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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting Nova | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 26 14:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:00 |
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| erw | o/ | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | hows around today then? | 14:00 |
| bauzas | o/ | 14:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:00 |
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| mriedem | hi | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Juno-2 is 24th July | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno-2 is 24th July (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:00 | |
| oomichi | hi | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | so lets get going, loads on the agenda today | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | first thanks for the spec review push | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | made a good dent, still not home and dry, bug a good dent is better than nothing | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038475.html | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there was much discussion on the proposed nova-spec freeze | 14:01 |
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| bauzas | sorry, missed the agenda, do you have one for today? :) | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: same place as always: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, any thoughts on the freeze | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think people are happy with us slowing down what goes into Juno right? | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | blueprint proposal freeze date of 2nd July | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | right | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, 3rd | 14:03 |
| sgordon | the main source of disagreement | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | Jul 10 (-8): Spec approval freeze | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the K spec stuff | 14:03 |
| sgordon | was whether to close spec review for K off | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I vote we just open K on Jul 10 (-8): Spec approval freeze | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | and we talk more at the mid cycle summit | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | that seems OK with everyone? | 14:03 |
| dansmith | really? | 14:03 |
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| dansmith | open K already? | 14:03 |
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| alaski | I don't think we can approve anything for K, right? | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | we hold off approve till after the midcycle | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | we may just −2 everything after the midcycle | 14:04 |
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| dansmith | why would we approve things for K even as early as after the meetup? | 14:04 |
| * dansmith is confused | 14:04 | |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I don't think we should, but others seemed to disagree, so I figure we just delay approves till after the meet up at the earliest | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, wasn't very clera | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | clear^ | 14:05 |
| dansmith | man, I'm a huge -2 on that | 14:05 |
| alaski | me too | 14:05 |
| sgordon | did anyone actually want to approve them? | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | on what, opening it at all? | 14:05 |
| sgordon | i thought it was just people wanting to be able to submit | 14:05 |
| mriedem | i thought part of the point of the freeze was to avoid spec review distractions? | 14:06 |
| dansmith | well, I suppose anyone can submit anything they want, but it's just going to muddy the waters, stats-wise and dashboard-wise | 14:06 |
| mriedem | opneing it up for K defeats that | 14:06 |
| dansmith | right, that will massively increase distraction | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: OK, so we keep K closed till the midcylce where we decide what to do I guess? | 14:06 |
| mriedem | dansmith: when you get a chance, can you review my spec for L? thanks! | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | (I was hoping phil was here to argue the other side) | 14:06 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: as long as at the meetup we decide to punt until much later :P | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: right, thats what I am hoping for | 14:07 |
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| dansmith | I should go catch up on that thread I guess | 14:07 |
| alaski | patches can still be submitted, and if people want to review them they can. But there's not going to be any real attention from cores/drivers | 14:07 |
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| n0ano | so that means we freeze new specs after 7/3 and don't accept new ones until when? | 14:07 |
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| dansmith | alaski: well, like I said anyone can submit whatever they want, but I think we should try to discourage it | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: we haven't decided when, we proposed Sep 25 (+3): RC 1 build expected, K spec review approvals start | 14:08 |
| dansmith | alaski: although, I think maybe we can filter by path with new gerrit | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | but there was not really agreement on that | 14:08 |
| dansmith | alaski: so maybe we can create a dashboard that is only J thing and then it's not as much of an issue, I dunno | 14:08 |
| n0ano | that's an awful long hiatus on specs | 14:08 |
| dansmith | but ffs, lets at least wait and discuss at the meetup :) | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: oh thats a good idea possibly... | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we are probably freezing Juno though in a few weeks | 14:09 |
| alaski | dansmith: sure. we should definitely punt unti the meetup | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | please moan on the ML if you don't want that | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets not argue all day on this | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:09 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so not much info here | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets cover gate bugs in the gate bit... | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Gate | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:10 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | right... | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | do people want to talk about anything here? | 14:11 |
| mriedem | the live snapshot workaround should be going through the gate now | 14:11 |
| dansmith | I think the recent major problem is worked around | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102643/ | 14:11 |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:11 |
| mriedem | i posted a few bugs | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | two are image related, so could be dupes now | 14:11 |
| mriedem | looking at logstash they spike at the same time | 14:11 |
| mriedem | the other is the ssh timeout bug we've had for awhile | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, just wanted to say, we think we have that sorted now, hopefully | 14:11 |
| mriedem | theory is still a boto leak in network resources | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: cool fire away | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | do people need help on that? | 14:11 |
| mriedem | there is a link with a series of ec2 reviews that we should focus on | 14:12 |
| mriedem | basically there are people working on upstreaming ec2 fixes and want to submit better tempest tests for ec2, but they need the nova bugs fixed first | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: did you say this might be a dup? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1320617 | 14:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1320617 in nova "[Image] failed to reach ACTIVE status within the required time (196 s). Current status: SAVING" [Undecided,New] | 14:12 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yup | 14:12 |
| mriedem | not sure though, haven't dug into the fails on that one in awhile | 14:12 |
| mriedem | but the logstash trends were similar after the move to trusty | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so help welcome there I guess | 14:13 |
| mriedem | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | looks like you are digging into this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1298472 | 14:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1298472 in tempest "SSHTimeout in tempest scenario tests using nova-network" [Critical,Fix committed] | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, any more for any more on this? | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | nope | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help gate is not a happy bunny some more help digging would be good | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Review status | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review status (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:14 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | so this could be a section we drop, but I wanted to look at our review queue | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link nova-specs queue http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-specs-openreviews.html | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | wait times have been going quite high, so we need to look at bit further down the list | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I have started clicking abandon on patches | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | turns out that bot isn't turned on any more, after gerrit upgrade | 14:15 |
| mriedem | right | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | we might want to turn that back on at some point... | 14:15 |
| mriedem | would be nice to turn that on again.....or auto-WIP | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but the list in the stats is really good, and I forgot about that | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: hmm, i do like that idea, seems kinder | 14:16 |
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| dansmith | I'd rather auto-abandon | 14:16 |
| dansmith | auto-wip just means we have a long tail, when we know what it really means | 14:16 |
| mriedem | yeah, auto-abandon is better for bugs | 14:16 |
| dansmith | on the spec review stats, | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: it is cleaner… and we used to do that | 14:16 |
| dansmith | if you look at it, there is actually a relatively small set that have been waiting longer than three days | 14:16 |
| dansmith | like six out of 106 open reviews | 14:17 |
| dansmith | I think that's pretty damned good | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link nova stats http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/nova-openreviews.html | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | so... | 14:17 |
| dansmith | granted, we just had a review day, but.. I'm not too concerned | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | Total Open Reviews: 631 | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | Waiting on Submitter: 387 | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | Waiting on Reviewer: 244 | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its not the worst its been | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | seems I got a bit laggy for a bit there | 14:18 |
| * mriedem isn't too concerned honestly | 14:18 | |
| johnthetubaguy | the waiting on submitter is probably really high due to the lack of auto-abandon | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well waiting 134 days since last −1 or −2 seems bad, but yeah, generally not too bad overall | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | moving on… unless there are more ideas | 14:19 |
| mriedem | if you're waiting 6 months for a response, and it's important, | 14:19 |
| mriedem | go to IRC :) | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | well… that is fair | 14:19 |
| mriedem | idk, be more active people | 14:19 |
| dansmith | for serious.. | 14:19 |
| dansmith | next... | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Sub team reports | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sub team reports (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:20 | |
| johnthetubaguy | (yeah, thats a little pointless in that section , will try improve that one...) | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | so... | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure we have everyone here, so hands up to talk? | 14:20 |
| erw | Docker - we’re working on Cinder support | 14:20 |
| bauzas | o/ | 14:20 |
| * n0ano gantt | 14:20 | |
| johnthetubaguy | erw: you were first, any more news? | 14:21 |
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| erw | slower and funzo have it working, but we need upstream patches in docker itself | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, well sounds like a good step forwards, thanks for the update | 14:21 |
| erw | a spec is incoming for merging back in | 14:21 |
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| erw | and we’re working on the the CI | 14:21 |
| erw | that’s it | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | erw: that could well get pushed to K at this point, as a heads up, but maybe we will see people at the mid cycle meet up | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: n0ano: scheduler stuff? | 14:22 |
| dansmith | yeah, seems most likely for K to me | 14:22 |
| funzo | our intent was to make the july 2 spec deadline for Nova | 14:22 |
| erw | johnthetubaguy: acknowledged. I’m okay with that, personally - although I know there are users that would prefer otherwise. | 14:22 |
| n0ano | mostly work in progress, bauzas can give more details if you want | 14:22 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, good progress on the scheduler client so far | 14:22 |
