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| sgordon_ | \o/ | 14:00 |
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| s3wong | hello | 14:00 |
| smazziotta | hello | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o (left-handed=) | 14:00 |
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| ijw | yo | 14:01 |
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| nijaba | o/ | 14:01 |
| bauzas | the meeting is not yet open | 14:01 |
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| * ijw is having fun with the specs, but they've been need of update and they're nearly updated. | 14:01 | |
| bauzas | russellb: ping ? | 14:02 |
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| s3wong | oh no! no chair to the meeting!!! | 14:03 |
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| russellb | pong! | 14:03 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nfv | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 18 14:03:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nfv' | 14:03 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:03 |
| heyongli | hello | 14:03 |
| russellb | hello! who's around to talk NFV? | 14:03 |
| nijaba | o/ | 14:03 |
| danpb | hi | 14:03 |
| adrian-hoban | Hi | 14:03 |
| s3wong | here | 14:03 |
| yamahata | hi | 14:03 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | o/ | 14:03 |
| radek | Hi there ! | 14:03 |
| pczesno | hi | 14:04 |
| sgordon_ | yo! | 14:04 |
| smazziotta | o/ | 14:04 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Meetings/NFV | 14:04 |
| russellb | agenda on the etherpad: | 14:04 |
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| russellb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:04 |
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| russellb | #topic review action items | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review action items (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:05 | |
| sgordon | so, infra | 14:05 |
| russellb | cdub not here so we'll skip his | 14:05 |
| sgordon | no cdub | 14:05 |
| russellb | bauzas: o/ | 14:05 |
| bauzas | russellb: sure | 14:05 |
| bauzas | russellb: so, I made a proposal | 14:05 |
| russellb | ACTION: bauzas to make gerrit dashboard | 14:05 |
| russellb | for context | 14:05 |
| russellb | bauzas: have a link? | 14:05 |
| bauzas | russellb: the idea is to make use of Gerrit for having a dashboard of all blueprints and patches | 14:05 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/100559 | 14:06 |
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| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037941.html | 14:06 |
| sgordon | im a little concerned about the invasiveness of having to add a tag to every commit | 14:06 |
| russellb | #link https://review.openstack.org/100559 | 14:06 |
| russellb | yeah, i think we should avoid going that route | 14:06 |
| sgordon | mainly an issue for the existing ones of course which will get sent for a loop | 14:06 |
| bauzas | that's based on a new tool gerrit-dash-creator | 14:06 |
| bauzas | sgordon: I do understand the problem | 14:06 |
| bauzas | sgordon: we only need to find a way to discriminate all the NFV patches from the other ones | 14:07 |
| russellb | or patches from people not necessarily in this group | 14:07 |
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| russellb | what if we maintain a list of gerrit topics in dash creator? | 14:07 |
| sgordon | russellb, right | 14:07 |
| bauzas | that's possible, but that will increase the query | 14:07 |
| russellb | yes | 14:07 |
| russellb | will be pretty big ... | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | and will require to shorten the url each time we add a new change | 14:08 |
| russellb | but at least, in theory, you do an update once per blueprint we're tracking | 14:08 |
| russellb | oh right | 14:08 |
| russellb | the short url isn't static ... | 14:08 |
| cgoncalves | hi all | 14:08 |
| bauzas | russellb: right | 14:08 |
| russellb | can link to it from our wiki page, and update that link | 14:08 |
| russellb | i suppose. | 14:08 |
| bauzas | that's possible | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | but that requires to vote on each change | 14:09 |
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| radek | patch subjects should be short by definition and adding some prefix make even less space for text | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | for each new blueprint, we have to issue a new side patch for gerrit-dash-creator | 14:09 |
| sgordon | radek, the tag doesnt go in the subject | 14:09 |
| bauzas | in order to update nfv.dash | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | mmm | 14:09 |
| radek | ahhh ok so it change a lot and makes sense for me too | 14:09 |
| russellb | really wish you could tag reviews in gerrit, without updating patches | 14:10 |
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| russellb | of course, non-existant gerrit features aren't helpful here :) | 14:10 |
| sgordon | radek, if we take the tag approach it is just somewhere in the commit msg - but it still means adding it to every single one | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | russellb: labels are here for that, but that means it would create a new column | 14:10 |
| sgordon | i think that is ok, no? | 14:10 |
| russellb | new column in gerrit? | 14:10 |
| ijw | Problem we're going to have is where a perfectly respectable proposal is *also* an NFV one, so people who submit and approve wouldn't necessarily know to tag them | 14:11 |
| sgordon | ijw, exactly | 14:11 |
| russellb | ijw: yep | 14:11 |
| sgordon | ijw, and also may be annoyed if someone tags it for them | 14:11 |
| russellb | i would be | 14:11 |
| russellb | (annoyed) | 14:11 |
| sgordon | ijw, that's why i dont like that approach, even if the alternatives mean more work on our part | 14:11 |
| ijw | I was certainly surprised mine had been tagged... | 14:11 |
| bauzas | Gerrit now allows that | 14:11 |
| ijw | But it's our problem, so such is life. | 14:11 |
| sgordon | bauzas, allows? | 14:12 |
| russellb | bauzas: can you clarify what gerrit allows? | 14:12 |
| bauzas | ijw: I mean, now anyone can change a commit msg | 14:12 |
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| russellb | that was allowed before | 14:12 |
| russellb | you just push an update to the review | 14:12 |
| sgordon | yeah | 14:12 |
| ijw | Yes - true, but if we don't get to a BP till it's accepted then what? | 14:12 |
| bauzas | right, but not in the interface :) | 14:12 |
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| russellb | bauzas: ah.. | 14:13 |
| ijw | Better if you extracted the specs, bps or whatever from a wiki page and used that list | 14:13 |
| sgordon | ijw, we celebrate that it was accepted and morn the fact that we cant track it automatically | 14:13 |
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| sgordon | ijw, right - i guess the missing bit is how to do that *and* build the status updates in automatically somewhere | 14:13 |
| bauzas | ijw: the alternative is to update https://review.openstack.org/100559 with all the topic names for the blueprints | 14:14 |
| sgordon | i mean we have the list on the wiki today, incl. statuses, but updating them is going to be v. manual | 14:14 |
| russellb | bauzas: that's what i prefer right now i'm afraid | 14:14 |
| russellb | a gerrit dashboard would be super helpful to me as a reviewer, too | 14:14 |
| russellb | so i can go target NFV related spec and code reviews | 14:14 |
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| ijw | bauzas: trying to avoid wasting people's times with relatively pointless reviews - I think we all have better things to do with our lives than that... | 14:14 |
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| russellb | ijw: which pointless reviews? | 14:15 |
| sgordon | russellb, when the patch gets bumped for the tag add | 14:15 |
| russellb | yes | 14:15 |
| alank35 | +1 we sure do have better things to be spending time on, | 14:15 |
| sgordon | russellb, bauzas was saying this doesnt count as a trivial | 14:15 |
| sgordon | yeah, i think that's agreement that the tag approach is a no go | 14:15 |
| russellb | yes | 14:15 |
| russellb | how about trying a list of gerrit topics in the dash creator for now | 14:16 |
| ijw | russellb: I'm presuming bauzas is proposing we commit the review list to his code, which means a review just to add each entry | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | ijw: right, that's the alternative | 14:16 |
| sgordon | ijw, correct | 14:16 |
| russellb | each gerrit topic, which should cover several patches | 14:16 |
| russellb | an update to the dash per blueprint, vs per patch | 14:16 |
| bauzas | ok, I can do that | 14:16 |
| sgordon | well, that's the alternative to get a dash in gerrit which will show up to date status for the given list | 14:16 |
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| russellb | bauzas: willing to do a first cut on that? | 14:16 |
| sgordon | means topic/bp addition remains manual | 14:16 |
| bauzas | that only requires to send a git-review for each update, but that's life | 14:17 |
| russellb | bauzas: *nods* | 14:17 |
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| russellb | i'd just script the first cut at it | 14:17 |
| bauzas | russellb: yey, we can try | 14:17 |
| danpb | sgordon: write a script which just queries the status from gerrit and generates a static HTML page once an hour with status | 14:17 |
| russellb | parse the wiki page table for blueprint URLs, and use topics of "bp/<blueprint>" | 14:17 |
| russellb | danpb: or that. | 14:17 |
| russellb | scrape wiki for blueprints, scrape blueprints for reviews, scrape reviews for status, generate page :) | 14:18 |
| danpb | could be done entirely outside gerrit with no real difficultly as long as there's a list of BPs /somewhere/ to drive it from | 14:18 |
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| sgordon | danpb, that is pretty tempting to me tbh | 14:18 |
| danpb | https://xkcd.com/208/ | 14:18 |
| sgordon | danpb, no problem that cant be solved by adding more bash right? | 14:18 |
| russellb | sgordon: yeah | 14:18 |
| russellb | bauzas: what do you think of that idea? | 14:18 |
| danpb | sgordon: perl please ;-P | 14:19 |
| ijw | Go for it, people. | 14:19 |
| bauzas | russellb: that's sexy | 14:19 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:19 |
| russellb | bauzas: willing to write it? :) | 14:19 |
| ijw | danpb: you luddite. ;) | 14:19 |
| bauzas | russellb: yup | 14:19 |
| russellb | bauzas: awesome! | 14:19 |
| * ijw <- JAPH | 14:19 | |
| russellb | #action bauzas to do a first revision of a script to build an automatic status page from list of blueprints on the wiki (and post it in git somewhere so others can help) | 14:20 |
| sgordon | only downside is you may want to query the launchpad api at some point but we will deal with that monstrosity when you get to it... | 14:20 |
| russellb | yeah... | 14:20 |
| russellb | scrape blueprint whiteboard for list of reviews | 14:20 |
| sgordon | (launchpadlib's support for blueprints is....interesting) | 14:20 |
| russellb | that'll be fun. | 14:20 |
| russellb | and by fun i mean *headdesk* | 14:20 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:20 |
| russellb | next topic :) | 14:20 |
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| sgordon | so i think the next AIs were around use cases | 14:20 |
| russellb | ACTION: nijaba to write up a description of what nfv is on the wiki page | 14:20 |
| sgordon | nijaba, i believe added a desc | 14:21 |
| russellb | wiki page has been updated! | 14:21 |
| nijaba | done: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/NFV#What_is_NFV.3F | 14:21 |
| ijw | Yeah - I missed last weeks' meeting but I think we have an issue with the use cases | 14:21 |
