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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 3 00:00:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 00:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 00:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 00:00 |
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| wirehead_ | o/ | 00:00 |
| cyli | o/ | 00:00 |
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| spzala | Hi | 00:00 |
| greghaynes | O/ | 00:00 |
| * Michalik waves | 00:00 | |
| bgorski | o? | 00:00 |
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| zaneb | greetings | 00:01 |
| dingxiao | hi | 00:01 |
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| stevebaker | no actions last week | 00:02 |
| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 00:02 |
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| stevebaker | anything to add for anyone? | 00:02 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-4-02_0000_UTC.29 | 00:02 |
| stevebaker | #topic rc2 potential bugs | 00:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rc2 potential bugs (Meeting topic: heat)" | 00:04 | |
| stevebaker | RC1 is out, great job everybody! | 00:04 |
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| stevebaker | we've been tagging bugs to decide whether to open an rc2 window https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=icehouse-rc-potential | 00:04 |
| radix | o/ | 00:05 |
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| lindsayk | o/ | 00:05 |
| zaneb | has anyone tested stack abandon with nested stacks? | 00:05 |
| stevebaker | there needs to be one fix critical enough to justify an rc2, then other fixes can also be included on its coat-tails | 00:05 |
| stevebaker | possibly https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1299349 alone is enough to justify an rc2 | 00:05 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 00:06 |
| stevebaker | if you are working on a bug which you really think needs to be in rc2 then you can tag it icehouse-rc-potential | 00:06 |
| stevebaker | and if you're prioritising what to review, check out the in progress bugs in https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=icehouse-rc-potential | 00:07 |
| stevebaker | #topic python-heatclient release prep | 00:07 |
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| stevebaker | I'd like to do a release real soon now | 00:08 |
| stevebaker | there are a small collection of reviews which could make it into the release if they are reviewed soon | 00:08 |
| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-heatclient,n,z | 00:08 |
| stevebaker | possibly I could release as soon as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83487/ is in | 00:08 |
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| stevebaker | #topic heat.conf.sample generation | 00:10 |
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| stevebaker | is totally busted | 00:10 |
| * stevebaker looks for the bug | 00:10 | |
| zaneb | this should be a fun one :D | 00:10 |
| stevebaker | bug #1288586 | 00:10 |
| stevebaker | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1288586 | 00:10 |
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| stevebaker | anyone know what dhellmann means by the new entry point hook in comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1288586/comments/5 ? | 00:11 |
| zaneb | dhellmann suggested a complex workaround involving treating Heat like a library, but I couldn't get it to work | 00:11 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: yes | 00:11 |
| stevebaker | (btw, check_updtodate.sh is disabled until we fix this) | 00:12 |
| zaneb | but then I realised that the gate wasn't actually broken yet, and I could fix it by just committing the diff it asked for | 00:12 |
| zaneb | but it is properly broken now by the looks of it | 00:12 |
| stevebaker | didn't sdake propose a fix which also wrote out options in a deterministic order? | 00:13 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: order isn't really the problem, I didn't think? | 00:14 |
| zaneb | the latest oslo code certainly does it in deterministic order | 00:14 |
| stevebaker | its not the problem, its a different problem | 00:14 |
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| stevebaker | oh, ok | 00:14 |
| mattoliverau | Looks like there was a patch submitted to oslo to allow options in multiple groups, but it has been abandoned. | 00:14 |
| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78535/ | 00:15 |
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| zaneb | btw my attempt at implementing dhellmann's workaround looked like http://paste.fedoraproject.org/91147/13964840 | 00:15 |
| zaneb | mattoliverau: I've proposed a more up-to-date patch since then | 00:15 |
| zaneb | mattoliverau: but the problem is that there is no one patch that is right for both Nova and us | 00:16 |
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| mattoliverau | zaneb: lol, I should poke mikal to take a look then. | 00:16 |
| zaneb | so something else has to change before we can properly fix it | 00:16 |
| zaneb | (I submitted patches for that too, but nobody really liked them, including me) | 00:16 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: do you want to own pushing this forward? | 00:17 |
| stevebaker | maybe want is the wrong word | 00:17 |
| zaneb | definitely the wrong word | 00:18 |
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| wirehead_ | The captain needs a volunteer for the suicide mission. He picked you. | 00:18 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: do you feel an inescapable obligation to pushing this forward? ;) | 00:18 |
| zaneb | tbh I feel a bit stuck | 00:18 |
| zaneb | I proposed a patch and Oslo guys rejected it | 00:18 |
| zaneb | and haven't suggested anything better | 00:18 |
| zaneb | but I can poke them again | 00:19 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: maybe an openstack-dev post is the next step, so nova and oslo folk can weigh in | 00:19 |
| zaneb | ok, that's not a bad idea | 00:19 |
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| stevebaker | #action zaneb to post to openstack-dev to find an actionable solution to config generation | 00:20 |
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| stevebaker | Thats all I have | 00:20 |
| stevebaker | #topic Open discussion | 00:20 |
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| wirehead_ | So, I dragged Michalik here today. | 00:21 |
| Michalik | Hi! | 00:21 |
| Michalik | Greetings from SFO | 00:21 |
| zaneb | o/ | 00:21 |
| stevebaker | Michalik: hi | 00:21 |
| mattoliverau | zaneb: I don't know much more about the issue, or have experience with oslo, but if i can help in anyway, even if it's just and ear then let me know :) | 00:21 |
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| * radix is slurping soup atm... | 00:23 | |
| zaneb | mattoliverau: keep an eye on the ML I guess :) | 00:23 |
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| stevebaker | oh, we appear to be close to python3 unit tests passing on python-heatclient. That was the other reason reviews would be helpful. We may be close to making python33 job voting! | 00:25 |
| wirehead_ | Whoa. | 00:25 |
| stevebaker | oh, and feature freeze is over, so in theory juno features can land now | 00:27 |
| wirehead_ | Okay. | 00:27 |
| zaneb | I hope you've all got your Juno features ready to land ;) | 00:27 |
| stevebaker | I'm still fixing the icehouse ones! | 00:27 |
| wirehead_ | Well, I'm working on getting some people who have no Icehouse responsibilities working on Juno features. | 00:28 |
| wirehead_ | :) | 00:28 |
| stevebaker | nice | 00:28 |
| Liang | hehe, I can start pushing those lazy translation patches again ;) | 00:28 |
| stevebaker | Liang: ++ | 00:28 |
| Liang | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/tree/master/jeos | 00:28 |
| Liang | anyone used those templates recently? | 00:29 |
| stevebaker | they need to die in a fire | 00:29 |
| Liang | the U12.10-amd64-cfntools.tdl one does not seem to work for me - cloudinit isn't installed properly | 00:29 |
| Liang | stevebaker, hehe | 00:30 |
| zaneb | radix: is work on autoscaling for Juno ramping up now? | 00:30 |
| stevebaker | Liang: have you considered building your images with diskimage-builder? | 00:30 |
| Liang | stevebaker, I am making a choice between using diskimage-builder or Oz now | 00:31 |
| Liang | stevebaker, which one do you recommend? | 00:31 |
| stevebaker | Liang: I use dib exclusively | 00:31 |
| Liang | by Oz, I mean the old heat way | 00:31 |
| wirehead_ | zaneb: I had cyli and radix working on some prototyping spike work of late for autoscale. | 00:32 |
| stevebaker | Liang: it is actively tested, and help is always available in #tripleo | 00:32 |
| Michalik | zaneb - We're also finding better ways to interact with our upstream systems that will feed into native autoscale. | 00:33 |
| Liang | stevebaker, I see. Thanks. | 00:33 |
| zaneb | wirehead_: cool. I would love to see some progress on it in Juno, and I have discovered the trick to that is to start right now | 00:33 |
| wirehead_ | zaneb: agreed. We've got a session proposal for the Juno conference and we'll be there at the summit. | 00:34 |
| stevebaker | should we finish up the meeting? | 00:35 |
| zaneb | wirehead_: that's great, but by "start right now" I mean you want to be halfway done by the time of summit. that's your best chance at getting it ready in time for the release | 00:35 |
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| zaneb | big features take a long time to land | 00:35 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: by all means :) | 00:36 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 00:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 3 00:36:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-04-03-00.00.html | 00:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-04-03-00.00.txt | 00:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-04-03-00.00.log.html | 00:36 |
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| stevebaker | thanks all \o | 00:36 |
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| russellb | i lied. nova meeting in 1 hour. | 13:03 |
| russellb | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140403T140030 | 13:03 |
| ndipanov | russellb, so the meeting time changes with DST | 13:05 |
| ndipanov | russellb, that seem baaad | 13:06 |
| russellb | ndipanov: yeah, meeting time is in UTC | 13:06 |
| ndipanov | I hate DST | 13:06 |
| russellb | ndipanov: zimbra screws me, because i can't put in meetings as UTC time | 13:06 |
| russellb | so things don't move properly | 13:06 |
| russellb | and then this happens and i look stupid | 13:06 |
| ndipanov | I can't attend now... | 13:06 |
| russellb | :( | 13:08 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 3 14:01:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| russellb | hello! | 14:01 |
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| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:02 |
| bauzas | hi | 14:02 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:02 |
| mspreitz | o/ | 14:02 |
| alaski | hi | 14:02 |
| dansmith | yawn | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:02 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:02 |
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| russellb | #topic icehouse-rc | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "icehouse-rc (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 | 14:03 |
| russellb | we released RC1! \o/ | 14:03 |
| russellb | which promply brought up "but what about X?" questions :-) | 14:03 |
| russellb | promptly* | 14:03 |
| russellb | we have opened up RC2 | 14:03 |
| russellb | aiming to release ASAP, but certainly by early next week | 14:03 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-rc2 | 14:03 |
| russellb | i'd like to discuss any other bugs that you all think we should put on RC2 | 14:04 |
| russellb | dansmith: have the libvirt xen/lxc one handy? | 14:04 |
| dansmith | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1301453 | 14:04 |
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| russellb | dansmith: fix seem safe enough? | 14:05 |
| dansmith | yes | 14:05 |
| dansmith | I've been working with them on it, | 14:05 |
| dansmith | and if they don't fix it up in a couple hours, I'll just do it | 14:05 |
| russellb | OK cool | 14:05 |
| dansmith | just nits at this point | 14:05 |
| russellb | targeted to RC2 then | 14:05 |