| funzo | and if it didn't get in for Juno, we would be in good shape for K | 14:23 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: we're still waiting reviews for a crucial spec | 14:23 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/89893 | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | erw: funzo: I think ironic should be our goal in Juno, so probably best to be sure of being ready on day 1 of K | 14:23 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: implementation drafts began re: 89893 | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: its in my browser, I will take look | 14:24 |
| erw | anyway - we can offline that conversation. | 14:24 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | erw: sure, sounds good :) | 14:24 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: and as you know, for the records, https://review.openstack.org/82778 is ready for reviewing | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: :) | 14:24 |
| bauzas | that's it for me | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: thanks | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more sub team stuff? | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ironic, NFV, etc? | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | no update from the XenAPI land really | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open discussion | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so first topic, unit tests to trusty only | 14:25 |
| dansmith | anyone opposed to that? | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyone want to talk to that? | 14:26 |
| dansmith | seems like it should be all good at this point | 14:26 |
| dansmith | tempest/devstack not so much, | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, seems sound for unit tests | 14:26 |
| dansmith | but infra would like to stop running unit tests on precise, | 14:26 |
| dansmith | and I think that seems fine | 14:26 |
| dansmith | mriedem: any concerns? | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | unit tests shouldn't make much of a difference on trusty right? | 14:26 |
| mriedem | mostly py27 | 14:27 |
| mriedem | there are libvirt tests that use a real connection | 14:27 |
| dansmith | but they seem to be working, according to clarkb | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was going to ask, anyone remember finding bugs by running unit tests on two distros | 14:27 |
| mriedem | no major concerns from me, if we hit racy things in the libvirt driver unit tests we'd have to work those out anyway | 14:27 |
| mriedem | like yesterday | 14:27 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: sometimes, but probably not worth the cost of duplicate tests | 14:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info no objections to running unit tests on trusty only in the meeting | 14:27 |
| dansmith | okay, well, I'll give the green light then | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, that seems fair | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | nova network APIs: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037707.html | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | although you probably covered that last time | 14:28 |
| dansmith | my comment to that is "patches accepted" | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | request for rbd patch reviews | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: right, I think one should be admin only, the other not | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, adding a barbican dependency: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94370/ | 14:29 |
| dansmith | barbican has been discussed, and I think we're okay with it for an optional feature | 14:30 |
| dansmith | dogfooding goals, and all | 14:30 |
| dansmith | right? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was going to say, that sounds right | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | as long as its optional, cools | 14:30 |
| dansmith | I know mikal and russellb are on board at least | 14:30 |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I suspect that got left on the agenda | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, so we are done in 30mins on the agenda | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more topics from people? | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, one more from me | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | please register for the mid cycle meet up if you are going | 14:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link please register https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/openstack-nova-juno-mid-cycle-developer-meetup-tickets-11878128803 | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, tumbleweed goes past | 14:32 |
| sgordon | johnthetubaguy, i missed my queue! | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | so thanks all | 14:32 |
| stpierre | johnthetubaguy: you suggested bringing up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97909/ in the meeting, although i wasn't sure what specifically you had in mind to discuss. sounds like you maybe wanted a broader discussion | 14:32 |
| sgordon | on the NFV side we created a review dash: http://bit.ly/1iFdldx | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | sgordon: fire away | 14:32 |
| sgordon | working on automating regeneration of it on a regular basis but the list is up to date as of yesterday | 14:32 |
| sgordon | just if people are interested in following which proposals are believed to relate to that area | 14:32 |
| bauzas | sgordon: well the list is up to date until the wiki page is updated :) | 14:33 |
| sgordon | bauzas, right :) | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK thanks good to know | 14:33 |
| bauzas | sgordon: so if we know the page has changed I can run the script by hand | 14:33 |
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| sgordon | bauzas, it hasn't - i set notifications on that page | 14:33 |
| bauzas | sgordon: cool, will do too | 14:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | stpierre: so, its a nova-network feature, I am just thinking you should try and follow neturon's lead rather than add something different if possible | 14:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | stpierre: was curious what you where thinking about that comment? does that sound OK? | 14:34 |
| * johnthetubaguy is thinking he is only half connected to IRC at this point... | 14:35 | |
| stpierre | yeah, i looked into it a bit and i looks like neutron has support for arbitrary dhcp options on a per-port basis, which obviously isn't something we can do in nova | 14:35 |
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| stpierre | it also looks like the options are set in the database rather than in the config, which is definitely something we can do if we decide that we want per-network dnsmasq options instead of/in addition to global dnsmasq options | 14:35 |
| stpierre | so neutron is similar but different, for good reasons | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: curious about your thoughts here, I kinda feel like we want something in neutron that matches it first, before we take it in nova? | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | but maybe thats too inflexible | 14:36 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I'll take a look | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: thanks | 14:36 |
| stpierre | ty both | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | stpierre: cool, we will try get back to you on that one | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | awesome, so we are all done now I guess | 14:37 |
| dansmith | +1 | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | you get 20 mins back of your day, with any luck... | 14:37 |
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| leifz | awesome | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:37 |
| stpierre | i think this may just need to be a point of discontinuity between neutron and nova because of their different architectures and whatnot, but i'll let the experts decide :) | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 26 14:37:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-06-26-14.00.html | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-06-26-14.00.txt | 14:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-06-26-14.00.log.html | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | stpierre: I was thinking about something like, default DHCP options for each neutron port, or something, which they might already do | 14:38 |
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| stpierre | hrm, i didn't see anything like that, but let me look into it a bit | 14:39 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 26 15:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi, everyone | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello | 15:00 |
| ameade | o/ | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | wow not many people here today | 15:00 |
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| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | xyang? | 15:01 |
| csaba | hi | 15:01 |
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| yportnova | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hey! | 15:01 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:01 |
| deepakcs | hi all | 15:02 |
| bswartz | xyang1: do you have any updates on the status of the EMC driver? | 15:02 |
| bswartz | it's been some time since we discussed it | 15:02 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: still waiting for legal:( | 15:02 |
| bswartz | xyang1: is there a date when we can expect an answer by? | 15:03 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: when are you going to submit incubation request? | 15:03 |
| bswartz | xyang1: real soon now -- there are no blockers | 15:03 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:03 |
| bswartz | in fact waiting for the EMC driver is the biggest thing holding us back | 15:03 |
| bswartz | although it won't actually hold us back | 15:03 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: so we initially thought since manila is new, it can be handled differently from cinder, however, we still have to go thru the whole process | 15:04 |
| bswartz | can you give us an idea? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | another week or 2? months? | 15:04 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: another month, probably | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | could you commit to a date? like end of july? | 15:05 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: are you actually waiting for EMC driver before making incubation request? | 15:05 |
| bswartz | or is that not possible | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: whether we wait or not depends on how long we have to wait | 15:05 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: Let me check with legal and get back to you on that | 15:05 |
| bswartz | okay thanks | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | I think we would be okay without it, but we would be better with it | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | that's the current thinking | 15:06 |
| bswartz | okay onto agenda items | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dev status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:06 | |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:06 |
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| vponomaryov | 1) Share server details | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/implement-backend-details-in-drivers | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | Generic driver was updated. | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | Cmode driver update: #link https://review.openstack.org/98069 | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | Driver manager update: #link https://review.openstack.org/102463 | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Tempest jobs | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/multibackend-installation-tempest-job | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | update of ci scripts: #link https://review.openstack.org/102770 | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | 3) Migrate from oslo-rpc to oslo.messaging | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/oslo-messaging | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101586/ | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | thats the main | 15:07 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: is there anything that urgently needs review? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I've been spending a bunch of time on reviews, trying to get to them all | 15:08 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: https://review.openstack.org/102791 - this is blocker for multibackend job | 15:08 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: it has 2 -1s | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I'll weigh in though | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes, will update after meeting | 15:09 |
| bswartz | k ty | 15:09 |
| bswartz | any questions on that stuff? | 15:09 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, yeah 1 | 15:10 |
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| deepakcs | vponomaryov, did u face or see any issue with multi-backend without the lock present ? | 15:10 |
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| deepakcs | vponomaryov, asking because, I am trying to understand what the exact problem is.. DB redudant entries or something else ? | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs: its just proper behaviour with shared resources | 15:11 |
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| deepakcs | vponomaryov, ok! I will go thru ur patch set2 and provide reviews | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | okay cool | 15:12 |
| bswartz | #topic Manila test suite not in tempest | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | so I'm not sure what the issue is here | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | manila test are not in tempest because they can't be in tempest | 15:13 |
| bswartz | tests* | 15:13 |
| ameade | so we were confused about where the canonical tempest tests live for manila | 15:13 |
| ameade | but just found this contrib/tempest/README.rst | 15:13 |
