think | 13:46 |
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| irenab | heyongli: yes, its seems so. | 13:48 |
| baoli | My thought was that the third use case seems to be a good fit for host aggregate. | 13:48 |
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| baoli | Certainly, it would be combined with pci request | 13:49 |
| heyongli | baoli: john argue aggregate for flavor , and for this one, aggregate also work, | 13:49 |
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| baoli | yongli, your use cases seem to demonstrate that multiple tags are useful for user to select a particular PCI device. But implementation could be quite different | 13:50 |
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| heyongli | baoli, sure | 13:51 |
| irenab | so what we basically need to complete for use cases, is that it is defined from admin/tenant perspective and we propose the way to achive it, from API level, configs,... | 13:51 |
| heyongli | i just choose a straightforward one | 13:52 |
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| heyongli | irenab: more complex use case might lead to miss understanding our intention and distract the review process | 13:52 |
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| irenab | heyongli: I think we just need to consider that eventually we need to document the steps that admin and tenent should do to achive each use case, so it is good way to separate 'what to do' from 'how it is done' | 13:54 |
| beagles | heyongli, I think you have to find a balance.. go too simple and you have to explain "okay, why?" or "how do you seem people being able to use this?" "Why do people want this?" | 13:55 |
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| heyongli | beagles, +1 | 13:55 |
| beagles | heyongli, if you cannot explain the part something plays in a big picture, people will want to know why it needs to be done | 13:55 |
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| beagles | the admin and user perspectives provide a framework for that. | 13:56 |
| beagles | here's the other thing | 13:56 |
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| beagles | if someone asks "How do I write a functional test for this" | 13:56 |
| beagles | the admin and user use cases pretty much define that from the get-go | 13:56 |
| irenab | we have 5 mins, any plan to achive for coming week? | 13:57 |
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| heyongli | beagles, if we must get a perfect design , that might be a chanlenge for everyone, we can fit the design template at least and if some one want to know more, we ensure we had the things somewhere | 13:57 |
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| beagles | I don't think that's a design .. that's a how we want it to work from a higher level | 13:57 |
| beagles | the design falls out of that | 13:57 |
| irenab | I can open etherpad for cross project session topics, so we can put any issue there | 13:57 |
| heyongli | irenab: at least work for the patch? and get a work combine patch set | 13:58 |
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| heyongli | thanks irenab, that's a good idea | 13:59 |
| irenab | my feeling, we need to invest into sesssion preparation: etherpad, use cases and blueprints | 13:59 |
| baoli | let's work on the use cases, please add any you can think of, and we can comment on them. We really need to find some common grounds to move forward. | 13:59 |
| irenab | greate, will email the link to etherpad in few mins | 14:00 |
| irenab | ^great | 14:00 |
| heyongli | sure, let do more mail threading discuss if possible | 14:00 |
| baoli | thanks everyone. | 14:00 |
| irenab | thanks a lot | 14:00 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| alcabrera | o/ | 15:01 |
| malini | o/ | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| dmitryme | o/ | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 15:01:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:01 | |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 15:01 |
| malini | \o/ | 15:01 |
| * flaper87 is here \o/ | 15:01 | |
| sriram | o/ \o | 15:01 |
| dmitryme | o/ | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | -o- | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | dmitryme: hey :) | 15:01 |
| flwang | o/ | 15:01 |
| dmitryme | flaper87, folks, hello! | 15:01 |
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| alcabrera | dmitryme: hey, welcome. :) | 15:02 |
| malini | hello dmitryme | 15:02 |
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| kgriffs | anybody else in teh house for Marconi? | 15:02 |
| cpallares | o/ | 15:02 |
| balajiiyer | o/ | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | let's do this | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: what? The meeting? now? | 15:03 |
| * flaper87 STFU | 15:03 | |
| kgriffs | #topic FAQ meetup | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FAQ meetup (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:03 | |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/draft-marconi-faq | 15:03 |
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| flaper87 | So, very quick, the idea would be to organize a hangout sometime this week (or next week) to go through the FAQ | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | there's a lot of content there to be discussed | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | the goal of that hangout is to come up with a fairly decent FAQ | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | that could be put on our wiki | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | I'm kinda tempted to put the FAQ somewhere in the code base too | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | but lets not talk about that now | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | So, lot has been written in that FAQ, I'll schedule the hangout and invite you all | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | we'll stream it and invite folks to join | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | and that's it. I don't have anything else to say | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | when would be a good time to for the hangout? | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | I guess this same time ? | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | I mean, 15 UTC | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | is anyone going to be offline this week or next? | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | 15 UTC seems to work for myself, kgriffs, malini, and flaper87. How about you, flwang? | 15:07 |
| * alcabrera is timezoning | 15:07 | |
| kgriffs | I will be at PyCon starting next thur | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: ahhhh, lucky you | 15:07 |
| malini | 15 UTC works for me | 15:07 |
| flwang | alcabrera: what's current meeting time? | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | enjoy, kgriffs. :) | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | flwang: 15UTC | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | flwang: 1500 UTC | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | flwang: and you're on-line | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | we could infer it works for you | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | just kidding | 15:08 |
| flwang | flaper87: it works for me | 15:08 |
| alcabrera | sweet | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | I know it's late there | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | cool, so 15UTC it is | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | lets pick a day during this week, probably Thursday | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | how does that sound? | 15:08 |
| alcabrera | lemme check | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | works for me | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | I'm generally free 1400 or 1500 | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: cpallares malini flwang ? | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: can you send out a doodle poll to the ML | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: sure, will do | 15:10 |
| * flaper87 forgot about that | 15:10 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | ok, nothing else from me | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | we can jump into the next topic | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | +1 for doodle | 15:11 |
| cpallares | +2 for doodle | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | #action flaper87 to schedule and moderate FAQ hangout | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | #action flaper87 to send out doodle poll to ML for FAQ meetup | 15:11 |
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| alcabrera | double the action for flaper87 | 15:11 |
| * kgriffs wonders if he's bugged | 15:11 | |
| flaper87 | not fair, not fair | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | :( | 15:11 |
| * alcabrera knows kgriffs is bugged -- bwahaha | 15:11 | |
| * kgriffs wonders who alcabrera *really* works for | 15:11 | |
| kgriffs | ok, moving on | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | :P | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | #topic FYI: Third-party testing (malini) | 15:12 |
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| kgriffs | #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 15:12 |
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| malini | So this was one was to figure out how we can get a newer mongo at the gate | 15:12 |
| malini | I checked with os-infra & 3rd party testing wont be a good solution here | 15:13 |
| malini | they suggest 3rd party testing, in scenarios that we need dedicated hardware to test | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | why won't it be a good solution? | 15:14 |
| malini | infra wants projects to be able to run with the distro version supplied s/w | 15:14 |
| malini | Our option now is to wait for Trusty at the gate | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | hmmm. | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | so, for the mongodb test we *have* to make it work in the gate | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | one way or another | 15:15 |
| alcabrera | #info Ubuntu Trusty out April 17th | 15:15 |
| malini | currently ceilometer folks do ot run with mongo at the gate | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | I lost track of what the issues around that were | 15:15 |
| alcabrera | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | oh, if it is that soon, we should be OK | 15:15 |
| malini | infra will have Trusty once the cloud providers have them | 15:16 |
| malini | So we need RAX etc. to have trusty or infra should be able to upload a glance image | 15:16 |
| * flaper87 votes for waiting and parting 'til Trusty arrives to THE GATE! | 15:16 | |
| malini | hopefully we'll have it within the next 2 months | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: we can't use older mongo because we need TTL iirc | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: ah, that might be it | 15:17 |
| alcabrera | Mongo TTLs: New in version 2.2 | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | #note third-party testing is really for specialized hardware, not for working around db versions | 15:17 |
| malini | Trusty has Mongo 2.4 | 15:17 |
| alcabrera | #link http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/expire-data/ | 15:17 |
