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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 8 13:01:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:01 |
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| beagles | o/ | 13:01 |
| baoli | hi | 13:01 |
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| irenab | hi | 13:01 |
| heyongli | hi,all | 13:01 |
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| boh_ricky | hi | 13:01 |
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| baoli | We can continue from last week about the use cases and the etherpad that Irenab created. | 13:02 |
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| irenab | baoli: I added etherpad link to the session proposed by you | 13:04 |
| heyongli | how far we'd go to make use case meet everyone's requirements? | 13:04 |
| baoli | irenab, great, thanks | 13:04 |
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| irenab | heyongli: what do you mean? | 13:05 |
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| heyongli | i mean when we close use case discuss, what is should look like? | 13:06 |
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| irenab | heyongly: I added a table for use case coverage. If its OK by everyone, I think we will have the flow description and needed APIs | 13:07 |
| baoli | Heyongli, the debate regarding your use case seems to be: 1) should vendor_id/product_id be exposed to the admin/user, 2) single tag versus multiple tags | 13:07 |
| irenab | there is also assumtions that may cover design decisions | 13:07 |
| baoli | irenab, your table is a good start. I think it has a good coverage on networking sr-iov. | 13:09 |
| heyongli | baoli, yeah, | 13:09 |
| baoli | heyongli, I agree to have multiple tags | 13:09 |
| irenab | baoli: Thanks. Now we should fill the tables. I think we need decision if we go with Flavor approach | 13:10 |
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| heyongli | happy to know this, this is important to me | 13:10 |
| baoli | heyongli, but how to implement them in terms of API, user interface, is a different matter. | 13:11 |
| heyongli | sure, what do you think it should be? | 13:11 |
| irenab | I think we need to define it as part of use case coverage. Agree? | 13:11 |
| baoli | heyongli, let's focus on the use case and requirements first. | 13:11 |
| heyongli | baoli, i agree the format, and it can be filled offline | 13:12 |
| heyongli | baoli, hope you could add https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pci-extra-info to joint session design topic:http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/248 | 13:14 |
| heyongli | irenab, to cover the api, we need a interface agreement, or at least some proposal | 13:14 |
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| baoli | heyongli, sorry that I missed that. I will add it | 13:15 |
| irenab | I started to fill in the first use case and quite stuck for flow description, since it should cover what admin is going to define. | 13:15 |
| irenab | shall we progress with existing constructs (flavors) or switching to groups? | 13:16 |
| irenab | we can evaluate both approaches and present both.... | 13:16 |
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| heyongli | irenab, for mult tags, how groups would look like? | 13:17 |
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| irenab | heyongli: I think baoli can define it. I must admit, not quite sure how it should work | 13:17 |
| baoli | irenab, when you talk about flavor, can you clarify what's exactly in your mind? | 13:18 |
| irenab | quite based on https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vadqmurlnlvZ5bv3BlUbFeXRS_wh-dsgi5plSjimWjU/edit?pli=1# | 13:18 |
| irenab | PCI Flavor that can be associated with vNIC | 13:18 |
| heyongli | cause we decide expose multi tags, so the user interface had 2 choice: the flavor , or just use the instance flavor extra information to hold the specs. | 13:19 |
| baoli | irenab, ok | 13:19 |
| irenab | heyongli: when you say flavor, you mean VM flavor? | 13:19 |
| heyongli | pci flavor | 13:20 |
| irenab | or PCI flavor | 13:20 |
| heyongli | i refrence the VM flavor as instance flavor | 13:20 |
| irenab | heyongli: got it, thanks | 13:20 |
| heyongli | the later choice, hold the specs in instance flavor most like baoli solution, right, it elimate the need of new set of APi, | 13:21 |
| irenab | heyongli: not sure, but I think you mix the API and internal implementation. We must have API to associate PCI device per VM VIF | 13:22 |
| heyongli | irenab, i think you talk about like --nic things | 13:23 |
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| irenab | and here is another question I raised in the etherpad if we need vNIC flavor or PCI flavor is enough | 13:23 |
| irenab | heyongli: right | 13:24 |
| heyongli | i don't refer to --nic thing, i mean we can define pci flavor via a set of new API or use instance flavor's exist api to achieve something liek boali's approach | 13:25 |
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| heyongli | and there is a set of ops available, refer to from nova.scheduler.filters import extra_specs_ops | 13:26 |
| irenab | heyongli: let's ask baoli what he means :-) | 13:26 |
| heyongli | we can use this as 'bare' pci flavor | 13:26 |
| heyongli | baoli, ping you about this , this seems will work | 13:27 |
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| irenab | johnthetubaguy: hi | 13:29 |
| heyongli | johnthetubaguy, baoli register a joined session, discuss all in that one, i just wonder if the time is enough, | 13:29 |
| * johnthetubaguy also wonders if they have tried drafting some nova-specs | 13:29 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think agreeing the user goals with everyone would be good, just to share the ideas | 13:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | would be good to present implementation ideas, but that might need a cross project session | 13:29 |
| irenab | johnthetubaguy: we are working on this doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zgMaXqrCnad01-jQH7Mkmf6amlghw9RMScGLBrKslmw/edit# | 13:30 |
| irenab | this should cover use cases both for admin and tenant users | 13:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | irenab: OK, but the nova-spec would be needed in the end, might help for the summit, just to frame the discussion in the "standard" format, but clearly any agreement is better than none | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | just wondering how to stop information overload during the summit session, like last time | 13:33 |
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| irenab | johnthetubaguy: Agree. Any suggestion? I think nova-specs will be created quite easily once agreement is reached | 13:34 |
| baoli | johnthetubaguy: out of this discussion, i think we should come up with the standard nova-spec. | 13:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, just I think you already agree on 90% of the nova-spec | 13:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the defining the problem and use cases, etc | 13:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | irenab: focus on use cases, I guess, at least at first | 13:36 |
| irenab | johnthetubaguy: is there any deadline for nova-specs? | 13:36 |
| irenab | is it manadatory for the session to be accepted? | 13:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | irenab: no deadline yet, no ptl elected yet :) | 13:37 |
| irenab | I can port the use cases doc to the nova-spec, but we still discuss the APIs and model objects (Flavors, groups, ...) | 13:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, use cases would be a top starting place | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | sketch of API would be good too, but agreed, thats still contentious | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | hows the "data model" going, to you agree on the information flows yet? | 13:39 |
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| heyongli | at least we agree on there should have multi property for a pci device | 13:41 |
| irenab | I think the main gap is in APIs/Config area | 13:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK | 13:42 |
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| baoli | With multiple tags in mind, we can go over the use cases, and see how it can be applied to each | 13:42 |
| heyongli | this is pci information provisioning, user interface still discuss , but there is at least 2 option we can choose | 13:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | my take would be agree the information flow | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | then worry about API vs config | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, what does the VIF driver need to attach, what does the user think about, what does the admin think about and specify, etc | 13:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | like use cases, but this data packets | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | then its much easier to argue about the API vs config options | 13:44 |
| baoli | johnthetubaguy, that's the purpose of the doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zgMaXqrCnad01-jQH7Mkmf6amlghw9RMScGLBrKslmw/edit#. | 13:45 |
| irenab | just for exmaple, lets take the first use case: admin sets groups of devices that can be allocated. | 13:46 |
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| irenab | we need to define what had to be done on Cotrooller/Compute nodes, right? | 13:46 |
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| heyongli | for the information flow, whitlist/pci information for provisioning and pci stats for summary to scheduler, seems we agree on this. any objection? we agree on a flow then know what should be done in compute node and controller separately | 13:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, OK, need to find a nice way to present the info to people with no idea about SRIOV | 13:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like you are almost there | 13:48 |
| irenab | So we are ready to go to upper level and specify the APIs /config admin should use | 13:49 |
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| Hao | there was a short discuss in mail loop proposing VFIO. | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, I don't see any details in the doc about the information flow, but I could have missed it | 13:50 |
| irenab | heyongli: by the way I am still not sure if we need PCI alias/flavor on controller for networking case.... | 13:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think you should start with the "tenant" stories, BTW | 13:52 |
| heyongli | irenab: that come from both sriov and common pci use case, as one of solution | 13:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | once its clear what the user needs, it makes it easier to understand the admin stuff, but that might just be me | 13:52 |
| irenab | johnthetubaguy: I think you are right | 13:53 |
| irenab | hao: I remember I saw the email. Can you please add some details? | 13:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | irenab: its that stuff that I think will help in the summit session, getting peoples head straight about the user problems that need solving, then delving deep | 13:53 |
| heyongli | johnthetubaguy, that's value to all, but fill the information flow in the use case need some agreement, am i right? | 13:54 |
| baoli | Can we do this: with each use case, figure out what tags will be needed, and how to use the tags to achieve it? | 13:54 |
| Hao | it was proposed to use vfio to detect pci passthru and sriov. i think it would be a nice idea. | 13:54 |
| heyongli | baoli, agree, just think, you describe the 'how to use it' like should get a use interface there | 13:55 |
| irenab | baoli: I think we can, but it is relevant for admin use cases. I think we better follow John suggestion and focus on tenant first | 13:56 |
| heyongli | hao, not sure you detect means, but like another story to say | 13:56 |
| baoli | heyongli, let's give it a try. | 13:56 |
| baoli | irenab, sure. | 13:57 |
| irenab | can we try to put more details in tenants use cases and maybe add few (I think sadasu has some more) in coming days? | 13:57 |
| heyongli | baoli, sure i need a example to continue that without a interface | 13:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | irenab: +1 that approach, more tenant details, make it clear what their abstractions are | 13:58 |
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| baoli | irenab, let's work on that. | 13:58 |
| sadasu | irenab: +1 | 13:58 |
| irenab | baoli: great. If you can add some today, I'll continue tomorrow | 13:59 |
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| heyongli | follow this way | 13:59 |
| baoli | irenab, sure. | 13:59 |
| irenab | We can cover for 24 hours :-) | 13:59 |
| baoli | Thanks everyone. | 13:59 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| irenab | thanks | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 8 14:00:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-08-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-08-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-08-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
| sadasu | thanks...i'll also take a stab at adding some tenant use cases | 14:00 |
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| flaper87 | WHAT'S UP PEOPLE!?!?!?!?!?! Queue up, meeting is about to get started! | 15:01 |
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| alcabrera | I'm all out of queues | 15:01 |
| malini | I lay my claim | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | but that's okay | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | I have poptarts | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting | 15:01 |