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| ameade | noticed that the gate just copies these files into tempest | 15:13 |
| bswartz | #link https://github.com/stackforge/manila/blob/master/contrib/tempest/README.rst | 15:13 |
| ameade | is there a better way? how do those tests stay up to date? | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: bswartz is right we have no right to push our tests to tempest without incubation | 15:13 |
| ameade | yeah that makes sense | 15:14 |
| bswartz | ameade: this is because we're not incubated yet | 15:14 |
| ameade | but we need to update the wiki then | 15:14 |
| bswartz | does keeping the tests in contrib create any actual problems? | 15:14 |
| ameade | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila_Overview | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: actually, tests for manila in manila's repo is much more cooler, than in different repo | 15:14 |
| ameade | it was just confusing bucause there are links and manila branches in a bunch of repos | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | ameade: gah! that page is obsolete | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I will delete that wiki page | 15:15 |
| ameade | i completely understand why we are doing it the way we are | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | but there does need to be a pointer to the right place for tests somewhere in the developer docs | 15:15 |
| ameade | most def | 15:15 |
| dustins | Agreed, it was a little confusing for a newbie like me | 15:15 |
| cknight | So what is the process by which we run the functional tests here? | 15:15 |
| dustins | I thought I had done something wrong :) | 15:16 |
| bswartz | who wants to own updating the docs | 15:16 |
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| vponomaryov | cknight: tempest | 15:16 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, I can own it.. but i haven't used tempest myself ;) | 15:17 |
| cknight | dustins: do you have what you need to run the manila tests correctly today? | 15:17 |
| ameade | so in order to add tests, one would make do the copy, make changes, and somehow copy their things back over and commit in manila? | 15:18 |
| dustins | bswartz: I can do that as well, just got to get the mountain of other stuff done first | 15:18 |
| bswartz | #action deepakcs update the developer docs with instructions on where to find tests and how to run them | 15:18 |
| dustins | cknight: It's starting to look that way | 15:18 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, sure.. | 15:18 |
| bswartz | dustins: if you want to help out deepakcs that would be great | 15:18 |
| bswartz | just as long as it gets done | 15:18 |
| bswartz | docs are not my strong point | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: it depends on your development process | 15:18 |
| bswartz | :-( | 15:18 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, BTW since we are talking abt docs.. I uploaded "Setting up devstack+Manila on F20" doc @ | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | ameade; you can use mounted share for dir with tests | 15:19 |
| deepakcs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Manila/docs/Setting_up_DevStack_with_Manila_on_Fedora_20 | 15:19 |
| dustins | bswartz: deepakcs: Sounds good, I've got some background with tempest so we can collaborate on this | 15:19 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: thanks! | 15:19 |
| deepakcs | dustins, sure, i will ping u my email ID in pvt | 15:19 |
| ameade | vponomaryov: if we had a manila branch in a tempest repo this would be trivial, but then we have the issue of keeping tempest up to date | 15:19 |
| dustins | deepakcs: sounds good | 15:19 |
| bswartz | ameade: we used to do it that way, but the repo was hosted under github.com/bswartz which looked kind of lame | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: it is up-to-date | 15:20 |
| ameade | vponomaryov: yeah the current way we do it will always be on tempest master in the gate right? | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | ameade: all manila's tempest tests are running with each gerrit change with latest tempest | 15:21 |
| bswartz | and there was the issue of rebasing that branch all the time | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | ameade: tempest has only tempest now | 15:21 |
| ameade | bswartz: yeah thats what i mean by up to date | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: and will has | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | ameade: s/tempest/master/ branch I meant | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: what is our procedure for fixing ourselves when tempest introduces a change that breaks our tests? | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | wouldn't our gate become blocked? | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: tempest jobs are non-votable | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: if compatibility lost - just fix it | 15:23 |
| bswartz | okay there's my answer | 15:23 |
| bswartz | sound good everyone? | 15:23 |
| ameade | when can we make them vote? | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: anytime | 15:23 |
| bswartz | ameade: probably safer to leave them non voting until post incubation | 15:23 |
| bswartz | but we could do it earlier too | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: +1 | 15:24 |
| ameade | as long as folks dont ignore them | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I look at those results, usually | 15:24 |
| ameade | kk lets just carry on, we can revisit this stuff if it becomes a problem | 15:24 |
| * bswartz reminds himself to look at them always | 15:24 | |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:25 |
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| ameade | deepakcs, dustins : make sure the docs show the workflow of adding a test | 15:25 |
| bswartz | okay anything else | 15:25 |
| dustins | ameade: wilco! | 15:25 |
| bswartz | bobf: you here by any chance? | 15:25 |
| deepakcs | ameade, sure, will try.. :) | 15:26 |
| ameade | I get unittest errors when doing ./run_tests.sh on current master..could someone with an environment just try that real quick? | 15:26 |
| deepakcs | ameade, bswartz I will shoot Qs on the list with manila tag.. if something is unclear or unknown to me. Hope to get answers :) | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | okay cool | 15:27 |
| bswartz | we all read the ML I think | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: use tox -epy27 | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | okay if anyone can help ameade continue the discussion in #openstack-manila | 15:28 |
| ameade | yeah i only get 2 errors with tox and those are race conditions | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I think we're done here | 15:28 |
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| ameade | i get 13 with run_tests.sh | 15:28 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038753.html - no answers got :) | 15:28 |
| ameade | but they should both be clean >.< | 15:28 |
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| vponomaryov | ameade: dependencies, environment, could be any reason | 15:29 |
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| ameade | yeah could be | 15:29 |
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| vponomaryov | ameade: gate is the example of its real status | 15:29 |
| xyang1 | deepakcs: why can't we get that resolved in this meeting?:) | 15:29 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: I don't see that message in my folder -- I will check my filters | 15:29 |
| ameade | well it works fine if i roll back by a few commits | 15:30 |
| deepakcs | xyang1, i am fine | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: you mean commits from master? | 15:30 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, oh.. did i use a wrong tag ? | 15:30 |
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| ameade | vponomaryov: yeah | 15:30 |
| xyang1 | It should be stats to be consistent with get_share_stats | 15:30 |
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| vponomaryov | ameade: I know the answer! | 15:31 |
| deepakcs | xyang1, i agree.. my Q was whether we do that across all drivers in 1 patch or do it selectively as we hit them ? | 15:31 |
| xyang1 | with regard to docstring, I agree it shouldn't be volume group | 15:31 |
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| vponomaryov | ameade: new dependencies, after applying new commits, just remove old .tox dir | 15:31 |
| xyang1 | deepakcs: I suggest you open another bug to fix all drivers? | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | ameade: than tox -epy27 will recreate it with proper deps | 15:32 |
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| deepakcs | xyang1, we can .. but in that patch for glusterfs driver, do we change s/status/stats or not ? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: this is a mystery | 15:33 |
| deepakcs | xyang1, and also what do u think on updating the docstring which is copied from lvm.py! | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | deepakcs: I don't see why not. we change it there first because that is where we found it | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | deepakcs: then change other places. we can do it incrementally | 15:33 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, mystery of what ? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: the ML and my mailbox | 15:33 |
| deepakcs | xyang1, i am fine, i just wanted to make sure others agree :) | 15:33 |
| xyang1 | deepakcs: docstring should be changed in glusterfs driver | 15:33 |
| deepakcs | xyang1, ok, then say so in the review comemnts, so that next patchset will fix it :) | 15:34 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, np, u can reply now that i shared the archive link | 15:34 |
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| xyang1 | deepakcs: so fix the issues in glusterfs in this patch, and have another patch fix everything else. that's my suggestion | 15:35 |
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| deepakcs | xyang1, I am fine.. pls put that in your review comments | 15:35 |
| xyang1 | deepakcs: sure | 15:35 |
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| * deepakcs requesting all Manila folks to provide review comments on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/docs/Setting_up_DevStack_with_Manila_on_Fedora_20 | 15:36 | |
| bswartz | okay I'll sort out the ML problem later | 15:36 |
| deepakcs | vponomaryov, do u want to discuss the lock issue here or we are fine on it ? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | deepakcs I think I agree with xyang1 | 15:37 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, cool | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs: No, everything is fine | 15:37 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:37 |
| bswartz | anything else before we wrap up? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | thanks all for helpful discussions today | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:38 |
| deepakcs | bye | 15:38 |
| rraja | thanks | 15:38 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
| deepakcs | thanks | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 26 15:38:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| dustins | later! | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-06-26-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-06-26-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-06-26-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
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| deepakcs | rraja, ping, nileshb has issue with devstack on ubuntu | 15:39 |
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| deepakcs | nileshb, rraja can help on ubuntu. | 15:40 |
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| nileshb | I will do | 15:41 |
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| deepakcs | ok | 15:42 |
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| guillaume_ | clear | 15:43 |
| guillaume_ | ll | 15:43 |
| guillaume_ | oops error sorry | 15:43 |
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| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 26 16:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
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| vkozhukalov | Hi everyone | 16:00 |
| evgeniyl | Hi | 16:00 |
| vkozhukalov | who is here? | 16:00 |
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| ikalnitsky|home | o/ | 16:00 |
| akasatkin1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| nurla | hi fuelers! | 16:00 |
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| christopheraedo | Hello! | 16:00 |
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| vkozhukalov | as usual agenda is here | 16:00 |
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| vkozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
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| mattymo | I'm here | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | #chair vkozhukalov | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: vkozhukalov | 16:01 |
| meow-nofer__ | hi | 16:01 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic blueprints process proposal | 16:01 |
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| vkozhukalov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038501.html | 16:02 |
| asledzinskiy | hi | 16:02 |
| izinovik | hi | 16:02 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:02 |
| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov has a series of suggestions about how to improve blueprints flow | 16:02 |
| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: around? | 16:02 |
| xarses | hi | 16:03 |
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| dpyzhov | Yes, I send proposals, please review and respond | 16:03 |
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| dpyzhov | I need your opinion before updating our process | 16:03 |
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| dpyzhov | The main ideas are: do not track features as bugs and do not track future blueprints in current release | 16:05 |
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| vkozhukalov | you mean even very minor features must be treated as blueprints, right? | 16:06 |
| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: ok | 16:06 |