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| kgriffs | #note marconi requires newer version of Mongo than is currently offered in the gate. | 15:18 |
| sriram | yes | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | #agreed wait until Trusty lands in the gate to enable mongodb in devstack | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | ok, anything else on this topic? | 15:18 |
| malini | kgriffs: +1 | 15:18 |
| malini | thts it from me | 15:18 |
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| kgriffs | FWIW, that blueprint was moved out of RC1: https://launchpad.net/marconi/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 | 15:19 |
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| kgriffs | P.S. - RC1 is ready to be cut, unless I miss it and it was already done. | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: it hasn't been done yet | 15:20 |
| * malini wonders why it is 'cut' & not ready for release | 15:20 | |
| flaper87 | I'd like the cut to happen asap so we can open Juno's development | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | malini: because you cut the master branch :P | 15:20 |
| malini | flaper87: reminds me of a barber :D | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: also, as soon as rc1 is out we should release a new client version | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | pls, approve: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82820/ | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | flwang did great tests on the client side | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | and added a keystone example | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | rock on, thanks flwang | 15:22 |
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| kgriffs | #note flwang rocks | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | #topic Enforce alphabetical ordering in requirements file | 15:22 |
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| * flwang is ashamed now :D | 15:22 | |
| kgriffs | just want to triage this real quick: #topic Enforce alphabetical | 15:22 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: approved. :) | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: thanks :) | 15:22 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1285478 | 15:22 |
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| * flaper87 thought we were already doing that | 15:23 | |
| flaper87 | +1 from me | 15:23 |
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| kgriffs | we probably are, but just not enforcing it with requirements_style_check.sh | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | works for me | 15:24 |
| * flaper87 tried hard to keep that `tools` dir out of Marconi | 15:24 | |
| kgriffs | ok, I'll set it to low priority | 15:24 |
| * flaper87 failed | 15:24 | |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: I'll forgive you just as long as you rewrite all those bash scripts in Python. ;) | 15:24 |
| alcabrera | tools/nothing_to_see_here.asm | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: LOL | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | #topic Oslo plans for Juno | 15:25 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/JunoGraduationPlans | 15:25 |
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| kgriffs | so, this is an FYI and call for volunteer | 15:26 |
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| kgriffs | first off all, kudos to dhellmann and his crew for getting a bunch of Oslo projects prepped for graduation | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | I encourage everyone to take a few minutes to review that wiki page | 15:27 |
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| kgriffs | second, I need a volunteer for "Project Liason" (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/JunoGraduationPlans#Project_Liaisons) | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | sweet, oslo.log | 15:27 |
| * flaper87 reviewed that wiki before it came out :P | 15:28 | |
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| kgriffs | brb | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | one minute | 15:30 |
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| kgriffs | ok, got my connection back | 15:31 |
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| alcabrera | w00t | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | so, flaper87 you've basically been the liason for, like, ever | 15:32 |
| flwang | kgriffs: as for the liason, I would say flaper87 is the best candidate :) | 15:32 |
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| flwang | flaper87: core for olso and marconi, both | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: are you cool with continuing in that role? | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yup, absolutely | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | :) | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | kewl | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | #note flaper87 is now Marconi's official oslo Liason/Champion | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | #topic graduation review followup | 15:34 |
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| alcabrera | thanks, flaper87. :) | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | So, has everyone signed up at ask.openstack.org and put a watch on the "marconi" tag? | 15:34 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: you know my answer already, right? | 15:34 |
| sriram | yes. | 15:34 |
| malini | I did | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | I think I did. >.> | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | yes | 15:35 |
| cpallares | I didn't even know we had and ask.openstack.org :O | 15:35 |
| flwang | me too | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | cpallares: now you do. :D | 15:35 |
| cpallares | kgriffs: :D | 15:35 |
| * cpallares signs up | 15:35 | |
| kgriffs | #topic Check trademarks for project | 15:35 |
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| kgriffs | megan_w: ^^^ | 15:36 |
| megan_w | still pending legal review | 15:36 |
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| kgriffs | so, just to fill everyone in, megan_w has been talking to OS Marketing to see if we have any issues with "Marconi" or whatever | 15:37 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:37 |
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| kgriffs | vkmc: hi! | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | vkmc: heya. :) | 15:37 |
| * vkmc catching up | 15:37 | |
| vkmc | :) | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | #topic ATL summit | 15:37 |
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| kgriffs | Please get your design session proposals in by end of day (EOD) thursday | 15:38 |
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| kgriffs | I would like to start reviewing them on Friday and discuss at the next mtg if that is cool with everyone. | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | that sounds good | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | anybody have any general summit thoughts/questions? | 15:40 |
| malini | not from me | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | nothing comes to mind at the moment from me | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | We need to focus on planning what's comming next | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | I mean, what we want to have as a graduation ground and what we're going to do community-wise | 15:40 |
| * flaper87 didn't mean to state the obvious | 15:41 | |
| kgriffs | +1 | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | FWIW, before the summit I'd like to overhaul the Marconi wiki and have everyone aligned on our goals for the summit and our messaging to the community | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | So, in a couple weeks let's start working on that and go to the summit ready to rock | 15:43 |
| alcabrera | +1 for wiki overhaul | 15:43 |
| alcabrera | it's been some time | 15:43 |
| * flaper87 will bring his guitar | 15:43 | |
| alcabrera | the refactoring will be lovely | 15:43 |
| alcabrera | :) | 15:43 |
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| kgriffs | #topic Proposal: use Marconi for Guest Agent (dmitryme) | 15:44 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/UnifiedGuestAgent | 15:44 |
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| dmitryme | kgriffs: thank you for introduction | 15:45 |
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| flwang | kgriffs: interesting idea | 15:45 |
| dmitryme | so, basically if you are not familiar with the agent, the idea is to allow OpenStack services execute commands 'inside' VMs | 15:46 |
| dmitryme | for that we need an agent running inside the VM and executing the commands | 15:46 |
| dmitryme | the question is how to negotiate with it | 15:46 |
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| dmitryme | long story short, we decided that Marconi seems to be the best fit for it | 15:47 |
| dmitryme | mainly because it provides multi-tenancy | 15:47 |
| dmitryme | I'd like to hear from you folks if you have any concerns with that | 15:47 |
| dmitryme | from my understanding, such agent seems to a regular consumer app for Marconi | 15:48 |
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| dmitryme | the only special requirement is Marconi API availability not only from VMs, but from OpenStack Controller nodes as well | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:49 |
| dmitryme | but that does not sound like a big deal | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | dmitryme: that sound feasible | 15:49 |
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| flaper87 | dmitryme: Do the agents have special routing needs? | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | dmitryme: what about pub-sub requirements ? | 15:49 |
| flwang | dmitryme: can the agent be used to collect guest os metrics? | 15:49 |
| dmitryme | flaper87: agent only needs connection to Marconi API | 15:49 |
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| dmitryme | flaper87: it is my thinking that agent has no special pub-sub requirements | 15:50 |
| dmitryme | the only thing I am thinking right now is that Marconi should be ready for high performance | 15:50 |
| malini | dmitryme: do you have any specific perf requirements- rps /response time etc ? | 15:51 |
| dmitryme | in case we bring up a cluster consisting of hundreds of VMs, all of them will start polling the API at the same time | 15:51 |
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| alcabrera | dmitryme: how often will they poll? Once per second? etc.? | 15:52 |
| dmitryme | flwang: I think collecting metrics for Ceilometer could be viwed as one of use cases | 15:52 |
| flwang | dmitryme: nice | 15:52 |
| dmitryme | regarding response time, naturally we would like to have it as small as possible | 15:52 |
| dmitryme | say, poll once in 0.1 or 0.2 seconds | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | dmitryme: you may not need to poll that often | 15:53 |
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| dmitryme | one of the other options I see is to use long polling | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | that amounts to roughly 1500 - 3000 rps | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | dmitryme: I mean, sometimes you may, but you might consider defining some polling "modes" | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | like, ['idle', 'active', 'fast'] | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | for example, an agent can be 'idle' | 15:54 |
