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| irenab | hi | 13:01 |
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| irenab | anyone for PCI passthrough meeting? | 13:01 |
| beagles | o/ | 13:01 |
| heyongli | yeah | 13:02 |
| irenab | baoli sent email he is not joining today, anyone knows/can chair the meeting? | 13:02 |
| heyongli | how about ypu | 13:03 |
| heyongli | you | 13:03 |
| heyongli | i am on phone | 13:04 |
| irenab | heyongli: looking for command to do it :-) | 13:05 |
| heyongli | star meeting with # | 13:05 |
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| irenab | #startmeeting Passthrough | 13:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 17 13:07:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is irenab. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'passthrough' | 13:07 |
| irenab | The spec for SR-IOV networking is merged!!! | 13:07 |
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| heyongli | yeah | 13:08 |
| irenab | yjiang51: good morning! | 13:08 |
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| yjiang51 | irenab: :) | 13:09 |
| heyongli | thats | 13:09 |
| heyongli | good job | 13:09 |
| heyongli | any topic？ | 13:09 |
| irenab | For current spec, seems all work items baoli intends to cover | 13:10 |
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| irenab | I am still on neutron MD implementation items. | 13:10 |
| irenab | I actually wanted to discuss some Intel case related issue | 13:10 |
| sadasu | sure | 13:11 |
| heyongli | ok | 13:11 |
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| yjiang51 | irenab: just saw the spec approved? Cool | 13:11 |
| irenab | My intention is to cover Intel NIC as part of the Embedded switch Mechanism driver, with VIF_TYPE = HW_VEB. | 13:11 |
| irenab | yjiang51: yes, finally :-) | 13:12 |
| irenab | I saw sadasu also includes Intel NIC as part of the VM_FEX MD | 13:13 |
| sadasu | irenab: I saw that comment on my BP | 13:13 |
| irenab | I would like to understand if/where in should be covered | 13:13 |
| heyongli | irenab seems meeting not start so mo log | 13:13 |
| sadasu | I think the Embedded switch Mechanism driver is applicable to any SR-IOV capable NIC, correct? | 13:14 |
| sadasu | so Intel SR-IOV NIC is included as part of it | 13:14 |
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| yjiang51 | irenab: sadasu: what's the VM_FEX MD? | 13:14 |
| irenab | heyongli: I see this : The meeting name has been set to 'passthrough' | 13:14 |
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| heyongli | ok | 13:15 |
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| irenab | maybe meeting name is wrong? | 13:15 |
| sadasu | irenab: the MD I am working on is the UCS manager MD which supports the Cisco VM-FEX capable card and Intel SR-IOV card | 13:16 |
| irenab | sadasu: correct. But if we go for two MD in same deployment, how the PCI info filter will work? | 13:16 |
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| sadasu | yjiang51: this is the MD we are talking about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95236/ | 13:17 |
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| irenab | sadasu: for intel nic, what VIF_TYPE do you plan to push? | 13:17 |
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| sadasu | ireanb: HW_WEB | 13:18 |
| irenab | I just think we should not duplicate the support and identify what is the corrent way to go | 13:18 |
| sadasu | yeah...I thought that is what we are trying to do now :-) | 13:18 |
| irenab | sadasu: we are allignedas always :-) | 13:18 |
| heyongli | yonhong am on phone please cover me keep log | 13:18 |
| irenab | ^aligned | 13:18 |
| sadasu | let us look at the specific use case: there is a set of UCS Servers all managed by one UCS Manager | 13:19 |
| irenab | sadu: so it actually seems to be a duplication .... | 13:19 |
| sadasu | these UCS servers have a mixture of Cisco NICs and Intel NICs | 13:19 |
| sadasu | lets go thro this use case for better understanding of duplication | 13:20 |
| irenab | sadasu: for the case with non UCS Servers and Intel NICs, what should be deployed? | 13:20 |
| sadasu | in my method of implementation, I will need cisco_ucsm MD to take care of both NICs | 13:21 |
| sadasu | the customer sees a complete UCS system + UCS manager so includes only the UCSM MD | 13:21 |
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| sadasu | irenab: your MD | 13:21 |
| yjiang51 | sadasu: will cisco_ucsm be direct or macvtap? I assume it will be direct, right? | 13:22 |
| sadasu | yjiang51: both direct and macvtap | 13:22 |
| yjiang51 | sadasu: ok. | 13:22 |
| irenab | sadasu: seems strange to support it in two MDs.... | 13:22 |
| sadasu | irenab: I am just trying to say that we need both MDs to support Intel | 13:22 |
| irenab | and what if both MDs are deployed? | 13:23 |
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| irenab | sadasu: will it be some other Product ID? | 13:24 |
| sadasu | probability of that use case happening is very low | 13:24 |
| yjiang51 | sadasu: irenab: how to distinguish if a Intel NIC in UCS or in normal case? | 13:24 |
| sadasu | we need to compare that...I can get the product_id of the card supported on each of our systems | 13:24 |
| irenab | sadasu: I think we just need | 13:24 |
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| irenab | to see if there is some limitations or it can be resolved on PCI device filter level | 13:25 |
| irenab | yjiang51: correct | 13:25 |
| sadasu | irenab: agreed...for which we need the 2 product ids | 13:25 |
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| irenab | sadasu: if it is the case, it works OK and there is no conflict | 13:26 |
| sadasu | irenab: that was my understanding too..hence went ahead with the support in my MD... | 13:27 |
| irenab | anyway I will provide config attribute for supported PCI info strings, so it is not hardcoded in any case | 13:27 |
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| irenab | sadasu: no problem, we just may consider do some code reuse, but can figure out at implementation review | 13:27 |
| sadasu | This is specific of the use case where it is completely a UCS system and this MD shud be able to support all NICs supported on UCS | 13:27 |
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| sadasu | otherwise it will be an incomplete implementation | 13:28 |
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| sadasu | for all other cases we will you the generic SR-IOV NIC MD | 13:28 |
| irenab | sadasu: undrstand it, thanks | 13:28 |
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| sadasu | irenab: I agree | 13:28 |
| irenab | Anyone has other topics to discuss? | 13:29 |
| sadasu | irenab: another question | 13:29 |
| irenab | sadsu: sure, go ahead | 13:29 |
| sadasu | can the generic SR-IOV NIC MD work with any or no L2 agent on the compute node in a multinode setup? | 13:30 |
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| irenab | sadasu: I plan the agent to support port_state_up changes case, thats why make the MD agent based solution, it is not required for port binding | 13:31 |
| irenab | sadsu: do you see the case to run it without support for port state changes | 13:32 |
| irenab | ? | 13:32 |
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| irenab | sadasu: do you mean the muti segment networks? | 13:33 |
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| sadasu | irenab: no...not multi-segment.. | 13:33 |
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| irenab | sadsu: what do you mean by multi node? | 13:33 |
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| sadasu | by "support for port state changes" did you mean create_port_* , update_port_* method implementations? | 13:34 |
| irenab | sadasu:update_port for currently only admin_state_up attribute | 13:34 |
| sadasu | controller node runs neutron server and compute nodes run the agent | 13:35 |
| irenab | sadsu: for already bound port to enable/disable traffic | 13:35 |
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| irenab | sadsu: do you have in mind some use case that agent is not required, and MD can be used? | 13:36 |
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| sadasu | irenab: brb.. | 13:36 |
| irenab | sadasu: ? | 13:36 |
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| irenab | I think we should decide what are the next items to define as part of the sub-team, and/or maybe get requirements from NFV sub-tema? | 13:39 |
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| yjiang51 | irenab: I think NVF sub-team has more than SR-IOV. | 13:40 |
| sadasu | sorry...someone was at the door | 13:40 |
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| sadasu | ireanb: so to answer ur question, in the case of MD, admin state changes are not handles by the L2 agent on the compute node | 13:42 |
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| irenab | yjiang5: agree. I just think we need identify next features to push, since current spec is approved | 13:42 |
| sadasu | ireanb: yjiang5: yes we shud align with the NFV subteam as the next steps | 13:42 |
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| irenab | I think it worth to push agenda for next meeting | 13:43 |
| sadasu | so port state changes has to be handled by my MD | 13:43 |
| sadasu | irenab: next NFV meeting? | 13:44 |
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| irenab | sadsu: Are you talking about consuming Embedded Switch MD without agent for your case? | 13:44 |
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| irenab | sadasu: no, I meant PCI meeting | 13:44 |
| sadasu | irenab: I think I am not sure what your question | 13:45 |
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| irenab | I think it may be useful to have agenda that we want to cover, now when basic support spec is approved | 13:45 |
| sadasu | we can keep this topic for next week | 13:46 |
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| irenab | sadsu: you previously asked ig agent is a mandatory for generic SR_IOV MD | 13:46 |
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| sadasu | irenab: yes...I think your answer was that it is needed to handle port state changes | 13:47 |
| irenab | sadasu: yes, but if you have case it maybe usefull without port state chages support, let's consider if/how to make ir | 13:48 |
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| sadasu | ireanb: ok | 13:48 |
| sadasu | irenab: lets add that to next week's agenda... | 13:48 |
| irenab | sadasu: +1 | 13:49 |
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| irenab | hopefully I will lend some code update till next week, so we can go over it as well | 13:49 |
| sadasu | irenab: cool | 13:49 |
| sadasu | should we also add NFV alignment to the agenda also? | 13:50 |
| heyongli | drag me into the revie | 13:50 |
| irenab | heyongli: sure | 13:50 |
| sadasu | irenab: can u take a look at my MD spec again> | 13:50 |
| irenab | sadasu: it maybe good idea for NFV allignment, and yes I'll review it the spec | 13:51 |
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| irenab | any other topic to discuss? | 13:52 |
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| irenab | shall we close the meeting? | 13:52 |
| sadasu | yes...done 87mins early | 13:53 |
| sadasu | 7 mins | 13:54 |
| irenab | cool. Thank you guys | 13:54 |
| irenab | #endmeeting | 13:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 17 13:54:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:54 |
| heyongli | thanks | 13:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/passthrough/2014/passthrough.2014-06-17-13.07.html | 13:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/passthrough/2014/passthrough.2014-06-17-13.07.txt | 13:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/passthrough/2014/passthrough.2014-06-17-13.07.log.html | 13:54 |
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| tjanczuk | hello. Is the Marconi meeting happening today? | 15:03 |
| malini1 | yes!! | 15:04 |
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| sriram | o/ | 15:04 |
| malini1 | who is here for marconi? | 15:04 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:04 |
| vkmc | hi hi hi | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:04 |
| * alcabrera sleeps | 15:04 | |
| tjanczuk | o/ | 15:04 |
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| flaper87 | is kurt around? | 15:04 |
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| flaper87 | otherwise I can start the meeting | 15:04 |
| * flaper87 gets the agenda | 15:04 | |
| sriram | kurt seems to be away | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Marconi | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 17 15:05:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:05 |
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| flaper87 | #topic roll call | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:05 | |
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| cpallares | o/ | 15:05 |
| sriram | o/ | 15:05 |
| malini1 | o/ | 15:05 |
| tjanczuk | o/ | 15:05 |
| alcabrera | \o | 15:05 |
| cpallares | \o/ | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:06 |
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| flaper87 | #topic action items | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:06 | |
| flaper87 | #chair kgriffs | 15:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: flaper87 kgriffs | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: carry on with the chair | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | :) | 15:06 |
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| flaper87 | flaper87 to do the plumbing for specs | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | I haven't started, I was actually planing to do that today | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | #action flaper87 to do the plumbing for spec | 15:07 |
| malini1 | it is flooding all over the place now :( | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | no more action items | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 15:07 |
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| alcabrera | spec-tacular | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | #topic lets be friendly with flwang | 15:08 |
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| sriram | lol | 15:08 |
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| flaper87 | Turns out that our meeting is at 3am flwang TZ | 15:08 |
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| kgriffs | this is our predicament | 15:09 |
| kgriffs | http://goo.gl/X6A3ki | 15:09 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: thanks | 15:09 |
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| * flaper87 is staring at the timetable | 15:10 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:10 |
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| tjanczuk | to make things easier I am in Seattle (GMT-8) | 15:10 |
| malini1 | should we start rotating meeting times? | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | malini1: I was about to say that | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | we do that in glance | 15:10 |
| sriram | seems viable. | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | that could work | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: does glance alternate every other week? | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | Ok, lets try to find another time that works for flwang and announc meeting time rotations on the mailing list | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yes | 15:11 |
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| flaper87 | moving on | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | #topic Juno-2 | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | OK, do you want to take that action? | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno-2 (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:12 | |
| flaper87 | #action flaper87 talk to flwang and find a meeting time that works for him | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | cool, thanks | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | #action kgriffs announc the new meeting times in the mailing-list | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: Juno-2, the floor is yours | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | heh | 15:13 |
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| kgriffs | #link https://launchpad.net/marconi/+milestone/juno-2 | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | I spent some time putting together a list of bps and bugs for j-2 | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | holy molly | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | Flavio is looking through python client bugs and I've still got some server bugs to triage, but this is pretty close | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I think we can move amqp out of Juno | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | what's the status of the benchmarking tool? | 15:14 |
| sriram | its in review. | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | Any chance we can increase the priority there? | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | sriram: ohreally ? | 15:15 |
| sriram | I have a patch out there. | 15:15 |
| tjanczuk | what is the status of AMQP in general? | 15:15 |
| * flaper87 slaps himself | 15:15 | |