| dansmith | cool | 14:06 |
| russellb | others to consider ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=icehouse-rc-potential | 14:06 |
| russellb | the vmware ones are still blocked on CI | 14:06 |
| russellb | the translation one is actually already on RC2 for us | 14:06 |
| russellb | so I think we're good on that list | 14:06 |
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| russellb | other than that, we should consider Fix Committed bugs ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED | 14:07 |
| russellb | i'll look over those, but if anyone else wants to, that'd be great | 14:08 |
| russellb | and let me know which ones you think are important and safe enough for a backport | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | trivial but? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1301384 | 14:08 |
| mriedem | to avoid the sky is falling when icehouse is released? | 14:09 |
| dansmith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1291805 | 14:09 |
| dansmith | I never saw which versions of libvirt that pertained to, | 14:09 |
| russellb | mriedem: that one is on RC2 already | 14:09 |
| mriedem | russellb: oh ok | 14:09 |
| dansmith | but it was trivial and might pick us up some easier support | 14:09 |
| russellb | dansmith: commit message made it sound like "Just in case at some point in the future" ... | 14:10 |
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| dansmith | oh, hmm, danpb's comment in the bug | 14:10 |
| dansmith | yeah, hmm, I wonder why that merged then | 14:10 |
| dansmith | danpb says "this can never change" | 14:10 |
| russellb | good point | 14:10 |
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| russellb | i +2d it i think | 14:10 |
| russellb | but i hadn't seen that comment | 14:10 |
| dansmith | maybe they were running a hacked up version | 14:10 |
| dansmith | okay, anyway, not for rc2, I just remember seeing the trace | 14:10 |
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| russellb | guess i just considered it reasonable enough | 14:11 |
| russellb | yeah, good thing to consider | 14:11 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1254722 shouldn't be fix committed... | 14:11 |
| russellb | stab it! | 14:12 |
| mriedem | i did | 14:12 |
| russellb | excellent | 14:12 |
| dansmith | so violent | 14:12 |
| russellb | any more questions on Icehouse / RC process for now? | 14:12 |
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| russellb | #topic blueprints | 14:13 |
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| russellb | as Icehouse winds down, Juno is picking up | 14:13 |
| russellb | master is open for Juno dev | 14:13 |
| russellb | and blueprints are flowing in rapidly | 14:14 |
| russellb | to recap, juno process is captured here: | 14:14 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Creation | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | nova-specs seems to have started doing its thing quite well | 14:14 |
| russellb | big addition is the added standardization on design spec formatting / location / review | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | template structure should be fixed now, for J-1 at least I guess? | 14:14 |
| russellb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs,n,z | 14:15 |
| russellb | ^^^ all open spec reviews | 14:15 |
| russellb | would love to see lots of participation on those | 14:15 |
| russellb | hopefully it's easier to participate in spec reviews now that we're using gerrit | 14:15 |
| russellb | so put it in your code review queries :-) | 14:15 |
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| russellb | any questions about the process? | 14:16 |
| russellb | or specs folks would like to discuss now? | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe API specs, and if we should delay review until the summit | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it feels quite a long way away | 14:17 |
| russellb | my opinion on that is it's case by case, and not much different than other things | 14:17 |
| russellb | depends on the size / scale of the impact | 14:17 |
| russellb | if it's hugely direction impacting, it makes sense to draw out the discussion, bring it to the ML, have a session on it, make sure the right decision gets made | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | so random new API, let people add them, still force v3 and v2? | 14:17 |
| russellb | if it's a more straight forward API addition, new extension or whatever, then i don't see any reason to delay | 14:17 |
| dansmith | agreed | 14:18 |
| russellb | i think policy for icehouse was force v3, allow v2 | 14:18 |
| russellb | which in practice means they'll do both | 14:18 |
| russellb | usually | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, thats what I meant, oops | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems good to me | 14:18 |
| russellb | cool | 14:18 |
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| russellb | other blueprint process thing ... we need to nail down the process around when blueprints get targeted | 14:19 |
| russellb | i don't think we have that clarified on the wiki page yet | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: +1 | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | we spoke about waiting for first patch, post approval, before targeting? | 14:20 |
| rushiagr | ls | 14:20 |
| russellb | yes, and i think that makes sense | 14:21 |
| russellb | folks are going to target things anyway | 14:21 |
| dansmith | I think we should be less specific about "first patch" | 14:21 |
| russellb | so maybe like before, "ignore unapproved / unprioritized stuff" on the lists for the most part | 14:21 |
| dansmith | and just say something like "code such that we think the proposed target is achievable" | 14:21 |
| russellb | and we don't mark it approved / prioritized until the code requirement is met? | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | yup, that makes, no approval till the target looks achievable | 14:22 |
| russellb | johnthetubaguy: want to take a stab at updating the wiki to reflect when we'll approve/set priority? | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: sure, will do | 14:23 |
| russellb | k, then make sure all nova-drivers is aware of what got written down so we're all following the same rules | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: will take your proposed phrase, that sounds good | 14:23 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: cool | 14:23 |
| russellb | +1 | 14:23 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: no charge for that one, this time | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: still a launchpad list I can mail I guess? | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: cool :) | 14:24 |
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| russellb | johnthetubaguy: yes | 14:24 |
| russellb | for now anyway | 14:24 |
| russellb | worth noting that we actually have 2 teams now, that are identical for now | 14:24 |
| russellb | we have nova-drivers on launchpad, that has blueprint management permissions | 14:24 |
| russellb | and nova-specs-core in gerrit | 14:24 |
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| russellb | should stay the same until we have a really good reason not to | 14:25 |
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| russellb | but just fyi i guess ... | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | one more question on that | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if you miss a milestone, do we re-approve, maybe thats overkill? | 14:25 |
| russellb | hmm, not the spec, i think that would be overkill | 14:26 |
| russellb | i think we just re-evaluate its "likely to make it" status | 14:26 |
| russellb | and maybe adjust priority | 14:26 |
| russellb | or un-approve, depending | 14:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh, I mean the blueprint | 14:26 |
| dansmith | I think just auto retargeting for the next milestone has shown not to work very well | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | in launchpad | 14:26 |
| russellb | if something slips from Juno to K, I think we should re-approve specs at that point | 14:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | russellb: spec definitely for release slip | 14:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, auto slip has gone badly | 14:27 |
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| russellb | so how do we improve? | 14:28 |
| russellb | is re-evaluate "likelihood to make it" on deferral good enough? | 14:28 |
| dansmith | I dunno, | 14:28 |
| russellb | gets overwhelming when we're deferring 100 things | 14:29 |
| dansmith | I hope that the list is smaller, | 14:29 |
| dansmith | so that it's easier to manage | 14:29 |
| alaski | +1 | 14:29 |
| russellb | but then again, we're drastically rate limiting "crap" via the specs review | 14:29 |
| dansmith | and we can just make more intelligent decision | 14:29 |
| dansmith | s | 14:29 |
| russellb | agree | 14:29 |
| russellb | a lot fewer blueprints should make it that far | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, makes sense | 14:29 |
| dansmith | hopefully | 14:29 |
| alaski | it seems like re-evaluating on deferral might be a good start, and then improve from there | 14:29 |
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| russellb | anything else on juno blueprints? | 14:30 |
| russellb | thanks again for everyone's work putting this process update together | 14:30 |
| russellb | i'm excited about it | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | please review: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Nova | 14:31 |
| russellb | big improvements every cycle | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | (catch me with comments after the meeting on IRC, if thats best) | 14:31 |
| russellb | might want to move some of those notes to the next section | 14:32 |
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| russellb | under "Iclusion in the release roadmap" | 14:32 |
| russellb | to help make that part stand out | 14:32 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 14:32 |
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| russellb | last thing i had was noting that PTL nominations are open | 14:33 |
| russellb | I'm not running | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: thanks will take a peek | 14:33 |
| russellb | and i just wanted to say a big thanks to those that have stepped up to run | 14:33 |
| russellb | really makes me feel good to have great leaders ready to take over | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | russellb: thanks for the, you know, leadership - i'm not good with compliments | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | level-headedness | 14:34 |
| russellb | heh, thanks :) | 14:34 |
| russellb | i'm not planning on going anywhere really | 14:34 |
| russellb | other than taking some time off | 14:34 |
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| russellb | and maybe broaden focus a little bit | 14:35 |
| mspreitz | I have a topic | 14:35 |
| russellb | mspreitz: sure, what's up | 14:35 |
| mspreitz | holistic scheduling API | 14:35 |
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| mspreitz | at the last summit, I remember two negatives... | 14:35 |
| mspreitz | 1 - inclusion of orchestration | 14:36 |
| mspreitz | 2 - complexity | 14:36 |
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| mspreitz | I understand 1 and agree | 14:36 |
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| mspreitz | I am not sure what was meant by 2 | 14:36 |
| russellb | well, part of it i think is about taking baby steps | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: have you seen this effort: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82133/ | 14:36 |
| russellb | i felt like the simpler instance groups was a reasonable icehouse target | 14:36 |
| mspreitz | johnthetubaguy: I saw it but have not had time to study it yet | 14:37 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: I guess this topic would need to be covered at the weekly Gantt meeting | 14:37 |
| russellb | sometimes things are so big that they're completely unreasonable without being broken down into concrete things that can be achieved | 14:37 |
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| mspreitz | OK, sure, understand a roadmapping idea | 14:37 |
| devoid | I still do not understand why it's called a scheduler, placement-maker is more appropriate. | 14:37 |