| russellb | sounds good to me, much appreciated | 14:21 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NFV#What_is_NFV.3F | 14:21 |
| nijaba | it's a first version, feel free to update! | 14:21 |
| alank35 | ijw, whats your concern? | 14:21 |
| sgordon | +1 | 14:21 |
| ijw | They're a level removed from what we can make use of, very abstract. Unles syou actually choose some implementation details - as in, use cases *with Openstack involved* we can't do much with them | 14:21 |
| smazziotta | +1 | 14:21 |
| adrian-hoban | I added ETSI-NFV use case descriptions and a first cut of mappings to blueprints | 14:21 |
| sgordon | ijw, right - primarily the ETSI ones right | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | we need to drill into them at the same time | 14:22 |
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| adrian-hoban | A contribution from Calum Loudon has mapped blueprints to a Session Border Controller | 14:22 |
| sgordon | yes | 14:22 |
| sgordon | i added that to the wiki | 14:22 |
| ijw | Case in point, the current ones all map pretty much identically to the BPs, which may be true but is not remotely helpful | 14:22 |
| cloudon | sgordon: thanks for doing that | 14:23 |
| alank35 | adrian, where is that contribution from Calum? | 14:23 |
| ijw | I think we need scenarios in which we're using Openstack in a specific way to implement an ETSI use case, which would then allow us to say 'these BPOs are relevant to that' | 14:23 |
| sgordon | well, i think there is a reality that there is a core subset that are going to apply to most | 14:23 |
| sgordon | alank35, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NFV#Contributed_Use_Cases | 14:23 |
| cloudon | alank35: ML, now on wiki coiurtesy sgordon | 14:23 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NFV#Contributed_Use_Cases | 14:23 |
| ijw | sgordon: true, but e.g. the scheduler is useful to most but essential to none. | 14:23 |
| alank35 | cheers steve | 14:23 |
| sgordon | ijw, agree | 14:24 |
| sgordon | ijw, mainly wondering if i will see many/any that dont want sriov or dpdk for example | 14:24 |
| ijw | Also, and on a separate point, Neutron service chaining is about defining chains between Neutron aaS services and is not what NFV guys would consider to be service chaining, so I think that BP is actually listed when it shouldn't be | 14:24 |
| cloudon | sgordon: I have some control plane examples which don't | 14:24 |
| sgordon | cloudon, would be great to share - i really liked the way you structured the first one | 14:24 |
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| cloudon | Was the Session border controller example the sort of specifics people are looking for? | 14:25 |
| adrian-hoban | ETSI-NFV use cases are very high level and target applications in each could range from low to high end devices. Focusing on a particular application is probably more helpful | 14:25 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, right | 14:25 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, i still think it's useful for mapping the two worlds | 14:25 |
| alank35 | +1 ijw on service chains | 14:25 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, need to put more specific examples into those categories | 14:26 |
| s3wong | ijw: how would NFV guys define service chaining? | 14:26 |
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| alank35 | i think that sbc is perahps implementation specific | 14:26 |
| sgordon | cloudon, i think so - i think we need to come up with a better way to highlight the mapping to bps | 14:26 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, perhaps the way adrian-hoban formatted it into the table for the (admittedly broad) etsi ones for example | 14:27 |
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| sgordon | if we list them all out the way i did initially for the SBC example in the wiki then it's not going to be very easy to refer to | 14:27 |
| ijw | s3wong: for NFV it's more about routing a packet through multiple VMs in a sequence (for some definition of 'routing', there's several options with different technologies that are visible to differing extents to the services) | 14:27 |
| cloudon | sgordon: +1 | 14:28 |
| ijw | sgordon: on the use cases, I'm not saying we can't use the ETSI ones, I'm saying we need concrete examples defined from the ETSI ones. | 14:28 |
| sgordon | ijw, completely agree | 14:28 |
| ijw | A middle layer of mapping, if you like | 14:28 |
| cloudon | ijw, sgordon: I'll contribute concrete example for ETSI #5 | 14:28 |
| ijw | Simple answer is probably if we all have a go at one. | 14:29 |
| sgordon | #action cloudon to provide a concrete example for ETSI # 5 | 14:29 |
| alank35 | in my mind, the main focus and starting point should be on what additional config options do we need to get Openstack to support for NFV | 14:29 |
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| alank35 | from this point you can ensure on boarding and deployment and provisioning of NFV in Openstack | 14:29 |
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| ijw | alank35: well, we have some BPs up, one of which I see Racha took on | 14:30 |
| sgordon | i do think the priority list of 3 | 14:30 |
| ijw | The issue I have is that we're talking about stuff that's a bit down the road and not prioritising or putting our effort into the immediate shortcomings (because while I put three up I don't think they're the only ones) | 14:30 |
| sgordon | covers some of the real burning "we cant work without this" items | 14:30 |
| alank35 | yeh, not sure where that will land | 14:30 |
| sgordon | ijw, right | 14:30 |
| ijw | Well, j.2 is 4 weeks, we can target that and get the short term stuff up | 14:30 |
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| sgordon | ijw, so there is really two factors - how close/realistic things are for juno and how important they are | 14:31 |
| radek | alank35: the scope of NFV is very broad to me and not sure if we can define like a list of options we can/need add | 14:31 |
| sgordon | sriov for example i notice the design got approved yesterday | 14:31 |
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| radek | sgordon: sriov in nova project ? | 14:31 |
| ijw | sgordon: the priority list wants doing for Juno, as far as I'm concerned, and targetting j.3 would be daft because the cores get slaughtered with all the reviews in j.3. | 14:32 |
| sgordon | radek, yes | 14:32 |
| sgordon | ijw, yep | 14:32 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | The platform performance (throughput and latency) impacting blueprints are likely to be needed by many NFV workloads (again depending on the class of device) | 14:32 |
| sgordon | ijw, highly likely in nova for example there will again be a point early in j3 if not where code has to be up or they get pushed out | 14:32 |
| alank35 | ijw would agree, i think we will waste time focusing on usecases that are perhaps not too vital in the end | 14:33 |
| ijw | So - on a practical point, how do we get them done? Can I suggest people promise to review them today and I'll do a round of updates tonight if they're needed. Volunteers also welcome, I'll have a word with our devs but I'm not sure I can promise we'll do all of them | 14:33 |
| ggarcia | adrian_hoban_ +1 | 14:33 |
| radek | SRIOV is kind of base which will be needed in other projects components to and it's close tied to performance | 14:33 |
| alank35 | and most likely given what may end up happening is that we fullfill usecases for a limited number of vendors implementation | 14:33 |
| russellb | sgordon: that date is aug 21 | 14:33 |
| sgordon | ijw, i think review cycles from people who understand how they use these things are crucial | 14:33 |
| russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 14:33 |
| sgordon | ijw, and an area where this group can help | 14:33 |
| ijw | radek: SRIOV is not an essential - again on the implementation cases, you can choose to use it or not. But yes, it's a significant case | 14:34 |
| sgordon | ijw, the worst possible outcome would actually be for some of these to be implemented in a way that they cant be used for NFV | 14:34 |
| sgordon | russellb, thanks | 14:34 |
| alank35 | ijw; sure can help on the review | 14:34 |
| bauzas | is SRIOV requiring some PCI refactoring in Nova? | 14:34 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 14:34 |
| sgordon | bauzas, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86606/ | 14:34 |
| ijw | So: first, review the specs, now up, now updated (and I've been very slow on that). Then, volunteers for coding (Ericsson have one, which is great, the other two are ownerless at the moment). | 14:34 |
| adrian-hoban_ | ijw: I think PCIe passthrough and/or SR-IOV are essential if your performance requirements warrant it | 14:34 |
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| ijw | adrian-hoban_: There's more than one way to skin a cat: DPDK, Contrail, Snabb... | 14:35 |
| ijw | Point being it's significant, granted, but not a blocker. | 14:35 |
| cloudon | ijw: +1 | 14:35 |
| radek | bauzas: not sure if SRIOV is fully supported by libvirtd and nova changes will be required too | 14:36 |
| sgordon | radek, libvirt has supported it for years afaik | 14:36 |
| bauzas | sgordon: thanks | 14:36 |
| sgordon | radek, problem has been exposing it up the nova/neutron stack | 14:36 |
| ijw | Certainly we should push forward on it and I think it's a good idea that we flag any changes in this meeting we should be reviewing but I'm not about to call it core to what we need. | 14:36 |
| ggarcia | ijw, adrian_hoban_ : Well, the alternative is the vSwitch, which consumes extra CPU and memory resources | 14:36 |
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| bauzas | sgordon: my concern is that PCI passthru in Nova requires a little refactoring | 14:36 |
| ijw | s/the/an/ | 14:36 |
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| sgordon | bauzas, the existing impl. or the sriov additions? | 14:37 |
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| bauzas | nah, the exisiting impl | 14:37 |
| radek | sgordon: not sure about this but spoken in Atlanta with one of RH developers and there is a lot of things missing there yet | 14:37 |
| sgordon | bauzas, tbh i can only suggest to get involved in the design/discussion | 14:37 |
| bauzas | sgordon: will do | 14:37 |
| ijw | ggarcia: Or at least, OVS is an alternative. a virtual switch or router of some sort is pretty much the only other option, and yes, you use CPU to implement it, regardless of how efficient it is, but OVS is not the only example of that and there are different and more efficient sorts out there. | 14:37 |
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| sgordon | radek, i suspect you mean at the PCIe lane topology level - which is really additional | 14:37 |
| radek | sgordon: anyway this is very detaild discussion out of today scope | 14:37 |
| sgordon | radek, it has supporting for passing through VFs today | 14:37 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:38 |
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| sgordon | so the action item here appears to be moar reviews in general | 14:38 |
| ijw | So: drifting back on topic. Please, review core BPs. Propose more core BPs. Volunteer to implement core BPs, they really need owners by next week (and code, in a fantasy world) | 14:38 |
| sgordon | right so spec reviews but also code reviews will start coming for some of these | 14:38 |
| adrian-hoban | ijw: Many ways to architect the system. Different performance trade-offs require different methods. We need to accommodate these methods for the VNF developers | 14:38 |
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| * russellb reviewed some NFV related specs in the last week :) | 14:39 | |