| tjanczuk | I saw some notes in the regular channel about dropping the storage driver and investigating AMQP as transport? | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: I believe malini has an agenda item about our review backlog. ;) | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | tjanczuk: as of now, it's a complete no-go | 15:15 |
| tjanczuk | for amqp 1.0 as well? | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | tjanczuk: yes | 15:15 |
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| tjanczuk | Is there a write up of reasons somewhere so that we can compare notes? | 15:16 |
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| flaper87 | tjanczuk: working on that | 15:16 |
| tjanczuk | ok, thanks | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | ok, please, everyone. Go through blueprints and update status | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | same for bugs | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | feel free to triage bugs, that's a task for everyone ;) | 15:17 |
| sriram | sure, ok. | 15:17 |
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| flaper87 | moving on | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | #topic Proposal to define a set of review comment prefixes to better communicate intent | 15:17 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: ? | 15:17 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: knock knock ? | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | ok, lets skip until he's back | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | back | 15:18 |
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| flaper87 | ok | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: go ahead | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | sorry, trying to figure out how to present this | 15:19 |
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| kgriffs | there was swift session all about what is basically their code of conduct and quality standards | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | they said something about reviews being easy to take the wrong way | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | and they said it was good to specifically say something what a nitpick or whatever | 15:20 |
| vkmc | brb | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | so, this is something I'm still playing with, but I thought we might cross-pollinate that idea with what we do for inline code comments | 15:20 |
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| flaper87 | you mean to use things like: (nit:) remove the dot at the end | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | ? | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | yeah, stuff like that | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | oh, that sounds good to me | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | it states the intent of the comment | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | I've been experimenting with it lately in my comments (some of you no doubt noticed) | 15:21 |
| alcabrera | works for me | 15:21 |
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| alcabrera | for reference | 15:21 |
| alcabrera | are the swift CoC and quality docs available? | 15:21 |
| malini1 | guess the idea is to be nice when doing the critiques, rt? | 15:21 |
| alcabrera | link? | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | Lets work on a list of tags on the wiki | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | nit, perf, imo, etc. - I think it will take some time to figure out a good list | 15:21 |
| sriram | nice idea. | 15:21 |
| sriram | it will definitely help. | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | malini1: the idea is to more clearly communicate the intent and context for the comment | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | #action Kurt to write a wiki page with possible review comment tags | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | to minimize misunderstandings | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | #undo | 15:22 |
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| tjanczuk | Here is some prior art: https://www.google.com/search?q=emoticons+cheat+sheet&espv=2&tbm=isch&imgil=Ruan9Cq-NET-6M%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcQpDv1DqbWnszg8HJpTdnA3yKGFTQZTLb_XDUvK3MOANaGoVl4b%253B530%253B713%253By33FowaEZmlvMM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.phonearena.com%25252Fnews%25252FWindows-Phone-emoticon-cheat-sheet-gets-posted_id24438&source=iu& | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | #action kgriffs to write a wiki page with possible review comment tags | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | emoticons... mmm. Interesting idea. | 15:23 |
| tjanczuk | (and I meant it with a ;) | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | OK, I will play around with this and we can see where it leads | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | I prefer the tags | 15:23 |
| cpallares | me too | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | because it allows other reviewers to decide on that | 15:23 |
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| flaper87 | if I see a "(nit) Remove the dot" comment, I may choose to approve the patch anyway | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | because the other reviewer stated it's just a nit | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | if it's tagged with a PERF flag, I definitely won't do that | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | makes sense | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | etc | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | s/flag/tag/ | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | lol | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | o___0 | 15:24 |
| * flaper87 was thinking about red flags | 15:24 | |
| flaper87 | anyway | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: good idea | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: btw, i gotta step out, mind leading the meeting from here? | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | sure | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | you're chair already, sorry about that | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:25 |
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| kgriffs | OK, I'm going to go out of order a little on the agenda to timebox the bigger discussion | 15:26 |
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| kgriffs | #topic Introduce the Marconi c# client | 15:26 |
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| kgriffs | abettadapur: ^^^ | 15:26 |
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| abettadapur | hi | 15:26 |
| abettadapur | so yes | 15:26 |
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| abettadapur | we have a c# marconi client that you can view | 15:26 |
| malini1 | yayy!! | 15:26 |
| sriram | awesome! | 15:26 |
| abettadapur | https://github.com/abettadapur/marconiclient | 15:27 |
| abettadapur | it covers both v1 and v1.1 of the api | 15:27 |
| malini1 | abettadapur: do you know if there is a repo for non-python openstack bindings? | 15:27 |
| abettadapur | balajiiyer and i were talking about this and i dont think there is...? | 15:27 |
| vkmc | neat! | 15:27 |
| abettadapur | his idea was to post a link to it on the wiki somewhere | 15:28 |
| abettadapur | and direct people to use it | 15:28 |
| abettadapur | "we have clients for the following platforms..." | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SDKs#OpenStack_Toolkits | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | err | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SDKs#OpenStack_Toolkits | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | that's the cannonical home, as far as I can tell | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | for other clients/sdks | 15:28 |
| abettadapur | oh there you go | 15:28 |
| malini1 | looks like all of them point to personal repos | 15:29 |
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| abettadapur | right | 15:29 |
| malini1 | So probably thts the way to go, for now | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | FWIW, it is also linked from the marconi home page on the wiki | 15:29 |
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| kgriffs | abettadapur: nice work, thanks for taking this on. It is helpful to have more ways for devs to use Marconi, and also gives us more feedback on API design | 15:30 |
| abettadapur | updated the sdks page | 15:30 |
| abettadapur | kgriffs: of course! :) | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | #topic review queue | 15:31 |
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| kgriffs | malini1: ^^^ | 15:31 |
| malini1 | Our review queue is at the longest it has ever been https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/marconi,n,z | 15:31 |
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| malini1 | It is a good thing because we are getting a lot of new contributors | 15:31 |
| malini1 | On the flip side, I dont think we are doing justice to all the great work | 15:32 |
| malini1 | It is a tirn off for new contributors, if the patches take too long to land | 15:32 |
| malini1 | turn* | 15:32 |
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| malini1 | I personally dread contributing to certain projects because it takes forever to get reviews | 15:33 |
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| malini1 | We need a way to make sure Marconi doesnt go the same route | 15:33 |
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| malini1 | thoughts on how to do this? | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | continue to work to promote marconi champions to core | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | that's going to be critical | 15:34 |
| malini1 | I was also thinking of setting SLA's for each patchset | 15:34 |
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| sriram | what kind of SLA's? | 15:35 |
| malini1 | if a patchset sits idle with no reviews for x days, do something | 15:35 |
| malini1 | shout, scream, glow red whatever | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | ah | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | SLAs confused me. I was thinking review quality and/or code quality | 15:35 |
| malini1 | alcabrera: +1 on ur idea as well | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | thanks for clarifying, malini1! | 15:35 |
| alcabrera | so a TTL of sorts | 15:36 |
| sriram | I see, makes sense. | 15:36 |
| sriram | alcabrera: +1 | 15:36 |
| malini1 | yeah..except we dont garbage collect ;) | 15:36 |
| sriram | hahaha | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | or maybe we do...! ;) | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | :P | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | but yes | 15:36 |
| malini1 | tht wud be scary! | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | that's a lively approach | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | in the sense that things will get serviced more routinely | 15:36 |
| sriram | probabilistic garbage collection :P | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | here's the catch | 15:36 |
| alcabrera | can we automate this? | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | get gerrit/bot-things to ping us when things reach the TTL | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | so we don't have to manually track patches | 15:37 |
| malini1 | we probably need to investigate & review at next meeting? | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | sounds good to me | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | a good question for *-infra | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | gerrit has some sort of API | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | we could write a bot that annoys us or at least creates a report that highlights reviews in red that need attention | 15:38 |
| tjanczuk | sometimes just raising visibility of who is doing reviews helps. you could do a weekly leaderboard. | 15:38 |
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| kgriffs | game mechanics - not a bad idea | 15:38 |
| malini1 | tjanczuk: tht wud mean we are looking at the problem once a week.I think e need a faster turnaround than tht | 15:39 |
| malini1 | &most of us don't like meetings :-P | 15:39 |
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| malini1 | I can investigate options & update next week | 15:39 |
| vkmc | it's something that worths discussing with infra guys | 15:39 |
| tjanczuk | No I meant somethign along the lines of https://github.com/joyent/node/graphs/contributors | 15:40 |
| vkmc | it could help another projects as well | 15:40 |
| kgriffs | one thing to note is that we had some people missing in action for a few weeks after the summit | 15:40 |
| kgriffs | now we are playing catch up | 15:40 |
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| kgriffs | FWIW, there is this: http://stackalytics.com/?release=juno&metric=marks&module=marconi | 15:41 |
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| kgriffs | malini1: were you thinking something more proactive, like a bot that would ping specific people in IRC? | 15:41 |
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| malini1 | kgriffs: tht wud be real cool | 15:41 |
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| malini1 | maybe we shud just clean out the queue now? | 15:42 |
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| malini1 | If this becomes a problem again, lets think abt the bot stuff | 15:42 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:42 |
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| malini1 | the next 2-3 days, let's all focus on reviewing | 15:43 |
| vkmc | maybe a welcome bot that provides a list of patches ordered by lowest ttl? | 15:43 |
| malini1 | vkmc: you mean in the review page? | 15:43 |
| malini1 | maybe all we need is a filter :D | 15:43 |
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| vkmc | malini1, in IRC I thought... otherwise we would have to make it part of Gerrit and I'm not sure if that is possible from our side | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | yep, let's focus on reviewing... | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | and ongoing, everyone should spend part of each day reviewing patches | 15:44 |
| malini1 | vkmc: lets take this offline to #marconi to figure out how.if to automate | 15:45 |
| vkmc | malini1, +1 | 15:45 |
| malini1 | kgriffs: tht's all I have | 15:45 |
| kgriffs | #action malini1 and vkmc to experiment with tools/bots for improving review velocity | 15:45 |
| kgriffs | #topic implementing the project rename - make a plan | 15:46 |
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| kgriffs | malini1: you found this, iirc? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/savanna-renaming | 15:46 |
| malini1 | kgriffs: yes | 15:46 |
| alcabrera | #openstack-marconi -> #openstack-naav -- that'll be fun | 15:46 |
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| malini1 | alcabrera: tht sounds sarcastic :( | 15:47 |
| sriram | whoa look at that dependency tree. | 15:47 |
| alcabrera | malini1: ah, my apologies. I meant it sincerely. :) | 15:47 |
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| vkmc | wow | 15:47 |
| malini1 | I am dreading this | 15:47 |
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| kgriffs | I think there will less work for us than savanna, but by no means a trivial amount | 15:48 |
| vkmc | alcabrera, we should add to the topic 'HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently => #openstack-naav' | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | hehe, vkmc. :) | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | one question I had was what happens to the pending gerrit patches? | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:49 |
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| malini1 | I remember seeing something abt this somewhere...grr | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | btw, there is a blueprint for this that I registered | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/project-rename | 15:50 |
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| malini1 | well..I saw tht as the question in Sahara etherpad :D | 15:51 |
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| vkmc | iirc infra chaps schedule a downtime for renaming | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | I was thinking first step would be to make a list of work items. The order them so that things like renaming the repo is last | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: could be. They probably have to lock gerrit and run some scripts and stuff | 15:51 |
| vkmc | kgriffs, yes... that happened with Quantum => Neutron | 15:52 |
| malini1 | aah..Neutron also went thru renaming? | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | it's good that there's lots of prior art here | 15:52 |
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| malini1 | it's bad tht it is a known problem, & every project goes thru this :( | 15:52 |
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| vkmc | malini1, yeah... in Grizzly :/ that probably was a pain in the neck | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | malini1: would you mind taking a first pass at making the list of work items (adding to the bp)? Someone in #openstack-infra could help us make sure the list is complete from their side | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | there may be a wiki page about this | 15:53 |
