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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 3 13:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hi | 13:00 |
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| sadasu | Hello | 13:00 |
| rpothier | Hi | 13:00 |
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| sadasu | baoli: How is your spec review going? | 13:01 |
| baoli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86606/19/specs/juno/pci-passthrough-sriov.rst | 13:01 |
| baoli | that's the latest version | 13:01 |
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| baoli | heyongli, Hi | 13:03 |
| heyongli | hi | 13:03 |
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| baoli | latest spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86606/19/specs/juno/pci-passthrough-sriov.rst | 13:04 |
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| heyongli | notice John remove -2, happy | 13:04 |
| baoli | John had some comments. The latest spec tried to address most of his concerns | 13:05 |
| heyongli | Yunhong help to address the db init problem | 13:05 |
| heyongli | trying change to node name, i think | 13:05 |
| baoli | heyongli, did he open a bug for that? | 13:06 |
| heyongli | you open one, do not sync up for bug, i don't know yet | 13:06 |
| baoli | heyongli: are you talking about this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82206/ | 13:07 |
| heyongli | should be this one, but i don't know the detail plan of yunhong | 13:07 |
| baoli | Ok, I'll sync up with him. | 13:08 |
| baoli | Regarding the spec, please provide your comments if any. Hopefully, John and other cores will look at the latest version soon | 13:09 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:09 |
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| baoli | rpothier and I are working on the patches. | 13:10 |
| heyongli | which pach set? sriov? | 13:11 |
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| baoli | we'll be submitting patches for review soon. | 13:11 |
| beagles | cool! | 13:11 |
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| baoli | heyongli, the original poc will be broken up into several patches to facilitate reviews | 13:11 |
| heyongli | that's very coll | 13:11 |
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| baoli | I appreciate everyone's effort to move this forward! | 13:12 |
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| heyongli | we all hope sriov became reality, | 13:13 |
| baoli | heyongli, can you also review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81954/ | 13:13 |
| baoli | Maybe another +1 will prompt the cores for actions. | 13:13 |
| heyongli | i post +1, i will check it again tomorrow | 13:13 |
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| baoli | oh, got it. Thanks a lot! | 13:14 |
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| heyongli | yourself could post +1, -:) | 13:15 |
| heyongli | any specific topic today? | 13:15 |
| baoli | feel free to bring up any topic. Otherwise, we can also discuss the other works/features listed on the meeting wiki | 13:17 |
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| heyongli | possibly changing the names of existing vnic-types | 13:21 |
| heyongli | associate a default vnic-type with a neutron network | 13:21 |
| heyongli | these 2 seems pure neutron work | 13:22 |
| baoli | heyongli, that's true. | 13:22 |
| heyongli | what's admin controlled knobs | 13:22 |
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| baoli | heyongli, in the original version of the spec, we had that discussion | 13:22 |
| heyongli | API related? | 13:23 |
| heyongli | got | 13:23 |
| sadasu | it appears we don't have any Nova related action items | 13:25 |
| sadasu | for Neutron, I don't think Irena is in the IRC | 13:26 |
| heyongli | seem not, | 13:26 |
| sadasu | I had a couple of questions on her spec | 13:26 |
| baoli | sadasu: irena is on vacation this week. I forgot to mention that in the beginning of the meeting | 13:26 |
| sadasu | yes, I remember her mentioning that during the summit | 13:26 |
| sadasu | baoli: so is the meeting done? | 13:27 |
| heyongli | so short meeting? | 13:27 |
| baoli | sadasu, what do you mean for nova-related action items? | 13:27 |
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| baoli | if you guys don't have anything else to talk about, we can call it a day. | 13:27 |
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| sadasu | nothing from me | 13:28 |
| heyongli | yeah, nothing for today, | 13:28 |
| heyongli | so, bye | 13:28 |
| sadasu | thanks | 13:28 |
| baoli | cool. We'll try to make some progress before next meeting. | 13:28 |
| heyongli | probably +2 | 13:28 |
| baoli | heyongli, that would be great! | 13:29 |
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| baoli | Thanks everyone,and see you next week | 13:29 |
| heyongli | see you | 13:29 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 13:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 13:29:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-06-03-13.00.html | 13:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-06-03-13.00.txt | 13:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-06-03-13.00.log.html | 13:29 |
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| cpallares | o/ | 15:02 |
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| cpallares | \o | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | (o) | 15:02 |
| cpallares | \0/ | 15:02 |
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| alcabrera | haha | 15:02 |
| tjanczuk | \0 | 15:02 |
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| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 3 15:02:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:02 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:03 |
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| kgriffs | o/ | 15:03 |
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| alcabrera | ~o~ | 15:03 |
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| cpallares | \o_O/ | 15:04 |
| vkmc | *\o/* | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | #topic Using the mailing list to offload meeting time | 15:04 |
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| prashanthr_ | lots of 'o' art in progress 0-0 | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | so, as you may have noticed, a few of us have being trying to use the mailing list more | 15:04 |
| sriram | o/ | 15:04 |
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| kgriffs | I think it is a good way to have "the meeting before the meeting" which will make our agenda items go much quicker | 15:05 |
| Obulpathi | o/ | 15:05 |
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| tjanczuk | I think ML works better than IRC for longer discussions that require more context. | 15:05 |
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| kgriffs | +1 | 15:05 |
| tjanczuk | The price is it takes longer to discuss. | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | also, it allows more people in the community to join in the conversations, or at least follow along | 15:06 |
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| kgriffs | tjanczuk: yep. I think we can find a balance between IRC, ML, and mtgs. | 15:06 |
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| kgriffs | We should really discuss each topic in all three places, but strive to capture important notes/decisions in the ML if they come up elsewhere | 15:07 |
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| kgriffs | just my $0.02 | 15:07 |
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| kgriffs | you can also use the ML to vet and idea, and then we can finalize it in our meetings, which are also logged/recorded | 15:08 |
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| alcabrera | From a communications POV, it makes sense to engage the ML for questions of direction | 15:09 |
| alcabrera | are we building the thing that people want to use? | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | anyway, I'd like everyone to try to follow subjects starting with [marconi] on the mailing list, and participate in those threads | 15:09 |
| tjanczuk | It would be good if the responsiveness to ML topics was similar to IRC ones. | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: that's a good point. On that question, we may want to also use the user list (openstack@) to engage folks on usability and operations | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk: +1 | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | good thought, kgriffs | 15:11 |
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| kgriffs | ok, so let's everyone be more active on the mailing lists. Also, I'd like to see more activity on the Ask site from folks outside the core reviewers team. Just sayin'. :) | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | moving on... | 15:12 |
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| kgriffs | #topic specs process | 15:13 |
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| kgriffs | malini: can you summarize the discussion so far? | 15:13 |
| malini | sure | 15:13 |
| malini | Hope everybody had a chance to review the thread in ML | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | a bit | 15:13 |
| malini | We have most of OS moving the Specs route & I just wanted to pick everybody's brains if Marconi should too | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/036509.html | 15:14 |
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| malini | Specs is good, because it bring a certain formal process in the design phase | 15:14 |
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| malini | But I think us being a small team, we dont need it yet | 15:14 |
| malini | Since we do a lot of design discussions in IRC/ML/meetings | 15:15 |
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| alcabrera | I have a few thoughts on this | 15:15 |
| malini | alcabrera: sure | 15:15 |
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| alcabrera | I'm not sure how specs are being used across OS | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | but | 15:16 |
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| alcabrera | where specs are most valuable, are not in reference to particular BPs, but rather | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | into protcols | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | wire or whatnot | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | grammars | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | for DSLs etc | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | and | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | for HTTP expected behaviors | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | and APIs | 15:16 |
| tjanczuk | I think having a spec up front is useful for controversial issues that need discussion. For all other issues it could be done post-mortem as documentation. | 15:16 |
| malini | for clarity specs == design docs, in what I have seen for other OS projects | 15:16 |
| malini | tjanczuk: +1 | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | basically, it is a formalization of the blueprinting process | 15:17 |
| malini | & tht too , we shud not require it for every bp | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | so, instead of editing a wiki page and linking that to a bp, you actually write up specs in text files and they go through the gerrit review process | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | iirc | 15:17 |
| alcabrera | queue flavors would one area that would warrant a design spec, imo | 15:17 |
| alcabrera | **would be one | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk: that makes sense | 15:17 |
| sriram | alcabrera: +1 | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | I think there are a few dimensions to this discussion | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | first, is which types of work items benefit from formal specs | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | second, when you go to write that spec, what level of detail should go into it? | 15:19 |
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| malini | kgriffs: can we just leave it to the implementor to decide when to write a spec & what shud go in it? | 15:20 |
| malini | the person who does the implementation cud write a spec to solicit feedback | 15:20 |
| malini | or document why something was done in a specific way | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | malini: i think we could give them a lot of flexibility, but I would like to have a page on our wiki (contributor's guide) with some basic guidelines | 15:20 |
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| kgriffs | anyone can write a wiki page today and link to a bp. the difference with this new process is it goes through formal review | 15:21 |
| malini | we will also need some basic stuff done to enable using specs | 15:21 |
| vkmc | if we don't provide some basic guidelines we will end up reviewing the way specs has been written instead of focusing on the spec | 15:21 |
| malini | add a new github repo etc | 15:21 |
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| alcabrera | I like the idea of providing guidelines | 15:21 |
| Obulpathi | +1 for guidelines | 15:22 |
| malini | As a −1 for how to write guidelines, we will end up mandating stuff which wont make sense in each situation | 15:22 |
| malini | My idea behind spec is solicit feedback early on, when you are not sure how to implement | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | ok, maybe before we forget about it, can someone create a placeholder page on the wiki under "contributor guide"? #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi | 15:22 |
| tjanczuk | Generally speaking I'd rather be reviewing code than specs. For most changes whatever English one puts in the code submission is adequate as a spec. | 15:23 |
| vkmc | hm.. thats true | 15:23 |
| malini | the whole spec thing sounds uncomfortably similar to detailed design docs | 15:23 |
| malini | I wud rather us not have DD for every case | 15:23 |
| tjanczuk | Death by waterfall | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | yeah... | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | hmmm. | 15:24 |
| alcabrera | I agree with malini -- if we do anything spec-like, we must tread with caution | 15:24 |
| alcabrera | if we need design discussions, the place to do that is a combination of the ML, IRC, and meetings | 15:24 |
| Obulpathi | it does sound like design doc to me | 15:24 |
| alcabrera | a spec goes stale quickly for new ideas, so is only of value for things that have solidified | 15:25 |
| alcabrera | or have some promise of staying stable | 15:25 |
| alcabrera | along the lines of semantic versioning | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | the goal i think is to have a page to summarize those discussions to act as memory pegs and call out stuff that needs to be followed up on (TBD items) | 15:25 |
| malini | kgriffs: +1 | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: do you think we could achieve such a thing with wikis? | 15:26 |
| kgriffs | if we can find a way to do that more consistently with our bp's, i don't think we need the specs process at the moment, at least | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: +1 | 15:26 |
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| malini | Lets just revisit using specs @ K or a future release | 15:26 |
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| alcabrera | malini: agreed | 15:26 |
| kgriffs | I mean, we already do a fair job of it between wiki (marconi/specs/my-bp-name-here) and etherpad | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: oh yeah, etherpad too! | 15:26 |
| malini | I think it makes sense for other teams working in diff TZ | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | maybe we can think about shoring that up since it already seems to work pretty well, and revisit specs another time | 15:27 |
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| tjanczuk | folks, I need to run in a few minutes, could we just summarize quickly the AMQP status next? | 15:27 |
| malini | since flaper87 conveniently works in all TZ, we are covered for now ;) | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | haha | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | heh | 15:27 |
| Obulpathi | lol | 15:27 |
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| alcabrera | tjanczuk: sounds like a good idea | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | ok, so let's do a vote next meeting about specs, and think about ways to be a little more consistent about using wiki specs | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | amqp next? | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to hold vote on specs next meeting | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | #topic AMQP driver | 15:28 |