| dpyzhov | Yep | 16:06 |
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| mattymo | but no spec | 16:06 |
| angdraug | +1, the proposal needs a bit more clear-cut criteria to tell blueprints from bugs, and bluprints from work items, but I support the proposal itself | 16:06 |
| dpyzhov | mattymo: exactly | 16:06 |
| mattymo | +1 | 16:06 |
| meow-nofer__ | +1 | 16:06 |
| vkozhukalov | so guys, please give your opinions in ML | 16:06 |
| vkozhukalov | moving | 16:06 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic bug squashing day results | 16:07 |
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| dpyzhov | angdraug: could you share status of bug squashing day, please? | 16:07 |
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| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: angdraug: would you like to share any stats about how squashing day was this week | 16:08 |
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| angdraug | summary is: we've improved our process from last week, but we didn't catch up with new bugs opened during the week | 16:08 |
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| angdraug | we are also inflating bug priorities a little | 16:09 |
| mattymo | angdraug, we've got everyone on feature work and still no dedicated bug team | 16:09 |
| mattymo | it was proposed last cycle, but not actually implemented | 16:09 |
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| dpyzhov | mattymo: we will have feature freeze in a week. I hope we will have more free hands for bugfixing after it | 16:10 |
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| angdraug | #link https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/spreadsheets/d/10mUeRwOplnmoe_RFkrUSeVEw-__ZMU2nq23BOY-gzYs/edit#gid=1683970476 | 16:10 |
| vkozhukalov | i believe it was much better than last week | 16:10 |
| vkozhukalov | maybe we can expose stats in ML | 16:10 |
| vkozhukalov | dpyzhov: will you share stats in ML? | 16:10 |
| angdraug | stats are in the link ^ | 16:10 |
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| xarses | angdraug: did adding 30K lines of code help or bugs per K? | 16:11 |
| angdraug | marginally, we're still ways above 1.0 | 16:11 |
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| angdraug | we should be more mindful of bug priorities, and we should look to make bug squashing day have more impact | 16:12 |
| angdraug | moving on? | 16:12 |
| dpyzhov | looks like vkozhukalov is offline | 16:12 |
| dpyzhov | #topic 5.0.1 release schedule | 16:12 |
| angdraug | I propose to set hard code freeze for 5.0.1 to 7/2 (day after next bug squashing day) | 16:13 |
| angdraug | if all goes well, this will allow us to release 5.0.1 on 7/7 | 16:13 |
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| dpyzhov | angdraug: actually, we depend on upgrade feature | 16:13 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #chair dpyzhov | 16:13 |
| dpyzhov | #topic 5.0.1 release schedule | 16:13 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | #topic 5.0.1 release schedule | 16:13 |
| angdraug | dpyzhov: good point, what's the status of that? | 16:14 |
| evgeniyl | we still don't have dedicated person to work on 5.0.1 upgrades | 16:14 |
| dpyzhov | I suggest to move akasatkin1 back to upgrade team | 16:15 |
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| dpyzhov | in order to fix this asap | 16:15 |
| evgeniyl | there should not be problems to backport upgrade system from 5.1 to 5.0.1 | 16:15 |
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| evgeniyl | I'm agree | 16:15 |
| angdraug | can be done by end of next week? | 16:15 |
| angdraug | by 7/2? | 16:15 |
| dpyzhov | I believe so | 16:15 |
| dpyzhov | evgeniyl: ? | 16:16 |
| angdraug | akasatkin1: can you confirm? | 16:16 |
| evgeniyl | I think yes | 16:16 |
| akasatkin1 | no objections | 16:16 |
| vkozhukalov1 | ok, any other details? | 16:16 |
| dpyzhov | angdraug: what about bugs status? | 16:16 |
| dpyzhov | are we ok with 5.0.1 bugs? | 16:16 |
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| angdraug | we won't fix all of them, but the fixes we have so far are already enough to push out a release | 16:17 |
| dpyzhov | nice | 16:17 |
| angdraug | that's why I want to freeze after next bug squashing day, catch up even more | 16:17 |
| vkozhukalov1 | angdraug: great | 16:17 |
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| angdraug | moving? | 16:17 |
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| evgeniyl | there are several steps, 1. backport upgrade system, 2. fix UI to use latest version of openstack for new cluster (since we don't backport patching) 3. tesing | 16:17 |
| vkozhukalov1 | moving | 16:18 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #topic Features | 16:18 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #topic KVM+NSX | 16:18 |
| AndreyDanin | izinovik, please, share your progress | 16:18 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | izinovik: around? | 16:19 |
| izinovik | most part of BP is implemented, except Testing section | 16:19 |
| izinovik | yes, I'm here | 16:19 |
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| izinovik | right now I do manual tests | 16:20 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | BP is | 16:20 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/neutron-nsx-plugin-integration | 16:20 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | izinovik: thanx | 16:21 |
| vkozhukalov1 | moving | 16:21 |
| izinovik | ok | 16:21 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #topic vCenter HA | 16:21 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/vcenter-hv-full-scale-support | 16:21 |
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| AndreyDanin | Implementation of nova-compute HA for vCenter will be started on the next week | 16:21 |
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| AndreyDanin | ! | 16:22 |
| vkozhukalov1 | don't forget, next week is feature freeze | 16:22 |
| dpyzhov | AndreyDanin: ha is out of scope for 5.1? | 16:22 |
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| AndreyDanin | We decided to keep nova-compute and nova-network on the controller nodes and move them under Pacemaker | 16:23 |
| angdraug | it's a "should" priority, looks like it's not going to make it | 16:23 |
| angdraug | AndreyDanin: if it's not merged by feature freeze, it's out | 16:23 |
| vkozhukalov1 | angdraug: exactly | 16:24 |
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| AndreyDanin | Ok. We will rearange tasks to people today. | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov1 | ok, thanx | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov1 | moving on | 16:25 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | #topic Cinder VMware VMDK driver | 16:25 |
| vkozhukalov1 | again AndreyDanin | 16:25 |
| igajsin | I checked VMDK driver for fuel. I can create and destroy volumes via VMDK manually also attach and detach their to/from instances. Therefore vmdk driver works good. | 16:25 |
| igajsin | And next week I will modify fuel to make cinder.conf and nova.conf with support vmdk driver on deploying | 16:25 |
| vkozhukalov1 | igajsin: great, looks like we have good chance to see it in 5.1 | 16:26 |
| vkozhukalov1 | any other details here? | 16:27 |
| vkozhukalov1 | moving on? | 16:27 |
| alex_didenko | 1sec | 16:27 |
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| alex_didenko | igajsin: please take under consideration this https://review.openstack.org/101471 , upstream cinder module has a backend for vmdk | 16:28 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | alex_didenko: good point | 16:29 |
| angdraug | moving? | 16:29 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #topic vCenter+KVM | 16:30 |
| AndreyDanin | We need a lab to start developing of vcenter+kvm. Unfortunately, we will get the lab on next week. It means, we won't provide any code before FF. | 16:30 |
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| xarses | I thought we had a vcenter env already? | 16:30 |
| xarses | why cant we use virtual KVM like in devops? | 16:31 |
| AndreyDanin | yes. we use it to test and develop other vcenter features | 16:31 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | AndreyDanin: what about design? have you already designed feature? | 16:31 |
| AndreyDanin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/vcenter-nsx-support | 16:31 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | AndreyDanin: thanx | 16:31 |
| xarses | hrm, is topic wrong then, url is venter+nsx | 16:32 |
| xarses | topic is vcenter+kvm | 16:32 |
| vkozhukalov1 | but it is nsx | 16:32 |
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| AndreyDanin | yes | 16:32 |
| * xarses was confused | 16:32 | |
| AndreyDanin | me too | 16:32 |
| xarses | topic is vCenter+NSX | 16:32 |
| AndreyDanin | topic should be vcenter+nsx | 16:33 |
| vkozhukalov1 | ok | 16:33 |
| vkozhukalov1 | moving | 16:33 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | #topic Access control master node | 16:33 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | dpyzhov: do you have any info about this feature? | 16:34 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | or maybe mattymo has | 16:34 |
| mattymo | salmon isn't here | 16:34 |
| mattymo | I have an update I sent today to Fuel Dev | 16:34 |
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| mattymo | The short summary is nailgun work is proceeding well, but there are bugs in the UI and with nailgun-agent (bootstrap and deployed nodes) for unauthenticated requests | 16:35 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/access-control-master-node | 16:35 |
| mattymo | the fuelclient and fuel-ostf portion of the work is behind schedule and I'm nervous it won't make feature freeze without any help from Fuel Python team | 16:35 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | mattymo: what is your estimate about those issues? | 16:36 |
| mattymo | keystone implementation is ready and can be merged today | 16:36 |
| vkozhukalov1 | mattymo: is it going to be landed in 5.1 | 16:36 |
| mattymo | nailgun we can fix in 1-2 days. If we get help from python team, we'll meet the feature freeze date for sure | 16:36 |
| mattymo | otherwise it will slip feature freeze and we'll see if it can be still included in 5.1 | 16:37 |
| vkozhukalov1 | dpyzhov: do we have a person who can help here? | 16:37 |
| meow-nofer__ | mattymo: are guys from Poland working on nailgun side? | 16:37 |
| mattymo | yes. Lukasz Oles and Kamil Sambor | 16:37 |
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| meow-nofer__ | so, they need some help with it? | 16:38 |
| mattymo | in addition, Bogdan D, Vitaly K, and Aleksandra M did UI work | 16:38 |
| dpyzhov | mattymo: Ok, you can contact with a_teem, will see if he can halp | 16:38 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | dpyzhov: thanx | 16:38 |
| dpyzhov | *help | 16:38 |
| mattymo | great | 16:38 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #topic Secure Fuel Master services | 16:39 |
| mattymo | I have an update on that too :) | 16:39 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/secure-fuel-master-services | 16:39 |
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| mattymo | Code is all QA'd and ready to merge. https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/secure-fuel-master-services,n,z | 16:39 |
| vkozhukalov1 | mattymo: please share | 16:39 |
| mattymo | I just need a generous core reviewer to push them all | 16:39 |
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| xarses | =) | 16:40 |
| angdraug | mattymo: don't look at me, I'll only merge fuel-web commits that already have 2 +1's from fuel-web developers | 16:40 |
| mattymo | angdraug, you can collaborate with dpyzhov | 16:41 |
| vkozhukalov1 | dpyzhov: any suggestions? | 16:41 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | ok, guys, moving on | 16:41 |
| dpyzhov | angdraug mattymo: I’m looking no your requests | 16:41 |
| dpyzhov | move on | 16:41 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #topic Fuel Master firewall | 16:41 |
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| mattymo | all iptables rules have been refactored and is nearly ready for review, but I am still testing it. | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/master-node-iptables-ruleset | 16:42 |
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| mattymo | just a quick update. a single patch covers it all. I expect to be ready Monday for QA and merge | 16:42 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | mattymo: great | 16:42 |
| vkozhukalov1 | moving on | 16:43 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | #topic Nailgun ML2 | 16:43 |
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| xarses | Neutron ML2 - Making good progress, nearly done re-patching upstream puppet-neutron into fuel. Should have reviews up for testing shortly(maybe tonight / tomorrow). Spec is still not approved. No QA is identified as lead for testing yet. Progress can be tracked at | 16:43 |
| xarses | #link https://github.com/xarses/fuel-library/compare/bp/ml2-neutron?expand=1 | 16:43 |
| xarses | corosync HA composition appears to work well without cs_shadow (tested sandboxed since all of fuel isn't plugged in yet). We should consider using it to replace other corosync usage so we don't have to mingle the code into the upstream manifests. | 16:43 |
| xarses | #link https://github.com/xarses/fuel-library/blob/bp/ml2-neutron/deployment/puppet/neutron/manifests/fuel_extras/corosync.pp | 16:43 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | any questions here? | 16:45 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | xarses: thanx for status | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | nurla: we need a qa here | 16:45 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #topic Nailgun plugins | 16:45 |
| dpyzhov | move on | 16:45 |
| nurla | dpyzhov: as i know - noqa | 16:45 |
| vkozhukalov1 | meow-nofer__: your turn | 16:46 |
| meow-nofer__ | so, on plugins there is a good progress | 16:46 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/nailgun-plugins | 16:46 |
| meow-nofer__ | but PR is kinda hard to review, so I arranged a meeting on tomorrow | 16:46 |
| meow-nofer__ | I’ll go through code and say why it’s how it’s done | 16:46 |
