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| Swami | hi all | 15:01 |
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| xuhanp | hello | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:01 |
| Swami | hi xuhanp | 15:01 |
| Swami | carl: hi | 15:01 |
| Swami | ping mrsmith | 15:01 |
| Swami | ping vivek | 15:01 |
| Swami | ping sylvain | 15:01 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting distributed-virtual-router | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 2 15:02:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:02 |
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| Swami | #topic Agenda | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:02 | |
| mrsmith | hello all | 15:02 |
| Swami | 1. DVR Progress | 15:03 |
| Swami | 2. Plugin | 15:03 |
| Swami | 3. L2 Agent | 15:03 |
| Swami | 4. L3 Agent | 15:03 |
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| Swami | 5. DVR-Service node HA | 15:04 |
| Swami | #topic DVR progress | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DVR progress (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:04 | |
| Swami | As mentioned in the previous meeting the East-West is done. We are currently starting to implement the North-South. | 15:05 |
| Swami | The Design docs for the L2/L3 and the overall design docs are out for review. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | #topic Plugin extension | 15:07 |
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| Swami | The L3 Plugin extension for the DVR code was posted this Monday as WiP code. | 15:07 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84223/1 | 15:07 |
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| Swami | It is good that I started to see some early review comments on this. | 15:08 |
| Swami | I will address those comments. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | If you get a chance please review it and post your comments. | 15:09 |
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| Swami | #topic L3 agent | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "L3 agent (Meeting topic: distributed-virtual-router)" | 15:10 | |
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| Swami | mrsmith are you in | 15:10 |
| mrsmith | hi swami | 15:10 |
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| Swami | How is the L3 Agent work coming up for the East west | 15:10 |
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| mrsmith | L3 agent is looking good for East/West | 15:11 |
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| mrsmith | I've started work on N/S via FIPs | 15:11 |
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| Swami | Will you be able to post the WIP code for the sub-team review by next week | 15:11 |
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| mrsmith | I hope so | 15:11 |
| mrsmith | it should show how some of the methods are split up for distributed vs centralized | 15:12 |
| mrsmith | routers | 15:12 |
| Swami | Mike: Thanks for the information. | 15:13 |
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| Swami | Hopefully by next week we will have the L3 Agent code in the gerrit for review. | 15:13 |
| Swami | Is vivek in here | 15:13 |
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| Swami | #topic L2 Agent | 15:14 |
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| Swami | I think vivek is not in the IRC today | 15:14 |
| Swami | But I will update the status for him | 15:14 |
| Swami | Vivek sent me an email that the L2 Agent work and the OVS rules work are done for the East-West. | 15:15 |
| Swami | I have also asked him to push the code for review in the gerrit by next week. | 15:15 |
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| Swami | So by next week, the community should be able to start reviewing the DVR code. | 15:16 |
| Swami | pcm_:xuanhp: Thanks for the initial review of the plugin extension code. | 15:17 |
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| xuhanp | Swami, you are welcome. Hope we can have some code available soon for testing | 15:17 |
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| Swami | xuhanp: Sure | 15:18 |
| Swami | #topic DVR Service node HA | 15:18 |
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| Swami | I think sylvain is on another meeting during this time, so he is not in here. | 15:19 |
| Swami | I have discussed with him through email on this topic and he was planning to see if his L3-VRRP HP code can be utilized for the DVR Service node. | 15:20 |
| Swami | So we will be able to figure out as we proceed and have our Service Node functional. | 15:20 |
| Swami | #topic Open Discussions | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: What is your plan for porting the current DVR WIP code to Icehouse? | 15:21 |
| Swami | Carl: There was a question that sylvain brought up this week, about the "Provider router", which early I used to think of. | 15:21 |
| pcm_ | Swami: thanks... I got side lined for the meeting :( | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I don't recall safchain's question. | 15:22 |
| Swami | carl: The current WIP code that I pushed is not based off of Havana, it is from the master branch. | 15:23 |
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| Swami | Is there any other topic that you guys have, that need to be discussed. | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | Ah, you know what. I saw that the topic was "stable/havana" and thought that was the branch. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | carl: you are right, I thought I checked out the stable/havana branch but I ended up with the master branch. | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | You may want to push it up with a different topic next time. I'm probably not the only one who will be tripped up. ;) | 15:26 |
| Swami | So no worries, I will change my repo to have the right name. | 15:26 |
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| Swami | As mentioned in the previous meeting I am still working on a blueprint for the "Distributed DHCP". | 15:27 |
| Swami | We can discuss this when I have the blueprint and we can go through it. | 15:27 |
| Swami | I don't have any other topics for today's meeting. | 15:27 |
| Swami | xuhanp: Do you have any questions or topics | 15:28 |
| Swami | mrsmith: Do you have any questions or topics | 15:28 |
| xuhanp | Swami, Nope. Thanks for asking. | 15:29 |
| mrsmith | Swami: not at this point | 15:29 |
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| Swami | Thanks everyone for joining the meeting. Let our momentum continue. | 15:29 |
| Swami | Meet you all next week. | 15:29 |
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| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 2 15:30:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-04-02-15.02.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-04-02-15.02.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-04-02-15.02.log.html | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: thanks. | 15:30 |
| Swami | carl: thank you for joining. | 15:31 |
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| AndroUser | Hi | 15:52 |
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| trinaths | Hi | 15:58 |
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| mestery | Hi | 15:59 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello | 15:59 |
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| rkukura | hi | 15:59 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 2 16:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:00 |
| banix | Hello | 16:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_April_2.2C_2014 Agenda | 16:00 |
| mestery | Hi banix! | 16:00 |
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| mestery | rcurran: Welcome! | 16:00 |
| banix | mestery: hi :) | 16:00 |
| rcurran | mestery, yikes - that was a quick welcome ... hello | 16:01 |
| mestery | rcurran: :P | 16:01 |
| mestery | #topic Action Item Review | 16:01 |
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| mestery | banix, you had our only AI from last week. | 16:01 |
| banix | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83217/ | 16:01 |
| mestery | Thanks banix! | 16:01 |
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| banix | The patch is essentially 3 lines (not counting the comments and the unit tests) | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | I’ll review that today | 16:02 |