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| tjanczuk | I've been out for the last week+, I wonder if any progress code or decision-wise has been made on AMQP? | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera, vkmc? | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | flaper87? | 15:29 |
| vkmc | tjanczuk, I'm working on adding the support for AMQP | 15:29 |
| vkmc | so... we are going for AMQP 1.0 | 15:29 |
| malini | gtg now | 15:29 |
| vkmc | at least, as a first step into it | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | malini: thanks! o/ | 15:29 |
| alcabrera | malini: take care! | 15:30 |
| vkmc | maybe we could add support for other AMQP versions in the future | 15:30 |
| vkmc | malini, ttyl! :) o/ | 15:30 |
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| vkmc | the main blocker with the implementation of this driver is that the python library for qpid-proton is not available yet | 15:31 |
| tjanczuk | We had some discussions about this last time I was here. The gist is I am happy to write Rabbit support (AMQP 0.9). In fact I am doing it this week. The question is, can this be taken into Marconi when all is done? | 15:31 |
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| tjanczuk | Rabbit has excellent Python library that is ready to go today. | 15:31 |
| vkmc | ok, but that is a driver for Rabbit | 15:32 |
| vkmc | not for AMQP | 15:32 |
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| tjanczuk | Yes, this is the driver for Rabbit (the most popular AMQP implementation out there) | 15:32 |
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| tjanczuk | Besides, AMQP is a red herring here. I care about Rabbit not AMQP. I could as well use MQTT to talk to Rabbit if we choose so. | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | so, I feel like this is a question of legacy, and also about what we are willing to fit in the marconi repository | 15:33 |
| vkmc | of course, but right now we are focusing on flexibility | 15:33 |
| vkmc | adding a driver for AMQP allows us to be broker independent | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | on the side of legacy, it is my understanding that 0.9.1 is important to a lot of people, even though 1.0 is the target for newer implementattions | 15:33 |
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| alcabrera | I say this as an AMQP outsider, so my view might be skewed -- the ML can confirm this better than I | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | I think we may just need to bite the bullet and do two drivers, one for each | 15:34 |
| vkmc | that would be the first step... later on, we could discuss adding a Rabbit driver to cover AMPQ < 1.0 | 15:34 |
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| alcabrera | I'm happy with the idea of going double-driver in-tree | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | given that we have two eager volunteers: vkmc and tjanczuk | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | From what I understand, the Rabbit folks would be happy to prioritize their 1.0 support if they see enough demand for it, but I suspect it will be 1-2 years for that to happen | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | how do you all feel about this? | 15:35 |
| tjanczuk | Rabbit and 1.0 is pipe dream IMO. | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | i'd basically call it "RabbitMQ driver" and "AMQP 1.0" driver. | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | I'd be fine with having both in-tree | 15:36 |
| tjanczuk | kgriffs: +1 | 15:36 |
| vkmc | alcabrera, +1 | 15:36 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:36 |
| tjanczuk | So, if I write a Rabbit driver, can we take it in? | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | yes | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk: yes, there is the risk that Rabbit will never to 1.0, but if they do we can deprecate the 0.9 driver at that point. | 15:36 |
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| tjanczuk | Excellent, sounds like we are on the same page. Now I need to drive my kids to school ;) | 15:37 |
| tjanczuk | I will be back on openstack-marconi later in the day. | 15:37 |
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| alcabrera | tjanczuk: take care, and thanks for joining in | 15:37 |
| vkmc | sounds good since AMQP < 1.0 and AMQP 1.0 are two different protocols | 15:37 |
| vkmc | tjanczuk, o/ ttyl! | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | tjanczuk, vkmc: keep the team updated on what parts of the API can be supported, and which cannot. | 15:37 |
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| kgriffs | we have a little freedom with 1.1, and lots of freedom in 2.0 to make changes if needed | 15:38 |
| Obulpathi | tjanczuk: take care! | 15:38 |
| vkmc | kgriffs, will do, in fact I have some ideas to discuss after the meeting | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | kk | 15:38 |
| alcabrera | cool | 15:38 |
| alcabrera | any other thoughts on the amqp thread? | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | #topic Healthier Community: Let's Adopt a Code of Conduct | 15:40 |
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| kgriffs | alcabrera? | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | yup! | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | so here's the situation | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | and it ranges outside of marconi, though I wanted to start the discussion here | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | openstack's code of conduct is lacking in several ways | 15:41 |
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| alcabrera | it addresses many of the work related issues | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | but does not cover a lot of the social interactions that happen | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | lemme grab that link | 15:41 |
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| alcabrera | #link http://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/ | 15:41 |
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| alcabrera | the only items that discuss interactions between people, are 2) and 4) | 15:42 |
| alcabrera | "Be respectful", and "If we disagree, consult others" | 15:42 |
| alcabrera | neither detail what is and isn't acceptable behavior | 15:42 |
| alcabrera | and leave it to general interpretation | 15:42 |
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| alcabrera | a solid code of conduct needs 4 things, as per | 15:42 |
| alcabrera | #link http://www.ashedryden.com/blog/codes-of-conduct-101-faq | 15:42 |
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| alcabrera | the very first section in that link summarizes those requirements | 15:43 |
| alcabrera | and one more problem, aside from that | 15:43 |
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| alcabrera | is that the openstack CoC does not make it clear who to contact if something does come up | 15:43 |
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| alcabrera | it makes mention of the TC and UC, but I contend that this is not enough | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | that's a big one | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | accountability is vital | 15:44 |
| alcabrera | yes! | 15:44 |
| alcabrera | codes of conduct are crucial for growing a healthty community | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | and I'd like to see openstack do better in this regard | 15:45 |
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| cpallares | Yep, especially one growing and changing. | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | what do you all think? :) | 15:45 |
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| kgriffs | I think the current code of conduct is too often ignored. | 15:45 |
| Obulpathi | we should submit a feedback ... | 15:46 |
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| vkmc | you are right that there are vital parts missing on the current code | 15:46 |
| vkmc | and yeah... agree with kgriffs | 15:46 |
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| kgriffs | however | 15:46 |
| Obulpathi | asking them to update on the issues .. especially whom to contact when something is wrong | 15:46 |
| vkmc | +1 Obulpathi | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | i did see some positive signs at the conference that people are becoming more cognizant of this topic | 15:46 |
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| kgriffs | ...and supportive of making it better | 15:47 |
| alcabrera | good to hear | 15:47 |
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| alcabrera | I like Obulpathi's suggestions - we need action | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | however, the movement will need some care and feeding for it to bear fruit | 15:47 |
| alcabrera | agreed, kgriffs. | 15:47 |
| alcabrera | it is no simple matter, because we need a whole lot of (4) from ashedryden's faq | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | Training and reference materials from those that would moderate the community | 15:48 |
| vkmc | we also add in the code that people should not have a defensive | 15:48 |
| Obulpathi | we also go through CoC for Deabian, Linux, Python and see how they are dealing with these issues | 15:48 |
| cpallares | Obulpathi: +1 :) | 15:48 |
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| cpallares | I think alcabrera had some good suggestions, like the CoC from the Rust community. | 15:49 |
| alcabrera | #link http://www.ashedryden.com/blog/codes-of-conduct-101-faq#coc101examples | 15:49 |
| alcabrera | good examples ^^ | 15:49 |
| * Obulpathi looking into it | 15:49 | |
| alcabrera | cpallares: and yeah, the Rust one is great, too! | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: Jesse Noller and Alex Gaynor may be good allies here. I think OpenStack can learn from the broader Python community. | 15:50 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: agreed | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | I was super impressed by the esprit de corps at PyCon Montreal, for example | 15:50 |
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| alcabrera | #link http://jessenoller.com/blog/2012/12/7/the-code-of-conduct | 15:50 |
| vkmc | s/we also add in the code that people should not have a defensive/we could also add in the code that people shouldn't have a defensive behaviour... having good faith is important too | 15:50 |
| alcabrera | vkmc: good point. these conversations can make people uncomfortable. it takes a bit to navigate this space | 15:51 |
| alcabrera | so kgriffs made a great point earlier, that even our current CoC is ignored | 15:52 |
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| alcabrera | we need to understand the need for moderators, and in the interim, I think team-core members should serve as those that would moderate discussions | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | saw this engraved on a wall in Atlanta: We rise in glory as we sink in pride." (Andrew Young). | 15:53 |
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| kgriffs | </random> | 15:53 |
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| alcabrera | what do you all think of having core serve as moderators for now? | 15:54 |
| alcabrera | **serving | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | makes a lot of sense for core reviewers to lead by example, as well as be moderators | 15:54 |
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| vkmc | +1 alcabrera | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | cool | 15:55 |
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| vkmc | core devs not only know about the code, but they also know the community :) | 15:55 |
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| prashanthr_ | vkmc : ha ha nice point :) | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | moderators should keep in mind that often people don't realize that the way they are coming across is not constructive. i suppose even the very act of moderating will need to follow the CoC. :D | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: definitely! it's not easy! :) | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | I speak with experience moderating an IRC community on that point | 15:56 |
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| alcabrera | I'll take some next actions on this | 15:57 |
| cpallares | Perhaps, we should also add review/suggestions etiquette to the CoC, such as if your comment is not constructive or adding to the argument... | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | cpallares: good thought! | 15:58 |
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| alcabrera | I think there might something like that I once saw in the OS wiki | 15:58 |
| alcabrera | but yeah | 15:58 |
| alcabrera | that needs to be closer to the CoC, or at least linked | 15:58 |
| cpallares | That would be nice for the mailing list too. | 15:58 |
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| alcabrera | I'll figure out who handles CoC things for next week | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | ok folks, we are short on time | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | and submit feedback | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 15:59 |
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| alcabrera | thanks all for listening and sharing feedback! | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | #action megan_w to check trademarks for our shortlist of names | 15:59 |
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| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 16:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-06-03-15.02.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-06-03-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-06-03-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 3 16:00:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-06-03_1600_UTC Our Agenta | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
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| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:00 |
| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 16:00 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey | 16:00 |
| tomblank | tom blankenship | 16:00 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 16:01 |
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| ravips | Ravi Sankar | 16:01 |
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| datsun180b | cz was double-booked and won't make this meeting today | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome everyone | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks datsun180b | 16:02 |
| iqbalmohomed | Hello all | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | I am happy to have your original nick back! | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | hello iqbalmohomed | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, let's begin with announcements. Anyone else who has not chimed in may feel free to chat us at any time to be recorded in attendance. | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, first of all, we extend our gratitude to Anita Kuno who agreed to serve as our election official | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | you may be pleased that in accordance with our ratified election rules, no further action is required for an election this cycle, as no new candidates for the PTL position were declared. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | I will serve as your PTL for this cycle. | 16:05 |
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| julienvey | congrats adrian_otto | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | I will re-open candidacy when the Juno cycle comes to a close. | 16:06 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: congrats and thanks for performing this role for the project! | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for your support. I am very proud of the work we do here, and am humbled to be a part of it. | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | next up, action items. | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | asalkeld follow up with keystone team by ML, and IRC (as needed) to explore options for multi-service trust tokens, OAuth, or chaining, and finding the right fit for Solum. | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | I did see an email thread about this. | 16:07 |
| julienvey | yes, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/036490.html | 16:07 |
| julienvey | it seems we will have to go with chained trusts in keystone | 16:08 |
| julienvey | but it is not implemented yet | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/036490.html ML Discussion about Trust Tokens | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | thanks julienvey for the link | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I think I saw a review in the queue for something about OAuth | 16:08 |
| julienvey | yes, I abandonned that | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | I'm pretty sure I down-voted that awaiting an outcome from this discussion. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks julienvey | 16:09 |