| * alcabrera distributes the goods | 15:01 | |
| openstack | flaper87: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Marconi | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 8 15:01:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | stupid but, it ain't infer the meeting name from the noise we make | 15:01 |
| sriram | hah | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | argh, type systems to the rescue | 15:02 |
| sriram | o/ | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | What's up guys ? | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic roll call | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:02 | |
| flaper87 | \o/ | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | gungts gungts gungts gungts | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: malini sriram Obulpathi ? | 15:02 |
| sriram | o/ o/ o/ | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | >.> | 15:02 |
| Obulpathi | yep .. | 15:02 |
| malini | o/ | 15:02 |
| Obulpathi | Ii am here | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | < 3 | 15:02 |
| malini | kgriffs is in a shuttle with no wifi | 15:02 |
| malini | & wanted us to move the meeting if possible | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | #topic What to do with kgriffs | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "What to do with kgriffs (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:03 | |
| alcabrera | upgrade him | 15:03 |
| flwang | o/ | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | I say we tie him to his chair where he has enough internet access | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | that fixes everything | 15:03 |
| malini | clone him ? | 15:03 |
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| flaper87 | we leave him there and that's it | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | malini: +1 | 15:03 |
| alcabrera | HA kgriffs|afk v2.1.5 is the latest | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | malini: and what? Have 2 of them ? | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | ough, I'm now scared | 15:03 |
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| cpallares | lol @ meeting topic | 15:04 |
| malini | I didnt know they put the scare chip on flaper87 | 15:04 |
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| flaper87 | malini: for robots scare == "Loaded Guns" | 15:04 |
| alcabrera | fear not the catapult, for it leads to great heights | 15:04 |
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| sriram | robotic world domination..and it begins | 15:04 |
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| flaper87 | it's just a way to make humans understand that anything could happen when a robot is in that state | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs will read the best meeting logs EVER! | 15:05 |
| flwang | :-D | 15:05 |
| alcabrera | hahaha | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | anyway, lets see what we can discuss now and then we can call the meeting off until he is around | 15:05 |
| alcabrera | sounds good to me | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | I know he wanted to share some things | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | I won't be around after 18:30 my time | 15:05 |
| Obulpathi | sounds good | 15:05 |
| sriram | cool | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | #topic stop talking about kgriffs, Get back to business | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stop talking about kgriffs, Get back to business (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:06 | |
| alcabrera | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | there's business | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | twice | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | damn, you're so fast | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | ;) | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | (you can figure who's chairing the meeting from the topics) | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | anyway, moving forward | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | (so true) | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | so, Juno priorities | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-01-15.01.html | 15:06 |
| alcabrera | oh | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | actions | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | yes | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | wait, you ain't going to skip the last week actions | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | haha | 15:07 |
| * alcabrera tried, failed | 15:07 | |
| flaper87 | erm, 2 actions on me, lets skip this | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:07 |
| * alcabrera tried again, succeeded | 15:07 | |
| flaper87 | so, FAQ hangout: Checked | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | Sending the invite to the list: TotalFailure | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | ah well | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | malini: any news w.r.t Trusty and the gate ? | 15:08 |
| alcabrera | next time | 15:08 |
| malini | flaper87: Trusty doesnt come out till April 17, rt? | 15:08 |
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| alcabrera | that's right | 15:08 |
| alcabrera | we'll have to wait a bit more | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | #info Trusty lands on earth on April 17th | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | #question Will it be trustworthy ? | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | ok, bad joke and that tag doesn't exist | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | moving forward | 15:09 |
| malini | :D | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | #topic Juno priorities | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno priorities (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:09 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-juno-priorities | 15:09 |
| * flaper87 tries to parse that etherpad | 15:09 | |
| flaper87 | Lets all read it very quickly and see if it makes sense | 15:10 |
| * alcabrera begins scan | 15:10 | |
| flaper87 | and there goes malini, always thinking about tests | 15:10 |
| malini | :D | 15:10 |
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| alcabrera | so far | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | I'm pretty happy with it | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | except | 15:11 |
| sriram | what do the KPIs mean? in the etherpad? | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | "Efficiency improvements of stock drivers by X%" | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | I'm glad that's mark as a maybe | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | sriram: key perf indicators | 15:11 |
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| flwang | sriram: I think it's for new health endpoint | 15:11 |
| malini | sriram: Key Perf Indices | 15:11 |
| flwang | alcabrera: am I right? | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | flwang: yes, and possibly for new X/stats endpoints | 15:11 |
| sriram | flaper87,malini: Oh thanks. | 15:11 |
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| flaper87 | I'm not sure about the message pack stuff | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | that's kind of "underground-priority" for me | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: that's a maybe for me, too | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | see... | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | ok | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | we'd be juggling API v1.1 + | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | indeed | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | adding support for smart content-type handling | 15:12 |
| alcabrera | not an easy refactoring there | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | security test-suite | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | mmh, interesting | 15:13 |
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| flaper87 | not sure how important during Juno, though | 15:13 |
| malini | We should try to recruit some OSSG folks | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | I'd like to know what that means: what are we guarding against? Are we also going to monitor our logging to make sure no sensitive data goes out? | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | malini: +1 | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: re logging, yeah! | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | e.g., security unit tests for info leaks? | 15:13 |
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| flaper87 | I read that as: Have a test suite that does really simple Pen Test on the API | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | but that's kinda a full-time job | 15:14 |
| malini | we really need somebody in OSSG to tell us what will be acceptable | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | it really is. :P | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | anyway, we can figure that out later! | 15:14 |
| malini | flaper87: it is | 15:14 |
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| flaper87 | #info hire kgriffs to work on the security test-suite | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | The only thing I love when kgriffs is not around is that I can assign random things to him :P | 15:15 |
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| flaper87 | wait, I do that when he's around too | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | anyway, moving forward | 15:15 |
| alcabrera | w00t | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | yup | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | Any comments folks? | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | one more look | 15:16 |
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| flaper87 | If any, don't make them! | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | just kidding, add them to the etherpad | 15:16 |
| flwang | flaper87: do you think we need some effort for common openstack client? | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | we'll have to iterate on those again | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | flwang: I'm working on that already | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | k, I'm all good to continue | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | However, I'd like to keep client things separate from the server side things | 15:16 |
| sriram | The list looks good to me. | 15:16 |
| flwang | flaper87: you don't mention that never, cooooooooooooooool | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | since the client doesn't quite follow the server release cycle | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | flwang: I did mention it: $ openstack queue create YOYOY | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | remember ? | 15:17 |
| flwang | flaper87: got it | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving forward for real :D | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | #topic v1.1 proposed changes | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "v1.1 proposed changes (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:17 | |
| flaper87 | #topic pop tarts | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pop tarts (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:17 | |
| flaper87 | erm, I mean | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | #topic pop semantics | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pop semantics (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:18 | |
| * malini eager to learn more on tht | 15:18 | |
| flaper87 | I'm not sure what kgriffs|afk wanted to discuss here but I think we could start brainstorming a bit about the semantics of this | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | malini: you're assigned to that blueprint, right ? | 15:19 |
| malini | yes | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | #info malini will implement the pop endpoint | 15:19 |
| alcabrera | hurray! | 15:19 |
| flwang | haha | 15:19 |
| malini | But I would love us to discuss how it should look | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | if I don't see tarts comming out of the pop endpoints, I'll get REALLY MAD! | 15:19 |
| malini | :D | 15:19 |
| flwang | flaper87: +2 | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | malini: so, the whole idea is to "pop" messages out of a queue | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | The pop endpoint will work pretty much like the get endpoint | 15:20 |
| malini | yes..claim + delete in one | 15:20 |
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| flaper87 | the biggest difference is that it deletes the message | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | claim.limit(1).delete() | 15:20 |
| flwang | flaper87: and I remembered on key discussion point is if we need a new endpoint for that | 15:20 |
| malini | I thought we did not want a new endpoint | 15:20 |
| flwang | on/one | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | Didn't we? | 15:21 |
| * flaper87 forgot about that | 15:21 | |
| * flaper87 gets the blueprint | 15:21 | |
| malini | IIRC we want it be a param in an existing endpoint | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | not helpful (the blueprint) | 15:21 |
| * alcabrera looks at the spec | 15:21 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/api-v1.1-pop-operation | 15:21 |
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| alcabrera | currently: DELETE /v1.1/queues/{queue_name}/messages{?ids,pop} | 15:22 |
| alcabrera | it's a WIP | 15:22 |