| mspreitz | completely agree | 14:37 |
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| russellb | johnthetubaguy: i need to re-review that, had some concerns ... | 14:37 |
| mspreitz | completely agree with roadmapping | 14:37 |
| mspreitz | on terminology: what do you guys mean by "scheduling" that is not "placement" ? | 14:37 |
| russellb | i think in general, in terms of the scheduler, project priorities are around decoupling from nova right now | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: likewise, I need to re-review that | 14:38 |
| bauzas | russellb: your comments will be welcome :) | 14:38 |
| mspreitz | I know climate means true scheduling, but other than that... | 14:38 |
| russellb | bauzas: assume you updated based on my comments? | 14:38 |
| devoid | if you look at acm papers, scheduling is place x time decisions. | 14:38 |
| bauzas | russellb: indeed | 14:38 |
| russellb | bauzas: cool | 14:38 |
| n0ano | mspreitz, do you have a link for a BP about this? | 14:38 |
| mspreitz | devoid: exactly. Until climate, there was no time | 14:38 |
| bauzas | russellb: I rewrote the problem statement | 14:38 |
| russellb | heh, well, there may be a better name, but "scheduler" is pretty ingrained as openstack terminology at this point | 14:38 |
| russellb | bauzas: cool | 14:38 |
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| bauzas | mspreitz: devoid: there is a summit proposal | 14:39 |
| mspreitz | OK, if no more specific complaints than the need for realistic roadmapping, I understand and agree | 14:39 |
| russellb | realistic roadmapping is part of it | 14:39 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: devoid: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/45 | 14:40 |
| russellb | also needs to align with other current priorities | 14:40 |
| russellb | (decoupling scheduler to prepare to split it out) | 14:40 |
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| mspreitz | BTW, now that Docker has given up on being in nova, that's more pressure for common scheduling | 14:40 |
| bauzas | russellb: +1 | 14:40 |
| russellb | mspreitz: disagree with that comment | 14:41 |
| mspreitz | russellb: how so? | 14:41 |
| russellb | the nova docker driver is still under development | 14:41 |
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| russellb | just moved to a stackforge repo | 14:41 |
| russellb | it still exists as it did, location moved | 14:41 |
| mspreitz | russellb: got it | 14:41 |
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| russellb | for reference: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/nova-docker | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | a separate scheduler seems an easier place to consider volumes and networks when doing placement, so it might be worth waiting a little on that | 14:43 |
| russellb | right | 14:43 |
| mspreitz | johnthetubaguy: agree, that's why things are ordered as they are | 14:43 |
| russellb | reasonable goal for juno seems to be - decouple from nova db | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: cool, just wanted to point at the elephant in the room, glad we are agreed there :) | 14:44 |
| russellb | that's going to be big enough | 14:44 |
| russellb | IMO | 14:44 |
| bauzas | russellb: +1 | 14:44 |
| mspreitz | russellbalso needs to align with other current priorities | 14:45 |
| mspreitz | can you elaborate? | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: +1 | 14:45 |
| russellb | mspreitz: the stuff i was just saying, basically | 14:45 |
| mspreitz | OK, thanks | 14:45 |
| russellb | unfortunately a lot of more mechanical refactoring and reworking of the scheduler as-is needed before the more "fun" stuff can be done | 14:46 |
| bauzas | hence the blueprint :) | 14:46 |
| * russellb nods | 14:46 | |
| russellb | baby steps! | 14:47 |
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| russellb | any other topics for today? | 14:47 |
| russellb | alright then, thanks everyone! | 14:48 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
| mspreitz | thanks | 14:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 3 14:49:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:49 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-04-03-14.01.html | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-04-03-14.01.txt | 14:49 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 3 15:00:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | good morning/good evening everyone | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:00 |
| scottda | hi | 15:00 |
| csaba | hi | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| zhangleiqiang | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | I don't have much to discuss today | 15:01 |
| bswartz | this can be a fairly short meeting unless you all have topics | 15:02 |
| bswartz | zhangleiqiang: would you like to introduce yourself? | 15:02 |
| bswartz | we haven't met I don't think | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | it's okay if you're shy | 15:03 |
| zhangleiqiang | OK. Hi, everybody, I am a newbies to Manila. | 15:03 |
| bswartz | we'll move on to regular dev status | 15:03 |
| bswartz | welcome zhangleiqiang! | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:03 |
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| zhangleiqiang | I am interesting in Cinder's filesystem driver, and I found Manila, :) | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: please go ahead | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:04 |
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| vponomaryov | 1) Horizon | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/horizon-integration | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | code: #link https://github.com/NetApp/horizon/tree/manila | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Several modifications to manila, for better support in Horizon | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | Gerrit: | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83518/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84799/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85004/ | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | TODO in horizon: | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Add handling of 403 and 400 error codes for every manila request | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Add minor changes (detail pages for security-services, share-networks, etc.) | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | 3) fix several bugs | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | 4) Add unittests | 15:05 |
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| vponomaryov | that's all | 15:05 |
| bswartz | thanks vponomaryov | 15:05 |
| bswartz | yeah so most of the work in the last week was targetted at getting the manila GUI in shape | 15:06 |
| bswartz | this is with an eye towards atlanta as most of you know | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | I'm sure the audience would prefer guis demos to a bunch of CLIs | 15:06 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: if someone wanted to try out the gui changes themselves do we have instructions we can share on how to do it? | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | it will be instructions about using horizon itself | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | and some stuff about manila | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | okay so the main thing people need to know is that out horizon/manila code is hosted on github.com/NetApp instead of the normal place | 15:08 |
| bswartz | and we've talkd about that before | 15:08 |
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| vponomaryov | one thing: horizon with manila should be deployed separately from devstack installation | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | devstack plugin install main horizon, not our modified | 15:09 |
| bswartz | anyone else have something new? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | any questions about what's going on between now and atlanta? | 15:10 |
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| xyang1 | vponomaryov: how do you install horizon with manila? | 15:11 |
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| vponomaryov | xyang1: clone https://github.com/NetApp/horizon/tree/manila | 15:11 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: thanks | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | configure its config to use your devstack lab | 15:11 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: ok | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | and then run with "sudo python manage.py runserver" | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | it will run on port 8080 | 15:12 |
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| xyang1 | thanks | 15:12 |
| bswartz | alright well this was a short meeting as expected | 15:13 |
| bswartz | if nobody has anything else | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | Looks like it will be helpfull, if I make HOWTO | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | will post it in manila chat | 15:14 |
| csaba | bswartz: just a short update on the cirros image | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: I think it would, because we will be in this state for a while until manila is incubated | 15:14 |
| bswartz | csaba: go ahead | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #topic cirros image | 15:14 |
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| csaba | nfs functionality works fine, now we are to get smb shares working | 15:14 |
| csaba | rraja struggles with permission issues | 15:15 |
| csaba | as of initrd trimming, it's a bit trickier to get right than I expected | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | permissions and security are the hardest aspect of shared FS | 15:15 |
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| csaba | I'm writing a script with some quasi-clever heuristics that selects the needed parts | 15:15 |
| bswartz | csaba: sounds fun | 15:16 |
| csaba | quasi-clever: actually dumb but fakes to be clever :) | 15:16 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:17 |
| csaba | at least the goal is to work well without manual adjustments | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | okay anything else | 15:18 |
| bswartz | ? | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:19 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 3 15:19:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-03-15.00.html | 15:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-03-15.00.txt | 15:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-04-03-15.00.log.html | 15:19 |
| rraja | thanks | 15:20 |
| bswartz | zhangleiqiang: you should join us in #openstack-manila | 15:20 |
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| vkozhukalov | Guy, are anybody interested in meeting today? | 16:00 |
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| agordeev | i'm here, but not sure if my opinion counts | 16:01 |
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| vkozhukalov | everyone's opinion is important | 16:01 |
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| e0ne | hi, vkozhukalov | 16:02 |
| vkozhukalov | e0ne: hi | 16:02 |
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| vkozhukalov | looks like just a few people are here | 16:03 |
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| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 3 16:03:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:03 |
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| vkozhukalov | Greeting everyone | 16:04 |
| meow-nofer | sup | 16:04 |
| vkozhukalov | who is here? | 16:04 |
| agordeev | o/ | 16:04 |
| mattymo | mattymo is here | 16:04 |
| aglarendil | me | 16:04 |
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| evgeniyl | I'm here | 16:04 |
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| vk | me | 16:05 |
| meow-nofer | let's discuss something | 16:05 |
| xarses | here | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic announcements | 16:05 |
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| vkozhukalov | Do you guys have any announcements? | 16:06 |
| meow-nofer | we actually had a meeting on how we're gonna implement UI plugins for Nailgun | 16:07 |
| vkozhukalov | have any results been achived? | 16:07 |
| meow-nofer | yep, I hope Vitaly will provide some links to docs | 16:08 |