| julienvey | I think steve from the heat is working with the keystone guys to have chained trusts between services | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | do we have an expected timeframe for chained trusts? Are we able to contribute that, or is it happening regardless? | 16:09 |
| julienvey | I will ask angus or steve if there is a blueprint or a bug open about that | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok, julienvey are you willing to reach out to him a few times this week to see if there is anything we can do to help? | 16:10 |
| julienvey | and if someone is working on that | 16:10 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: sure | 16:10 |
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| paulmo | I'm pretty interested in these discussions as well. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | would you accept that as an action item? I see this as a high priority matter for us. | 16:10 |
| julienvey | yes | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #action julienvey to follow up with Heat contributors about Keystone chained trusted tokens, to offer our support. Include Solum Stackers in discussions. | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | ok, awesome, thanks for that. | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | next we have a bunch of topics relating to our top areas of development focus | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | I'd like us to timebox each of these so we have time to at least touch on each. | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | we do not need implementation plan perfection today, but at the very least subgroups of us who are interested, or who we know we can include to drive forward progress on each. | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | here we go... | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Mistral Integration Discussion (target 10 min discussion) | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: this was from you | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | we have three links to share: | 16:13 |
| devkulkarni | this is progressing along. datsun180b and asalkeld made headways into this | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | actually two | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/pipeline Pipeline Blueprint | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1322748 Initial Mistral Feature Task | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | feel free to add other references | 16:14 |
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| devkulkarni | asalkeld has series of patches integrating mistral and pipeline resources | 16:14 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b will be able to provide more updates | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | ok, what key issues are open that we can offer guidance about? | 16:14 |
| devkulkarni | so one key issue is whether to expose the mistral dsl to app developers | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: anything potentially controversial? | 16:15 |
| datsun180b | oh the majority of what i accomplished is just getting mistral into our vagrant env | 16:15 |
| devkulkarni | my impression is mistral dsl is still too level and we should not expose that to the app developers | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes, the dsl is a good one to cover. | 16:15 |
| devkulkarni | thoughts? | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | if I may summarize that one for the others here today | 16:16 |
| devkulkarni | please do adrian_otto. that will be helpful | 16:16 |
| aratim | +1 devkulkarni we need a simpler DSL to be exposed to the end user | 16:16 |
| julienvey | devkulkarni: you think solum should act as a dsl on top of mistral's dsl ? | 16:16 |
| muralia | I think we should not expose the mistral dsl to end users. | 16:16 |
| paulmo | Don't expose Mistral DSL to users directly. It would make switching out workflows really difficult later unless we accept Mistral DSL as the language for Solum workflow forever. | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | we intend to use Mistral as the backend our first implementation of Pipelines | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | it has a DSL, but we think it might be best not to expose that directly, in the interest of keeping the user experience very simple | 16:16 |
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| iqbalmohomed | Not exposing the DSL also lets people use a different workflow engine | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | we will link through to the mistral resources, so if someone is so inclined as to interact with the mistral service, they can customize those workflows there. | 16:17 |
| paulmo | +1 iqbalmohomed | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed: exactly. | 16:17 |
| ravips | +1 iqbalmohomed | 16:17 |
| devkulkarni | julienvey: thoughts? | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | but the overall intent here is to make something useful for the general case without complicating the UX | 16:17 |
| julienvey | having a dsl over the mistral dsl would require a lot more work on our side | 16:18 |
| julienvey | in the long term, it's good | 16:18 |
| julienvey | but we could start with angus' way of dealing with it | 16:18 |
| julienvey | having a workbook url in the pipeline | 16:18 |
| devkulkarni | so I am thinking that the dsl that we come up with is more about describing the pipeline | 16:19 |
| paulmo | http://workflowpatterns.com/evaluations/standard/index.php might be useful if we want to partially adopt a standard. | 16:19 |
| devkulkarni | it can refer to existing workbooks | 16:19 |
| devkulkarni | that is huge listing paulmo. | 16:20 |
| julienvey | devkulkarni: good idea | 16:20 |
| devkulkarni | gut reaction is NO :) | 16:20 |
| julienvey | such as heat templates can reference another heat template | 16:20 |
| devkulkarni | yep | 16:20 |
| stannie | yep I also like it | 16:20 |
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| devkulkarni | do we want to get an agreed on this or think it over a bit and revisit next time again? | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | I think there is a way for us to allow for workflows to be tweaked without making a comprehensive DSL | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | so to the extent that is practical, I suggest that as our direction, and we can continue to revisit this as we learn more. | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | sound fair? | 16:22 |
| muralia | +1 | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | and there would be no need to adopt the Mistral DSL until we had such a discussion | 16:22 |
| devkulkarni | agree | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any more thoughts on this before we advance to the next tpic? | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | next... | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Custom Language Pack Discussion | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/auto-select-lang-pack | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | •#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/custom-language-packs Custom Language Pack Blueprint | 16:23 |
| devkulkarni | So noorul, adrian_otto have been brainstorming about what do we mean by custom lang packs | 16:23 |
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| devkulkarni | in my mind there are three kinds of lang packs — 1) provided by operator 2) lang packs/build packs belonging to other PaaS systems that we can support in Solum 3) lang packs that an app developer wants to create with custom libraries (e.g. chef testing tools) | 16:24 |
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| julienvey | devkulkarni: what's the difference between 1 and 2 ? | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni | I want to hear what you all think about this topic? | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | We have at least two options for how we define the LP itself. 1) The LP is just an image in glance, done. 2) The LP may leverage an existing image, but add a git-repo to use as an external build-pack (approach consistent with Heroku and Cloud Foundry) | 16:25 |
| julienvey | would cedarish fit into 1 or 2 ? | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | the two are not mutually exclusive | 16:25 |
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| devkulkarni | operator may provide some base lang packs which may or may not be compatible with other systems | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | cedarish would be #2 in my list | 16:25 |
| paulmo | It seems 2 would go into bucket 1 or 3? | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni | I think cedarish is 2 | 16:25 |
| julienvey | I think 2 can fit into 1 | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 16:26 |
| julienvey | cedarish is a "multi-language" LP | 16:26 |
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| devkulkarni | sure | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | so perhaps we start out with the #1 definition type, and then plan to expand that to add git-repo plugin capability to allow Solum users to extend it. | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | and operators can decide whether to include the images that contain the hooks for that extensibility | 16:27 |
| julienvey | hooks are a good idea | 16:27 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: your definition of LP is not complete in the sense that #1 will be required no matter what | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any alternate points of view to consider here? | 16:27 |
| devkulkarni | #1 is what we actually have to do for any LP to be supported via Solum | 16:28 |
| devkulkarni | so that is not really a defining characteristic of a LP imo | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: #1 is required. The question is whether to have #2 as well. | 16:28 |
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| devkulkarni | exactly | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | we agree 100%. | 16:28 |
| devkulkarni | and the discussion at least to me is what are conceptually options available for #2 | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | so I suppose I cold ahve framed the options as (1), or (1+2) | 16:29 |
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| devkulkarni | the proposed git repo hook approach — that would cover app developers specifying their required libs etc. | 16:29 |
| iqbalmohomed | would that be similar to heroku's buildpacks? | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni | would that also cover mechanisms in solum to support LPs/build packs from other PaaSes | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | the remote repo does a bit more as well, allowing the actual build execution logic to be adjusted. | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni | or that could be a separate discussion | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | because alternate scripts could be provided. | 16:30 |
| iqbalmohomed | this is via git execution hooks? | 16:30 |
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| julienvey | i think the example for (2) is adding the .net capability to cedarish. Am I right ? | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | so I don't hear any argument against using both approaches | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: yes, that's a perfect example | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | I'd like to be able to allow a user to add that without a code patch to solum :-) | 16:31 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: +1 on using both approaches | 16:31 |
| julienvey | yes, and hooks (in solum) to add capabalities would be an elegant way of dealing with it, imo | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | ok, hold on, lets reiterate what the two approaches are. | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | I see only only approach — git hooks | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | what is the other approach? | 16:32 |
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| iqbalmohomed | images in glance? | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni | saving LP in glance is not an approach | 16:33 |
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| devkulkarni | that is required no matter what | 16:33 |
| julienvey | devkulkarni: I don't understand what you mean by git hooks | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni | we are talking about customizing language packs | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni | we need approaches to do that .. the end result will go in glance no matter what | 16:33 |
| julienvey | sure | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | the extensibility point will be a way to indicate that a build should consult the content in an external git repo that contains a build pack (compatible with Heroku and CF) | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni | one approach that is coming up, as suggested by adrian_otto, is to use custom repo with git hooks (paraphrasing — could be wrong) | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | that could be a parameter, or metadata, etc. | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | it's not exactly a hook | 16:34 |
| devkulkarni | thanks for clarification adrian_otto | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | just an external reference of where to get plugin code to adapt the build processing | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I think that was the confusion point | 16:35 |
| rajdeep | i was thinking since CF and Heroku build packs are already there with an ecosystem | 16:35 |
| rajdeep | wouldn't it make sense to base our definition on those | 16:35 |
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| rajdeep | rather than trying to build a new one | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | rajdeep: but they are not same, or are they? | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | I think it's time to record this in a task ticket, possibly linked to a wiki that can exhibit a simple block diagram to express the concept. | 16:36 |
| rajdeep | they are mostly | 16:36 |
| rajdeep | Cf is based on heroku build packs | 16:36 |
| devkulkarni | what about OpenShift cartridges? | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | we also have a task that would allow compatibility with Openshift Catridges too | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | that's already on the wishlist | 16:37 |
| rajdeep | infact CF team introduced them later as it was the best way to introduce a new platform | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | but let's walk before we run. | 16:37 |
| aratim | how will this approach help the user to create his own language pack? | 16:37 |
| devkulkarni | so that is other other category (#3) that I had in mind | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | aratim: as an end user I can post my custom build scripts in a git repo, and pick an LP entry that uses an image that will take my repo as a parameter/metadata and download it (as needed) and use it to run the build | 16:38 |
| devkulkarni | which I think will be addressed by the custom repo approach | 16:38 |
| devkulkarni | suggested by adrian_otto | 16:38 |
| devkulkarni | yeah, that should work | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's wrap up on this one and move to the next | 16:39 |
| aratim | adrian_otto: yeah makes sense | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: are you willing to take an action item to work with me on this to clearly document the approach and how it addresses each use case? | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | sure adrian_otto | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | lets do it | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | #action devkulkarni to work with adrian_otto to document the LP devleopment approach in BP+task+wiki to clearly outline our approach, and how it solves each use case. | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | and we will take input from anyone who is willing to review this, and add remarks | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | next, we have... | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Source to Image Pipeline Discussion | 16:40 |
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| devkulkarni | muralia has the latest on the pipeline -> plan discussion | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | We touched on this last week, but did not have time to explore nova-docker enhancements | 16:41 |
| muralia | there is a google doc with some approaches. I'm going ot move these comments to the blueprint. | 16:41 |
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| muralia | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a0yjxKWbwnY7g9NZtYALEZdm1g8Uf4fixDZLAgRBZCU/edit?pli=1# | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | muralia: I have the Solum Spec repo further down in the agenda | 16:42 |