| malini1 | sure | 15:54 |
| malini1 | I will start updating the bp | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | #action malini1 to make a list of work items for the rename and ask infra what things we need to include outside of code changes | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | thanks! | 15:55 |
| vkmc | http://ci.openstack.org/gerrit.html#renaming-a-project | 15:55 |
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| kgriffs | #link http://ci.openstack.org/gerrit.html#renaming-a-project | 15:55 |
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| malini1 | thanks vkmc | 15:55 |
| vkmc | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/neutron-renaming | 15:55 |
| vkmc | np malini1 | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-renaming-process | 15:56 |
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| alcabrera | all the links | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | to preserve prior art | 15:56 |
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| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 15:56 |
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| alcabrera | tiny update - code of conduct changes are working their way through the pipeline | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | I was really happy to see my concerns taken seriously | 15:57 |
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| kgriffs | cool | 15:57 |
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| vkmc | :) | 15:57 |
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| sriram | nice | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98205/ | 15:57 |
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| cpallares | alcabrera: :) | 15:58 |
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| malini1 | alcabrera: nice :) | 15:58 |
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| alcabrera | :) | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | L22: "participanting" typo | 15:59 |
| malini1 | kgriffs is really serious on ramping up reviews ;) | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | participanting. <3 | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | if that isn't a real word, it *should* be. :D | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | agreed, kgriffs | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | let's coin it | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | heh | 15:59 |
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| kgriffs | anyway, I don't mean to make light of the topic... this is really important stuff. thanks for working on it! | 16:00 |
| alcabrera | no worries. I'm happy to see it moving. :) | 16:00 |
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| alcabrera | healthy community -> happy people, better for everyone | 16:01 |
| alcabrera | anyway | 16:01 |
| alcabrera | I think we're timed out | 16:01 |
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| alcabrera | over time | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | ok people. let's get those patches merged! | 16:01 |
| alcabrera | yes | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 17 16:01:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-06-17-15.05.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-06-17-15.05.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-06-17-15.05.log.html | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 17 16:01:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-06-17_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| muralia | murali allada | 16:01 |
| stannie | Pierre Padrixe | 16:02 |
| noorul | Noorul Islam | 16:02 |
| datsun180b | Ed "Ed Cranford" Cranford | 16:02 |
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| PaulCzar | o/ | 16:02 |
| aratim | Arati Mahimane | 16:02 |
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| ravips | Ravi | 16:03 |
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| funzo_ | Chris Alfonso | 16:03 |
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| devkulkarni1 | Devdatta Kulkarni | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | how is everyone this fine morning/day? | 16:04 |
| anishk | Anish Karmarkar | 16:04 |
| muralia | doing great | 16:04 |
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| devkulkarni1 | hi anishk.. long time | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | We have new contributors joining the project. Anish and Gil form Oracle will be working with us going forward. | 16:05 |
| * anishk waves to Devdatta | 16:05 | |
| adrian_otto | please extend your welcomes! | 16:05 |
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| devkulkarni1 | cool.. welcome Anish, Gil | 16:06 |
| datsun180b | neat | 16:06 |
| funzo | welcome! | 16:06 |
| stannie | welcome Anish and Gil | 16:06 |
| PaulCzar | welcome oracles! | 16:06 |
| muralia | Welcome | 16:06 |
| noorul | cool | 16:06 |
| paulmo | Welcome! | 16:06 |
| * anishk is excited to be part of Solum | 16:06 | |
| noorul | welcome ! | 16:06 |
| anishk | thanks! | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | anishk, do you want to take a moment to say a few words to the team while you have their attention? | 16:06 |
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| anishk | sure | 16:07 |
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| anishk | Both Gil and I joined OpenStack recently and are thrilled to be part of OpenStack and thrilled to be able to contribute to Solum in any which way we can | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | I know that Ed and I have extended some help to get Gil | 16:08 |
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| anishk | We are very much interested in OpenStack and PaaS and have interest in making things interoperaable and portable | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | up and running with a dev environment | 16:08 |
| anishk | thanks for that | 16:08 |
| datsun180b | i like maintaining my dev env as a clean room | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | so if there is anything we can do to help you take flight, please let us know. This is a very helpful group. | 16:08 |
| datsun180b | i get ruffled if it doesn't "just work" | 16:08 |
| anishk | much appreciated | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | ok… | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:09 |
| * ravips says hi to Anish and Gil | 16:09 | |
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| anishk | I should also mention that both Gil and I also participate in the CAMP TC | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | we made an action item a couple of weeks back that I'd like to check on | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni to work with adrian_otto to document the LP devleopment approach in BP+task+wiki to clearly outline our approach, and how it solves each use case. | 16:09 |
| devkulkarni1 | adrian_otto: I will work with you on this in this week | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | we seem to be stalled on this one? IS that right devkulkarni1? | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we don't ahve anything blocking us now, do we? | 16:10 |
| devkulkarni1 | yes. I have it on my list for this week | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks, I will carry that one forward. | 16:10 |
| devkulkarni1 | not directly. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #action devkulkarni to work with adrian_otto to document the LP devleopment approach in BP+task+wiki to clearly outline our approach, and how it solves each use case. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | (keeping the same typo, just for continuity) ;-) | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Tasks | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | I have not officially announced that we tagged the Juno-1 release | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | that came out last week | 16:11 |
| devkulkarni1 | yeah, saw that message on the irc | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | that was worth having in the announcements section | 16:12 |
| devkulkarni1 | thanks adrian_otto for that | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | we did not have a bunch of huge features in it, so I did not make a big fanfare on that one | 16:12 |
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| devkulkarni1 | btw, | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | the more important release was the one before that which rolled in a whole bunch of bugfix and paid down a lot of tech debt | 16:12 |
| devkulkarni1 | the juno-1 plan that roshanagr had put on the wiki page had lot more things | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: yes, indeed | 16:13 |
| devkulkarni1 | I don't think we have finished all those items | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | I rolled forward all blueprints and tasks, and open bugs into J2: https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/juno-2 | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | we have a whole bunch of reviews that are blocked on Mistral | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | the short story here is that we have showstopper issues with Mistral that have not merged yet | 16:14 |
| noorul | We should bring in someone from Mistral to review them | 16:14 |
| devkulkarni1 | question. do we know if Mistral supports multi-tenancy?? gokrokve — ?? | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | and I'm not comfortable taking a dependency on a third party for of Mistral | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | s/for/fork/ | 16:14 |
| gokrokve | devkulkarni1: It does | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | gokrokve: so my understanding is that all desired code is in review | 16:15 |
| paulmo | gokrokve: Can you point me to that, the v0.1 documentation doesn't show tenant awareness that I saw | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | is there any reason to expect that to be delayed for merge, or is this just going to be a short wait? | 16:15 |
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| devkulkarni1 | adrian_otto: you mean the patches that are up on Mistral repo? | 16:16 |
| devkulkarni1 | can we get pointers to them.. | 16:16 |
| gokrokve | https://github.com/stackforge/mistral/blob/master/mistral/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L79 | 16:16 |
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| gokrokve | Workbook is tagged by project_id, so users from one project do not see workbooks from another project | 16:17 |
| devkulkarni1 | gokrokve: thanks. paulmo | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | yes, so these seem like relatively trivial patches. | 16:17 |
| paulmo | gokrokve: But notice that the name field is the primary key in that workbook schema. So we'll have to do something like hash a tenant and append it to the name right? | 16:17 |
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| devkulkarni1 | seems like project_id is there.. but don't know whether the workbook names are unique across tenants or can same name be used for different tenants | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | sounds like a composite primary key is in order | 16:19 |
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| paulmo | +1 adrian_otto, or something similar | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | so let's park this one and come back to it in open discussion | 16:20 |
| gokrokve | Agree. I dont see that DB queries use project_id as a filter | 16:20 |
| gokrokve | It looks simple to fix, though | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | once we get those changes into Mistral, and arrange for a release to be tagged, we can pick op that dependency through pypi on an N.N.N version value | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | does anyone have any objections to this approach? | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | should we come up with workarounds that are intended to make forward progress without any waiting for this? | 16:22 |
| devkulkarni1 | adrian_otto: sounds fine.. we could, will be great if we have asalkeld in that meeting | 16:22 |
| paulmo | I'm documenting workarounds current | 16:22 |
| paulmo | ly | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: thanks. I love it when you exhibit initiative like that! | 16:22 |
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| paulmo | (probably just a SHA256 hash of the tenant and append that to the Mistral workbook name btw is my current thought) | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: let's plan to regroup with asalkeld later today, if we are expecting him, and just touch base on this one. | 16:23 |
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| devkulkarni1 | adrian_otto: okay. sounds good. | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/juno-2 juno-2 milestone tasks | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | does anyone want to raise a specific task for discussion today? | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | or report noteworthy progress against any | 16:24 |
| datsun180b | sure | 16:24 |
| datsun180b | so i've been having trouble with the client, and fragments of conversation were something to do with yaml support in solum | 16:25 |
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| datsun180b | i guess everyone in that conversation is asleep, aren't they | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | yes, unfortunately. | 16:25 |
| noorul | datsun180b: stannie postedpatch | 16:25 |
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| datsun180b | oh did he? i'll take a look | 16:26 |
| noorul | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100605/1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100606/ | 16:26 |
| stannie | thank you for linking those | 16:26 |
| noorul | waiting for jenkins to give green signal | 16:26 |
| datsun180b | perfect | 16:26 |
| stannie | and there is the one for "list" command that will come soon | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/100605 | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/100606 | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | ok, and that raises a related topic | 16:27 |
| datsun180b | well those should resolve my problems manually testing the unittest changes | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | about functional tests for the CLI | 16:27 |
| stannie | it's an expected behavior, we've to update the CLI with the YAML change in the API | 16:27 |
| stannie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-solumclient/+bug/1309493 | 16:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1309493 in python-solumclient "Feature: Client changes for Plan YAML support and Plan versionning" [Wishlist,Incomplete] | 16:27 |
| stannie | yes | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | How would you feel about adding a func test to both solum and python-solumclient that exercise the CLI? | 16:28 |
| stannie | do you mean a func test in python-solumclient ? | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | stannie, in both | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | because in this case we change solum, and it regressed python-solumclient | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | but because we don't test python-solumclient in gate, that defect got in | 16:29 |
| stannie | yes that could really help | 16:29 |
| noorul | Need to take a look at how tempest is doing i | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | ok, tomblank are you willing to open a task for this one? | 16:29 |
| paulmo | I wonder if the Solum CLI should be lower priority given that the Horizon UI (or Mistral CLI) will be the only way shortly to execute something in Solum, correct? | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | any volunteers for coding this up? | 16:30 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: yes, will do | 16:30 |
| datsun180b | categorically i don't know that solum ought to bear solumclient tests, but it makes sense that the client should assume a solum endpoint | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | tomblank: thanks | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | datsun180b: so what is your recommendation? | 16:31 |
| noorul | We can have the tests in solum client repo | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | I'd argue that python-solumclient is needed in order for most users to interact with Solum | 16:31 |
| datsun180b | that the client bear its own functional tests, and require that to run them you have a solum endpoint specified | 16:31 |
| noorul | and execute them for both solum and client gate | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: yes, that's what I would be happy with | 16:32 |
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| datsun180b | that's all the client is basically, an http client that understands the context of solum and can parse responses and shape requests to communicate with it | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | do we not have an API func test in Solum? Is that the problem? | 16:32 |
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| datsun180b | like paulmo mentioned, other uis can supplant it | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | datsun180b: please help me understand. I'm not following. | 16:33 |
| datsun180b | python-solumclient isn't (or shouldn't) be required to interact with solum | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | it's not. | 16:34 |