| vkozhukalov1 | meow-nofer__: good idea to have meeting to explain all that stuff to reviewers | 16:47 |
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| xarses | I don't see a meeting invite for that | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov1 | it is a huge patch | 16:47 |
| meow-nofer__ | so, after that I’ll fix some comments and write a spec for 5.1 | 16:47 |
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| meow-nofer__ | not « | 16:47 |
| meow-nofer__ | not»support plugins», but experimental stuff | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #action meow-nofer__ sends invite to xarses | 16:48 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | meow-nofer__: thanx | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #topic Image based provisioning | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov1 | good progress here | 16:48 |
| meow-nofer__ | xarses: sent | 16:48 |
| angdraug | moving on? | 16:49 |
| vkozhukalov1 | unfortunately agordeev is sick | 16:49 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | so we have some delay in cloud-init stuff | 16:49 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | but i believe we'll see this feature in 5.1 | 16:50 |
| vkozhukalov1 | moving | 16:50 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | #topic Mellanox | 16:50 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/mellanox-features-support | 16:50 |
| nuritv | Hi, Mellanox status is as follow: | 16:50 |
| nuritv | Implementation of Mellanox features over Centos are mostly done and working locally. Finalizing now the coding over Ubuntu. Local manual tests are in progress. | 16:50 |
| nuritv | However, I have several questions and I hope this is the correct place: 1.We are depending on the Ml2 package and the Qemu 2.0 upgrade. In our local code we are working with both, but since feature freeze is at 3/7, I wonder if there is a due date for uploading them upstream 2.We have sent a Mellanox Centos required packages list to the dev-list. What is the process we should follow? Should we open a task / bug some | 16:51 |
| nuritv | Mellanox drivers are enable in the webui). 3.aviramb had committed our first change for the bootstrap (added Mellanox support for recognizing our HW). What should we do in order to push it? | 16:51 |
| nuritv | Our team is new with the processes here so I hope the questions are appropriate. | 16:52 |
| xarses | nuritv: so far, for packages we have been creating a bug and it gets assigned to fuel-osci | 16:52 |
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| nuritv | Xarses: how can i follow? | 16:52 |
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| xarses | nuritv: lets go over the package needs after the meeting in #fuel | 16:53 |
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| nuritv | Xarses: ok. thanks | 16:53 |
| vkozhukalov1 | rvyalov: around? | 16:53 |
| dpyzhov | nuritv: create a bug in fuel project and add fuel-osci as assignee | 16:54 |
| xarses | nuritv: please paste reviews open so we can start chasing them | 16:54 |
| vkozhukalov1 | can you give comments about ml2 and qemu 2.0 packaging status? | 16:54 |
| nuritv | Xarses: here? | 16:54 |
| xarses | yes | 16:54 |
| nuritv | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101126/ | 16:54 |
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| xarses | vkozhukalov1: neutron ml2 should be in fuel packages already. nuritv is this an issue with the code bits not being present, or the manifests dont configure ml2 plugin yet? | 16:55 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | nuritv: it is better to discuss all those questions in #fuel-dev and ML | 16:56 |
| rvyalov | yes, packages for qemu 2.0 building and they testing | 16:56 |
| nuritv | Xarses: manifests | 16:56 |
| nuritv | we are working locally with the packages | 16:56 |
| nuritv | vkozhukalov1: ok | 16:56 |
| vkozhukalov1 | nuritv: ok | 16:57 |
| rvyalov | for other packages please create bug on launchpad | 16:57 |
| xarses | nuritv: That will be on me for ml2-neutron, we will need to discuss what entry points you need so that we can ensure it works together | 16:57 |
| vkozhukalov1 | looks like we have couple minutes for other questions | 16:57 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | xarses: rvyalov: please stay in contact with nuritv | 16:58 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #topic Open discussion | 16:58 |
| vkozhukalov1 | 1 minute | 16:58 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | ok guys, looks like no one has any questions here, if has, let's move in #fuel-dev | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov1 | ending | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov1 | #endmeeting Fuel | 16:59 |
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| rvyalov | nuritv: we building neutron-ml2 packages, please create bug for add their for ISO | 17:00 |
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| vkozhukalov1 | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 26 17:00:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-06-26-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-06-26-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-06-26-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| tkelsey | o/ hyakuhei | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Hey all, we good to start? | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Hey tkelsey | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | yep! | 17:02 |
| bdpayne | morning! | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 26 17:02:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:03 |
| CristianF | Hi everyone! | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Lets hope this doesn't end with a mahoosive netsplit like last week! | 17:03 |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery here | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey paulmo, good to see you here | 17:03 |
| paulmo | :) | 17:03 |
| chair6 | g'day | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Malini sends her apologies | 17:03 |
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| viraptor1 | ready too | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok guys, what do we need to talk about today? | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | I have a gate test follow up | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | and we should synch on hotels for Seattle | 17:04 |
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| nkinder | hey all | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | nkinder: hey hey | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey nkinder ! | 17:05 |
| nkinder | apologies for being late... It's been a hectic morning | 17:05 |
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| dg_ | Hi guys | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | No worries nkinder same as. | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | dg_: how it goes | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Meetup | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossg-juno-meetup | 17:07 |
| nkinder | just booked my travel yesterday | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Ok so, I've trimmed back the topics that didn't have enough interest | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | asme | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | *same | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | fwiw I'll be staying in the Westin. It's not amazing but I'm used to it | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | It's not terribly positioned for walking to decent/interesting food/stuff | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | I'm staying at SpringHill, it's cheaper and looks decent | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | less than half a mile | 17:08 |
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| nkinder | tmcpeak: I booked there too | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds good, I don't really mind where people stay, its most important that everyone is comfortable and can get themselves to the office. | 17:09 |
| bdpayne | yep | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok so topics wise, Gate tests and Threat Modelling seem to have the most interest | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Nice to see that the two pro-active topics are high on the list | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Each of those will probably want a minimum of a day, with the people that care about it in the room | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Great | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Do we have viraptor1 with us today? | 17:11 |
| nkinder | yeah, those are some solid topics that should get a good amount of airtime | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | I'd actually love to do a book hackathon for most / all of the week | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | I think the gate test stuff needs some good prelim work | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: I think there's value to that too | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | hopefully a few people can join in for most / all of that time | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | but I understand that some people may want to come / go as they explore other projects | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Maybe we can have a seeding session at the start | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: I've been working on gate testing prelim work, viraptor is helping | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | I plan to come into the week with a bunch of book bugs | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | So people like you who have input on many topics can express them before going on to focus on something specific | 17:13 |
| viraptor1 | hyakuhei: yes, I'm here | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | and also just to introduce the week, the schedule, the goals, etc | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: great, I think perhaps we need some agreed milestones of things to get to before the meetup? | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | I believe viraptor1 will be participating remotely :) | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | and to pass out maps to the good nearby coffee places (aka Monorail) | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | ;-) | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yeah, milestones would be great | 17:14 |
| viraptor1 | I'll try if possible | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: don't worry there'll be a intro/welcome/wheres-the-coffee session | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to order coffee | 17:14 |
| * bdpayne wasn't worried | 17:14 | |
| * bdpayne just needs coffee | 17:14 | |
| * tmcpeak too | 17:15 | |
| hyakuhei | Ok any more on the meetup? | 17:15 |
| bdpayne | so I'll be working on preparing for the book stuff | 17:15 |
| bdpayne | if anyone would like to help with the prep, just drop me a line | 17:15 |
| bdpayne | there's plenty of pre-meetup work to be done | 17:15 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | dg_: Didn't you have a comment on the book re: "risk" ^^ | 17:15 |
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| dg_ | yeah, there doesnt appear to be a definition of threat, risk, vulnerability, etc | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | dg_: I was going to look at adding something this week but I won't have time. Could you write a LP bug for it and it can be picked up at the meetup or before? | 17:18 |
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| dg_ | hyakuhei sure | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | dg_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals | 17:18 |
| bdpayne | +1 for the bug report :-) | 17:18 |
| shohel02___ | those easily can be borrowed from RFC, in most cases... we can use existing sources | 17:18 |
| bdpayne | perhaps send me a link to the bug after it is created... I'll make sure it is tagged properly and such | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | shohel02___: sure, it's more agreeing about who's definitions you wish to use | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | shohel02___: as you're here - maybe we can talk a little about the threat modelling stuff, how the sessions should play out? | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | objectives etc | 17:19 |
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| shohel02___ | it will be a team session , but i need to plan it | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Sure | 17:19 |
| shohel02___ | also want feedback from people here | 17:19 |
| shohel02___ | usually run it with developers and security guys in one room | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, how about just bullet-pointing something in the etherpad? | 17:20 |
| nkinder | shohel02___: feedback on what specifically? The overall approach, or things around the keystone work that you've done? | 17:20 |
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| shohel02___ | overall process is good, but more important now to complete the Keystone and possibly to extend Nova | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | I know dg_ wanted to contribute lots to the Threat stuff | 17:21 |
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| dg_ | hyakuhei unfortunately its looking like I wont make it, but Im very interested to see how it goes | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | I'm concerned that it's a bit disconnected. shohel02___ are your weekly meetings still happening, I've missed a few | 17:22 |
| shohel02___ | great, then i would like discuss with him | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | dg_: maybe you can work with shohel02___ on the process/ideas ? | 17:22 |
| shohel02___ | no, weekly meeting are happening... | 17:22 |
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| shohel02___ | the work is slow phase | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Ok that's good. I'll make a note in my calendar. dg_ I'll add you | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | shohel02___: lets see if we can speed it up :) I think the work you're doing has a lot of potential | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSNs | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: We need moar OSSN! | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | moar! | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | The board is pretty much clean. | 17:24 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: we've been up to about 3/month, which is nice to see | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Many thanks to tkelsey tmcpeak dg_ viraptor1 | 17:24 |
