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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | who’s around for the oslo meeting? | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 13 16:00:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | hi, bknudson | 16:00 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | hi, GheRivero | 16:01 |
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| viktors | o/ | 16:01 |
| wendar | o/ | 16:01 |
| malor | o/ | 16:01 |
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| markmc | hey | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | bnemec, dims_ , flaper87 : around? | 16:02 |
| dstanek | hi | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | jd__, haypo? | 16:02 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 16:02 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | I think we have quorum :-) | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic review action items from previous meeting | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| dhellmann | beekneemech send email to openstack-dev with oslo spec approval policy | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | that's done | 16:03 |
| morganfainberg | o/ | 16:03 |
| bnemec | Yep | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech update the graduation checklist to include a step to remove use of oslo logging in favor of stdlib logging | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | I think I remember talking about that, too | 16:03 |
| bnemec | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037068.html | 16:03 |
| bnemec | Also done | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | cool | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | #info graduate-oslo-db and graduate-oslo-i18n specs were approved | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | I approved those 2 specs since the last meeting, as we agreed | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann send email to the dev list asking for liaisons to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95281 | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | I have not done that one | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | could I get a volunteer to take that over? | 16:04 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Yeah, I can do that. | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | #undo | 16:05 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x1f2ef90> | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | #action bnemec send email to the dev list asking for liaisons to review | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | thanks, bnemec | 16:06 |
| bnemec | np | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | I think that's it for old business | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags from liaisons | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:06 | |
| dhellmann | does anyone have any concerns to raise this week? | 16:06 |
| bknudson | none for keystone that I can think of | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | GheRivero, how are things in ironic? | 16:07 |
| bknudson | ran into a question about sqlite_db and posted an update to oslo.db for it | 16:07 |
| bknudson | and also slave_connection -- keystone doesn't use it so it's confusing if it's in our config file | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: good, was there a bug associated or just a patch? | 16:07 |
| bknudson | dhellman: I also opened a bug | 16:07 |
| GheRivero | dhellmann: still looking with the db migrations, but so far so good | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: ok, thanks | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | GheRivero: good | 16:08 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: on the slave_connection, I think we're going to find cases like that from time to time. We might need to make some adjustments to the config generator to let us filter unused options | 16:08 |
| viktors | folks from Nova found a bug, related to common test_base module | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | or we could update keystone to use the feature :-) | 16:09 |
| bknudson | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1329086 | 16:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1329086 in oslo "sqlite_db option is unused" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:09 |
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| malor | viktors: actually, base opportunistic db test case ;) (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1328997) | 16:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328997 in nova "Unit test failure: openstack_citest" is being accessed by other users\nDETAIL: There are 1 other session(s) using the database." [Critical,In progress] | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | viktors: do you have a link? | 16:10 |
| malor | ^ | 16:10 |
| viktors | in #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1328997 | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | ah, same one, ok | 16:10 |
| viktors | We with malor made fixes for this bug in oslo.db, oslo-incubator, and nova. | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | viktors: is this one related to the intermittent gate failures in any way? | 16:11 |
| dstanek | i'd love to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99753/ rolling as there may be a Keystone change that depends on it | 16:11 |
| malor | no that it's our bug... but it's easier to improve base opportunistic test case a bit than fix nova | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | dstanek: thanks for that fix; subtle | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | malor: ok | 16:11 |
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| malor | dhellman: 18 fails in 14 days | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | we should put those reviews on our priority list for this week, team | 16:12 |
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| malor | dhellmann: so it's kind of an unpleasant race condition in unit tests :( | 16:12 |
| * bnemec already got one of them. :-) | 16:12 | |
| dhellmann | this is good feedback, and exactly what I was hoping to have in this section of the meetings :-) | 16:12 |
| * flaper87 too | 16:12 | |
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| dhellmann | go, team! :-) | 16:13 |
| viktors | links for oslo-incubator - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99592/ oslo.db - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99608/ nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99614/ | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | viktors: great, thanks | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | we're on a roll, anything else? | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on then | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | #topic adoption status | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | I’ve started an etherpad, instead of pasting the details into the meeting logs every week | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | as we add libraries, we can include them on that etherpad | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | a few items of note | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | we are now using oslotest in oslo-incubator | 16:14 |
