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| dhellmann | hi, bnemec | 15:59 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: Howdy | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | this might be a quick meeting if it's just the 2 of us :-) | 16:01 |
| bnemec | Heh, indeed | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | when do you arrive in atlanta? | 16:01 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: I can make you some crowd | 16:01 |
| dims_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | hi, YorikSar! | 16:01 |
| dims_ | sunday night | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:02 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Sunday night, not too late. | 16:02 |
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| markmc | hey | 16:02 |
| YorikSar | Hello :) | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | ok, let's start this thing up | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri May 9 16:02:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | today should be a pretty quick meeting | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic action items from last meeting | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| dhellmann | I have a review up to create the oslo-specs | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/92614 | 16:03 |
| markmc | cool | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | thanks to bnemec for giving the inputs a quick sanity check | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | we may want to think about tweaking the template, but we can do that using gerrit | 16:04 |
| bnemec | +1 | 16:04 |
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| YorikSar | dhellmann: It means that I'll have to rewrite rootwrap blueprint there, right? | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | I'll bug the infra team a bit later today to see if they can merge that before the summit | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | YorikSar: yes, it would be good to do that | 16:05 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: ok | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | I also need to write up the oslo.i18n graduation blueprint | 16:05 |
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| YorikSar | dhellmann: Will there be subdirs for every project in oslo? | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | YorikSar: we talked about that, but I don't know if we really need to go that far | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | so I haven't created them, yet | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | if the group thinks having separate directories is really needed, we can add them as we add blueprints | 16:06 |
| bnemec | Are the oslo* blueprints segregated on launchpad? | 16:06 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: Ok. I guess we can create them if the number of specs in all projects combined becomes too big. | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: it depends on the library, at this point | 16:06 |
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| bnemec | I'm not too worried about it yet. I'm sure there will be some iteration on the process as we get going. | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | we have oslo.messaging, taskflow, stevedore, and cliff in separate launchpad projects | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | the others are all in the oslo project | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: exactly | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | does anyone else feel strongly one way or the other? | 16:08 |
| markmc | nope, I'm up for giving it a shot and evolving | 16:08 |
| YorikSar | nope | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | such an easy-going crowd :-) | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags from liaisons | 16:08 |
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| dhellmann | are there any blocking issues with adopting existing oslo libs in any projects? | 16:09 |
| bknudson | what are the libs? | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: excellent question! | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Libraries | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | everything on that list except oslo.db and oslo.i18n should be ready to be used, if appropriate | 16:10 |
| bknudson | I think keystone is using all the ones that we can | 16:10 |
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| bknudson | we should be able to use oslo.db and oslo.i18n when they're ready | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: I need to update my patch to make keystone use stevedore for plugins. At this point, that'll have to wait until after the summit, I think. | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | excellent | 16:11 |
| bknudson | dhellmann: talk to ayoung at the summit! | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | ok, if there are no serious new issues, let's move on | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslotest adoption status | 16:12 |
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| bknudson | keystone is using oslotest -- we've got the base test class and a couple fixtures | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | as we push out new libs, I want to focus on each for a couple of weeks, in addition to asking about the general red-flags | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | so I'll try to keep up with which ones need to stay on the agenda | 16:13 |
| bknudson | I think we're still using the config fixture from oslo-incubator... maybe we need a new release of oslo.config? | 16:13 |
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| bnemec | Yeah, that should be graduated in git now. | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: yes, bnemec weren't you working on graduating that? did the change land? | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | cool | 16:13 |
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| bnemec | https://review.openstack.org/91397 | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | I can tag a new release, though I'm tempted to wait until we decide on the pre-release testing strategy at the summit | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann look into tagging oslo.config release | 16:14 |
| markmc | yeah, tagging a new release now would expose it immediately to icehouse users - the thing I've always been skeptical about | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | markmc: right | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | I'll look into what changes would be included in the release | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | #topic oslo.messaging adoption status | 16:16 |
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| bknudson | I think keystone has been using this for a while | 16:16 |
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| markmc | I'm not sure what hasn't adopted it at this point | 16:16 |
| markmc | e.g. I know ceilometer and ironic patches recently landed | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | is cinder done? I know they ran into some issues | 16:17 |
| * markmc starts to check | 16:17 | |
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| dhellmann | while markmc does that, we can move on and come back to this in a few minutes | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | #topic summit prep | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Juno/Etherpads#Oslo | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | we have etherpads for most of our sessions already | 16:19 |
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| bknudson | are there sessions that you especially expect the liasons to show up at? | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: there's a cross-project session Tues 14:00-14:40 "New Oslo Library Releases and Your Project" | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | and then the opening session for oslo: Wed 9:00 - 9:40 Release Plan for Low-level Libraries | 16:20 |