| russellb | and helped get the SR-IOV one approved, yay | 14:39 |
| ggarcia | ijw, adrian-hoban: Definitely PCIe passthrough and SR-IOV are needed to get the most of a server. With OVS, you waste resources and you end up supporting a few Gbps, not too much compared with other options | 14:39 |
| russellb | danpb: a couple of your specs are super close, i only had some minor nits | 14:40 |
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| heyongli | thanks russellb | 14:40 |
| sgordon | 2 interfaces 1 net - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97716/ | 14:40 |
| s3wong | ijw: for VLAN trunking bp, we are looking to collapse all of them into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100278/ | 14:40 |
| ijw | They're still warm from editing. | 14:40 |
| sgordon | API extension for L2 gateway - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100278/ | 14:40 |
| sgordon | etc. | 14:40 |
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| sgordon | prio list from the wiki | 14:40 |
| ijw | s3wong: but that's about a gateway, not trunks | 14:40 |
| sgordon | we can add to the list but let's try keep it tight | 14:40 |
| alank35 | yeah, not sure if the l2 gw API is NFV specific | 14:41 |
| s3wong | sgordon: yeah, that is the one | 14:41 |
| sgordon | alank35, it's not tbh | 14:41 |
| adrian-hoban | Spec submitted for PCIe NUMA scheduling today. | 14:41 |
| alank35 | i think the one ijw refered to was multi vnic per VM per neutron net | 14:41 |
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| russellb | #topic blueprints | 14:41 |
| sgordon | alank35, yes that is the first one i linked above | 14:41 |
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| sgordon | <heyongli> thanks russellb | 14:41 |
| sgordon | <sgordon> 2 interfaces 1 net - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97716/ | 14:41 |
| ijw | russellb: bit late with that topic ;) | 14:41 |
| russellb | we kinda already moved on to that topic yeah :) | 14:41 |
| russellb | just syncing | 14:41 |
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| ijw | So yes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97714/ simply proposes that you can ask for and identify a VLAN trunk, says nothing about breaking them apart | 14:42 |
| ijw | It's a very very trivial way of making this work but one that all plugins can support (merely by saying 'I don't make VLAN trunks' if necessary) | 14:42 |
| adrian-hoban | ijw: Can you map these to the ETSI-NFV use cases? | 14:43 |
| ijw | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97715/ is basically a way for a port to say 'I don't have my own address' - with knock on implications for spoof and security grouping | 14:43 |
| ijw | adrian-hoban: Again, no, not really, they're very concrete and the use cases are very abstract | 14:43 |
| ijw | You can implement ETSI cases without them with suitable VNFs; and you can find that with specific devices you can't implement anything without them. | 14:44 |
| yamahata | ijw: The api design of yours is too simplistic? It doesn't accomodate other use cases | 14:44 |
| alank35 | +1 ijw | 14:44 |
| ijw | yamahata: can you be specific? | 14:44 |
| sgordon | +1 | 14:45 |
| yamahata | ijw: as for 97715, neutron has already portsecurity extension to disable firewall etc. | 14:45 |
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| ijw | yamahata: but you can't make a port that explicitly has no address | 14:45 |
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| yamahata | ijw: Right. I'm saying that we should split unfirewall and unaddress. | 14:45 |
| yamahata | not by single switch. | 14:46 |
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| ramki | besides the ETSI NFV use cases, it is worth going through the ETSI NFV architectural framework document | 14:46 |
| ijw | yamahata: Now, I absolutely wasn't saying it's the only way to turn off firewalling, just that it's not possible to firewall an unaddressed interface | 14:46 |
| yamahata | portsecurity for unfirewall and something for unaddressed. | 14:46 |
| s3wong | yamahata: +1 | 14:46 |
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| ijw | So yes, portsecurity remains for addressed interfaces with firewalling needs; unaddressed interfaces have it off just because there's no meaningful thing you can implement for them | 14:47 |
| yamahata | ijw: agree that unaddressed means unfirewalled. | 14:47 |
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| ijw | Please don't take that BP as saying 'this is the one true way to disable firewalls' - it is actually trying to say 'this is a case where firewalls must be off' | 14:47 |
| sgordon | mmm so is there still a concern yamahata | 14:48 |
| s3wong | ijw: I think what yamahata said is that unaddressed interfaces bp should be separated from unfirewalled | 14:48 |
| sgordon | or has ijw explained the intent? | 14:48 |
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| s3wong | ijw: otherwise reviewers can say "there is already a bp for unfirewalled interfaces" | 14:48 |
| yamahata | s3wong: right. | 14:49 |
| ijw | s3wong, sgordon: I believe yamahata is addressing the case where you have an addressed interface with firewalling needs, which isn't supposed to overlap with what I'm proposing. If we're all clear that that's OK then could you reread the BP in that light? | 14:49 |
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| sgordon | ijw, right - i am not sure i see the issue | 14:49 |
| sgordon | ijw, there is nothing to separate out - they are already separate | 14:49 |
| ijw | (and if it needs clarification because people are misunderstanding it then comments, please | 14:49 |
| sgordon | ijw, it's just an implication of using the functionality in yours that the firewall will be disabled | 14:49 |
| sgordon | seems like we might need to take this to the review though :) | 14:50 |
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| ijw | OK - to the review, people. I promise I'll edit it this evening if you get your comments in | 14:50 |
| s3wong | sgordon: agreed, we should comment on review | 14:50 |
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| ijw | (PST, for the temporally challenged) | 14:51 |
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| sgordon | russellb, should we move on to the last topic in the etherpad? | 14:51 |
| sgordon | NFV team meet-up in Paris (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/ParisJuno2014 )? | 14:51 |
| sgordon | Some folks seem to be interested (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037608.html ) | 14:51 |
| ijw | Russell's getting old, keeps nodding off in the corner there | 14:52 |
| alank35 | will not make it to Paris | 14:52 |
| alank35 | would be better if the meetup is in NorthAmerica | 14:52 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 14:52 |
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| bauzas | the Nova meetup is in Portland, OR | 14:52 |
| ijw | Yeah, I don't think I would be able to make it to Europe | 14:52 |
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| s3wong | alank35: I was going to say we can wait until the K-Summit, but realized that that Summit happens to also be in Paris :-) | 14:53 |
| bauzas | the question was, is it worth of interest to run another meetup in Europe, before the NA one ? | 14:53 |
| sgordon | alank35, neither | 14:53 |
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| alank35 | yep, | 14:53 |
| russellb | and it's in just a few weeks | 14:53 |
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| russellb | no way i could make it i think | 14:53 |
| ijw | Well, if we run a meetup what are we going to do at it, let's start there? | 14:53 |
| russellb | i'll be at the nova one though for sure | 14:53 |
| alank35 | +1 ijw, so far i dont see much substance | 14:54 |
| sgordon | ijw, at that point in the cycle we would hope to be well under way on coding | 14:54 |
| ijw | Again, running up a list of changes for j.3 is all well and good but to get them approved they will have to be persuasive and relatively easy to implement | 14:54 |
| sgordon | so unless thats the aim... | 14:54 |
| bauzas | the problem is not not all people can attend the Nova one in Portland, OR | 14:54 |
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| bauzas | :) | 14:54 |
| alank35 | so until its nailed down, nfv meetup may be premature imho..... | 14:54 |
| bauzas | is /that/ | 14:54 |
| russellb | bauzas: you should ask to go :) | 14:54 |
| ijw | And if we *are* all in the middle of coding then wandering off for a few days for a meetup might not be ideal... | 14:54 |
| bauzas | russellb: I have my own personal duty :) | 14:55 |
| ijw | Not quite sure where people are, but we might be able to manage an ad hoc one near a concentration of people. I know Alan and Adrian make it over to the bay area occasionally | 14:55 |
| s3wong | bauzas: especially for those focusing on Neutron :-) | 14:55 |
| alank35 | +1 ijw, but i am on a plane so often these days it can be in "Hawaii" and i would definitely make time | 14:56 |
| sgordon | it's settled then | 14:57 |
| ijw | If it's in Hawaii then so will I ;) | 14:57 |
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| sgordon | nfv meetup in hawaii | 14:57 |
| russellb | it's settled to be in Hawaii? | 14:57 |
| russellb | works for me | 14:57 |
| sgordon | ;p | 14:57 |
| nijaba | +1 | 14:57 |
| ijw | You know, that's the closest we've had to a consensus all day. | 14:57 |
| sgordon | i jest | 14:57 |
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| russellb | ijw: :) | 14:57 |
| sgordon | i agree with ijw and alank35 | 14:57 |
| sgordon | unless someone has a concrete proposal | 14:57 |
| russellb | no meetup this cycle? | 14:58 |
| sgordon | of what to do at said meetup it's going to be hard to see people making time | 14:58 |
| ijw | Well, all I'll say is that if you find yourselves in the south bay, find me and we shall drink much beer | 14:58 |
| bauzas | sounds reasonable | 14:58 |
| sgordon | i am going to be there for the openstack design book sprint in early july | 14:58 |
| sgordon | but that is another story | 14:58 |
| russellb | #agree no NFV specific meetup for Juno cycle, but ijw is offering beers in the bay area | 14:58 |
| russellb | :) | 14:58 |
| ijw | Works for me ;) | 14:58 |
| sgordon | so we're at time as well | 14:59 |
| sgordon | but... | 14:59 |
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| adrian-hoban | If it works for some people to get together then great, but I think we need to focus on agreeing the priority and executing... | 14:59 |
| sgordon | reviews, reviews, reviews | 14:59 |
| alank35 | +1 will definitely come to the bay just for that | 14:59 |
| * russellb will review more this week! | 14:59 | |
| sgordon | both designs and code is starting to come as well | 14:59 |
| adrian-hoban | Sounds like ijw is buying :-) | 14:59 |
| russellb | nova stuff at least | 14:59 |
| ijw | adrian-hoban: stick your NFV/SRIOV use case together and anything of a similar nature, that will help with priorities | 14:59 |
| sgordon | dont be disparaged, +1s and -1s are just as valuable for indicating things are heading in the right direction | 14:59 |
| sgordon | core reviewers do notice your feedback | 15:00 |
| russellb | +1 to what sgordon said | 15:00 |
| russellb | hugely helpful to have input on these things | 15:00 |
| russellb | ok out of time | 15:00 |
| russellb | thanks! | 15:00 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 18 15:00:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-06-18-14.03.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-06-18-14.03.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-06-18-14.03.log.html | 15:00 |
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| sgordon | pcm_, there was an email saying it's cancelled on -dev | 15:14 |
