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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 27 16:00:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | who's around for the oslo meeting today? | 16:00 |
| jecarey | hi | 16:01 |
| i159 | Hi! | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | our agenda: | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:01 |
| therve | There | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec, markmc, flaper87, dims, jd__ : ping? | 16:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 16:02 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | hi, all, let's get started | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| dhellmann | dhellmann clarify language about when to use _() vs. _LE() | 16:03 |
| salv-orlando | aloha! | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | I think I need to carry this one over to next week. There are a couple of doc changes for oslo.i18n up, but not this | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann clarify language about when to use _() vs. _LE() | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | Project liaisons review app-agnostic-logging-parameters: https://review.openstack.org/95281 | 16:03 |
| * flaper87 clicks | 16:04 | |
| dhellmann | that's merged now | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | Project liaisons review oslo-config-generator: https://review.openstack.org/100946 | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | that has some good reviews, but no core reviewers :-) | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | #action review oslo-config-generator spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100946/ | 16:04 |
| bknudson | the tests will amaze you | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | #undo | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | #action review oslo config generator patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100946/ | 16:05 |
| jd__ | pong | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | that's the implementation, not the spec | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | I think that's it for old business; did I miss anything? | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Some Oslo hacking at Sprints/ParisJuno2014 | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Some Oslo hacking at Sprints/ParisJuno2014 (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:06 | |
| dhellmann | jd__, do you want to say anything about the sprints? | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/ParisJuno2014 | 16:06 |
| * flaper87 confirms his presence | 16:06 | |
| dhellmann | I'm not going to be able to make it, unfortunately, but I will be there in spirit and on irc | 16:07 |
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| jd__ | nothing special to say, I'll see with markmc what we'll do :) | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | it looks like the oslo.messaging crew, mostly, so maybe you guys can look at that amqp 1.0 spec and patchset? | 16:08 |
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| jd__ | sure | 16:08 |
| jd__ | sileht won't be there unfortunately :( | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | ah | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | if anyone else is going, please add your name to the wiki page | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:09 | |
| dhellmann | how are things going this week liaisons? | 16:09 |
| bknudson | good | 16:09 |
| jd__ | nothing to declare | 16:09 |
| therve | oslo.messaging merged in heat finally | 16:09 |
| bknudson | looks like there was a oslo.config released with the config fixture so I should be able to propose a patch to use it | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | \o/ | 16:10 |
| bknudson | not sure if requirements was updated | 16:10 |
| i159 | some good patches for db still in progress, good progress | 16:10 |
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| zzzeek | hello | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: the requirements list should only have a lower bound for that, so you ought to be able to start using it and propose an update at the same time | 16:10 |
| flaper87 | therve: +1 w0000000000000t | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | glance reported some issues with unicode/byte string conflicts this week, did any other projects run into that problem? | 16:11 |
| therve | I've seen some weird stuff, but couldn't reproduce reliably | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038795.html | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | ok, keep an eye out therve and let us know | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | #topic Adoption status | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adoption status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:12 | |
| jd__ | so I can push forward the RPC removal in the incubator? | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | #undo | 16:12 |
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| bnemec | Is trove on oslo.messaging yet? | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | jd__: we had said we would wait to the end of the cycle | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | good question, bnemec | 16:13 |
| jd__ | ok | 16:13 |
| therve | bnemec, Apparently not | 16:13 |
| bnemec | :-( | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | Trove is on its way | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | there's a patch proposed upstream already | 16:14 |
| * flaper87 gets the link | 16:14 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94484/ | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | thanks, flaper87 | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | it'll likely be merged before j-2 is cut | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:15 |
| bnemec | That's the last one using the old rpc module now, right? | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | we should probably wait until at least j3, in case projects end up with issues, but we will definitely remove that code from the incubator at the end of this cycle | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | it's the last integrated project, yes | 16:15 |