| banix | great | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | I will review it as well | 16:02 |
| mestery | banix: How does that one relate to this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69792/ | 16:02 |
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| mestery | They both ahve the similar titles. | 16:02 |
| banix | mestery: last week we discussed that probably we need to do more on this front | 16:03 |
| banix | the new patch is just a stopgap measure for this cycle (if it gets in) | 16:03 |
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| banix | we need to build on the othe rpatch that I have marked as WORKINPROGRESS after discussing a bit more | 16:04 |
| mestery | banix: Got it, thanks for clarifying for me. | 16:04 |
| mestery | banix: OK, makes sense. | 16:04 |
| rkukura | any reason not to backport this one if it doesn’t make icehouse? | 16:04 |
| banix | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:04 |
| mestery | Was just going to ask the same thing rkukura | 16:04 |
| amotoki | hi | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | A quick question on this patch for clarification | 16:05 |
| mestery | banix: Should the priority of hte bug be changed to be higher? And a tag added for icehouse-rc2? https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1227336 | 16:05 |
| banix | mestery: I think that would make sense | 16:06 |
| mestery | banix: Looks like markmcclain put comments in saying it's not a release blocker, so I'll add backport potential instead. | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | Do we have a dependence among the MDs - i.e. one depends on the work done by the other? | 16:06 |
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| rcurran | cisco_nexus must have an md loaded that supports bind_port() for vlans | 16:07 |
| rkukura | We should tag it with either icehouse-rc-potential or icehouse-backport-potential | 16:07 |
| mestery | banix: Just added "icehouse-backport-potential" to track this one. | 16:07 |
| banix | mestery: are we talking about the longer patch? sorry got confused. | 16:07 |
| mestery | banix: The shorter one. | 16:07 |
| rkukura | both are tied to the same bug, right? | 16:07 |
| banix | mestery: yes that would make sense | 16:07 |
| banix | rkukura: yes | 16:07 |
| banix | but I marked the longer one as workinprogress | 16:08 |
| mestery | OK, so lets see if we can get the short one into Juno and then backport it to the first stable icehouse release. | 16:08 |
| amotoki | in my understanding *-rc-potential is higher priority. | 16:08 |
| banix | i think we can still get in icehouse; considering how short the patch is depending on your reviews of course | 16:09 |
| rkukura | I’d suggest we treat this as the fix for the current bug, and decide at summit whether to take the undo approach from the longer patch or maybe the resync approach Sukhdev and I are proposing for juno | 16:09 |
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| mestery | So, for the shorter patch, we're now considering RC2 if there is one? | 16:10 |
| banix | rkukura: agree. we will need both the undo + resync or something ot that effect | 16:10 |
| banix | rkukura: for the next cycle that is | 16:10 |
| rkukura | don’t know about other distributions, but Red Hat’s is generally based on the 1st stable release, so we should think about whether the current fix is sufficient for that | 16:10 |
| banix | rkukura: just saying a resync won't be enough on its own. that's all. | 16:10 |
| rkukura | banix: I’m not dissagreeing | 16:11 |
| amotoki | rkukura: 1st stable "update"? | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: The 1st stable branch release after the initial icehouse release | 16:11 |
| amotoki | i see. | 16:11 |
| rkukura | Don’t know if that is current plan, but thats been done in the past | 16:12 |
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| shivharis | 2014.1.1 | 16:12 |
| rkukura | shivharis: that would be it | 16:12 |
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| mestery | OK, for now I'll leave it as backport candidate, if we get this review pushed up soon, we can see about having it a part of a potential RC2. | 16:13 |
| rkukura | my point is just that the period between 2014.1 and 2014.1.1 is the time to shake out bugs, etc. | 16:13 |
| rkukura | mestery: +1 | 16:13 |
| mestery | Agreed rkukura. | 16:13 |
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| mestery | #topic Reviews/Bugs Being Tracked | 16:14 |
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| mestery | I know we just covered one of these, but the main other review we're tracking is rkukura's here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82945/ | 16:15 |
| rkukura | this is the final part of the port binding work proposed back in February | 16:15 |
| mestery | rkukura: Thanks for all your work here! The last leg of the journey is almost complete. :) | 16:15 |
| rkukura | would have liked to get this into rc1, but I don’t think markmclain will accept it for rc2 | 16:16 |
| mestery | Agreed. But maybe as a backport potential, so lets get it into Juno now. | 16:17 |
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| mestery | There is one other bug which was just reported. | 16:17 |
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| mestery | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1301449 | 16:17 |
| mestery | This is related to the ODL ML2 driver. | 16:17 |
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| mestery | amotoki and myself were discussing in-channel prior to the meeting. | 16:17 |
| mestery | I'm going to try recreating this post-meeting. | 16:17 |
| banix | mestery: what amotoki was suggesting would do the trick :) | 16:18 |
| mestery | banix: Good! I'll have a patch out soon! | 16:18 |
| rkukura | was this in #openstack-neutron? | 16:18 |
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| amotoki | yes. 00:48:27 <amotoki> i haven't tried ODL after event-notification was implemented .... If ODL detects port plugging immediately, I think we can set the initial port status to ACTIVE. | 16:19 |
| rkukura | I agree setting the initial status to ACTIVE should do it | 16:19 |
| mestery | #action mestery to fire off a quick patch to fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82945/ | 16:19 |
| mestery | OK, thanks for the consult on that one everyone! | 16:19 |
| mestery | Any other bugs we should be tracking at the moment? | 16:19 |
| rcurran | yes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83546/ | 16:19 |
| rcurran | pardon my ignorance - is juno "open" for commits? | 16:20 |
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| mestery | rcurran: Yes, Juno is open now. | 16:20 |
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| rcurran | ok, then i'm fine w/ that bug i just listed getting into juno | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | I pushed a very minor change - hoping to get into RC2 - can you please look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84603/ | 16:20 |
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| mestery | rcurran Sukhdev: I'll review both of those yet today. | 16:21 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Can you push a new version which passes the Arista Jenkins as well? | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: Thanks | 16:21 |
| rcurran | mestery, for rc2 and/or juno | 16:21 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Or at least retrigger a run on the current patch? | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: already done | 16:21 |
| mestery | rcurran: Yours is Juno. | 16:21 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Just saw that, thanks! | 16:22 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: I'm not sure this one will get into RC2 either, frankly. | 16:22 |
| mestery | It's up to markmcclain I think at this point. | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: considering the change is very minor - I will keep my fingers crossed :-) | 16:22 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I’ll review that today | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Thanks | 16:23 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: it looks incompatible with older version. is it intended? | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | seems like a necessary change, and no impact outside the one driver | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: We are rolling out new version of EOS - but, it will continue to work with the older version - thought we match new EOS version with Icehouse - hence the patch | 16:23 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: thanks for the clarfication. sounds good. | 16:24 |