| muralia | ok. | 16:42 |
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| devkulkarni | okay, so about nova docker improvements.. | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | once we open that, let's put the GoogleDoc content into RST and post it there for review. | 16:42 |
| devkulkarni | we touched upon it last time. | 16:42 |
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| devkulkarni | the questions that I had (which we touched upon last time), was what are the exact things needed from us for that | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | that=nova-docker? | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | glance integration | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | nova docker driver improvements | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | needs a multi-tenant solution | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | so rather than interfacing through docker to docker-registry to glance, we can just integrate directly with glance | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | and that approach works as a first iteration workaround | 16:45 |
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| devkulkarni | yeah, that should be helpful | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | then we can explore the future of docker-registry with the #nova-docker team | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | we did discuss that subject in Atlanta, and it appears to have non-technical aspects to motivating the stakeholders | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | this is something that the #openstack-containers team can deal with. | 16:46 |
| devkulkarni | cool.. I guess my questions were more from the Juno-1 feature list (this is listed in Juno-1) | 16:47 |
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| devkulkarni | do you think nova docker driver improvements should be in Juno-1 or could they be moved out? | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | yes, bypassing nova-docker's use of docker-registry will suit our near term needs | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | and fixing docker-registry can be deferred as needed. | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | Anyone disagree? | 16:48 |
| tomblank | should we collect our requirements in a single place/document, prioritze them, identify any must have features for Solum juno release, etc? | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni | I guess we need time to think :) | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's advance to our last couple of topics. These should be short. | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Tasks | 16:49 |
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| julienvey | I don't see why this is in our roadmap, it's a dependency we have on nov-docker, like we have on heat or mistral | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | I am doing some housekeeping on this: | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/2014.1.2 | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | I plan to tag this release today or tomorrow | 16:49 |
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| devkulkarni | julienvey: same thoughts here | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | I am moving everything that's not fix released to juno | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | and pulling everything in juno that is fix-released into 2014.1.2 | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | so expect to see that shuffling in our tasks and BPs | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | any concerns with this? | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to also lock down our demo to using the tagged release | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | so it's not a moving target | 16:51 |
| devkulkarni | +1 to locking down demo to a tagged release | 16:51 |
| paulmo | Yeah, +1 to that as well | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | I can tag releases as often as we need to in order to make changes to the demo setup | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed we will adjust our demo environment to use the upcoming 2014.1.2 release, and update to newer releases as needed. | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | ok, last agenda item | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | (next to last) | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Solum Spec Repo | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | I am planning to start a new code repository that will hold RST files of our specifications. The porpose of this is to allow for review of our design plans in the same way we do code reviews | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | the same reviewers will be attached to this repo | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni | I think this will be helpful.. at least instead of googledocs | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | muralia will place our design work there, and we can more easily source input and have debate on items where we disagree | 16:53 |
| ravips | that will be very useful | 16:53 |
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| muralia | +1 | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I will give you a heads up on the ML once that merges | 16:54 |
| paulmo | +1 to this idea; btw, http://rst.ninjs.org/ might be useful for editors and such | 16:54 |
| tomblank | is there a way to timebox the review period? | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | we can try that out, and switch to something else later if we don't find it useful | 16:54 |
| devkulkarni | is there a need to timebox review period? | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | the Keystone team has used this approach successfully | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: we can do that as needed | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | that's something we can certainly negotiate on an ML thread per design | 16:55 |
| tomblank | devkulkarni: sometimes, I think it would be useful. | 16:55 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | I agree that having a deadline on something can help us focus on key issues | 16:55 |
| julienvey | will we have to post all our design there or only high-level features ? | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | not every design needs a deadline | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | but ones that are critical to our Juno milestones should | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | julienvey: we can use our discretion | 16:56 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: again, agree... | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | let's use it to see if it helps | 16:56 |
| paulmo | I also like the timebox idea in that we can define a minimum review time to give folks in various time zones a fair chance. 2 days minimum I would think. | 16:56 |
| tomblank | and we can adjust as needed.. | 16:56 |
| devkulkarni | btw, kgriffs warned about the design process getting heavy handed .. take a look at this email on marconi | 16:56 |
| devkulkarni | *his | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | thanks devkulkarni. We can take that as an opportunity to learn from our peers. | 16:57 |
| julienvey | devkulkarni: do you have a link ? | 16:57 |
| tomblank | paulmo: +1 | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | I will also offer myself as a release valve if any of our contributors are not comfortable with any design proceedings, please see me about it so I can work to address those concerns for you. | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | will send it to you julienvey (don't have it handy) | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | it was sent couple of days back | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | 2 mins remaining. | 16:58 |
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| rajdeep | have we done customer validation of features being built for solum | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today. Next week we should have a shorter agenda, so not quite as rushed. | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | rajdeep: we would love more! | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 17:00:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-06-03-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-06-03-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-06-03-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| rajdeep | it might be useful .. | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | we can continue in #solum on that topic | 17:00 |
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| xwizard | hi there! | 17:02 |
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| katyafervent | Hi | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | hi | 17:02 |
| tsufiev | o| | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | Murano time? | 17:02 |
| stan_lagun | o/ | 17:02 |
| xwizard | so, should we start a neeting? | 17:02 |
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| xwizard | yes | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | yup | 17:02 |
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| xwizard | ok | 17:02 |
| ruhe | oo | 17:03 |
| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 3 17:03:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:03 |
| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:03 |
| ruhe | roll call: done :) | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | one moment, need to invite more peopel | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | #topic action items review | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | 1. btully to create blueprints extracted from generic | 17:04 |
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| dteselkin | Hi | 17:05 |
| ruhe | #info btully created blueprints extracted from generic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/murano-ui-horizon-patterns | 17:05 |
| ruhe | those BPs are scheduled for juno-1 | 17:05 |
| ruhe | 2. ruhe create blueprint for external repositories | 17:05 |
| ruhe | #info ruhe created BP for online repo: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/online-app-repository design is still drafting | 17:06 |
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| ruhe | also, there was an AI on me - mark murano-dsvm job as voting | 17:06 |
| ruhe | here is a patch to infra https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97462/ | 17:06 |
| ruhe | once it is merged we will not be able to merge changes in Murano which breake murano-dsvm job in Jenkins. which is good | 17:06 |
| ruhe | i don't see any other action items from previous meetings | 17:07 |
| ruhe | #topic juno-1 status review | 17:08 |
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| ruhe | #link https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/juno-1 | 17:08 |
| ruhe | overall we're doing good | 17:08 |
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| ruhe | i'm a bit concerned about a bunch of UI blueprints in "Unknown" state. btully: do you have any update on those? | 17:08 |
| btully | which ones? i'm not clear on "state" is that something that gets set on the blueprint? | 17:10 |
| tsufiev | btully, he means 'Delivery' status | 17:10 |
| ruhe | btully: ah. i should've tell you about that :) | 17:10 |
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| ruhe | btully: when you look at the list of blueprints at https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/juno-1 there is "Delivery" column | 17:11 |
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| ruhe | btully: common practice is to set the "delivery" field in "Started" once you started working on a blueprint | 17:11 |
| ruhe | even if there are no patches on review | 17:11 |
| btully | ok, how do i do that? | 17:11 |
| btully | i don't see a "delivery" field | 17:12 |
| ruhe | btully: just open the blueprint and update field "Implementation" to "Started" | 17:12 |
| btully | ahh ok | 17:12 |
| ruhe | that's launchpad, it's messy :) | 17:12 |
| btully | thanks | 17:12 |
| ruhe | anything else to discuss on the current topic? | 17:13 |
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| tsufiev | btully, also gerrit updates status automatically, if you write the appropriate line in commit message and send it to review | 17:13 |
| tsufiev | line is 'Implements: blueprint name-of-blueprint' | 17:13 |
| ativelkov | "Targets blueprint: name-of-blueprint" is better | 17:14 |
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| ativelkov | If the checking does not address the BP completely | 17:15 |
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| ativelkov | check-in* | 17:15 |
| btully | thanks, good to know | 17:15 |
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| tsufiev | anyways, you can read those tips at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gerrit_Workflow | 17:15 |
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| ruhe | #topic ID and GUID usage discussion | 17:16 |
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| ruhe | katyafervent: that's your topic. please go ahead | 17:16 |
| btully | so for those items I haven't looked at yet, do i leave them as Unknown or do i need to change them to "Not Started" | 17:16 |
| katyafervent | here is the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-quid-discussion | 17:16 |
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| ruhe | btully: either is ok. i'd suggest "Not Started" | 17:16 |
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| btully | k | 17:17 |
| katyafervent | this topic brought from bug scrub and here is a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1319677 | 17:17 |
| sjmc7 | i don't think database performance is much of a consideration with UUIDs - being similar to other openstack services has some advantages though | 17:17 |
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| katyafervent | what do you think, should we make our ids in guid format? | 17:18 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, there was one issue related directly to uuid length - so that question arised | 17:18 |
| sjmc7 | i think if we're going to use uuids, we should format them as guids | 17:18 |
| ativelkov | what was the reason behind our own id generator? | 17:18 |
| ativelkov | stan_lagun: sergmelikyan: do you rmemeber? | 17:18 |
| sjmc7 | there are openstack utility functions for handling them (heat tests if a stack id is a guid or a stack name, for instance) | 17:19 |
| stan_lagun | why should we care? IDs are not GUIDs. They are just unique strings. Therir format should not be constraint in any way | 17:19 |
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| sjmc7 | they'rein URLs | 17:19 |
| sjmc7 | they must be constrained in some ways | 17:19 |
| katyafervent | sorry this is a valid link https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1292009 | 17:19 |
| gokrokve | There was a discussion in Solum and TripleO about using UUIDs as a primary key | 17:20 |
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| gokrokve | te reason to use int ID was the performance | 17:20 |
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| ruhe | stan_lagun: imho consistency across openstack projects is a constraint. thus i'd prefer to go with UUID, unless there is a strong argument not to use them | 17:20 |
| sjmc7 | did anyone measure the performance impact? i would wager than UUID lookups are not the bottleneck for most services | 17:21 |
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| tnurlygayanov__ | sjmc7, for uids? | 17:21 |
| gokrokve | Clint from TripleO had some reasons to propose integer IDs. | 17:21 |
| stan_lagun | I don't suggest not to use UUIDs. I'm just saying that exact format (with or without dashes) is not important. Another implementation can generate random string or sequence numbers converted to string and that should be fine | 17:21 |
| gokrokve | Indexing performance was among these reasons | 17:22 |
| sergmelikyan | I think what to use as pkey in the database - is does not matter. But ID for entities should not be bound to UUID | 17:22 |
| stan_lagun | We should not REQUIRE dashes or any particular ID format | 17:22 |
| tnurlygayanov__ | I think the uids will not affect perofrmance itself | 17:22 |
| sjmc7 | are names unique? | 17:22 |
| stan_lagun | what names? | 17:22 |
| sjmc7 | do all entities have unique names? | 17:23 |
| stan_lagun | no | 17:23 |
| stan_lagun | just unique ID | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan | I am against using UUID as ID for Object Model entities | 17:23 |
| tsufiev | sergmelikyan, why? | 17:23 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: stan_lagun: what are the arguments not to use UUID? | 17:23 |
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| stan_lagun | ID can be any string if that string is relatively short and unique within that object model | 17:24 |