| alcabrera | we still haven't reached consensus as to how to make it fit in the API | 15:22 |
| malini | alcabrera: where is the spec ? | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | oook, so I guess there's a GET ...../id{?pop} | 15:22 |
| sriram | I thought we were leaning towards having it in an existing endpoint. I thought it was documented by kgriffs somewhere | 15:22 |
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| flaper87 | I'm not fully against this *but* i think it'll make implementing other transports more difficult | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | Also, I read `pop` as a *command* | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | the lates I have | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | is | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/api/v1.1#Delete_Multiple_Messages | 15:23 |
| flwang | flaper87: yep, it's most like an action | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | otherwise it should probably be: GET .../id{?delete} | 15:23 |
| malini | hmm..from the link it is not a 'single message' pop | 15:23 |
| flwang | instead of a parameter | 15:23 |
| malini | flaper87: why is it a GET & not a POST ? | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | because it wouldn't be posting anything in the queue but rather getting things from the queue | 15:24 |
| alcabrera | it should be a POST, since it modifies state | 15:25 |
| alcabrera | GETs are idempotent | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | mmmh | 15:25 |
| alcabrera | pops delete | 15:25 |
| malini | hmm..but since we delete after the GET, tht will be weird | 15:25 |
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| flaper87 | see, another good reason to make it a separate endpoint | 15:25 |
| alcabrera | I'm very favorable towards an alt-endpoint | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | Do we support limit on deletes? | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | AH wait, now I get that DELETE thing | 15:25 |
| malini | flaper87: we need to give the ID on delete | 15:26 |
| malini | so tht wont work | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | I guess kgriffs|afk was thinking to re-use delete operations instead of adding a pop endpoint | 15:26 |
| malini | or maybe it will ? | 15:26 |
| Obulpathi | so, how do we make sure that client got the message? | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: in this case we don't care. It's up to the client | 15:26 |
| Obulpathi | if the server just returns the message and deletes it .. won't htat be a problem ... in case of unreliable communication? | 15:26 |
| Obulpathi | ok .. gotcha | 15:27 |
| malini | Obulpathi: tht is the trade off the app designer has to make | 15:27 |
| malini | you can either claim & delete - or pop | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: if the client needs that pattern (get & ack) then it has to claim 1 message and then delete it from the client side | 15:27 |
| Obulpathi | thanks flaper87 :) | 15:27 |
| Obulpathi | so a seperate endpoint means ?? | 15:27 |
| sriram | so pop cant delete a claimed message correct? | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | adding a new path to the API | 15:28 |
| malini | Obulpathi: a new API call | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | so, I think the idea of re-using delete is nice: DELETE /............/messages/?{pop} | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | e.g. | 15:28 |
| malini | sriram: it should pop a claimed message | 15:28 |
| malini | not* | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | something like: /v1/queues/{name}/messages/pop | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | Obulpathi: ^ | 15:28 |
| Obulpathi | ... instead of riding on the get ... | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | yup | 15:28 |
| Obulpathi | cool | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | "riding on the get" <- lol | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | I like that | 15:28 |
| Obulpathi | that would be clean ... rather than piggy backing on get | 15:28 |
| sriram | malini: understood, makes sense. | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | the tricky part | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | is | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | given RESTful design principles | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | an endpoint shouldn't be an action | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | /pop | 15:29 |
| malini | from http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html 'The DELETE method requests that the origin server delete the resource identified by the Request-URI.' | 15:29 |
| Obulpathi | so should we have something like POP URI? | 15:29 |
| malini | so pop on DELETE might not be a good idea | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | malini: good point | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | malini: not sure I follow | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | Obulpathi: no, since POP is not a valid HTTP verb | 15:30 |
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| flaper87 | ah | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | gotcha | 15:30 |
| Obulpathi | yep .. true .. new verbs are not good | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | I should have read the first part of your message too | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:30 |
| Obulpathi | :D | 15:30 |
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| malini | flaper87: DELETE /v1.1/queues/fizbit/messages?pop=5 we are not specifying what to delete | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | so, no good fit for DELETE | 15:30 |
| sriram | flaper87: pop=3, does not specify the actual resource URI to delete, I think thats what she is getting at. | 15:30 |
| * sriram must learn to type faster | 15:30 | |
| flwang | I think based on DELETE is more reasonable | 15:30 |
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| flwang | given alcabrera said | 15:31 |
| * flaper87 should learn to *read* everything | 15:31 | |
| Obulpathi | how about POST? | 15:31 |
| Obulpathi | nop ... | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | I guess it'll have to be a GET /pop | 15:31 |
| malini | POST /v1.1/queues/{queue_name}/claims{?limit, pop} | 15:31 |
| malini | ? | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | or post | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | POST reads wrong | 15:32 |
| malini | flaper87: why? | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | POST in the spec talks about creating a subordinate resource | 15:32 |
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| flaper87 | it's maybe just me: I read that as: posting (as in sending) stuff to the server | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | not getting / deleting stuff from it | 15:32 |
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| sriram | Then it has to be a GET | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: that's how the HTTP spec treats POST, yup | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | sriram: maybe, if we can express the notion of popping as idempotent | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | then GET /pop | 15:33 |
| malini | but it cannot be GET either, coz we delete it :( | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:33 |
| sriram | but I'm not 100% with this, as we are actually deleting stuff | 15:33 |
| malini | Thts why we need a new POP verb :D | 15:33 |
| * sriram creates a new verb | 15:33 | |
| * flaper87 kicks http rfc out of the window and just fucking votes for GET | 15:33 | |
| malini | I new that a few week early ;) | 15:33 |
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| malini | though it was coz of caffeine withdrawal | 15:33 |
| sriram | lol | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | GET might be the way to go | 15:34 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | so, here's the catch | 15:34 |
| sriram | what does the rfc say for GET? | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | sriram: pretty much that you can do anything with it, just be nice | 15:34 |
| * flaper87 ducks | 15:34 | |
| alcabrera | #link http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html#sec9.3 | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | sriram: ^6 | 15:35 |
| sriram | alcabrera: thanks for the link | 15:35 |
| malini | they dont say anything abt modifying it ;) | 15:35 |
| * sriram ninja reads | 15:35 | |
| flaper87 | to be fair, /pop is indeed getting stuff from the server | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | and sending it to the client | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | and it is an idempotent "action" | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | it does delete the resource, though | 15:35 |
| malini | but its like going to the museum & taking the painting with you | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | but I don't care much about that | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | (re deleting) | 15:36 |
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| flaper87 | malini: isn't that something good? | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | if you pop, you will always perform the same operation. pop n (x:xs) = x : pop (n-1) xs; pop 0 _ = []; pop _ [] = [] | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | you'd have a new paint (unless you brun it down) | 15:36 |
| flaper87 | burn* | 15:36 |
| * flaper87 votes for pop | 15:37 | |
| malini | flaper87: yeah..except for a new visitors & your photos in the news :D | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | erm, get pop | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | LOL | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | lol | 15:37 |
| malini | wonder what other queue implementations do | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | get very pop | 15:37 |
| flaper87 | #info we all pretty much agree on GETing POP-tarts out of the API instead of POSTing them | 15:37 |
| flwang | but GET is most like a READ-ONLY action | 15:38 |
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| flaper87 | #info kgriffs if you're reading this, please, run! Malini is thinking about stealing paints from museums | 15:38 |
| flwang | flaper87: not me :D | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | flwang: LOL | 15:38 |
| malini | maybe pop should just be a client operation? | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | malini: but we need to support it in the server too | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | I mean, have a way to actually pop the message | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | that's why I thought re-using DELETE was cool | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | because we could make pop a client side thing only | 15:39 |
| flwang | flaper87: so we not just tag the DELETE action? | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | but YOU destroyed my dream | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | :( | 15:39 |
| malini | mission accomplished :D | 15:39 |
| malini | now lets do whatever | 15:39 |
| sriram | hmm, interesting | 15:39 |
| flwang | we/why | 15:40 |
| sriram | so it now means the message is now gone in the clients view, but still exists on the server? | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | so, lets give it another week | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | malini: you can still work on it, we'll figure the verb out later | 15:40 |
| malini | sure..we can discuss it in #openstack-marconi | 15:40 |
| sriram | +1 | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | #info discuss the pop verb further | 15:40 |
| malini | I'll do some homework meanwhile | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | LOL pop verb | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | I pop, you pop, I popped, I pownped | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | etc | 15:41 |
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| flaper87 | I had pownped | 15:41 |
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| flaper87 | anyway | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | any other comment? | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | I'm all popped out | 15:42 |
| malini | not from me | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | #topic queue metadata | 15:42 |
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| flaper87 | So, there's a plan for removing queue metadata | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | any objections? concerns? | 15:42 |
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| malini | megan_w: ? | 15:42 |
| malini | She is away :( | 15:43 |
| flwang | because we're going to embrace the no-queue Marconi? | 15:43 |
| alcabrera | no objections from me, since the name can always be used as a proxy for queue metadata | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | flwang: that's one reason | 15:43 |
| flwang | flaper87: may I know the others :)? | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | flwang: just if you pay for them | 15:43 |
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| flwang | one cup of beer on the summit | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | flwang: so, other reasons are: 1) We're actually not using (violates YAGNI) | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | flwang: don't lie to me, you said you won't be there :( | 15:44 |
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| flwang | flaper87: it's not sure :D | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | 2) It adds more endpoints thatw e don't need | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | flwang: AWESOME! Then 2 beers | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | or wine | 15:45 |