| dmitryme | kgriffs: yep, we can do it, but the thing is the load will be bursty anyway | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | then when it gets a "wakeup" or other message, you could throttle up for X period of time | 15:55 |
| dmitryme | because most communication will be done at provisioning time | 15:55 |
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| kgriffs | dmitryme: then you would default to "fast" and then throttle down after provisioning to 'idle' - something like that | 15:55 |
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| kgriffs | dmitryme: anyway, just a thought for making more efficient use of your Marconi cluster | 15:56 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: may be a good feature to have in the client | 15:56 |
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| dmitryme | kgriffs: did you guys think about implementing consuming API with long polling? | 15:56 |
| * flaper87 got distracted, back! | 15:56 | |
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| dmitryme | that might solve the problem | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | dmitryme: yep, we've discussed it. No firm plans atm. | 15:56 |
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| dmitryme | the thing is, I think the agent is not the only app which would prefer low latency | 15:57 |
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| kgriffs | dmitryme: low latency is great, but practically speaking, "pretty" low latency is usually good enough | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | (in my experience, just speaking anectodaly) | 15:58 |
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| kgriffs | dmitryme: don't get me wrong, we very much care about performance when it comes to Marconi! | 15:58 |
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| * flaper87 is really exited by this use case | 15:58 | |
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| dmitryme | kgriffs: right, I think we'll need to do performance testing to estimate how frequently we can poll | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | I'm just making a point that once you get to low-ms range per transaction, that is sufficient for a most use cases | 15:59 |
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| kgriffs | dmitryme: yep, that would be good to quantify what you need. Also, FWIW, malini has been talking to the Rally folks so we can start getting some regular benchmarking setup | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | oh, and by "low-ms" range, I mean < 40 ms turnaround, or < 20 ideally | 16:01 |
| dmitryme | kgriffs: I think I would be absolutely happy with < 100 ms | 16:02 |
| kgriffs | dmitryme: p.s. - if you enable HTTP keepalive on your load balancer, that helps reduce latency. Not sure if that is enabled in the client library? | 16:02 |
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| dmitryme | users are not that fast, or maybe its just me ;-) | 16:02 |
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| kgriffs | heh | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | all done? | 16:02 |
| kgriffs | dmitryme: I think 100-200 ms is perceived as "instant" by humans | 16:02 |
| kgriffs | adrian_otto: just about - 1 min | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | anyway | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | I think everyone is cool with this idea? | 16:03 |
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| kgriffs | s/idea/proposal | 16:03 |
| dmitryme | kgriffs: yep, the only exception is if you playing Counter-Strike. Sorry for the flame :-) | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | dmitryme: LOL | 16:03 |
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| kgriffs | #agreed Guest Agent is a good use case for Marconi | 16:04 |
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| kgriffs | dmitryme: cool, let's keep in touch on this and feel free to suggest ideas that will make Marconi easier for you to use | 16:04 |
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| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 16:05:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-01-15.01.html | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-01-15.01.txt | 16:05 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-01-15.01.log.html | 16:05 |
| alcabrera | I'll gather minutes. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:05 |
| alcabrera | o/ | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 16:05:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:05 |
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| vkmc | Thanks! | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Our Agenda | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:05 |
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| funzo | o/ | 16:05 |
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| muralia | murali | 16:05 |
| stannie | Pierre Padrixe | 16:05 |
| tomblank | tom blankenship | 16:05 |
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| aratim | Arati Mahimane | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | Adrain otto | 16:05 |
| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 16:05 |
| dmitryme | o/ Dmitry Mescheryakov | 16:05 |
| gokrokve | Georgy Okrokvertskhov | 16:05 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey | 16:05 |
| noorul | Noorul Islam K M | 16:05 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta | 16:05 |
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| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 16:06 |
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| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | Welcome everyone. Feel free to chime in at any time if you have not already to be recorded in attendance. | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks for a great face-to-face meeting in Raleigh. I'd like to extend special thanks to our co-contributors at RedHat for hosting us. | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements from other attendees today? | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to locate Nova blueprints/reviews on libvirt driver support for Docker | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | I tracked down a lot of information on this. It appears that Docker's current focus is on the Heat Provider for Docker | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | the Nova driver is now in Stackforge, and may be re-introduced into Nova when it meets the testing expectations set for virtualization drivers. | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | we looked into the LXC driver, and found that it is not working out of the box | 16:10 |
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| funzo | adrian_otto: does that mean the viewpoint of not putting it in nova has changed? | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | our current preferred approach is to use the Docker Nova Driver from Stackforge | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: good question. | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | I plan to publish a wiki page this week that illustrates why this is our preferred approach | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | it eliminates a lot of complexity with respect to handling Docker on the system side | 16:11 |
| funzo | I've heard two perspectives. One from russellb and dan smith that it shouldn't be in nova and then the other of putting in nova. not sure where it landed | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | long term I expect it will be in a dedicated containers service | 16:12 |
| funzo | either way, sounds like we have an option to move forward with the heat driver | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | in the mean time, we do have a functional Nova driver | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | and the Heat Provider is a short term alternative if we need features taht Nova is unable to surface because of virt API concerns | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | the bottom line is that nothing is set in stone, adn we have options | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | I learned that the deprecation of the Docker Nova Driver was not an issue about where it belonged | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | but an issue about Nova needing to pass test for the Icehouse release | 16:13 |
| russellb | correct | 16:14 |
| russellb | we had testing requirements set in place before the docker driver was merged, and the docker driver wasn't able to meet the requirements | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | this will be a topic of conversation in Atlanta where we can debate it constructively | 16:14 |
| russellb | so it's in a separate repo while the driver gets worked on, and testing put in place | 16:14 |
| russellb | we can consider merging it back in to nova in the future, potentially | 16:14 |
| funzo | right on, thanks for the info | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | russellb: are the only ones working on that Repo from Docker Inc? | 16:14 |
| russellb | requirements referred to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix/DeprecationPlan | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | as I noticed that it's missing documentation as well | 16:15 |
| russellb | it's still brand new, so hard to say | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix/DeprecationPlan | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | russellb: thanks! | 16:15 |
| russellb | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/nova-docker | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | any more thoughts on this before advancing to the next topic? | 16:16 |
| russellb | commits so far are just me and eric (from docker) | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | russellb: thanks | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Mission Statement Review | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-mission Mission Statement | 16:16 |
| russellb | couple other contributors here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/nova-docker,n,z | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | we worked on this together in Raleigh | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | the current direction is to have a program mission statement that's centric to the OpenStack experience for Application Developers | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | and secondary mission statement(s) for projects an initiatives to support that theme of the program | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | that's where we landed after a few hours of discussion | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | I plan to take a pass through the etherpad, and select a few finalists for voting next week | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | does anyone have new ideas to share regarding the mission statement? | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next... | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Blueprints: https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/milestone-1 | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/api Solum API (aotto) | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | my understanding is that the APi is feature complete, with no outstanding defects. | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | does anyone have thoughts or concerns on this one? | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | any objections to marking this as complete? | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that is now marked as Implemented | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-minimal-cli Command Line Interface for Solum (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:23 |