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| sergmelikyan | tsufiev, because object model may be written manually? Because shorten IDs may be much easily consumed in demos? | 17:24 |
| stan_lagun | ruhe, again, I'm not saying not to use UUID. You can use anything that is unique including UUID. We shouldn't care | 17:24 |
| ativelkov | For readability we can define some human-readable IDs | 17:25 |
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| tsufiev | sergmelikyan, nobody forces us to use genuine UUIDs in demos :) | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | it's up to the API users to generate them | 17:25 |
| stan_lagun | for example for tests it is better to use ids like 'postgreSql1' instead of GUID | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | yep, so why constrain them with UUID? | 17:25 |
| tsufiev | simple IDs are fine as long as you can guarantee that they are limited to the scope of one Application | 17:26 |
| sjmc7 | the API is generating IDs, right? | 17:26 |
| sjmc7 | not users | 17:26 |
| stan_lagun | we do use UUIDs. But there is no need to enforce it or require some particular formatting | 17:27 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, no, IDs are generated by users | 17:27 |
| stan_lagun | IDs are generated by dashboard :) | 17:27 |
| stan_lagun | not by end user | 17:27 |
| tsufiev | stan_lagun, and it uses dashless UUIDs | 17:27 |
| stan_lagun | maybe someday API will generate them | 17:27 |
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| stan_lagun | tsufiev And if you make it just random string everything will still work | 17:29 |
| sjmc7 | the reasons i see for using GUIDs is that it's easy to identify them in logs, URLs etc. other than that, i don't really care, but i think that since they're going to be generated by the dashboard or muranoclient they will have some predfined format | 17:29 |
| ruhe | i haven't seen any argument not to use UUID as id in Murano. i suggest we proceed and let katyafervent to do what she planned to do | 17:29 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, yes, kind of a convention | 17:29 |
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| ruhe | let's move on. this discussion doesn't move to something constructive | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe +1 | 17:31 |
| ruhe | everyone please state your thoughts in that document https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-quid-discussion | 17:31 |
| ruhe | #topic Open Discussion | 17:32 |
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| ruhe | i can give an update on alembic migrations. patch is finished basically, but for some reason it works everywhere except the gate | 17:33 |
| ruhe | so, i'm blocked on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97251/ which would let me to debug the problem | 17:33 |
| ruhe | i'll continue with setting up unit-testing infrastructure for DB layer | 17:34 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, it seems it's not the only problem with the gate (at least today) :) | 17:34 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: yeah. another important topic for us is the state of murano-ci | 17:34 |
| ruhe | tnurlygayanov__: can you give an update on murano-ci? | 17:35 |
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| tnurlygayanov__ | yes | 17:35 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, actually i meant Jenkins zuul, but you're also right :) | 17:35 |
| tnurlygayanov__ | so, right now we have some problems and we work on it | 17:35 |
| ruhe | tnurlygayanov__: any estimates? when will it become stable? | 17:36 |
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| tnurlygayanov__ | I see now some new commits for dashboard tests with fixes | 17:36 |
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| tnurlygayanov__ | yes, 1-2 days and murano-ci will works for all commits | 17:37 |
| ruhe | tnurlygayanov__: so, the idea is - we ask developers to update selenium tests whenever their patch breaks the tests? | 17:37 |
| tnurlygayanov__ | today we fix big problem with RabbitMQ connectivity and started to create CI job for tests with deployment in new CI | 17:37 |
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| tnurlygayanov__ | ruhe, yes, and QA team will help to update tests | 17:38 |
| tnurlygayanov__ | in the same patch set | 17:38 |
| ruhe | tnurlygayanov__: ok. thank you | 17:38 |
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| tnurlygayanov__ | because it is only one way to save our CI tests green | 17:38 |
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| sjmc7 | i have something for open discussion if we're done with CI | 17:40 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: yes, please go ahead | 17:40 |
| sjmc7 | regarding testing also - i'd like some base classes to make it easier to run unit tests on the API | 17:41 |
| sjmc7 | i can do them unless someone else is desperate to | 17:41 |
| sjmc7 | currently we don't really have any test functions for the API other than the integration tests | 17:41 |
| sjmc7 | just stuff like faking context, setting up an inmemory database | 17:42 |
| sjmc7 | if anyone has thoughts or input i'll maybe create a blueprint or etherpad or something | 17:43 |
| sjmc7 | i can tell by the stunned silence everyone is very keen | 17:43 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: i support this idea. the only thing i'd like to discuss is DB mocking vs using in-memory sqlite for API tests | 17:44 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, we're not yet recovered from uuid vs. guid quarrel :) | 17:44 |
| sjmc7 | yeah - i'm not sure about that either. ha, tsufiev :) | 17:44 |
| sjmc7 | i sort of prefer an in-memory because it means it's testing it more like it will actually be run; otherwise changes to the DB often do not get mirrored in mocks | 17:45 |
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| tsufiev | sjmc7, unit tests for api are good, though i don't know how long current api will remain the same | 17:45 |
| sjmc7 | but i'm ok with either way | 17:45 |
| sjmc7 | ah :) | 17:45 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: my experience from other projects shows that mocking DB usually ends up with tests which tests mocks. i'd like to hear what other folks think about that | 17:45 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, that's my experience, ruhe - which is why i think i prefer using an in-memory sqllite db with migrations applied | 17:46 |
| tsufiev | afaik, sergmelikyan is currently investigating the possibilities of rewriting api | 17:46 |
| sjmc7 | ah. to what end? | 17:46 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, +1 for in-memory database | 17:46 |
| sjmc7 | i think that's even more reason to be able to write good unit tests | 17:46 |
| sergmelikyan | tsufiev, it is not quite right statement :) | 17:46 |
| sjmc7 | if the API is changing sgnificantly | 17:46 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: rewriting API is not just something you can do in a month or two. it'll take a lot of time | 17:46 |
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| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, definitely | 17:47 |
| ruhe | so, unit-tests are needed very much (this sounds like ruglish) | 17:47 |
| sjmc7 | :D | 17:47 |
| sjmc7 | your ruglish is way better than my engsian | 17:47 |
| ruhe | :) | 17:48 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i'll take a look at what other projects have done. i think glance and heat both use an in-memory DB and create fake contexts | 17:48 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: thank you for starting this | 17:48 |
| sjmc7 | thank me when i've actually started it :) | 17:48 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, btw, api is not the only component that cries for unit tests | 17:49 |
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| tsufiev | dashboard does it even more | 17:49 |
| ruhe | yes, i think we need to get back to muranopl tests | 17:50 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: is dashboard code unit-test-coverable? | 17:50 |
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| sjmc7 | django has a test framework | 17:51 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe, to some extent. that's s complicated question - not only server part needs to be tested, but also client code | 17:51 |
| sjmc7 | but since horizon mostly makes calls to outside services i'm not sure how much there is to test | 17:51 |
| ruhe | maybe selenium tests would be enough? | 17:52 |
| ruhe | * existing selenium tests | 17:52 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, maybe, once they start working :) | 17:52 |
| tsufiev | the problem with selenium tests is that can't keep the pace with changes in code | 17:53 |
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| tsufiev | ideally, one person should write the code and tests for it - which is not true for selenium tests in murano | 17:53 |
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| ruhe | tsufiev: would you personally be willing to write/update selenium tests whenever you change dashboard code? | 17:54 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 17:54 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe, first I will need at least 2 weeks to dig into this and study all the existing good practices | 17:54 |
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| tsufiev | ok, maybe a bit less... | 17:55 |
| ruhe | that's my concern with these tests. we only have two options - 1. enforce developers to maintain these tests in their patches to dashboard 2. turn off these tests on commits and run them on a regular (nightly?) basis | 17:56 |
| sjmc7 | how does horizon do it? | 17:56 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, i mean, at this moment i don't know enough about them and cannot give a conscious answer :) | 17:56 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, horizon consists of 2 parts - horizon and openstack_dashboard | 17:57 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: horizon has a very-very basic tests. afaik they only test that login panel is available | 17:57 |
| tsufiev | afaik, there unit tests for horizon | 17:57 |
| sjmc7 | but they do it with the django test framework? | 17:57 |
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| tsufiev | https://github.com/openstack/horizon/tree/master/horizon/test/tests | 17:58 |
| tsufiev | i wouldn't say there is only one test, but still not many | 17:59 |
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| tsufiev | so, muranodashboard can follow this way - unittest library part, use webtest for dashboard business logic | 17:59 |
| ruhe | we're running out of the time. tsufiev: it would be great if you and tnurlygayanov__ research existing approaches with dashboard testing and conduct some kind of a report and possible solutions/directions for us | 17:59 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe, ok | 18:00 |
| ruhe | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
| sjmc7 | thanks ruhe | 18:00 |
| tsufiev | thank you | 18:00 |
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| ruhe | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 18:00:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-06-03-17.03.html | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-06-03-17.03.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-06-03-17.03.log.html | 18:00 |
| s3wong | interesting channel topic... | 18:01 |
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| sc68cal | who's here for the Neutron QoS API subteam? | 18:01 |
| nati_ueno | hi! | 18:01 |
| s3wong | sc68cal: here | 18:01 |
| aveiga | o/ | 18:01 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 3 18:02:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 18:02 |
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| sc68cal | I haven't started building agendas for the meeting just yet, I also need to make a wiki page for us | 18:02 |
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| sc68cal | so for now we'll keep it pretty free form until we settle into a rhythm | 18:03 |
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| sc68cal | I know nati_uen_ has some stuff to share | 18:03 |
| nati_uen_ | yes | 18:03 |
| nati_uen_ | Can I share it now? | 18:03 |
| nati_uen_ | or do you guys have another topics? | 18:03 |
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| sc68cal | anyone have any other topics they want to share? | 18:04 |
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| nati_uen_ | ok, so let me share mine | 18:05 |
| nati_uen_ | I'm working on Action support for security group | 18:05 |
| nati_uen_ | BP --> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93112/ | 18:05 |
| nati_uen_ | My idea is specify qos apply rule in security group as an action | 18:05 |
| nati_uen_ | so In current QoS BP, we can apply qos resource for port and network | 18:06 |
| nati_uen_ | In addition to this, I would like to apply qos for security groups | 18:06 |
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| nati_uen_ | because it is same in most of application deployment | 18:06 |
| nati_uen_ | For example, web3tier app | 18:06 |
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| nati_uen_ | We will have, web security group, app security group and db security group | 18:07 |
| nati_uen_ | They will have different security filtering policy. | 18:07 |
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| nati_uen_ | I believe QoS configuration overwraps this grouping | 18:07 |
| aveiga | nati_uen_: are you proposing a method to add QoS to Egress rules? For instance, being able to do EF and AF to RTP and SIP, respectively? | 18:07 |
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| nati_uen_ | aveiga: yes. we can specify it engress or igress | 18:08 |
| aveiga | :) | 18:08 |
| nati_uen_ | i'm not sure all driver may support it.. | 18:08 |
| sc68cal | So - we could use the existing match criteria the sec group exposes (like port ranges) | 18:08 |
| sc68cal | then just use the QoS api to store the mark that it would apply? | 18:09 |
| nati_uen_ | yes | 18:09 |
| sc68cal | cool - less work for me :) | 18:09 |
| nati_uen_ | What I'm thinking is to use qos resources | 18:09 |
| sc68cal | instead of making drivers that do port ranges | 18:09 |
| nati_uen_ | ya hopefully :) | 18:09 |
| nati_uen_ | We can also reuse existing security group rpc internally | 18:09 |
| nati_uen_ | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/securitygroups_rpc_base.py#L353 | 18:10 |
| sc68cal | yeah, cut down on some of the RPC methods the qos api extension required | 18:10 |
| nati_uen_ | We can mix def from QoS policy in the code here | 18:10 |
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| nati_uen_ | yes | 18:10 |
| kevinbenton_ | so a security group rule would just reference a policy as an action, right? | 18:11 |
| nati_uen_ | yes | 18:11 |
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| nati_uen_ | L214 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93112/14/specs/juno/security_group_action.rst <-- | 18:11 |
| sc68cal | so another thing I wanted to make sure was still ok, was doing QoS policies per port and network, since that affects other implementations, like kevinbenton_ | 18:12 |
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| nati_uen_ | yes. IMO, we may have two way | 18:12 |
| sc68cal | perfect. :) | 18:12 |
| kevinbenton_ | sounds good | 18:12 |
| nati_uen_ | OK Thanks. Let's collaborate on this | 18:12 |
| kevinbenton_ | so actually if the reference is from the security group side, what do you need on the qos db side? | 18:13 |
| sc68cal | I think the security group action would reference the qos_id | 18:13 |
| nati_uen_ | if you like spec, let me do some poc work | 18:13 |
| nati_uen_ | I don't think it will impact qos design | 18:13 |
| nati_uen_ | on API | 18:14 |
| nati_uen_ | rcp part may be simplifed | 18:14 |
| nati_uen_ | I tried to make it working till this meeting, but it looks like need some more time | 18:14 |
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| sc68cal | no worries | 18:14 |
| nati_uen_ | hopefully, I could share the poc in next meeting | 18:15 |
| sc68cal | cool | 18:16 |
| nati_uen_ | ok that is all from me | 18:16 |
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| sc68cal | I have some work to do on the DB side for the qos API, so I'll be updating my review in time for next meeting too | 18:16 |
| nati_uen_ | OK | 18:16 |
| kevinbenton_ | nati_uen_ that sounds good | 18:16 |
| nati_uen_ | kevinbenton_: Thanks | 18:16 |
| nati_uen_ | it is great if we could remove WIP in qos bp | 18:17 |
| sc68cal | most likely it'll still be WIP, but I'll try and address some reviewer comments and other things | 18:17 |
| s3wong | sc68cal: would you mind posting a link to your review (so far)? | 18:17 |
| sc68cal | s3wong: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/ml2-qos,n,z | 18:17 |
| nati_uen_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88599/ | 18:17 |
| s3wong | sc68cal: thanks | 18:17 |