| bnemec | Nice | 16:16 |
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| bnemec | Now I hear it's time for a from-scratch rewrite of oslo.messaging. ;-) | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #topic Spec status | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| dhellmann | #info merged config filter - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97228/ | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #info merged oslo.serialization - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97315/ | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #info merged remove context adapter - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95870/ | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #info merged semver support in pbr - https://review.openstack.org/96608 | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #info merged ChainingRegExpFilter for rootwrap - https://review.openstack.org/98536 | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | merged several more specs this week | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | bnemec, your concurrency spec is probably ready to go minus one comment and a rebase so it will merge cleanly | 16:17 |
| bnemec | Yeah, been meaning to follow up on that. | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | #info merged app-agnostic-logging-parameters - https://review.openstack.org/95281 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | #info updated oslo.log spec to include context and local - https://review.openstack.org/102275 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | does anyone have any issues with specs they want to raise? | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on then | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.i18n graduation status | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.i18n graduation status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:20 | |
| dhellmann | I got distracted with some issues blocking pbr changes this week, so I didn't make the progress I was hoping to make. | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | I do have some minor API changes to make, so we can say "from oslo import i18n" instead of "from oslo.i18n import gettextutils", but after that I am going to try to tag a first release next week | 16:21 |
| flaper87 | w0000t | 16:21 |
| flaper87 | that sounds great to me! | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | the docs for the library are linked from the main project doc list now | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html | 16:21 |
| bknudson | too bad I don't have i159 proposing a change to use oslo.i18n in keystone ... might have to do it myself | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: I *think* the documentation explains it in a way that will make it fairly simple. Please let me know if you run into trouble. | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.utils graduation status | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.utils graduation status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:23 | |
| dhellmann | dims has a repo up for review | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | #link https://github.com/dims/oslo.utils | 16:23 |
| bknudson | maybe I can get started on it already. just have to figure out how to install it. | 16:23 |
| i159 | bknudson: hmm, propably I don't know what shoul I do. Should I? | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: you should be able to add it to a virtualenv right from source, just to play with it | 16:23 |
| bknudson | i159: don't worry about it if you don't have time. | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | cores, please look over that repository and provide feedback | 16:24 |
| bknudson | although it's a lot easier if I can +2 it. | 16:24 |
| i159 | bknudson: ok | 16:24 |
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| dhellmann | remember, if we can save changes for after the import that lets us review them and we can all contribute, so let's shoot for that in most cases | 16:24 |
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| dhellmann | #topic oslo.concurrency graduation status | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.concurrency graduation status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:25 | |
| bknudson | there's probably places that keystone could use oslo.utils | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | #undo | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: we've added a few more modules to that one since the original plan was published, so there's a good chance that's true | 16:26 |
| bknudson | we've got them in openstack.common | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.concurrency graduation status | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.concurrency graduation status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:26 | |
| dhellmann | #undo | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | cool | 16:26 |
| bknudson | that was it | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | #topic oslo.concurrency graduation status | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.concurrency graduation status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:27 | |
| dhellmann | I left comments on this one about a dependency issue, but it looks like the data I was reviewing was wrong or old, so it just needs a rebase I think | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | oh, hang on, no, that was the oslo.vmware thing | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | this is the one that is really a problem | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | the lockutils module relies on the fileutils module, which is meant to go into oslo.io which is not on our graduation list for this cycle | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | should we add it, use a copy of fileutils in oslo.concurrency, or solve it some other way? | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: I'm inclined to just copy it from the incubator for now, what do you think? | 16:28 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Yeah, that sounds good to me. | 16:28 |
| bnemec | It's going to be dependency nightmare to try to make sure all of the libs graduate along with every single dep. | 16:28 |