| pcm_ | sgordon: ah missed it. thanks. | 15:14 |
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| banix | Are the “1052” people here? | 15:59 |
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| banix | hi | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | Hello ML2'ers | 16:00 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:00 |
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| slogan | hola | 16:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
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| chuckC | hi | 16:00 |
| padkrish | hi | 16:00 |
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| trinaths | hi | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura here? | 16:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | Looks like we have quorum | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 18 16:01:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_June_18.2C_2014 | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | I do not have any announcements today | 16:02 |
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| shivharis | sukhdev: you want say something about | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | anybody has any? | 16:03 |
| amotoki | hi | 16:03 |
| shivharis | the CI failing and remidiation | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Oh yes - we have a fiasco about the CI's failing this week | 16:03 |
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| banix | ;) | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | Our Arista CI got hit three times last week | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | This is all about the upgrades to 3.x version | 16:04 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: 3.x version of what? | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | I sent out an announcement on the ML to warn all CI owners | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura:python | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | pip version had to be upgraded | 16:05 |
| trinaths | what is that failure? | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | then setuptools need to be upraded | 16:05 |
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| banix | have a link to your email by anychance? or date/time | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | I sent it out on Saturday | 16:06 |
| banix | Sukhdev: ok thx | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | Do not have a link handy | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | I was with Infra folks all afternoon getting this fixed. | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | The fix has been merged upstream and now everything is fine | 16:07 |
| yamamoto | this? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037713.html | 16:07 |
| shivharis | in openstack-neutron ML look for subject "Most Third Party CI's Failing" | 16:07 |
| trinaths | Sukhdev, what is the fix required for this. | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis:yes | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: nothing now - it has been fixed in the upstream - | 16:07 |
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| chuckC | Is there impact on devstack? | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | Also, want to mention that Kyle sent out an email asking all CI's to conform to third party requirements - | 16:08 |
| trinaths | Sukhdev, do CI owners need to do an upgrade. | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | deadline is Juno-2 | 16:08 |
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| trinaths | okay | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: no - it turned out the upstream was broken, hence no change is needed now | 16:09 |
| trinaths | Sukhdev, thanks | 16:09 |
| amotoki | for setuptools, the fix is http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack/commit/tools/install_pip.sh?id=76ed427ca17fb271974b4882c0b5e3c18ed3d889 | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: thanks | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else for announcements? | 16:10 |
| shivharis | can we put a link for CI requiremnts in the ML2 wiki page | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: I guess that will be OK | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | I'll add the link later | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | ##topic: Action items from last week | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: floor is yours | 16:12 |
| banix | yes sure | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I saw the wiki - looks good | 16:13 |
| banix | the wiki for tracking specs has been up; removed the etherpad (left a link to the wiki only) | 16:13 |
| amotoki | looks good, but i wonder why some L3 related reviews are included. | 16:13 |
| banix | there was a request for possibly tracking code review as well | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: it will be a good idea to have a link to the code in one column | 16:14 |
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| banix | amotoki: yeah we can remove if not related to ML2 | 16:14 |
| banix | Sukhdev: since we have just a few specs already merged i added a column to the table for merged specs | 16:15 |
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| amotoki | banix: np. thanks. | 16:15 |
| banix | I am not sure if people are updating the table though… We will see | 16:15 |
| trinaths | banix: me updated. | 16:15 |
| amotoki | i would like to suggest removing +/- score from the table. | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | I forgot to update the table after approving the partial specs spec | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | I do not believe folks are updating the table - | 16:16 |
| banix | amotoki: because it may prevent people from reviewing those with -1s? | 16:16 |
| trinaths | amotoki, +1/-1 will be helpful as a summary of the review. | 16:16 |
| amotoki | banix: no. scores are changed too frequently. | 16:16 |
| banix | amotoki: yes that is true | 16:17 |
| amotoki | Does "Cx" mean a core reviewer and "Rx" mean a Reviewer? | 16:17 |
| amotoki | where x is a number. | 16:17 |
| banix | Considering people are not updating the tables I am wondering if simply having a table cotaining the first couple of columns would be enough but we can wait and see | 16:17 |
| banix | amotoki: yes | 16:17 |
| slogan | actually, I forgot yesterday to update the table after reviewing the ML2 VXLAN spec. I'll do that now | 16:18 |
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| banix | we have to also assign priority if we want to take this to the wider Neutron group I think | 16:18 |
| amotoki | the table is useful. Hopefully reviewer owner updates a corresponding entry. I believe it helps owners. | 16:19 |
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| banix | I did not want to assign priority on my own but added the guideline to the end of the wiki page | 16:19 |
| shivharis | should we assign the prirorty instead of the wider group | 16:19 |
| banix | amotoki: ok. makes sense | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | Some of the owners are not aware of this table. I sent an email to one of the owners to put their ML2 BP in this table | 16:19 |
| rkukura | we should identify the BPs that we think should be high or medium | 16:19 |
| banix | now we can sort the table based on priority (once those are assigned) :) it’s like we are using computers :) | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | who wants to take an action to assign the priorities? | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | :-) | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | Can people here suggest BPs that more than one driver depend on? | 16:21 |
| amotoki | how about splitting the table into categories: ML2 common, mech driver specific? | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: that would automatically put the priority - | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | ML2 common are higher priority | 16:22 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: yeah. it helps us :-) | 16:22 |
| rkukura | I think some common BPs should be higher prioiry than others | 16:22 |
| banix | amotoki: using priority may do the same within a single table | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | for example, if several drivers need extensions, it should be higher than if only one driver needs that BP | 16:23 |
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| amotoki | rkukura: makes sense much | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: if we moved such BP under ML2 common, it will get higher priority? | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: can we ask you to volunteer to baby sit it for a bit longer to get it fully in order?, please... | 16:25 |
| padkrish | rkukura: So, should there be a column in the wiki that says ML2 common? | 16:25 |
| banix | Sukhdev: sure no problem | 16:25 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: as a start we could put the common ones higher in the list than the non-common BPs | 16:26 |
| banix | Sukhdev: what specifically do you want to be done | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I liked amotoki suggestion of ML2 common and ML2 drivers | 16:26 |
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| rkukura | I’d like to identify if there are any BPs here that absolutely must get done in juno, from more than a single vendor’s perspective. | 16:26 |
| banix | Sukhdev: sure will split up the table into two and see how it goes | 16:27 |
| rkukura | Those should be high | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | banix: Once we split them into categories | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | then we can use rkukura idea to further prioritize within a given category | 16:27 |
| banix | sounds good | 16:28 |
| shivharis | it is best to minimize baby sitting, the table is not too big. as rkukura says maybe a column that says Juno-must | 16:28 |
| banix | i guess rkukura is asking if there is any bp that needs to be set to high priority; please speak up | 16:28 |
| rkukura | We should also try to identify anything other subteams depend on, and raise priority of these BPs to match their dependent BPs | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | #Action: banix to re-organize the wiki to categorize the specs and add a column for code reviews | 16:29 |
| banix | shivharis: i agree; i think just a priority would do imho | 16:29 |
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| nlahouti | the VDP one | 16:29 |
| slogan | there is already a priority column. Just invent a new number - 0 (Juno-must) | 16:29 |
| rkukura | nlahouti: Is the VDP spec need by more than one vendor? | 16:29 |
| banix | Sukhdev: i added the column for code review for the table that is for approved specs | 16:29 |
| slogan | then 1, 2, 3 ... | 16:29 |
| banix | would that work? | 16:29 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: not for now. | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | banix: ah OK | 16:30 |
| rkukura | priority 1 (high) is for the juno-musts | 16:30 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: the cisco dfa MD need it | 16:30 |
| rkukura | priority 2 (medium) is for common features needed by multiple drivers | 16:30 |
| shivharis | banix: agree | 16:30 |
| rkukura | priority 3 is for vendor drivers and common features only needed by single vendor drivers | 16:30 |
| yamamoto | rkukura: sounds reasonable | 16:31 |
| slogan | rkukura: fie. maybe we need some text on the page that says this then | 16:31 |
| rkukura | its a start | 16:31 |
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| nlahouti | rkukura: which prority is juno must | 16:31 |