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| datsun180b | right, so keeping functional tests for it in solum's codebase is what i take issue with | 16:34 |
| PaulCzar | datsun180b: I think though that we can use solumcli as the reference implementation of a solum client, therefore it makes sense to ensure it always works | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | datsun180b: see noorul's suggestion | 16:34 |
| PaulCzar | s/use/think of/ | 16:34 |
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| datsun180b | keeping the client's functional tests in the client's repo is all i'd suggest. i guess that's violent agreement with noorul | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | I think it's fine to kick off tests that live in the python-solumclient repo, so that we don't get out of sync when we adjust the API | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | ok, good, so we are aligned on this | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks for explaining your concerns datsun180b | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | any other task updates to touch on? | 16:36 |
| aratim | I am having trouble with the devstack gate. Functional tests are failing for my patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96928/. Functional tests are running fine on mine and Ed's local devstack env. Any pointers would be of great help ! | 16:36 |
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| * noorul is looking | 16:37 | |
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| adrian_otto | aratim: did you see this: http://logs.openstack.org/28/96928/8/check/gate-solum-devstack-dsvm/f9b9711/console.html.gz#_2014-06-13_16_47_36_421 | 16:37 |
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| noorul | foreign key constraint violation | 16:38 |
| aratim | yes adrian_otto: I have seen that | 16:38 |
| aratim | But I think the real problem arises here - http://logs.openstack.org/28/96928/8/check/gate-solum-devstack-dsvm/f9b9711/console.html.gz#_2014-06-13_16_47_36_820 | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | what do you make of "Cannot delete or update a parent row: a foreign key constraint fails" | 16:38 |
| paulmo | We might need some cascading deletes sprinkled in the schema | 16:38 |
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| noorul | paulmo: I have not see that in other openstack projects | 16:39 |
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| noorul | I might be wrong | 16:39 |
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| datsun180b | oh these are actually DELETE FROMs and not just UPDATE WHEREs | 16:39 |
| noorul | We had this issue for component | 16:40 |
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| * paulmo nods. I'm not sure if there are unwritten rules around the usage but it is handy if you carefully place them where it makes sense. | 16:40 | |
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| * noorul agrees | 16:40 | |
| paulmo | Otherwise code will have to manually walk the chain and delete dependencies. | 16:40 |
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| aratim | paulmo: the functional tests are doing exactly that | 16:41 |
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| paulmo | They'd have to. :) | 16:41 |
| devkulkarni1 | +1 aratim | 16:41 |
| aratim | adrian_otto: we can discuss this later on #solum, dont want to take up all the time | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | aratim: do you want me to record any action items on this? | 16:42 |
| aratim | sure | 16:42 |
| aratim | that would be great! | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | maybe noorul can offer some advice,and help get you unstuck since we did see this before | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: is it okay if I give aratim an action item to follow up with you on this? | 16:43 |
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| noorul | The first failure is for component_put and I think that is not related to foreign key | 16:43 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: I am okay | 16:43 |
| aratim | yes noorul, the problem is here - http://logs.openstack.org/28/96928/8/check/gate-solum-devstack-dsvm/f9b9711/console.html.gz#_2014-06-13_16_47_36_820 | 16:44 |
| aratim | Assembly is not getting deleted | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | #action aratim to follow up with noorul to plan a solution to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96928/ | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks for that. | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | any other task updates? We have just one more item on the agenda before open discussion. | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | ok, moving on | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint Discussion | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | before our mid-cycle meetup for Icehouse I was conducting a Bluepring review during our team meetings | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | this gave the team a chance to sync up on our important work items | 16:46 |
| noorul | aratim: http://logs.openstack.org/28/96928/8/check/gate-solum-devstack-dsvm/f9b9711/logs/screen-solum-api.txt.gz#_2014-06-13_16_47_22_808 | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | since we switched to tasks using bug tickets, we have done less sync-up, and I wanted to get all your thoughts about if we should make a change | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | and put our key pursuits back into blueprints and ask them to be owned and reported on each week by its owner | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | that approach going give us a better sense of unity in understanding how we are progressing against those goals | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | what do you all think about this? | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | we would not use Blueprints as a task list, but as a status instrument | 16:48 |
| muralia | +1 | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni1 | I like this better | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni1 | i mean the new way | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: ok, why do you feel that way about it? | 16:49 |
| devkulkarni1 | the reason being, many times we did not have details in the blueprints and so it was not really possible to get the overall picture anyways | 16:49 |
| paulmo | It seems like we could collapse some of the tools somehow… we'd have to update blueprints, rst specs and bugs, right? | 16:49 |
| devkulkarni1 | now we are going towards spec repo | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo: we don't necessarily need to update the BPs | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | but I would use them to form the weekly agenda | 16:50 |
| stannie | the bug tasks help to have granularity, before we had a big bps without granular tasks and it was hard to dispatch the work. Can't we use both system ? Bug tickets for granular tasks and blueprint for highlevel task ? | 16:50 |
| devkulkarni1 | to address adrian_otto your question about how to get overall picture and status update.. | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | the other thing I can do is just use the meeting agenda to cover what I think are important topics | 16:50 |
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| tomblank | adrian_otto: +1. i would like to get back to reviewing/giving updates on the blueprints/specs. we could also review the tasks associated with each BP/spec during that discussion. | 16:50 |
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| devkulkarni1 | I like keeping it informal and trusting adrian_otto (and the entire team) to bring important topics for the meeting discussion | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | stannie: yes, that's what I'm thinking | 16:51 |
| stannie | ok great | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so let's try a half-step at first | 16:51 |
| tomblank | stannie: yes, agree... | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | I will call out some agenda points and just ask for updates on them | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | the benefit should be that new and less active contributors can stay in the loop with us, and be able to help out more | 16:52 |
| devkulkarni1 | sounds good. | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | if we drift too far apart in terms of understanding what's happening, it's hard for those less involved contributors to jump in and help | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni1 | adrian_otto: good point. | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so we will re-evaluate in a couple of weeks and see if we should move further in that direction | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | I don't want to force updates if they don't make sense either | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | so if there is something you will be expected to report on, you can update the agenda page, and just put (skip) at the end of one, and I won't raise it for discussion if there is nothing to say about it. | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | are we happy with this? I'm going to note this with a #agreed | 16:54 |
| devkulkarni1 | agreed | 16:54 |
| tomblank | agreed | 16:55 |
| stannie | +1 | 16:55 |
| gokrokve | agreed | 16:55 |
| ravips | agreed | 16:55 |
| datsun180b | yeah | 16:55 |
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| muralia | +1 | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed adrian_otto will identify key pursuits for the project, and have them as standing agenda items in our meeting agendas, requesting updates for higher team visibility. | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | thanks | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | anything I could be doing better for you all? | 16:56 |
| tomblank | any thoughts on mid-cycle meetup? do we have one? when? where? | 16:56 |
| tomblank | i think they have been helpful to the project in the past... | 16:56 |
| devkulkarni1 | after juno-2 probably.. | 16:56 |
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| muralia | that sounds like a good time to meet | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | late July would make sense | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | or perhaps the first week of Aug | 16:57 |
| anish_karmarkar | where? | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | Austin | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | It's Rackspace's turn to host, and we have the most attendees in Austin, so that would help us from a budgeting perspective | 16:58 |
| tomblank | +1 on Austin. | 16:58 |
| muralia | +1 | 16:58 |
| tomblank | :) | 16:58 |
| datsun180b | naturally i have to agree | 16:58 |
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| paulmo | Bring sun tan lotion! | 16:58 |
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| datsun180b | and plaid shirts | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | anish_karmarkar: you don't have to swim | 16:59 |
| * anish_karmarkar first week of aug works lot better for me than last week of july | 16:59 | |
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| adrian_otto | but let us know if that's something that you think we could arrange | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | I will circulate a poll to find the best date | 16:59 |
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| tomblank | with this being holiday season, we should pick dates soon... | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | as long as there are no violent objections to using Austin as the meeting place this time | 16:59 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: +1 thanks... | 16:59 |
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| ravips | BP for supporting private github repos: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/support-private-github-repos , plz review and let me know if you see any issues | 16:59 |
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| devkulkarni1 | we should invite mistral folks | 17:00 |
| muralia | yes | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | ravips: awesome!! | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | thanks | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | ravips: sweet! | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyoen for attending this week | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | keep an eye out for the ML | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 17 17:00:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-06-17-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-06-17-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| * anish_karmarkar bye | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-06-17-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 17 17:02:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:02 |
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| ruhe | murano team, are you here? | 17:02 |
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| slagun | o/ | 17:03 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, affirmitive | 17:03 |
| sjmc7 | hello | 17:03 |
| akuznetsova_ | hi | 17:03 |
| dteselkin | Hi | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:03 |
| btully | hi | 17:03 |
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| serg_melikyan | o/ | 17:03 |
| ruhe | #topic action items review | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | i don't see any action items from the previous meeting | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | maybe we missed to record them? | 17:04 |
| ruhe | ok. let's move to the next and the most important topic for today | 17:04 |
| ruhe | #topic Discuss proposal to impose stricter testing requirements | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/improve-testing | 17:05 |
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| ruhe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-testing | 17:05 |
| ruhe | did everyone get familiar with this ^ document? | 17:05 |
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| btully | sadly, i did not. looking at it now | 17:06 |
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| ativelkov | o/ | 17:06 |
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| ruhe | so, the idea is to block all the feature development and focus and stabilistation, test coverage, CI stability. that'll require several steps | 17:06 |
| ruhe | we can discuss them one by one | 17:07 |
| ruhe | #topic murano-ci | 17:07 |
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| sjmc7 | just to interject - i think new features are ok as long as they're supported by tests | 17:07 |
| ruhe | right | 17:08 |
| gokrokve | sjmc7: +1 | 17:08 |
| btully | sjmc7: +1 | 17:08 |
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| ruhe | first step for murano-ci is to add real deployment tests and make it voting | 17:08 |
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| ativelkov | agree, but it worth investing time to cover the existing features rather then add new ones | 17:08 |
| ruhe | sergey murashov is working on these tests | 17:09 |
| ruhe | dteselkin and IgorYozhikov are responsible for stability of underlying murano-ci infrastructure | 17:10 |
| sjmc7 | what is missing from the CI tests now? | 17:10 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: passing deployment test. deployment of a simple service | 17:11 |
| ruhe | the question is: should we allow any major changes (even big bug-fixes) before murano-ci stuff is done? | 17:11 |
| sjmc7 | ruhe - yes, i think we have to | 17:11 |
| sjmc7 | unless the CI tests will be ready very soon | 17:11 |
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| ruhe | but, with a strong requirement to have sufficient UT coverage. right? | 17:12 |
| sjmc7 | yes | 17:12 |
| sjmc7 | i don't want to stall development | 17:12 |
| katyafervent2 | hi | 17:12 |
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| sjmc7 | i want to improve quality as we move forward | 17:12 |
| ruhe | any objections on this plan? | 17:13 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, still no idea what to do with dashboard | 17:13 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: it deserves another topic | 17:13 |
| tsufiev | ok | 17:13 |
| ruhe | #agreed make murano-ci stable. while we're working on that we'll allow changes, but with a strong requirement to have sufficient UT coverage | 17:14 |
| ruhe | also i wanted to discuss our plan to improve UT coverage of existing code | 17:14 |
| ruhe | #topic murano UT coverage | 17:14 |
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| ruhe | please take a look at line 26 | 17:15 |
| sjmc7 | of? | 17:15 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, i suppose https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-testing | 17:15 |
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| ruhe | of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-testing | 17:15 |
| ruhe | it's 28 now :0 | 17:15 |
| ruhe | Improve UT coverage. We can split components | 17:16 |
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| sjmc7 | ok. i'm happy to take the API section | 17:16 |