| sc68cal | boy are gerrit reviews ugly. | 18:17 |
| sc68cal | I'll also update the spec from the comments people posted. Which by the way, thanks!! | 18:18 |
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| kevinbenton_ | trailing whitespaces! | 18:18 |
| sc68cal | and /qoses.json :) | 18:18 |
| nati_uen_ | he he | 18:19 |
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| sc68cal | I am really convinced that the neutron-spec is a Good Thing | 18:19 |
| nati_uen_ | ya | 18:19 |
| sc68cal | because the QOS api extension stuff was just all. over. the. place. | 18:19 |
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| sc68cal | mailing list, launchpad, commit messages..... | 18:19 |
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| kevinbenton_ | ® | 18:19 |
| * nati_uen_ wondering how kevin input the magic word | 18:20 | |
| kevinbenton_ | had to google it, that’s why i was too slow to get it right after Good Thing® | 18:20 |
| nati_uen_ | "Good Thing®" ha ha ha | 18:20 |
| sc68cal | Good Thing™ | 18:20 |
| nati_uen_ | ♫ | 18:20 |
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| nati_uen_ | so all topic is covered? | 18:21 |
| sc68cal | I think so - I'll just switch to open discussion since I don't have a real agenda yet :) | 18:21 |
| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 18:21 |
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| nati_uen_ | so ref impl is ovs based, right? | 18:22 |
| sc68cal | correct | 18:22 |
| nati_uen_ | ok | 18:22 |
| nati_uen_ | so ml2 + ovs mech driver | 18:22 |
| nati_uen_ | support it | 18:22 |
| nati_uen_ | how we specify directions? | 18:22 |
| sc68cal | yes - and there is a ml2 + lb mech impl for ratelimit | 18:22 |
| nati_uen_ | ok | 18:22 |
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| nati_uen_ | ingress only? | 18:23 |
| kevinbenton_ | the reference won’t be able to rate limit, just tag, right? | 18:23 |
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| sc68cal | I think egress | 18:23 |
| nati_uen_ | ok | 18:23 |
| nati_uen_ | Can we use it in virtual router? | 18:23 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/96331 | 18:23 |
| nati_uen_ | ok Thanks | 18:23 |
| sc68cal | I would imagine so, tag the virtual router's port with a rate-limit policy | 18:23 |
| nati_uen_ | so someone will apply rate limit by tag? | 18:24 |
| sc68cal | unsure | 18:24 |
| sc68cal | do you mean by .1q tag? | 18:24 |
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| nati_uen_ | ah may be I don't understand the meaning of "just tag" | 18:25 |
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| sc68cal | Ahhhh | 18:25 |
| sc68cal | ok I mean like | 18:25 |
| s3wong | sc68cal: .1p is priority tagging, if I remember correctly? | 18:25 |
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| sc68cal | neutron port-update <router port ID> --qos <ratelimit policy ID> | 18:26 |
| sc68cal | sorry for the confusion | 18:26 |
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| s3wong | sc68cal: what is the definition of ratelimit policy? | 18:26 |
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| s3wong | (sorry, too lazy to look up now...) | 18:27 |
| sc68cal | fairly basic | 18:27 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88599/3/specs/juno/qos-api-extension.rst | 18:27 |
| sc68cal | line.... 80 | 18:27 |
| sc68cal | but I think I need to coordinate with the Linuxbridge ratelimit spec author to verify | 18:27 |
| s3wong | OK. kbps | 18:27 |
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| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96331/4/specs/juno/ml2-qos-linuxbridge.rst | 18:28 |
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| nati_uen_ | ok so any other topics? | 18:31 |
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| kevinbenton_ | nothing from me | 18:31 |
| nati_uen_ | me too | 18:31 |
| s3wong | I am interested in QoS due to group-policy policy-rule action | 18:31 |
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| s3wong | but will have to look at the current proposal to better understood how we can utilize this | 18:32 |
| sc68cal | Currently, I think GP is going to consume the qos API | 18:32 |
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| sc68cal | or at least the hope is to minimize duplication by having the GP drive the qos API | 18:32 |
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| s3wong | sc68cal: sounds good - quite honestly we don't yet have any definition on how to set QoS as action | 18:33 |
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| s3wong | but utilizing the qos API directly is a good plan | 18:33 |
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| sc68cal | Anything else? I can give everyone back half an our | 18:35 |
| sc68cal | *hour | 18:35 |
| s3wong | all good | 18:35 |
| sc68cal | I'll make a subteam wiki page so we can start building agendas for things people want to talk about :) | 18:35 |
| sc68cal | #action sc68cal make a subteam wiki page | 18:35 |
| s3wong | sounds great | 18:36 |
| sc68cal | OK then everyone, thanks for joining, see everyone next week! | 18:36 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 18:36 |
| s3wong | bye | 18:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 18:36:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2014/neutron_qos.2014-06-03-18.02.html | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2014/neutron_qos.2014-06-03-18.02.txt | 18:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2014/neutron_qos.2014-06-03-18.02.log.html | 18:36 |
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| tchaypo | oh good, I'm already here | 18:57 |
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| jdob | o/ | 19:00 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:00 |
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| lifeless | o/ | 19:00 |
| jprovazn | hi | 19:00 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:00 |
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| bnemec | \o | 19:00 |
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| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 3 19:01:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:01 |
| Ng | .o/ | 19:01 |
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| greghaynes | O/ | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:01 |
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| jcoufal | o/ | 19:01 |
| lifeless | bugs | 19:01 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:01 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:01 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:01 |
| lifeless | CI | 19:01 |
| lifeless | Tuskar | 19:01 |
| lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:01 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:01 |
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| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:02 |
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| rwsu | hi | 19:02 |
| derekh_ | hi | 19:02 |
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| matty_dubs | o/ | 19:02 |
| slagle | hello | 19:03 |
| jistr | o/ | 19:03 |
| dprince | hello TripleO | 19:03 |
| shadower | hey | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 19:03 |
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| jrist | o/ | 19:03 |
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| tchaypo | applmorgens | 19:04 |
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| lifeless | triage is looking a lot better. thank you to the folk that got on top of it! | 19:04 |
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| tchaypo | stevek and i got through a bunch in an office together last friday | 19:04 |
| lifeless | looks like a bunch of the criticals will be fixed by the next release | 19:05 |
| lifeless | but their bug state isn't quite right | 19:05 |
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| lifeless | e.g. why is https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1318039 a partial fix? | 19:06 |
| lifeless | dprince: ^ | 19:06 |
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| dprince | lifeless: it should be fully fixed by my patch I think | 19:07 |
| lifeless | ok, will tweak to fix committed | 19:07 |
| dprince | lifeless: Initially I thought we might do both... | 19:07 |
| lifeless | could folk take just a minute and review the criticals list particularly in the tripleo bug container | 19:08 |
| lifeless | and if anything there is incorrect or stale fix it? | 19:08 |
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| * dprince marks 1318039 as fix committed | 19:08 | |
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| tchaypo | as far as I can tell mestery's fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1290486 is working well, we've had a few other people comment to say that it's fixed for them. | 19:10 |
| mestery | tchaypo: Yay! | 19:10 |
| lifeless | cool, was that in Neutron? can we close our end of it ? | 19:11 |
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| SpamapS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1317056 needs a volunteer | 19:12 |
| tchaypo | our end is marked "fix commited" which i think is right | 19:12 |
| rpodolyaka1 | SpamapS: just assigned it to myself :) | 19:12 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: ah no | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | rpodolyaka1: \o/ | 19:13 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: fix committed means 'the next release of that project will fix the issue' | 19:13 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: AIUI the change is not in a tripleo codebase | 19:13 |
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| tchaypo | lifeless: ah, good point. in progress then? | 19:14 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: so theres some idiomatic use of the tracker here; if the bug shows up in tripleo we have a task for it; once fixed and we don't need to see it anymore, then we typically close it | 19:14 |
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| lifeless | I'd close fix released (as good as anything really) | 19:15 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: \o/ | 19:15 |
| lifeless | ok, any more bug discussion ? | 19:15 |
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| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:16 |
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| lifeless | http://www.nemebean.com/reviewstats/tripleo-open.html | 19:17 |
| lifeless | ulp | 19:17 |
| lifeless | no worse | 19:17 |
| lifeless | but also no better | 19:17 |
| lifeless | 19:17 | |
| lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:17 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 9 days, 17 hours, 20 minutes | 19:17 |
| lifeless | 1rd quartile wait time: 3 days, 7 hours, 25 minutes | 19:17 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 5 days, 19 hours, 43 minutes | 19:17 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 12 days, 7 hours, 32 minutes | 19:17 |
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| lifeless | stats are a few days old but close enough I think | 19:18 |
| lifeless | lets try for 11 next week? I"ll be doing a reviewer roundup this week, since its the first of the month | 19:18 |
| bnemec | Oh, sorry. Updated my web server and I may have broken the file transfer... | 19:19 |
| shadower | my reviews dropped in the last few weeks because reasons, will start doing them again properly now | 19:19 |
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| lifeless | ok, cool | 19:20 |
| lifeless | design reviews | 19:20 |
| jdob | i've been too heads down on specs too, I need to resurface and look at normal reviews | 19:20 |
| lifeless | I'm not seeing enough folk comment on the specs | 19:20 |
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| jdob | is there a full policy on when a spec will be accepted? (or want me to hold that until open discussion?) | 19:20 |
| jdob | i know we're leaving the +A for lifeless but not sure when he pulls that trigger | 19:21 |
| tchaypo | I commented on a few but I haven't followed up. Will try to do that today. I have seen a few items that should be specs but haven't written any of them up | 19:21 |
| lifeless | jdob: so at the moment I am feeling my way | 19:21 |
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| lifeless | how long to wait for ops input | 19:21 |
| lifeless | how much consensus amongst the review community is needed | 19:21 |
| lifeless | I don't have an algorithm yet | 19:21 |
| jdob | word, that totally makes sense since it's a new process | 19:22 |
| lifeless | its a very good question | 19:22 |
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| lifeless | and one of the ways we can learn is us as a group saying 'hey, that needed to bake longer', and 'oi, get that one off the stove' | 19:22 |
| lifeless | I thinkk the general process though is draft-> core reviews until broadlyhappy, ops and user reviews, final polish, +A | 19:23 |
| jdob | and related to specs, can we get someone to write up specs/blueprints for the tht changes? ive seen it referenced in 3 reviews now without a link to it | 19:23 |
| jdob | personally, I could really use a summary of what the changes will look like | 19:23 |
| jdob | outside of the email outlining the high level steps | 19:24 |
| lifeless | the tht changes ? | 19:24 |
| shadower | jdob: you mean stuff like the HOT conversion, reducing merge.py impact etc? | 19:24 |
| jdob | conversion to HOT templates, pulling out provider resources, etc | 19:24 |
| jdob | (got lazy in my typing, sorry) | 19:24 |
| jdob | shadower: ya, that's it | 19:24 |
| lifeless | +1, love to see some prose around that | 19:25 |
| shadower | we've kind of hashed that out on the mailing list, I could specify | 19:25 |
| shadower | spec'ify | 19:25 |
| jdob | it's important for Tuskar and i'd like to have something to point the people who pay me at to say "This is a dependency" | 19:25 |
| shadower | k, will do | 19:25 |
| jdob | hopefully it'll be easy then if its just converting the email into spec | 19:25 |
| jdob | thanks shadower :D | 19:25 |
| jdob | last comment on this topic, I really dig this spec process | 19:25 |
| shadower | +1 | 19:25 |
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| shadower | I'm not a fan of gerrit's UI but it sure beats launchpad blueprints for discussions | 19:26 |
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| jdob | same on both accounts | 19:26 |
| jdob | both counts? | 19:26 |
| jdob | not actually sure what the real phrase is | 19:26 |
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| lifeless | counts | 19:26 |
| slagle | need gerrit to actually render the rst | 19:27 |
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| jdob | good to know :) | 19:27 |
| jdob | dude, yes | 19:27 |
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| lifeless | I belive its a reference to double-counting systems like votes | 19:27 |
| * SpamapS doesn't understand why people hate on Gerrit.. but w'ever. :) | 19:27 | |
| jrist | early and often? | 19:27 |
| jdob | i've been checking them out because it's way easier to generate and read them | 19:27 |
| lifeless | where two groups that don't trust each other cross-check :) | 19:27 |
| shadower | SpamapS: not hate, but it's got its warts | 19:27 |
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| jdob | appropriate phrase to use around here then :) | 19:27 |
| derekh_ | the gate-tripleo-specs-docs generates the docs doesn't it | 19:28 |
| jdob | er, meaning to read them that way | 19:28 |
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| derekh_ | but it would be noce to comment agains a rendered rst... ponys | 19:28 |
| jdob | as compared to straight rst | 19:28 |
| jdob | which, despite their claims of being WYSIWYG, is exactly not that (but I digress) | 19:28 |
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| slagle | derekh_: oh does it? | 19:29 |
| derekh_ | slagle: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/26/95026/2/check/gate-tripleo-specs-docs/ad3398a/doc/build/html/specs/juno/tripleo-juno-ci-improvements.html | 19:29 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:30 |
| jdob | oh crap, that's handy | 19:30 |
| lifeless | moving on | 19:30 |
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| lifeless | #topic projects needing releases | 19:30 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | you can count on me | 19:30 |
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| tchaypo | you can find the generated RST from the "gate-tripleo-specs-docs" link in the jenkins comment | 19:30 |
| lifeless | \o/ | 19:30 |
| lifeless | #action rpodolyaka1 to save the universe^W^W^Wrelease the world | 19:30 |
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| lifeless | #topic CD Cloud Status | 19:31 |
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| lifeless | HP region one is mid rebuild | 19:31 |
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| lifeless | AFAIK the RH region one is fine | 19:31 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: yup, R2 seems to be tocking along ok | 19:31 |