| mestery | #topic Juno Summit Discussion | 16:25 |
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| mestery | I wanted to spend some time talking about ML2 talks for the Juno Summit. | 16:25 |
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| mestery | We have until April 20th to submit talks, wanted to get an idea of what the team is looking to submit. | 16:26 |
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| mestery | Where we want to take ML2, etc. | 16:26 |
| * mestery opens the floor for discussion. | 16:26 | |
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| asadoughi | i've submitted http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/155 regarding ovs-based security groups (ovs-firewall-driver blueprint) | 16:26 |
| mestery | asadoughi: Great! This would be really nice to get into Juno! | 16:27 |
| asadoughi | yes, i agree | 16:27 |
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| rkukura | +1 | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | Bob and I are planning one ML2 Sync mechanism | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | s/one/on | 16:28 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: OK, that's good too! | 16:28 |
| amotoki | I am exploring db migration per ML2 driver in Juno. many unrelated tables are created now. (not sure for summit session) | 16:29 |
| mestery | amotoki: That's an interesting idea. | 16:29 |
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| mestery | In the past, we've also had people looking to refactor type drivers (asomya is working on that). | 16:29 |
| rkukura | I’ve got a couple completion/refactoring/enhancement kind of things that aren’t new features, so don’t need full sessions | 16:29 |
| mestery | And there was the thought of per-MD extensions at some point I think? | 16:29 |
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| mestery | Extensible RPC calls? | 16:29 |
| rkukura | Giviing drivers control over the RPC handling was one I was suggesting | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: do you have link to asomya's work? | 16:30 |
| banix | +1 on per-MD extensions | 16:30 |
| mestery | rkukura: OK, cool. | 16:30 |
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| amotoki | Re per-MD extension i am still interested in, but APi framework change is planned in juno? | 16:30 |
| HenryG | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-type-driver-refactor | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | Another was real support for bulk ops, where the precommits are all one transaction | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | HenryG: Thanks | 16:31 |
| mestery | Thanks HenryG | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | did the partial spec work get in, or should we put that on the list? | 16:31 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Not sure, we should probably add it to the lsit. | 16:32 |
| mestery | *list | 16:32 |
| mestery | I was going to start an etherpad for this before the meeting, but didn't have time. I will do that post meeting for us all to post ideas to. | 16:32 |
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| mestery | #action mestery to start etherpad for Juno Summit ML2 idea collaboration | 16:32 |
| HenryG | rkukura: you mean for the provider attributes? | 16:32 |
| rkukura | I think a couple people have mentioned dynamic (VLAN) segments from host to ToR switch | 16:32 |
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| mestery | rkukura: +1 to that idea | 16:32 |
| rkukura | HenryG: that’s the partial spec work I mentioned | 16:33 |
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| rkukura | so are partial specs and type driver refactoring closely related? | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes - that is why I want to see what asomya is doing and then build upon it - I have a strong interest in dynamic VLAN area | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | One more from my list - driver-specific and shared API extensions | 16:34 |
| HenryG | Partial specs BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/provider-network-partial-specs | 16:34 |
| mestery | We should have asomya present his work at next week's meeting, I'll work with him on that. | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | mestery: +` | 16:34 |
| rkukura | +1 | 16:34 |
| mestery | #action asomya to present his type-driver refactoring at next week's meeting | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: +1 | 16:35 |
| rkukura | There’s alway the modular agent - we had a bit of discussion in HK on that, but is anyone interested in pushing that forward? | 16:35 |
| mestery | With the addition of the ofagent into the mix, I think a modular agent makes some sense here for drivers which require that architecture. | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura, mestery: I remember you mentioning about ML3 at Portland summit - any work on that? | 16:36 |
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| amotoki | i need request-id between server and agent. modular agent framework really helps it. | 16:37 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: I don't think much has happened with ML3 yet to be honest. | 16:37 |
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| mestery | We should probably work with the L3 team in that area, which carl_baldwin is leading. | 16:38 |
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| mestery | OK, anything else here or should we wrap up a bit early today? | 16:38 |
| overlayer | I'd like to know if this BP still makes sense as of the current state of ML2: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-external-port, if it was developed for Juno. | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | I have a question to ask | 16:39 |
| banix | A quick question? | 16:39 |
| mestery | :) | 16:39 |
| rkukura | mestery, Sukhdev: Might be good to come up with some ML2+ML3 use cases to discuss with the L3 team | 16:39 |
| mestery | overlayer: I would have to look at that in detail, I remember reading it at one point. Are you interested in working on that for Juno? | 16:39 |
| mestery | +1 to that rkukura | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | I asked earlier - did not get an answer, asking differently - Does ML2 plugin enforce ordering of MD's ? | 16:40 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Yes, based on order in the config file. | 16:40 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: yes, MDs are called in the order listed | 16:40 |
| overlayer | mestery, Yes I'm interested in working in that or in something similar that might come from that.. | 16:40 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: we need to manage the list manually now. | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | In that case banix fix may create issues | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | ordered list would imply, one MD is dependent upon the work done by other MD…. | 16:41 |
| mestery | overlayer: I'll review your proposal in more detail, but filing a summit session for it may not be a bad idea. | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | if the next one is called when the previous failed, doesn't that create an issue? | 16:42 |
| rkukura | overlayer: Would like to see proposals based on current ML2 | 16:42 |
| banix | Don't lose your tempers here :) but is it reasonable/advisable to backport a simple patch to Havana that defines portbindings.VIF_DETAILS as CAPABILITIES? | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Initial rationale for the ordering was to prioritize which MD gets to bind the port | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | therefore, I believe our present implementation (without banix fix ) is good | 16:43 |
| overlayer | rkukura, Okay, do you see anything in the original blueprint that stands out as outdated? | 16:43 |