| amotoki | sounds good. it is a good startline. | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | Looks like we are converging on this | 16:31 |
| banix | slogan: had some text at the bottom about priority | 16:31 |
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| shivharis | 30 mins left | 16:31 |
| sadasu | nlahouti: 0 | 16:31 |
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| banix | Ok let me go through and do the assignment | 16:32 |
| slogan | banix: ah. hrmmm, wrap it with a blink tag? :-P | 16:32 |
| banix | you can beat me up next time or on the mailing list | 16:32 |
| rkukura | But we will need to use judgement on things that don’t fit these categories, like QoS or partial specs, … | 16:32 |
| banix | slogan: :) | 16:32 |
| rkukura | banix: +1 | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: agreed | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | shall we move on? | 16:33 |
| banix | yes we can change if the priority assigned is not correct | 16:33 |
| banix | yes pls | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Modular L2 agent | 16:33 |
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| banix | there was one more action item | 16:33 |
| banix | the bug for bulk item | 16:34 |
| banix | I looked into it; Shall I discuss that first? | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | banix: Opps… please go ahead and provide update | 16:34 |
| shivharis | what did you find? | 16:34 |
| banix | Yes so as the bug says the bulk creates are done in one transaction | 16:34 |
| banix | so for ML2 drivers create network for example is called multiple times from within a transaction | 16:35 |
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| banix | This will include calls to postcommit operations | 16:35 |
| rkukura | calling the postcommit methods within transactions is definitely a bug, IMHO | 16:35 |
| banix | rkukura: agress | 16:36 |
| banix | so the fix would be having create_network_bulk for example in plugin.py (rather than using one in the mixin) | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | I was planning on taking to ML and discuss it there - we touched on it a bit last week | 16:36 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: that would work | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | but, banix go on if you have details | 16:37 |
| banix | yeah so the bulk aps are to be atomic | 16:37 |
| banix | right now that is achieved by having multiple calls for create operations in a transaction | 16:37 |
| banix | here: | 16:37 |
| banix | context.session.begin(subtransactions=True) | 16:38 |
| banix | try: | 16:38 |
| banix | for item in items: | 16:38 |
| banix | obj_creator = getattr(self, 'create_%s' % resource) | 16:38 |
| banix | objects.append(obj_creator(context, item)) | 16:38 |
| banix | context.session.commit() | 16:38 |
| banix | Sorry dhould have used paste | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | banix: the problem is how would you unwind if one of these fails | 16:39 |
| banix | Sukhdev: yeah; since these are only for creates (are there bulks for other operations?) that would be deleting all newly created resources | 16:40 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: according to documentation - bulk is only for creates - which is problematic as well | 16:40 |
| slogan | seems like that subtransactions arg is a clue as to how to fix this (and implies it is ok to do in multiple transactions) | 16:40 |
| rkukura | banix: Seems there are at least two possible strategies: 1) call create outide transactions and delete the already-created resources if any creates fail, or 2) do all the precommit method calls in one transaction, then all the postcommits afterwards | 16:41 |
| rkukura | slogan: I wouldn’t read too much into ontext.session.begin(subtransactions=True) since almost every transaction in neutron looks like this | 16:42 |
| banix | rkukura: even in 2 you may need to delte already created resources. right? | 16:42 |
| slogan | ok | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I like 2 | 16:42 |
| rkukura | banix: Any failure in any precommit would rollback the entire transaction | 16:43 |
| shivharis | for 2: if all precommits are done first, and later one of postcommit fails, are all precommits un-done? | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: with this approach, if any post-commit fails, sync can take care of it - and we do not need to unwind | 16:43 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Good question | 16:43 |
| banix | shivharis: yes that was my point | 16:43 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I agree, once we have a sync strategy | 16:43 |
| banix | yeah right now for a single create if post commit fail we rollback | 16:44 |
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| banix | considering that bulk operations are to be atomic by defnition then we have to rollback i belive | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | I think to be consistent with our current error handling, we’d need to delete all the resources if any postcommit fails | 16:44 |
| shivharis | banix: but some postcommits may have succeeded so that is a can of worms | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | I think we need to solve this in conjunction with sync - things will get much better and less error prone | 16:45 |
| banix | shivharis: sync :) will save you | 16:45 |
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| banix | shivharis: i know | 16:45 |
| rkukura | and if we do delete them all on any postcommit failure, I don’t think this really has much advantage over option 1. | 16:45 |
| amotoki | I have another point of view. Once precommit completes, resources under being created are visible to API and they can be used. it seems not to be atomic. | 16:45 |
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| amotoki | Ideally we need additional state for resources. | 16:46 |
| rkukura | seems like maybe we should consider option 1 for the short term, and option 2 as part of a solving the sync/recovery issue | 16:46 |
| banix | amotoki: that’s a good point | 16:46 |
| shivharis | will this work as "tasks" that mark is working on? | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | maybe we need to get sync/recovery back on the agenda soon | 16:47 |
| rkukura | I still have an action to discuss using tasks for this with markmcclain | 16:47 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: Yes - I think we should look for cleaner solution, and sync will do it | 16:47 |
| shivharis | 12 mins left | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | Any volunteers to work on sync with Bob and I? | 16:48 |
| shivharis | i can | 16:48 |
| banix | Even with sync the issue raised by amotoki will be there | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: cool - we should discuss | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | Lets move on folks | 16:48 |
| shivharis | sukhdev: k | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | banix: anything on ML2 agent? | 16:48 |
| banix | yes | 16:48 |
| banix | please read and make comments/suggestions | 16:49 |
| shivharis | banix: pics in the docs dont render, any suggestions | 16:49 |
| banix | there have been just a few emails from yesterday on the ML | 16:49 |
| banix | shivharis: hmmm sorry will try to fix | 16:49 |
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| Sukhdev | Lets all spend some time this week to review this - I will do it.. | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | moving on | 16:50 |
| yamamoto | do you have a plan to write something which can work? | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:50 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: thanks; please do | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: want to sat anything? | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | s/sat/say | 16:50 |
| chuckC | amotoki: is that a bulk create issue, or even single create? | 16:50 |
| shivharis | I had been using a set of bugs that I was | 16:50 |
| banix | yamamoto: if I get a green light from all you guys that this approach is reasonable, then i will go ahead. yes. | 16:51 |
| chuckC | sorry, my client hung for a bit | 16:51 |
| shivharis | tracking. based on the last meeting we decided to do it based on a search criteria | 16:51 |
| amotoki | chuckC: good point. I think it is not specific to bulk operation. | 16:51 |
| shivharis | so lets look at the link from the agends on bugs? | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | banix: lets try to reach to conclusion next week | 16:51 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: ok sounds good | 16:51 |
| shivharis | we need to get "confirmed" picked up by folks | 16:52 |
| banix | chuckC: that’s a very good point. | 16:52 |
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| Sukhdev | We need volunteers - | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: have you been chasing folks for this? | 16:53 |
| shivharis | yup, looking for volunteers. if not i am going to switch back to old way and ask specific help | 16:53 |
| slogan | newbie question: I can do code reviews, for bug fixes (if any) what do i do, find a peer who is willing to take a patch and commit. I know I can probably read about it, but since we are talking about bugs and volunteers | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | we are running short on time... | 16:53 |
| shivharis | slogan: need folks like you. will ping you. any other folks | 16:54 |
| banix | i can work on the bulk operation one … need to figure out the role of sync or perhaps have that as a separate work item | 16:54 |
| shivharis | s/folks/volunteers/ | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: cool - lets chat on IRC afterwards | 16:54 |
| banix | Sukhdev: ok | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: anything else? | 16:55 |
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| sadasu | are there any bugs that are confirmed and unassigned? | 16:55 |
| shivharis | no, need volunteers !! | 16:55 |
| amotoki | I categorized reviews on the wiki page during the meeting. | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Spec Reviews | 16:55 |
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| slogan | shivharis: thanks | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | We have covered it already | 16:55 |
| padkrish_ | #shivharis# count me in | 16:55 |
| shivharis | padkrish_: will do | 16:56 |
| nlahouti | shivharis: me too | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | wanted to mention that everybody is not logging there BPs in our table here is an example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97490/ | 16:56 |
| shivharis | nlahouti: will do | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | I wanted to cover which BPs are ready for core reviewers - but, we are out of time | 16:57 |
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| shivharis | 3 mins left | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | I added couple of them to the agenda - Please look at them | 16:57 |
| nlahouti | sukhdev: is there any timeline for core to approve the 'ready to approve BP'? | 16:57 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev: I answered your question on my BP review | 16:57 |
| sadasu | could you pls take a look again? | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:57 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: Will try to add the priority today so you and rkukura can see how it looks and decide what to take to neutron meeting | 16:58 |
| banix | Sukhdev: if any | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | nlahouti: rkukura and I will take it to the cores to get them approved as soon as this sub-team gives thumbs up | 16:58 |
