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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 7 13:00:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| beagles | o/ | 13:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| baoli | hi | 13:00 |
| irenab | hi | 13:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hi | 13:01 |
| baoli | John, welcome | 13:02 |
| irenab | Hi John! | 13:02 |
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| baoli | What do you guys want to go over for this last meeting before the summit? | 13:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | is everything ready for summit session? etherpad all prepared? | 13:03 |
| irenab | I think we need to be sure that all topics we want to discuss are on the etherpad | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | you got the link? | 13:04 |
| baoli | irenab did a good job on the etherpad | 13:04 |
| baoli | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pci_passthrough_cross_project | 13:04 |
| irenab | Do we want to set a time for meeting before the session? Monday morning or other day during key notes? | 13:04 |
| sadasu | baoli: did you startmeeting? | 13:05 |
| baoli | sadasu, yes | 13:05 |
| irenab | I would like to discuss the scope for the nova-spec we are currently blocked with -2 | 13:05 |
| sadasu | topic hasn't changed for me | 13:05 |
| irenab | sadasu: there was some automatic zuul announcment that messed the topic | 13:06 |
| sadasu | ok...got it | 13:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | so on the etherpad… did you want to give a description of the problems you are trying to solve? | 13:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and agree on those | 13:07 |
| sadasu | back to nova pec | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | it seems to dive into the details quite a lot | 13:07 |
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| irenab | shall we start with naive case were all VM vnics are SRIOV is VM flavor defines so? | 13:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, just all nics are SRIOV would do | 13:08 |
| irenab | ^if defines so | 13:08 |
| sadasu | also, I think it has been proven that the choice of nic_type sriov and macvtap isn't working | 13:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | then look at flow between nova and neutron | 13:08 |
| sadasu | the nova spec comments clearly asks for a level of indirection where we use diff terms to identify vnic_types | 13:09 |
| irenab | sadasu: currentl with pre created neutron port, I can create VMs with both SR-IOV and OVS based vNICs, which is quite cool | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, but I am not sure we agree the basics yet | 13:09 |
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| irenab | john: this is works without changing nova apis | 13:10 |
| baoli | John, what basics in your mind that we should discuss on? | 13:11 |
| irenab | I think to make some progress, we can srtart with the basic case that per VM all vnics can be either SR-IOV or non SR-IOV | 13:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | baoli: I am thinking just the basic SRIOV use case of all nics are SRIOV | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | nova and neutron interaction specifying whats going on, etc | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | how nova picks the correct host with the request network the user wants, etc | 13:12 |
| baoli | john, in that case, all we need to do is to remove the user CLI change, and add a config to say all nics are SRIOV or not | 13:13 |
| baoli | all the other changes would remain the same. | 13:13 |
| irenab | john: agree with baoli, seems that setting it on VM flavor layer can work here | 13:13 |
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| baoli | irenab, I think john is talking all sriov across a cloud | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | across the whole cloud | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | then lets look at the next options | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | we already have to pick the correct network, as requested by the user, etc | 13:14 |
| irenab | I do not lkie this case so much, too limiting. Why not do it per VM? | 13:14 |
| baoli | john, like I responded in the comments, even picking up the right network is not specific to SR-IOV | 13:15 |
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| beagles | the idea.. correct me if I am wrong... is that provides a simplified case in which we can work out the details of nova/neutron coordination, implement the vif driver level details etc, and focus on the user-facing details as an independent aspect | 13:15 |
| sadasu | irenab: agree with you...but lets use this use case to completely figure out the part where Nova picks the correct physical network... | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | baoli: OK, but usually all networks are available everywhere, if you use virtual networking | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | baoli: SRIOV is very much more restrictive | 13:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | baoli: we can scope that out if we want, assume all networks are everywhere, but that feels wrong | 13:16 |
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| sadasu | johnthetubaguy: yes because of its dependency on physical network connectivity | 13:16 |
| baoli | john, so can we assume that all the networks are avaialble on all the hosts? | 13:17 |
| irenab | john: except for limited number of VFs, I do not see major limitations compared to virtual networking. For virtual networking, Host should be connected to appropriate physicalnetwork | 13:17 |
| sadasu | johnthe tubaguy: then we are essentially describing the virtual port case | 13:17 |
| irenab | with ML2 plugin, port won't be bound if host is not connected to physical network | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | well its the limited number of VFs I was worried about, its a consumable port | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, we have to co to the correct host though, I thought, but anyway, clearly this is not a useful discussion | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets move to something else | 13:18 |
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| irenab | I feel we are stuck till we agree on basic case to cover | 13:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am thinking the simple case should be all NICs are SRIOV | 13:19 |
| irenab | shall we start with HPC like cloud => all vnics are SR-IOV? | 13:19 |
| sadasu | I think we are all willing to start with a admin specified setting for vnic_type that applies to the entire cloud | 13:19 |
| irenab | but still, I think it is not real world case | 13:20 |
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| sadasu | irenab: agreed...starting point | 13:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I added 4 use cases on the bottom of the etherpad | 13:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | do they look "correct"? | 13:21 |
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| irenab | john: looks ok for me | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | ? | 13:24 |
| sadasu | didn't quite get #3 | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | wondering if I missed a case | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | sadasu: is that better? | 13:25 |
| irenab | for #1, if the only mechanism driver in ML2 plugin is SR-IOV, this will be resolved by neutron | 13:25 |
| baoli | John, regarding case 2, how do you define slow versue fast? | 13:25 |
| sadasu | johnthetubaguy: what about the case where a VM wants a virtual and Sr-iov port for the same VM | 13:25 |
| sadasu | ...diff from the bonded case | 13:25 |
| irenab | sadasu: +1 | 13:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sorry, 2 was not clear | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | that is the SRIOV and virtual on the same server | 13:26 |
| irenab | john: probaly #3 is not required, it maybe temporary solution till api is converged | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | irenab: I agree, but I wanted to raise it, so we reject it | 13:27 |
| sadasu | about #3, I think we could potentially end up with lots of flavors...knobs are physical network, # sriov ports, type of sriov ports, # of virtual port | 13:27 |
| sadasu | might be confusing to the user | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | sadasu: agreed, its stupid, but we need to discuss it to exclude it | 13:28 |
| sadasu | ok....got it :-) | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | it seems like the "obvious" way to do this, till you think about the details | 13:28 |
| baoli | john, for case 2, if it's one to one mapping, why use another level of indirection? | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | baoli: because the user shouldn't know about the implementation | 13:29 |
| irenab | so the main question is what details we want tenant to be exposed to? | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | and you might want three types | 13:29 |
| baoli | then why not choose the right term in the first place? | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | baoli: I don't get your point? | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | what term would you prefer? | 13:30 |
| baoli | if it's one to one mapping: slow - virtual, fast - sriov, | 13:30 |
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| irenab | john: maybe you can sync us with your vision for volume type like approach? | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, the user gets to choose between some set of labels for the different types | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | the admin gets to choose what that really means | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | so it could be, virtual, 1Gb SRIOV, 10Gb SRIOV | 13:31 |