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| dhellmann | ok, would you make a note of that in the spec? we'll want a bug to remember to fix it next cycle, too | 16:28 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, it took me ages to build that graph last cycle and then I went and prioritized concurrency over io :-/ | 16:29 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Yep, will do. | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | #topic release review | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:29 | |
| dhellmann | markmc released oslo.messaging this week | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | I'm planning a pbr release monday | 16:30 |
| * dhellmann doesn't like to release code on fridays | 16:30 | |
| dhellmann | is anything else ready? oslo.db? | 16:30 |
| bknudson | i thought pbr was a beverage | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | I know we had that file encoding issue in the fake driver in oslo.messaging, so I'll talk to mark about another release | 16:30 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann talk to markmc about releasing file encoding fix in fake driver in oslo.messaging | 16:31 |
| i159 | I'm sorry, I don't know. But it seems to me not. | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | i159: ok, that's not a problem, we just want to give people notice when we know we are planning releases | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: mordred came up with that name, iirc | 16:31 |
| * dhellmann crosses his fingers for an oslo.i18n release next week too | 16:32 | |
| i159 | dhellmann: viktors and rpodolyaka know much more about releases | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | i159: ok, I'm sure they would have said something if they were ready :-) | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | #topic review priorities for this week | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review priorities for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:32 | |
| dhellmann | db migration test issues (devananda) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1327397 fixed in nova and ironic, not oslo. | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1328997 partial-fix in nova. incorrectly closed in oslo.db. | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | both should be fixed by the “opportunistic migration tests” fix: | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93424/ | 16:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1327397 in oslo "No notice given when db migrations are not run due to missing engine" [High,In progress] | 16:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328997 in nova "Unit test failure: openstack_citest" is being accessed by other users\nDETAIL: There are 1 other session(s) using the database." [Critical,In progress] | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | these are carried over from last week | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.utils repo mentioned earlier | 16:33 |
| mordred | what did I do? | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | you named pbr, right? | 16:33 |
| mordred | oh. | 16:33 |
| mordred | yes | 16:33 |
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| zzzeek | hm i thought i reviewed this but apparently i am wrong | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | I know that db test issue bit the ironic folks, and we expect it might be hiding issues in other projects, too | 16:34 |
| i159 | dhellmann: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93424/ still in progress, but pretty close to be merged | 16:34 |
| zzzeek | so, fixing these bugs in ironic/nova by implementing in oslo.db, are ironic/nova using this aspect of oslo.db yet? | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: I think they've worked around it in their own code base for now | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | we want to fix it in oslo.db so when they migrate it doesn't re-introduce the problem | 16:35 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: OK, so here we’re looking at setting up a best practice pattern in oslo.db and that’s all ? | 16:35 |
| zzzeek | ok | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | i159: is that your understanding, too? | 16:35 |
| zzzeek | do you guys monkeypatch oslo.db into nova to integration test it? | 16:35 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: no, we're not doing anything like that | 16:36 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: OK so, does that mean it’s not clear if the fix as implemented in oslo.db actually works in nova? | 16:36 |
| zzzeek | or do we just test enough in oslo.db that we are confident | 16:36 |
| i159 | dhellmann: yes, sure. btw, 93424 had been tested in several projects by victors, it works good | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | we should be able to tell if it's working when we move nova over and run the tests | 16:37 |
| zzzeek | im asking somewaht selfishly as i am still mystified as to what code I should be actually hacking on | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | ok, so viktors has tested it with oslo.db in nova | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: oslo.db is the future, though adoption might not be finished until the end of K | 16:37 |
| i159 | dhellmann: yes, as I know | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | i159: thanks | 16:38 |
| therve | dhellmann, Should we start looking at migrating to oslo.db? | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | therve: yes, there is a release out there and you should at least be experimenting with it | 16:38 |
| therve | OK cool | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | i159: does the db team feel oslo.db is "ready" for real use? | 16:38 |
| i159 | therve: this work alredy in progress in several projects | 16:39 |
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| therve | I haven't seen anything yet in Heat, will ask around | 16:39 |
| i159 | dhellmann: yes, I thik issues is possible, but yes | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | i159: ok, good, I didn't want to say that too soon :-) | 16:39 |