| vk | yep, today we discussed approach described here: https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/18UwHEWO2AwHf84HTS-wDmiceNo68wUg7r24xcI_Jhec/edit# and all of us found this approach viable | 16:08 |
| vkozhukalov | Ok, looks like we have design for UI plugins | 16:09 |
| meow-nofer | I'm going to write some similar documentation on Nailgun API/Backend plugins, as well, but not for pending release, obviously | 16:09 |
| vkozhukalov | Great | 16:09 |
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| vk | yep, nailgun part to go | 16:09 |
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| meow-nofer | there are no known unsolved issues right now as far as I know | 16:09 |
| vkozhukalov | any other announcements? | 16:09 |
| xarses | we have merged single controller ha, I have started working on updating the fuel-main tests and hope to have something ready by tomorrow | 16:10 |
| meow-nofer | also, Pshemek introduced some great possible improvements in how we work with networks | 16:10 |
| vkozhukalov | xarses: wow, we got rid of simple mode | 16:10 |
| vkozhukalov | right? | 16:10 |
| meow-nofer | this all is described in our meeting notes and hopefully soon be in fuel-dev | 16:11 |
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| dpyzhov | preparation to 4.1.1 release is in progress. we have only two unmerged requests in web part: https://launchpad.net/fuel/+milestone/4.1.1 | 16:11 |
| xarses | vkozhukalov: it's still there for now, but ha_compact is the default | 16:11 |
| vk | xarses, should we now remove any mentions of deployment mode from UI? | 16:11 |
| vkozhukalov | meow-nofer: will you send a letter about UI meeting? | 16:11 |
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| meow-nofer | I guess I'll pass this honor to Vitaly | 16:12 |
| xarses | vk, We will, but we need to give some time to using ha_compact by default to ensure it's stable | 16:13 |
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| meow-nofer | let's keep all our discussions on this in fuel-dev | 16:13 |
| vk | I'll also try to send description of networking-related stuff we decided to implement by tomorrow | 16:13 |
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| meow-nofer | I mean both fuel-dev channel and mailing list | 16:14 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, let's move on | 16:14 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Blueprints | 16:14 |
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| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-containerization-of-services | 16:15 |
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| vkozhukalov | what is the status? | 16:15 |
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| aglarendil | we have barely 90% complete | 16:16 |
| mattymo | vkozhukalov, you want to hear from me | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | I would rather ask Matthew mattymo to provide an update | 16:16 |
| vkozhukalov | mattymo: it would be great to hear from anyone ) | 16:16 |
| mattymo | We have prototypes of nearly every service ready, but a few aren't puppetized. A few of us are trying to solve a bunch of tasks in parallel | 16:16 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: what about cobbler dnsmasq? | 16:17 |
| mattymo | aglarendil is working on forwarding DHCP broadcast packets via iptables mirroring rules | 16:17 |
| mattymo | but it looks like we need a 3.10 kernel for that feature | 16:17 |
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| aglarendil | I think this will be our best shot | 16:17 |
| mattymo | I'm working on Fuel ISO build tools to prepare an ISO that has all the container images bundled (plus a lightweight tool to deploy them after) | 16:17 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: can we implement it without requirement of 3.10? | 16:17 |
| xarses | whats wrong with dnsmasq? | 16:17 |
| mattymo | xarses, dnsmasq is beautiful | 16:18 |
| aglarendil | we need dnsmasq to receieve broadcasts in docker container | 16:18 |
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| mattymo | docker sets up a NAT network inside of an ip network namespace. it can't hear the DHCP broadcast requests from nodes on the physical LAN | 16:18 |
| xarses | dhcp-relay? can dhcp-helper in the parent hep? | 16:18 |
| xarses | dhcp-relay? can dhcp-helper in the parent help | 16:18 |
| aglarendil | it is another option | 16:19 |
| xarses | actually sounds exactly like what i've been using dhcp-helper to do | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | this would not require 3.10, right? | 16:19 |
| mattymo | Alexander Didenko is working on puppetizing some of the remaining services (rsyslog, postgres, rabbitmq) | 16:20 |
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| xarses | correct | 16:20 |
| xarses | example i've been using for multi-l3: dhcp-helper -s 10.110.0.2 -i virbr6 -i virbr11 | 16:20 |
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| vkozhukalov | are there any questions about this blueprint? moving on? | 16:21 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/patch-openstack | 16:22 |
| aglarendil | we have puppet providers complete. now we are working on the Astute layer that does repository update on the nodes | 16:22 |
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| vkozhukalov | looks like 50% completed. right? | 16:23 |
| mihgen | what about multiple repos on master? | 16:23 |
| evgeniyl | aglarendil: Hmm, we want to update repos from astute? | 16:24 |
| evgeniyl | aglarendil: why we can't do it from puppet when we start it? | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov | i see a couple review requests and one of them is already merged and it is really huge | 16:25 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84092/ | 16:25 |
| vkozhukalov | great | 16:25 |
| mattymo | we could also set --environment variable and configure the paths for each versioned puppet manifests in puppet.conf | 16:25 |
| mattymo | it's a little tricky too | 16:25 |
| mattymo | and not any better than --modulepath= | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | it is more convenient to do in astute | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | because you are not able to change prefetched data in the runtime | 16:26 |
| evgeniyl | aglarendil: don't agree, but ok, we can discuss it later | 16:26 |
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| vkozhukalov | later in ML | 16:27 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:27 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/relocate-haproxy-to-its-own-network-namespace | 16:27 |
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| aglarendil | implemented | 16:28 |
| aglarendil | and merged | 16:28 |
| xarses | yay! | 16:28 |
| vkozhukalov | great | 16:28 |
| xarses | so ha works now? | 16:28 |
| mihgen | verified? | 16:28 |
| aglarendil | It works - means it is verified :) | 16:29 |
| vkozhukalov | looks like we got rid of problems with reconnecting | 16:29 |
| mihgen | ha worked before .. | 16:29 |
| mihgen | but not ideally ;) | 16:29 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:29 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/nailgun-objects-flow | 16:29 |
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| meow-nofer | currently almost all major items we have are rewritten to objects, so they implement the same interface | 16:30 |
| meow-nofer | that's quite enough for current API freeze | 16:30 |
| meow-nofer | Node object is already merged and Notification object (small and simple) is on the way | 16:30 |
| mihgen | do we have any versioning of RPC now with it? | 16:30 |
| meow-nofer | not yet, but is's not really hard to implement | 16:31 |
| xarses | meow-nofer: are we going to fix the import issue on NetworkManager? "from nailgun.network.manager import NetworkManager" | 16:31 |
| evgeniyl | mihgen: it's a part of patching openstack feature | 16:31 |
| mihgen | xarses: it's fixed I believe | 16:31 |
| evgeniyl | mihgen: i.e. no, we on't have versioning for rpc | 16:31 |
| meow-nofer | xarses, already fixed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84739/ | 16:31 |
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| xarses | meow-nofer: thanks | 16:31 |
| meow-nofer | RPC versioning is not the same as REST versioning, let's discuss it separately later | 16:32 |
| meow-nofer | let's move on | 16:32 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/nailgun-rest-db-constraint | 16:32 |
| meow-nofer | Igor implemented simple wrapper, so now you if you get 500 error from API - it is something really strange | 16:33 |
| meow-nofer | like, modifying objects if you're breaking some constraints using API is now wrapped and will never return 500 | 16:33 |
| meow-nofer | it's 400 as it should be | 16:33 |
| meow-nofer | any questions on this one? | 16:34 |
| meow-nofer | if no, let's move | 16:34 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, thanks | 16:35 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/nailgun-rest-api-pagination | 16:35 |
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| vkozhukalov | looks like it is important for notifications | 16:35 |
| vkozhukalov | only | 16:35 |
| meow-nofer | work on pagination is already in progress and it became much simpler after we introduced objects for all major entities | 16:35 |
| mihgen | for large installations I think | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | 500+ nodes | 16:36 |
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| evgeniyl | I think we need to change "Implementation" status. | 16:36 |
| meow-nofer | so, on UIright now it's really important for notifications and we're discussing how to use it with Nodes | 16:36 |
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| meow-nofer | I don't think we'll implement this for nodes on UI in this release, though | 16:37 |
| meow-nofer | for nodes, I mean | 16:37 |
| evgeniyl | It will be not so easy to implement on UI, because we have grouping | 16:37 |
| meow-nofer | yep | 16:37 |
| vk | yep, notifications are great start | 16:38 |
| vk | finially we will implement them properly | 16:38 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on? | 16:38 |
| meow-nofer | yay | 16:38 |
| meow-nofer | go go | 16:39 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/nailgun-patch-method-implementation | 16:39 |
| mihgen | go go night clubbing | 16:39 |
| meow-nofer | go go power rangers | 16:39 |
| evgeniyl | anotchenko: is working on it | 16:39 |
| vkozhukalov | how is the progress? | 16:39 |
| anotchenko | We already discussed implementation details, working on it right now | 16:39 |
| vkozhukalov | great | 16:40 |
| anotchenko | how to update nested structures | 16:40 |
| meow-nofer | it's the last major thing we're planning to implement in this release | 16:40 |
| anotchenko | and other details | 16:40 |
| mihgen | will it be done soon? | 16:40 |
| meow-nofer | dealing with REST API | 16:40 |
| xenolog | guys, after moving Haproxy to it's network namespace, I think, we should remove read_timeout=60 from any mysql urls. | 16:40 |
| xenolog | I tested it, but anyone another should test it. | 16:40 |
| anotchenko | Well, review request by monday I think | 16:40 |
| xarses | meow-nofer: so will we support both PATCH and PUT or only PUT? | 16:41 |
| meow-nofer | xenolog, offtopic, write about it on fuel-dev | 16:41 |
| anotchenko | There not so much uses for PUT, but in some cases , probably | 16:41 |
| meow-nofer | xarses, only PATCH, I would say, because right now our PUT is working exactly as PATCH should | 16:41 |
| meow-nofer | but maybe we'll leave PUT in some places, too | 16:41 |
| vkozhukalov | ok | 16:42 |
| xarses | meow-nofer: ok | 16:42 |
| meow-nofer | k | 16:42 |
| meow-nofer | ) | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuelclient-refactoring | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov | review request | 16:43 |
| anotchenko | reviewed by two people, 5-th patchset https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83693/5 | 16:43 |
| anotchenko | Fixing latest comments | 16:43 |
| vkozhukalov | and thousands of lines ) | 16:43 |
| anotchenko | +3000, -2000 | 16:43 |
| xarses | it already was 2k lines | 16:44 |
| meow-nofer | it looks like a big arguable thing, but I looked through it and it requires a lot more comments, at least | 16:44 |
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| meow-nofer | please, colleagues, let's review this more thoroughly | 16:44 |
| anotchenko | meow-nofer: I’ll add some comments in next patchset | 16:44 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, waiting for comments and additional review | 16:45 |