| nkinder | but agreed, we need more | 17:24 |
| nkinder | +1. All of the new writers have been doing great | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | It's a good problem to have, quality and quantity have gone up, that's superb. Moving to gerrit was completely the right way to go | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | thanks all, OSSN are interesting to write | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | writing them is a good experience, I'll take on another soon | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: I think yours is just waiting on agreement from Cinder-Core | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: It's still a manual process to publish? | 17:25 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: yes, which I've been handling | 17:26 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: but that's something I want to work on at the mid-cycle | 17:26 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: we need to move towards the combined repo that bdpayne was setting up | 17:26 |
| bdpayne | yes, this is on my near term list | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | what's the repo? | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | I need to work with the other doc core people to ensure that I don't break the build when I move the book over | 17:27 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: that will make it possible to publish to the appendix of the security guide | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | I mean what's it for? | 17:27 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: we're combining the security guide and OSSN repos into one | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: oh cool | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | https://github.com/openstack/security-doc | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | coming soon! | 17:27 |
| viraptor1 | so are OSSNs coming only from someone mentioning security on some bug, or should be we doing some kind of active, quick review of incoming bugs? | 17:27 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: is it possible to work on that together at the mid-cycle? | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: So I like it being in the appendix | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | perhaps | 17:28 |
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| nkinder | viraptor1: we need to do both | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | my goals for pre-meetup are to get the repo running and to file a lot of bugs | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | so hopefully, we don't need to work on it there | 17:28 |
| nkinder | viraptor1: thus far, it's been the former though | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | but, we shall see | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | but I think there should be a bug raised each time an OSSN is approved, saying "Find a good place to reference this in the security guide" | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | ^ just an idea | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:29 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: or "how can this be prevented with a gate test?" | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | nkinder: +1 | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | oooh +1 | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | See, now we're thinking joined-up :D | 17:30 |
| nkinder | I'd like to brainstorm some of the OSSN follow-up ideas at the mid-cycle | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent. So, at the moment nkinder basically does all the heavy lifting for this stuff on his own | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: Good idea, should we perhaps have an etherpad/wiki page for ideas we have between now and then, like the two just above? | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, sounds good | 17:31 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: yeah | 17:31 |
| chair6 | one last thing on the mid-cycle - could attendees please update the etherpad to confirm they're coming? | 17:31 |
| nkinder | #action nkinder to create an OSSN etherpad collecting ideas | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | Next question, nkinder do you need/want help at the organisational level with OSSNs ? like implementing the above? or should we just wait for the mid-cycle | 17:32 |
| nkinder | chair6: good call | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | chair6: +1 | 17:32 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: probably just wait for the mid-cycle | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | chair6: +1 | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: k | 17:32 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: You had a topic you wanted to discuss today? | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yep, wanted to do a little follow up on the gate testing | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | so we were considering three options: hacking, pylint, and homegrown | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | first I asked openstack-dev ML what they thought would be the best, and I think I got one answer that said hacking | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic hacking / gate testing | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | I looked into how to implement a basic security check in hacking and came up with this | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | http://pastebin.com/b9LUJUwX | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | this could obviously be done with a regex, but as you can see it's really easy to write simple tests | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah tbh I'm +1 for anything not regex | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | to run you just 'flake8 directory' | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Very nice | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, I don't like to read them, or write them really | 17:36 |
| viraptor1 | (note: you don't have to kill the whitespace - pep8 guarantees consistent spacing already) | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | but in some cases (like the file permissions) they'd be more practical | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | and what's the process for getting flake8 changes merged ? | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | viraptor1: oh cool, I didn't know that | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | viraptor1: good point | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: so I checked with jogo | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | the PTL for hacking | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | but for all it's going to cost us process wise to nullify whitespace, I'd rather it was there and then we're not relying on pep8 for assurance. | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | and he said that the best way to go forward would be to implement local checks first | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | then once the community as a whole embraces our additions, we can get them merged in | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | he/she | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | not assuming :) | 17:38 |
| viraptor1 | kind of like nova does it already in that case... | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | I did also look at pylint, and I have to say I don't like it as much | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | people always seem to complain that it is very noisy | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | and it seems a bit more complicated to implement a check | 17:39 |
| paulmo | Pylint is pretty decent at finding logical errors and such in my experience | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | here's a slightly more complicated example in case anybody is curious: http://lists.logilab.org/pipermail/python-projects/2009-November/002091.html | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | So projects can have their own flake8 ? I guess I don't follow what you mean by 'local' checks | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | ok, so basically in the tox.ini | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | you have this: [hacking] | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | local-check-factory = glance.hacking.checks.factory | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | I know Adam Young is keen to adopt anything smart we come up with into keystone | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | which points to this python file checks.py where you can implement a "factory" or set of tests | 17:41 |
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| viraptor1 | nova uses local hacking rules too https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/tox.ini#L67 | 17:41 |
| nkinder | yeah, we should have an easy time getting keystone to adopt our gate tests | 17:41 |
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| tmcpeak | factory is just a set of register(function_name) | 17:42 |
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| tmcpeak | so to add new checks we can just add some functions in checks.py, then register them in the factory | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | and voila | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | Ok cool, so local hacking rules seem useful, would we have our own module/suite of changes that teams wanting to use can import into their tox.ini? I can see it getting messy re:changes/updates | 17:42 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, I think you can comma separate them | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | so we'll just have our own factory file | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | and all you need to do is add it in the [hacking] section of tox.ini | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Great, sorry for all the questions, I've not looked into it before. | 17:43 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: I'm glad you asked | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | this was all the information I found that I wanted to convey to you all | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | so that's pretty much it | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | You're doing great work | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | and btw, this is useful | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: thank you | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | I ran it against a project yesterday | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | and found a shell=True in subprocess that I believe may be exploitable | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | I'm talking to nkinder privately about it | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds like, we'll be in a position to just start hacking up tests at the OSSG meetup | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: Great! | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yeah, and it should be pretty easy to come up with some good tests :) | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | hacking is perfect for this | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | so that's pretty much all I had | 17:45 |
| viraptor1 | if the addition is done this way, I believe nothing much needs to be done to gerrit anymore | 17:45 |
| viraptor1 | as long as project already uses flake8 for gating, they will run the additional tests by default | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | #winning. | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | viraptor1: cool, even better :) | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | superb work tmcpeak thank you. | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | thank you | 17:46 |
| viraptor1 | the bad part is that we wouldn't be able to make them not-enforcing unless they are separated :( | 17:46 |
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| tmcpeak | viraptor1: separated how? | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, we do ideally want non-voting rules | 17:47 |
| bdpayne | so we just make sure they are good out of the box :-) | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: Ah yes, and static analysis will save us all | 17:47 |
| bdpayne | clearly | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | :-) | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:47 |
| viraptor1 | I mean, if flake8 run calls the new rules by default, they will need to pass; they could be likely separated into a different environment, so it's 'tox -e pep8' and 'tox -e security' for example | 17:48 |
| viraptor1 | (not sure about the implementation of that, but it should be doable) | 17:48 |
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| tmcpeak | oh cool, I can ask jogo the best way to separate them | 17:49 |
| nkinder | yes, we want non-voting for this for sure | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | Agreed. | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | Any last things to talk about? | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | think we're good | 17:51 |
| tkelsey | so nkinder I would like to talk about oslo-messaging security policy plugin, as mentioned in your blog post, we can caht outside of the meeting though since time is nearly up | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | We've got time | 17:51 |
| tkelsey | s/caht/chat/ | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | and I'm interested, nkinder ? | 17:51 |
| tkelsey | cool :) | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | what's this about? | 17:52 |
| nkinder | sure, so there are changes needed in oslo.messaging to be able to leverage kite | 17:52 |
| nkinder | there are some old patches that simo initially proposed that jamielennox is reworking | 17:52 |