| Obulpathi | I can pay for beer for you flaper87 | 15:45 |
| * flaper87 prefers wine | 15:45 | |
| flwang | my travel has been approved by IBM internal, but... you know that | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: w000000000000000000000000t | 15:45 |
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| flaper87 | I'll take beer if you pay | 15:45 |
| Obulpathi | for flwang too :) | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:45 |
| malini | yayy kgriffs | 15:45 |
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| flaper87 | ok, moving forward | 15:45 |
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| flaper87 | so, no concerns on that ? | 15:45 |
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| flaper87 | I'll be more than happy to remove it | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | any migration plan we should consider ? | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | yes, let's talk migration | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | so | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | What happens if some folks were using the metadata? | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | exactly | 15:46 |
| Obulpathi | so what is all in metadata btw? | 15:46 |
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| alcabrera | metadtaa is an opaque field attached to a queue | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | it's created using a PUT | 15:46 |
| flwang | flaper87: so as for 1) We're actually not using , who are 'we'? | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 15:46 |
| malini | Obulpathi: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/api/v1#Queue_Metadata | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: YOOOO | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | PUT /v1/queues/{name}/metadata JSON_THING | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | #chair kgriffs | 15:46 |
| openstack | Current chairs: flaper87 kgriffs | 15:46 |
| flwang | flaper87: marconi team or the marconi consumer? | 15:47 |
| Obulpathi | got it .. thanks for link malini | 15:47 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: glad to see you here! It's been lively today. | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | where did you end up on the pop thing? | 15:47 |
| malini | that must be a big chair :D | 15:47 |
| sriram | heh | 15:47 |
| malini | kgriffs: we didnt reach an agreement, & plan to continue the discussion in marconi channel | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | and.. did you discuss adding pop to the claim endpoint? | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | (instead of messages) | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | s/endpoint/resource | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | malini: ok | 15:48 |
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| sriram | kgriffs: new endpoint, deciding on the verb, all sorts of discussions | 15:48 |
| malini | we did & somebodyd didnt like it..I dont remember why (already) | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | ok, we can discuss further in #openstack-marconi | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:49 |
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| kgriffs | ok, so now we are talking about metadata | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yes sir! | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: you have to read the meeting logs after we finish | 15:49 |
| * flaper87 ducks | 15:49 | |
| kgriffs | heh, trying | 15:50 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: after, after :D | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | so, i think we were going to try and see if any Rackspace public cloud users were using metadata | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | soooo, I'm having this really evil idea of disabling metadata right away | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: good point | 15:50 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: that's where I'm leaning. ;) | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: :P | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | if it is pretty rare, or nobody is using it, we can remove it | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | rm -Rf /metadata | 15:51 |
| flwang | flaper87: so as for 1) We're actually not using , who are 'we'? | 15:51 |
| Obulpathi | why did we have it in the first place? | 15:51 |
| alcabrera | flwang: marconi consumers on the public cloud | 15:51 |
| flwang | flaper87: marconi team or the marconi consumer? | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | flwang: both? | 15:51 |
| alcabrera | flwang: e.g., like RAX Cloud Queues customers | 15:51 |
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| Obulpathi | ok | 15:51 |
| alcabrera | that's my concern wrt to metadata migration, if any | 15:51 |
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| sriram | disabling/removing metadata would be a first step towards making queues act like topics. | 15:51 |
| flwang | alcabrera: thanks, so after scan the RAX Marconi db, we can know that, right? | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | I don't think there's a really good path to migrate metadta | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | Obulpathi: gold plating, speculation. But we have had a hard time coming up with use cases for it. Some users may have some, though, which is why I want to do a sanity check. | 15:52 |
| flwang | haha | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | there's nothing to migrate | 15:52 |
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| flaper87 | that's more like: Put it somewhere safe because you ain't see it again | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: can we get that report by the next meeting? | 15:52 |
| Obulpathi | ok | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | wrt migration... | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | I was thinking, they can still set/get it via the 1.0 API | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | but the metadata resource simply won't exist in the 1.1 API | 15:53 |
| flwang | kgriffs: it make sense for me | 15:53 |
| Obulpathi | till when 1.0 will be supported? | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | yeah but deploying 2 versions of the API is not very nice | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | so, unless we are going to say you can only access queue X from the same API you created it, I think users can go back and forth | 15:54 |
| sriram | I agree | 15:54 |
| flaper87 | it gets really weird when you need to interact with the service | 15:54 |
| * flaper87 has done that with glance | 15:54 | |
| kgriffs | flaper87: agreed, but we have to for backwards-compat | 15:54 |
| flaper87 | also, the 1.0 and 1.1 are the same major | 15:54 |
| balajiiyer | kgriffs: yeah, I will try to get it for you. can you add an action item? | 15:54 |
| flaper87 | which makes it even weirder | 15:54 |
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| sriram | flaper87: good point | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | #action balajiiyer to get report on queue metadata usage by Rackspace customers | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | I would say, if we need to migrate (because there are folks using it) then, lets disable "setting" metadata on 1.1 and keep get | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | then we'll remove get | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | just to give people enough time to test other ways to maintain their queue metadata | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | that could work | 15:55 |
| malini | flaper87: +1 | 15:55 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:55 |
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| flwang | but we must release two versions before we deprecate it | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | that's a sane deprecation strategy | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | flwang: ssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | we would need to note in the docs that metadata is "Deprecated" and so is "read-only" in the 1.1 api | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | and rm it all together for v2.0 | 15:56 |
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| flaper87 | flwang: I would consider Ith and Jth as the 2 versions | 15:56 |
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| flaper87 | ok, we should open dicussion for 2 mins and then end the meeting | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | #topic open discussion | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:57 | |
| kgriffs | #note if we want to deprecate metadata, first make it read-only in 1.1 | 15:57 |
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| kgriffs | lazy-create I think everyone is cool with, right? | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | very | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: Fuck Yeah! | 15:57 |
| flwang | kgriffs: or is it possible to do survey for current RAX Marconi user? | 15:57 |
| sriram | Yep. I will be taking it up :D | 15:57 |
| * flaper87 wants to give Obulpathi a ver warm welcome to the team | 15:57 | |
| sriram | lazy-create i mean. | 15:57 |
| malini | anything lazy is good | 15:58 |
| sriram | Welcome Obulpathi :) | 15:58 |
| Obulpathi | thanks flaper87 ... | 15:58 |
| malini | Welcome again Obulpathi | 15:58 |
| Obulpathi | and sriram and malini too :D | 15:58 |
| malini | you get a sign on bonus - chocolate pop-tart | 15:58 |
| flaper87 | Folks, we need lot of community work so, get out there, give flyers away on your busses, make pizzas with Marconi's logo, etc | 15:58 |
| flwang | kgriffs: about if the metadata is really useful | 15:58 |
| flaper87 | and print the FAQ on those pizzas too | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | flwang: yes, balajiiyer will take care of that | 15:58 |
| sriram | I think we need to create pop-coin like bitcoin :P | 15:58 |
| flwang | kgriffs: instead of kicking our brain in our private channel | 15:58 |
| alcabrera | yes, welcome Obulpathi. :) | 15:59 |
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| Obulpathi | thanks alcabrera | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | flwang: I'm a big fan of talking to users more and speculating less, in general. :D | 15:59 |
| flwang | kgriffs: got it, it would be great | 15:59 |
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| kgriffs | so, malini will chair next meeting | 15:59 |
| flwang | kgriffs: cool | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | w00t | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | I will be traveling back from PyCon | 15:59 |
| sriram | go malini! :) | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: enjoy! :D | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | close | 16:00 |
| malini | we'll make sure to give kgriffs all the #action ;) | 16:00 |
| ametts | Ya'll watch out... malini is mean! | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | thanks folks! | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | tty next week | 16:00 |
| sriram | see ya | 16:00 |
| Obulpathi | tty next week | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 8 16:00:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-08-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-08-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-08-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| flwang | let's back to our channel | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: thanks for filling in for me! | 16:00 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: my pleasure | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:00 |
| sriram | kgriffs: make sure to read the logs | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 8 16:00:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-04-08_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:00 | |
| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford on lead guitar | 16:01 |
| roshanagr | Roshan Agrawal | 16:01 |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:01 |
| tomblank | tom blankenship | 16:01 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey | 16:01 |
| * mspreitz is lurking | 16:01 | |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: Feeling any better today? | 16:01 |
| stannie | Pierre Padrixe | 16:01 |
| paulmo | no | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: sorry, I hope you are better soon | 16:01 |
| gokrokve | Georgy Okrokvertskhov | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | datsun180b: lead guitar. Ambitious. Nice. | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | welcome everyone | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | After our BP updates today, I think we can claim official clearance of our M1 milestone | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | we are working on some screencast and announcements to share with our wider community by ML, and on solum.io | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | so next week, I should have an official such annoucement | 16:04 |
| roshanagr | This is an important milestone for Solum ! | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | We integrated Docker this past week, so our Heat templates can spin up containers super fast. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: indeed! | 16:05 |