| rkukura | banix: ok | 16:58 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev: BP is : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95236/ | 16:58 |
| yamamoto | why not assert that postcommit is not in a transaction? | 16:58 |
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| shivharis | acknowledging bug volunteers: slogan, nlhouti, banix, padkrish_ Appreciate it !! | 16:59 |
| nlahouti | sukhdev: thx | 16:59 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: I updated the MD extension BP in the etherpad can you please take a look it and give comments? | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: I reviewed it | 16:59 |
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| rkukura | nlahouti: will do | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | folks we are out of time…sorry | 16:59 |
| chuckC | newbie question: better to have small unit test review partially fixes a bug, or do the whole bug (https://review.openstack.org/99129) | 16:59 |
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| amotoki | banix: I rearranged the spec review pages you created. please check it. | 16:59 |
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| nlahouti | rkukura: it has some sample code. | 16:59 |
| sadasu | Sukhdev: yes...u posted questions...which I have answered...so can u look again, pls? | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | #endmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 18 16:59:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-06-18-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| banix | amotoki: sure; thanks. May cause issues wrt sorting but i will look. thanks. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-06-18-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| shivharis | bye all | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: yes will | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-06-18-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
| trinaths | bye | 17:00 |
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| sadasu | Sukhdev: thnx! | 17:00 |
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| banix | bye | 17:00 |
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| amotoki | thank all. | 17:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:00 |
| slogan | shivharis: I am best with low hanging fruit bugs as I get my feet wet with ML2 and neutron. And I have no checkin rights. Perhaps msg me separately with some suggestions on how best to work with others to get patches into review? I'd like to earn commit rights, but don't have them. | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 18 17:01:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: designate)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Heya | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Who's about? | 17:01 |
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| timfreund | Hi all. | 17:01 |
| eankutse | heya | 17:01 |
| vinod1 | o/ | 17:01 |
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| betsy | o/ | 17:01 |
| tsimmons | o/ | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | literally just off a call, getting ducks in a row now ;) 2 sec | 17:02 |
| rjrjr_ | here | 17:02 |
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| ekarlso | ello | 17:02 |
| Kiall | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:02 |
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| ekarlso | was in the wrong chan :) | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | ekarlso: hah :) | 17:02 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:02 |
| Kiall | Okay - First was kiall to file BP on exposing NS/SOA records in V2 API | 17:03 |
| jaycaz | Hey everyone | 17:03 |
| Kiall | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/expose-soa-ns and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100901/ cover it off | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | Please read + review :) | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Next was kiall to write out mdns initial load scenarios and add to eankutse's BP | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | I think eankutse's blueprint covered off pretty much all of them? | 17:03 |
| eankutse | I did add that to the blueprint | 17:04 |
| Kiall | (the Q+A's in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/mdns-master) | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | Again - Please read, comment, etc :) | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | And - That was all the items I believe | 17:04 |
| Kiall | #topic Review blueprint for Recordsets/Records DB tables redesign | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | betsy: about? | 17:05 |
| betsy | yep | 17:05 |
| Kiall | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/recordsets-records-tables-redesign | 17:05 |
| betsy | So, we’ve talked this to death, I think | 17:05 |
| Kiall | :D | 17:05 |
| Kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/Records_Table_Redesign | 17:05 |
| Kiall | ^ actual spec :) | 17:05 |
| betsy | I just wanted to let everybody know that the bp/spec is ready for approval | 17:05 |
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| betsy | So, comments welcome | 17:05 |
| vinod1 | ready for review or ready for approval :-) | 17:06 |
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| betsy | I think it’s been reviewed/discussed by everyone, but maybe I’m wrong | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Okay - Does anyone have any outstanding concerns on it? (Or, have people read it yet? :)) | 17:06 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm good. | 17:06 |
| ekarlso | goodie | 17:06 |
| eankutse | One note on the scenarios | 17:06 |
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| tsimmons | They should probably be | 17:07 |
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| tsimmons | *They should probably be "recordset_id" instead of "recoredset_id" ;) | 17:07 |
| betsy | Oops | 17:07 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Lol - Okay, other than minor typos, any concers? | 17:08 |
| Kiall | concerns* | 17:08 |
| tsimmons | Not from me. | 17:08 |
| mugsie | nope - pretty happy with it | 17:08 |
| rjrjr_ | still good. | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | Okay - No dissent - I'll mark it approved. | 17:08 |
| Kiall | #topic New style rules | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | jaycaz: about? | 17:09 |
| jaycaz | Upgrading the hacking package | 17:09 |
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| jaycaz | it's in the openstack global-requirements | 17:09 |
| jaycaz | plus, there are some new style rules that are important for making sure I18n is set up properly for log messages | 17:10 |
| jaycaz | however, there are a bunch more style rules that have been added as well | 17:10 |
| Kiall | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1330540 | 17:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1330540 in designate/juno "Style checker ignoring logging I18n issue" [Medium,In progress] | 17:10 |
| jaycaz | here's a quick list of the new style rules: | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | # H104 file contains nothing more than comments | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | # H236 Python 3.x incompatible __metaclass__, use six.add_metaclass() | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | # H305 imports not grouped correctly | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | # H307 like imports should be grouped together | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | # H405 multi line docstring summary not separated with an empty line | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | # H904 Wrap long lines in parentheses instead of a backslash | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | # E111 Indentation is not a multiple of four | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | # E126 continuation line over-indented for hanging indent | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | # E128 continuation line under-indented for visual indent | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | # E251 unexpected spaces around keyword / parameter equals | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | # E265 Block comment should start with '# ' | 17:11 |
| * Kiall is really surprised jaycaz wasn't booted by freenode for that ;) | 17:11 | |
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| jaycaz | haha, whoops | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | still new to irc, sorry | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Specifically - there are 11 new rules which we don't stick to, some are important (e.g. H236 Python 3.x incompatible..."), some are pretty trivial (e.g. H405 multi line docstring summary not separated with an empty line) | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Everyone happy for us to simply ignore the trivial new rules for now? | 17:12 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:12 |
| vinod1 | Are any of these required for graduation from incubation phase? | 17:12 |
| jaycaz | either way, I made individual patches | 17:12 |
| tsimmons | Fo' sho. | 17:12 |
| mugsie | vinod1, no | 17:12 |
| jaycaz | so whichever ones you decide to apply, I can add pretty easily | 17:12 |
| Kiall | And - Of those 11 - what do we think are non-trivial? I'd say H236 is the only one I think we should try fix soon | 17:13 |
| jaycaz | also, H405 isn't even an issue because we also ignore H404 | 17:13 |
| jaycaz | I'd say H236 is the most important | 17:13 |
| tsimmons | I thought E126/128 were enforced already, huh. | 17:14 |
| rjrjr_ | H236 seems important. | 17:14 |
| rjrjr_ | is there a tool to check for these in code? | 17:14 |
| rjrjr_ | (the non-trivial ones) | 17:14 |
| Kiall | jaycaz: Well, If you have patches made already - I wouldn't be opposed to applying + enforcing, I just don't want anyone spending too much time on trivial things :) | 17:14 |
| jaycaz | no, that's fine | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: yes, "hacking" and flake8 enforce them.. If we don't ignore them in tox.ini, the gate would prevent them from entering the codebase :) | 17:14 |
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| betsy | Hey, isn’t that what interns are for? :D | 17:14 |
| jaycaz | some of the trivial ones actually take more work then they might be worth | 17:14 |
| rjrjr_ | so, we might have this covered already except H236? | 17:15 |
| jaycaz | H904 was kind of a pain | 17:15 |
| Kiall | No, these are new rules brought in by a new version of hacking | 17:15 |
| betsy | jaycaz: If you’ve already done the work, then we should start enforcing them | 17:15 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:16 |
| jaycaz | I have patches for H236, H305, H307, H904, E11, E251, E265 | 17:16 |
| Kiall | betsy: Yea, agreed. I personally don't care what style we enforce - so long as it's consistent ;) | 17:16 |
| jaycaz | The indent ones (E126, E128) were only breaking for a few really long lines | 17:16 |
| jaycaz | and I wasn't sure how to change them and still keep it readable | 17:16 |
| Kiall | jaycaz: Sounds like we should take the patches you have, and ignore the rest. No point letting the patches rot / go to waste, | 17:17 |
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| tsimmons | I'd say just use your best judgement on the ones we should be following and ignore the arduous ones. | 17:17 |
| jaycaz | Kiall: So, for the patches I have, should I commit them individually or consolidate them together? | 17:17 |
| mugsie | i think this is one case where a consolodated patch is ok | 17:17 |
| Kiall | I would do them separately, easier to review, if you have them that way already :) | 17:17 |
| Kiall | If not .. 1 is OK | 17:17 |