| markmc | I'll get an oslo.messaging etherpad up tomorrow | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | you may also be interested in Thu 9:50 - 10:30 Testing pre-releases of Oslo libs with apps | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | markmc: thanks! | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | a lot of the other sessions are more "internal" work, and may be of interest, but those 3 are probably the most important ones | 16:21 |
| bknudson | ok, I don't have conflicts with those. | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | for liaisons, that is :-) | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | excellent | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | I think we're ready for the summit, other than those missing etherpads, but let me know if you spot something I've missed | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | is everyone going to be in town for the whole week? | 16:23 |
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| bnemec | Yep | 16:24 |
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| dhellmann | good -- I'm looking forward to this one :-) | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review status for graduating libs | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | we have 2 graduations in progress now (funny, since it's graduation day here in Athens for the local university, too) | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | the repo for oslo.i18n has been created, and I have a series of patches up for review for a few minor cleanup issues spotted in the code that was imported | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92678/ | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | that's the first review in the series | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | there are quite a few in progress for oslo.db as well | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.db+status:open,n,z | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | let's prioritize these reviews so we can get both of those libraries into shape and create an initial release soon after the summit | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | for both, I think we ought to be focusing on cleanup for "librarification" and bug fixes over new features, to start, does that seem reasonable? | 16:28 |
| bnemec | +1 | 16:29 |
| bnemec | They have to work before we can add more stuff. | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | that's all we have on the official agenda today | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | does anyone have anything else they would like to bring up? | 16:31 |
| markmc | ok, got oslo.messaging status | 16:31 |
| markmc | ported: nova, glance, keystone, cinder, ceilometer, ironic, barbican | 16:31 |
| markmc | not ported: neutron (https://review.openstack.org/75861), heat (https://review.openstack.org/70633), trove | 16:31 |
| markmc | n/a: swift, marconi, sahara | 16:31 |
| markmc | the neutron and heat ports were abandoned | 16:31 |
| markmc | haven't found a trove one yet | 16:32 |
| YorikSar | I was told that my work on rootwrap will be tracked in oslo instead of Neutron. | 16:32 |
| YorikSar | So I guess after summit we'll have it in the agenda here, right? | 16:32 |
| bnemec | YorikSar: Yes, that makes sense | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | YorikSar: yes, if there's anything you need to discuss we can add it to the agenda | 16:33 |
| markmc | dhellmann, ok, no review I can find for trove | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | markmc: ok, I'll poke the trove liaison | 16:33 |
| markmc | so, need to poke neutron and heat again, find someone to do the trove port | 16:33 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: Well. I mostly just reported status there | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann contact neutron, heat, and trove liaisons about oslo.messaging adoption | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | YorikSar: ok, that makes sense | 16:34 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: If that's not needed here I think there won't be much to discuss after summit | 16:35 |
| markmc | other observation - I see ceilometer using a whole bunch of internal oslo.messaging config options | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | YorikSar: let's see how things go, and adjust as needed | 16:35 |
| markmc | rpc_backend, notification_topics, transport_url, control_exchange | 16:35 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: Sure. | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | markmc: are they using those for subscribing to all of the notifications? | 16:36 |
| markmc | dhellmann, don't know yet | 16:36 |
| markmc | dhellmann, whatever the reason, they're not part of the public API - need to examine the use case and add APIs | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | markmc: right, maybe we can chat with jd__ at the summit | 16:37 |
| markmc | sileht more likely | 16:38 |
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| markmc | one of those usages he's been working on a new API for | 16:38 |
| markmc | adding retry param to rpc client | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok, jd__ is listed as our liaison | 16:38 |
| markmc | ah | 16:39 |
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| dhellmann | if sileht is already working in this area, that's fine, but this is an example of why I wanted a contact for each project :-) | 16:39 |
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| dhellmann | I think that about covers it for this week, so unless there's anything else to discuss we can stop a little early. | 16:41 |
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| bnemec | About https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86930/ | 16:41 |
| bnemec | We're basically treating incubator db code as a stable branch now, so to backport to Icehouse he'll need to go oslo.db -> incubator -> incubator icehouse | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | yes, that's right | 16:42 |
| bnemec | Should I leave the -2 until the oslo.db change merges, or drop it and mark it WIP? Or a third option I'm not considering? :-) | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | and we need to make sure we approve the patches in that order | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | I'm not sure which is the better way to ensure that, the -2 or the WIP. Maybe the -2? | 16:43 |
| bnemec | -2 is the definitely won't merge option. WIP can be changed. | 16:44 |
| bnemec | I guess I can just leave a comment for him to ping me when the oslo.db change merges and I can drop it then. | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | ok, let's stick with that until the oslo.db change merges | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | that sounds good | 16:44 |
| bnemec | Okay, that's all I had. Thanks. | 16:45 |
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| dhellmann | ok, let's all go enjoy a few minutes of free time then :-) | 16:45 |
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| dhellmann | thanks, everyone, and I'll see you next week at the summit! | 16:46 |
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| bnemec | Until then! | 16:46 |
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| YorikSar | dhellmann: "pretty quick meeting", aha :) | 16:46 |
| markmc | later :) | 16:46 |
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| dhellmann | YorikSar: hey, we're getting out in < 1hr :-) | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | safe travels, everyone | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri May 9 16:47:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-05-09-16.02.html | 16:47 |
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