| xarses | meow-nofer: rmoe and I have some thoughts about fuelclient, we will look it over too | 16:45 |
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| xarses | I see commit message needs link to bp | 16:45 |
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| meow-nofer | xarses, the main thing is, we looked through existing solutions | 16:46 |
| meow-nofer | xarses, and they didn't look really suitable and simple in some cases | 16:46 |
| meow-nofer | xarses, so, anotchenko did write an implementation itself, that's why it is so big | 16:46 |
| xarses | meow-nofer: any change in this direction is helpful. | 16:46 |
| meow-nofer | xarses, yes, they use some thing called cliff in openstack | 16:47 |
| anotchenko | It’s big cause it has structure and a lot more licence copypaste | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, will discuss in review request and maybe in ML | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | some folks participated in networking discussions today | 16:49 |
| mihgen | I'm wondering what would be the first items to address | 16:49 |
| mihgen | for network flexibitliy and large datacenters | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | actually xarses and rmoe should work on multiple l3 domains, wondering on status | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | take a look at this networking diagram: https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/presentation/d/115vCujjWoQ0cLKgVclV59_y1sLDhn2zwjxEDmLYsTzI/edit#slide=id.g1ddc96bdd_071 | 16:51 |
| xarses | rmoe was working on cleaning up some of the last failing test cases that already exist. I think at that point we will ask to review the commit and add tests for new methods shortly after so that more people can look over the code | 16:52 |
| mihgen | it's something which is definitely needed for large DCs | 16:52 |
| mihgen | xarses: cool. So it's gonna be available in Fuel CLI, right? | 16:52 |
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| xarses | mihgen: after the fuelcli refactor, of course | 16:53 |
| mihgen | we were discussing how it can be done in UI, as well as many other things for networking. vk is gonna put this down and share... | 16:53 |
| mihgen | xarses: ohh there is dependency | 16:53 |
| mihgen | do we have a bug/bp for it? | 16:53 |
| xarses | we should update it somehow to show that, yes | 16:54 |
| mihgen | or you gonna simply extend CLI as part of the larger work? | 16:54 |
| xarses | the second | 16:54 |
| mihgen | ok. you've heard that there is some work in parallel by anotchenko , refactoring stuff… | 16:54 |
| xarses | we where hoping for the fuelcli rework to land first so it would be easier to add the commands | 16:55 |
| mihgen | I hope you are in sync | 16:55 |
| xarses | yep | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | cool | 16:55 |
| anotchenko | xarses: mihgen : review’ll be over soon | 16:56 |
| xarses | anotchenko: =) | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | any other topic to discuss now? | 16:57 |
| vkozhukalov | no | 16:57 |
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| vkozhukalov | ok, thank you all | 16:57 |
| vkozhukalov | great meeting | 16:57 |
| evgeniyl | thanks | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | have a great night / day ;) | 16:57 |
| meow-nofer | thx by xoxo | 16:58 |
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| vkozhukalov | #endmeeting Fuel | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 3 16:58:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-04-03-16.03.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-04-03-16.03.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-04-03-16.03.log.html | 16:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ping sahara folks | 18:00 |
| elmiko | pong | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 3 18:01:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | let's wait for several mins | 18:01 |
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| tmckay | here | 18:03 |
| * tosky back | 18:03 | |
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| SergeyLukjanov | cool | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jspeidel, ErikB1, sreshetnyak, dmitryme, aignatov | 18:05 |
| jspeidel | present | 18:05 |
| dmitryme | here | 18:05 |
| ErikB1 | hi | 18:05 |
| sreshetnyak | hi | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | today is the b-day of aignatov, so, probably he's offline | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's start | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info RC1 is ready and master is now open for Juno development | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but anyway, I'd like to ask to not merge changes that'll make backporting impossible before the Icehouse release | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | April, 17 | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | while doing documentation, I discovered bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1300291 It looks like tmckay has a fix for it, so I will be testing that this afternoon. | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we have some non-merged doc stuff and several potential / already existing issue that we'd like to fix in Icehouse | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, RC2 will be too | 18:08 |
| dmitryme | doing Installation docs | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think that April 10 is a good day for RC2 (1 week for pure testing before the Icehouse release) | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | we have a couple docs that just need more reviews | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the milestone-proposed branch will be created today/tomorrow for backporting some stuff | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (critical like docs and several bug fixes) | 18:11 |
| aignatov | o/ | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, any news? | 18:11 |
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| aignatov | dmmm... I was working this week on enabling dataloclaity for vanilla plugin 2 and verifying it | 18:12 |
| aignatov | s/datalocality/rackawareness | 18:13 |
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| tmckay | I need to run the bigpetstore job from jayunit100 and see how to make it work as an Oozie job. If so, we can use it for summit and other demos | 18:14 |
| aignatov | tmckay: great, I will start working on my part for slickcount on openstack sources :) | 18:15 |
| aignatov | *slocount | 18:15 |
| tmckay | aignatov, "slick" count works in English, too :) | 18:16 |
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| tmckay | aignatov, are you working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1291649? tosky was bitten by it yesterday | 18:18 |
| tmckay | or rather, he discovered it again :) | 18:18 |
| tosky | yep, with tmckay's guidance | 18:18 |
| tosky | it waits forever, there is a None object somewhere (tmckay, no stack trace attached? :) | 18:19 |
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| tmckay | it's in run_job, where oozie_server is retrieved. Nothing checks for None, and run_job crashes with no clean up. job_manager.py | 18:20 |
| aignatov | tmckay: tosky, yes | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, any other news? | 18:20 |
| aignatov | I already fixed it, just improving unit test for this | 18:21 |
| tmckay | great, thanks | 18:21 |
| aignatov | I think this is very needed fix because it came from outside users :) | 18:21 |
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| tmckay | aignatov, I can't believe it lasted so long | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, tmckay, could you please the list of issue that should be fixed in icihouse? | 18:22 |
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| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: sure, I'll compose a list tomorrow | 18:23 |
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| aignatov | create AI on me | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action aignatov to compost list of issues that should be fixed in Icehouse | 18:23 |
| aignatov | heh -> AI means action item -> means Alexander Ignatov | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, could you please prepare the same list for docs? | 18:24 |
| tmckay | I wondered about that. | 18:24 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: will do | 18:24 |
| dmitryme | aignatov: it also means Artificial Inteligence, which means you have plenty of work to do :-) | 18:24 |
| * tmckay was thinking about cyborg aignatov | 18:24 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action elmiko to compose list of docs that should be done in Icehouse | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's a point on alazarev aboud IDH | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but he's not here ;( | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'd like to skip other point for today and postpone them on the ater release meetings | 18:26 |
| aignatov | dmitryme: regarding artificial inteligence: http://ants.aichallenge.org/profile.php?user=5315 | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and mattf offline (he'd like to participate) | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, open time | 18:26 |
| aignatov | it's me, yeah :) | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | time to discuss something interesting :) | 18:26 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: just to be clear, you want to see which docs we still have open after today? | 18:26 |
| dmitryme | aignatov: lol, I forgot about it | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yup, it'll be great | 18:27 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ack | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, aignatov, how are your thoughts about demo? | 18:27 |
| aignatov | demo? what do you mean? | 18:27 |
| dmitryme | SergeyLukjanov: why me? | 18:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | err - aignatov and tmckay | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | demo for summit | 18:28 |
| aignatov | I think we are working on it with tmckay, and we discussed it earlier | 18:28 |
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| aignatov | we suggested to work in parallel on two possible demos | 18:28 |
| tmckay | summary, we are looking at jayunit100 bigpetstore, and a sloc count | 18:28 |
| tmckay | so maybe we have 2 different things we can run | 18:28 |
| aignatov | tmckay: yes, +2 | 18:28 |
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| aignatov | also any other ideas are welcome :) | 18:29 |
| tmckay | bigpetstore I think will be a Java action, which launches Pig | 18:29 |
| tmckay | not sure yet | 18:29 |
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| tmckay | and, it has a little visualization widget for crowd appeal :) | 18:29 |
| aignatov | tmckay: yes, it seems it's easy to implement it as java action | 18:29 |
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| tmckay | oh, new public link from jay | 18:30 |
| tmckay | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dfrgSOwp_g&list=UU2E0j3WvjD1LivFwt3WDJ-Q | 18:30 |
| tmckay | oops | 18:30 |
| tmckay | gone, I'll have to ask him | 18:31 |
| tmckay | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVB3nEKN94k&list=UU2E0j3WvjD1LivFwt3WDJ-Q | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #chair aignatov | 18:32 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov aignatov | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #chair tmckay | 18:32 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov aignatov tmckay | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, I'm sorry, need to go | 18:32 |
| aignatov | wh00t? | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | please, end meeting in time | 18:33 |
| aignatov | ok | 18:33 |
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| crobertsrh | oooh, battlefield promotion! | 18:34 |
| crobertsrh | congrats guys! | 18:34 |
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| aignatov | tmckay: issue which I faced today with internal binary file upload still happens but I think we should not rise panic here because internal savanna db was intended to be as temporary solution | 18:34 |
| crobertsrh | How big was your uploaded file again? | 18:35 |
| tosky | aignatov: do you plan to remove it for Juno or K? | 18:35 |
| aignatov | crobertsrh: it didn't work with 2-3 MB actually | 18:35 |