| baoli | john, in our case, the user wants to choose sriov versus non-sriov ports | 13:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | baoli: OK, but the user being so "savvy" shouldn't be the assumed case I think | 13:32 |
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| baoli | john, like I responded in the spec's comments, 1G versus 10G is not specific to SR-IOV | 13:32 |
| irenab | Do you suggest admin creates nic types defined with some lable exposed to tenant? | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | we spoke before about many other users for that indirection, it seems a shame not to add it | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | irenab: basically, yes | 13:32 |
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| irenab | other details that should be used for scheduling is associated by admin but not exposed to the tenant? | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 13:33 |
| baoli | I think that we should consider what we need to solve specifically for SR-IOV networking, not to be confused with some general issues (or functionationlities) | 13:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so you could have two different vendors of things, all under and single label, if we wanted to do that, without changing the end user API | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | baoli: this API will live for ever once we add it, we have to get that right | 13:34 |
| baoli | john, agreed on that. | 13:34 |
| baoli | john, does the admin care about choosing vendors? | 13:34 |
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| baoli | John, or even normal user cares about choosing vendors when using sr-iov technology | 13:35 |
| irenab | baoli: it may be reasonable if different vendors can be part of the same deployment | 13:35 |
| baoli | do we talk about vendors when using non-sriov networking | 13:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, its more the ability not to choose that worries me, but I think we are crossed wires here | 13:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets roll back a little bit | 13:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | do we agree with the use cases as they are now? (ignoring how we implement them) | 13:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | they seem valid | 13:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, wait, I remember | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the macvtap vs direct vs virtual | 13:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that is an admin choice I feel | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | macvtap vs direct | 13:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | the user wants "slow" vs "fast", in their view of the world | 13:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | unless they happen to know how hypervisors, work | 13:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | in which case you just change the labels to "SRIOV" vs "Virtual" | 13:38 |
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| baoli | john, do we assume that all three types can coexist in the same cloud? | 13:39 |
| irenab | john: so to start with #2, nic type with single key holding vnic_type will be enough? | 13:39 |
| irenab | baoli: I think they may coexist in the same VM | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, same VM | 13:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | irenab: yeah, I think vnic_type just being a string passed to Nova, might do the trick | 13:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | irenab: ideally needs to be scoped, etc, but yeah, thats all | 13:40 |
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| irenab | case #1 is actually equivalent to monolitic neutron SR-IOV plugin case (pre ML2 plugin) | 13:41 |
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| irenab | john: just to understand what you have in mind, do you cuggest new model object "nic type" or vnic_type as parameter of --nic? | 13:42 |
| irenab | ^suggest | 13:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | irenab: right, or ML2 configured with a single type | 13:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | irenab: I don't know, I think vnic_type param would do the trick | 13:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | irenab: I worry more about expressing what the user wants at this point | 13:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | irenab: and making sure we capture the "problem" we want to solve | 13:43 |
| baoli | john, if we want to add other information such as vendor, port bandwidth, etc, another level of indirection may make sense. However, same thing would apply to non-sriov ports as well. | 13:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | baoli: yes, it probably does, this is just one use of it | 13:45 |
| baoli | john, if we agree with that, then we should have a common solution for both sriov and non-sriov ports for those | 13:45 |
| irenab | seems to me that currently we have an option to request vnic_type via neutron port passed to nova boot command. | 13:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, probably, I don't totally get the other use cases | 13:46 |
| baoli | then what's unique to sriov is the number of VFs. | 13:46 |
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| baoli | And if we don't care about mis-scheuling, the number doesn't matter | 13:46 |
| irenab | for proper way to request vnic_type via nova api, we probably need 'nic type' | 13:47 |
| baoli | I mean the limited number of VFs doesn't matter | 13:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I added another use case | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | as #3 | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think that relates quite a lot to the ML2 case | 13:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | how does it look? | 13:49 |
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| irenab | I am not comfortable with admin decides per network what vnic user gets, it may serve as default if tenant does not specify | 13:53 |
| baoli | I actually don't quite understand 3 & 4 | 13:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | so #3, as it is now | 13:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | user picks there networks as they do today | 13:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but admin gets to pick that public network is SRIOV, vs all private networks are implemented using OVS, say | 13:55 |
| baoli | john, that sounds good to me | 13:55 |
| sadasu | we have 5 mins, can we quickly decided when to meet during the summit? | 13:55 |
| sadasu | Monday? | 13:55 |
| beagles | johnthetubaguy, just spitballing, but you are conceptualizing a progression of functionality (ie. a way we can incrementally implement things) or a use case that will be supported "forever"? | 13:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | #4, user picks between medium.SRIOVnet vs medium.regularNET | 13:55 |
| beagles | s/you are/are you/ | 13:55 |
| irenab | Monday works for me | 13:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | I fear I would be tied up all Monday | 13:56 |
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| irenab | Tue during keynotes? | 13:56 |
| sadasu | johnthetubaguy: what would be a good time for you? | 13:57 |
| sadasu | and beagles? | 13:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sadasu: there probably isn't one I am afraid | 13:57 |
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| sadasu | lunch time? | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | beagles: i was hoping to agree something of the end goal, so we can see how to step towards that | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | beagles: so the hope is for both | 13:58 |
| beagles | johnthetubaguy, cool | 13:58 |
| irenab | it would be good to set expectations from the summit session: scope and work items assigment, right? | 13:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | irenab: agreeing the problems we want to solve would be good, so scope yes | 13:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | I really want to see things move forward in Juno, this is the chance really | 13:59 |
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| irenab | sadasu: lunch time will work for me | 13:59 |
| sadasu | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 13:59 |
| baoli | john, I think that we all share the same goal | 13:59 |
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| sadasu | I was really hoping to have some whiteboard/unconference type session | 14:00 |
| irenab | sadasu: +1 | 14:00 |
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| irenab | let's try to converge on meeting time before the session over ml? | 14:00 |
| sadasu | agreed. | 14:01 |
| baoli | sounds good to me | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | looking forward to the session, anyways, will be good to hash this out in person | 14:01 |
| sadasu | +1 | 14:01 |
| baoli | I guess that we'll see each other in the summit then | 14:02 |
| irenab | sadasu: can you please send out an email? | 14:02 |
| sadasu | ok...I am afraid it will just be the usual culprits (3 of us) responding :-) | 14:02 |
| irenab | thanks all! I I need to go, see you in the summit | 14:03 |
| baoli | thanks everyone | 14:03 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 7 14:03:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-05-07-13.00.html | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-05-07-13.00.txt | 14:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-05-07-13.00.log.html | 14:03 |
| sadasu | thanks for the use cases everyone | 14:04 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:00 |
| mrsmith | Swami: howdy | 15:00 |
| Swami | mrsmith: hi | 15:00 |
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| xuhanp | hello | 15:00 |