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| i159 | therve: I don't think that Heat on it | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | therve: we will have a 1.0 of oslo.db for juno, and at the end of k we will remove the db code from the incubator (following our established deprecation policy) | 16:40 |
| therve | dhellmann, Sounds good | 16:40 |
| * zzzeek scratches head, “k” ? | 16:41 | |
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| dhellmann | the next release hasn't been named, but it will start with k | 16:41 |
| zzzeek | deep | 16:41 |
| zzzeek | KRACKEN | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | we're in juno now | 16:41 |
| zzzeek | as in “release the" | 16:41 |
| zzzeek | oh its the alphabett…….oooohhhhhh | 16:41 |
| bknudson | I think Krull to keep with the bad movie theme | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | there's a list of names starting with k related to paris and france in general -- watch for the poll on the -dev list | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:42 |
| zzzeek | havana icehouse juno OHHHHHH | 16:42 |
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| armax | enikanorov_: ping | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | we pick a name having to do with the geography of the area where we have the summit | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | armax: we're in a meeting here, can you go to #openstack-dev? | 16:43 |
| armax | dhellmann: sorry my bad, wrong window :) | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | armax: no problem! :-) | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:43 |
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| dhellmann | that's all I had for the formal agenda, does anyone have anything else to bring up? | 16:43 |
| zzzeek | so I was talking to some nova folks yestederday, and this issue of “we want to remove the SQLAclehym ORM” came up again | 16:44 |
| zzzeek | so I really want to target the performance problems theyre having | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | that sounds like good work | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | some of it should probably happen right in nova, I would imagine | 16:44 |
| zzzeek | I think ORM use patterns can be mostly maintained if we just iron out the parts they dont like, so far it seems like the reliance on session.flush() when they just need to updaet a row is a big one | 16:44 |
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| zzzeek | well ive noted from the start the object.save() method in oslo.db, and nova uses that | 16:45 |
| salv-orlando | zzzeek: I’m actually surprised I have not yet seen a openstack ORM library project announcement... | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:45 |
| zzzeek | i can make that much much faster by bypassing the unit of worok | 16:45 |
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| dhellmann | salv-orlando: oslo.db will *not* be an ORM | 16:45 |
| zzzeek | i dont think nova needs the UOW very much so we shoudl just bypass it | 16:45 |
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| zzzeek | but i need to know, is that the main perf problem, or is object fetching hitting htem as well? they make heavy use of relationship() and replacing the ORM is not going to be very easy | 16:46 |
| salv-orlando | dhellmann: I know that. I hope that we’ll never see an openstack ORM project. | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: are those changes in nova's use of sqla, or is there anything you want to put in oslo.db to make that easier across all of the projects | 16:46 |
| i159 | can we solve it just move Nova on Oslo.db? | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | salv-orlando: :-) | 16:46 |
| morganfainberg | zzzeek, i think keystone can benefit form this as well. I'll keep an eye on changes you're making, what has to be updated in nova, and see if we can leverage it as well | 16:46 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: I want oslo.db to have the patterns that nova needs for high performance, then everyone can use them | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: ok, that sounds like a good plan | 16:46 |
| zzzeek | but i need to learn what the bottlenecks are, so far im just guessing | 16:46 |
| zzzeek | and to that end….who / how should i ask, im told comstud is one such person | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: boris-42 has done some interesting profiling work with rally, you should talk to him about that | 16:47 |
| zzzeek | ok | 16:47 |
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| dhellmann | I'm not sure boris-42 is a nova internals expert, but he has some useful tools and output to share | 16:47 |
| bnemec | comstud from the Nova team was driving a lot of the db stuff in the past. | 16:47 |
| zzzeek | OK my other question, is status of Alembic vs. SQLalchemy migrate, is it the goal of oslo.db to standardize on alembic? | 16:47 |
| bnemec | Don't know if that's still the case though. | 16:47 |
| i159 | zzzeek: can you tell us what are we need in oslo.db for perfomance increasing? | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: yes | 16:47 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, zzzeek, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102362/ adding the profiler (not just rally stuff) to global reqs | 16:48 |
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| zzzeek | i159: I need to know when they say “the orm is too slow”, what are the operations theyre doing that need to be faster, so i can come upw ith alternate approaches | 16:48 |
| salv-orlando | dhellmamm: that’s also a requirement for neutron’s full adoption of oslo.db | 16:48 |
| bknudson | hard to believe that some python code would cause a performance problem for db ... isn't it the query that takes forever? | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: +2 | 16:48 |
| bknudson | or are we not able to write a decent query using sqlalchemy orm? | 16:48 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: Got some pushback on alembic from nova peeps as well yesteday, I’m going to write up what alembic definitely needs | 16:48 |
| therve | bknudson, When you load thousand of rows, not necessarily | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | salv-orlando: we're supporting both now, I thought? | 16:49 |