| amotoki | overlayer: is there any detail on your bp? is it a kind of gateway? | 16:43 |
| rkukura | banix: Wasn’t the attribute called binding:capabilities in havana? | 16:43 |
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| rkukura | overlayer: Its been a while since I looked, so not sure | 16:44 |
| banix | rkukura: yes somehing to make a plugin in Icehouse work with Havana if the only difference is change from capabilities to vif_details | 16:44 |
| overlayer | amotoki, rkukura, the BP isn't mine but I'd be willing to start working from there | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | overlayer: You should propose a session | 16:46 |
| amotoki | banix: vif_detail is used to select VIF driver in nova. In havana nova has the configuration for vif driver. | 16:47 |
| overlayer | in order to, eventually, merge different legacy networks into one overlay one (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/campus-network) | 16:47 |
| overlayer | mestery, rkukura, Okay, thank you :) | 16:47 |
| rkukura | banix: do you mean to make plugins or ml2 drivers work with havana? | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | overlayer: you may want to look at this as well http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/74 | 16:48 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks what about the point that I raised regarding the banix fix? | 16:49 |
| banix | rkukura: in my particular case a monolethic plugin we have in Icehouse can work with Havana OpenStack that does not have our plugin except for requiring a change in code from CAPABLITIES to VIF_DETAILS. | 16:49 |
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| overlayer | Sukhdev, Awesome, thanks! | 16:50 |
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| amotoki | banix: in havana nova-compute has the configuration for VIF driver, so i think icehouse plugins works with hava nova-compute (from this point of view) | 16:50 |
| rkukura | banix: Would it be much more work to do the renaming VIF_DETAILS->CAPABILITIES in a havana-specfic version of the plugin? | 16:50 |
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| banix | rkukura: no except that the plugin has been added in Icehouse. Did not exist in Havana. | 16:51 |
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| banix | amotoki: yeah but the plugin used VIF_DETAILS that is not defined in Havana. | 16:52 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Is your point only relevant if one MD depends on something done by another eariler on the list? | 16:52 |
| banix | If not related to ML2 I can discuss this later or on the ML. | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct | 16:52 |
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| amotoki | banix: sounds good. | 16:52 |
| mestery | Thanks banix. | 16:53 |
| rkukura | banix: Not sure if your goal is to get the icehouse plugin working on havana upstream stable branch, or in havana distros, or what? | 16:53 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: May be best to continue your discussion on the ML as well. | 16:53 |
| overlayer | I'm kind of new around here, so... What does exactly mean submitting a summit session? Some of them will be accepted for a public presentation in Atlanta? Is it just a simple discussion with all the folks gathered together? Or does every session get discussed, even if not in Atlanta? | 16:53 |
| banix | Sorry guys if I distracted the discussion... | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: no worries - but, just wanted to raise everybody's awareness about the potential issue :-) | 16:53 |
| mestery | overlayer: Only a small subset get selected for a slot in Atlanta. You are supposed to have a BP to discuss, with the intention of doing the work in Juno. | 16:53 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I guess MDs could/should be written defensively if they have that kind of dependency | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I agree | 16:54 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Ideally, MDs would just not throw exceptions! | 16:55 |
| rkukura | at least in post-commit | 16:55 |
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| rcurran | rkukura, then how do you report back errors? | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: only worry I have about banix fix is that there may be a cascade effect - any many MDs start to throw exceptions | 16:55 |
| rcurran | if a postcommit fails on it's action that's bad news to the admin | 16:55 |
| rkukura | rcurran: I think this is where we need to do some work - putting the resource into an error state, scheduling a resync, or whatever | 16:56 |
| rcurran | in my book, LOG.error isn't good enough | 16:56 |
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| rkukura | rcurran: I agree, but is the error recoverable? | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: log helps - but, sync mechanism will hopefully help better | 16:56 |
| rcurran | assuming the sync works | 16:57 |
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| rcurran | overall i agree - this needs to be scrubbed more | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Seems one session devoted to ML2 driver error handling/recovery may be needed | 16:57 |
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| rkukura | Do we think banix’s current patch helps or hurts? | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: if MDs have inter-dependence, then it hurts otherwise no | 16:58 |
| mestery | Folks, 2 minutes left here, just FYI, we'll ahve to cut things off really quickly here. | 16:58 |
| rcurran | honestly i didn't care one way or another. we're in exception handing code and something went wrong that the admin needs to know about | 16:58 |
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| mestery | I propose we continue this current discussion on the ML. | 16:58 |
| rkukura | +1 | 16:59 |
| banix | I come in peace :) | 16:59 |
| rcurran | :-) | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | :-) | 16:59 |
| mestery | banix: Of course. :) | 16:59 |
| mestery | OK, thanks everyone, lots of good discussions today. | 16:59 |
| rkukura | mestery: What’s the followup on the session proposals - are you creating an etherpad? | 16:59 |
| mestery | rkukura: Yes, I gave myself an AI for that. | 16:59 |
| mestery | I'll send out the link once I do that today. | 16:59 |
| rkukura | thanks | 16:59 |
| banix | thanks everybody | 16:59 |
| mestery | We'll see everyone next week! | 16:59 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| amotoki | thanks all. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 2 16:59:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-04-02-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-04-02-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-04-02-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:00 |
| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 2 17:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | Heya | 17:00 |
| Kiall | Who's about? | 17:00 |
| rjrjr_ | here | 17:00 |
| eankutse | hello | 17:00 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:00 |
| tsimmons | O/ | 17:00 |
| vinod1 | here | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | First up was betsy update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/RecordSets with alternate proposal | 17:01 |
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| vinod1 | rjrjr_ betsy and me put up some proposals on that wiki page | 17:02 |
| Kiall | Yep, I saw some updates today - but haven't had a chance to review.. Looks like they went up a couple of hours ago | 17:02 |
| rjrjr_ | that would be me. *^( | 17:03 |
| vinod1 | and Betsy | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Want to give it a quick detail on the proposed change? | 17:03 |
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| vinod1 | Okay my proposal is to essentially just deal with records | 17:03 |
| vinod1 | and create and modify time we check that the ttl values are consistent | 17:04 |
| vinod1 | to change all the ttl values at the same time we use a different parameter called modify-rrset=true | 17:04 |
| vinod1 | rjrjr_ proposal is to allow any ttl values to be set | 17:05 |
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| vinod1 | minidns would then just return the lowest ttl value for the recordset - similar to bind | 17:05 |