| Swami | xuhanp: hi | 15:01 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 7 15:02:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:02 |
| Swami | #topic Agenda | 15:02 |
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| Swami | 1. DVR Update | 15:02 |
| Swami | 2. Altanta Summit Planning | 15:03 |
| Swami | I do have only two topics today for discussion, if you have any other topic that you wanted to discuss please let me know. | 15:03 |
| Swami | xuhanp: Do you have any topic that you wanted to discuss | 15:04 |
| xuhanp | Swami, nope, just want to let you know I replied your question about SQL | 15:04 |
| xuhanp | :D | 15:04 |
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| Swami | xuhanp: Yes I got your message, but I did not try it out, I will try it out and let you know. | 15:04 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:05 |
| xuhanp | sounds great. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:05 |
| Swami | xuhanp: are you planning to attend the Atlanta summit | 15:05 |
| xuhanp | Swami, unfortunately I won't | 15:06 |
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| Swami | xuhanp: Just checking. thanks. | 15:06 |
| xuhanp | but I will try to catch what you guys have discussed | 15:06 |
| Swami | 1. DVR Update | 15:06 |
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| Swami | On the plugin side, we are doing some refactoring and also finishing up the SNAT part. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | pcm_:hi | 15:08 |
| Swami | banix; hi | 15:08 |
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| banix | Swami: hi | 15:08 |
| Swami | I had one comment that I wanted to address, xuhanp is helping in refining the queries so that we don't have two many queries. | 15:09 |
| banix | Swami: ok | 15:09 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: On the plugin side I have also addressed your comments, about run a "for loop" within the sync_data call. | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll take a look at your new patch. | 15:10 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I have not pushed it yet, I will push it today or tomorrow. | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll watch out for it. Thanks for the heads up. | 15:11 |
| Swami | I need to add some more code for the SNAT work that I did, so I will push it along with it. | 15:11 |
| Swami | That's all I had for the plugin side. | 15:11 |
| Swami | mrsmith: are you there | 15:11 |
| mrsmith | yep | 15:11 |
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| mrsmith | for l3-agent we are almost done with SNAT | 15:12 |
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| Swami | #topic L3 Agent | 15:12 |
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| Swami | mrsmith: Good progress | 15:14 |
| mrsmith | yep | 15:14 |
| mrsmith | once we have basic SNAT done | 15:14 |
| Swami | Anything else that you wanted to add or wanted to discuss with the community at this time. | 15:14 |
| mrsmith | we'll have E/W and N/S | 15:14 |
| mrsmith | our next step will be moving the icehouse-GA | 15:14 |
| Swami | Great!. | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | and since there were more changes to FIPs there | 15:15 |
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| mrsmith | we'll have to refactor/integrate a bit agagin | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | *again | 15:15 |
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| mrsmith | then I'll update the WIP code | 15:15 |
| Swami | One other thing that we wanted to make sure after we are done with the E/W and N/S we should also update the "HowTo Wiki". | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | ah... true | 15:16 |
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| viveknarasimhan | hi Swami | 15:16 |
| Swami | mrsmith: Thanks for the update | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | np | 15:16 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: hi | 15:16 |
| Swami | #topic L2 Agent | 15:16 |
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| Swami | Vivek can you provide an update on the L2 Agent | 15:17 |
| viveknarasimhan | yes | 15:17 |
| viveknarasimhan | i got the 2nd patch set working | 15:17 |
| viveknarasimhan | and i had problems getting dependencies sorted out | 15:17 |
| viveknarasimhan | Carl helped me to get that done. Thanks to carl | 15:17 |
| viveknarasimhan | today i will be pushing the second patchset with | 15:17 |
| viveknarasimhan | most of the Unit Tests running | 15:18 |
| viveknarasimhan | further i worked on few fixes to l2-pop side of ovs agent | 15:18 |
| viveknarasimhan | which i need to push upstream as well | 15:18 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Thanks for the update. | 15:19 |
| Swami | Have you filed bugs on the l2-pop | 15:19 |
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| Swami | viveknarasimhan: If you have filed those bugs, please go ahead and file the bugs and then push your code. | 15:20 |
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| Swami | Murali: hi | 15:20 |
| Murali | Hi Swami | 15:20 |
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| viveknarasimhan | hmm. | 15:21 |
| viveknarasimhan | i took one bug | 15:21 |
| viveknarasimhan | patch by Sylvain | 15:21 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Anything else you want to share. | 15:21 |
| viveknarasimhan | for the new issue which i have fix, i'll file bug on L2-POp 'tip' code | 15:21 |
| viveknarasimhan | and send it for review | 15:21 |
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| Swami | viveknarasimhan: You mentioned about the "CLI" command to show all the port-bindings. | 15:21 |
| viveknarasimhan | yes, we can request community here on if that is required | 15:22 |
| Swami | can you elaborate on that to the community, | 15:22 |
| viveknarasimhan | ok | 15:22 |
| Swami | Yes, so that we can plan for that. | 15:22 |
| viveknarasimhan | IN dvr . the interfaces of DVR are replicated across multiple nodes. | 15:22 |
| viveknarasimhan | These replicated dvr interface ports are now stored in a new binding table | 15:22 |
| viveknarasimhan | ml2_dvr_port_bindings inside the ml2 db | 15:23 |
| viveknarasimhan | since given port has only one binding, normal port binding info is shwon already kn port-show command today in Openstack | 15:23 |
| viveknarasimhan | what we are planning for is to enhance this 'neutron port-show' | 15:23 |
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| viveknarasimhan | command to show the replicated port binding info for DVR interface ports as well | 15:24 |
| Swami | I think the question to the sub-team, will this be helpfull for the cloud admins or will it be too much of information. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | It is going to be more number of lines for a single port-show with the additional port-binding. | 15:25 |
| xuhanp | Swami, I think it will be helpful | 15:26 |
| viveknarasimhan | yes correct | 15:26 |
| viveknarasimhan | +1 with xuhanp | 15:26 |
| scott-millward | Helpful for troubleshooting if nothing else +1 | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | +1 | 15:26 |
| viveknarasimhan | as these lines will show which replicated ports are ACTIVE and which are DOWN as well | 15:26 |
| Swami | xuhanp: scott: carl: thanks | 15:27 |
| Swami | agreed | 15:27 |
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| Swami | vivek: you can go ahead and implement it after we complete the core functionality | 15:27 |
| viveknarasimhan | ok | 15:27 |
| viveknarasimhan | the next one which i would like to pass forward is that | 15:28 |
| Swami | Will this be an admin only command or tenant can also see this, what is your proposal | 15:28 |
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| viveknarasimhan | the bulk flow adding / removing facility in ovs_lib today is raw | 15:28 |
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| viveknarasimhan | so when there is a 'race' for two sets of methods to do bulk flow manipulation (methods in ovs_neutron_agent) | 15:28 |
| viveknarasimhan | some flows get missed to be applied (or) deleted | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami, I might consider admin only because nothing else in the API reveals to a normal tenant which host a port or VM is hosted on. | 15:29 |
| scott-millward | +1 on Admin only | 15:29 |
| viveknarasimhan | +1 admin | 15:29 |
| Swami | I was also aligning with "admin" only command. | 15:29 |
| Swami | agreed | 15:29 |
| viveknarasimhan | continuing on the earlier two lines | 15:30 |
| viveknarasimhan | so the ovs_lib need to be enhanced to handle bulk manipulation on contextual basis | 15:30 |
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| Swami | vivek: Yes you can go ahead and file a blueprint spec on this enhancement and we can take it up once we are done with the base core dvr work | 15:32 |
| viveknarasimhan | ok | 15:32 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: thanks for the update | 15:33 |
| Swami | #topic L3/DVR scheduler | 15:33 |
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| Swami | #Murali can you provide an update on the scheduler | 15:33 |
| Murali | yes Swami | 15:34 |
| Murali | I am looking at VRRP scheduler code to leverage. to avoid the duplicate | 15:34 |
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| Swami | Murali: Yes that was "sylvain" recommendation | 15:35 |
| Murali | i am post the WIP code for snat scheduling | 15:35 |
| Murali | I may push this week | 15:35 |
| Swami | Murali: Thanks for the update | 15:36 |
| Murali | yeah I got comments from sylian | 15:36 |
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| Murali | But we need to yet finish the CLI for SNAT scheduling | 15:36 |
| Swami | murali: yes got it. | 15:37 |
| mrsmith | manual scheduling? | 15:37 |
| Murali | no | 15:37 |
| Murali | its like list_hosting the snat router ....etc | 15:37 |
| mrsmith | k | 15:38 |