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| paulczar | o/ | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | I'd like to focus our efforts between now and Atlanta on drawing down our bug list | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | welcome paulczar | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | I was just extending thanks for some of the work you have been wrapping up | 16:06 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: ditto +1 paulczar.... | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | our goal should be to shake out all our quirks and pay down tech debt. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | so that we have a really solid release for people to play with | 16:07 |
| paulczar | agreed! | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | in open discussion later in today's meeting I will ask about your thoughts on cutting a release | 16:07 |
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| gokrokve | Do we have all bugs triaged and assigned to M1 milestone? | 16:08 |
| rajdeep | will this be part of devstack as well | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | rajdeep: good question. We will have a plugin for Devstack. | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | we also have a vagrant box with the full setup on it | 16:08 |
| rajdeep | great | 16:08 |
| rajdeep | this will be very useful for developers to try out | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | but it does not need to be part of Devstack code to be tightly integrated there | 16:09 |
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| paulczar | the contrib/devstack provides the hooks to plugin and work with devstack | 16:09 |
| julienvey | what is the status of the reviews about getting docker driver in devstack ? | 16:09 |
| julienvey | does it work with the master branch ? | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: good question | 16:10 |
| paulczar | julienvey: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84839/ | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | let's park that one for general discussion and come back to that | 16:10 |
| paulczar | it's got a -1 which I've responded to … but no further action | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | •adrian_otto to open a bug for https://review.openstack.org/84116 (completed by stannie) | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | stannie, do you have a link to that one handy? | 16:11 |
| stannie | yes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1304479 | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | awesome, thanks | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | that was the only AI | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Mission Statement Review | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-mission Mission Drafts | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to allocate about 15 minutes for us to pour in our creativity here | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | One thing that I'd like to convey in the proposed Program mission is the desire to empower cloud operators with the tools to give great hosted services to their Application Developer customers. | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | so I will jump into the etherpad now and try getting that in. | 16:13 |
| mspreitz | I wonder about this one: enable a Netflix-like ecosystem of microservices | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | mspreitz: interesting. That indicates a bit of how, and a little less of what/why | 16:15 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: what about "...a toolset and services..." from gokrokve's proposal | 16:16 |
| rajdeep | shouldn't enterprises and private clouds also be considered | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | an ideal program mission would answer the What question, and allow you to quickly deduce Why | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | rajdeep: good idea. I will expand #2 accordingly | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | better now? | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | ^ rajdeep | 16:17 |
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| rajdeep | yes | 16:18 |
| roshanagr | The combination of 1 and 2 communicates the essence really well | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | I suppose we coudl combine them | 16:19 |
| tomblank | can we expand on 'easy to use'? | 16:19 |
| mspreitz | I myself always have a problem with the word "Application" when it is used without any clarifying words | 16:19 |
| rajdeep | solum | 16:19 |
| roshanagr | How about we reconsider use of "compelling" | 16:19 |
| mspreitz | "application" means so many different things | 16:19 |
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| rajdeep | is a unique combo or paas + devops | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: try substituting a few other words in there to see if alternates hit closer | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | mspreitz: indeed. I share that same concern. It's an overloaded term. Any ideas for another way to express that? | 16:20 |
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| tomblank | is one of the goals 'making application developers more productive'? if so, should that be in #1 possibly instead of 'easy to use'? | 16:21 |
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| paulczar | rajdeep: if I see the word devops in our mission statement my head will explode :P | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | tomblank: yes | 16:21 |
| mspreitz | adrian_otto:I think we mean here a pretty broad notion of application, and I know of no short way to clarify. At this point my suggestion is an additional sentence or two. | 16:22 |
| paulczar | would more efficient be better wording than more productive ? | 16:22 |
| mspreitz | E.g., if you take Cloud Foundry today, it's notion of app is too heavy weight to make CF good for a bunch of microservices | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | mspreitz: good point | 16:22 |
| tomblank | paulczar: sure, more efficient works for me... | 16:23 |
| rajdeep | mspreitz : how do we define micro services? | 16:25 |
| paulczar | mspreitz: talking to microservices could imply exclusion of people who build monoliths | 16:25 |
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| mspreitz | I do not think Solum should be exclusively for microservices. | 16:25 |
| mspreitz | Here is a piece on the word "application": http://martinfowler.com/bliki/ApplicationBoundary.html | 16:26 |
| mspreitz | I do not think we need one precise definition in mission statement | 16:26 |
| mspreitz | the mission is broad, right? | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, the mission is broad | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | we are approaching the timebox I set for this discussion item. | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | I really like the progress we make in these focused efforts | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | should we continue, or revisit this later? | 16:28 |
| paulczar | I like 'Developers' mentioned first | 16:28 |
| mspreitz | I'll just say this: if microservices is "how" not 'what' then the 'what' words should not lead into the too-narrow box that Cloud Foundry occupies | 16:28 |
| paulczar | Help developers efficiently consume openstack cloud services by empowering... | 16:28 |
| paulczar | s/services/resources/ | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | paulczar: copying that up to the etherpad | 16:29 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: Maybe you can set up a vote with a link with some propositions, and share the results next week ? | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | julienvey: we can. | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | Does everyone feel close? | 16:30 |
| datsun180b | think that's as much as i can add | 16:31 |
| mspreitz | Not seeing any words clarifying "application" ... but if we're out of time for now, then we are | 16:32 |
| roshanagr | I added this: Improve the ease of use experience and productivity for Application Developers on OpenStack clouds. Empower public and private cloud operators with tools and features needed to offer hosted services for running and managing cloud applications on OpenStack. | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | let's come back to this again in open discussion | 16:32 |
| rajdeep | how does solum provide tools to cloud operators? | 16:33 |
| datsun180b | how long has it been branded Open>S<tack? is that recent, or have i never noticed before? | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: since 2010 | 16:33 |
| rajdeep | e.g cloud foundry has bosh for managing the paas deployment | 16:33 |
| datsun180b | well geez | 16:33 |
| roshanagr | rajdeep: Solum could use Heat to provide the BOSH experience | 16:34 |
| paulczar | rajdeep: solum is an example of a tool we provide operators | 16:34 |
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| datsun180b | oh i'm just used to seeing the all-lowercase logo | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | Feel free to continue work in the etherpad for the mission | 16:34 |
| paulczar | BOSH installs cloud foundry | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | if you settle on a favorite, let me know about it here in IRC | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | and I will use that input to select a few choices for a focusing vote | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | #topic New Alternating Meeting Time | 16:35 |
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| rajdeep | i guess it helps in expanding list of nodes / also upgrade the version of cloud foundry | 16:35 |
| rajdeep | on a live environment which heat might not be able to do | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | I wold like to adjust our team meeting schedule so that on alternating weeks, the meeting time is later in the day. | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | we have contributors and core reviewers in practically every timezone range | 16:36 |
| paulczar | rajdeep: exactly … i think OOO, chef-openstack, puppet-opentack would be openstack equiv of BOSH | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | so no matter what meeting time we select, someone will be needing to be asleep, or away from work | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | to maximize our inclusion of those on the opposite side of the Earth, we could use the alternating time approach | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | so at least those impacted could attend on alternate weeks | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | a 7:00 PM US/Pacific (9:00 PM US.Central) time was our favorite the last time we considered this. | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | something like this: http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=5386785,6,2988507,1277333&h=5386785&date=2014-4-8&sln=19-20 | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | it would be the least convenient for our French contributors | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | on the alternating weeks | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | another option might be: | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=5386785,6,2988507,2174003&h=5386785&date=2014-4-8&sln=13-14 | 16:42 |
| paulczar | adrian_otto: can you add brisbane ( +10 ) to that ? | 16:42 |
| paulczar | oh the new one does | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | it's on the link above | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | it only holds 4 | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | that would be 1:30 am in India | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | so, assuming we vote on the alternate time... | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | and that we have some sensible way to weight the voting results so it's fair for those who attend regularly | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | does anyone have an objection to having a */2 week meeting that's potentially less convenient than now? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | and keeping this timeslot? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | (for the other */2 weeks) | 16:45 |
| julienvey | ok for us | 16:45 |
| stannie | ok adrian_otto | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I am going to take an action to set up a vote on that | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | and maybe we can count core reviewers with 2 votes? | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to propose a vote for a new meeting time for our ever-other-meeting schedule. | 16:47 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | and if it turns out to be too burdensome, then we can revisit it again | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Blueprints: https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/milestone-1 | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | we have three, so this should be quick | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/deploy-workflow Workflow outlining deployment of a DU (asalkeld/devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | tomblank | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | devdatta is out. | 16:49 |
| tomblank | sorry - devdatta is on holiday. i'll get an update and send it out. | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | who should update us on this? | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next one... | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull Pull integration of Solum from an external Git repo (kraman) | 16:50 |
| julienvey | I think we can mark this as implemented | 16:50 |
| julienvey | (the previous one) | 16:50 |
| datsun180b | agreed | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: the deploy-workflow? | 16:50 |