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| vinod1 | betsy's proposal is do deal with records but have multiple data | 17:06 |
| Kiall | back - got disconnected | 17:06 |
| mugsie | ok. The main point of all of these proposals is to get rid of the /recordsets/<id>/records stuff is it? | 17:06 |
| Kiall | So - Looking at this example https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/RecordSets#Create_a_Record_2 | 17:06 |
| Kiall | I like it, it's very close to the original v2 design | 17:06 |
| Kiall | But, it uses /zones/ID/records rather than /zones/ID/recordsets | 17:07 |
| vinod1 | not just the api but deal only with one and not both | 17:07 |
| Kiall | I think - hiding records, showing recordsets, and having the records as a list within the recordset makes lots of sense and maps to the specs pretty well | 17:07 |
| vinod1 | yes - that is Betsy's proposal | 17:07 |
| Kiall | While at the same time reducing the length of the URLs, and allowing TTLs etc to be handled gracefully | 17:08 |
| vinod1 | kiall not sure if saw my earlier comments about rjrjr_'s proposal and my proposal | 17:09 |
| vinod1 | when you got disconnected | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | We actually had that in the original spec - But concurrency and transitional updates caused us issues - I believe we're in better shape today to handle both | 17:09 |
| Kiall | vinod1: ah .. I've only see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/RecordSets#Create_a_Record_2 | 17:09 |
| Kiall | the "Records/RecordSets Redesign Option 2" section | 17:09 |
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| vinod1 | 12:03 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | vinod1 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | Okay my proposal is to essentially just deal with records | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | 12:04 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | vinod1 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | and create and modify time we check that the ttl values are consistent | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | 12:04 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | vinod1 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | to change all the ttl values at the same time we use a different parameter called modify-rrset=true | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | 12:05 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | vinod1 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | rjrjr_ proposal is to allow any ttl values to be set | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | 12:05 | 17:10 |
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| vinod1 | 12:05 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | vinod1 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | vinod1 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | Okay my proposal is to essentially just deal with records | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | 12:04 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | vinod1 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | and create and modify time we check that the ttl values are consistent | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | 12:04 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | vinod1 | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | to change all the ttl values at the same time we use a different parameter called modify-rrset=true | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: so, is there an advantage to that over having the resource be something like this? http://paste.openstack.org/show/74881/ | 17:11 |
| Kiall | (nabbed from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/RecordSets#Create_a_Record_2 ) | 17:11 |
| vinod1 | not able to get to paste yet | 17:11 |
| Kiall | It's the example from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/RecordSets#Create_a_Record_2 | 17:12 |
| Kiall | I copied it to a paste to be easier to see exactly what part of of the page I was referencing | 17:12 |
| vinod1 | that looks more complicated to create and modify and we need records and data tables | 17:12 |
| mugsie | I prefer keeping records as a list within record sets. The only issue we have is the ocncurency issue | 17:12 |
| mugsie | (ie. if 2 people ad 2 records at teh same time, the later on will remove the previous one) | 17:13 |
| mugsie | later one* | 17:13 |
| Kiall | mugsie: I think we can handle concurrency the same way we handle concurrent updates to a zone/record.. latest one "wins" | 17:13 |
| mugsie | ok, if that allowed, I would go for #2 | 17:14 |
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| vinod1 | with doing checks at create/modify time, the user would just need to deal with the concept of records | 17:14 |
| Kiall | vinod1: more complicated meaning the JSON is bigger etc? | 17:14 |
| mugsie | i don't like the idea of storing incosistant data about a record | 17:14 |
| mugsie | inconsistant* | 17:14 |
| vinod1 | for modify we now have to have a put and a patch | 17:14 |
| vinod1 | i don't like the idea of storing incosistant data about a record - inconsistent data is not stored at any point | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | could we not use json+patch for the additions? | 17:15 |
| vinod1 | we do checks at create/modify time to prevent inconsistent data | 17:15 |
| Kiall | vinod1: so, would there be inconsistent data? | 17:15 |
| vinod1 | with proposal #1 (my proposal) there would not | 17:15 |
| vinod1 | with rjrjr_;s proposal yes | 17:16 |
| Kiall | e.g. if I post http://paste.openstack.org/show/74881/ (same paste again) to /zones/ID/recordsets - it would create the record and 2x records | 17:16 |
| mugsie | vinod1: for example if some one added a record with a ttl of 3600, then added a record with a ttl of 4000, we would still store the 3600 in the db, but not use it | 17:16 |
| mugsie | we would have to, for when the user removes the record with the ttl of 4000, they would want the record remaining to have the originally set 3600 | 17:17 |
| mugsie | set ttl of 3600* | 17:17 |
| vinod1 | mugsie which proposal are you referring to? | 17:18 |
| mugsie | #1 | 17:18 |
| mugsie | or would we discard the 3600 when the 4000 ttl came in? | 17:18 |
| Kiall | So, personally I'd be in favour of an Option #3 - Remove Records, Keep RecordSets. The API would look pretty close to "Redesign_Option_2" in the wiki. | 17:19 |
| mugsie | sorry, the other way around | 17:19 |
| vinod1 | with #1, when you try to add the 2nd ttl with a value of 4000, an error would result as it is inconsistent with the value of 3600 | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: For me, that adds "weirdness" with updating a record (or rrset's) TTL | 17:20 |
| Kiall | Needing an extra "update-rrset=true" when there is more than 1 record feels wrong | 17:20 |
| vinod1 | kiall with option #3 what would happen if you create another recordset with the same name, type and data but a different ttl | 17:20 |
| Kiall | vinod1: it would be rejected as a duplicate RRSet | 17:21 |
| Kiall | No 2 RRSet's can have the same (Class, Name, Type) - By definition, if they do, they are the same recordset. (We only do class IN - so that can be ignored in our API) | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | BTW - Who's was "Redesign_Option_2" on the wiki? | 17:22 |
| rjrjr_ | betsy | 17:22 |
| vinod1 | betsy isn't around today | 17:22 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: and the option above that was yours rjrjr_? (Trying to see who's proposal is who's ;) | 17:23 |
| rjrjr_ | handle TTLs implicitly. | 17:23 |
| rjrjr_ | like BIND handles them for recordsets. | 17:23 |
| Kiall | K - Think I know who's is who's now ;) | 17:24 |
| vinod1 | so now that we discussed about these options should we decide on which one to go with? | 17:24 |
| vinod1 | or do it next week? | 17:24 |
| Kiall | So - TTLs implicitly being reduced to the smallest TTL in the RRSet seems surprising - a user who does `dig example.com @nameserver` will see something different to what our API shows | 17:25 |
| vinod1 | yes that is true | 17:25 |
| rjrjr_ | it's how BIND handles the problem. i figured it should be considered. | 17:25 |
| rjrjr_ | it's also in the spec on how clients should handle the issue. | 17:25 |