| tmckay | aignatov, yes, strange that it seemed to be local. Didn't it work for someone else? I haven't looked into it. | 18:36 |
| aignatov | tosky: not sure, it could be used, but we must declare that swift storage for binaries is main storage | 18:36 |
| tmckay | aignatov, if there are limits for different db impls on BLOB size, we could document them. Worth it? | 18:36 |
| aignatov | tmckay: actually it happened only on my mac | 18:37 |
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| tmckay | aignatov, okay, so maybe it's a mac only bug. Not too terrible :) | 18:37 |
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| tmckay | I used to have a mac ... | 18:37 |
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| tmckay | tosky, not sure about removal. If was for people who don't have swift. But, swift is pretty well integrated with openstack. | 18:38 |
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| tmckay | glance uses it, after all | 18:38 |
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| aignatov | the result is... I didn't verified completely Trevor's patch :) | 18:40 |
| aignatov | since I was not able to upload jar to the internal db | 18:40 |
| tmckay | aignatov, which patch? | 18:40 |
| tmckay | the filtering thing? | 18:40 |
| aignatov | this one, yes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84881/ | 18:41 |
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| tmckay | aignatov, you can just run the pig job from sahara-extra, it's very small ;-) | 18:41 |
| aignatov | in addition I was drunk to continue work with jars in swift | 18:42 |
| crobertsrh | I will also be testing that patch right after the meeting | 18:42 |
| aignatov | pig worked well | 18:42 |
| tmckay | lol, drunk testing? Great qe. | 18:42 |
| tmckay | okay, well, since we are chairs now. Anything else folks? | 18:44 |
| crobertsrh | drunk testing can really help you find edge cases | 18:44 |
| crobertsrh | or so I hear :) | 18:44 |
| tmckay | thinking outside the box | 18:44 |
| crobertsrh | exactly | 18:44 |
| tmckay | Integer? No. I'm giving you something else. | 18:44 |
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| aignatov | lol, in order to justify I should say that we celebrated my birthday before testing | 18:45 |
| aignatov | ...and after... | 18:45 |
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| tmckay | aignatov, happy birthday | 18:46 |
| aignatov | tmckay: thank you! | 18:46 |
| elmiko | nice, happy bday :) | 18:46 |
| tmckay | aignatov, okay, should we end it? | 18:47 |
| tmckay | lots of bigpetstore to run | 18:47 |
| aignatov | sure, tmckay plese run end meeting with sharp | 18:47 |
| aignatov | *please | 18:47 |
| tmckay | #endmeeting | 18:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 3 18:47:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-03-18.01.html | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-03-18.01.txt | 18:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-04-03-18.01.log.html | 18:47 |
| aignatov | it works! | 18:48 |
| tmckay | thanks folks, bye! | 18:48 |
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| aignatov | thank you all, bye, bye! | 18:48 |
| ylobankov | bye! | 18:49 |
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| mestery | Hi there GBP wonks! | 19:00 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking_policy | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 3 19:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 19:00 |
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| hemanthravi | hi | 19:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 19:00 |
| Swami | hi | 19:00 |
| mestery | Hi folks! | 19:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy#April_3.2C_2014 Agenda | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi aall! | 19:01 |
| mestery | banix s3wong: Here? | 19:01 |
| rms_13 | Hellos | 19:01 |
| mestery | #topic Action Item Review | 19:01 |
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| mestery | rms_13: Hi! | 19:02 |
| mestery | So, I had an item to move this meeting time. Do folks still want that? And if so, in which direction? | 19:02 |
| mestery | I would prefer earlier by 1 hour, since hte ODL GBP meeting immediatly follows this one. | 19:02 |
| banix | hi guys | 19:02 |
| banix | sorry for being late | 19:02 |
| hemanthravi | +1 for 1hr earlier | 19:03 |
| mestery | banix: No worries! | 19:03 |
| banix | ok with moving 1 hor earlier | 19:03 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: 1 hour earlier is ok with you as well? | 19:03 |
| rms_13 | +1 | 19:03 |
| Swami | +1 | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: yeah works for us | 19:03 |
| rkukura | +1 for earlier | 19:03 |
| mestery | OK, cool. I'll do that and send out email. | 19:03 |
| mestery | #topic PoC | 19:03 |
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| mestery | And now, the meet of the meeting, so to speak. :) | 19:03 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Do you want to give an update? You pushed some code for this over the past coupel of days I believe (great work BTW!) | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: sure | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so continuing where we left off from the last IRC meeting | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we had some exchanges on emails regarding the current state of the model | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and some of us met in person as well | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | plenty of whiteboarding | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | seems like people are fine with the current state of the model, at least to make progress now | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *for now | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | given that understanding, we wanted to make sure the people can work in parallel | 19:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | which need coding up the model | 19:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i have tried to do that and pushed the code to my branch for now: https://github.com/noironetworks/neutron-group-policy/tree/sumit/pm | 19:06 |
| mandeep | +1 | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this represents the API and resources as is currently doumented | 19:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | for those needing the NB interface | 19:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | it also drives a “policy driver” framework for those needing SB interface | 19:07 |
| mestery | Nice work SumitNaiksatam! | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am still fixing some bugs to actually see it working in devstack | 19:07 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: thanks, will look later today | 19:07 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: will clone the repo to take a look. Thanks! | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but once those are fixed, and there are no major objects, we will merge this in the integration branch | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery banix s3wong: thanks | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the current branch is #link https://github.com/noironetworks/neutron-group-policy/tree/sumit/pm | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we will try to move to the integration branch: #link https://github.com/noironetworks/neutron-group-policy/tree/int | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: offered to send the information about pull requests | 19:09 |
| mandeep | Yes, I will do that today | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: thanks | 19:10 |
| mestery | Thanks mandeep! | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | with that information local branches can be merged with the integration branch | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hopefully at least the functional blocks and the interfaces will be clear from the current code | 19:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thats the update on the branch | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or the code for the PoC so far | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in parallel there were discussions on the PoC steps as well | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/14UyvBkptmrxB9FsWEP8PEGv9kLqTQbsmlRxnqeF9Be8/edit#heading=h.hyj8vcqqd6ib | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: over to you | 19:12 |
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| mandeep | I had updated the PoC doc for what we intend to deliver as the first use case. | 19:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: there are some things in there which are not yet represented in the model | 19:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: so we still need to flesh those out | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just saying it loud for the benefit of everyone | 19:14 |
| mandeep | Yes, I plan to update the PoC doc/model as required. For now we need to define how address assignment is done | 19:14 |
| mandeep | Like identifying the bridging and routing policies without needing to know the infrastructure | 19:15 |
| mandeep | details (like an admin would need to know) | 19:15 |
| mandeep | #link https://docs.google.com/a/noironetworks.com/document/d/14UyvBkptmrxB9FsWEP8PEGv9kLqTQbsmlRxnqeF9Be8/edit#heading=h.vdxnduuz8joi | 19:15 |
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| mestery | All good points mandeep, thanks! | 19:15 |
| mandeep | The document also identifies the work items that need to be done for the PoC, and we are working on making that parallel | 19:16 |
| mandeep | Also, please comment on the doc for missing issues/updates. (Banix I answered the current comments on it) | 19:16 |
| banix | mandeep: ok, thaks | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura has started work in parallel on the policy engine/enforcement | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | engine -> driver | 19:17 |
| rkukura | yes, on the legacy policy driver | 19:18 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I should get started as well once I look into your code so far | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: great | 19:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: you will coordinate with rkukura right? | 19:18 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I think so | 19:18 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: I'll get started on the CLI | 19:18 |
| s3wong | rkukura: right? :-) | 19:18 |
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| mandeep | hemanthravi: Cool | 19:19 |
| rkukura | s3wong: I hope so | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 19:19 |
| banix | Will be talking to SumitNaiksatam on the model side and see how can help ut | 19:19 |
| * SumitNaiksatam thinking else on PoC | 19:20 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks, yes | 19:20 |
| * SumitNaiksatam besides lots more on the code | 19:20 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: i guess that sums up the update on the PoC | 19:21 |
| banix | have acouple of comments on the model side but will wait until done with PoC discussion | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: we can discuss specific points | 19:21 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: All good stuff, thanks for the updates everyone! | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: sure | 19:21 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, agreed. | 19:21 |
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| banix | I spent a coupe of hours looking at what models are out there wt application centric policies mainly to see | 19:21 |
| banix | if we ned any changes | 19:22 |
| banix | in particular if you ecall I was thinking if we need to have an endpoint in multiple groups | 19:22 |
| banix | loking further into this, that does not seem necessary | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: ok, cool | 19:22 |
| banix | at least from the us cases I have seen | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: nice, can you share the use cases | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if its easy | 19:23 |
| s3wong | banix: cool. One less item to worry about for now | 19:23 |
| mestery | nice work banix! | 19:23 |
| banix | There have been soem effort within OpenSack wrt defining policies; I also had a look at Netflix OSS just to see how they do these things | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: nice | 19:23 |