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| lifeless | #topic CI | 19:32 |
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| lifeless | joe gordon is gluing our logs into elastic-recheck at the moment | 19:32 |
| derekh_ | new version of CI spec is out there, | 19:32 |
| lifeless | this should help us get more figures on specific failures | 19:32 |
| lifeless | derekh_: cool! | 19:32 |
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| lifeless | I'd also like to say word up to pcrews who has joined TripleO within HP | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | we did have one weird thing where swift/glance broke nodepool btw | 19:33 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: it wont include the fedora logs, I looked into that today and can add systemd support on top of it when he has it finished | 19:33 |
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| lifeless | and is apparently very interested in CI things :) | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | but I believe infra is working on a fix and it was a temporary problem | 19:33 |
| * pcrews waves and is happy to join the party :) | 19:33 | |
| pcrews | and also does love CI tinkering in general | 19:33 |
| lifeless | also tchaypo has applied to be a tripleo-cd-admin | 19:33 |
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| SpamapS | derekh_: we could just turn off binary journalling and use those crazy text based logs. ;) | 19:34 |
| * tchaypo is a sucker | 19:34 | |
| dprince | SpamapS: yeah, last we talked that was a temporary image upload fluke right? | 19:34 |
| lifeless | so let me remind all the tripleo-cd-admins we look for much more than 2x+2 - please indicate your support on his self-adding-proposal | 19:34 |
| derekh_ | SpamapS: k, didn't know that was possible | 19:34 |
| derekh_ | SpamapS: I was just gonns write the logs out to unit specific files at the end of the ci run | 19:34 |
| lifeless | (or your lack of support if appropriate :)) | 19:35 |
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| lifeless | tchaypo: whats the url ? | 19:35 |
| lifeless | derekh_: whatever works | 19:35 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: tchaypo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95614/ | 19:36 |
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| lifeless | pcrews: so derekh_ is a great person with fairly large tz overlap with you to find CI things to poke at | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | derekh_: I believe you can teach rsyslogd to read from the systemd journal | 19:37 |
| lifeless | pcrews: once you've got some experience with the particulars you might also consider being an admin | 19:37 |
| pcrews | cool and ++. | 19:37 |
| derekh_ | pcrews: lifeless I'm also currently writing some docs on how CI is put together so should have something for you to read up on soon | 19:37 |
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| lifeless | pcrews: taking his 'fix CI' spec from the tripleo-specs review queue and a) thoughtfully reviewing and b) starting to action stuff in parallel would be great | 19:38 |
| derekh_ | pcrews: but feel free to poke me with questions | 19:38 |
| lifeless | ok, moving on ? | 19:38 |
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| lifeless | #topic Tuskar | 19:38 |
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| derekh_ | SpamapS: ok cool, will see if it makes more sense | 19:38 |
| jdob | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94720 | 19:38 |
| jdob | i'd very much appreciate eyes on that, it's the Tuskar REST API spec | 19:39 |
| jdob | that's kinda gonna drive everything for Juno | 19:39 |
| lifeless | jcoufal requested this section. jcoufal - please let us know what you want touched on, if there is anything specific | 19:39 |
| jdob | also recently submitted is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97553/, which is the new storage backend for Tuskar | 19:39 |
| jdob | those are the big two Tuskar could use eyes on, and like I already requested, some notes on the template conversion (which was resolved earlier in the meeting) | 19:39 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: I wanted to have this topic regularly, not just today with some specifics. In general I would like us to discuss progress, news and what needs attention in Tuskar (e.g. reviews, blockers, etc) | 19:40 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: thats fine - I realised you wanted a regular section | 19:41 |
| tchaypo | So what's news in Tuskar-land? | 19:42 |
| lifeless | that said, reviews and bugs should happen in the reviews and bugs sections IMO | 19:42 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: anyhow, you have the stage :) | 19:42 |
| tchaypo | no pressure ;) | 19:42 |
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| jdob | lifeless: sorry, I wasnt sure where to drop that request for eyes, here or the reviews section | 19:42 |
| jcoufal | yeah, I think majority is covered in jdob specs | 19:43 |
| jcoufal | jdob: would you mind to cover the progress there in few words? | 19:43 |
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| jdob | ok, quick summary: | 19:43 |
| jdob | the REST API spec changes the model of Tuskar talking to Heat to making Tuskar more of a planning service | 19:43 |
| jdob | for saving, configuring, organizing, etc the heat templates | 19:44 |
| jdob | thats in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94720 | 19:44 |
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| jdob | to anyone who has looked, it's changed quite a bit last friday, so worth another look | 19:44 |
| jdob | the second major change is instead of having a database backend and a special domain model, it's going to be much closer tied to HOT | 19:44 |
| jdob | that's in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97553/ which was just posted this morning | 19:44 |
| jdob | i haven't read it yet, but my understanding is that it talks about using other OpenStack options for storing the heat templates and environment files | 19:45 |
| jdob | those two things are the major driving changes in Juno | 19:45 |
| * tchaypo stars reviews for review post-caffeine | 19:45 | |
| jdob | the third piece, the one that assembles the Heat templates inside of the Tuskar service, is a WIP | 19:45 |
| jdob | that i'm currently working on | 19:45 |
| jdob | when not banging my head against a keyboard | 19:46 |
| jcoufal | thanks jdob for the summary | 19:46 |
| tchaypo | Both of the first two reviews you linked also seem to be workflow -1 | 19:46 |
| jdob | oh crud, I need to remove the -1 from the REST API | 19:46 |
| tchaypo | which my understanding is equivalent to "WIP" or "not yet ready for review" | 19:46 |
| jdob | not sure about the latter, I'll take that up with dmakogon_ | 19:46 |
| tchaypo | at least, i think that's what the red X in the workflow column means | 19:46 |
| jdob | er, dougal | 19:46 |
| jdob | i can see why you'd think that. i've still reviewed those for specs | 19:47 |
| jdob | figuring people are claiming they have stuff that warrants eyes but isn't intended to be merged yet | 19:47 |
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| jdob | though that might just be me interpretting things differently in the spec repo | 19:48 |
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| lifeless | -1 workflow == WIP == draft == cannot merge => lower review priority | 19:48 |
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| jdob | regardless, in this case, I'm requesting eyes on both and I'll get the -1 workflow sorted out | 19:48 |
| lifeless | kk | 19:48 |
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| jdob | thanks :D | 19:48 |
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| lifeless | anything more tuskar specific? | 19:48 |
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| jdob | not from my end, everything I've been doing is in spec-form | 19:49 |
| jcoufal | regarding tripleo/tuskar-ui, I am not going to talk a lot about it since it falls under Horizon now, but it is topic relevant. Anyway, no updates here :) | 19:49 |
| d0ugal | jdob, tchaypo - the second is ready for review - I just need to do a few minor tweaks. Mostly to do with wording etc. | 19:49 |
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| lifeless | ok | 19:51 |
| lifeless | #tpoic open discussion | 19:51 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:51 |
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| tchaypo | mid-cycle meetup dates | 19:51 |
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| jcoufal | here we go :) | 19:51 |
| lifeless | so yeah | 19:51 |
| lifeless | I've chatted with devananda and mikal | 19:51 |
| lifeless | we don't want TripleO to overlap with Nova | 19:51 |
| lifeless | too many folk need to be at both | 19:52 |
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| lifeless | and we don't want to colocate - Nova has a very full schedule already and its quite a different sort of meetup | 19:52 |
| jcoufal | lifeless: when do they plan to have it? | 19:52 |
| lifeless | less do-y more design-y-only | 19:52 |
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| tchaypo | So that rules out the mid-July date? | 19:53 |
| jcoufal | based on devananda's comment it looks that all three dates overlap | 19:54 |
| jcoufal | And thinking about August, it is very close to the end of the cycle | 19:54 |
| tchaypo | they all seem to overlp with something, except for the mid-august date, and that's very late in the cycle. | 19:54 |
| jcoufal | tchaypo: exactly | 19:54 |
| jcoufal | any suggestions? | 19:54 |
| lifeless | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-midcycle-options | 19:55 |
| lifeless | I'd rather be near the end of the cycle than not at all | 19:55 |
| tchaypo | If we could bring back concorde so that people could get between raleigh and pycon-au easier... | 19:55 |
| lifeless | so I'd like to suggest that the 11th august makes the most sense to me | 19:56 |
| * greghaynes adds bring back concorde to trello | 19:56 | |
| jdob | I can do august 11 | 19:56 |
| jcoufal | so we are thinking Aug11? | 19:57 |
| greghaynes | Add that date to the etherpad? | 19:57 |
| jcoufal | I will | 19:57 |
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| jdob | want to put a deadline on voting so we can settle on something? | 19:58 |
| derekh_ | Can we have a cut off for new days being added to the etherpad | 19:58 |
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| jcoufal | done | 19:58 |
| greghaynes | yesplz | 19:58 |
| bnemec | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-midcycle-meetup | 19:58 |
| derekh_ | jdob: +1 | 19:59 |
| jcoufal | jdob: I will leave a bit more time there and we will see how it goes | 19:59 |
| jdob | sure, but set an end | 19:59 |
| jcoufal | after we might put a deadline | 19:59 |
| jdob | thursday? | 19:59 |
| jdob | end of week? | 19:59 |
| jcoufal | jdob: too early | 19:59 |
| jdob | kk | 19:59 |
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| jcoufal | let's wait until next weeks meeting | 20:00 |
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| jcoufal | and we can set a deadline there | 20:00 |
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| jcoufal | I will write the update to the mailing list | 20:00 |
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| lifeless | ok, we're out of time. Thanks for playing, have a good day / night/whatever :)) | 20:00 |
| lifeless | jcoufal: thanks! | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 20:00:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-06-03-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| jdob | o/ | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-06-03-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-06-03-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
| jcoufal | thank you guys, have a great day/night/whatever | 20:01 |
| matty_dubs | See ya, jcoufal! | 20:01 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | thanks all! good night! | 20:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 3 22:00:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2014-06-03_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:00 |
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| ewindisch | o/ | 22:00 |
| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:00 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey | 22:00 |
| Slower | o/ Ian Main | 22:00 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 22:01 |
| dguryanov | Dmitry Guryanov | 22:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Welcome everyone. | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:02 |
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| thomasem | o/ | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | any announcements from team members? | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to begin an ML thread for input on our Top Themes, and formation of a Wiki page to clearly document them for future reference | 22:03 |
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| ewindisch | we formed a nova-docker subteam | 22:03 |
| ctracey | hola | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | aah, back to Announcements ;-) | 22:04 |
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| ewindisch | uh, that was it? ;-) | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | ewindisch: you are welcome to link that here if you wish | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to begin an ML thread for input on our Top Themes, and formation of a Wiki page to clearly document them for future reference | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | Status complete | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-May/035977.html ML Thread for Top Themes | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to attend upcoming Nova meeting, and report Containers Team position on cinder support for containers in Nova | 22:05 |
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| adrian_otto | Status complete | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Questions about Containers+Cinder | 22:05 |
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| adrian_otto | (PhilD) Does not supporting cinder mean that a system using containers won't pass the DevRef standard ? | 22:06 |
| Slower | We were just looking into that | 22:06 |
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| funzo | what Slower said | 22:06 |
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| Slower | I have no answers though heh | 22:06 |
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| ewindisch | adrian_otto: that’s been a big concern of mine - and there is no real solid answer | 22:06 |
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| ewindisch | except that I spoke to Josh McKenty and Rob Hirschfield, and they both stated that they’d - ideally - like to make it such that Docker can pass DefCore standards | 22:07 |
| ewindisch | (and containers) | 22:07 |
| ewindisch | that if there is an issue, it may lie in problems in the DefCore definitions, rather than an innate inability of containers to comply... | 22:08 |
| Slower | what would be involved to get eg docker to support cinder? | 22:08 |
| ctracey | There are a lot of "hypervisor" agnostic OpenStack use cases that have no need for Cinder | 22:09 |
| Slower | or is that just a no go? someone want to give a little background? | 22:09 |
| ewindisch | but yes, as-of-right-now, lack of Cinder support would fail a RefStack and thus DefCore check | 22:09 |
| ewindisch | Slower: I’ve done the analysis. Implementing it would be no more difficult than the pause/unpause work | 22:09 |
| Slower | to me that sounds reasonable then.. | 22:10 |
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| adrian_otto | so is it appropriate to relax the requirement, or is there a way to technically meet the requirement, even if that approach is theoretical? | 22:10 |
| Slower | I'd be willing to take that on | 22:10 |
| funzo | ewindisch: Slower sounds like a good thing to do this week. | 22:10 |
| funzo | Slower: you mean we. WE, man | 22:10 |
| Slower | with the amazing funzo's help | 22:10 |
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| ctracey | I think the requirement needs to be relaxed even if it gets implemented | 22:10 |
| Slower | funzo: but of course :) | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | ok, is there a concrete reference to the Defcore requirement we are concerned about? | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to record it with a #link if possible | 22:11 |
| ewindisch | I’m good until Thursday, but then I go to SF for Dockercon and will be out-of-pocket until Wedsday or Thursday | 22:11 |
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| Slower | ewindisch: ok we'll hit you up for info tomorrow | 22:11 |
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| ewindisch | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/RefStack/DefCore_Requirements | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | Slower: are you willing to take an action item to identify technical options for better meeting the cinder integration expectations? | 22:12 |