| Swami | murali: got it. | 15:38 |
| Swami | #topic Atlanta summit | 15:38 |
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| Swami | Folks next week most of the people will be in Atlanta | 15:38 |
| Swami | So we will not be having our regular meeting next week | 15:39 |
| Swami | We will continue our sub-team meeting the following week | 15:39 |
| Swami | I have updated our DVR Etherpad with the topics of interest for discussion, if you feel that you need to add any other topic or item for discussion please feel free to edit the Etherpad. | 15:40 |
| Swami | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Distributed-Virtual-Router | 15:40 |
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| Swami | Folks our DVR session is on Wednesday at 5.20p.m | 15:41 |
| viveknarasimhan | ok | 15:42 |
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| Swami | rajeev: hi | 15:42 |
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| Rajeev | Swami: HI | 15:42 |
| Swami | #topic Open Discussion | 15:42 |
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| Swami | If you have any other topics or open discussion we can discuss now | 15:43 |
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| Swami | We have been constantly pushing the code upstream and trying to address the comments, if there is any delay in addressing the review comments it is because we are in parallel working with N/S features for completion. | 15:44 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/neutron-ovs-dvr,n,z | 15:45 |
| viveknarasimhan | also we are testing east west with several cases, and so delay incurred on pushing | 15:45 |
| viveknarasimhan | subsequent patch sets upstream | 15:45 |
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| Swami | We value all your comments, so please review the code and provide your feedback that way we can make it ready for the Juno milestone 1. | 15:45 |
| Swami | xunhanp: Do you have anything | 15:46 |
| Swami | carl: Do you have item for discussion | 15:46 |
| xuhanp | Swami, nope. Thanks for driving this. | 15:46 |
| Swami | scott, rajeev, mrsmith: any other items for discussion | 15:46 |
| Rajeev | Swami: just curious is everyone here attending the Atlanta summit | 15:46 |
| mrsmith | not I | 15:47 |
| Swami | banix: pcm_: do you have any other items. | 15:47 |
| Murali | not I | 15:47 |
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| banix | no | 15:47 |
| Swami | rajeev: I am attending the sumit. | 15:47 |
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| xuhanp | not I | 15:48 |
| Swami | Thanks everyone for joining the DVR sub team meeting. | 15:48 |
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| Swami | See you all the week after next. | 15:48 |
| Rajeev | Swami: Thank You | 15:48 |
| Swami | Meet others at the Atlanta | 15:48 |
| Swami | bye | 15:49 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
| viveknarasimhan | i am attending as well | 15:49 |
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| viveknarasimhan | bye | 15:49 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 7 15:49:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-05-07-15.02.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-05-07-15.02.txt | 15:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-05-07-15.02.log.html | 15:49 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
| HenryG | o/ | 16:00 |
| rcurran | hi bob | 16:00 |
| banix | hi rkukura, all | 16:00 |
| emagana | hello! | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | Hello | 16:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
| rkukura | seems we’ve got quorum | 16:01 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 7 16:01:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_May_7.2C_2014 | 16:02 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | Juno Summit next week, so no IRC meeting | 16:03 |
| rkukura | Also, if you don’t attend the Neutron IRC meetings, you should be aware a mid-cycle sprint meeting is being planned for Juno | 16:04 |
| rkukura | options being considered for date and location are at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-mid-cycle-meeting | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | I think refactoring the neutron core is part of the agenda for this, and ML2 involvement in that would be important | 16:05 |
| rkukura | Any questions/comments on these announcements, or any other announcements? | 16:06 |
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| HenryG | Will ML2 also be affected by the task-based workflow plans? | 16:06 |
| rkukura | if not, we’ll move on… | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | HenryG: good question | 16:07 |
| rkukura | I haven’t looked at any specifics of that yet. What do you think? | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | HenryG: elaborate, please | 16:07 |
| HenryG | Don't know yet. I plan to attend the task-flow session and see. | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | HenryG: when and where is the session? | 16:08 |
| rkukura | Depending on the granularity of tasks being addressed, it could potentially be useful for postcommit processing, and maybe for error recovery | 16:09 |
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| emagana | Sukhdev: I think is Tuesday lead by markmcclain1 but there is not BP yet | 16:09 |
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| emagana | so it is a mystery right now | 16:09 |
| HenryG | I have not seen a BP for the session yet. The session proposal is http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/433 | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | I have been trying to dig it up - | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | defenitely looks relevent to ML2, and could result in significant changes to driver APIs, etc. | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | Anything else related to announcements? | 16:11 |
| HenryG | Info on taskflow here: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | thanks HenryG | 16:12 |
| rkukura | #topic Action Items | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | the only official AI was for me, regarding etherpads for our summit sessions | 16:12 |
| rkukura | I added one for the ML2 roadmap itself, and several have been added by others | 16:13 |
| rkukura | We’ve got 3 sessions that are mainly focused on ML2, each incorporation several session proposals | 16:13 |
| rkukura | One question is whether we should try to do a single etherpad per session, vs. etherpads per session proposal? | 16:14 |
| rkukura | Any thoughts? | 16:14 |
| emagana | rkukura: single one makes easier to follow up action items | 16:15 |
| asadoughi | +1 for etherpads per session proposal | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: earlier we thought about going with one per session - either way is OK | 16:15 |
| banix | even though the subsessions are related, it may be difficult to bring them into one place. May be multiple leading to sthe session and unifying we get there? | 16:15 |
| rkukura | We could certainly start with one etherpad per session, but with a section for each proposal | 16:16 |
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| banix | rkukura: that would be fine imo | 16:17 |
| HenryG | Sounds like a good compromise. At least to get started. | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I think that is good | 16:18 |
| rkukura | I think etherpad per session would help foster dicsussion across the entire topic rather than each propsoal separately | 16:18 |
| banix | makes sense | 16:18 |
| nlahouti_ | rkukura: how much details regarding a desing should be added in the etherpad. | 16:18 |
| rkukura | Would someone like to volunteer to pull together the etherpads for each of the three sessions? | 16:18 |
| banix | I can do it for the modular agent session | 16:19 |
| rkukura | nlahouti_: I think a page worth of bullet points per proposal is about the max | 16:19 |
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| rkukura | banix: Thanks! | 16:19 |
| rkukura | I’m happy to do the ML2 roadmap session | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: we have only two etherpad as of now | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | do we have the third one created? | 16:20 |
| rkukura | someone put together https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/hierarchical_network_topology | 16:21 |
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| rkukura | This has sections for each of the proposals that went into it | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: thanks for pointing this one - I was missing this…this looks good | 16:21 |
| rkukura | but we probably should flesh-out each with some bullets to explain the idea, raise issues, etc | 16:22 |
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| padkrish | rukkura: Yes, this has the three sessions for Friday | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | We need to beef this one up | 16:22 |
| rkukura | we’ve moved into the next topic... | 16:22 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Design Summit Sessions | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | The agenda page has links to the neutron schedule, the 3 scheduled sessions, and the wiki with the etherpads | 16:24 |
| rkukura | I’d like to see the session descriptions updated to be more clear, etc., and can ask mestery about that | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | Are there any ML2 session proposals were supposedly accepted/merged, but don’t have a home on one of these three session? | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I pointed it to him about one session - he mentioned you need to do it or coordinate with him :-):-) | 16:26 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: OK, if I can, I’ll try | 16:26 |