| aratim | yes this is complete | 16:50 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: yes | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will mark it as implemented right now. | 16:50 |
| julienvey | about git pull, it is also implemented | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will drip that from next agenda | 16:51 |
| julienvey | last review from aratim was merged this week | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | what about solum-git-pull | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | any remaining work on that one? | 16:51 |
| datsun180b | triggers aren't part of that bp | 16:51 |
| aratim | the trigger workflow is complete | 16:51 |
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| datsun180b | so as far as i can tell this one's implemented too | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | that's what I thought | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, next... | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging Logging Architecture (paulmo) | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | I put this one back in because I wanted paulmo to have a chance to comment on it. | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | we indicated last week that it should be considered done/done | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: do you agree? | 16:53 |
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| paulmo | uh, I'd probably need to look at code and such | 16:54 |
| paulmo | (and it depends on scope) | 16:54 |
| paulmo | We certainly aren't done with "logging" | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to follow up with paulmo to determine if https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging should be marked as Implemented | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: thanks. | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| julienvey | for next meetings, I think we should add new items to the blueprint reviews | 16:55 |
| julienvey | I see 3 now | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: youa sked about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84839/ | 16:56 |
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| julienvey | language pack in glance, plan in swift, and new version of the API (angus work) | 16:56 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: yes, thanks | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: on the subject of 84839, are you satisfied, or is there more to cover here? | 16:57 |
| stannie | do we all use the new workflow with bugs/tag for new features ? | 16:57 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: it's fine. Let's hope we can get this merged | 16:57 |
| julienvey | paulczar: how complicated is it to implement what sean propose ? | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | stannie: I am planning to use BP's but only for top level (epic) stories | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | all tasks will be bugs | 16:58 |
| stannie | ok | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | so we have a single task backlog | 16:58 |
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| stannie | great | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | and we will continue to use Wiki pages as a place for supplemental detail | 16:58 |
| paulczar | julienvey: doable … but a bit painful | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | we will try a few approaches with tagging to see what we like best. | 16:58 |
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| stannie | do we have a list of "external bp" that we should track ? | 16:59 |
| stannie | e.g bp in glance for metadata | 16:59 |
| paulczar | if I don't see any traction in the next few days I'll rewrite it as contrib/devstack in the solum repo and then we can control it ourselves until it goes somewhere | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | stannie: with might use a Wiki page for that | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | might be a convenient place to gather that stuff | 16:59 |
| stannie | ok | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | thakns everyone | 17:00 |
| tomblank | stannie: great suggestion. +1 | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 8 17:00:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-08-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-08-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-08-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| ruhe | time for Murano meeting | 17:01 |
| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 8 17:02:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:02 |
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| ruhe | murano folks, rise your hands in the air | 17:02 |
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| gokrokve | \o | 17:02 |
| katyafervent | Hi there | 17:02 |
| tsufiev | o| | 17:03 |
| ruhe | as usual here is our agenda | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | =^_____^= | 17:03 |
| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:03 |
| stanlagun | Oo/ | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | #topic AI review | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | there were no action items from the last meeting | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | we have only one common goal - release Murano 0.5 :) | 17:04 |
| ruhe | #topic Release status | 17:05 |
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| ruhe | ok. there are a lot of moving parts at this moment | 17:05 |
| ruhe | let's check on at a time | 17:05 |
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| xwizard_ | hi :) | 17:05 |
| ruhe | let's start from UI/Dashboard | 17:05 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: your turn. is it ready? | 17:06 |
| tsufiev | ruhe: yes | 17:06 |
| tsufiev | admin ui for AppPackages is working | 17:06 |
| tsufiev | and AppCatalog (userland) is working too | 17:06 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: awesome! | 17:06 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: did you mark all related BPs as "Implemented" ? | 17:06 |
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| tsufiev | there are some bugs still - e.g. Topology View doesn't work now, but we should fix them soon enough | 17:07 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe: not yet | 17:07 |
| ruhe | #action tsufiev mark all UI-related BPs targeted on 0.5 as complete | 17:08 |
| tsufiev | i'm waiting for our designer to say the final word | 17:08 |
| ruhe | #info UI/Dashboard is 99% ready | 17:08 |
| ruhe | ok. good news about dashboard. what about API? katyafervent your turn | 17:08 |
| katyafervent | All API calls are implemented, including search by custom words | 17:09 |
| katyafervent | need to be tested | 17:09 |
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| katyafervent | QA-guys, have you start API testing? | 17:09 |
| ruhe | xwizard_: what about QA for API? | 17:10 |
| xwizard_ | all automated tests already updated | 17:10 |
| xwizard_ | yes )) | 17:10 |
| xwizard_ | and we plan to add more test cases | 17:11 |
| ruhe | there are still some patches on review | 17:11 |
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| ruhe | for catalog testing in the gate | 17:11 |
| xwizard_ | for new API for services metadata | 17:11 |
| ruhe | #info API part is finished, need moar tests | 17:11 |
| katyafervent | Do you have tests on package search? | 17:11 |
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| xwizard_ | yes, we should wrie more tests for catalog part, now we have only possitive tests | 17:12 |
| xwizard_ | katyafervent: moment, I will check | 17:12 |
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| ruhe | #action xwizard_ add more tests for catalog API | 17:12 |
| xwizard_ | all tests foc catalog, which we have now https://github.com/stackforge/murano-api/blob/master/functionaltests/api/v1/test_repository.py | 17:13 |
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| katyafervent | May be we will need some more calls, such as adding categories but not for now | 17:13 |
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| xwizard_ | katyafervent: we have no tests for search action, we will add these tests | 17:13 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: maybe we should compose priority-sorted list of tests for xwizard_ to implement? | 17:13 |
| xwizard_ | we will implement all tests :) on this week we will implement first part of tests for new API | 17:14 |
| katyafervent | probably, we need, There are lot of use cases on packages search | 17:14 |
| katyafervent | cool) | 17:15 |
| xwizard_ | ok, let's discuss new API, what the most important tests we should automate on this week? | 17:15 |
| katyafervent | what's next in our agenda? | 17:15 |
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| ruhe | xwizard_: let's discuss and compose a list of tests for API in #murano | 17:16 |
| xwizard_ | ok | 17:16 |
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| katyafervent | well there are just several api calls, all of them need to be tested | 17:16 |
| ruhe | next and most interesting part is the Murano Engine | 17:16 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: stanlagun ^^ | 17:16 |
| xwizard_ | katyafervent: ok, we will add you to code review for new API tests | 17:16 |
| katyafervent | xwizard_, thanks | 17:17 |
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| stanlagun | engine is working. During last several days we've added support for object deletion and billing statistics tracking | 17:17 |
| sergmelikyan | Two major peaces of code are landed to repository, but during integration session we found several bugs from typos to some design flaws. | 17:17 |
| stanlagun | also integration between engine and deployment API was rewritten | 17:18 |
| tsufiev | stanlagun: speaking of UI for billing... | 17:18 |
| * sergmelikyan talked about package loader and object deletion | 17:18 | |
| tsufiev | afair, gokrokve wanted to implement it? | 17:18 |
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| ruhe | tsufiev: we can discuss that in the next topic | 17:19 |
| sergmelikyan | We expect to finish integration in a few days | 17:19 |
| tsufiev | ruhe: ok | 17:19 |
| ruhe | let's finish with the engine first | 17:19 |
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| ruhe | update from my side: patch for 'package import' is on review, i have couple of problems with SQLA, but they're solvable | 17:19 |
| ruhe | summary: most of the parts are finsihed, but they're not integrated with each other yet | 17:20 |
| ruhe | should take 1-2 more days | 17:20 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: tsufiev: stanlagun; sergmelikyan: agree? | 17:20 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, yep | 17:20 |
| stanlagun | lets hope | 17:21 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe: yes | 17:21 |
| katyafervent | hope so | 17:21 |
| ruhe | :) | 17:21 |
| ruhe | #info summary: most of the parts are finsihed, but they're not integrated with each other yet. optimistic estimate - should take 1-2 more days | 17:21 |
| ruhe | anything else on the release status? | 17:22 |
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| ruhe | ok. let's move on | 17:22 |
| ruhe | #topic Review blueprints | 17:22 |
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| ruhe | tsufiev: you can discuss UI/billing with gokrokve now and related blueprints | 17:23 |
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| tsufiev | gokrokve: are you here? | 17:23 |
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| gokrokve | yes | 17:23 |
| tsufiev | the first question is about UI for billing | 17:24 |
| gokrokve | I plan to make a draft today. | 17:24 |
| gokrokve | I have a page for API stats and I will add a new tab | 17:24 |
| tsufiev | nice ) | 17:24 |
| gokrokve | then during my night you can polish it -) | 17:25 |
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| gokrokve | again it will not have a nice css as Steve will work on it later | 17:25 |
| tsufiev | gokrokve: that was the second question :) | 17:25 |
| tsufiev | when Steve will be able to do it? | 17:26 |
| gokrokve | I will ask Steve to take a look today on existing pages | 17:26 |
| tsufiev | also, I have a little concern about usability of Current Environment selector | 17:26 |
| gokrokve | during this week he will finish, I think | 17:26 |
| gokrokve | Env selector is fine. W ecan remove it if necessary | 17:27 |
| tsufiev | the problem is that it is needed to open it to see what environment will the Application land in | 17:27 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: tsufiev: should we file a BP for this activity? | 17:27 |
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| gokrokve | I am more concerned about full flow as when I tried to deploy app with quick deploy it has errors | 17:27 |
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| tsufiev | gokrokve: what errors? | 17:28 |
| gokrokve | good question. I did not dug into the depth | 17:28 |
| gokrokve | Just saw error message in UI | 17:28 |
| tsufiev | ruhe: it was said that billing UI is too small and very simple to implement | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | gokrokve, we are working on this right now, we are debugging in realtime starting from 5 PM | 17:29 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: ok | 17:29 |
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| gokrokve | ok | 17:29 |
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| ruhe | anything else on billing UI? | 17:29 |
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| tsufiev | btw, team, what do you think about Current Env selection? | 17:29 |
| tsufiev | *selector | 17:29 |
| ruhe | #info gokrokve is working on billing UI | 17:29 |
| tsufiev | does it seem ok to you? | 17:30 |