| devkulkarni | This one also is complete. I will let muralia, stannie talk about it more | 16:23 |
| muralia | Yes, it is complete. We are able to create app and assembly | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that's marked as implemented. | 16:23 |
| muralia | there are no blockers on the CLI side for the initial workflow | 16:23 |
| gokrokve | By "app" you mean "plan"? | 16:24 |
| datsun180b | yes | 16:24 |
| muralia | yes, on the cli side its called app/ | 16:24 |
| gokrokve | Cool. | 16:24 |
| stannie | nothing more to add, CLI can be marked as implemented | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull Pull integration of Solum from an external Git repo (kraman) | 16:24 |
| devkulkarni | This one is still being worked on. aratim has the latest.. | 16:24 |
| devkulkarni | aratim.. any updates from your side on this? | 16:25 |
| julienvey | just need to plug the trigger part to the worker part | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | it's in review, correct? | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni | yes. it is in review. | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | is there any featurese that is not already submitted for review that is needed for M1? | 16:26 |
| devkulkarni | julienvey: cool. thanks. | 16:26 |
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| julienvey | I don't see the review, do you have a link ? | 16:26 |
| devkulkarni | no, everything is either merged or in review. | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I have marked that as In Review | 16:26 |
| datsun180b | all i'm working on is more thorough docs, no code at the moment | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | I think it's actually merged | 16:26 |
| devkulkarni | yeah, looks like it is merged | 16:27 |
| julienvey | hum | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+solum,n,z open reviews | 16:27 |
| datsun180b | ^ pin that tab if you use chrome | 16:27 |
| julienvey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81923/ | 16:27 |
| aratim | my review got abandoned | 16:27 |
| aratim | working on the trigger workflow | 16:27 |
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| aratim | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81923/ | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | aratim and julienvey: do we need to revive that one? | 16:28 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: yes, it's a simple task | 16:28 |
| aratim | yes, I am planning to work on it | 16:28 |
| julienvey | aratim: ok | 16:28 |
| noorul | It says git push workflow | 16:28 |
| julienvey | it is trigger when you do a git push, but it is referenced in solum as the "git pull" workflow | 16:29 |
| aratim | It is the workflow which will be triggered when user pushes to git repo | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | git push is out of scope for M1, and pull is in scope | 16:29 |
| julienvey | because solum will pull the git repo | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | so this review is in scope, correct julienvey? | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni | yes, this is in scope | 16:30 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: yes | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | aratim: can you un-abandon it please? | 16:30 |
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| aratim | sure | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | tx | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | next one... | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/specify-lang-pack Specify the language pack to be used for app deploy (devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:31 |
| devkulkarni | stannie, muralia made great progress on the remaining parts of this | 16:31 |
| devkulkarni | stannie, muralia: could you update all on it :) | 16:31 |
| muralia | I just pushed a patch for language packs. | 16:32 |
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| muralia | its currently a non-blocker, as w are using auto in the plan file. | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | https://review.openstack.org/67292 was merged, and that was the one for M1 scope | 16:32 |
| stannie | devkulkarni: julienvey added the missing method to POST, PUT, DELETE LP(s) | 16:32 |
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| muralia | but once my patch gets merged, we'll be able to register new language packs. We need to test it. I think there is some plumbing that needs to be done on the api side | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | so I's it sensible to mark this as Implemented, or should we leave it as in-progress? | 16:33 |
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| devkulkarni | we can mark it implemented. | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | done | 16:33 |
| julienvey | As we discussed at the end of the f2f meeting, I created a blueprint to store LP in glance, but this is out of scope for now | 16:33 |
| julienvey | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/store-language-packs-in-glance | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni | julienvey: cool | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: excellent! | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | ok, last blueprint for review today: | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/deploy-workflow Workflow outlining deployment of a DU (asalkeld/devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b should have updates on this.. | 16:34 |
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| datsun180b | well tbh julien's update covered the bases | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: floor is yours :) | 16:34 |
| julienvey | stannie and I have a working version of the m1-run through deployment | 16:35 |
| julienvey | we fixed the last remaining bugs | 16:35 |
| datsun180b | so have i! | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | julienvey, stannie: =1 | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 16:35 |
| julienvey | we only tested the nodejs-express plan | 16:35 |
| datsun180b | with yesterday's changes merged the 'fiddly bits' i mentioned yesterday seem to have been dissolved properly | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | so it it appropriate to mark this as implmented? | 16:36 |
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| datsun180b | looking at that bp seems that's exactly what happens | 16:36 |
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| julienvey | datsun180b: yes | 16:37 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | ok, done | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | I will clean up the remainder of https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/milestone-1 today | 16:37 |
| noorul | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84116/ | 16:38 |
| noorul | Isn't that required for m1 to be complete? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | a moment of recognition for reaching this point. With some additional docs, we will complete this milestone. Well done everyone! | 16:38 |
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| devkulkarni | +1 | 16:38 |
| tomblank | yes, thanks everyone!! well done... | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: that is not in the critical path, no. We do want to fix that though, and should have a bug opened for it. | 16:40 |
| stannie | noorul: it can work without this fix, since in python code we already removes empty spaces, but it's better to remove empty space from the source sh | 16:40 |
| stannie | we managed to get M1 working without this fix with julienvey | 16:40 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: stannie ok | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | and just having an open review does not meet my expectations | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | as a review can expire, and we lose sigt of it | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | where a bug will persist until we address the issue | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | s/sigt/sight/ | 16:41 |
| stannie | but when you see the log when build-app sh is exectuted you see created_glance_id with an empty space which is weird. | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to open a bug for https://review.openstack.org/84116 | 16:41 |
| stannie | Ok, I am opening the bug adrian_otto | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | stannie, ok, great, thanks | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | next topic | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/UnifiedGuestAgent for use in Solum | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | dmitryme: welcome | 16:42 |
| dmitryme | adrian_otto: thank you for introduction | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/UnifiedGuestAgent Unified Guest Agent | 16:42 |
| dmitryme | so, the agent is the designed to run on VM and execute commands coming from OpenStack Service | 16:43 |
| dmitryme | service like Solum | 16:43 |
| noorul | How secure is this? | 16:44 |
| dmitryme | the idea is that after you provisioned the app, you probably need to execute commands inside the app | 16:44 |
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| dmitryme | noorul: security is one of the main concerns | 16:44 |
| datsun180b | Trove uses a guest agent model to do things like create databases | 16:44 |
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| dmitryme | right now the agent is in the design/PoC state | 16:44 |
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| dmitryme | datsun180b: right, we (Sahara) copied their design initially | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | dmitryme: Are signed payloads contemplated? | 16:45 |
| dmitryme | they communicate with the agent via queue: Rabbit or Qpid | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | I did not see any authorization and authentication design discussed | 16:45 |
| dmitryme | adrian_otto: regarding authorization, I think last thread covered that a little | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | basically it's a backdoor that can be used for any purpose, which really raises security concern | 16:46 |
| dmitryme | right now the main idea is to use Marconi for messaging | 16:46 |
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| dmitryme | unlike other MQ solutions Marconi has multi-tenancy by design | 16:47 |
| dmitryme | multy-tenancy in terms of OpenStack | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | the key question at hand is: Does Solum have a need for a guest agent? | 16:47 |
| paulczar | I have concerns about running an agent | 16:47 |