| sjmc7 | but in my experience it's much better to add tests for bug fixes/changes than to retroactively write them | 17:16 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: great. please add your name to the corresponding section | 17:16 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: right, be we still need a base to add new tests | 17:17 |
| sjmc7 | yup, agreed | 17:17 |
| katyafervent2 | i can take the client | 17:17 |
| ruhe | you've added base for API tests, but we miss engine,pl and db stuff | 17:17 |
| sjmc7 | yep | 17:17 |
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| ruhe | katyafervent2: great, please add your name to the corresponding section | 17:17 |
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| ruhe | are there any other areas of stackforge/murano we didn't cover yet? | 17:18 |
| sjmc7 | nope | 17:18 |
| ruhe | #topic testing of murano-agent | 17:18 |
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| slagun | dashboard? | 17:18 |
| sjmc7 | dashboard's further down | 17:19 |
| ruhe | apparently we don't have jenkins automation for murano-agent | 17:19 |
| ruhe | i'll take an AI to add a patch to infra to enable py26,27,pep8,etc jobs for the agent | 17:20 |
| ruhe | also, i'd like to propose an idea to build an image with the agent and test it with our deployemnt tests on each patch-set in the agent | 17:20 |
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| ruhe | dteselkin, IgorYozhikov, tnurlygayanov: would it be feasible? | 17:21 |
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| ruhe | that's more of a long-term item for the testing plan | 17:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | I believe yes, for example, we could have predefined simple EP for agent tests | 17:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | EP-execution plan | 17:22 |
| dteselkin | well, it's possible to prepare a base image and install only agent - it looks doable | 17:22 |
| ruhe | ok. i've added you both to this action item | 17:23 |
| dteselkin | ok | 17:23 |
| ruhe | anythin else on murano-agent? | 17:23 |
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| ativelkov | when do we expect to have cloud-init installable agent? | 17:23 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: not in j2 definitely | 17:24 |
| sjmc7 | i've done it, but only from a build i put in swift | 17:24 |
| ativelkov | what about j in general? | 17:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | at 1st we should decide which distros we will support or any another way for install | 17:25 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: first step is to figure out how this should be done | 17:25 |
| ruhe | i mean, we need to have a good blueprint for this | 17:26 |
| sjmc7 | this seems like a longer-term goal then | 17:26 |
| ativelkov | Yep | 17:26 |
| ativelkov | I just want to make sure that we will not have to rewite the UTs when we make the agent installable | 17:26 |
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| ruhe | ativelkov: i don't think we'll need to rewrite a lot of things. cloud-installable agent is a different feature, it deserves it's own set of tests | 17:27 |
| ativelkov | ok | 17:28 |
| ruhe | #topic python-muranoclient testing | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | katyafervent2 already signed up to setup a base for UT for the client | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | also, sergey murashov is writing the deployment tests using the client, which will give us a good coverage of the client too | 17:30 |
| ruhe | basically, we will have the same job to test changes in murano and in client | 17:30 |
| katyafervent2 | i have a review has first tests in the client | 17:30 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: which means that your patch has a good chance to pass the review :) | 17:31 |
| akuznetsova_ | I prepared a suite of functional tests for python-muranoclient | 17:31 |
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| katyafervent2 | I guess I'll take unit testing and it shiuld be different, right | 17:32 |
| akuznetsova_ | yes | 17:32 |
| ruhe | akuznetsova_: those tests might not be needed if we find a way to run deployment tests on changes in python-muranoclient. let's discuss that in more details later with sergey murashov and tnurlygayanov | 17:33 |
| katyafervent2 | ok lets move on | 17:33 |
| ruhe | #topic murano-dashboard | 17:33 |
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| akuznetsova_ | ruhe: what about python-muranoclient + dashboard ? | 17:33 |
| sjmc7 | i'm not sure how much coverage we can reasonable do with unit tests for the dashboard | 17:34 |
| sjmc7 | there are some things that can realistically be unit tested | 17:34 |
| ruhe | akuznetsova_: good question. maybe we can run selenium tests against changes in python-muranoclient | 17:34 |
| sjmc7 | yeah - i think those tests will be much more useful | 17:35 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, perhaps there had to be an AI for me to investigate how unit testing is done in Django | 17:35 |
| sjmc7 | we should see what we can add. even horizon seems to have pretty poor test coverage | 17:35 |
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| tsufiev | i guess, Django developers should have invented some approach to unit tests | 17:36 |
| sjmc7 | tsufiev - drupalmonkey has been looking at this a little bit, you could discuss with him | 17:36 |
| sjmc7 | yes, django has a good test framework | 17:36 |
| ruhe | the question i had for everyone, especially to people who work on the dashboard - what should we do with the dashboard/selenium tests? that's reflected in the etherpad | 17:37 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, is he here? | 17:37 |
| sjmc7 | yes tsufiev. i can be part of that conversaton too | 17:37 |
| sjmc7 | ruhe - i'd like ot make those reliable and voting | 17:37 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, selenium tests do their job now | 17:37 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, +1 | 17:38 |
| akuznetsova_ | ruhe: i think we should leave them, but i will try to make easier as possible | 17:38 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, then perhaps we could start with writing some tests using that Django testing framework? | 17:39 |
| sjmc7 | yup | 17:39 |
| sjmc7 | but again, i don't know how useful it will be because horizon's such a thin layer on top of the service APIs | 17:39 |
| ruhe | so, we keep the tests, we make this job voting (or at least treat it as voting). person sending a patch to the dashboard is responsible to make the tests pass. is that correct? | 17:39 |
| sjmc7 | yes ruhe, that makes sense to me | 17:39 |
| sjmc7 | i think 'treat as voting' is sensible | 17:40 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, what's true for horizon, not entirely true for muranodashboard | 17:40 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7, i mean, in some places it's thicker than horizon | 17:40 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: btully: did you have a chance to run/debug selenium tests locally? | 17:40 |
| ruhe | do we need to have some dev docs to explain how to run these tests? | 17:41 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, no, never asked myself that question :) | 17:41 |
| btully | i did not, no. if there's documentation i'd be happy to start doing that | 17:41 |
| tsufiev | but definitely such docs would be very helpful | 17:41 |
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| akuznetsova_ | we have one https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/TestsDocumentation but it is outdated | 17:41 |
| sjmc7 | it's not trivial running those tests locally | 17:42 |
| akuznetsova_ | I will update it | 17:42 |
| ruhe | #action akuznetsova_ create a document explaining how to run, debug and fix selenium tests | 17:42 |
| ruhe | perhaps the best place to place these docs would be developer documentation we keep under project 'murano' and publish to murano.readthedocs.org | 17:42 |
| akuznetsova_ | ok | 17:43 |
| ruhe | #agreed we keep selenium tests, make them voting eventually. person sending a patch to the dashboard is responsible to make the tests pass | 17:43 |
| ruhe | now to the general testing approach | 17:43 |
| ruhe | #topic general testing policy | 17:44 |
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| ruhe | that' t the top part of the document | 17:44 |
| btully | i've used selenium in the past along with phpunit for automated testing. once i get up to speed on how murano is using it (along with the python syntax) i'd be happy to help with that side of things | 17:44 |
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| ruhe | we've said several times that a patch should have sufficient test coverage, but different people might understand this differently | 17:45 |
| ruhe | sjmc7 put these requirements on paper | 17:45 |
| ruhe | that's line #8 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-testing | 17:45 |
| ruhe | Tests verifying correct behavior | 17:46 |
| ruhe | Tests verifying exceptional behavior | 17:46 |
| ruhe | Sufficient assertions to ensure that tests are accurately assessing functionality | 17:46 |
| ruhe | any additions or comments? | 17:46 |
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| ruhe | ok | 17:47 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, tests veryfying correct behaviour should be mandatory | 17:47 |
| tsufiev | but there are 1000+ ways of making an error | 17:48 |
| sjmc7 | so test the ones you can think of, and when one you didn't pops up in production, test it and then fix it | 17:48 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: that's a good motto | 17:49 |
| ruhe | any other ideas/suggestion for this big topic? | 17:50 |
| ruhe | #topic Other plans for juno-2 | 17:50 |
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| ruhe | any other plans, blueprints, ideas for juno-2? | 17:50 |
| ruhe | #link https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/juno-2 | 17:51 |
| sjmc7 | we may have some for next week, not right now | 17:51 |
| btully | from a UI perspective, on the environments page when there are multiple envs | 17:51 |
| btully | there are checboxes added to each row | 17:52 |
| btully | but you can't act on multiple envs at the same time | 17:52 |
| btully | so checkboxes should be removed | 17:52 |
| btully | (not sure if that's been captured previously) | 17:52 |
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| ativelkov | I would prefer to return a way of deleting multiple envs | 17:53 |
| tsufiev | btully, sometimes they help to delete multiple environments at once | 17:53 |
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| akuznetsova_ | btully: it was, we had multiple deletion | 17:53 |
| ativelkov | tsufiev: it does now work now. We had it before and need to return | 17:53 |
| btully | right but you can't delete multiple | 17:53 |
| btully | ahh ok | 17:53 |
| tsufiev | ativelkov, there was a discussion with stanlagun about that | 17:53 |
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| btully | so either add back ability to delete multiple or remove checkmarks :) | 17:54 |
| tsufiev | he said that should not be available, because environment removal can be very complex operation, thus possibly making impossible to toss them into batch | 17:54 |
| slagun | I was against | 17:54 |
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| ativelkov | This needs a separate discussion | 17:55 |
| tsufiev | we should make a separate etherpad for that :) | 17:55 |
| slagun | It is very expensive operations in terms on how many things you can accidentally loose. Especially data on database servers etc | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | slagun: well, heat is able to delete stacks in a batch | 17:56 |
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| ruhe | so, who's going to create an etherpad? where should we discuss next step? irc, ML? | 17:56 |
| slagun | heat is a low level tool. We are building user-friendly tool | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | Environments are suppoaed to be isolated | 17:57 |
| tsufiev | slagun, that makes sense if you're going to ask a lot of questions during environment removal | 17:57 |
| tsufiev | is it really the case? | 17:57 |
| ativelkov | so, I don't see any problems if we delete more then one at once | 17:57 |
| sjmc7 | separate discussion! :) | 17:57 |
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| ativelkov | agree :) | 17:58 |
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| tsufiev | +1 | 17:58 |
| ativelkov | we are almost out of time anyway | 17:59 |
| ruhe | btully: please bring this topic to discussion in an etherpad or ML thread | 17:59 |
| ruhe | let's end this meeting before we run out of time. thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | thanks! | 17:59 |
| ruhe | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 17 17:59:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-06-17-17.02.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-06-17-17.02.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-06-17-17.02.log.html | 17:59 |
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| kevinbenton | hello all | 18:00 |
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| kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 17 18:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 18:00 |
| kevinbenton | Anyone else here for the QoS meeting? | 18:00 |
| kevinbenton | the agenda was light today. #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronQoS | 18:00 |
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| kevinbenton | well in case anyone is there the only status update is that the spec is still under review | 18:04 |
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| kevinbenton | I will end the meeting then if nobody is here | 18:06 |
| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 18:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 17 18:06:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2014/neutron_qos.2014-06-17-18.00.html | 18:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2014/neutron_qos.2014-06-17-18.00.txt | 18:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2014/neutron_qos.2014-06-17-18.00.log.html | 18:07 |
| s3wong | wow, short meeting! | 18:07 |
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| s3wong | didn't even get a chance to attend :-) | 18:07 |
| kevinbenton | #undo | 18:07 |
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| kevinbenton | s3wong: too late | 18:07 |
| s3wong | kevinbenton: that's fine | 18:07 |
| kevinbenton | it looked like nobody was here | 18:07 |
| s3wong | kevinbenton: just want to know if there is any update :-) | 18:08 |
| s3wong | apparently not :-) | 18:08 |
| kevinbenton | not much to update anyway, still waiting on the spec | 18:08 |
| kevinbenton | s3wong: yeah | 18:08 |
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| kevinbenton | s3wong: here is the log if you missed the message | 18:08 |
| kevinbenton | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2014/neutron_qos.2014-06-17-18.00.txt | 18:08 |
| s3wong | 6 lines from kevinbenton :-) | 18:09 |
| kevinbenton | s3wong: whoops. http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2014/neutron_qos.2014-06-17-18.00.log.html | 18:09 |
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| kevinbenton | s3wong: it wasn’t a very lively discussion :-) | 18:11 |
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| rbrady | https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-image-elements/blob/master/elements/os-collect-config/install.d/os-collect-config-source-install/10-os-collect-config#L48 | 19:00 |
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| tchaypo | O/ | 19:00 |
| jdob | o/ | 19:01 |
| lifeless | o/ | 19:01 |
| * giulivo wonders what is o/ | 19:01 | |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 17 19:01:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:01 |
| rwsu | hi | 19:01 |
| lsmola | hello | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 19:01 |
| rbrady | o/ | 19:01 |
| giulivo | o/ | 19:01 |
| lifeless | first post | 19:01 |
| bnemec | \o | 19:01 |
| * giulivo just in case | 19:01 | |
| SpamapS | giulivo: it is a head, and an arm raised to wave | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
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| lifeless | bugs | 19:02 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:02 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:02 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:02 |
| lifeless | CI | 19:02 |
| giulivo | \o/ I see that now! | 19:02 |
| lifeless | Tuskar | 19:02 |
| lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:02 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 19:02 |
| dprince | hello | 19:02 |
| lifeless | 'morning' everyone | 19:02 |
| slagle | hi | 19:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:02 |
| devananda | o/ | 19:02 |
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| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:04 | |
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| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:05 |
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| lifeless | wall of red criticals | 19:06 |
| lifeless | is michael kerrin here? | 19:07 |
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| lifeless | slagle: any word on 1287453 ? | 19:07 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: 1290486 ? | 19:07 |