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| ewindisch | strictly speaking, that forwards you to the implementation of refstack which lists this: https://github.com/stackforge/refstack/blob/master/defcore/havana/coretests.json | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | thanks ewindisch | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/RefStack/DefCore_Requirements | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://github.com/stackforge/refstack/blob/master/defcore/havana/coretests.json | 22:13 |
| ewindisch | Slower: sounds good. I even have a patch started on the nova-docker side | 22:13 |
| Slower | adrian_otto: sure | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | what I'd be looking for is preposals for what more sensible requirements might be, and what options exist for implementation that close the gap toward that | 22:13 |
| ewindisch | the big gap in defcore compatibility isn’t in supporting Cinder | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | #action Slower to identify implementation options for adding cinder support to nova-docker to more closely meet expectations for DefCore criteria | 22:14 |
| ewindisch | but the inability of containers to actually mount filesystems | 22:14 |
| Slower | adrian_otto: well basically Im going to try to implement it for nova docker | 22:14 |
| Slower | yeah | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | a pull request is fine ;-) | 22:14 |
| Slower | good then :) | 22:14 |
| ewindisch | that is, we can support cinder from the docker driver, but we can’t pass refstack tests as they exist today without mounting filesystems | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so ctracey does this address your concern? | 22:15 |
| ewindisch | and it’s up for debate as to if that should be a defcore requirement | 22:15 |
| ctracey | Yes. Though I think this is bigger than docker integration itself. | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so one option to deal with that would be to meet with the Coredef committee, right? | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | and raise this subject for discussion there | 22:16 |
| ctracey | Yep | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | does anyone know when they meet, or could peek at the list of meeting schedules to find out? | 22:17 |
| ewindisch | adrian_otto: yes. I would preface that with actually getting cinder support in nova-docker and seeing to having a basic ‘just dd to the disk’ test in Tempest | 22:17 |
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| adrian_otto | ewindisch: that's fair | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | we don't have to activate on this immediately, but I'd like to work this from both ends if we don't need the cinder requirements to be as strict | 22:18 |
| ewindisch | adrian_otto: Thursday is the refstack/defcore meeting… I’ve been making sure to attend since the sumit | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | ewindisch: ok, thanks | 22:18 |
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| ewindisch | *summit | 22:18 |
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| adrian_otto | so should we wait a week or two, and then add this subject to the agenda for that meeting once we have naieve support for cinder in nova-docker? | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | we will have this same concern for other virt drivers as well | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | or other downstream technology that we might access through libvirt, etc. | 22:19 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to follow up with Slower and ewindisch to determine when we should address cinder requirements with refstack team | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | any other thoughts on this question? | 22:20 |
| dguryanov | What about mounts from host? Isn't it simpler to add another API call to nova ? | 22:20 |
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| ewindisch | dguryanov: there are security concerns with that | 22:21 |
| ewindisch | filesystem mounting can easily compromise the host | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | it could be offered as a use-at-your-own-risk feature, right? | 22:22 |
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| adrian_otto | there are some environments where that might be acceptable | 22:22 |
| ewindisch | but yes, there are workarounds. You could launch a qemu instance, mount the filesystem, then use NFS (or something) to serve back to the container. | 22:23 |
| Slower | that requires knowlegeable users though | 22:23 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, let's wrap on this one for this week | 22:23 |
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| adrian_otto | we will revisit this in the action items review at our next week meeting. | 22:24 |
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| adrian_otto | with any luck we might have reviews to reference | 22:24 |
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| adrian_otto | and we can also revisit this in our Open Discussion | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Containers in OpenStack -- Review Top Themes | 22:25 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/Containers#Top_Themes Top Themes from Stakeholders | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | do you all think we are focusing in the right areas? barking up the wrong tree? | 22:25 |
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| adrian_otto | that wiki is a derivative of: | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/containers Containers Etherpad | 22:25 |
| ewindisch | I’m happy with it. Do you want to call a vote? | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | only if we feel we need one | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | I'm open to hearing any suggestions to tweak it, and just use this as a tool for guiding our focus | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | if not, I'll advance to a more interesting topic | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Identify Preferred Implementation Approaches | 22:27 |
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| adrian_otto | Identify Implementation options identified in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/containers and determine if there is consensus for a primary approach. | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | so over the last couple of weeks we explored some pro/con arguments for each of the implementation options. This consensus will answer the question: "Where do containers fit in OpenStack?" | 22:28 |
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| adrian_otto | so before we debate the merits of each, I'd like to ask if there are other options that should be on that list? | 22:29 |
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| ewindisch | I’m still not sure how #3 differs from #1… they both read as, “add extensions to Nova”, how those extensions look is TBD | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | note that option 3 could be implemented using a host agent or a guest agent, or both | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | ewindisch: ^ | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | whereas, #1 probably ony addresses the functionality set that VMs and containers have in common | 22:31 |
| ewindisch | adrian_otto: #1 lists, “- implement containers extensions to sit on top / extend Nova “ | 22:31 |
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| ewindisch | maybe scratch that line from #1 and move it to #3 for clarity? | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for moving that | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok, are there more options? | 22:33 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so let's take a quick poll to see where we are starting | 22:34 |
| ewindisch | #afterstack | 22:34 |
| ewindisch | ;-) | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | what's the heading number of the option you currently prefer? | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | 3 | 22:35 |
| ewindisch | in this case, my guiding principle has been to do #3 with an open door to #5, as I don’t think we can make a solid determination on that without a better plan for what those containers extensions will look like for Nova. | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | yes, 3 does not preclude 5. | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | so I suppose we might narrow the options to what to do first | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | and then expand on taht with some future vision for where to head next | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | so we have two indications of #3, do I hear others? | 22:36 |
| Slower | I think #3 is the best balance and most attainable | 22:37 |
| ewindisch | I should clarify I’m suggesting we do planning for #3, then decide if we should continue with #3, switch to #2, or switch to #5. | 22:37 |
| dguryanov | 3. as virt driver + extend nova, if I anderstood correctly | 22:37 |
| Slower | and we can basically start with #1 and add #3 features | 22:37 |
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| adrian_otto | Slower: yes. | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any more thoughts? | 22:38 |
| Slower | it seems like #1 has pretty good political backing | 22:38 |
| ewindisch | Slower: agreed, but #3 is an extension of #1, more than a divergent option | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | I have not found any stackers who think that Containers should not fit anywhere | 22:39 |
| ewindisch | “do everything we can to the Nova API then do the rest in extensions" | 22:39 |
| ewindisch | adrian_otto: you haven’t spoken to Joe Gordon, then ;-) | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | but we have not yet reached consensus about where they belong short, medium, and long term | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | ewindisch: is it possible for us to express his point of view in a fair way, so we can understand it? | 22:40 |
| meghal | so in #3 by host-agent does it refer to something like a docker daemon running on compute hosts ? and nova-api interacting with that agent ? | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | meghal: Yes, thats one way to deal with it. We could have a nova extension that talks to a combination of host and/or guest agents to deal with the "inside the os" functionality | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | another option is to have a separate API endpoint for that, and only use nova for the "outside the os" functionality set | 22:42 |
| ewindisch | adrian_otto: sorry, I was kidding - I believe his expression was more of, “containers shouldn’t be everywhere” - rather than, “anywhere”. | 22:42 |
| dguryanov | What about application containers? 3. is suitable only for lightweight-VM-containers | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | dguryanov: agreed, an app container (such as a JVM, if I understand you) would be better managed by an approach like #2. | 22:43 |
| meghal | adrian_otto: thanks, so by guest-agents we are also looking into possibility of inside vm OS scenarios…so coming into picture after vm instances are already booted | 22:43 |
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| adrian_otto | meghal: yes. For example, if we want to support the running of a process within the container for example, with a particular shell environment set at boot time. | 22:44 |
| ewindisch | adrian_otto: I understood his question more directed at docker-style microservices versus lxc/openvz “full OS” containers | 22:44 |
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| ctracey | isnt that already doable in nova-docker today? | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | ctracey: yes. | 22:45 |
| ewindisch | actually #3 does raise some interesting points if we look at implementing these features for V | 22:45 |
| ewindisch | VMs | 22:46 |
| ewindisch | right now, we can specify the command-line for Docker containers, but that is seen as mapped to the kernel command-line | 22:46 |
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| meghal | adrian_otto: got it…thanks…yes, ewindisch I actually confused #3 with vms and thought about interacting with qemu guest agent inside the vms | 22:46 |
| meghal | qemu guest agent for example | 22:47 |
| ewindisch | if we wanted to extend the nova api to run a command “inside the OS”, then the mapping between kernel and OS is mismatched | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | +1 | 22:47 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I had Host Agent Discussion on the agenda, knowing that we would use more time on the previous discussion | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | I'm planning to keep that there for next week, and have you all think about this, and watch for ML discussion on the topic | 22:48 |
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| adrian_otto | so I will open us up for Open Discussion now | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:49 |
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| ewindisch | first - back to Cinder... | 22:49 |
| ewindisch | one big stopper is that attaching block devices to the host is responsiblity of the virt driver | 22:49 |
| ewindisch | that is, connecting iscsi, fiber-channel, coraid, etc… is all virt-driver specific | 22:50 |
| dguryanov | I think we could move code from libvirt's driver to some common lib | 22:50 |
| ewindisch | yes, we can, and I’ve spoken to mikal about it. | 22:50 |
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| ewindisch | he is okay with us doing that, even with the containers code outside the tree, but we need to do the blueprint | 22:50 |
| ewindisch | I promised it, but haven’t delivered on it yet. :) | 22:51 |
| ewindisch | I was planning to have that ready for this week’s Nova meeting, though | 22:52 |
| dguryanov | So who will actually fix the code? | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | Slower? | 22:54 |
| Slower | hehe | 22:54 |
| ewindisch | dguryanov: I’m willing/able to do work on it, but I’d appreciate help from anyone willing (Slower?) | 22:54 |
| Slower | yeah I can help | 22:54 |
| Slower | funzo will too I bet :) | 22:54 |
| Slower | I guess just calling to libvirt won't work? | 22:55 |
| Slower | seems like splitting it out is not the best idea? | 22:55 |
| ewindisch | Slower: it doesn’t belong in virt/libvirt, it can be easily moved out | 22:55 |
| ewindisch | I counted maybe 3-4 lines that seemed to really depend on libvirt, but it’s possible I’ve misguaged the effort | 22:55 |
| Slower | oh this is just the nova libvirt driver, not libvirt itself? | 22:55 |
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| Slower | gotcha | 22:56 |
| Slower | ok | 22:56 |
| dguryanov | CIFS support should be implemented separately, because qemu accesses it without block device on host. | 22:56 |
| Slower | ewindisch: ya I can help with that | 22:56 |
| ewindisch | Slower: thanks | 22:56 |
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| * Slower is slow sometimes | 22:57 | |
| ewindisch | dguryanov: interesting. | 22:57 |
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| ewindisch | dguryanov: that’s something that is an acceptable caveat, though, “Cinder support - doesn’t support CIFS” - etc | 22:57 |
| ewindisch | I suspect vmware, xen don’t support all of the cinder backends | 22:58 |
| dguryanov | Yes, as I remember they support ISCSI and possibly NFS | 22:58 |
| ewindisch | next topic - cloud-init? | 22:58 |
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| ewindisch | that might be outside the scope for this team? I suppose it’s a per-image issue. | 22:59 |
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| ewindisch | it might be a matter of creating a document saying how to use it with containers — or not | 22:59 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, cloud-init | 22:59 |
| harlowja | did i hear cloud-init | 22:59 |
| ewindisch | since it isn’t something I think we can address in the drivers themselves | 22:59 |
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| Slower | so the issue is it's only in some containers? | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | time to wrap | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone. I liked getting more technical this week, we will keep this up. | 23:00 |
| Slower | cool thx guys | 23:00 |
| ewindisch | thanks adrian_otto. | 23:00 |
| ctracey | thanks all | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | next meeting is Tue 6/10 at 1600 UTC | 23:00 |
| ewindisch | *and everyone else | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 3 23:00:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-03-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-03-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-03-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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