| Kiall | vinod1: agreed. I'm personally in favor of Redesign Option 2 - but keeping the resource called RecordSets rather than Records (since that's really what the resource is returning) | 17:26 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm in favor of eliminating the concept of recordsets personally. | 17:26 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: yea, bind handles it that way, and the spec says that clients should compensate for "broken" servers by picking the smallest | 17:26 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: so, what's your thinking behind that? | 17:27 |
| Kiall | e.g. Your opinion on Redesign Option 2 | 17:27 |
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| rjrjr_ | i'm not a proponent, but i'll go with what the team decides. i was hoping to simplify down to records, not to recordsets. | 17:28 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: I guess, I'm trying to understand what about RRsets you dislike? Other than the long URLs, which Option 2 fixes IMO :) | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | (Also - We should probably move on and come back to this next week, as vinod1 suggested, 30 mins in already) | 17:29 |
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| rjrjr_ | recordsets is not necessarily a concept that is in the forefront for an administrator. they work with records. | 17:30 |
| vinod1 | i agree with rjrjr_ | 17:30 |
| vinod1 | and looking at the rfc there seems to be only one mention of the term recordsets | 17:30 |
| vinod1 | or at least not as common as records | 17:30 |
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| vinod1 | we can possibly add the reasoning to our proposals and decide which one we want to go with next week | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Looking at other DNS APIs, there's plenty of precedent for the RRSet term (Route53, Dyn, JClouds using that for DNS, etc) | 17:31 |
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| rjrjr_ | yes, but we could make ours simpler to use. 8^) | 17:32 |
| Kiall | Okay - Lets put this back on the agenda for next week, and settle it once and for all then. Agreed? | 17:32 |
| rjrjr_ | yes. | 17:32 |
| vinod1 | #agreed | 17:32 |
| Kiall | Also - If we're planning a major change to the V2 API structure, I think we're going to have to leave it as experimental in icehouse. (Probably for the best anyway) | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | #action kiall to add RRSets back on the agenda for next week. Assume it's going to take 30-40 mins to reach a decision. | 17:33 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:33 |
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| Kiall | Okay! | 17:34 |
| Kiall | #topic Atanta Workshop | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DesignateAtalantaWorkshop | 17:34 |
| Kiall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DesignateAtalantaWorkshop | 17:34 |
| mugsie | we also need to plan some time to talk about this | 17:34 |
| mugsie | so #link http://doodle.com/pb4aqd59gxg489u5 | 17:34 |
| mugsie | if people want to fill in availiblity that would be great | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: you forgot to say what you wanted on that etherpad, or what you wanted to discuss on a call ;) | 17:35 |
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| rjrjr_ | remind me, 2 or 3 presentations in Atlanta? | 17:35 |
| mugsie | basically we need idea for what to show, and hpw we are going to do it | 17:35 |
| Kiall | 2 accepted | 17:35 |
| mugsie | 2 | 17:35 |
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| mugsie | rjrjr_: yours and mine, and the workshop | 17:36 |
| mugsie | so if ideas can get filled in the etherpad, when we get some time to sit down, (google hangouts ok?) and plan, we have a list to work off | 17:36 |
| Kiall | Both on the Thursday - 11:00 for the Talk, 13:30 for the workshop | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | any questions? | 17:37 |
| vinod1 | http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/ has the schedule | 17:37 |
| rjrjr_ | i think the Designate client, parts of the API (using curl), and maybe a quick notification handler as an appetizer for the 2nd session. | 17:37 |
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| rjrjr_ | ah, workshop is after the presentation. | 17:37 |
| Kiall | Yea, presentation should hopefully get people interested in the workshop :) | 17:38 |
| mugsie | yup, which means that we can show stuff in the workshop that we demoed in the talk | 17:38 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Anyway, Anyone with ideas etc - Please put them in as much detail as possible on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DesignateAtalantaWorkshop | 17:38 |
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| mugsie | and fill in the doodle, if you want to be on the hangout planning | 17:38 |
| Kiall | and - we'll find a time to talk in-person via http://doodle.com/pb4aqd59gxg489u5 - so fill in your availability | 17:39 |
| Kiall | With 20 mins left and 1 of 6 items covered.. Moving on ;) | 17:39 |
| Kiall | #topic Capture the Notification Context in Designate Sink Blueprint | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/sink-capture-notification-context | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82667/ | 17:39 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: looks perfect bar the 1 thing graham spotted IMO | 17:40 |
| eankutse | I reviewed | 17:40 |
| eankutse | looked good | 17:40 |
| mugsie | yup, I like it | 17:40 |
| Kiall | I am curious what you plan on using the info for though? | 17:40 |
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| rjrjr_ | i have a notification handler that selects the domain based on the tenant. | 17:41 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm assigning one forward domain to each tenant. | 17:41 |
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| mugsie | cool | 17:41 |
| rjrjr_ | the change to the network_api/base.py was because the catalog could be an empty list. | 17:41 |
| rjrjr_ | (if it is the change I am thinking of.) | 17:42 |
| Kiall | Oh cool, we have a item at HP to do something similar. It's on our JIRA for sometime in the next 2 weeks :) | 17:42 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: the addition was the "list_ports" method | 17:42 |
| Kiall | (The out of place addition) | 17:42 |
| Kiall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82667/1/designate/network_api/base.py | 17:43 |
| Kiall | Looks like it should have been part of the Fixed IPs review? | 17:43 |
| rjrjr_ | yes. i'll fix that. this happened because i have two WIPs submitted. | 17:43 |
| rjrjr_ | good catch. 8^) | 17:43 |
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| Kiall | Cool :) If we fix that up, I don't see any reason not to merge it | 17:44 |
| rjrjr_ | i'll fix it today. | 17:45 |
| Kiall | Anything else / questions / comments etc before we move on? :) | 17:45 |
| Kiall | #topic Fixed IP PTR Record API Blueprint | 17:45 |
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| Kiall | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/fixed-ip-ptrs | 17:45 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81580/ | 17:45 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: Q on this one. How your handling regions in the API? Same as FloatingIP? | 17:46 |
| Kiall | (I had a chance to code-review, but not test or properly understand how it's handling regions) | 17:46 |
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| rjrjr_ | kiall, yes. | 17:47 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: cool - anyone else had time to review / have questions / comments? | 17:48 |
| eankutse | not yet | 17:49 |
| rjrjr_ | i was thinking if you thought this was okay with IPs in the API, we could fix floating ips to also use IPs instead of floating_ip_id. | 17:49 |
| rjrjr_ | that was my largest concern. | 17:49 |
| Kiall | From memory - fixed IPs don't get an ID, while floating IPs do? | 17:49 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:50 |
| Kiall | I think the choice should follow the neutron API | 17:50 |
| Kiall | if fetching a floating IP in the neutron API uses the ID, so should we. | 17:50 |
| Kiall | if fetching a fixed IP in the neutron API uses the IP address, so should we. | 17:50 |
| Kiall | since we're dealing with the same resource | 17:50 |
| Kiall | and Neutron is where the identifier for that resource is defined | 17:50 |