| lifeless | derekh is on leave | 19:07 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: any word on 1315474 ? | 19:07 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: and bug 1316309 ? | 19:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316309 in tripleo "User requested by parameter RabbitUserName is not managed on the RabbitMQ servers." [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316309 | 19:08 |
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| lifeless | adam_g: what about bug 1316475 ? | 19:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316475 in cloud-init "[SRU] CloudSigma DS for causes hangs when serial console present" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316475 | 19:08 |
| lifeless | GheRivero: you have bug 1316985 under your wing ? | 19:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316985 in tripleo "set -eu may spuriously break dkms module" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316985 | 19:08 |
| adam_g | lifeless, 1316475 is fixed elsewhere, marking invalid for tripleo | 19:09 |
| lifeless | GheRivero: also bug 1319979 | 19:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1319979 in tripleo "rabbitmq-server fails to restart in check-tripleo-overcloud-precise" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1319979 | 19:09 |
| lifeless | and the last one is dprince's fix committed. yayayayayyayayyay | 19:10 |
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| bnemec | Looks like the deps for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95151/ have merged, so I'll drop WIP from it. Maybe that will get it moving again. | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: re bug 1315474 .. it looks to be a bit stalled. | 19:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1315474 in tripleo "rabbit.username is not consumed in most elements" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1315474 | 19:10 |
| bnemec | ^Kept failing ci IIRC. | 19:10 |
| GheRivero | lifeless: yes. The dkms is waiting for a couple of reviews | 19:11 |
| lifeless | slicknik has bug 1329068 in dib | 19:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1329068 in trove-integration "The trove guest-image is unable to publish the guest-config via cloud-init" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1329068 | 19:11 |
| slagle | lifeless: i'm going to drop 1287453 down to High, since Heat added a workaround | 19:11 |
| lifeless | ok, lets get #links here for the reviews folk need | 19:11 |
| lifeless | criticals stalled ==bad | 19:11 |
| slagle | there is a patch up for it, so we don't have to rely on the workaround, but it needs an update. | 19:11 |
| GheRivero | lifeless: and the rabbitmq restart dissapeared sometie ago :) Will revise and updated the bug propperly | 19:11 |
| slagle | i can work on that soon'ish | 19:11 |
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| lifeless | slagle: cool | 19:11 |
| dprince | CI today is hung up on a bunch of overcloud jobs failing with this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1292105 | 19:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1292105 in tripleo "CI failed pinging overcloud instance" [Medium,Triaged] | 19:12 |
| dprince | lifeless: should we bump the priority on that ^^ | 19:12 |
| lifeless | adam_g: so we caused a regression in bug 1329068 from the data source patch | 19:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1329068 in trove-integration "The trove guest-image is unable to publish the guest-config via cloud-init" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1329068 | 19:12 |
| lifeless | dprince: do it | 19:12 |
| lifeless | dprince: (raise it, I mean) | 19:12 |
| lifeless | dprince: what does kibana say about frequency ? | 19:13 |
| tchaypo | One moment while I find a browser that works | 19:13 |
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| bnemec | http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/tripleo-jobs.html is a sea of red for the overcloud job. | 19:14 |
| lifeless | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99505/7 for the dib regression | 19:14 |
| lifeless | we shouldn't release a new dib until that lands | 19:14 |
| dprince | lifeless: I'm seeing like 90% + overcloud jobs fail on that. | 19:14 |
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| tchaypo | Ah. I saw emails marking 1290486 as fix released, but the tripleo version has been moved back to triaged. | 19:14 |
| tchaypo | I'll update it to fix-released in line with e other projects | 19:14 |
| dprince | lifeless: I ran check experimental on ben's debug test which should tell us if an Ubuntu overcloud works as well (just in case) | 19:15 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: re bug 1316309 .. needed a rebase.. submitted a new one now | 19:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316309 in tripleo "User requested by parameter RabbitUserName is not managed on the RabbitMQ servers." [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316309 | 19:16 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: #linky link the review please | 19:16 |
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| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/92204 | 19:17 |
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| lifeless | dprince: its a few hours old | 19:17 |
| lifeless | http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJtZXNzYWdlOlwiRGVzdGluYXRpb24gSG9zdCBVbnJlYWNoYWJsZVwiIEFORCBidWlsZF9uYW1lOlwiY2hlY2stdHJpcGxlby1vdmVyY2xvdWQtZjIwXCIiLCJmaWVsZHMiOltdLCJvZmZzZXQiOjAsInRpbWVmcmFtZSI6IjE3MjgwMCIsImdyYXBobW9kZSI6ImNvdW50IiwidGltZSI6eyJ1c2VyX2ludGVydmFsIjowfSwic3RhbXAiOjE0MDMwMzI2MzA3MzR9 | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | it is marked Critical, btw, because it blocks Debian unstable users. Perhaps we should drop it to High? | 19:17 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: we haven't had a group discussion about supporting debian releases at all | 19:18 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: is there a group standing up to help support that (or do we think its in the program interest to do that regardless?) | 19:18 |
| lifeless | dprince: first occurance in 48 hours was at 7am | 19:19 |
| lifeless | dprince: utc I believe. so should be bisectable | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I'd imagine our employer is interested in it working. The team using Debian inside HP ran into the bug when they upgraded to RabbitMQ 3.3 | 19:19 |
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| dprince | lifeless: the previous issue may be masking it somewhat too | 19:20 |
| lifeless | dprince: nope | 19:20 |
| lifeless | dprince: that was fixed closer to 24 hours back | 19:20 |
| lifeless | dprince: there are *no* hits of this before 12 hours back from now, over the last 48 hours | 19:20 |
| lifeless | dprince: checking 7 days now | 19:20 |
| dprince | http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/tripleo-jobs.html | 19:21 |
| dprince | lifeless: well derek's report isn't showing a whole lot of overcloud love since the instance_extra_specs thing broke ^^^ | 19:21 |
| lifeless | dprince: ack | 19:21 |
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| lifeless | we may have missed other settings | 19:21 |
| dprince | lifeless: I do see one job passed however: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99250/9 | 19:22 |
| lifeless | on kibana | 19:22 |
| lifeless | search for message:"Destination Host Unreachable" AND build_name:"check-tripleo-overcloud-f20" | 19:22 |
| lifeless | over 7d timeframe | 19:22 |
| lifeless | may take a couple of attempts | 19:22 |
| dprince | lifeless: maybe not | 19:22 |
| lifeless | its very clearly new | 19:22 |
| lifeless | 12 hours old | 19:22 |
| lifeless | nothing at all for the rest of the week | 19:23 |
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| dprince | lifeless: I'll double check the nova configs again, thing is my local setup works fine | 19:23 |
| dprince | lifeless: as did Ben's | 19:23 |
| dprince | curious to know if other people are having success w/ devtest (overcloud) today!! | 19:23 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I've never been so unhappy to have devtest pass. | 19:24 |
| lifeless | first occurance was on 83883 | 19:24 |
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| lifeless | http://logs.openstack.org/83/83883/18/check-tripleo/check-tripleo-overcloud-f20/e95267e/console.html | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: ok, I dropped both of those to High. | 19:24 |
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| lifeless | SlickNik: ok so can you talk with SpamapS and/or adam_g about the critical dib bug? there is a review which might fix it in dib | 19:24 |
| lifeless | SlickNik: or it might be too-narrow defaults in the new element | 19:24 |
| lifeless | SlickNik: we'd like to get it fixed :) | 19:25 |
| lifeless | I think we need to move on from bugs though | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | I think for precise we may need to default to the exact 0.6 defaults | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | which include NoCloud and ConfigDrive | 19:25 |
| SlickNik | lifeless: That would be good. I'll take it up with SpamapS after the meeting. | 19:25 |
| SlickNik | Thanks! | 19:25 |
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| SpamapS | guessing the logic changed | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | since 0.7 is a _massive_ refactor | 19:25 |
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| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:26 |
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| lifeless | so before I link anything | 19:26 |
| lifeless | I'm sorry, I've been trying to get to the metareview | 19:26 |
| lifeless | but failing | 19:26 |
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| lifeless | 30m time slices at the end of days are not suitable for a multi-hour high context problem | 19:26 |
| giulivo | after the fix for 1330735 was merged, I'm seeing a different error though and only on f20, on ubuntu overcloud is passing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93745/ | 19:26 |
| giulivo | lifeless, can I also bring back the dicussion on a non-critical bug asking for some feedback? bug 1226310 | 19:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1226310 in tripleo "Nova bm operations fail when LIBVIRT_DEFAULT_URI not set" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226310 | 19:27 |
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| lifeless | giulivo: I think we'll run out of time; perhaps in the free for all at the end | 19:28 |
| giulivo | definitely not urgent but not sure how to approach that given that we are probabaly all setting that in the user environment at this point to make that work | 19:28 |
| lifeless | giulivo: I don't set it | 19:28 |
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| lifeless | giulivo: tripleo-ci doesn't set it | 19:28 |
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| lifeless | giulivo: anyhow end of meeting please | 19:28 |
| giulivo | lifeless, ok I checked with debian and it would be needed... I'll make sure to see what ubuntu does and update the bug | 19:29 |
| lifeless | #link http://www.nemebean.com/reviewstats/tripleo-open.html | 19:29 |
| lifeless | #link http://www.nemebean.com/reviewstats/tripleo-30.txt | 19:29 |
| lifeless | #link http://www.nemebean.com/reviewstats/tripleo-90.txt | 19:29 |
| lifeless | oh | 19:29 |
| lifeless | russelb's instance is back | 19:29 |
| bnemec | \o/ | 19:30 |
| * Ng failing so hard, even accounting for a week off and helion release crunch :( | 19:30 | |
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| SpamapS | We need to do a better job at finding almost-ready patches | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89860/ | 19:31 |
| lifeless | gertty may help | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | Been sitting there with my +2, two other +1's, for a week. | 19:31 |
| lifeless | I'm having success adding little dashboard patches to it locally | 19:31 |
| jdob | SpamapS: there's no good way of querying for that sort of thing, is there? | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | jdob: I bet there is. | 19:31 |
| lifeless | ok so | 19:31 |
| lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:32 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 8 days, 16 hours, 40 minutes | 19:32 |
| lifeless | 1st quartile wait time: 1 days, 8 hours, 50 minutes | 19:32 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 5 days, 6 hours, 20 minutes | 19:32 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 13 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes | 19:32 |
| lifeless | we're still sitting on ~2 weeks | 19:32 |
| Ng | jdob: the search language for it is not awful: https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/user-search.html | 19:32 |
| jdob | never looked at it, but will take a look, thanks Ng | 19:32 |
| bnemec | There's a lot waiting on CI passes that is making our stats look worse than they probably are. | 19:32 |
| lifeless | one thing folk can do | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | There's a link to a tripleo reviews dashboard near the bottom of | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team | 19:32 |
| lifeless | is look at http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:32 |
| lifeless | and pick reviews from the Longest waiting reviews (based on oldest rev without -1 or -2): | 19:32 |
| lifeless | section | 19:32 |
| lifeless | since thats the thing that really ages | 19:33 |
| lifeless | its also a convenient todo list | 19:33 |
| bnemec | Can we make the CI job leave a negative vote when it fails? | 19:33 |
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| lifeless | bnemec: I think that infra have refactored things for ironic in a way we could use | 19:33 |
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| lifeless | bnemec: so in principle, yes, if someone can chase that ? | 19:33 |
| tchaypo | That link is generated by gerrit-dash-creator - https://github.com/stackforge/gerrit-dash-creator/blob/master/dashboards/tripleo.dash | 19:33 |
| bnemec | lifeless: I'll see what I can find out. | 19:34 |
| giulivo | tchaypo, +1 I'm using it too and I think it provides a nice view | 19:34 |
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| lifeless | so I'm going to propose tht reviewers start their review pass with the 'Longest waiting reviews (based on oldest rev without -1 or -2): | 19:34 |
| lifeless | ' section of reviewstats. | 19:34 |
| lifeless | what do folk think ? | 19:35 |
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| greghaynes | +1, We could probably even add that to our new review dashboard | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | Yeah that's a good idea. | 19:35 |
| jdob | that makes sense, it's different from my normal workflow | 19:35 |
| tchaypo | it looks like it shouldn't be too hard to add the things SpamapS was talking about, and it already has sections for "no review in last N days" and "no negative feedback" | 19:35 |
| bnemec | That's what I do anyway. | 19:35 |
| lifeless | bnemec: <3 | 19:35 |
| bnemec | :-) | 19:35 |
| lifeless | bnemec: so how come | 19:35 |
| lifeless | 46 days, 0 hours, 13 minutes https://review.openstack.org/91861 (Use configured RabbitMQ user) is unreviewed since june 11 :) | 19:36 |
| bnemec | There's a reason I care about keeping reviewstats working. | 19:36 |
| * lifeless is mean | 19:36 | |
| bnemec | I'm pretty sure that hasn't passed CI in that time. | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | yea, that one is ready to +A when CI is good | 19:36 |
| bnemec | I've rechecked it repeatedly. | 19:36 |
| lifeless | actually, lifeless failed to click on the one he looked at before | 19:36 |
| slagle | yea, that patch has been +15'd | 19:36 |
| slagle | yet shows up as unreviewed? | 19:36 |
| * lifeless is mean and stupid | 19:36 | |
| slagle | it's just waiting to pass CI | 19:36 |
| jdob | is this the meeting section where we plead for people to review our specs? I didnt see an explicit section for it this time | 19:37 |
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| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96448/ | 19:37 |
| lifeless | jdob: I think so, we can add specs to the agenda too I guess | 19:37 |
| jdob | i forgot the resolution, if it was going to be separate or not | 19:37 |
| lifeless | agenda wasn't updated | 19:37 |
| lifeless | so clearly noone cared enough :) | 19:38 |
| jdob | regardless, I'd really appreciate eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94720/ to make sure everyone is happy with tuskar's direction so we can get started | 19:38 |
| tchaypo | jdob: can you #linky that? | 19:38 |
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| lifeless | more generally; as the specs process matures - expect folk to be justifiably unhappy at design-issues-caught-in-code-review | 19:38 |
| tchaypo | or maybe #info the whole thing so it gets into the logs? | 19:38 |
| lifeless | I think we'll find contributors pushing back if we haven't caught it in spec review - double-edged sword | 19:39 |
| jdob | lifeless: ya, that's my concern, I don't want to start down a path that gets major disagreement after it's been in code for a few weeks | 19:39 |
| jdob | and i'm starting to catch crap from my managers that it still hasnt been started | 19:39 |
| lifeless | so please take the time reviewers to review specs; I guess as second priority after super-old-code-reviews | 19:39 |
| jdob | tchaypo: that's just pound link and the link right? | 19:39 |