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| banix | rkukura: there was a session approved for inclusion but i dont see it in the list. the session on having a unified mechanism driver for SDN controllers. I do NOT think we need to have this but wanted to get clarification on it. | 16:27 |
| rkukura | banix: I thiink the intention was to cover that as part of the ML2 roadmap session | 16:27 |
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| banix | rkukura: yes that was my understanding. | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: ML2 Roadmap description is not very clear - this is what I asked Kyle to fix | 16:28 |
| rkukura | banix: Lets put the link to the BP/spec on the etherpad for that session, and try to identify any dependencies, and who is working on it | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: OK, I’ll see if I can fix that one, and if not, will work with mestery on it | 16:29 |
| banix | rkukura: i think this is a simple and limitted of a topic that may not need a session; will follow up later. | 16:29 |
| rkukura | banix: That was the goal for the roadmap session proposal - just to raise awareness of efforts that didn’t need their own sessions | 16:30 |
| banix | rkukura: ok; makes sense. | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | This is the one for ML2 roadmap - need to beef up https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ML2_Juno_Roadmap | 16:31 |
| rkukura | There were two sessions that we approved that mestery marked as “merging with Isaku's session” | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | Do we know which session that is? | 16:31 |
| rkukura | The proposals are http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/395 and http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/409 | 16:32 |
| banix | yeah hold on | 16:32 |
| rkukura | These seem agent-related, but I’m not sure if they are in the ML2 agent session, or a different session | 16:32 |
| banix | yes the above sessions were the ones | 16:33 |
| banix | not in modular agent session | 16:33 |
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| rkukura | banix: So are these in a separate session? | 16:34 |
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| yamamoto | this one? http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/9a0726f0946e4682bc77427afab44116#.U2pgnF7nwoc | 16:35 |
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| banix | not sure. | 16:35 |
| rkukura | #action banix to organize single etherpad for Modular L2 Agents session | 16:35 |
| rkukura | yamamoto: Yes, that looks like it. Thanks! | 16:36 |
| banix | yeah yamamoto is right; i think that is the session^^^ | 16:36 |
| rkukura | #action rkukura to flesh out single etherpad for ML2 Roadmap session | 16:36 |
| rkukura | And the hierarchical session already has a single etherpad | 16:37 |
| yamamoto | per-proposal etherpads will be removed? | 16:37 |
| rkukura | So each session proposer should try to flesh out an outline for discussion at the summit either the appropriate etherpad | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | yamamoto: If the assignees could move the per-proposal content to the the single etherpad, I think that the links to those can be removed - any reason not to? | 16:38 |
| yamamoto | no reason i can think of. | 16:39 |
| rkukura | please try to think about how to get the most value out of these summit sessions | 16:39 |
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| banix | yeah i think for each session the stake holder need to talk and organize as how to present and direct the discussion | 16:40 |
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| banix | s/holder/holders | 16:40 |
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| nlahouti_ | so this would be the main link : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ML2_Juno_Roadmap for the ML2 road map. | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | nlahouti_: that is presently listed under neutron etherpads | 16:43 |
| padkrish | rkukura: some session, e.g. hierarchical networks has three topics...so each topic owner gets around 13 or 14 mins? If every topic owner in a etherpad session brainstorms before, it can be presented by one single person after collecting the ideas | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | nlahouti_: I will add content to this later today or tomorrow | 16:43 |
| nlahouti_ | sukhdev: yes it is under ' ML2 Juno Roadmap' | 16:43 |
| nlahouti_ | sukhdev: ok | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | padkrish: I think it is a good idea - | 16:44 |
| rkukura | padkrish: I’m happy for the proposers in each session to figure out how they want to run that session | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | padkrish: I was thinking we could get together on Monday or Tuesday in Atlanta and hash it out, thoughts? | 16:45 |
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| padkrish | sukhdev# that's also good...i have proposed a webex session for tomorrow specifically for the hierarchical network session | 16:45 |
| rkukura | Remember that these are supposed to be more discussion than presentation, so I don’t think having a single presenter is very imporant | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | padkrish: can you share the webex info? | 16:46 |
| padkrish | sukhdev# sure... | 16:46 |
| rkukura | padkrish: I was going to look at my calendar regarding the new times - will followup to that email after this meeting | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | I think it is better the subject matter expert presents - rather than just one presenter | 16:46 |
| padkrish | rkukura: Totally agree....i want to have it as a discussion for which we need to brainstorm b4...otherwise, it may become a presentation :) | 16:47 |
| padkrish | rkukura: Sure, thanks...in which case sukhdev, will update with the new timings | 16:47 |
| rkukura | Would be nice for each session to start with an intro that lists the topics and how they are interelated, has the discussion on the topics, then has a couple minutes at the end to see how things all fit together, get people signed up to do the work, identify dependencies/issues, etc. | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | padkrish: my email sukhdev@arista.com | 16:48 |
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| padkrish | #sukhdev#: Thanks | 16:48 |
| rkukura | Anything else on the design summit before we move on to bugs, reviews, etc.? | 16:49 |
| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:49 |
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| rkukura | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron?field.searchtext=ml2 | 16:50 |
| rkukura | My port binding outside transactions but is at the top of the list | 16:50 |
| rkukura | Got some good review feedback, will hopefully get an update pushed before the summit | 16:51 |
| rkukura | Is anyone aware of any bugs that need to be dicussed, need assignees, etc? | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | #topic Spec reviews | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | I’m way behind on this myself | 16:53 |
| rkukura | Any spec reviews anyone would like to discuss? | 16:53 |
| rkukura | #topic Code reviews | 16:54 |
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| nlahouti_ | we posted couple for ML2 and got comment and reply to the comment but don't know what know what is next? | 16:54 |
| rkukura | nlahouti_: Wondering if it would help to devote good chunk of the ML2 meetings to spec reviews | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: sorry - was pulled into another thing. I put my comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91811/ | 16:55 |
| nlahouti_ | rkukura: That would help I believe | 16:55 |
| rkukura | We can list the ML2-related spec reviews on the agenda, and raise awareness, get reviews signed up, ... | 16:55 |
| irenab | I have a question related to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74464/ | 16:56 |
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| rkukura | irenab: what’s the question? | 16:56 |
| irenab | the spec is approved, by patch is still with -2, any advice how to proceed? | 16:57 |
| rkukura | irenab: Have you pinged markmcclain on IRC and/or email? | 16:57 |
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| irenab | rkukura: meanwile via the patch review only, will follow up with email/irc | 16:58 |
| rkukura | I think our time focus post-summit needs to be on working through the ML2-related spec reviews | 16:58 |
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| rkukura | and the spec reviewers should then follow through on the code reviews | 16:58 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:59 |
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| rkukura | we’ve only got a minute | 16:59 |
| rkukura | anything anyone? | 16:59 |
| rkukura | thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
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| yamamoto | thanks | 17:00 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 7 17:00:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-05-07-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| banix | see you those who go to the summit in Atlanta! | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-05-07-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-05-07-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | bye | 17:01 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 7 18:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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| kevinconway | o/ | 18:00 |
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| glucas | o/ | 18:00 |
| amrith | \0 | 18:00 |
| yogesh_ | o/ | 18:00 |
| peterstac | \o | 18:00 |
| iccha1 | o/ | 18:01 |
| abramley | 0/ | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | Agenda: | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:02 |