| dmitryme | adrian_otto: regarding backdoor, one of the ideas was to permit agent to issue only a limited set of commands | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni | dmitryme: what do you need from Solum? specific use-cases? if so, what are the ways for solum folks to contribute these? add to the wiki page/send them to you? is there a working group that meets regularly on this? | 16:48 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: Not right now, I think we should rediscuss it when we need it | 16:48 |
| datsun180b | i think the need for an agent depends a lot upon what's running on the instance | 16:48 |
| paulczar | it's a bit unusual for the 'application container' concept where you're running a single command in a container rather than a whole OS and its ecosystems | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | we have avoided that approach so far, preferring re-deployment of containers as an alternative to making changes within the guest. | 16:48 |
| dmitryme | I had a conversation with Angus yesterday | 16:48 |
| dmitryme | he spoke of one of the possible use cases | 16:48 |
| datsun180b | and so long as we're focused on stateless services chances i'm not sure about such a need | 16:48 |
| dmitryme | let me cite him | 16:49 |
| dmitryme | "it might make sense for and app developer to expose some operational commands via the guest, like backup/enable debug" | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | we might use a ceilometer guest to get operational metrics out. | 16:49 |
| dmitryme | right now I would like to hear from potential consumers, like Solum, if overall design of RPC over Marconi makes sense for you | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | dmitryme: that's true, that is a valid use case | 16:50 |
| dmitryme | my further thinking is to build that RPC on oslo.messaging by implementing Marconi driver for it | 16:51 |
| paulczar | backup suggests stateful application, enable debug would be a change env_variable DEBUG=true, redeploy | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | dmitryme: do you have additional details about that design for us to consider? | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | paulczar: we may have containers that end up using cinder volumes for stateful apps | 16:51 |
| dmitryme | adrian_otto: probably it is a set of operations you would expect from the agent | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | that's not our fist wave of use cases, but we should get there | 16:52 |
| paulczar | adrian_otto: I would suggest we use cinder tooling to provide backups for that use case | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | paulczar: I am not suggesting that an agent be offered by default | 16:52 |
| paulczar | my preferred approach is that we avoid agent until we hit a use case that absolutely needs it | 16:53 |
| dmitryme | say, messaging provides 'cast' (fire and forget) and 'call' (these return result) operations | 16:53 |
| noorul | +1 | 16:53 |
| tomblank | paulczar: +1 | 16:53 |
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| julienvey | paulczar: +1 | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | but I can contemplate integration between components with operations that want to interact with a process int he container. | 16:53 |
| dmitryme | paulczar: makes sense to me as well | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | dmitryme: let's pause for a poll | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | who would like to revisit guest agents as an option for future consideration? | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | I will vote for that | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | +1 | 16:54 |
| datsun180b | ++ future | 16:54 |
| paulczar | adrian_otto: also if we use LXC or docker then we get opportunities to run things in the container using LXC commands to shell into the container | 16:54 |
| noorul | on need basis +1 | 16:54 |
| muralia | +future. | 16:54 |
| paulczar | +1 | 16:54 |
| gokrokve | +future | 16:54 |
| rajdeep | +1 if needed revisit | 16:54 |
| devkulkarni | yes, we can discuss it when we really need it | 16:54 |
| tomblank | +1 future when we have clear use case(s) | 16:55 |
| aratim | +1 future | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any alternate viewpoints to consider prior to tabling the issue? | 16:55 |
| dmitryme | paulczar: did you consider to run Windows apps? It is my understanding that you can not do that with LXC | 16:55 |
| paulczar | dmitryme: that's also a 'future' discussion | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | dmitryme: the guest agent is designed for Windows too? | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | the wiki did not mention that. | 16:56 |
| dmitryme | paulczar: right, I guess you guys are in the beginning | 16:56 |
| paulczar | unless somebody has enough interest in windows to start working on windows integration | 16:56 |
| dmitryme | adrian_otto: if it is a python app, then why not? | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | it does not indicate taht it's a python app either | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | I assumed it would be a C++ thing | 16:57 |
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| dmitryme | adrian_otto: the platform is not fixed | 16:57 |
| dmitryme | you can write oslo.messaging agent on any language | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | dmitryme: thanks for including us in the requirements gathering. We will think on this, and reach out to you if we have further guidance. | 16:58 |
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| dmitryme | adrian_otto: sure, thank you for your attention | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | we can also talk about it in Atlanta | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:58 |
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| noorul | Any summary of outcome in Summit? | 16:59 |
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| julienvey | Angus opened a review for a new version of the API, more 'build-centric', it would be good to have others point of view https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84434/ | 16:59 |
| dmitryme | regarding Atlanta, I will am not going there, but I will ask my colleague Ruslan Kamaldinov to talk with people about design and use cases | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | dmitryme: ok | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: let's follow up in #solum | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks ewveryone | 17:01 |
| adrian_otto | everyone | 17:01 |
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| tomblank | thanks adrian | 17:01 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 17:01:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-01-16.05.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-01-16.05.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-01-16.05.log.html | 17:01 |
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| dmitryme | thank you guys | 17:01 |
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| ruhe | all right. time for Murano | 17:01 |
| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 17:01:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| Katyafervent2 | hi guys | 17:02 |
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| ruhe | guys, if you're here, please let us know | 17:02 |
| stanlagun | hi | 17:02 |
| dmitryme | me here :-) | 17:02 |
| dmitryme | hello | 17:02 |
| sjmc7 | hi. i'll be lurking | 17:02 |
| gokrokve | hi | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | oh, great, new people :) | 17:03 |
| ruhe | ok. here is our agenda: | 17:03 |
| joel_c | . | 17:03 |
| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:03 |
| ruhe | #topic AI review | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AI review (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:03 | |
| ruhe | there was only one AI on me - to create BP for cloud-init deployable agent. and i did it 5 minutes before the meeting | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/cloud-init-deployable-agent | 17:04 |
| ruhe | let's move to the next topic | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | #topic API status | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API status (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:04 | |
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| ruhe | Katyafervent2: your turn | 17:04 |
| gokrokve | Does it mean that we don't need to have a prebacked image for Murano? | 17:04 |
| Katyafervent2 | ok | 17:04 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: let's stick to the agenda and discuss agents later. ok? | 17:05 |
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| gokrokve | ok | 17:05 |
| Katyafervent2 | 1/2 of API is implemended | 17:05 |
| tsufiev_ | hi | 17:05 |
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| ruhe | Katyafervent2: what's left? | 17:05 |
| dteselkin | Hi | 17:05 |
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| Katyafervent2 | now update and get method are conmited and upliad on review | 17:05 |
| Katyafervent2 | *upload | 17:06 |
| Katyafervent2 | delete method and all other get method such ad downloading file package or ui definition | 17:06 |
| Katyafervent2 | it' s easy just need to set correct cobtent types | 17:07 |
| Katyafervent2 | witch is not so easy as in flask :) | 17:07 |
| ruhe | Katyafervent2: do you need any help from someone else? Maybe you can outsource some easy parts to gokrokve? :) | 17:07 |
| Katyafervent2 | I hope to the end of the week we will have all calls in master | 17:08 |
| tsufiev_ | ruhe: you could review those commits, it would very helpful :) | 17:08 |
| Katyafervent2 | I have everything in stash already so I'll finish it | 17:08 |
| ruhe | cool | 17:09 |
| Katyafervent2 | I'll let yoy know if I have questions | 17:09 |
| ruhe | anything else? | 17:09 |
| ruhe | to discuss | 17:09 |
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| Katyafervent2 | did I make that topic clear?) | 17:09 |
| ruhe | Katyafervent2: you did | 17:09 |
| Katyafervent2 | ok, move on then | 17:10 |
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| ruhe | #info API implementation status is 50%. Expected to be finished by the end of this week. Reviews are very welcome | 17:10 |
| ruhe | #topic Engine status | 17:10 |
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| tsufiev_ | ruhe: i missed the beginning, have you already discussed new package import? | 17:10 |
| tsufiev_ | as part of db initialization | 17:10 |
| ruhe | tsufiev_: not yet | 17:10 |
| ruhe | let's do it as part of this topic | 17:11 |
| tsufiev_ | ok :) | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe we have almost finished work on Engine, I have small changeset on review with improvements in serialization, and now working on testing framework for MuranoPL | 17:11 |
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| ruhe | great | 17:12 |
| ruhe | do you have an agreement with stanlagun on testing framework? | 17:12 |
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| sergmelikyan | But we have one important feature missing: Advanced Networking, without it we will have regression in list of features in comparison with previous release. I expect to finish till friday with Advanced Networking | 17:12 |
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| sergmelikyan | ruhe, yep | 17:13 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: can you give us some overview of proposed testing framework for MuranoPL. that's an intersting topic | 17:13 |