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| tkelsey | I would like to help out on this, working from the oslo-messaging side | 17:53 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: the ugly details are here - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+spec/trusted-messaging | 17:53 |
| tkelsey | nkinder: yeah I have had a read over that :-) | 17:53 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: your best bet would be to sync up with Jamie | 17:53 |
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| nkinder | I don't believe he has started in on the oslo.messaging part in earnest | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | Jamie is super busy and difficult to catch up with | 17:54 |
| nkinder | well, he's in AUS | 17:54 |
| nkinder | so I'd expect it's hard for hyakuhei to sync up with him | 17:54 |
| tkelsey | sure, I have reached out to Jamie, but im sure he has a lot on so im hoping I can push stuff from oslo side without riskjing duplicating any work | 17:54 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: ok, but I know he had planned to talk with you to coordinate | 17:54 |
| tkelsey | nkinder: ah thats good to know | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | Seems like there's just a small disconnect in comms then. Which is understandable given the geo. | 17:55 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: are you going to be at the mid-cycle? | 17:55 |
| tkelsey | unfortunatly not, timing is an issue for me | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | gotta run, catch you all later | 17:56 |
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| nkinder | ok, well I'll talk to Jamie later this afternoon and let him know your plans | 17:56 |
| tkelsey | nkinder: ok thanks very much | 17:56 |
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| nkinder | tkelsey: it's pretty easy to get a hold of him on #openstack-keystone after about 2pm PST | 17:57 |
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| tkelsey | nkinder: noted, thanks | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | So thats 10pm for us over here I think, | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | (uk) | 17:57 |
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| nkinder | great, thanks everyone | 17:57 |
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| tkelsey | yeah somthing like that, well may have to burn some late night oil but im sure it will be worth it :-) | 17:58 |
| tkelsey | ok thanks nkinder hyakuhei | 17:58 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks everyone, very useful meeting yet again. | 17:59 |
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| hyakuhei | Dont forget to update the etherpad and confirm your attendance! | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 26 17:59:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-06-26-17.02.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-06-26-17.02.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-06-26-17.02.log.html | 17:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks, plng | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | meeting time | 18:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 18:00 |
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| dmitryme | o/ | 18:01 |
| RobLevas | hi | 18:01 |
| alazarev | o/ | 18:01 |
| crobertsrh | hello | 18:01 |
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| aignatov | o/ | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 26 18:01:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #info today was the PTL Update Webinar and I've presented some info about Icehouse results and Juno plans | 18:02 |
| elmiko | i've been putting more work in on the swift/auth issue. i've got an updated plan on the private bug report and i've been doing some local testing of the trust/delegation mechanisms. | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | Merge is still an ongoing process. Finally getting some core reviewers in on the action. I have a standing agenda item in their weekly meeting. | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, awesome, it looks very good | 18:03 |
| alazarev | PTO, bugs | 18:04 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 18:04 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i'm working on a local copy of a spec for when we are ready | 18:04 |
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| alazarev | investigaton about Secured Hadoop | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, cool, please, let me know if we'll have an issues again | 18:04 |
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| sreshetnyak | i'm working on hadoop 2 refactoring for support hadoop 2.4.0 | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, I have an action item for openstack project meeting each other week | 18:05 |
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| crobertsrh | will do. Most of the recent comments have had to do with translation blocks, so nothing really significant being found. | 18:05 |
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| aignatov | no special from me :( was busy on other internal stuff | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, I hope that someday I'll wake up and see everything merged ;) | 18:05 |
| elmiko | i share your hope | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, I have a notice | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | For me, it is merged in my dreams, but when I wake up, my dreams are shattered :( | 18:06 |
| dmitryme | aignatov: me too :-( | 18:06 |
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| aignatov | plan to update and move samples from etc to public docs | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll be traveling a lot next 1.5 weeks | 18:06 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: do I need to create spec for it? | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, you can do as one more example | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | currently we have one merged spec from Trevo | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Trevor* | 18:07 |
| aignatov | so I should do, right? :) | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://github.com/openstack/sahara-specs/blob/master/specs/juno/edp-move-examples.rst | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, yup | 18:07 |
| aignatov | I saw it, thx, nice example :) | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any other updates and/or comments? | 18:08 |
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| alazarev | also emailed to openstack-dev about hadoop components upgrade, but this is separate topic | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, yeah | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #action aignatov create bp re moving/updating rest samples docs and do it | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info DONE: alazarev reraise discussions about backward compat https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98260/ | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov to create bp with steps to enable heat be default | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action SergeyLukjanov to create bp about removing/hiding username@image for heat based provisioning | 18:09 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: move my AI to the next again :) | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, already done ;) | 18:10 |
| aignatov | ah, I see, didn’t realised that you was creating it :) | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Review of backward compat | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98260/ | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038565.html | 18:11 |
| crobertsrh | I should get back on track with sahara reviews....too much time in horizon land for me | 18:11 |
| alazarev | actually I’m Ok with solution to make it vendor specific | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, it'll be really great if you have some review power after horizon :) | 18:12 |
| alazarev | if user can upgrade ambari agent in existing cluster there will be no problems with scaling | 18:12 |
| crobertsrh | Yes | 18:12 |
| alazarev | just need to document upgrade procedure | 18:12 |
| bob_nettleton | alazarev, ok, this is good to hear. is there anything else holding up this merge? | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, but the version in sahara db will be still old and sahara will not be able to do anything with this cluster | 18:13 |
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| bob_nettleton | alazarev, the other option is a manual de-scaling for some compatibility scenarios, as Erik mentioned in the email yesterday. | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and one more concern was that if we change some plugin internals in a way that it changes deployment layout than it could be broken too | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but generally I see that we have no good solutions for all of the concerns listed on this topic | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I'm not really against merging upgrade for hdp | 18:15 |
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| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, great. thanks! | 18:15 |
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| aignatov | I’m ok too with that too, Ambari could be upgraded, actually I put my +1 on this patch :) | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, but version in sahara db will be still old one | 18:16 |
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| ErikB | What is the version is Sahara DB indicate? | 18:17 |
| ErikB | sorry, what does the version in Sahara DB indicate? | 18:17 |
| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, what version are we talking about in the sahara db? I'm confused, because we still support the same versions of HDP, we are just moving up to using a newer Ambari to handle the implementation details of the deployment. | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, ErikB, sorry, I'm wrong | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in this case - upgrading Ambari - it should be ok | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we're not storing any ambari version in the plugin | 18:18 |
| tosky | bob_nettleton: about this, isn't a potential issue to have an ambari version intended for hdp 2.1 into the official 2.0.6 images? (I guess no, otherwise you wouldn't do it, but...) | 18:19 |
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| bob_nettleton | tosky, Ambari supports deploying multiple versions of HDP. The version we're moving to (1.6.0) supports the previous versions of HDP, and will eventually allow us to support HDP 2.1 as well. | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, ErikB, the only thing is that probably we should have a doc that will describe that after migrating sahara from Icehouse to Juno you'll need to manually upgrade Ambari on HDP clusters? | 18:20 |
| ErikB | @tosky -Ambari supports multiple stacks. The upgrade is a pre-req for us moving to support HDP 2.1 | 18:20 |
| bob_nettleton | tosky, the images won't need to be modified for this change to work, although eventually I'll pre-install this version on Ambari on the HDP images. | 18:20 |
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| ErikB | SergeyLukjanov, we can make doc updates to specify the process to upgrade if there is anything in particular that needs to be done. | 18:21 |
| tosky | bob_nettleton, ErikB: I see, thanks; just to be sure, does it mean that, as long as the sahara plugin requires 2.0.6, that version will be installed even with a newer ambari? | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, I mean at least note that it should be done w/o instructions (link to ambari docs will be enough) | 18:22 |
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| bob_nettleton | tosky, that's correct. we'll still be able to install HDP 2.0.6 (and 1.3.2) after this change. If we add support for newer stacks, we may eventually decide to deprecate older ones, but this change does not force that to occur. | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikB, bob_nettleton, anyway, this doc could be added in separate change, so, I think that we're unblocking this change and could merge it when review will be done finally | 18:23 |
| ErikB | tosky, yes you will be able to install 2.0.6 and later on other versions 2.1. | 18:23 |
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| tosky | thanks! | 18:23 |
| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, great. could we ask Sergey R. to remove his -1 then? I think it was added in error anyway. Then, if we could get another core reviewer to look at the patch, that would be great as well. :) | 18:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, ^^ | 18:24 |
| aignatov | sreshetnyak: here? please remove -1 :) ^^ | 18:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, I'll take a look on this patch after the meeting | 18:25 |
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| sreshetnyak | removed :) | 18:25 |
| bob_nettleton | SergeyLukjanov, thanks, I appreciate that. | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, oops, it's already have +2 from me :) | 18:26 |
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| bob_nettleton | sreshetnyak, thanks. :) | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, so, aignatov / alazarev / mattf could help with it | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bob_nettleton, ErikB, will jspeidel return back? | 18:26 |
| ErikB | SergeyLukjanov, he's on vacation at the moment, and we are still in planning stage. | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ErikBm oh, ok | 18:27 |
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| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov, bob_nettleton: I think alazarev should do this merge since he raised this topic ;) | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98260/ is ok, waiting for doc in separated patch about need to upgrade ambari while upgrading sahara | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything more to discuss in this topic? | 18:29 |
| * mattf needs to respond to the ^^ related emails | 18:29 | |
| aignatov | someone should reply in ML :) | 18:30 |