| rjrjr_ | i was trying to loosely couple us to the Neutron API. | 17:50 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: cool, I'll test it out tomorrow and see if it works the way I'm thinking it does, but it looks good. | 17:51 |
| Kiall | It has made the need to split central into multiple classes even more pressing though ;) | 17:52 |
| rjrjr_ | i also have unit tests for it. i can submit those if this is code we are interested in. | 17:52 |
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| Kiall | It's officially at the "too damn big" stage IMO. | 17:52 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: yea, unit tests often help with reviewing and API testing etc - makes it easier to understand the intent | 17:53 |
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| rjrjr_ | kiall, fetching a fixed IP does not use IP address. list ports shows port ID, subnet ID, IP address. | 17:53 |
| rjrjr_ | i simply grab the list of ports for a tenant and lookup (search the dict) for the IP address. if it is there, the IP address is valid. | 17:54 |
| Kiall | Humm, yea, that feels a little odd compared to floating ips (Not wrong, just the two are different) | 17:54 |
| mugsie | is there a nuetron equivielent of a 'floatingip-list' for fixed ips? | 17:55 |
| Kiall | I think it's the right choice though - as neutron exposes fixed/floating IPs differently | 17:55 |
| rjrjr_ | hence my thinking of changing floating IPs to do the same thing. again, loose coupling was my reason for using IP address. | 17:55 |
| rjrjr_ | we could do the same with floating IPs. | 17:55 |
| Kiall | mugsie: No, I don't believe there is unless you count subnet-show and expand the CIDR | 17:55 |
| rjrjr_ | well, think about it. i'll submit the unit tests today as well. | 17:56 |
| mugsie | ah, ok | 17:56 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: so, normally I'd argue for our API being internally consistent. But - for the things calling out to neutron, I think we have to be consistent with neutron. | 17:56 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: cool - I'll test tomorrow - hopefully others can too. | 17:57 |
| mugsie | yup, I will add it to my list | 17:57 |
| rjrjr_ | my concern is a user just knowing Designate and having to find the floating_ip_id in Neutron which they might not be familiar with. | 17:57 |
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| mugsie | rjrjr_: we have a 'list; method in designate that will give them the ids | 17:57 |
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| mugsie | and the right url to make changes (in the self reference) | 17:58 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: I think thats OK, since we list them if the user needs, and Nova's FIP APIs are slowly on the way out | 17:58 |
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| Kiall | Anyway - 2 mins | 17:58 |
| Kiall | #topic Mini-DNS: Can we rename it to something less provoking, like ZoneTransfer Module? | 17:58 |
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| Kiall | #action kiall to put Mini-DNS: Can we rename it to something less provoking, like ZoneTransfer Module? on the agenda for next week | 17:58 |
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| Kiall | #topic Pecan issues (bugs 1288830 and 1288834). | 17:58 |
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| rjrjr_ | i think we put that to bed last week. | 17:58 |
| Kiall | Not sure who added that, but absolutely, we should file upstream bugs on them | 17:59 |
| vinod1 | i added that | 17:59 |
| Kiall | Pecan is actually a StackForge project now - So it should be easy to find the right people. | 17:59 |
| Kiall | Okay - Times up! | 17:59 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/pecan | 17:59 |
| Kiall | Thanks all | 18:00 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 2 18:00:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-04-02-17.00.html | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-04-02-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-04-02-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | Thanks Kiall | 18:00 |
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| Kiall | SlickNik: no worries :) | 18:00 |
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| dhellmann | Kiall: you can also stop by #pecanpy here on freenode if you have questions | 18:00 |
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| imsplitbit | o/ | 18:00 |
| Kiall | dhellmann: excellent :) we may have some bugs for you ;) | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 2 18:01:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| grapex | o/ | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| juice | 0/ | 18:01 |
| esmute | o/ | 18:01 |
| kevinconway | o/ | 18:01 |
| imsplitbit | oh I was too early :) | 18:01 |
| imsplitbit | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Gonna give folks a couple of minutes to trickle in. | 18:01 |
| pdmars | o/ | 18:01 |
| kevinconway | imsplitbit: the last meeting ran late | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Pretty light agenda today. | 18:02 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:02 |
| cweid | o/ | 18:02 |
| cweid | sup yall | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-26-18.01.html | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #topic Action Items | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | None here from last week, so moving on. | 18:03 |
| grapex | SlickNik: That was fast | 18:03 |
| sgotliv | o/ | 18:03 |
| juice | Get cwied | 18:03 |
| annashen_ | o/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | grapex: lol, feel free to add anything if you'd like. | 18:03 |
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| juice | Get/hey | 18:03 |
| doug_shelley66 | o/ | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #topic Icehouse RC1 cut and Juno branch open | 18:04 |
| * grapex hisses and moves back into the shadows | 18:04 | |
| esp | o/ | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Icehouse RC1 cut and Juno branch open (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:04 | |
| esp | lol grapex | 18:04 |
| juice | Cwied/cweid | 18:04 |
| esmute | yay! | 18:04 |
| denis_makogon | horray, now we can do more code, Juno is opened =) | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | So we cut the RC1 last night. | 18:04 |
| kevinconway | so that means we can start reviving all the reviews that were -2'ed in the great culling? | 18:04 |
| cweid | I am confused | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | kevinconway: Exactly! | 18:04 |
| denis_makogon | kevinbenton, yes | 18:04 |
| esp | yay more bugs…I mean features | 18:04 |
| denis_makogon | kevinconway, yes =) | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | This means two things, really. | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | 1. As kevinconway said (and all of you know) we can start getting the Juno patches moving. | 18:05 |
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| juice | On approved blueprints.. | 18:06 |
| imsplitbit | Yay! | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | juice, bugs also | 18:06 |
| imsplitbit | :) | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | 2. Also if you guys find a bug with the icehouse release that's critical and a potential show stopper, please file it ASAP and let us know about it. | 18:06 |
| juice | And bugs | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | In case we need a fix, and need to cut an RC2. | 18:06 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | But if no critical bugs are found, this RC1 is what's going to be released as the IceHouse milestone release for trove. | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | (There's a branch on github called milestone-proposed, if you want to test it out from sources) | 18:07 |
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| denis_makogon | right, we need to search for critical bugs, and review more patches that holds since feature freeze happend | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | cweid: still confused? | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | Any questions regarding this? | 18:08 |
| kevinconway | cweid: ^^ | 18:08 |
| cweid | sorry | 18:08 |
| kevinconway | cweid: cweid cweid cweid | 18:09 |
| cweid | was not paying attention | 18:09 |