| jaycaz | I have them separately. That might be best because some of them affect a lot of files | 17:18 |
| jaycaz | H305/307 affects over a hundred files, but only the import statements | 17:18 |
| jaycaz | and it's mostly just adding newlines | 17:18 |
| Kiall | jaycaz: great, if you apply them to your clone 1 after another, and `git review`, it'll create a review for each commit | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Once ^ are applied, we can see a smaller list and decide if there are others we want to tackle / continue to ignore | 17:19 |
| jaycaz | so, commit them all separately, but to the same branch, and only git review at the end? | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | jaycaz: exactly | 17:20 |
| jaycaz | that's pretty nifty. all right then! | 17:20 |
| Kiall | betsy / vinod1 / mugsie - since they affect so many files, merge conflicts will be real easy.. if we can review them promptly it'll save jaycaz some pain | 17:20 |
| betsy | true | 17:20 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:20 |
| Kiall | Okay - Moving on | 17:20 |
| Kiall | #topic Zone Ownership Transfer Blueprint | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:21 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100267/ | 17:21 |
| Kiall | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/67/100267/5/check/gate-designate-specs-docs/ca4a197/doc/build/html/specs/juno/zone-migration-between-tenants.html | 17:21 |
| mugsie | betsy, put up a patch with typos fixed | 17:21 |
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| mugsie | so have people read the spec? any questions? | 17:21 |
| Kiall | BTW - Thanks for being the first to brave the new designate-specs repo ;) | 17:22 |
| mugsie | I did get it setup - feel right that I feel the pain first :) | 17:22 |
| betsy | +1 And how did you generate the docs to make it look pretty? | 17:22 |
| mugsie | the jobs do that automatically | 17:22 |
| Kiall | betsy: the gate will automagically do it | 17:22 |
| betsy | Ah. I just didn’t know where to look for it | 17:23 |
| Kiall | the "gate-designate-docs" job link will point to the rendered docs | 17:23 |
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| mugsie | it is the gate-designate-specs-docs link that jenkins comments with | 17:23 |
| Kiall | (post-merge, they still don't get published anywhere, we'll fix that as soon as infra have somewhere for them to go) | 17:23 |
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| mugsie | well, github will render them after merge for the time being | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | So - besides betsy / myself - has anyone else had time to review it yet? No is Ok :) | 17:24 |
| tsimmons | The BP looks good to me at a glance. Looks like a really cool feature. | 17:24 |
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| vinod1 | i did not yet look at them | 17:24 |
| rjrjr_ | i haven't. | 17:24 |
| ekarlso | looked at it, looks good | 17:24 |
| mugsie | cool. can we aim to have it merge soon (next day or 2)? | 17:25 |
| Kiall | mugsie - Okay, seems the general opinion is it's fine - maybe get started on it, and we can look again next week? | 17:25 |
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| eankutse | Not me | 17:25 |
| Kiall | after vinod1 / rjrjr_ anyone else has time to read | 17:26 |
| mugsie | we dont have to wait for the meeting next week - when ever people have time, just leave comments like an normal review | 17:26 |
| mugsie | and when we think it is ok, we can +A it | 17:26 |
| rjrjr_ | mugsie: will do. | 17:26 |
| Kiall | mugsie: true - half the point of the specs repo I guess :) | 17:26 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:26 |
| betsy | mugsie: I really like this new process. Thanks again for setting it up | 17:26 |
| mugsie | np | 17:26 |
| Kiall | #action all to review owner transfer spec @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100267/ | 17:27 |
| Kiall | If there's no Q's for mugsie - we'll move on... | 17:27 |
| Kiall | #topic Cells and Designate | 17:27 |
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| Kiall | (was: Is it possible to have Designate Sink consume notification from a separate rabbitmq instance than it uses to communicate with Designate central?) | 17:27 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: you added this one I think? :) | 17:28 |
| rjrjr_ | Subbu_ is an eBay architect and has joined us for this topic. | 17:28 |
| Kiall | #link http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/section_compute-cells.html | 17:28 |
| Kiall | Subbu_: heya, welcome :) | 17:28 |
| Subbu_ | just here as a user/operator - would like to understand the pattern for deploying Designate with compute cells in place | 17:29 |
| Kiall | Subbu_: the more users/operators join, the more likely we are to build things that work ;) | 17:29 |
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| Subbu_ | Kiall: yes. rjrjr_ and our team was debatign the best pattern | 17:30 |
| rjrjr_ | so, yesterday, kiall mentioned shovel. i'm wondering if we can't do better. 8^) | 17:30 |
| ekarlso | well atm it's not possible with the current sink code, but I don't think it should be overly hard (but then again I haven't looked at how oslo.messaging is ith multiple connection to diff rmq's) | 17:30 |
| Kiall | So - I have to admit, I know very little about Nova Cells. I suppose they could be considered similar to regions, Just with 1 API endpoint for N "cells"? | 17:30 |
| Subbu_ | Kiall: a bit different | 17:30 |
| ekarlso | since designate-sink currently assumes u have the stuff u consume from and designate on the same rmq connection | 17:31 |
| Subbu_ | top level cell communicates with cell level nova-scheduler via a rabbit | 17:31 |
| ekarlso | Kiall: well, each cell has different rmq's isn't that correct ? | 17:31 |
| Subbu_ | within each cell there is a differrent rabit | 17:31 |
| Subbu_ | correct - to scale out rabbit mess | 17:32 |
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| ekarlso | so u would need kinda 1 sink then pr cell or smth | 17:32 |
| rjrjr_ | ekarlso: correct. | 17:32 |
| mugsie | how does celiometer get events from the cells? | 17:32 |
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| Subbu_ | we have not looked at Ceilometer in the context of cells yet (it has its own scaling issues) | 17:33 |
| mugsie | right | 17:33 |
| rjrjr_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/nova-cell-support | 17:33 |
| rjrjr_ | looks like cell support has been discussed for ceilometer. | 17:33 |
| Kiall | Subbu_: Also - you're specifically interested in designate-sink + cells? (The original agenda item mentioned sink by name) | 17:33 |
| Subbu_ | The challenge as I understand from rjrjr_ is that the inbound and outbound messages for the sink need to go over different rabbits | 17:33 |
| Subbu_ | correct | 17:33 |
| rjrjr_ | yes, we want sink to participate in cell, but communicate with Designate central. | 17:34 |
| Subbu_ | the idea of shovel was mentioned, but that's a bit scary from scalability point of view. The intent of cells is to keep each cell rabbit independent | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Okay - About 2 months ago we made the switch from the old oslo.rpc to the new oslo.messaging code, which ekarlso tells me supports multiple connections to different RMQs. But - Our code today doesn't take advantage of this. | 17:34 |
| dtx00ff | (Central and API do not sit in the cell level FYI) | 17:34 |
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| ekarlso | Kiall: well, I haven't looked much at o.m : p | 17:34 |
| Subbu_ | Kiall: that seems like a good idea | 17:34 |
| ekarlso | but I *think* it would go | 17:34 |
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| ekarlso | coudl do some time later today or tmrw to find out | 17:35 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, designate-sink could be updated to support supplying two set's of RMQ connection details, 1 for talking to Designate, 1 for receiving events. | 17:35 |
| Kiall | (in theory.. ) | 17:35 |
| Subbu_ | +1 | 17:35 |
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| Subbu_ | rjrjr_: what do you think? | 17:36 |
| rjrjr_ | if possible, i would write up a BP and work on solution. | 17:36 |
| mugsie | would that fix cells thought? - it would n+1 connections (where n = # cells) | 17:36 |
| dtx00ff | What if the queue talking to Designate dies, we lose all teh messages. we dont persist them in Sink as of now. | 17:37 |
| Kiall | mugsie: well, you would deploy Nx designate-sink's into each cell, | 17:37 |
| Subbu_ | mugsie: just two | 17:37 |
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| Subbu_ | Kiall: correct, there will be n sinks | 17:37 |
| Kiall | dtx00ff: If an exception occurs while processing a message in sink, it will not be ACK'd, so it will remain on the queue for reprocessing. | 17:38 |
| rjrjr_ | ekarlso: can you let me know if it is possible with o.m? | 17:38 |
| ekarlso | rjrjr_: sure, I can try tmrw | 17:38 |
| Kiall | ekarlso - yea, since you know the lib better than us ;) if you could give rjrjr_ some pointers, and if it looks like it will solve the their problem, we can look into implementing it | 17:39 |
| rjrjr_ | very appreciated. 8^) | 17:39 |
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| Subbu_ | thank you guys - this makes it possible for us to put it in place :) | 17:40 |
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| Kiall | No problem - The pain of openstack is the million and three different ways to deploy it.. We should try and support the different patterns we can :) | 17:40 |
| Kiall | Okay - Moving on, last item... | 17:40 |
| Subbu_ | :) | 17:40 |
| Kiall | #topic Repository Rename | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | We need to ask infra to rename the repo from stackforge/designate etc to openstack/designate now that we're incubated.. | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | I know we at HP will have some pain and internal tooling to update when this happens, so, I wanted to check with others before raising it with infra... | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | I've put it on their agenda for next Tuesday - where we can try influence the schedule if necessary. | 17:42 |
| Kiall | Anyone have any preference? | 17:42 |
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| tsimmons | It'll break a few little things, everyone will have to change their git remotes. But it shouldn't be that bad. | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | tsimmons: I'll be a lot more painful than that for us sadly ;) | 17:43 |
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| tsimmons | Oh I don't doubt that. I would say whenever you think you'll be ready is when you should try and get it done. | 17:44 |
| rjrjr_ | i agree. we can mitigate the work on our end. | 17:44 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Sounds like nobody has any preference, great :) I'll attend the infra meet next week to figure things out.. Since it involves downtime for *all of gerrit* across openstack, they'll probably have to try and fit it in with other pending maintenance etc etc. Will let you know next week. | 17:45 |
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| rjrjr_ | +1 | 17:45 |
| Kiall | Once it's renamed - I plan on submitting out DevStack plugin into DevStack proper - which should help with "outsiders" experimenting et | 17:45 |
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| Kiall | our* | 17:45 |
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| Kiall | Okay... Moving on | 17:46 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:46 |
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| Kiall | Anyone have any off agenda topics? | 17:46 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:46 |