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| sergmelikyan | ruhe we plan to have ability to cover MuranoPL with tests written on MuranoPL itself | 17:14 |
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| sergmelikyan | Main idea behind it simular to tests in different languages that can help to verify language functionality and compatibility of different implementations | 17:15 |
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| ruhe | any more questions or updates about MuranoPL and Murano engine status? | 17:16 |
| ruhe | if not, let's discuss package import | 17:16 |
| sergmelikyan | This will help us control implementation of MuranoPL, helping to prevent regressions. In previous language (XML Based) that was undoable | 17:17 |
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| sergmelikyan | ruhe can you update us on packages import topic? | 17:18 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: me thinks that testing DSL by writing tests in DSL language is awesome :) | 17:19 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: ok. packages | 17:19 |
| tsufiev_ | considering package import: we have already package parser implemented in murano-api, what's left to do is add manage command for that and make packages themselves | 17:19 |
| ruhe | right | 17:19 |
| tsufiev_ | i think, that second is the harder part | 17:19 |
| ruhe | we have package object in DB, we have package parser, which reads packages from disk | 17:19 |
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| ruhe | now, as part of Murano installation, we need to push base library classes to the DB within a single library package | 17:20 |
| ruhe | we discussed that with sergmelikyan and stanlagun a little bit | 17:20 |
| ruhe | and here is the idea: | 17:21 |
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| igormarnat_ | ruhe: speaking of testing DSL by means of DSL, it's fine. There are C compilers written in C, right? :) | 17:21 |
| ruhe | 1. ship base MuranoPL classes with murano-api tarball | 17:21 |
| tsufiev_ | could someone clarify for me: will the base (library) classes reside in the filesystem or in the db? | 17:21 |
| stanlagun | db | 17:21 |
| ruhe | 2. Initialize DB with tables using murano-manage dbsync | 17:21 |
| ruhe | tsufiev_: i'm doing it right now :) | 17:22 |
| ruhe | 3. pack base library classes in a Murano package | 17:22 |
| tsufiev_ | ruhe: oh, i see | 17:22 |
| ruhe | 4. call murano-mange import-package $PATH_TO_PACKAGE | 17:23 |
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| ruhe | 5. murano-manage import-package will read the package and import it into the database | 17:23 |
| ruhe | that's all | 17:24 |
| ruhe | it doesn't look very nice, but we didn't find any other path to push base classes into DB | 17:24 |
| sergmelikyan | As Engine status topic we have another area that we not yet covered - new class loader for Engine that works with Repository and packages | 17:25 |
| ruhe | tsufiev_: what do you think? | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe did you have time to play with ideas? | 17:25 |
| tsufiev_ | ruhe: ok, now it's almost clear | 17:25 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: no i din't yet. but i understand that i have to have something working this week. otherwise go for your help :) | 17:26 |
| tsufiev_ | almost = afair, there are 2 types of packages: Applications and Library - are they treated the same way during import? | 17:26 |
| ruhe | tsufiev_: i don't see any difference. Katyafervent2, sergmelikyan, stanlagun do you see any difference? | 17:27 |
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| sergmelikyan | tsufiev_, should be so | 17:27 |
| Katyafervent2 | yes | 17:27 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, there is no difference from import point of view, AFAIK | 17:27 |
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| ruhe | Katyafervent2: tell us then. where do you see the difference? | 17:28 |
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| tsufiev_ | the only difference between these 2 types known to me is that Library don't have related UI definitions | 17:29 |
| tsufiev_ | and Logo | 17:29 |
| Katyafervent2 | yes was for "no difference" | 17:29 |
| ruhe | Katyafervent2: ok :) | 17:29 |
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| sergmelikyan | tsufiev_, but this does not matter for importing ) | 17:29 |
| ruhe | should we continue discussion on "package imports" or continue to the next topic? | 17:30 |
| tsufiev_ | sergmelikyan: ok, it seems so | 17:30 |
| Katyafervent2 | tsufiev_, you are right | 17:30 |
| stanlagun | difference is that one has application inside and other doesn't have | 17:30 |
| stanlagun | like exe and dll in Windows | 17:30 |
| ruhe | stanlagun: should we run anti-virus software to make sure that our packages aren't infected? ;) | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | :D There is no executable code in our packages )) | 17:32 |
| stanlagun | :) packages are going to be signed to prevent this btw | 17:32 |
| ruhe | ok | 17:32 |
| ruhe | let's move to the next topic | 17:32 |
| stanlagun | MuranoPL is executable | 17:32 |
| ruhe | let me just put a fancy status item | 17:32 |
| ruhe | #agreed to import packages the way ruhe said | 17:32 |
| sergmelikyan | :) | 17:32 |
| ruhe | #topic Release status | 17:32 |
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| Katyafervent2 | :) | 17:32 |
| ruhe | we already covered most of the server side parts | 17:33 |
| ruhe | but we didn't cover the most important user-facing one - dashboard | 17:33 |
| ruhe | tsufiev_: your turn | 17:33 |
| tsufiev_ | UI <-> murano-api integration is going on | 17:34 |
| tsufiev_ | I hope to finish it till this Friday | 17:35 |
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| gokrokve | Steve will finish the CSS part this week. | 17:35 |
| ruhe | tsufiev_: we also need to update python-muranoclient. are you working on that, do you plan to? | 17:36 |
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| tsufiev_ | ruhe: yes, I do | 17:36 |
| ruhe | tsufiev_: great | 17:36 |
| tsufiev_ | also we had to implement Stats&Billing page | 17:36 |
| Katyafervent2 | do we have blueprint for that? | 17:37 |
| ruhe | Katyafervent2: there is generic BP - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/app-catalog-billing | 17:37 |
| tsufiev_ | as stanlagun said, UI for that feature should be very simple | 17:38 |
| tsufiev_ | so I've estimated it in 1 day of work | 17:38 |
| ruhe | we also have 2 high-priority BPs in "Not Started" state: | 17:38 |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/app-total-uptime | 17:38 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev_, roughly another field on service details pacge | 17:39 |
| sergmelikyan | *page | 17:39 |
| ruhe | stanlagun: do you have any updates on this BP? do you think it can be finished in this release cycle? | 17:39 |
| stanlagun | yes. I'm going to submit implementation for review today | 17:39 |
| stanlagun | it is not very difficult but requires some support from workflows | 17:39 |
| ruhe | stanlagun: you have about 2 hours :) | 17:39 |
| ruhe | anyway, that sound promising | 17:40 |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/service-defitions-migrate-to-apps-ui | 17:40 |
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| ruhe | tsufiev_: what about this one? ^ | 17:40 |
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| tsufiev_ | this should be also simple - it is mostly about removing some existing buttons & Actions from 'Service Definitins' panel and renaming it | 17:41 |
| Katyafervent2 | I quess it is working on prototype | 17:41 |
| tsufiev_ | + adding several wrappers to python-muranoclient | 17:41 |
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| tsufiev_ | Katyafervent2: what prototype do you mean? | 17:41 |
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| Katyafervent2 | fake applications | 17:42 |
| Katyafervent2 | It's already commited | 17:42 |
| Katyafervent2 | I mean you can browse it snd add new) | 17:42 |
| tsufiev_ | imho, the last blueprint is about the Admin part of AppCatalog, it currently employs murano-repository & murano-metadataclient | 17:43 |
| Katyafervent2 | so its app-ui | 17:43 |
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| ruhe | great. so it seems like we still can fit all the planned BPs in this release (0.5) | 17:44 |
| Katyafervent2 | ok, naming does not say so) | 17:44 |
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| tsufiev_ | once I rewrite it to use murano-api & python-muranoclient, the obsolete dependencies can be safely thrown away from dashboard's requirements | 17:44 |
| Katyafervent2 | what about class loader? will Alex finish it? | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | Katyafervent2, ruhe is working on class loader | 17:45 |
| sergmelikyan | And I am backing him up :D Alex is on vacation almost till the end of the april | 17:46 |
| Katyafervent2 | sergmelikyan, ok. I missed it | 17:46 |
| * ruhe finally has some real work to do :) | 17:46 | |
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| ruhe | ok. let's move to the next topic then | 17:46 |
| * sergmelikyan remembered clip from Britny about work :D | 17:46 | |
| ruhe | #topic Community work group status | 17:47 |
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| ruhe | so the idea was to create a dedicated focused group to think on how we can describe applications in the OpenStack cloud | 17:47 |
| ruhe | from Murano we have two volunteers: me and stanlagun | 17:48 |
| Katyafervent2 | we should start our day by saying Hi in IRC | 17:48 |
| ruhe | from Solum we have Adrian Otto | 17:48 |
| sergmelikyan | Katyafervent2, definitely :) | 17:48 |
| ruhe | Katyafervent2: i couldn't disagree with you :) | 17:48 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, did you talked with Zane? | 17:49 |
| ruhe | now we need to find "volunteers" from the Heat team | 17:49 |
| ruhe | i didn't yet speak with them in IRC. i wanted to give them time to respond on my email | 17:49 |
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| ruhe | but i think it's time to go to #heat and speak with the Heat core team | 17:49 |
| ruhe | i'll do it today | 17:50 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: you're in both Solum and Murano, i guess you should participate in that group too | 17:50 |
| gokrokve | Ok. I will if it is necessary | 17:51 |
| Katyafervent2 | Should sonebody join you there?) | 17:51 |
| sergmelikyan | We should consider opportunity to meet in Atlanta (members of the group) | 17:51 |
| Katyafervent2 | *somebody | 17:51 |
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| ruhe | for those not familiar with the topic: | 17:51 |
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| ruhe | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg20522.html | 17:51 |
| sergmelikyan | Ruhe are you going to the summit? | 17:52 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: i guess so | 17:52 |
| * sergmelikyan almost sure that Adrian and Zane definitely will be there | 17:52 | |
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| sergmelikyan | ruhe, cool! We should consider in what format we can meet with them | 17:53 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: yes. i guess the will. but i'd like to have a healthy and focused discussion before the simmit | 17:53 |