| vipul | o/ | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | Last meeting logs: | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-04-30-18.02.html | 18:02 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #topic How do Gerrit changes get approved? | 18:03 |
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| cp16net | |o| | 18:03 |
| kevinconway | >o< | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | mat-lowery: take it away | 18:03 |
| esp | o/ | 18:03 |
| esmute | i am curious about this too | 18:03 |
| esmute | :P | 18:03 |
| mat-lowery | Goal: To clarify the Gerrit change approval process used by Trove core (for the benefit of core and non-core). | 18:03 |
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| mat-lowery | Should I just reproduce the text from the agenda? | 18:04 |
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| mat-lowery | All of my arguments are there. :) | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | That's not necessary. | 18:04 |
| juice | o/ | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | I was giving this a lot of thought this week. | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | And a couple of things that made sense to me. | 18:05 |
| mat-lowery | Does Trove core use a systematic process of reviews and approvals to prevent starvation? Ultimate goal: Reduce time between submittal and merge. | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | It's good idea to align on a process to prioritize and review changes | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | But I was looking at the reviewday tool | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ | 18:06 |
| cp16net | i'd like to be able to just see the reviews for the projects i care about in that review day tool | 18:06 |
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| cp16net | instead of EVERY project | 18:07 |
| kevinconway | project:openstack-trove in the search bar? | 18:07 |
| cp16net | doesnt seem to have a anchor you can use either | 18:07 |
| vipul | I don't think there is a common tool / process that core uses. It might be good to pick one that we agree to | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | A lot of the top reviews there are actually waiting on changes from the submitter. | 18:07 |
| mat-lowery | cp16net: You can run it locally but it takes forever. | 18:07 |
| kevinconway | oh… no more search bar | 18:07 |
| vipul | SlickNik: yea it's surprising so many with -1 and -2 show up at the top | 18:07 |
| cp16net | kevinconway: this is an entirely differnt tool for reviews | 18:07 |
| mat-lowery | ReviewDay uses a scoring algorithm based on Launchpad bug priority and age of Gerrit change. | 18:08 |
| amrith | review.openstack.org supports search customization. | 18:08 |
| vipul | i've often used: https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/juno-1 as a way to pick higher priority bugs/bps to focus on | 18:08 |
| amrith | my url is https://review.openstack.org/#/q/-label:CodeReview-2+AND+-label:+Verified-1+AND+status:open+AND+is:watched,n,z | 18:08 |
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| amrith | that gives you just the projects taht you watch | 18:09 |
| amrith | and you can set in your lp profile | 18:09 |
| iccha1 | I think it might be good to review some of the review stats at every meeting to see how trove is doing . This is outdated, but if you look at http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/trove-reviewers-30.txt, it has some useful metrics like changes abandoned in the last 30 days, or queue growth in last 30 days | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | mat-lowery: Also a lot of reviews on reviewday that haven't yet passed unit-tests. | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | Doesn't make sense prioritizing some of those. | 18:10 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, if you look at the URL I posted, it eliminates anything with a -2 or fails verified | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | http://www.stackalytics.com/report/reviews/trove-group/open | 18:11 |
| amrith | that may be what you want | 18:11 |
| mat-lowery | SlickNik: Understood. I'm not selling ReviewDay but rather a prioritized queue (based on something that makes sense) that every core (and non-core) can/must use. | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | iccha1: Yes, the reviewstats tool hasn't been run since the gerrit upgrade. :( | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | mat-lowery: Got it. | 18:11 |
| iccha1 | i like the query amrith , thats something which used in glance too. | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | So sdague has a couple of good blog articles about this too | 18:12 |
| amrith | Also for those who want to customize their search, this page is helpful. #link https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/user-search.html | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | #link https://dague.net/2014/04/30/helpful-gerrit-queries-gerrit-2-8-edition/?utm_campaign=OpenStack+Now&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=12695477&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9twO0GbtB202VDA5wExXeBMIfQwnXdSBfuSj807F74UdfhZwJCsNKrVKI0pi-PqqRJQru8eyayQjntiU8sG1CaO4f1pA&_hsmi=12695477 | 18:12 |
| mat-lowery | My argument for a priority goes like this: If a priority exists, there's no need for "Hey core, please review <change>" which I find inefficient and unfair. It seems that bugging the channel for reviews is OK to some. Why? | 18:12 |
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| robertmyers | mat-lowery: well sometimes it is a blocking bug | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | mat-lowery: I find it okay because of a couple of reasons | 18:13 |
| robertmyers | so we should get eyes on it | 18:13 |
| mat-lowery | robertmyers: Understood in those circumstances. | 18:13 |
| mat-lowery | But otherwise, you're cutting the line. :) | 18:13 |
| imsplitbit | is there necessarily a line? | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | Rarely do I prioritize a review above all others based on a poke | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | And it helps to get a conversation started. | 18:14 |
| SnowDust | :) | 18:14 |
| * esp visualizes a fight at walmart | 18:14 | |
| juice | I think as a team we would be more efficient with a priority list | 18:14 |
| juice | right now our focus is like a disco ball rather than a magnifying glass | 18:14 |
| iccha1 | if everyone has the same pripirty list, wont the bottom ones be starved? | 18:14 |
| * amrith thinks about focusing on a disco ball | 18:15 | |
| cp16net | yeah i am in agreement we need to be better about it | 18:15 |
| esmute | juice: as we get more members and more patches, having a process with priority will help | 18:15 |
| esmute | +1 juice | 18:15 |
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| juice | iccha1: the ones at the bottom will not stay there forever | 18:15 |
| * robertmyers review are on top | 18:15 | |
| SnowDust | iccha1 : right | 18:15 |
| mat-lowery | iccha1: If the scoring is is age-influenced, then older (even low priority ones) rise to the top | 18:15 |
| juice | they will actually move up because we cleared the ones the at the top | 18:15 |
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| juice | I think core should decide priority - we can use launchpad to set priority and all work from the same list | 18:16 |
| esmute | and priority should be last (or way down) if they dont pass jenkins | 18:16 |
| iccha1 | +1 | 18:16 |
| cp16net | there are some reviews where the bp has not been approved | 18:16 |
| juice | I don't know if it is feasible to come up with search criteria that will do this for us | 18:16 |
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| vipul | so the problem with just looking at patch age.. is that there are patches that exist for things that we have disagreement on | 18:17 |
| juice | cp16net: then those reviews should have a low priority | 18:17 |
| iccha1 | priorities should be around - first go look at reviews you have already reviewed and folks has posted patchset on | 18:17 |
| vipul | cp16net: +1 | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | vipul: +1 | 18:17 |
| juice | in fact we don't need to know the priority for all reviews | 18:17 |
| esmute | vipul, in that case, the core can -2 these patches bringing them down in priortiy | 18:17 |
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| juice | we just need to know which ones are the top priority (e.g. top 5) | 18:18 |
| juice | the rest are unprioritized | 18:18 |
| esmute | i know some cores -2 patches when they need more clarity and discussions | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | esmute: It's not that easy. The patch might be a good idea, but it might be −1'ed to fix some issues. | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | In that case a −2 might be a bit harsh | 18:18 |
| vipul | esmute: that could work.. if we ignore -2's and factor in age | 18:18 |
| vipul | obviously there is isn't a simple answer here... needs a longer discussion | 18:19 |
| vipul | who's going to be in ATL!? | 18:19 |
| mat-lowery | So the priority queue is liked in general. Just that the scoring isn't as Trove core would like? Is that fair? | 18:19 |
| dougshelley66 | so i kind of made the assumption that core would be looking for reviews that are +1 under "V" and had at least 1 +1 under "CR" | 18:19 |
| vipul | sounds like a good place to discuss this | 18:19 |
| mat-lowery | dougshelley66: Thus my argument that -1's should not be left and then the reviewer disappears. | 18:20 |
| amrith | vipul, was question re: ATL targeted at core or all? | 18:20 |
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| mat-lowery | That's the next point: Gerrit etiquette. | 18:20 |
| vipul | anyone who wants to discuss this amrith | 18:20 |
| amrith | I'll be there | 18:20 |