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| cweid | reading... | 18:09 |
| juice | Did you mention branching? | 18:09 |
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| cweid | Did I? | 18:09 |
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| juice | Not you cweid: slicknik. When you say cut does that mean a branch of our git repo? | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | juice: we don't do anything differently wrt branching for any of the new Juno patches we want to land. If any fixes need to be backported, they will need to be checked into a different branch. | 18:10 |
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| juice | K | 18:11 |
| cweid | Ok I am on the same page. | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | juice: cut was just referring to the release. It's OpenStack release speak. | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | i.e. tagging the branch as milestone-proposed, and creating a tarball for the RC | 18:11 |
| juice | Ah a tag. Thanks | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | np, let's move on. | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | #topic ATL Dev summit topics. | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 18:12 |
| cweid | I would like to submit a user talk. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | Please get your sessions in soon. | 18:12 |
| denis_makogon | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/150 | 18:13 |
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| denis_makogon | at least now we have one session submitted | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | cweid: sweet. | 18:13 |
| denis_makogon | it's mine | 18:13 |
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| denis_makogon | do we plan to vote for sessions ? | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Hopefully we'll have more than 1 session. | 18:13 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, yeah, it's only the beggining | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: There are no votes for design sessions | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | The PTL and cores, with contributor feedback usually decide what makes sense from a roadmap perspective, and what would be the best use of design summit time. | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | Just a reminder to get your proposals in. | 18:15 |
| denis_makogon_ | sorry, was dropped of | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | I think hub_cap was planning on starting some reviews end of this week/beginning of next. | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | So it would be good to have that info in there, even if it's just a placeholder for now, with details to follow. | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | Any questions? Anything you want to add grapex? | 18:17 |
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| denis_makogon_ | what about discuss all proposed sessions at one of the meeting, near the summit | 18:17 |
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| grapex | SlickNik: Not much at the moment, but we'll try to get more submissions in from Rax soon | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: There are usually a lot of sessions, and I want to be respectful of people's time in the meetings. You can definitely bring it up in the IRC channel if you'd like. | 18:18 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, let's move on. | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:19 |
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| denis_makogon_ | SlickNik, i think we should do that, like we do the BP meeting | 18:19 |
| kevinconway | o/ | 18:19 |
| esmute | what do you think about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/cross-region-backup-migration? | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | go for it kevinconway | 18:19 |
| esmute | oops | 18:19 |
| kevinconway | so if you were at the mid-cycle… SIGN THE GPG KEYS! | 18:19 |
| esmute | ill go after kevinconway | 18:19 |
| denis_makogon_ | can you please explain what is that key signing party ? | 18:20 |
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| kevinconway | basically when we meet in person we can swap key signatures | 18:20 |
| * SlickNik has been slacking off on this and hopes to get it done today, now that RC1 is cut. | 18:20 | |
| kevinconway | then you can go back and sign the keys of people you know | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | so yeah, please sign 'em keys when you get a chance! | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | And thanks to the folks who have already done so. | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | esmute, you had something? | 18:22 |
| denis_makogon_ | so, then signer will have key signed by the people who he met ? | 18:22 |
| esmute | yes | 18:22 |
| esmute | working on a way to migrate backups from one region to another | 18:22 |
| esmute | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/cross-region-backup-migration | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signing_party | 18:22 |
| esmute | i was thinking of overloading the create() to take a location_Ref to create a backup | 18:22 |
| denis_makogon_ | SlickNik, ah, thanks, a lot | 18:23 |
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| esmute | trove manager will taken fetch and push the backup (using the exisiting streaming operation read/save) to its own storage | 18:23 |
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| esmute | taken = then | 18:24 |
| SnowDust | denis_makogon_ became poetic .. with emotional gestures | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | esmute: you might want to add that to the bp-meeting agenda. | 18:24 |
| grapex | esmute: Yeah, it looks interesting | 18:24 |
| esmute | ok | 18:24 |
| esmute | i know many people hasnt had a chance to look at it... we can talk more aobut it next meeting | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | esmute: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting at the bottom of the page. | 18:24 |
| denis_makogon_ | esmute, region means OS region ? | 18:25 |
| esmute | denis_makogon_: yes. | 18:25 |
| denis_makogon_ | esmute, i really looks interesting, how do you plan to mention region ? | 18:26 |
| denis_makogon_ | esmute, through params ? | 18:26 |
| esmute | the idea is to move backups that have already been created in one region to another | 18:26 |
| esmute | a good use case is if an user wanted to migrate his/her DB to a different region | 18:27 |
| denis_makogon_ | esmute, i think there are several options, one is "move", another is "replicate" | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | esmute / denis_makogon_: Let's give folks time to go through the bp, and wiki page. | 18:27 |
| denis_makogon_ | esmute, as i remember Swift could work as single service through multiple regions, and replicate it's data through the nodes | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | We can discuss the finer points during our bp review meeting as well. | 18:28 |
| denis_makogon_ | SlickNik, of course, just thinking too loud =) | 18:28 |
| esmute | denis_makogon_: we can talk more in the #openstack-trove | 18:28 |
| esmute | or feel free to put comments the BP :-) | 18:28 |
| denis_makogon_ | esmute, definitely | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | Thanks guys. | 18:29 |
| denis_makogon_ | esmute, lets first commulate requirements and use cases, and of course possibilities | 18:29 |
| denis_makogon_ | SlickNik, are we done with agenda ? | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | Anything else for the open items? | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | going, going.... | 18:30 |
| denis_makogon_ | i think nope =) | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 2 18:30:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-04-02-18.01.html | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-04-02-18.01.txt | 18:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-04-02-18.01.log.html | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | Thanks guys! | 18:30 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Thanks! | 18:30 |
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| cweid | byeeeeeeeee | 18:30 |
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