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| ruhe | since people are very busy during the summit time | 17:53 |
| ruhe | regarding format - i offered all the available communication tools: google hangouts, IRC meetings, ML | 17:54 |
| ruhe | and if somebody is willing to join that group please let us know in that ML thread | 17:54 |
| Katyafervent2 | will in summit final dicision be made? | 17:54 |
| ruhe | Katyafervent2: no one can tell | 17:55 |
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| Katyafervent2 | We need to discuss everything before, right? | 17:55 |
| ruhe | we need to have common understanding of things before the summit | 17:55 |
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| sergmelikyan | Let's move to the next topic? | 17:57 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: yes | 17:57 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: had questions about guest agent | 17:57 |
| ruhe | #topic guest agent installable from cloud-init | 17:57 |
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| ruhe | gokrokve: answering your question - we will not need to build images if we install guest agent from cloud-init | 17:58 |
| gokrokve | cool | 17:58 |
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| sergmelikyan | ruhe and we can support installing guest-agent even on windows with cloud-init, so no prebuilt images at all | 17:58 |
| gokrokve | But still we will nee to tag them to distinguish windows and linux. | 17:59 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, this question may be interesting for you to | 17:59 |
| dmitryme | ruhe: but installing an agent takes some time, right? | 17:59 |
| sergmelikyan | gokrokve, yes | 17:59 |
| sjmc7 | sergmelikyan - yep, am making a note | 17:59 |
| dmitryme | I mean you pay time for simplicity | 17:59 |
| ruhe | dmitryme: it does. one of the possible solutions is to keep package mirror close to provisioned VMs | 17:59 |
| gokrokve | Will this feature require internet access? | 17:59 |
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| gokrokve | Or you are going to embed agent directly to the user data? | 18:00 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: in case if we have local mirrors - no, it will not require internet access | 18:00 |
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| ruhe | gokrokve: we'll need to desing this feature | 18:00 |
| gokrokve | It should be documented. | 18:00 |
| ruhe | at this moment it's just an idea | 18:00 |
| sergmelikyan | we plan to have image-builder job for linux images, in case of someone need image with agent baked in, but also will have opportunity to work with any image with cloud-init installed | 18:00 |
| ruhe | folks, we ran out of time | 18:01 |
| gokrokve | How agent will be distributed? RPM\deb package? | 18:01 |
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| ruhe | let's move to #murano | 18:01 |
| ruhe | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 18:01:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-01-17.01.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-01-17.01.txt | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-01-17.01.log.html | 18:01 |
| sergmelikyan | And for windows we have automation scripts, but for obvious reasons don't have any prebuilt images | 18:01 |
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| matty_dubs | \o | 19:01 |
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| tzumainn | hiya | 19:01 |
| tchaypo | O_o | 19:02 |
| matty_dubs | \o\ | 19:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:02 |
| jprovazn | hi | 19:02 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: ? | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | I will start the meeting in 2 minutes if lifeless does not appear | 19:04 |
| matty_dubs | Did the rest of the world switch to DST/Summer time? Was the meeting an hour ago? | 19:04 |
| jcoufal | \o\ | 19:04 |
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| tchaypo | I think the UK has switched, but the meeting time is in UTC and that doesn't change | 19:05 |
| jistr | matty_dubs: yes, no :P | 19:05 |
| devananda | o/ | 19:05 |
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| jdob | i'm just as lost, no worries | 19:07 |
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| jcoufal | tzumainn already learned that, he can teach you | 19:07 |
| Ng | the UK has switched, which means I can attend the meetings again \o/ | 19:07 |
| tzumainn | jcoufal, usually I just close my eyes and by the time I wake up something exciting has happened | 19:07 |
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| jcoufal | matty_dubs: you see? here is the hint ^^ | 19:08 |
| matty_dubs | tzumainn: Not all of us fall asleep in meetings, bars, restaurants, and rock-climbing centers. | 19:09 |
| jcoufal | ... just everyhwere | 19:09 |
| tzumainn | matty_dubs, you mean not all of you have the skills to do so | 19:09 |
| lsmola | lol | 19:09 |
| jomara | \00\ | 19:10 |
| matty_dubs | \./ | 19:10 |
| matty_dubs | ^ pea-head | 19:10 |
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| jomara | \ppppppppppp\ | 19:10 |
| jcoufal | SpamapS: please, start the meeting | 19:10 |
| jcoufal | :D | 19:10 |
| jomara | ^p-head | 19:10 |
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| jcoufal | matty_dubs is loosing it | 19:11 |
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| tchaypo | SpamapS: *poke* | 19:15 |
| jomara | \hhhhh/ <- hydra ? | 19:16 |
| rpodolyaka1 | we desperately need chairman ha :) | 19:16 |
| derekh | I'll give it a go, no point in sitting here doing nothing | 19:18 |
| derekh | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:18 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 1 19:18:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is derekh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:18 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:18 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:18 |
| bnemec | \o/ | 19:18 |
| derekh | basing this on last weeks meeting and havn't done this before give me some slack | 19:18 |
| jrist | o/ | 19:18 |
| derekh | #topic agenda | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:19 | |
| derekh | bugs | 19:19 |
| derekh | reviews | 19:19 |
| derekh | Projects needing releases | 19:19 |
| derekh | CD Cloud status | 19:19 |
| derekh | CI | 19:19 |
| derekh | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:19 |
| derekh | #topic bugs | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:19 | |
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| derekh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:20 |
| derekh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:20 |
| derekh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:20 |
| derekh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:20 |
| derekh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:20 |
| derekh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:20 |
| derekh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:20 |
| derekh | lets go down through criticals | 19:20 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: thanks | 19:20 |
| derekh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1270646 | 19:20 |
| derekh | anybody working on this? | 19:21 |
| derekh | lifeless: your here wanna take over ? | 19:21 |
| slagle | yea, i'm "working" on that | 19:21 |
| slagle | i proposed some fixes, i feel they address the bug | 19:21 |
| lifeless | derekh: nope | 19:21 |
| lifeless | derekh: slept through my alarm, got to make breakfast for C etc | 19:21 |
| slagle | the neutron bug is unassigned though | 19:22 |
| lifeless | is CI back up ? | 19:22 |
| jomara | make && make install cheerios ? | 19:22 |
| lifeless | jomara: :) | 19:22 |
| derekh | slagle: ok, cool review time so | 19:22 |
| bnemec | This is Python: pip install cheerios :-P | 19:22 |
| derekh | next https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1272803 | 19:22 |
| jomara | lifeless: i prefer the "precompiled" variety | 19:22 |
| derekh | lifeless: nearly see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cloud-outage | 19:22 |
| marios | so i guess no tripleo meet today | 19:23 |
| marios | oops.hi should have scrolled down | 19:23 |
| derekh | I'm working on this one, no progress kind of waiting on dprince's fix to ensure bridge to land first | 19:23 |
| derekh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1272969 | 19:23 |
| tchaypo | marios: welcome ;) | 19:23 |
| marios | tchaypo: tx :) | 19:23 |
| slagle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1300663 | 19:24 |
| slagle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1290490 | 19:24 |
| slagle | unassigned criticals ^^ | 19:24 |
| derekh | slagle: thanks, any takers? | 19:24 |
| derekh | dprince: and Ng both were looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1300663 I beleive there is a patch push up | 19:25 |
| Ng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84466/ | 19:25 |
| slagle | i believe https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1290490 could be bumped down to High | 19:26 |
| Ng | is the simple fix with no refactoring to make dhcp-all-interfaces less bonkers | 19:26 |
| derekh | Ng: will take a proper look at it tomorrow | 19:26 |
| bnemec | slagle: Agreed | 19:26 |
| derekh | Ng: but looked sane when I looked earlier | 19:26 |
| Ng | derekh: np. it's literally just adding $INTERFACE to stop dhcp-all-interfaces going crazy :) | 19:26 |
| derekh | slagle: agreed, *changed to high* | 19:27 |
| slagle | yea, i left a comment too and switched to incomplete | 19:27 |
| slagle | we're awaiting submitter feedback :) | 19:27 |
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| derekh | slagle: ok | 19:28 |
| derekh | we got another critical in o-c-c https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config/+bug/1299110 | 19:28 |
| derekh | fix propose needs review | 19:29 |
| derekh | *proposed | 19:29 |
| derekh | moving on | 19:29 |
| slagle | i see no other untriaged or unassigned crit bugs | 19:29 |
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| derekh | slagle: cool | 19:29 |
| greghaynes | Seems like untriaged bot is working :) | 19:29 |
| derekh | #topic reviews | 19:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:29 | |
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| derekh | greghaynes: yup, it does | 19:30 |
| derekh | how are we on reviews this week? | 19:30 |
| derekh | my quick glance show that the review queue is longer then last week so commitments to do more reviews doesn't seem to have helped much | 19:31 |
| derekh | lifeless: was also going to send out a mail to maybe increase the number of reviewers | 19:31 |
| lifeless | possibly still more inputs ? | 19:31 |
| lifeless | yes! I am. | 19:31 |
| jistr | derekh++ | 19:32 |
| lifeless | cores anyhow | 19:32 |
| derekh | lifeless: yup, cores sorry | 19:32 |
| slagle | we have improved some from last week | 19:32 |
| slagle | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:32 |
| slagle | Average wait time: 3 days, 19 hours, 59 minutes | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | Have we fixed the untriaged nagbot to only nag about untriaged and not incomplete? | 19:32 |
| slagle | that was 5 days last week | 19:32 |
| lifeless | slagle: +1 | 19:32 |
| derekh | so lets keep the commitments up and wait for mail from lifeless | 19:32 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 4 days, 20 hours, 50 minutes | 19:33 |