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| banix | Yes can send out the links; didn't want to distract as thee higher layer folks deal with a different level of abstraction | 19:24 |
| s3wong | banix: does Netflix have some kind of group-based policy framework also (running on AWS, I suppose?)? | 19:24 |
| banix | yeah they talk about scaling groups as the smallest entity | 19:25 |
| banix | which isessentially a group of VMs with a loadbalancer and autoscaling inclued | 19:25 |
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| s3wong | banix: cool! please send out the links to the team. Would love to see them. | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: sorry for my ignorance, does netflix use openstack or plan to use it? | 19:26 |
| banix | they bild hierarchy of groups but never overlap | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: if so we should talk to them i guess | 19:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i mean in the group policy context | 19:26 |
| banix | no SumitNaiksatam | 19:26 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I am guessing they run stuff on top of AWS | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: ah ok | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: true, i was thinking if they were playing with openstack as well | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | would have been good “app architect” level validation for us | 19:26 |
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| banix | Just wated to see how their abstractions aredefined and if we can eventally bring them in :) | 19:27 |
| banix | just a one0-sided study from my side | 19:27 |
| s3wong | banix: good thinking :-) | 19:27 |
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| mandeep | banix: Thanks, that is good research. | 19:27 |
| nbouthors | I have a question on the model, what is the purpose of the contract-scope ? | 19:27 |
| banix | Will kep you updated with some links i an email if that is ok | 19:28 |
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| mandeep | banix: Can you update the group policy doc with references? | 19:28 |
| banix | mandeep: sure | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nbouthors: sure, can explain | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: good time to have this discussion? | 19:29 |
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| mandeep | nbouthors: Allows a service provider or consumer to restrict the users of that service | 19:29 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, this is a good thing to discuss now! | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: thanks, done :-) | 19:29 |
| mestery | mandeep: thanks :) | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nbouthors: think of it as more granular consumption or provision of the contract | 19:30 |
| nbouthors | mandeep: I see, why does it carry some same attri as contract then. | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nbouthors: note that the policy_rules in the contract will have additional tags/labels | 19:30 |
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| mandeep | nbouthors: We are trying to use labels to scope application of policies | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nbouthors: contract_scope scopes/matches on those labels | 19:31 |
| mandeep | nbouthors: In the context of a contract, they scope the specific classifiers that apply to a policy | 19:31 |
| mandeep | nbouthors: In the context of a contarct relationship, they limit the visibility of that service to users | 19:32 |
| nbouthors | It is clear now. Thx. | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nbouthors: the default scope would be the entire contract | 19:33 |
| mandeep | nbouthors: I hope when the PoC doc is updated, some of this is clearer | 19:33 |
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| s3wong | any other topic to discuss? | 19:36 |
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| mestery | Nothing here. Should we finish early today? | 19:37 |
| banix | mestery: not a bad idea :) | 19:37 |
| s3wong | amazing, been a while since we can finish early! | 19:37 |
| mestery | Awesome! | 19:37 |
| banix | lets look at the code and review and contribute | 19:37 |
| mestery | Ok, thanks folks! Good work and lets keep the momentum going! | 19:37 |
| mestery | +1 to banix! | 19:37 |
| mestery | See you all next week! | 19:37 |
| s3wong | thanks! | 19:37 |
| banix | thanks | 19:37 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 19:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 3 19:37:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-03-19.00.html | 19:37 |
| nbouthors | thanks | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-03-19.00.txt | 19:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-04-03-19.00.log.html | 19:38 |
| mandeep | bye | 19:38 |
| hemanthravi | bye | 19:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thanks, bye! | 19:39 |
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| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 3 20:00:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:00 |
| markwash | roll call! | 20:00 |
| markwash | o/ | 20:00 |
| arnaud | o/ | 20:00 |
| zhiyan | o/ | 20:00 |
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| hemanth_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| ameade | 0\ | 20:00 |
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| markwash | lol ameade your emoticon greeting looks kind of like someone scratching their head :-) | 20:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 20:01 |
| ameade | haha | 20:01 |
| markwash | okay. . let's roll | 20:01 |
| markwash | #topic project status updates | 20:01 |
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| markwash | probably you noticed, but we cut rc1 | 20:02 |
| markwash | so we're in business for juno development | 20:02 |
| markwash | and feature freeze is over | 20:02 |
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| ameade | weeee | 20:02 |
| markwash | we're still in that cold part where there may be important bugs we want to fix, so if we can hold off on being *too* dramatic in changes over the next few weeks, it might save someone work on backporting bug fixes | 20:03 |
| markwash | but just keep that in mind for core reviewing | 20:03 |
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| markwash | any questions about the project status? | 20:03 |
| markwash | or juno | 20:03 |
| markwash | going | 20:04 |
| markwash | goin | 20:04 |
| markwash | gone | 20:04 |
| markwash | #topic artifacts design doc | 20:04 |
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| markwash | I think we still need some sort of general communication about what the whole "artifacts" plan is | 20:04 |
| markwash | so that people can get up to speed | 20:04 |
| arnaud | agree | 20:05 |
| markwash | gokrokve: ping | 20:05 |
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| gokrokve | Hi Mark! | 20:05 |
| ameade | +1 | 20:05 |
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| markwash | Hi gokrokve, how's it going? | 20:06 |
| gokrokve | Alex is on vacation, so there is no any significant changes from the previous meeting. | 20:06 |
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| markwash | gokrokve: do you know when we expect him back? | 20:06 |
| ameade | this is something we want implemented in juno right? | 20:06 |
| gokrokve | Next week he will be available. | 20:06 |
| arnaud | ameade: yes | 20:07 |
| gokrokve | Yes. Here is API draft | 20:07 |
| gokrokve | http://docs.artifacts.apiary.io/ | 20:07 |
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| markwash | gokrokve: I don't suppose that api draft has seen a lot of changes since our in person discussion, has it? | 20:07 |
| gokrokve | I delivered to him etherpad and qhiteboard with our API discussion for references | 20:07 |
| gokrokve | No. There is no much chnages. | 20:08 |
| markwash | okay cool | 20:08 |
| markwash | so should we expect something more from him in 2 weeks? | 20:08 |
| gokrokve | Here is the etherpad with more details about references: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-discussion | 20:08 |
| gokrokve | markwash: I think next week he will devote to Artifacts :-) | 20:09 |
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| markwash | okay, so folks who are interested can have a look at that etherpad which is a little bit scattered | 20:10 |
| markwash | and otherwise we can hope for more specific documentation in a few weeks | 20:10 |
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| markwash | I will try to check in with ativelkov in time to give an update at next meeting of just where we're at | 20:11 |
| markwash | any thoughts folks want to share on the artifacts stuff now? | 20:11 |
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| arnaud | gokrokve: can we discuss of what kind of progress we expect? | 20:12 |
| arnaud | do we expect everything (db/api/business logic, etc) to be implemented by the end of juno? | 20:12 |
| gokrokve | I think as master is opened for Juno contribution we will start implementation | 20:12 |
| ameade | +1 | 20:13 |
| arnaud | do we expect only atielkov to work on the implementation? | 20:13 |
| ameade | i would like some sort of schedule | 20:13 |
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| arnaud | this we can organize our respective schedules to be able to contribute when needed | 20:14 |
| gokrokve | arnaud: No. There will be several engineers. But we need to finish Murano 0.5 which should be released in two weeks. | 20:14 |
| arnaud | but then you will have Murano 0.x | 20:14 |
| arnaud | will artifact be the priority over Murano? | 20:15 |
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| arnaud | basically my question is do you expect (code) input from Glance developers? | 20:17 |
| markwash | gokrokve: not to hold your feet to the fire, but ^^ :-) | 20:17 |
| arnaud | yeah :) | 20:17 |
| markwash | I think there is some good build up of understanding among other glance devs as they are exposed to the artifacts idea | 20:17 |
| markwash | and some design docs would push it further | 20:17 |
| markwash | so there may be other resources that could be brought to bear | 20:17 |
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| gokrokve | arnaud: Yes. Artifacts right now have more priority then Murano. Just for IceHouse we had to implements it in Murano. | 20:18 |
| arnaud | ok sounds good! :) | 20:18 |
| gokrokve | I think we expect to have contribution to Artifacts from: Glance team, Murano and Heat teams | 20:18 |
| markwash | there is a session proposed for artifacts discussion at the summit | 20:19 |
| arnaud | yes actually | 20:19 |
| arnaud | I wanted to bring this up | 20:19 |
| markwash | it will be nice to have some late stage design / early stage code review at that time | 20:19 |
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| arnaud | is 1 session enough markwash ? | 20:19 |
| markwash | arnaud: probably not | 20:19 |
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| markwash | okay, so I think we still have more questions than answers at this point, let's carry some of those forward into the next two meetings | 20:21 |
| markwash | hopefullly with some more design inputs we can structure the summit session nicely | 20:21 |
| markwash | any more thoughts folks want to share before we move on? | 20:21 |
| markwash | thoughts/concerns | 20:21 |
| gokrokve | I think we will have something like a final draft in two weeks. | 20:22 |
| gokrokve | Then we can discuss it in ML and then on f2f meeting in Atlanta | 20:22 |
| markwash | all right, thanks for the info gokrokve | 20:23 |
| markwash | #topic deactivate image bp | 20:23 |
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| markwash | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/deactivate-image | 20:24 |
| hemanth_ | should I give a brief background? | 20:24 |
| markwash | so I think where we left off on this | 20:24 |
| markwash | hemanth_: sure go for it | 20:24 |
| hemanth_ | so, this bp proposes to 'deactivate' a 'bad' image | 20:25 |
| hemanth_ | what does deactivate mean? prohibiting the download of such 'bad' images | 20:25 |
| hemanth_ | what does 'bad' mean? not sure yet, but when we find a suspicious image that was imported or crafted within the cloud | 20:25 |
| hemanth_ | most likely reported by ops/monitoring folks, we give them a way to inidicate that a particular image maybe bad | 20:26 |
| hemanth_ | and it shall not be used until futher investigation is performed on it | 20:26 |