| i159 | zzzeek: ping us (me, rpodolyaka, viktors) when you will know what are we need, please | 16:49 |
| bknudson | therve: y, I can see that being a lot of work | 16:49 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, there is a lot of overhead when you do a lot of object conversions | 16:49 |
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| zzzeek | bknudson: objecvt fetching is very slow beacuse of the bookkeeping that SQLAclhemy does, which is towards the goal of being able to manipulate and manage those objects. when those features arent needed, the overhead is wasteful | 16:49 |
| salv-orlando | I spoke with jlibosva on monday - he said alembic support was still experiemntal in oslo.db. Or did I not get that right? | 16:49 |
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| dhellmann | i159: can you clarify the status of alembic in oslo.db? | 16:49 |
| salv-orlando | not suro if it was jlibosva or rpodolyaka actuall | 16:50 |
| i159 | dhellmann: I'm testing it on Ironic just now | 16:50 |
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| zzzeek | i159: the alembic discussion is ongoing at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102545/ | 16:50 |
| bnemec | salv-orlando: Is Neutron not using the oslo-incubator db code for its migrations now? oslo.db shouldn't be any more experimental than that was. | 16:50 |
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| dhellmann | at one point neutron was using alembic but skipping some migrations, right? do you still need that? | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | (the ability to skip) | 16:51 |
| salv-orlando | bnemec: neutron has its own code for alembic migrations. We wrote that for the Grizzly release. I will see how much is that different from oslo-incubator | 16:51 |
| i159 | dhellmann zzzeek: I mean this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99965 | 16:51 |
| salv-orlando | dhellmann: we’re working on removing the ability to skip | 16:51 |
| salv-orlando | that’s a J-2 target | 16:52 |
| morganfainberg | zzzeek, i want to bug you about the object overhead stuff outside this meeitng if you dont mind me picking your brain a little | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | salv-orlando: ok, good | 16:52 |
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| zzzeek | morganfainberg: please do | 16:52 |
| zzzeek | i159: i think this patch looked fine i more had questions about it | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: it would be good to see some detailed examples of patterns we're using that may cause slowdowns, when you have that info will you post to the mailing list? | 16:52 |
| i159 | zzzeek: feel free to ask in comments or irc | 16:53 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: I was thinking I can illustrate my proposal for a fast save() operation pretty easily | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: sounds good | 16:53 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: as far as object fetching, that is more murky as it interacts with that whole “values dicitonary” thing I see in nova and also ive seen some datatype mismatches there | 16:53 |
| zzzeek | i159: was looking for you yesterday :) | 16:54 |
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| i159 | zzzeek: I'm in +2:00 GMT, could be difficult to meet | 16:54 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: when I’m approaching SQLAclhemy patterns here what SQLA version are we targeting, e.g. how long do the 0.8.x versions have to be supported? | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | i159, zzzeek : use the mailing list, if that works better than irc | 16:55 |
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| i159 | dhellmann: ok | 16:55 |
| zzzeek | bcause i can add things to SQLAclhemy easily but it seems like i have to come up with 0.8 workarounds for them to be feasible | 16:55 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: we have "SQLAlchemy>=0.7.8,!=0.9.5,<=0.9.99" right now | 16:55 |
| zzzeek | heh | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | I suspect that lower bound is due to a distro such as RHEL | 16:56 |
| zzzeek | the version-that-shall-not-be-named | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | so the thing to do is check with the distro folks about their plans for their next long-term-support versions | 16:56 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: im pretty sure the 0.7 thing can be dropped from what ive heard | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | most of the distros are building separate repositories with versions for running openstack on their long-term releases, so we may be able to bump up but we should run it past them | 16:57 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: so as I think we discussed earlier, my idea is to have new SQLA features and then workarounds for older versions that make use of semi-private APIs that I can guarantee are frozen | 16:57 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: either ttx or the infra team should be able to help you find the reps you need to talk to for verification | 16:57 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: yes, I remember that conversation, and that's still OK as long as we clearly document it in our code | 16:58 |
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| dhellmann | we should put code like that in oslo.db, where it can be removed or simplified later on when we update sqla versions again | 16:59 |
| zzzeek | yes | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | ok, we're about out of time | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | thank you all, this was a good meeting! | 16:59 |
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| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 27 16:59:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| beekneemech | Happy Friday everyone! | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-27-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-27-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-06-27-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| i159 | Buy! | 17:00 |
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