| bnemec | \o/ | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | indeed | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | I think that means we can stop tracking its adoption | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | there are chains of patches to add oslo.messaging to neutron and heat, with reviews in process | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | I think we're hindered a bit there by unrelated gate issues, but it's early enough that I'm not worried yet | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | there’s a blueprint for trove, but I don’t see any patches yet, which is more worrying | 16:16 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 16:16 |
| flaper87 | I tried to follow up on that, not success yet | 16:17 |
| flaper87 | I asked in the blueprint and right after that, someone took the blueprint | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | :-/ | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | well, I guess that's a start | 16:17 |
| flaper87 | I was giving it a week or 2 before poking people again | 16:17 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks for tracking that for us flaper87 | 16:17 |
| flaper87 | np | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.db graduation status | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | #info we’re ready for our first alpha release! | 16:18 |
| bnemec | \o/ again | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | congratulations viktors, roman, and the rest of the team | 16:18 |
| flaper87 | YAY! | 16:18 |
| malor | yeah, let's just wait for this race fix to be merged first :) | 16:18 |
| viktors | dhellman: thanks! Just after bugfix will be merged, we'll tag a release | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | viktors: excellent | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | I look forward to the announcement email on the openstack-dev list :-) | 16:19 |
| viktors | dhellman there are a few more items in blueprint | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.i18n graduation status | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | #undo | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | viktors: I'm sure this is just the first of many alphas for this cycle | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 16:20 |
| malor | yep :) | 16:21 |
| viktors | :) | 16:21 |
| viktors | we need add oslo.db to requirements and patch to manuals | 16:21 |
| viktors | *link to manuals | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | true | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | this is a nice milestone to celebrate, though | 16:22 |
| viktors | dhellman yes :) | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.i18n graduation status | 16:23 |
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| dhellmann | #info we need some more reviews on the first series of changes before we can release | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | I saw some approvals, and I hope those merge over the weekend as the gate quiets down | 16:23 |
| bnemec | I held off on approving some of those because of the gate stuff. | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92681/5 | 16:23 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I don't mind waiting a bit | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | I think I've replied to the latest comments on all of those patches but I'll check again later today | 16:24 |
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| dhellmann | if you want to +2 and not approve, I'll keep an eye on the gate and approve them when things calm down | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | I won't do that without 2 +2, of course | 16:25 |
| bnemec | Yeah, that's what I've been doing. | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | #topic approving specs | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "approving specs (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:26 | |
| dhellmann | I think we have 3 specs ready for approal this week | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | graduate-oslo-log https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95929/ | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | oslo-cache-using-dogpile https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97155/ | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | fix-import-cycle-log-and-versionutils https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95273/ | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | unless anyone objects, I'll approve those later today | 16:27 |
| bnemec | Dang, I still haven't gotten to the cache one. Will try to look quick today. | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll give you time to do that | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | I added mike bayer, too, but haven't pinged him directly to ask for comments | 16:28 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to review the cache one too | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll hold off on doing anything with that one until monday | 16:28 |
| flaper87 | since I originally worked on the oslo.cache thing and I was waiting for this rfc to show up | 16:28 |
| flaper87 | thanks | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | bnemec, flaper87 : why don't you go -1 with a comment that you'd like a chance to look at it, so I don't forget :-) | 16:28 |
| bnemec | To be clear, I don't expect to have any objections. | 16:28 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: sounds good | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | that's ok | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: what was the final decision on merging the text and utils libraries? | 16:29 |
| morganfainberg | don't hesistate to bug me about the cache one if you have questions | 16:29 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: that we would do it | 16:30 |
| flaper87 | I'll help dsim to write the utils rfc | 16:30 |
| flaper87 | and add the text part | 16:30 |
| flaper87 | we need to figure out how we want to split strutils, though. | 16:30 |
| flaper87 | I abandoned the oslo.text spec | 16:30 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87: ok, if you want to take over the existing utils spec and update it that would be fine with me -- you can keep me on as a contributor :-) | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | I think there were 3 categories of functions in that file, let me look again | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: ok, I'll do that. Do you have the review handy ? | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/98431 | 16:31 |
| flaper87 | thanks | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | the funcs for converting strings to ints and bools is one type | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | the encode/decode functions are another | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | str_to_bytes can go in the first group | 16:32 |
| flaper87 | yeah, I agree | 16:32 |