| lifeless | jdob: aye | 19:39 |
| jdob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94720/ | 19:39 |
| jdob | thanks in advance :) | 19:40 |
| jdob | unless you -1 it, then i'd have rathered you didn't bother looking | 19:40 |
| tchaypo | I'm hoping that using it in the middle of a sentence doesn't matc the regex | 19:40 |
| lifeless | hah | 19:40 |
| lifeless | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:40 |
| jdob | tchaypo: me too, that's why I was careful to type out "pound"... I don't want to be "that guy" :) | 19:40 |
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| lifeless | do we have a 'volunteer' ? | 19:41 |
| jdob | i'm willing to take a stab at it | 19:41 |
| lifeless | #action jdob to wear the release cape | 19:41 |
| bnemec | So I want to note that we need a dib-utils release. | 19:41 |
| bnemec | Otherwise we can't start using it in diskimage-builder. | 19:41 |
| lifeless | bnemec: is it in the releasemgmt wiki page as a thing ? | 19:41 |
| bnemec | I _think_ all the permissions should be okay. | 19:42 |
| slagle | bnemec: can you add that to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/ReleaseManagement ? | 19:42 |
| bnemec | Yeah, will do. | 19:42 |
| * bnemec didn't know about that | 19:42 | |
| lifeless | jdob: since dib had a regression you might want to see if the regression was released or not; if it wasn't, we should fix it before releasing | 19:42 |
| jdob | kk | 19:42 |
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| lifeless | #topic CD Cloud status | 19:42 |
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| lifeless | dprince: can you speak to rh1 while I grab my notes for hp1 ? :) | 19:43 |
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| lifeless | ... or not :) | 19:44 |
| dprince | lifeless: sure, rh1 is fine | 19:44 |
| lifeless | ok so AFAIK therh... damn race conditions | 19:44 |
| lifeless | ok so hp1 is still down | 19:44 |
| lifeless | #info help still needed on hp1.tripleo.org | 19:44 |
| lifeless | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ci-hp1-rebuild | 19:44 |
| lifeless | and #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1325114 <-title is wrong, affects overcloud too | 19:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1325114 in tripleo "can't deploy underclouds with VLAN API endpoints" [High,Triaged] | 19:45 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1325114 <-title is wrong, affects overcloud too | 19:45 |
| lifeless | and | 19:45 |
| lifeless | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100151/ | 19:46 |
| lifeless | basically, we didn't have test coverage of the (primitive) vlan support, and it bitrotted | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | I think the simple 'get a vlan up on an IP' bit is nearly fixed, but we need to glue it in more than that, because we now have non-wildcard binds for services | 19:46 |
| lifeless | so reviewing dan's networking spec is key, as is reviewing the 100151 public service VIP spec, and helping implement both | 19:47 |
| lifeless | We also have hp2.tripleo.org spinning up | 19:47 |
| lifeless | its going to have the same issue | 19:47 |
| lifeless | its a new region, currently 20 recycled machines | 19:47 |
| tchaypo | Could we get a summary of this hash-infoed for the logs? | 19:48 |
| lifeless | decent specs just not new | 19:48 |
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| lifeless | #info please help with restoring vlan and public endpoint support so that we can get hp1.tripleo.orgback online and > double our CI capacity | 19:48 |
| lifeless | which leads to #topic CI | 19:48 |
| lifeless | #topic CI | 19:49 |
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| lifeless | everything is red | 19:49 |
| dprince | lifeless: not everything, just the overcloud | 19:49 |
| lifeless | bnemec: hah. http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:49 |
| lifeless | bnemec: so I'd like to keep your copy running, if you're willing :) | 19:49 |
| lifeless | bnemec: seems simplest | 19:50 |
| lifeless | dprince: yes, but since we need it to pass :) | 19:50 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Yeah, no problem | 19:50 |
| * slagle still doesnt know what "Emails" means in stackalytics | 19:51 | |
| slagle | regardless, i'm glad i'm Emails=0. | 19:51 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1292105 | 19:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1292105 in tripleo "CI failed pinging overcloud instance" [Critical,Triaged] | 19:51 |
| lifeless | #info that bug needs fixing to resume landing patches | 19:51 |
| lifeless | #topic Tuskar | 19:52 |
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| lifeless | anything tuskar specific to address? | 19:52 |
| jdob | for my part, just the review I linked earlier | 19:53 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:53 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:53 |
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| lifeless | Can folk please sign up on the mid cycle etherpad if you're going | 19:53 |
| lifeless | RH are finding a block of rooms at discount rate and they need room count asap | 19:53 |
| lifeless | On support and backwards compat and so on | 19:54 |
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| lifeless | this came up from a review I did | 19:54 |
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| Ng | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-midcycle-meetup if anyone needs the link | 19:54 |
| lifeless | but I realise we really haven't spoken much about it | 19:54 |
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| lifeless | other than the fact we're reserving the right to break things in most of our projects | 19:54 |
| lifeless | I think we may be being too conservative - most of our projects are split out of incubator *to enable us to give guarantees* | 19:55 |
| lifeless | discuss | 19:55 |
| tchaypo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-midcycle-meetup | 19:55 |
| tchaypo | #info please sign up if you're going | 19:55 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Too conservative in incubator or the split out projects? | 19:55 |
| bnemec | I thought this arose from one of the latter. | 19:55 |
| lifeless | split out | 19:55 |
| lifeless | we have a minimum requirement of cross-project backwards compat on *every* change we land, because gerrit. | 19:56 |
| lifeless | We don't have any requirement on upgrades (yet, but we will once thats tested) | 19:56 |
| slagle | personally, i'd like to see the split out projects be able to deploy any supported version of openstack | 19:56 |
| lifeless | and we don't have any requirement on derived-work (and that will be hard to test, even if we wanted that as a desired thing) | 19:56 |
| lifeless | slagle: yes! me too | 19:57 |
| lifeless | slagle: thats always been the intent in my head, at least. | 19:57 |
| lifeless | slagle: and its yet another dimension of compatibility | 19:57 |
| slagle | lifeless: right, we don't always code and review that way though | 19:57 |
| bnemec | Until we're testing that I'm not sure it's a realistic goal. | 19:57 |
| lifeless | bnemec: it could be an aspiration | 19:57 |
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| lifeless | so concretely, I propose to: | 19:57 |
| lifeless | - write up a spec about the various dimensions of backwards compat | 19:57 |
| lifeless | - with strawman positions | 19:58 |
| lifeless | - get everyone to review it over this next week | 19:58 |
| lifeless | - land it ~ 7 days from now. | 19:58 |
| lifeless | What do you all think ? | 19:58 |
| jdob | +1 to spec and timeboxing the spec | 19:58 |
| bnemec | Sure, seems reasonable. | 19:58 |
| jdob | the spec process is still new enough to us that I dont think its getting the attention it ultimately should | 19:58 |
| jdob | so setting a deadline helps that | 19:58 |
| lifeless | #info there will be a spec on backwards compat and tripleo and stuff; we're timeboxing it to ~1 week so be sure to watch out for it | 19:59 |
| lifeless | giulivo: btw this is your time for that bug :) | 19:59 |
| lifeless | 60s | 19:59 |
| jdob | tick tock... | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | slagle: it's not realy how we code and review that matters. It is really how we test that determines if we "support" something. | 19:59 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: testing is a backstop to culture, but it doesn't define the vision | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | I suggest giulivo take that discussion to #tripleo | 20:00 |
| giulivo | lifeless, well I really don't know yet why/if on ubuntu a regular user gets qemu:///system by default as libvirt uri | 20:00 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: there's always going to be resource limits, for instance | 20:00 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: if it isn't happening, the culture is built on sand. :( | 20:00 |
| giulivo | I'm sure that is not the case on debian though as I checked that personally | 20:01 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: what can I say, we're living in anhk-morpork? | 20:01 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: indeed we are. ;) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 17 20:01:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-06-17-19.01.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-06-17-19.01.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-06-17-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | ty all | 20:01 |
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| lifeless | thanks everyone | 20:01 |
| giulivo | lifeless, so this problem affects at least both fedora and debian | 20:01 |
| jdob | o/ | 20:01 |
| slagle | SpamapS: i agree with that ideaology, but already we claim to support more than is tested | 20:01 |
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| lifeless | hell, look at nova | 20:01 |
| lifeless | it supports clouds with more than one hypervisor | 20:01 |
| lifeless | test it? not so much | 20:02 |
| slagle | right | 20:02 |
| slagle | much is released that is not tested | 20:02 |
| lifeless | but there is a clear goal | 20:02 |
| lifeless | and an asiration to test more | 20:02 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 17 22:00:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2014-06-17_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 22:00 |
| erw | o/ | 22:00 |
| Slower | Ian Main o/ | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:00 | |
| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:00 |
| meghal | Meghal Gosalia | 22:00 |
| dguryanov | Dmitry Guryanov | 22:01 |
| erw | Eric Windisch | 22:01 |
| jtaleric | Joe Talerico | 22:01 |
| songole | Subra Ongole | 22:01 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome everyone | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | if you have not yet recorded your attendance, you may chime in at any time | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:03 |
| apmelton | Andrew Melton 0/ | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | would the team members like to make any announcements? | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:03 | |
| adrian_otto | (none) | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Mid-Cycle Meetup for Containers | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | Yahoo! has offered to host a mid-cycle meetup for us in the SF Bay area. | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | I'd like you all to have input on what dates we should plan this for | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | and gather consensus about what number of days is optimal | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | thoughts on this? | 22:05 |
| erw | number of days first, I think. | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | something in early Aug might make sense | 22:05 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, number of days | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | ideas ranging from 1-3 have been offered in prior discussions | 22:06 |
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| Slower | I vote winter.. because I'm from canada | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | having a couple of days together would give us a chance to enter detailed design efforts | 22:07 |
| Slower | that's a joke | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | Slower: ;-) | 22:07 |
| erw | I’m thinking we only need two, but I don’t mind going longer if others feel it necessary | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | who would need to travel a long distance to attend an SF area meetup? I know erw would come from PA. | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | I would come from LA | 22:08 |
| apmelton | I'll be coming from VA if I attend | 22:08 |
| Slower | I can fly out of spokane WA | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so at least a few of us would travel. Is a shorter trip easier to clear with your travel budgets? If so, we should consider that too | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | if we can have a healthier group for a shorter time, I'd prefer that to a smaller group for longer | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so how about dates to avoid? | 22:10 |
| apmelton | first week in AUG for me | 22:10 |
| funzo | sept 12-21 i'll be away | 22:11 |
| Slower | august 16-31 I'm away | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | Jul 11-24 I am on vacation | 22:11 |
| Slower | probably with a few days on each end | 22:11 |
| apmelton | Also Nova meet up is July 28th to 30th I believe | 22:11 |
| marcoemorais | adrian_otto: we should prolly bias towards meeting sooner rather than later, once you get into mid-july lots of ppl leaving for vaca and such | 22:11 |
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| erw | Philadelphia… but if it’s at Yahoo, then I can spend the other days at the office | 22:12 |
| erw | I don’t yet know of any conflicts — other than the Nova meetup | 22:12 |
| marcoemorais | apmelton: where is the nova meetup being held? | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | So if we did July 31 and Aug 1 | 22:13 |
| apmelton | Beaverton, OR (portland) | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | oh, well. | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | who is hosting that one? | 22:13 |
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| apmelton | intel if I remember correctly | 22:13 |
| erw | Intel | 22:13 |
| marcoemorais | https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/openstack-nova-juno-mid-cycle-developer-meetup-tickets-11878128803 | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | what about doing one weekday, and one Saturday | 22:14 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: i don't know yet if I can for sure get the budget, but if I do - the end of july also doesn't work for me | 22:14 |
| funzo | so many vacations, so little time | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | yeah, summer meetups are really tricky | 22:14 |
| Slower | I vote weekdays | 22:14 |
| apmelton | Yea, if I'm flying to/from the West Coast, I prefer weekdays as well | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so how about in the range of Aug 11-15? | 22:15 |
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| apmelton | I can do Aug 11-15 | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | maybe Tue Aug 12, and Wed Aug 13 | 22:15 |
| erw | adrian_otto: weekdays are better for me, but I can be flexible. | 22:15 |
| funzo | that would work for me | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | I have a trip planned for those dates, but I's likely to be cancelled, so that might be ok | 22:16 |
| funzo | I haven't paid any attention to a mid-cycle meetup until just now, so I haven't made any budget requests | 22:16 |
| marcoemorais | I am on vacay week of 8/11 | 22:16 |
| funzo | if I can't make it out, i'd be interested in g+ hangout | 22:17 |
| Slower | I need to be in vermont on aug 16th.. | 22:17 |
| Slower | well if all goes well | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, how about Aug 18-22 | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | The trove Mid-Cycle meetup is Aug 20-22 in Cambridge, MA | 22:18 |
| * erw pulls up the roadmap | 22:18 | |
| Slower | I'm on vac August 16 - 31 | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | but I'm pretty sure that won't be a problem for us | 22:18 |
| erw | we’re already into feature proposal freeze by then | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | 4th of july week is usually impossible | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | but… let's check that week | 22:20 |
| apmelton | I'm on vacation week of july 4th | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | the 4th is on a friday | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | any others? | 22:20 |
| erw | no strong objection, although I’m sure my family will kill me. | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | I would miss my wife's birthday | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | I love you all, but not that much | 22:21 |
| funzo | I'm drunk on that day | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | heh | 22:21 |
| Slower | funzo: well you may as well be in a meeting then.. | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's table this, I'll run a doodle poll on it, and let's find a time when we can at least get some of us together | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | watch the ML for that link | 22:22 |