| derekh | slagle: sounds good | 19:33 |
| rpodolyaka1 | tchaypo: it should not nag incomplete, unless the bug submitter has responded | 19:33 |
| derekh | any other suggestions on reviews, things seem to be improving so lets keep it up :-) | 19:33 |
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| tchaypo | rpodolyaka1: ah, maybe that's what it was doing and we all just tuned them out because we saw them as not untriaged | 19:34 |
| derekh | ok, moving on | 19:34 |
| derekh | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:34 | |
| rpodolyaka1 | I'm still up for this, no problems | 19:35 |
| slagle | i'd like to volunteer for releases this week | 19:35 |
| tchaypo | I added a link to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO asserting that we follow the standard tripleo reviewchecklist | 19:35 |
| rpodolyaka1 | slagle: go ahead :) | 19:35 |
| slagle | and create the stable branches for tripleo-* as well during the release process | 19:35 |
| slagle | rpodolyaka1: your wiki page has been helpful to get up to speed on the process :) | 19:35 |
| tchaypo | I don't know if that's actually the case but it looked like a useful link so I thought I'd just do it and wait for people to get upset if it's wrong | 19:35 |
| derekh | #action slagle to release projects | 19:35 |
| slagle | i will need lifeless to add me to the tripleo-ptl group in gerrit though | 19:35 |
| rpodolyaka1 | slagle: cool! | 19:36 |
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| derekh | lifeless: is that something you can do? | 19:36 |
| lifeless | hi yes! | 19:36 |
| tchaypo | speaking of links on wiki pages though - maybe rpodolyaka1's page could be linked from the TripleO page as well? | 19:37 |
| lifeless | slagle: have you got fully up to speed (-infra /really/ don't like mistakes in the releasing of things ) | 19:37 |
| rpodolyaka1 | tchaypo: good point! | 19:37 |
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| derekh | tchaypo: sounds like a good suggestion | 19:37 |
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| slagle | lifeless: i've read the wiki page and understand the steps | 19:38 |
| tchaypo | I'd add the link myself, if i knew where it should point ;) | 19:38 |
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| lifeless | adding you | 19:38 |
| slagle | lifeless: beyond that, i guess i don't know what i don't know | 19:38 |
| derekh | rpodolyaka1: can you point tchaypo at the link please | 19:38 |
| lifeless | slagle: done | 19:38 |
| rpodolyaka1 | tchaypo: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/ReleaseManagement | 19:39 |
| tchaypo | thanks | 19:39 |
| derekh | lifeless: slagle ok sounds like ye can progress on that outside of meeting | 19:39 |
| derekh | moving on | 19:40 |
| slagle | yea, i'll ask if anything is not clear | 19:40 |
| slagle | i do not want any -infra wrath :) | 19:40 |
| derekh | #topic CI cloud status | 19:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:40 | |
| derekh | so hardware failure over the weekend | 19:40 |
| derekh | ci-overcloud was redeployed and we've been dealing with issues ever since | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | sorry .. meatspace issues | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 19:41 |
| derekh | ci was up last night for a bit but the init process quickly hit its limit of file descriptors | 19:41 |
| derekh | the fix for that is in dhcp-all-interfaces | 19:42 |
| derekh | current status is | 19:42 |
| derekh | its still down but we made progress in the last few hours, zuul is now running jobs but they will fail becase we need a new geard broker | 19:42 |
| derekh | what we tried and current status is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cloud-outage | 19:43 |
| tchaypo | slagle: i updated the wording about stable branches as well, I'm hoping you agree with the wording (although it probably needs to change very soon, once we actually have the stable branches) | 19:43 |
| derekh | anything else? questions ? | 19:43 |
| slagle | tchaypo: ok, will check that out | 19:43 |
| derekh | What I have put int he few lines below "Apparent Solution : neutron floatingip-delete" is what I think needs ot happen next | 19:44 |
| lifeless | derekh: nova thinkgs only 2 hypervisors are up | 19:44 |
| tchaypo | derekh: no question, just a note that once things calm down I want to start getting access to and familiar with the CI infra so i can take some of the load next time this happens | 19:44 |
| lifeless | derekh: I'm trying to reconcile that with your status update | 19:44 |
| derekh | lifeless: the others still need the dhcp-all-interfaces update | 19:44 |
| lifeless | derekh: ah! where is it | 19:44 |
| derekh | we were manually poking at compute 4 5 and 6 | 19:45 |
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| derekh | lifeless: manually change the dhcp-all-interfaces.conf upstart config to say | 19:46 |
| derekh | exec /usr/local/sbin/dhcp-all-interfaces.sh $INTERFACE | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: cool, we're always looking for more admins - basically when you feel you know enough of the setup (by asking, following along, reviewing) submit yourself to the team | 19:46 |
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| derekh | lifeless: its not the long term fix but seems to be good enough to get us going again | 19:46 |
| derekh | lifeless: sound ok to you? | 19:48 |
| lifeless | oh wow | 19:48 |
| lifeless | thats a big thinko isn't it | 19:48 |
| lifeless | novacompute4 has no dhcp-all-interfaces job ? | 19:49 |
| lifeless | derekh: ok so recovery is- roll that out to all the nodes | 19:49 |
| lifeless | derekh: rebuild te broker ? | 19:49 |
| lifeless | derekh: profit ? | 19:49 |
| derekh | lifeless: yup, thats the plan | 19:49 |
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| derekh | lifeless: I gotta run after this meeting so can you take over? | 19:49 |
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| derekh | at least that my plan | 19:50 |
| derekh | ok moving on again | 19:50 |
| derekh | #topic CI | 19:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:50 | |
| derekh | ok, so when the cloud is up the jobs them selves seem to be mostly stable | 19:51 |
| derekh | I've been keeping an eye on them | 19:51 |
| derekh | sometime we get fails, we need to chase those down | 19:51 |
| derekh | and we also get broke by other projects | 19:52 |
| slagle | agreed, we were humming along nicely there for a while | 19:52 |
| derekh | we were broken last week by changes in swift and then neutron (although the neutron thing could arguably be our fault) | 19:52 |
| SpamapS | Sure there are definitely things that are our fault, but that we find out after they've landed. | 19:53 |
| notmyname | derekh: ? | 19:53 |
| lifeless | derekh: I can and wkll | 19:53 |
| SpamapS | Let's just stay focused, and keep treating our jobs as a gate. | 19:53 |
| derekh | SpamapS: yup, good suggestion | 19:53 |
| notmyname | derekh: please let me know (maybe after the meeting) how changes in swift has broken things for you. first I've heard of it | 19:53 |
| derekh | notmyname: lifeless sent a mail to the list | 19:53 |
| SpamapS | We'll have HA soon, and thus ci-overcloud will be less firedrill prone. | 19:54 |
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| derekh | notmyname: will dig details up for you after | 19:54 |
| notmyname | derekh: thanks | 19:54 |
| derekh | SpamapS: sounds good | 19:54 |
| derekh | any other CI observations ? | 19:54 |
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| derekh | notmyname: a swift change made chages to permisions on the ring files, here was our fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83645/ | 19:55 |
| slagle | tuskar folks: i'm assuming you want stable icehouse branches as well? | 19:56 |
| derekh | in general if people could keep an eye on http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/tripleo-jobs.html if you see 4 or 5 jobs fail in a row we have a problem | 19:56 |
| derekh | time is short so | 19:57 |
| derekh | #topic open discussion | 19:57 |
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| slagle | tuskar folks: i'm assuming you want stable icehouse branches as well? | 19:57 |
| derekh | anything people want to talk about for 3 minutes ? | 19:57 |
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| tchaypo | favorite cat pictures of the week? | 19:58 |
| jcoufal | slagle: I'd say so | 19:58 |
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| jdob | slagle: lsmola and jistr would know best, but I think so | 19:58 |
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| notmyname | derekh: thanks. we should talk after | 19:58 |
| lsmola | slagle, not sure, we kind of rely on some new heat features e.g. | 19:58 |
| ccrouch | i know jprovazn: had questions about next steps for HA | 19:58 |
| matty_dubs | tchaypo: What about favorite doge pics? http://www.mst.edu/ | 19:58 |
| slagle | lsmola: right, but those features will be in heat icehouse right? | 19:58 |
| * ccrouch nudges jprovazn | 19:58 | |
| jdob | i thought heat was done with features for icehouse | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | next steps for HA is to have Heat inform nodes when they're about to be rebooted or deleted. | 19:59 |
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| jprovazn | yes, but probably on #tripleo channel after the meeting | 19:59 |
| derekh | notmyname: I gotta run quick after this but can pick up on it tomorrow no problem | 19:59 |
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| SpamapS | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81666/ will need to land | 19:59 |
| lsmola | slagle, most of them in Juno I hope | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | which will move us to using software config/deployment from Heat | 19:59 |
| derekh | notmyname: or lifeless can fill you in | 19:59 |
| slagle | lsmola: i see, let's continue in #tripleo | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | then we have to write a resource plugin which will create a deployment just to tell the server that it is being rebuilt or deleted | 19:59 |
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| derekh | SpamapS: I've been meaning to review that, willdo tomorrow assuming overcloud is running | 20:00 |
| ccrouch | SpamapS: any more element stuff urgently required? now we have mysql/rabbitmq/keepalived | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | It is blocked by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83614/ | 20:00 |
| derekh | ok times up, lets get HA discussion moving on #tripleo | 20:00 |
| greghaynes | the mysql isnt quite done but its in the review pipeline | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | -> #tripleo | 20:01 |
| greghaynes | yep | 20:01 |
| derekh | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 1 20:01:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-01-19.18.html | 20:01 |
| derekh | thanks all | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-01-19.18.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-01-19.18.log.html | 20:01 |
| rpodolyaka1 | thanks all, good night! | 20:01 |
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| slagle | derekh: thanks, good meeting :) | 20:01 |
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| derekh | slagle: no prob, hopfefully I didn't screw it up too much | 20:02 |
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