| flaper87 | we can have an oslo.utils.encoding ? | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | and to_slug is sort of off on its own | 16:33 |
| flaper87 | for the encod things | 16:33 |
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| flaper87 | I'll put some thoughts there | 16:33 |
| flaper87 | we can iterate on the spec | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | yeah, maybe pull the encoding stuff out and leave the rest in strutils? or maybe just leave it all in one file, it's not that long | 16:33 |
| * salv-orlando apologizes for delay | 16:33 | |
| dhellmann | sort of a grab-bag | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks flaper87 | 16:33 |
| flaper87 | np :) | 16:33 |
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| dhellmann | I see there's a new taskflow spec from harlowja_away, too | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: did you figure out what the comment about neutron meant in the concurrency notes? | 16:34 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: Not yet :-( | 16:35 |
| bnemec | This week has been...complicated. | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if their version of that module has drifted from the incubated version | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | ok, no rush on that one I think -- we can always address it as a follow up if we have to | 16:35 |
| salv-orlando | I’m trying to catch up on eavesdrop, but which module are you taling about? | 16:36 |
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| dhellmann | salv-orlando: in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97296/3/specs/juno/graduate-oslo-concurrency.rst there's a note about "some changes from the rootwrap calling code in neutron need to be added to the lib" | 16:36 |
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| dhellmann | we made that note at the summit, but none of us remembers the context (and I probably just typed what was said at the time) | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | iirc, bnemec copied the comment directly from the etherpad into the spec, so that's literally all of the detail we have to work from :-/ | 16:38 |
| bnemec | yep | 16:38 |
| salv-orlando | idk if these note refers to the fact that neutron was thinking about having a rootwrap daemon or something like that? idk anyway - I wasn’t at the summit | 16:38 |
| * salv-orlando is going to use that excuse for the next 5 months | 16:39 | |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | that's possible, although there's a separate spec to create a daemon mode for rootwrap | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | maybe the thing to do is move ahead and split that issue out into a separate task | 16:39 |
| salv-orlando | ok | 16:40 |
| bnemec | Maybe just leave a note under Alternatives. | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, something like that would work | 16:40 |
| bnemec | Okay, will get that updated. | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think that's it on specs | 16:41 |
| * salv-orlando will look at neutron’s usage of rootwrap and will comment if he finds the differences | 16:41 | |
| dhellmann | excellent, thank you both | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | #topic review priorities for this week | 16:41 |
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| dhellmann | #info items mentioned during the red flag section earlier | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.i18n | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | does anyone have anything they want added to that list? | 16:41 |
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| bnemec | There were the oslo.db patches. | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | good point, yes | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.db | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | I won't repeat the list from above, but those bugs should be our priorities | 16:43 |
| i159_ | \q | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:44 |
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| dhellmann | we have a few minute left, if anyone has questions or suggestions to bring up? | 16:44 |
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| dstanek | i have a quick question before i tumble down the wrong path | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | sure | 16:45 |
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| dstanek | i saw the spec for the config file validator...is it worth it to work on a spec/impl to allow services to do some level of config file validation at runtime? | 16:46 |
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| dstanek | i know it's not completely possible to do it a startup time because of the dynamic nature extensions, but right now there are no tools to do it either | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | dstanek: I like that a little better than the stand-alone idea anyway, and there's someone else who has a blueprint (but not spec) about it | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | dstanek: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/service-validation | 16:48 |
| dstanek | the bp seems to be about custom validators - right now i was just going to piggyback off of the current types | 16:48 |
| dstanek | i only skimmed it yesterday, so i may have missed something | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | dstanek: I like the blueprint above, which allows application and library level validation that isn't tied directly to individual options, since it would let you look at options in combination to say "you can't ask for 5 foos and only give me 2 bars" or whatever | 16:49 |
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| dhellmann | the spec in https://review.openstack.org/93149 doesn't go that far | 16:49 |
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| dstanek | dhellmann: i'll read it in more detail then - i was simply thinking something like http://dpaste.com/310QG7J | 16:50 |
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| dstanek | i'll take a look at how my ideas match up with the spec and blueprint; then either submit my own spec or contribe to the existing | 16:51 |
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| dhellmann | dstanek: that sounds good -- I definitely think we can be doing more in this area, so I'm glad to see so much interest in it | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | is there anything else, or shall we continue our trend of releasing early (and often)? | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | going once | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | going twice | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks again for your hard work this week, everyone! | 16:53 |
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| malor | thanks everyone! have a nice week end! | 16:54 |
| bnemec | +1 | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 13 16:54:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-13-16.00.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-13-16.00.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-13-16.00.log.html | 16:54 |
| salv-orlando | adieu | 16:54 |
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