| mugsie | are people happy with the template I upoloaded for the specs repo? | 17:46 |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100336/ | 17:46 |
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| rjrjr_ | i haven't had a chance to look at it. | 17:47 |
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| mugsie | if so, can we get it merged to help the next people whp have to write specs | 17:47 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:47 |
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| tsimmons | I thought it was good. We can always edit if someone comes up with some new fanciness. | 17:47 |
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| Kiall | tsimmons: exactly, it's not set in stone | 17:47 |
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| mugsie | yup | 17:48 |
| betsy | I liked it | 17:48 |
| Kiall | betsy / myself have +2'd it - unless people object .. I'll +A tomorrow. | 17:48 |
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| Kiall | #action kiall Assuming no -1's, +A #100336 | 17:48 |
| ekarlso | Oh, I have a fun one | 17:49 |
| ekarlso | Kickout migrate to alembic as was mentioned in the incubation meeting | 17:49 |
| rjrjr_ | can we start dividing up the server pool work? | 17:49 |
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| tsimmons | mugsie: I was wondering what was going on with the per tenant options work? That looked cool. | 17:50 |
| Kiall | ekarlso: I think, if we do that, it should be phased a little :) once your oslo.db switch patch lands, we can move over to the oslo.db migration code @ https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/tree/master/oslo/db/sqlalchemy/migration_cli | 17:50 |
| Kiall | then, that supports sqla-migrate and alembic, so possibly make the move after that. | 17:50 |
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| mugsie | tsimmons, waiting for objects, and validations on objects | 17:51 |
| Kiall | tsimmons: I think lack of reviews :) | 17:51 |
| Kiall | (I know I haven't - apologies!) | 17:51 |
| ekarlso | Kiall: that's already done in the patch for o.db | 17:51 |
| ekarlso | :) | 17:51 |
| Kiall | Oh - I missed that. | 17:51 |
| tsimmons | mugsie: Cool. | 17:51 |
| tsimmons | Yeah we have a lot of stuff open right now. | 17:52 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: I *think* the pools stuff was blocked on mDNS, which is finally making progress | 17:52 |
| Kiall | I could be wrong - It's been a few weeks since I've given pools some thought. | 17:53 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: ^ ? | 17:53 |
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| mugsie | yea - | 17:54 |
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| mugsie | still very much blocked by mdns | 17:54 |
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| rjrjr_ | k | 17:54 |
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| Kiall | eankutse you were working on the mdns-designate-mdns-functional BP, much progress? I think that's the main one actually blocking pools | 17:55 |
| eankutse | Kiall: this will be notify | 17:55 |
| eankutse | and axfr | 17:55 |
| eankutse | and soa | 17:55 |
| eankutse | vinod is woking on the Notify | 17:55 |
| eankutse | axfr/soa is on hold for a while | 17:56 |
| rjrjr_ | could we start "assigning" the pools work in anticipation of mdns being ready? | 17:56 |
| eankutse | maybe a couple of weeks | 17:56 |
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| mugsie | rjrjr_, yes I think we can | 17:56 |
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| betsy | rjrjr_: could change by then, though | 17:56 |
| eankutse | mugsie: I believe pools can proceed somewhat now? | 17:57 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: we likely can :) mugsie - can you make sure the BPs are refreshed based on the summit sessions over the next few days, then we review early next week, and discuss next meet? | 17:57 |
| eankutse | right? | 17:57 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:57 |
| rjrjr_ | that would be terrific! | 17:57 |
| mugsie | I have the bp nearly done - just tryiogn to make sure i didnt forget anythiong | 17:57 |
| Kiall | #action mugsie to validate pools BPs are up to date with summit session notes and decisions before Monday, giving Monday/Tuesday as review time to people ;) | 17:57 |
| rjrjr_ | been churning on operational work and darshan and i are committing our time to server pools work. | 17:57 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: cool :) | 17:58 |
| Kiall | Okay - Times up | 17:58 |
| Kiall | Thanks all | 17:58 |
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| Kiall | #action kiall to put dividing up pools BPs on next agenda | 17:58 |
| jmcbride | TOPIC: Next mid cycle meetup? | 17:58 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 18 17:58:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-06-18-17.01.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-06-18-17.01.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-06-18-17.01.log.html | 17:58 |
| Kiall | jmcbride: lol - too late :) | 17:59 |
| Kiall | Move to #openstack-dns ? | 17:59 |
| jmcbride | dang! | 17:59 |
| jmcbride | yes, if you don't mind | 17:59 |
| Kiall | yep - rjrjr_ / betsy / vinod1 / mugsie / etc ^ | 17:59 |
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| SlickNik | thanks Kiall! | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | #startmeeting #trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 18 18:00:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: #trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_trove' | 18:00 |
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| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 18 18:01:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_trove/2014/_trove.2014-06-18-18.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_trove/2014/_trove.2014-06-18-18.00.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_trove/2014/_trove.2014-06-18-18.00.log.html | 18:01 |
| cp16net | 'ola | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | got an extra # in there | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | so let me try again :) | 18:01 |
| denis_makogon | lol, that was fast | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 18 18:01:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:01 | |
| grapex | o/ | 18:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | There, that's better | 18:01 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 18:01 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:01 |
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| cp16net | `o` | 18:02 |
| kevinconway | o/ | 18:02 |
| grapex | I wonder if that last meeting will affect attendance records. | 18:02 |
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| hub_cap | (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | lack of agenda at: | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:02 |
| denis_makogon | i've got one topic for open discussion | 18:03 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | go for it denis_makogon | 18:03 |
| denis_makogon | at the last meeting we've talked about gate issues | 18:03 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:03 |
| denis_makogon | for now i see two of them | 18:04 |
| glucas | o/ | 18:04 |
| annashe__ | o/ | 18:04 |
| denis_makogon | one is for configuration applience timeout | 18:04 |
| denis_makogon | 30 secs seems not enough | 18:04 |
| denis_makogon | and other thing is https://rdjenkins.dyndns.org/job/Trove-Gate/4200/console | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Do you know what the underlying problem is? | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | Seems like 30 secs should be enough to apply mysql conf settings, no? | 18:05 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, actully i don't know the underlying problem, but it happens too often | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | i cannot verify this bug on local env | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | same for second issue | 18:06 |
| vipul | o/ | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: The other link is the same configuration timeout issue. | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Do you have some bandwidth to try and figure out what the issue is and fix it? | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, it's for test_get_configuration_details_from_instance_validation | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: If you send me a key, I can get you temp access to a cloud-instance to repro the problem. | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | (i.e. pub-key) or I could use the one in LP | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, for the first issue - yes, can we just increase timeouts again? | 18:07 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, let me try one idea and i'll tell you if it works | 18:08 |
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| denis_makogon | guss i'm done | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: We've done it twice already, and it seems more like a band-aid. Can we at attempt to find out what the root cause may be? | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | okay, denis_makogon: let's chat about that after the meeting to hook you up with access. | 18:09 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, of course | 18:09 |
| cp16net | denis_makogon: chat with me later about this | 18:09 |
| denis_makogon | cp16net, ok | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | Thanks! | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | Anything else for Open discussion? | 18:10 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: go for it | 18:11 |
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| dougshelley66 | sorry i wasn't saying i had an ite | 18:12 |
| dougshelley66 | item | 18:12 |
| dougshelley66 | just signalling attendance :) | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | Oh, nvm :) | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 18 18:12:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-06-18-18.01.html | 18:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-06-18-18.01.txt | 18:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-06-18-18.01.log.html | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | Thanks guys! | 18:12 |
| hub_cap | :P | 18:12 |
| amrith | o/ | 18:13 |
| robertmyers | too late | 18:13 |
| amrith | the face that launched a thousand ships; she showed up and all the ships left ;) | 18:13 |
| robertmyers | lol | 18:13 |
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| amrith | hiya robertmyers ... | 18:13 |
| robertmyers | amrith: hello | 18:13 |
| amrith | do you have the scotch app for your PC? | 18:13 |
| amrith | I could send you a macallan 15 | 18:14 |
| robertmyers | ha no | 18:14 |
| robertmyers | nice | 18:14 |
| amrith | ok, next time we meet | 18:14 |
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| robertmyers | in Boston | 18:14 |
| robertmyers | August | 18:14 |
| amrith | done | 18:14 |
| robertmyers | sweet | 18:14 |
| amrith | oh, we're on the wrong room | 18:14 |
| amrith | s/on/in/ | 18:14 |
| robertmyers | yeah, the meeting is over, so we can say anything | 18:15 |
| robertmyers | shhhh | 18:15 |
| amrith | oh, it's all private now? | 18:15 |
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| amrith | cool | 18:15 |
| robertmyers | I think so | 18:15 |
| amrith | just you and I? | 18:15 |
| robertmyers | no | 18:15 |
| amrith | oh | 18:15 |
| amrith | ;) | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | :) | 18:16 |
| amrith | got to run. catch you both in boston | 18:16 |
| robertmyers | later | 18:16 |
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