| amrith | in ATL and to discuss this | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: I know that we look for +1 from Jenkins (i.e. it has to pass the unit tests), but there's no requirement for it having a +1 under CR | 18:20 |
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| dougshelley66 | SlickNik - i wasn't saying that was a requirement, just figured that would be a trigger | 18:21 |
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| mat-lowery | To wrap this item up, is core going to hammer out a scoring algorithm in ATL? | 18:22 |
| dougshelley66 | mat-lowery right; how to enforce the policy that you can't -1 and run | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | Another thing to keep in mind here is that we have some items that are just easy approves: Changes to help strings that make sense, changes to global-requirements, localization changes. | 18:22 |
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| mat-lowery | Perhaps number of +1's can bump the item up in score too aka easy approves. | 18:23 |
| vipul | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReviewWorkflowTips | 18:23 |
| vipul | looks like there are a number of tools available to help with this | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | My personal preference is to approve those sort of changes soon, so that it doesn't affect the size of the review pipeline. | 18:24 |
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| mat-lowery | I'll check out all of these review tip links but the point, as juice made was to have the queue be presented to you (no work from the reviewer about a query) then work from the top | 18:25 |
| denis_makogon | mat-lowery, we cant enforce contributors to post only one type of marks if patch already has N +1's | 18:25 |
| cp16net | vipul: oh nice | 18:25 |
| SnowDust | ok then I'll submit my patch with friends bumping it up wid their +1? | 18:25 |
| cp16net | thanks for sharing those tools maybe that can help me | 18:25 |
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| mat-lowery | We're nitpicking a proposed algorithm. My point: At least have an algorithm. | 18:27 |
| mat-lowery | And everyone follow it. | 18:27 |
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| mat-lowery | I will not be in ATL. Is there some kind of discussion list I should add this to? (And move on to next item.) | 18:28 |
| dougshelley66 | given that list of tooling that vipul provided, i assume this is a solved problem? wouldn't every project have the same issue? | 18:28 |
| esmute | I am in all for having a priority-based process for review like ReviewDay. We can keep making adjustment as we need (ie improve our scoring algorythm etc) | 18:28 |
| vipul | dougshelley66: i don't thnk it's a solved problem.. the tools may help pick reviews based on different criteria.. i am not sure if that's the criteria for us | 18:29 |
| vipul | we should still discuss what our priority queue is made up of | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | esmute: I hope we don't end up developing a review solution instead of a datastore service :) | 18:29 |
| vipul | SlickNik: weren't you going to propose a 'pod session' to talk about this | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to come up with a proposal on how to prioritize reviews to be discussed in ATL, and on IRC. | 18:29 |
| dougshelley66 | vipul: ok but i don't konw if i'm clear why all the projects couldn't tackle this issue in the same manner | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | Yes, I was. | 18:30 |
| kevinconway | but what about review neutrality? | 18:30 |
| kevinconway | if we allow service providers to create "fast-lanes" for reviews what next? | 18:30 |
| vipul | dougshelley66: good point.. i don't honestly know how other projects do it | 18:30 |
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| mat-lowery | May I move on to next point which is to discuss how all of us can keep (high-quality) code moving through the system? | 18:31 |
| iccha1 | vipul: we had the same problem in glance | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | vipul: Yes, I'm working on scheduling a pod session to discuss this issue in ATL. | 18:31 |
| denis_makogon | so, can we proceed to next topic? | 18:31 |
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| SlickNik | Stay tuned for more info regarding that. | 18:32 |
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| SlickNik | mat-lowery: go for it. | 18:32 |
| iccha1 | SlickNik: mark wash from glance had tried to take some steps with the same | 18:32 |
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| mat-lowery | as dougshelley66 put it succinctly: you can't -1 and run. Do we all agree? There's an obligation to respond to follow-ups. | 18:32 |
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| amrith | +1 | 18:33 |
| dougshelley66 | +2 | 18:33 |
| dougshelley66 | :) | 18:33 |
| denis_makogon | mat-lowery, agreed, -1 without any reason seems invalid | 18:33 |
| ramashri | +1 | 18:33 |
| kevinconway | what if we have committment issues? | 18:33 |
| robertmyers | kevinconway: lol | 18:33 |
| esp | mat-lowery: you can follow up with your reviewers right? | 18:34 |
| dougshelley66 | robertmyers: you are just encouraging him :) | 18:34 |
| mat-lowery | denis_makogon: not without reason. leaving a -1...then the committer disagrees or needs clarification or whatever...and the original reviewer never returns | 18:34 |
| amytron | dougshelley66: +1 | 18:34 |
| juice | mat-lowery: what was the next point | 18:34 |
| robertmyers | dougshelley66: agreed | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | If running comprises not ever responding, then I agree with that sentiment. :) | 18:35 |
| denis_makogon | mat-lowery, in this case, if noone followed same thoughts, -1 can be easily ignored | 18:35 |
| esp | mat-lowery: my point from above is that at times if I don’t agree with a -1, I have to follow up with the review to clarify | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | But this is an async process, so I'd imagine that stuff can come up between when I make a comment and when the other involved party replies. | 18:36 |
| kevinconway | what do you expect from a -1 followup? | 18:36 |
| SnowDust | good one denis_makogon | 18:36 |
| kevinconway | pushing up new code get's rid of those | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | So if it takes me, maybe a day to reply to a comment in gerrit because of this, I think that's acceptable. | 18:36 |
| esp | kevinbenton: :) that works too | 18:36 |
| esp | sorry ^ kevinconway | 18:37 |
| mat-lowery | kevinconway: I hope you're kidding. | 18:37 |
| mat-lowery | But I have seen it. | 18:37 |
| mat-lowery | Or what looks like it. | 18:37 |
| vipul | mat-lowery: +1 please dont' just push up a new patch set.. | 18:37 |
| vipul | at least reply to the comment | 18:37 |
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| vipul | it's insane trying to figure out if all previous reviewer comments have been addressed | 18:37 |
| imsplitbit | kevinconway: +1 :) | 18:37 |
| SnowDust | esp: Kevin bent on ? | 18:37 |
| juice | mat-lowery: keeping clean code through the project I think was the next topic | 18:37 |
| iccha1 | SlickNik: I think we need metrics, how many reviews done by cores per day, non cores per day, how many patches get abandoned per day and why, etc. The question is are there enough reviews being done first, and then if yes are the right review sbeing looked at | 18:38 |
| juice | I think we are on a tangent right now | 18:38 |
| esp | SnowDust: yeah I didn’t get enough coffee.. | 18:38 |
| kevinconway | i'm not suggesting pushing up new code just to get rid of -1 votes | 18:38 |
| juice | (high-quality) is what you said | 18:39 |
| kevinconway | i'm just curious why -1 is such a point of contention here | 18:39 |
| kevinconway | -1 is a community member saying "change this i don't like it" | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | btw, I've seen some behaviour in the new gerrit that doesn't get rid of the −1 even if a new patchset is pushed up. | 18:39 |
| peterstac | I have too | 18:39 |
| kevinconway | but -1/+1 don't carry any great weight. you can agree or disagree. core makes the adult decisions | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | So this might be a moot issue, not that review.o.o has moved to the new gerrit version. | 18:39 |
| juice | kevinconway: no ones is disagreeing with -1 - the disagreement is using a -1 without comments | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | now* | 18:39 |
| mat-lowery | juice: My only point by adding high-quality was not to imply fast tracking code for the sake of speed. We can have good reviews and still get things merged. | 18:39 |
| iccha1 | i think this conversation is running in too many parallel directions :) | 18:40 |
| juice | mat-lowery: sure we shouldn't sacrifice speed for quality is what you are saying | 18:40 |
| esp | iccha1: +1 | 18:40 |
| SnowDust | esp: +1 | 18:41 |
| juice | whoops - other way around in my last comment | 18:41 |
| kevinconway | SnowDust: -1 | 18:41 |
| esp | I don’t think anyone disagrees with the things being brought up | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | Okay, let me try to give this some definition | 18:41 |
| amrith | all: are we attempting to solve with a broad "policy" that which should be solved by individual interactions when a particular problem occurs? Is this a widely prevalent problem impacting a number of reviews? if yes, I see the point in the policy. If this is a fringe, how about core periodically do some coaching and address that way? | 18:41 |
| juice | go for it slicknik - bring 'er to a close | 18:41 |