| gokrokve | ok | 17:30 |
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| ruhe | let's review our "Not started" blueprints | 17:33 |
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| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/app-total-uptime | 17:33 |
| ruhe | stanlagun: should we drop it out of 0.5? | 17:33 |
| stanlagun | yes, I think we should | 17:34 |
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| sergmelikyan | ruhe, guys this BP is superseeded | 17:34 |
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| stanlagun | sorry, it is already implemented :) | 17:35 |
| stanlagun | I've joined several blueprints into one | 17:35 |
| ruhe | good | 17:35 |
| ruhe | now we also have three BPs related to app events | 17:35 |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/dsl-register-event | 17:36 |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/external-events | 17:36 |
| ruhe | #https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/api-list-events | 17:36 |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/api-list-events | 17:36 |
| ruhe | i would prefer to postpone these BPs to the next release | 17:36 |
| ruhe | we don't have time and we don't resources to finish them | 17:36 |
| katyafervent | Will murano still be MVP without them? | 17:37 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: any objections? | 17:37 |
| gokrokve | no | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, AFAIK they are don't included to MVP list | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | *no | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | *not | 17:37 |
| stanlagun | I was refering to those BPs when I said we should them from 0.5 | 17:37 |
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| gokrokve | we can add them in 0.5.1 | 17:38 |
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| gokrokve | in a month after 0.5 release | 17:38 |
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| ruhe | #action ruhe to move events BPs to the next release | 17:38 |
| ruhe | next one | 17:39 |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/app-catalog-billing | 17:39 |
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| ruhe | stanlagun: this BP is in "Started" state. will you be able to finish it in time? | 17:39 |
| stanlagun | it is finished from enigene's POV. gokrokve was going to finish UI part and then we close BP | 17:40 |
| ruhe | stanlagun: ok | 17:40 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: you should mention this BP in your commit message | 17:40 |
| gokrokve | ok | 17:41 |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/api-request-stats | 17:41 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: this BP is in "Started" state. will you have time to finish it? | 17:41 |
| stanlagun | probably the same as above | 17:41 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: maybe you should status to "Good progress" or "Beta avaialble" to avoid confusion? | 17:42 |
| ruhe | * change status | 17:42 |
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| ruhe | gokrokve: please confirm | 17:43 |
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| gokrokve | good progress is ok | 17:43 |
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| ruhe | #action gokrokve update status on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/api-request-stats | 17:43 |
| ruhe | ok. we covered all the BPs from the "red zone" | 17:44 |
| ruhe | anything else on this topic? | 17:44 |
| ruhe | btw, once we have something working, we might want to run short bug scrub | 17:44 |
| ruhe | maybe find log-hanging-fruits for newcomers | 17:45 |
| ruhe | *low-hanging | 17:45 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, it will be great! | 17:45 |
| ruhe | #action sergmelikyan don't forget about and schedule a bug scrub day | 17:45 |
| ruhe | ;) | 17:45 |
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| ruhe | let's move to the next topic | 17:46 |
| ruhe | #topic Open Discussion | 17:46 |
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| ruhe | folks, please step up if you have anything to discuss | 17:46 |
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| ruhe | i'll give 2 minutes for ideas to come up | 17:47 |
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| ruhe | i guess, folks are pretty tired already. we can finish the meeting and prepare for the next day :) | 17:50 |
| ruhe | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 8 17:50:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-08-17.02.html | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-08-17.02.txt | 17:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-08-17.02.log.html | 17:50 |
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| marios | how is it new? | 19:00 |
| jdob | o/ | 19:00 |
| jdob | DST | 19:00 |
| matty_dubs | \o | 19:00 |
| marios | ah | 19:00 |
| tzumainn | hiya | 19:00 |
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| tchaypo | Lack of DST here. It's DST for Ng though | 19:02 |
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| marios | tchaypo: where are you based? | 19:04 |
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| tchaypo | Stevenk and I are in Sydney | 19:04 |
| marios | i see, nice and early for you then | 19:05 |
| tchaypo | 2 hours west of lifeless when he's home | 19:05 |
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| tchaypo | Are SpamapS or lifeless around to lead the meeting? | 19:06 |
| marios | isnt lifeless in sunnyvale | 19:06 |
| tchaypo | Yeah, and probably busy | 19:07 |
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| slagle | i'll run it if no one objects | 19:07 |
| slagle | let me pull up the meetbot cheatsheet :) | 19:08 |
| tzumainn | no objection from me | 19:08 |
| matty_dubs | works for me! | 19:08 |
| GheRivero | pls go | 19:08 |
| tchaypo | Go for it :) | 19:08 |
| slagle | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 8 19:08:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slagle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:08 |
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| derekh | hi | 19:08 |
| slagle | #topic Agenda | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:08 | |
| akrivoka | hello | 19:08 |
| slagle | bugs reviews Projects needing releases CD Cloud status CI Insert one-off agenda items here open discussion | 19:08 |
| slagle | doh, failed at that | 19:08 |
| bnemec | heh | 19:09 |
| slagle | you get the idea, let's move on | 19:09 |
| slagle | #topic bugs | 19:09 |
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| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:09 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:09 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:09 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:09 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:09 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:09 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:09 |
| lifeless | oh nuts | 19:09 |
| slagle | incidentally, i was just triaging as we were waiting for the meeting | 19:09 |
| lifeless | I have this in my calendar for an hour later | 19:09 |
| lifeless | hi! | 19:09 |
| slagle | we had several untriaged bugs on tripleo :( | 19:10 |
| slagle | close to 10 | 19:10 |
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| slagle | lifeless: you want to take over? :) | 19:10 |
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| tchaypo | I can take a look at some of those after the meeting | 19:11 |
| lifeless | slagle: nooo | 19:11 |
| lifeless | slagle: I *do* very much want to talk about configs i nthe context of reviews | 19:11 |
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| lifeless | slagle: but I'm more than happy for you to run the meeting | 19:11 |
| slagle | lifeless: ack | 19:11 |
| slagle | so for the untriaged stuff, i did see a pattern on a few... | 19:11 |
| slagle | if you assign the bug to yourself, please triage it :) | 19:12 |
| slagle | set a priority, mark as in progress if you're working on it, etc | 19:12 |
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| slagle | unassigned crit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1304085 | 19:13 |
| slagle | derekh: you want that one ^^? | 19:13 |
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| derekh | slagle: yup, will take | 19:13 |
| slagle | unassigned crit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1304424 | 19:14 |
| slagle | i just triaged that, and marked as critical. but it needs an assignee | 19:14 |
| slagle | i actually think some of dprince's patches in queue may address it | 19:15 |
| slagle | around bringing the network stack back up | 19:15 |
| slagle | any volunteers? | 19:15 |
| rpodolyaka1 | I can check it tomorrow | 19:15 |
| slagle | thx | 19:15 |
| rpodolyaka1 | np | 19:15 |
| lifeless | so thats the openvswitch issue | 19:16 |
| lifeless | dprince: ^ - I haven't checked, but I gave pointers on what I would really prefer to see for Ubuntu, I haven't had time to try to write it up myself | 19:16 |
| slagle | is there a bug already opened? | 19:16 |
| lifeless | pretty sure, lets see | 19:17 |
| tchaypo | "The" openvswitch issue? | 19:17 |
| lifeless | bug 1272969 is part of it | 19:17 |
| dprince | lifeless: I left you a reply about that. | 19:17 |
| lifeless | dprince: oh cool; let me gohunt that down | 19:17 |
| dprince | lifeless: My choice was to go with what all the distro's do for openvswitch and let the bridge get destroyed | 19:18 |
| dprince | lifeless: and I would point out that not destroying the bridge is exactly why DHCP gets broken today on a reboot (thus my initial approach to use neutron-ovs-cleanup to work around this) | 19:18 |
| lifeless | dprince: wouldn't it be much simpler then to jut put the ovs db in tmpfs, if we're going to be stateless? | 19:19 |
| lifeless | dprince: It's really confusing to be half and half | 19:19 |
| dprince | lifeless: my take is this: everyone cleans up openvswitch ports on a reboot. We do it in openstack (aka. neutron-ovs-cleanup). So do all the distros via their init scripts (mostly so things are compatible with linux bridge perhaps). So why not us too? Especially since it doesn't cause any problems. | 19:20 |
| lifeless | dprince: my problem is that 'ifdown foo; ifup foo' will break neutron flows and thats non obvious | 19:20 |
| lifeless | dprince: its not the ports I'm concerned about per se - its the flows | 19:20 |
| dprince | lifeless: ifup/down manually might yes. But for that matter so would many things (like calling neutron-ovs-clean). | 19:21 |
| lifeless | dprince: what if we land your stuff to unbreak things and someone can work on revising it later - would you object if that happened ? | 19:21 |
| dprince | lifeless: no, in fact I put a session on for Atlanta to hash through this stuff | 19:21 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:21 |
| lifeless | so lets do that | 19:21 |
| dprince | lifeless: but before it lands we need to land the MAC addresses fix | 19:21 |
| dprince | lifeless: otherwise all the virtual dev environments are hosed | 19:21 |
| lifeless | dprince: thats in incubator right? | 19:22 |
| dprince | lifeless: yes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83867/ | 19:22 |
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| lifeless | ok, back to slagle :) | 19:23 |
| slagle | any additional bug business? | 19:23 |
| slagle | the other criticals all have assignees | 19:23 |
| slagle | i don't think we need to go through those individually unless folks are blocked on them... | 19:24 |
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| lifeless | agreed | 19:24 |
| slagle | #topic reviews | 19:24 |
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| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:24 |
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| slagle | sounds like we should have some new cores soon :) | 19:25 |
| Ng | \o/ | 19:25 |
| slagle | i think saw votes from most existing cores on the ML | 19:25 |
| slagle | there's 2 threads | 19:26 |
| slagle | so reply to both if you haven't yet | 19:26 |
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| slagle | #action lifeless to do core updates after everyone has voted | 19:27 |
| lifeless | the first thread is actioned | 19:27 |
| lifeless | since I know dan is already interested ;) | 19:27 |
| lifeless | the second thread is waiting for clear consensus from -core | 19:27 |
| lifeless | and then the folk to commit to 3/day | 19:27 |
| slagle | cool | 19:27 |
| lifeless | also | 19:27 |
| slagle | so, if you've been nominated, plz reply and say if you're willing to commit | 19:28 |
| vishy | o/ | 19:28 |
| jdob | lifeless: something formal or can I just say I'm good with that -- nevermind, I'll reply | 19:28 |
| lifeless | my brain melted doing the meta-review fo rthat, 3 hours or so of mass review reply reading | 19:28 |
| greghaynes | will do | 19:28 |
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| slagle | thanks jdon :) | 19:28 |
| lsmola2 | lol | 19:28 |
| jdob | :D | 19:28 |
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| jdob | better than the time I was called "jbod" for a good two week | 19:29 |
| slagle | we are about where we were last week in terms of Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 | 19:29 |
| slagle | Average wait time: 4 days, 13 hours, 32 minutes | 19:29 |
| slagle | oh no, scratch that | 19:29 |
| slagle | it was 3days last week | 19:29 |
| lifeless | given we had a massive CI fail last week, I'm not suprised | 19:29 |
| lifeless | we're clawing it back I think | 19:29 |
| lifeless | but this is actually what I want to talk about | 19:30 |
| slagle | yea, we feel back a bit | 19:30 |
| slagle | *fell | 19:30 |
| lifeless | for context | 19:30 |