| Slower | I liked the 14th 15th idea | 22:22 |
| Slower | aug | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | k | 22:23 |
| erw | doodle ++ | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Cinder Support Discussion | 22:23 |
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| erw | also gives us time to sync with SOs | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | se had a good collaboration this week exploring the options in this wiki: | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-block-storage Options for Cinder Support and unprivileged Container-in-Container | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | the idea is to find options that might kill two birds with one stone | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | let's take a moment to scan through that | 22:24 |
| funzo | scanned | 22:25 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, are there any additional options that should be considered in addition to these? | 22:25 |
| erw | adrian_otto: a variant of the API solution... | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | Option 1? | 22:26 |
| erw | where the container uses an OpenStack API to initiate the mount | 22:26 |
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| erw | yes, variant of option #1 | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | is that different from Option 5? | 22:26 |
| erw | it’s the hybrid between #1 and #5 | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | ok, explain further, please | 22:27 |
| erw | it would be a nova extension for mounting filesystems, not a docker one. | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | maybe list that as option 11 | 22:27 |
| erw | yeah, I can add it in. | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | so I'd like to have consensus around ruling some of these out | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | to narrow the list to ones we really like | 22:28 |
| funzo | so should we just move forward with #8 in the short term? - then work on one of the other options...? | 22:28 |
| funzo | i'm concerned that most of these options has quite a runway on them | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | great minds think alike | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | so let's look at #8 for a moment | 22:29 |
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| funzo | essentially providing the block device and that's it, right? | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | #8 will allow you to expose a cinder volume to a container | 22:29 |
| funzo | which we have done in docker and as a POC in nova-docker (need to do a lot of refactoring before it's suitable for upstream) | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | but the container will not be able to mount it unless it is running in privileged mode, which they won't unless that is intentionally hacked by the cloud operator | 22:30 |
| funzo | well... it could range from a little to a lot of refactoring | 22:30 |
| funzo | is anyone against moving forward with that idea? | 22:30 |
| Slower | container mount service? | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | one thing I am uncertain about is if we took this approach (assuming a first step in a sequence of these approaches), will the openstack CI need to be refactored, or not? | 22:31 |
| Slower | just thinking out loud | 22:31 |
| erw | I don’t think that #8 is really an “option” as much as it is, “don’t do this at all" | 22:31 |
| erw | I mean, it’s technically the status quo. | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | erw, I don't think the whole Nova team fathoms that option | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | I think the initial impression is "cinder does not work, period" | 22:31 |
| erw | adrian_otto: tempest might need changes to support it, yes. | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so assuming changes to tempest are needed, are members of this team willing to volunteer to make those changes? | 22:32 |
| funzo | yes | 22:32 |
| erw | yes | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so in that case, it's hard to argue against this as a first step | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | any alternate points of view to consider? | 22:32 |
| funzo | option #8 doesn't really paint us into a corner | 22:33 |
| funzo | we'll still have to decide on the next option | 22:33 |
| erw | agreed - I wouldn’t block merging the code for #8 on filesystem mounting | 22:33 |
| erw | since it’s a dependency for filesystem mounting, really. ;-) | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so any objections to recording this with a #agreed as a first step? | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | then we can explore what comes next | 22:34 |
| erw | #agreed | 22:35 |
| Slower | well #8 is status quo | 22:35 |
| Slower | easy enough | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | well, I want something that would allow a merge of nova-docker back into nova | 22:35 |
| erw | adrian_otto: I don’t think they’d block merging into nova based on partial support. | 22:35 |
| erw | they might block merging based on not having full support | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | and I think at least a wiki that talks about cinder support and Containers with Nova | 22:36 |
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| adrian_otto | and break it down into sections LXC, Docker, etc. | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | right, this would assume an argument about what "full" support means | 22:36 |
| erw | precisely | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | today if I use cinder to make a volume, it does not mount it for me | 22:36 |
| erw | it doesn’t even make filesystems for you | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | right | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | it just gives me raw blocks | 22:37 |
| erw | the contract has nothing to do iwth filesystems or mountability | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | right. | 22:37 |
| erw | but some folks get hung up on implied contracts and “user experience" | 22:37 |
| erw | ;-) | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed our first step for cinder support with Containers shall be addressed by option 8 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-block-storage | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's assume for a moment that we have some sensible documentation, and have moved passed arguments about this | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | which approaches can we rule out as a second step | 22:38 |
| erw | adrian_otto: fwiw, I’ve been waving the banner to gather internal discussion at Docker on the other options, for step #2 | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | erw, awesome, thanks! | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | anything new to share? | 22:39 |
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| adrian_otto | I propose we rule out option 6. | 22:39 |
| erw | not yet. It has a card in the big-bucket-of-things-we-know-about ;-) | 22:39 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: with user namespaces though, isn't allowing mount secure? | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | good question apmelton. | 22:40 |
| funzo | erw: is there also still a card re snapshots and the registry communication with glance? | 22:40 |
| erw | apmelton: there were comments on the mailing list that it isn’t. | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | I don't feel that I know user namespaces well enough to make that judgement | 22:40 |
| erw | and that came from Bottomley, who knows better than most anyone else | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | I see that primarily as a UID mapping facility | 22:41 |
| apmelton | so, I know from a high level how to use it, but at the kernel level (where the attack is going to happen) I'm still fairly new to it | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | I am not aware of containment of the CAP_XXX rights | 22:41 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so any other thoughts about ruling out Option 6? | 22:43 |
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| apmelton | adrian_otto: from my understanding, it doesn't affect CAP_XXX, but if you're able to escalate yourself to root by exploiting mount some how, you will only be root from inside the containers context | 22:43 |
| erw | adrian_otto: so my only positive support for #6 is that it is no worse than nova-baremetal/ironic and you can still run non-privileged containers *inside* of it. | 22:43 |
| erw | adrian_otto: so the security impact, overall, is actually fairly small - from a certain perspective | 22:44 |
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| adrian_otto | I think the fear is that there are if (0 == uid) conditions in the kernel today | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | so being root in the container is still bad | 22:44 |
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| erw | adrian_otto: which, for that matter, we allow being root in the container with nova-docker already. | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | so unless there is a complete threat analysis on that…. maybe we can find one… then we should remain concerned | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | erw: please tell me more about that? | 22:46 |
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| erw | adrian_otto: docker lets you run as root inside the containers. Nova-docker just lets you run containers with Docker. It doesn’t force the user in those containers to be non-root | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 22:47 |
| erw | anyway, there are people that WANT to use nova-docker as a baremetal hypervisor. Defaulting to priviledged containers would match their requirements. It would allow nested containers and mounting filesystems. Those are advantages of disregarding security | 22:47 |
| erw | with, again, the idea that you could just run a docker-in-docker image that drops all priviledges and runs with limited SET_CAP and a constricted set of cgroups | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | so we are one step closer on this | 22:48 |
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| erw | the biggest negative is that people won’t know it’s insecure by default, and it doesn’t match how people typically use Docker. | 22:49 |
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| adrian_otto | erw: fair enough. That's something that could be addressed with documentation, and embedded warnings | 22:49 |
| erw | long term, I think #6 is a bad idea, as we aim to do all these things without being priviledged | 22:50 |
| Slower | #1 is the way to go forward right now imo | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | can we all agree that #6 is not our preferred long term outcome? | 22:50 |
| erw | #agreed | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to record that today as well, if that's how we all feel about it. | 22:51 |
| Slower | #agreed | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | any objections? | 22:51 |
| funzo | nope | 22:51 |
| Slower | nop | 22:51 |
| erw | adrian_otto: I might like to add that we might want to consider adding an admin-only extension to enable it per-container or a flag in the driver… based on user feedback | 22:51 |
| apmelton | until there is a complete analysis of user namespaces, I'll agree | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed Option #6 from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-block-storage is not our preferred outcome. Secure by default is preferred. | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | ok, last item on the agenda before open discussion is Host Agent | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Host Agent Discussion | 22:52 |
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| adrian_otto | f a host agent is added for use by Nova to interact with guest operating systems (including container instances), what technical considerations should we be aware of? | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | +i | 22:52 |
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| adrian_otto | this could be used to help with things like creating/mounting filesystems | 22:53 |
| funzo | i'm afraid I don't have much background on this one | 22:53 |
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| adrian_otto | creation of nested containers | 22:53 |
| erw | guest agents for containers seems very, very wrong. | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: think an in-guest agent like trove has | 22:53 |
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| adrian_otto | erw: that's my default position on this as well | 22:53 |
| funzo | would this be totally different than cloud-init? | 22:54 |
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| adrian_otto | funzo: well, it would be persistent, so it would work past system boot | 22:54 |
| apmelton | by host-agent, is that an agent running at the same level as say the docker daemon, or libvirt? | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | possibly to help with mounting shared filesystems, that sort of thing | 22:54 |
| apmelton | or an agent inside the container the host can talk to? | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: host agent is on the level of libvirt | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | guest agent is within every guest | 22:55 |
| erw | adrian_otto: perhaps it’s a side-issue, but I think it would be neat to replace the metadata service in general with a pub-sub based approach. Apps or agents could subscribe to the updates from the host | 22:55 |
| erw | my default consideration for that would be MQTT, btw | 22:55 |
| apmelton | in nova libvirt world, nova pretty much has to run on the same host as libvirt, I suppose that's not the case for docker? | 22:55 |
| erw | apmelton: not strictly, no. | 22:55 |
| erw | although practically, nova does things on the local host — so the driver does have to run on the host | 22:56 |
| erw | apmelton: what you describe better matches vmware and xen. | 22:56 |
| apmelton | ya | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | with the introduction of libswarmd, Docker does not need to be on the remote | 22:56 |
| Slower | I'm noticing that with volume support, it'd have to be on the same machine | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | the API deamon I mean | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | actually, it is there, but listening locally instead of to the network | 22:57 |
| apmelton | so, I've thought about a host agent for libvirt as well, that way we could just run host-agent+libvirt on a pool of machines and let nova compute manage them | 22:57 |
| Slower | or at least it is likely that is how it will be implemented | 22:57 |
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| apmelton | but, running a host-agent isn't very different from running nova compute | 22:57 |
| erw | adrian_otto: you don’t even need libswarm for that, but the point is that we manipulate namespaces and such in nova-docker at present | 22:58 |
| erw | adrian_otto: but we could move that code into libcontainer and leverage libswarm…. | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | erw: nod. | 22:58 |
| Slower | I don't see the advantage of having the daemon not on the host with nova anyway.. | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | Slower: neither do I | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | time check | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:58 |
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| adrian_otto | we can revisit both of those topics again to continue moving them forward | 22:59 |
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| Slower | snapshot support for nova docker | 22:59 |
| erw | Slower: nova api for multi-API cloud? *shrug* | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | do you all feel that these meetings are moving us in the right direction? | 22:59 |
| funzo | maybe we can add snapshots to next weeks agenda if we run out of time? | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | funzo: yes, we can | 22:59 |
| Slower | snapshot is the next big hurdle after volume support | 22:59 |
| erw | agreed | 22:59 |
| funzo | we definitely need to talk about stuff and agree to it, we have to do it here or out of band | 22:59 |
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| erw | adrian_otto: yes. | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | ok, then we will continue as long as you feel it's helpful | 23:00 |
| * Slower agrees to take on all action items from todays meeting | 23:00 | |
| Slower | ;-) | 23:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Slower: <3 | 23:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone. Catch you next time. | 23:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 17 23:00:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-17-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-17-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| apmelton | o/ | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-17-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
| funzo | thanks guys | 23:01 |
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