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| SlickNik | I don't think anyone disagrees with any of the points mentioned in the Gerrit Ettiquette section. | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | #startvote No leaving -1s and then disappearing. A reviewer that leaves a -1 has an obligation to respond to follow up questions? yes, no | 18:43 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: No leaving -1s and then disappearing. A reviewer that leaves a -1 has an obligation to respond to follow up questions? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 18:43 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| mat-lowery | OK. Then if this is just a reminder of the etiquette, I'm happy | 18:43 |
| amrith | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| kevinconway | wait is this that you have to leave a comment or if you -1 you have to -1 every update? | 18:43 |
| ramashri | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| dougshelley66 | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| mat-lowery | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| SnowDust | kevinconway : waiting for an adult decision 4 ur -1 | 18:43 |
| vipul | #vote yes! | 18:43 |
| openstack | vipul: yes! is not a valid option. Valid options are yes, no. | 18:43 |
| esp | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| esmute | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| denis_makogon | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| cp16net | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| esmute | lol too excited about this one vipul | 18:43 |
| glucas | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| esmute | ? | 18:43 |
| juice | #vote yes | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | #endvote | 18:43 |
| openstack | Voted on "No leaving -1s and then disappearing. A reviewer that leaves a -1 has an obligation to respond to follow up questions?" Results are | 18:43 |
| openstack | yes (11): juice, SlickNik, glucas, esp, esmute, amrith, denis_makogon, mat-lowery, cp16net, ramashri, dougshelley66 | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | So just as I thought. | 18:44 |
| juice | :) | 18:44 |
| cp16net | i think this should be obvious and its a silly vote though. | 18:44 |
| denis_makogon | lol, no way ) | 18:44 |
| kevinconway | -1 | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | Are all the other ones similar, or is there a contentious issue? | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: Yes, I feel the same way. | 18:44 |
| esmute | cp16net: humans by nature like winning | 18:44 |
| mat-lowery | OK. So the lesson for me is to personally bug the people who are not following etiquette. | 18:44 |
| iccha1 | So another point is when we look at stackalytics Core team size: 5 (1.3 per core per day) reviews and Total reviewers: 31 (0.6 per reviewer per day). [http://www.stackalytics.com/report/contribution/trove-group/30] So maybe we need to just do more reviews too? | 18:44 |
| mat-lowery | I tried Gerrit itself. No response. | 18:44 |
| abramley | !sftp | 18:44 |
| openstack | abramley: Error: "sftp" is not a valid command. | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | I'm not going to start a vote on them unless someone feels a dire need to talk about one of those rules. | 18:44 |
| abramley | Ooops - sorry | 18:45 |
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| mat-lowery | SlickNik: no need | 18:45 |
| vipul | iccha1: +1 I think that's the main issue | 18:45 |
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| vipul | iccha1: size of core team and core team cycles spent on reviews | 18:45 |
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| cp16net | +1 | 18:46 |
| mat-lowery | more reviews off a prioritized list :) | 18:46 |
| vipul | and a lack of a prioritized list :p | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | iccha1: I think you bring up a good point here. | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | iccha1: We need to do a better job of tracking the stats, so that we know when we are slipping or if we need to grow core to cope with the review demand. | 18:47 |
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| juice | cinder has similar stats | 18:47 |
| juice | actually even less | 18:47 |
| iccha1 | SlickNik: +1 and bring it up every meeting to keep tabs on the queue | 18:48 |
| mat-lowery | iccha1: +1 | 18:48 |
| kevinconway | iccha1: ugh. do we have to read previous meeting minutes into record too? | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to look at what stats to monitor for trove review health and include it in the aforementioned "review" proposal | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | I think we've beat this down for now. | 18:49 |
| cp16net | i think thats a good idea to keep everyone in the know | 18:49 |
| cp16net | +1 | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | I'm going to put something together and will discuss with folks at ATL and on IRC. So stay tuned. | 18:50 |
| mat-lowery | thanks SlickNik | 18:50 |
| iccha1 | sounds like a plan! | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | mat-lowery: Thanks for bringing it up! | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | #topic Meetings next week | 18:50 |
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| SlickNik | So a lot of us are going to be in ATL next week for the summit. | 18:51 |
| denis_makogon | yup | 18:51 |
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| SlickNik | So I'm canceling the two Trove meetings for next week, since there will be a lot going on. | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | We'll meet again the week after that. | 18:52 |
| dougshelley66 | ok | 18:52 |
| cp16net | sounds good | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | I'll send folks reminders on email / IRC. | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | I'll be on IRC on and off during the summit. | 18:52 |
| cp16net | i'll be online all the time | 18:53 |
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| cp16net | doesnt mean i will respond tho | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | So if something comes up, feel free to message the trove channel. | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | That's all I had to say about that. :) | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:54 |
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| SlickNik | Any takers? | 18:54 |
| amrith | SlickNick ... Mid-Cycle Meetup Question | 18:54 |
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| SlickNik | go for it | 18:55 |
| amrith | SlickNik, I'm trying to get a list of attendees for the mid-cycle meetup. if you'll be attending, please either drop me a note email or pm. | 18:55 |
| cp16net | word | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good. | 18:55 |
| cp16net | amrith: is there a date for this? | 18:55 |
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| dougshelley66 | aug 20-22 | 18:55 |
| amrith | yes, let me check. dougshelley66 may know it off top of head | 18:56 |
| cp16net | awesome thanks | 18:56 |
| amrith | yes, he does ;) | 18:56 |
| cp16net | is there a wiki link with more info | 18:56 |
| cp16net | ? | 18:56 |
| amrith | location: cambridge, MA | 18:56 |
| amrith | no wiki link yet | 18:56 |
| cp16net | ok coo | 18:56 |
| amrith | good point | 18:56 |
| amrith | cp16net, coo to you too ;) | 18:56 |
| cp16net | something like we had for the last one would be good | 18:56 |
| vipul | amrith: you might want to do the evite thing hub_cap did | 18:56 |
| vipul | that way whoever gets approved to go.. can just sign up | 18:56 |
| cp16net | #action amrith make a wiki page for the midcycle meetup | 18:57 |
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| amrith | cp16net, add one for eventbrite as well | 18:57 |
| amrith | #action that is | 18:57 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, ... that's it for me ... | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | #action amrith to set up an eventbrite event for the mid-cycle meetup | 18:58 |
| amytron | amrith: if you have questions on how we planned the last one, let me know | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | (pro-tip: anyone can do it) | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good. | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | Anyone else? | 18:58 |
| amrith | amytron, thx. was going to do that. | 18:58 |
| amytron | SlickNik: i made the PTL do it last time ;) | 18:58 |
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| amytron | but you're right, anyone can do it :) | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | Okay, cool. | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 7 18:59:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| juice | slicknik: you really know how to make friends :) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-05-07-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| cp16net | thx | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-05-07-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-05-07-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
| vipul | i think the pro-tip was for the 'action' ;) | 18:59 |
| vipul | not the planning amytron ;D | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | vipul: +1 the pro-tip was for the #action comment | 19:00 |
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| amytron | oh haha :) | 19:00 |
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| SlickNik | not for the actual planning. | 19:00 |
| amytron | my bad, SlickNik | 19:00 |
| amrith | vipul, thx for clarification ;) | 19:00 |
| vipul | lol | 19:00 |
| amrith | didn't realize I could do that | 19:00 |
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| amrith | #action SlickNick to organize mid-cycle meetup | 19:00 |
| amrith | ;) | 19:00 |
| amytron | haha | 19:00 |
| amrith | damn, recorded minutes ended 1 minute ago ;) | 19:01 |
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| SlickNik | lol, I'll pretend I didn't see that and head back to trove. | 19:01 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 19:02 |
| juice | thanks slicknik | 19:02 |
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