| hemanth_ | after which, the image can activated again or deleted | 20:27 |
| hemanth_ | *be | 20:27 |
| markwash | so its a little handwavy, but I want to give my blessing (fwiw) to the concept of deactivation | 20:27 |
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| markwash | its a reasonably general purpose, and my main concern was it would complicate the state transitions. . but turns out it does not complicate it | 20:27 |
| markwash | a resource can only go from active to deactivated | 20:28 |
| markwash | it will not be possible to deactivate an image that is in any other state | 20:28 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 20:28 |
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| markwash | (well, and it can go from deactivated to active, or be deleted) | 20:28 |
| ameade | yeah i think this is a fair use case | 20:28 |
| markwash | anybody have questions they want to raise about the use case? | 20:29 |
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| ameade | i am wondering if this would make sense to be used when you don't want people booting off an image in general but you still want to allow access to image metadata | 20:29 |
| ameade | is it still true that you can do a show on a deleted image? | 20:29 |
| ameade | perhaps we can change that | 20:29 |
| hemanth_ | ameade: yes | 20:29 |
| markwash | ameade: yeah it feels like that is the right way to think about "deactivation" | 20:29 |
| hemanth_ | ameade: all operations except download are allowed | 20:29 |
| ameade | cool beans | 20:29 |
| markwash | hemanth_: one addendum, only users with certain roles can ever "reactivate" correct? | 20:30 |
| hemanth_ | markwash: yes, its an admin-only operation | 20:30 |
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| hemanth_ | both de-activating and re-activating | 20:31 |
| markwash | so, unless there are more use case questions, we can talk a bit about the api (whether or not to use PATCH) | 20:31 |
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| ameade | could this have it's own policy instead? | 20:31 |
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| ameade | kind of like 'publicize_image'? | 20:31 |
| markwash | hemanth_: ameade: yes I was interpreting "admin only" as meaning it would actually have a policy on the operation | 20:32 |
| hemanth_ | ameade: +! | 20:32 |
| zhiyan | i think dedicated api is better then PATCH api for status field changing | 20:32 |
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| hemanth_ | +1 | 20:32 |
| ameade | hemanth_: make sure to lay out these clarifications in the bp | 20:32 |
| ameade | it could help a bunch with docs later on | 20:32 |
| hemanth_ | ameade: sure, will do | 20:32 |
| zhiyan | and i'm a little concerned on the direct changing of image model | 20:33 |
| markwash | all right. . so lets now jump into the api | 20:33 |
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| markwash | #topic deactivate image api | 20:33 |
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| markwash | so the original bp proposed a dedicated api | 20:34 |
| hemanth_ | I am a little apprehensive about patch because it is not inconsistent with the way we deal with status in glance currently | 20:34 |
| markwash | I think I pushed back and said "why not just use PATCH?" | 20:34 |
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| hemanth_ | *is inconsistent | 20:34 |
| zhiyan | actually i *think* probably the better way for this kind of functions is be placed as an extension for glance api | 20:34 |
| nikhil__ | well, this is a first level operation on the image | 20:35 |
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| markwash | a regular user still won't be able to modify status, correct? | 20:35 |
| nikhil__ | so, an extension would mean some level of value added service which does not fall in this category, right? | 20:35 |
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| hemanth_ | markwash: yes | 20:36 |
| markwash | it just seems inconsistent in API terms to have one way of updating one part of a json document, and another way to update the other part | 20:36 |
| markwash | I think we have some of those inconsistencies already, but I'd rather not add to them | 20:37 |
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| markwash | but I guess the feeling on the other side is that status is special? | 20:37 |
| markwash | just hoping to understand. . hemanth_ zhiyan rosmaita ^^ | 20:38 |
| rosmaita | well, i don't view the api as allowing json doc changes | 20:39 |
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| rosmaita | the json doc is a representation of the system | 20:39 |
| rosmaita | that's why patch is so weird | 20:39 |
| rosmaita | at least for me | 20:39 |
| rosmaita | patch seems doc oriented, not resource oriented | 20:39 |
| rosmaita | whereas API calls should be resource oriented | 20:40 |
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| markwash | interesting. . I think we share the same core view of the system in terms of the relationship of json to the actual features | 20:40 |
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| markwash | so I'm not quite sure yet where we diverge on PATCH :-) | 20:40 |
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| markwash | I think the idea is, you have a resource, you want to make changes to it | 20:40 |
| ameade | so are we all saying no to PATCH? | 20:40 |
| markwash | no no, sorry I'm still saying yes to Patch | 20:41 |
| rosmaita | ameade: not "no" just "not liking it" | 20:41 |
| markwash | I'm just trying to figure out precisely where our viewpoints diverge | 20:41 |
| zhiyan | markwash: do you like see deactivation function as a "core" function around image resource? | 20:41 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: maybe, "core" in contrast with "extension" ? | 20:42 |
| zhiyan | yes | 20:42 |
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| markwash | yeah, it feels like core to me | 20:43 |
| markwash | its on the "edge" of "core" :-) | 20:43 |
| markwash | to me | 20:43 |
| zhiyan | imho, i think patch api is working for image main model: changing the fields of image object | 20:43 |
| zhiyan | for the deactivation function, on implementation level, we can add a new status to "status" field of main model | 20:44 |
| markwash | fwiw, my resistence to a separate api route for this is just that I want to be able to give a good explanation that I believe in when people ask me about it in the future | 20:45 |
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| zhiyan | or add a new table to do the deactivation status booking... | 20:45 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:45 |
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| markwash | zhiyan: I think adding in a new status field to the main model is the proposed way of doing this bp | 20:45 |
| markwash | hemanth_: ^^ correct? | 20:46 |
| hemanth_ | markwash: yes | 20:46 |
| rosmaita | markwash: this is a very focused use | 20:46 |
| rosmaita | patch is a very unfocused way of making changes | 20:46 |
| rosmaita | at least that's how i see it | 20:46 |
| ameade | i see it as changing the state of an image, and patch is how we do that | 20:47 |
| markwash | I just see patch as a way of putting several modifications to the resource into a single transaction | 20:47 |
| arnaud | rosmaita: could you explain why you are saying this in an unfocused way of making changes? | 20:47 |
| ameade | so replace on status makes sense to me | 20:47 |
| arnaud | +1 ameade | 20:47 |
| rosmaita | arnaud: patch seems to open up everything for grabs | 20:47 |
| rosmaita | so if we were allowing a lot of state transition changes, i could seee that | 20:47 |
| rosmaita | but we just want active->deactivated and back | 20:48 |
| rosmaita | nothing else | 20:48 |
| rosmaita | it just seems different to me | 20:48 |
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| hemanth_ | rosmaita: +1 | 20:48 |
| markwash | I'm not sure I'll quite find resolution to this in the next 12 minutes | 20:49 |
| arnaud | :) | 20:49 |
| ameade | heh | 20:49 |
| rosmaita | i think by not using patch, we explicitly say "this is different" | 20:49 |
| rosmaita | and we want this to be completely different | 20:49 |
| zhiyan | tbh, i still think this function don't like a core function for image resource.. it's out of image object core CRUD function list | 20:49 |
| zhiyan | to me | 20:49 |
| ameade | it's an update in my mind | 20:50 |
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| markwash | yeah, same here | 20:50 |
| markwash | and rosmaita why is it completely different? | 20:51 |
| arnaud | the crud operation is update: not the state in which will be the resource | 20:51 |
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| rosmaita | markwash: because we have a nice state transition diagram for how images should work, and we are interferring with it (but in a very precise way) | 20:52 |
| hemanth_ | markwash: coz it is not in the usual lifecycle of an image? | 20:52 |
| ameade | well isn't that what we are changing? the image state diagram? | 20:52 |
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| ameade | state machine* | 20:52 |
| rosmaita | i'm afraid using patch will give peeple all sorts of great ideas of how to put all sorts of epicycles into the diagram | 20:52 |
| rosmaita | maybe it's just a matter of taste | 20:53 |
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| markwash | lol epicycles :-) | 20:53 |
| hemanth_ | markwash: this is like temporary state we keep an image in, like an off-the-band thing | 20:53 |
| markwash | great reference! | 20:53 |
| zhiyan | i think the key reason you think it's "update" is that you are thinking this from implementation POV. but from enc user, i think image deactivation is a separated function from CRUD | 20:53 |
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| markwash | I think the administrator viewpoint is most relevant here | 20:53 |
| ameade | it's all about how you word it, am i 'deactivating' an image or am i making it 'deactivated' | 20:54 |
| markwash | to me, if they already know how to modify an image, why shouldn't this modification be just like the others? | 20:54 |
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| markwash | ameade: oh interesting point | 20:54 |
| ameade | we are supposed to give a state to the api and the system takes care of it | 20:54 |
| markwash | <joke> obviously the solution is to create a new HTTP verb </joke> | 20:55 |
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| rosmaita | markwash: MONKEY | 20:55 |
| markwash | I don't mean to be pushy, but I think the burden is on the "update the image differently" side of the argument | 20:55 |
| rosmaita | MONKEY /v2/images/UUID/changestatetodeactive | 20:55 |
| markwash | lol | 20:56 |
| rosmaita | markwash: as PTL, you can be pushy, that's ok | 20:56 |
| markwash | I think we can move ahead with the implementation | 20:56 |
| markwash | don't encourage me | 20:56 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:56 |
| rosmaita | thanks for standing again for PTL by the way | 20:56 |
| arnaud | +1 | 20:57 |
| markwash | well, you folks are a great bunch of people to work with | 20:57 |
| ameade | i dont wanna make the RESTful argument but there are only four verbs and those are CRUD lol | 20:57 |
| markwash | so thank you | 20:57 |
| markwash | so to tidy up | 20:58 |
| markwash | can we plan on PATCH for now? | 20:58 |
| markwash | and bring up other objections later? | 20:58 |
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| markwash | or will that be a blocker for you hemanth_ ? | 20:59 |
| hemanth_ | markwash: ok, will try to find more onjections :_ | 20:59 |
| hemanth_ | :) | 20:59 |
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| markwash | hemanth_: lol good enough | 20:59 |
| markwash | okay we're about out of time | 20:59 |
| markwash | everybody: vote for the other guy | 20:59 |
| ameade | lol | 21:00 |
| markwash | sorry we missed on the taskflow discussion again | 21:00 |
| markwash | I need to run | 21:00 |
| arnaud | no problem | 21:00 |
| markwash | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 3 21:00:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-04-03-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-04-03-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-04-03-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| ameade | see ya folks! | 21:00 |
| arnaud | bye | 21:00 |
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