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| lifeless | HP has a bunch of very experienced product folk spinning up on TripleO right now | 19:30 |
| lifeless | you may have noticed :) | 19:30 |
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| lifeless | many of their reviews are tied into expanding the configuration surface area | 19:30 |
| dprince | lifeless: is that where all the config changes came from! | 19:31 |
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| lifeless | now | 19:31 |
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| lifeless | every single one of those changes, more or less, is what HP is running in its existing, at scale configs, that are different to what tripleo delivers today | 19:32 |
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| lifeless | so I think we've got a big opportunity to pull together a consistent view of the delta between that particular production cloud and the defaults | 19:33 |
| lifeless | we've got a thread going at the moment on the list about the topic *in general* | 19:33 |
| lifeless | but I'd like to avoid us all churning around what to do with these options in the very short term | 19:33 |
| dprince | lifeless: who is going to work on this? | 19:34 |
| lifeless | I have a commitment from the teams manager that they'll work on the bigger picture in the medium term - but right now its a) killing us and b) killing them to get all these settings in play | 19:34 |
| * dprince is interested | 19:34 | |
| jdob | lifeless: when you say "product folk", do you mean people who have adminned OpenStack in the past? | 19:34 |
| lifeless | jdob: yes, folk who are running thousands of nodes of OpenStack right now :) | 19:34 |
| jdob | awesome, i'm psyched to have admin experience v. just a developer presence | 19:35 |
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| lifeless | so anyhow | 19:35 |
| matty_dubs | Indeed | 19:35 |
| lifeless | what I'd like to achieve is some way to get past this huge bloat of reviews | 19:35 |
| lifeless | and get back to incremental improvements - and put making a scalable config system a high priority post-bloat - since, as I said, I have committment from the management chain (up several levels in fact) that they're here fo rthe long term, working upstream on TripleO now. | 19:36 |
| lifeless | does anyone have thoughts on how we might do this? | 19:37 |
| lifeless | dprince: 'who will do the work' - review work is us; but work to make things better - the new folk are here to do such work | 19:37 |
| lifeless | dprince: their first order of business is essentially bringing across all the learnt experience - which is where this huge influx of stuff came from | 19:38 |
| Ng | lifeless: when you said avoiding churning earlier, do you mean you pretty much want to just get all the config changes landed? | 19:38 |
| lifeless | Ng: so right now we have nearly 200 open reviews | 19:39 |
| dprince | lifeless: right, I was more talking about proof of concepting some new config implementation to make configuring everything possible, without having to constantly review and keep our elements in sync | 19:39 |
| lifeless | Ng: and a review team that is able to give deep thoughtful reviews on all of that, but its going to take time to work through and make it all relly good and orthogonal | 19:39 |
| dprince | lifeless: if we do this right many of those could go away I think | 19:39 |
| lifeless | Ng: *and* there's the open-ended aspect we're talking about too which would make 95% of said reviews just Go Away | 19:39 |
| lifeless | dprince: yeah | 19:39 |
| lifeless | dprince: but we'll need something similar on the heat side too | 19:40 |
| slagle | i guess there is a question of how soon do they need support for what they've submitted landed? | 19:40 |
| lsmola2 | dprince: +1 | 19:40 |
| lifeless | dprince: as well as good consistent answers for when to make something part of the UI vs exposed plumbing | 19:40 |
| derekh | lifeless: are their more similar reviews to come or do we have the complete list ? | 19:40 |
| slagle | i don't want to see folks getting turned off by slow review times | 19:40 |
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| dprince | lifeless: on the heat side we could follow a model similar to what derek and yourself are doing for the CI environments... essentially allowing people to have their own site specific stuff that would get merge.py'd in | 19:41 |
| lifeless | slagle: they're suffering right now; aggressive deadlines internally, and caught on the other hand with 'work upstream' | 19:41 |
| lifeless | dprince: Ideally thats all tuskar really | 19:41 |
| slagle | ok, so why don't we just slog through the reviews that are out there in the short term | 19:41 |
| slagle | recognizing we have a problem, and there are some ideas that have been brought up on how to fix it | 19:42 |
| lifeless | so actually | 19:42 |
| slagle | but it sounds like those aren't likely to get implemented quickly enough to satisfy these folks? | 19:42 |
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| lifeless | what I'd like to do is find a volunteer - and those teams may well provide one - to implement a config pass through system and have us prioritise reviewing and approving that | 19:42 |
| dprince | slagle: I would like to be caution about top level element options because if we eventually remove them we may break compat for someone | 19:42 |
| lifeless | get that landed tomorrowish. | 19:42 |
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| lifeless | I was considering asking if folk would be open to landing stuff with a light touch, but I think it would be hard for them to post-review fix them up effectively - too easy to drop stuff through the cracks. | 19:43 |
| Ng | yeah I was just mulling around the idea of dropping the two-cores requirement for this specific set of reviews | 19:43 |
| lifeless | so here's my proposal - how about we : get *a* pass-through config system in place ASAP, with knowledge that its first gen and we can replace or fix it down the track. | 19:44 |
| lifeless | For both TIE and THT | 19:44 |
| lifeless | we say that for this bulk set of options they should all be done passthrough | 19:44 |
| lifeless | and the team will come back and help us(all ofopenstack) have better defaults in the medium term? | 19:45 |
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| slagle | i would be ok with that, as long as it's understood we may very well take a different route later on | 19:45 |
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| lifeless | The specific ask of the review team is to a) help get the passthrough thing in place and b) understand its form may change | 19:45 |
| derekh | lifeless: when you was "config passthrough", you mean a generic config option setter? sounds ok to me | 19:46 |
| jdob | and then close out the bulk of the open reviews instead of merging? | 19:46 |
| lifeless | derekh: e.g. dprince or my strawmans in the list thread | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | jdob: right | 19:46 |
| dprince | lifeless: my thoughts exactly | 19:46 |
| lifeless | jdob: there will be a bunch of reviews needed to enable the passthrough thing I suspect. | 19:46 |
| derekh | lifeless: ok, cool | 19:46 |
| jdob | i'm guessing this is implied, but their ambitious deadlines are ok with that? | 19:46 |
| lifeless | I believe so | 19:46 |
| dprince | lifeless: I was more or less asking who is going to do this initial pass through, and do we have an approach we like best? | 19:46 |
| jdob | assuming, like you said, it lands tomorrow/thursday | 19:46 |
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| lsmola2 | lifeless: sounds good | 19:47 |
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| lifeless | what do folk think of the config schema in my strawman | 19:47 |
| jdob | it'll certainly help flush out the generic one having so many use cases that quickly, and if they are ok with the few more days delay it sounds like a good plan | 19:47 |
| lifeless | - that is in my reply to dan ? | 19:47 |
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| jdob | i like the section nesting better than dot namespacing | 19:49 |
| lifeless | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/032183.html specifically | 19:49 |
| Ng | I think it makes sense | 19:50 |
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| dprince | lifeless: it looks like XML converted to JSON | 19:50 |
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| dprince | lifeless: why not my suggestion above it? | 19:50 |
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| dprince | lifeless: unless we are eventually going to go for XML too ;) | 19:51 |
| derekh | how about a generic inifile setter? if seems the examples in the mail will need knowledged of file locations etc... | 19:51 |
| lifeless | dprince: that requires more parsing and a new tool e.g. augeas, so it will replace the existing tempaltes - more work to bring in | 19:51 |
| lifeless | the vast bulk of the problem we have is openstack settings in openstack files we already know about | 19:51 |
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| slagle | lifeless: so just the adding those template lines you show in the mail to the existing templates, will produce the config options from your yaml example? | 19:52 |
| lifeless | slagle: I believe so | 19:52 |
| slagle | (just making sure i understand) | 19:52 |
| dprince | lifeless: or, we could have a simple glue layer which auto-templatizes the upstream example config (nova.conf.sample for example) | 19:52 |
| slagle | yea, that's rather slick actually | 19:52 |
| lifeless | slagle: shove them down the bottom of the file | 19:52 |
| dprince | lifeless: and with the glue we have our way with the config format | 19:52 |
| slagle | lifeless: but what about the heat templates? you still need all the yaml there? | 19:53 |
| derekh | wont we end up adding multiple DEFAULT sections? | 19:53 |
| lifeless | derekh: I'm fairly sure iniparser doesn't care about that, I'd need to check. We can of course translate our *current* stuff in heat into the schema and have templates htat are solely this format | 19:54 |
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| lifeless | derekh: which avoids that problem. Implw | 19:54 |
| derekh | lifeless: ok | 19:54 |
| lifeless | slagle: thats why we need a passthrough for heat too | 19:54 |
| lifeless | slagle: which I'll nab e.g. stevebaker or SpamapS on in a few minutes | 19:54 |
| slagle | ok | 19:54 |
| slagle | well, i'm fine with reviewing this stuff lightly so it can be fast tracked | 19:55 |
| lsmola2 | so am I | 19:55 |
| slagle | oh...but still want to see passing CI though | 19:55 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:55 |
| lifeless | thank you! | 19:55 |
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| dprince | slagle: review what stuff lightly, the stuff up for review now? or the stuff we are going to do for pass through? | 19:56 |
| lifeless | dprince: I think those options are ones to explore for a rework later, which as I said - I have folk tagged to do whatever remedial work we need for helping them through this hump | 19:56 |
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| slagle | dprince: the pass through | 19:57 |
| dprince | lifeless: sure, fundamental work... | 19:57 |
| Ng | we're down to 3 minutes btw, do we have anything else we want to squeeze in to the meeting? | 19:57 |
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| lifeless | do we have enough consensus or should I raise this on the list ? | 19:57 |
| lifeless | or both ? | 19:57 |
| slagle | list would still be good, for absent folks | 19:58 |
| slagle | i'd think | 19:58 |
| lifeless | action for me | 19:58 |
| slagle | #action lifeless to mail ML about short term config pass though | 19:58 |
| slagle | Ok, any other business in 2 minutes? | 19:59 |
| tzumainn | Hey, if anyone was able to look at the tuskar proposal for Juno mentioned in an upstream email - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/032034.html - that would be greatly appreciated! | 19:59 |
| ccrouch | slagle: releasing the things? | 19:59 |
| slagle | tzumainn: indeed! | 19:59 |
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| slagle | ccrouch: oh yes | 19:59 |
| slagle | i will release this week | 19:59 |
| jistr | tzumainn: still have that sticky note on my screen, sorry :( | 19:59 |
| Ng | new ssl certs for ci/cd overcloud endpoints are on the way. just waiting for the verification/processing. I guess all the ssl registrars are pretty busy today ;) | 19:59 |
| slagle | need to bump the .Y's now that the stable branches are setup. | 19:59 |
| tzumainn | jistr, lol, no worries | 19:59 |
| jdob | Ng: that's an understatement :) | 19:59 |
| slagle | #action slagle to release the things | 20:00 |
| slagle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/032034.html | 20:00 |
| slagle | thanks everyone, plz continue in #tripleo. sorry for the rush at the end | 20:00 |
| marios | goodnight tripleo | 20:00 |
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| slagle | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 8 20:01:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-08-19.08.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-08-19.08.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-08-19.08.log.html | 20:01 |
| lifeless | thanks slagle ! | 20:01 |
| lifeless | sorry for the massive sidetrack there :) | 20:01 |
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| lsmola2 | thanks, have a great week | 20:01 |
| tzumainn | thanks all | 20:01 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | thanks all, good night! | 20:01 |
| jistr | good night | 20:01 |
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| jcoufal | good night | 20:07 |
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