| aignatov | mattf thinks the same ;) | 18:30 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: sure | 18:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, I'll floow-up with meeting agreement to the thread | 18:31 |
| * mattf loans his brain&voice to aignatov | 18:31 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | any comments on this topic are very welcome (to the thread too) | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's move on | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Pilot sahara-specs | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | we have the first one merged | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://github.com/openstack/sahara-specs/blob/master/specs/juno/edp-move-examples.rst | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks to tmckay | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and we have action items for at least three more specs | 18:32 |
| aignatov | mattf: ok :) one brain is good, two brains are much more better ;) | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, and multibrain is awesome | 18:33 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: once i have a spec for this security related bug, how do we want to handle it? | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | especcially with shared cache | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, it's a good question | 18:33 |
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| mattf | pinky&brain is best | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, exactly! | 18:33 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, it's not a surprising issue and all users know about it, so, probably when we'll have a solution for it - it could be openede | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, at least to collect feadback for this solution | 18:34 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ack | 18:34 |
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| mattf | it sounds like we have an improved position (use token, don't store password) readily available and an enhancement (narrow token) in the future | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, the pilot is going slow but good | 18:36 |
| elmiko | and another enhancement further down the road, re: barbican | 18:36 |
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| mattf | yeah, we discussed how we cannot have a dep on a non-integrated project | 18:36 |
| elmiko | right, that would be like for k release | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but this timing is looks ok if will take in account time for implementing all the stuff ) | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | i'll proceed on making the spec, then we can talk about posting it to the git repo | 18:39 |
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| mattf | +1 | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, agreed | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's move on | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | There're no proposed changes for Roadmap update / cleanup | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, let's do | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:41 |
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| aignatov | lets fill the void :) | 18:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yeha | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah* | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm a bit sleepy today | 18:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | heh, "a bit" -> "a lot" | 18:43 |
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| mattf | is someone +A'ing the hdp review? | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, feel free to do it, it was already for enough time on review | 18:44 |
| mattf | will do | 18:44 |
| bob_nettleton | mattf, thanks! | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and looks like alazarev isn't here atm :) | 18:44 |
| alazarev | returned | 18:44 |
| mattf | done | 18:45 |
| alazarev | air moved to reboot, strange | 18:45 |
| aignatov | what’s about RobLevas’s patch? I’m ok with his changes too | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, link? | 18:45 |
| RobLevas | aignatov: thanks. | 18:45 |
| aignatov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101050/ | 18:45 |
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| aignatov | wohooo | 18:46 |
| crobertsrh | same thing happened last week | 18:46 |
| mattf | not again! | 18:46 |
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| tosky | on another freenode channel I've seen this global notice:-tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi all. I'm going to reroute a hub and then restart a client server for a few updates. It'll be noisy but should be brief! | 18:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hehe freenode makes us "separated" | 18:47 |
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| alazarev | :) | 18:48 |
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| aignatov | I’m still alive :) | 18:48 |
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| aignatov | I think we can end this meeting | 18:49 |
| mattf | +1 | 18:50 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:50 |
| aignatov | -2 [Do not merge], hehehe | 18:50 |
| aignatov | :) | 18:50 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:50 |
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| crobertsrh | heh | 18:51 |
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| mattf | aignatov, so old skool of you, it's -2 workflow now! | 18:51 |
| mattf | err workflow-2 | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, it's a WIP state | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we still have -2 (code review) | 18:51 |
| mattf | it's not well differentiated in the auto generated emails, that's for sure | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, so, if there are no other topics to talk about - I'll end the meeting in 3 mins | 18:52 |
| RobLevas | Before you kill the meeting... did you decide on moving my patch along? | 18:52 |
| RobLevas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101050/ | 18:52 |
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| aignatov | RobLevas: you’ve got my +2 :) | 18:53 |
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| mattf | i'll take a look | 18:53 |
| aignatov | but I reviewed it earlier | 18:53 |
| RobLevas | aignatov: thank! | 18:53 |
| aignatov | looks good | 18:53 |
| RobLevas | mattf: thanks | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | RobLevas, I'll take a look on it too | 18:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and I'm ok with the blueprint RobLevas | 18:53 |
| aignatov | I think toher guys still need to look at it | 18:53 |
| RobLevas | SergeyLukjanov: thanks. | 18:53 |
| RobLevas | SergeyLukjanov: I can add more info if you want. | 18:54 |
| aignatov | toher - other | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | RobLevas, it'll be great if you're write a spec for it (review to sahara-specs) | 18:54 |
| RobLevas | I'm glad no one dinged me on the size of the patch. :) | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | RobLevas, it'll be a good example for service-adding spec | 18:54 |
| mattf | RobLevas, just you wait | 18:55 |
| aignatov | RobLevas: next time you should split such patches logically into smaller ones :) | 18:55 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, +1 let spec slide atm, catch it for the next time around | 18:55 |
| RobLevas | SergeyLukjanov: I will look into that. I need to figure out what that all means. :) | 18:55 |
| RobLevas | mattf: :) | 18:55 |
| mattf | aignatov, +1 | 18:55 |
| RobLevas | aignatov: I now know for the future | 18:55 |
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| mattf | RobLevas, this isn't apache hadoop ya know, we like small changes that haven't been in progress for months... | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yeah | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we're not using Jira to publish diffs for review | 18:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, it's not so painful :) | 18:56 |
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| mattf | also the turnaround on patches should be fast enough to make smaller patches viable | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | oh no, netsplit again? | 18:57 |
| RobLevas | mattf: The change isn't as big as the number of lines of code make it out to be... in my opinion. :) | 18:57 |
| aignatov | small patches like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102658/ will work for me ;) | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, +2'd ;) | 18:58 |
| RobLevas | aignatov: :) | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, thank you folks! | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 26 18:58:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-06-26-18.01.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-06-26-18.01.txt | 18:58 |
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| markwash | test | 20:01 |
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| jokke_ | markwash: works | 20:02 |
| markwash | is the sahara meeting over yet? | 20:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | markwash, hm | 20:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | markwash, i've already ended it | 20:03 |
| jokke_ | markwash: I'd assume so as not a single line in past 7min | 20:03 |
| markwash | #startmeeting glance | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 26 20:03:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:03 |
| markwash | maybe just my client was looking funny | 20:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | markwash, I think that it was just a topic | 20:03 |
| markwash | no worries, I think we're all set now | 20:03 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 20:04 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 20:04 |
| hemanth_ | o/ | 20:04 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 20:04 |
| nikhil___ | o/ | 20:04 |
| arnaud | o/ | 20:04 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:04 |
| markwash | agenda is here | 20:04 |
| markwash | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:04 |
| markwash | Looks like there is a gate-unblocking fix at the following link | 20:05 |
| markwash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102915/ | 20:05 |
| markwash | also seems like a straightforward fix, if folks have some downtime soon to review | 20:05 |
| markwash | let's dive into the other items, as everyone seems to be here | 20:05 |
| markwash | #topic Update cinder volume-image-metadata (rel. protected properties) | 20:05 |
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| TravT | #link http://openstack.10931.n7.nabble.com/cinder-glance-Update-volume-image-metadata-proposal-tt44371.html#a44523 | 20:06 |
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| nikhil___ | markwash: reviewing now | 20:07 |
| markwash | can anyone give a bit of a summary? I'm still playing catchup on this topic | 20:07 |
| TravT | Basically, we are adding the ability to update the volume image metadata stored in Cinder. However, Cinder doesn't have property protections. So, the question is what approach to take. | 20:07 |
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| TravT | The proposal is to allow cinder to lookup property protections in Glance. | 20:08 |
| TravT | rosmaita asked about replicating the config file and functionality in cinder as an alternate. | 20:08 |
| rosmaita | I'm wondering whether glance is the correct source of truth for this | 20:09 |
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| markwash | I'm assuming the volume-image-metadata properties were originally readonly becuase they're intended to track history? | 20:09 |
| markwash | not track something that is "live" about that volume instance | 20:10 |
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| TravT | Those properties are used by nova just as if they came from glance | 20:10 |
| TravT | Nova doesn't distinguish between them | 20:10 |
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| DuncanT | markwash: Sorry, late joinng. They're read-only because the idea of them changing never occurred to us... they're there at all because some bootable images didn't work without them | 20:11 |
| TravT | So if they have things that affect scheduling or driver behavior, they are treated the same in nova whether the boot source in glance image or cinder volume | 20:11 |
| TravT | The longer mailing list thread that Facundo included started with somebody pointing out that a bootable volume can change over time. | 20:12 |
| TravT | And they may need to update the drivers. | 20:12 |
| markwash | the idea of having every cinder update to those properties also require glance to be available to validate the update is pretty scary | 20:12 |
| arnaud | can | 20:12 |
| arnaud | cinder override | 20:12 |
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| arnaud | with another name for the property | 20:12 |
| arnaud | instead of getting rid of the value coming from glance | 20:13 |
| DuncanT | arnaud: Cinder has its own copy of them all, it doesn't currently consult glance for anything once the volume is created | 20:13 |
| arnaud | yes | 20:13 |
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| DuncanT | arnaud: But cinder doesn't know what it is allowed to let the tennant change, so currently it allows no changes | 20:14 |
| markwash | can the extension just make the nova-facing portion of this metadata mutable and assume that the rest of it must remain immutable? | 20:14 |
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| markwash | s/extension/cinder extension/ ? | 20:14 |
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| arnaud | markwash, iiic, you cannot make mutable based on the fact that some of them can be protected | 20:15 |
| arnaud | s/iiic/iuic | 20:15 |
| fmaldonado | there are properties that maybe we want to maintain immutable, like license key | 20:15 |
| DuncanT | fmaldonado: +1 | 20:15 |
| markwash | well, but the ones that nova cares about are probably quite limited, right? | 20:15 |
| markwash | kernel image id | 20:15 |
| markwash | min_disk | 20:16 |
| markwash | min_ram | 20:16 |
| markwash | basically, I think cinder could have a completely static, hard-coded list of the volume-image-metadata keys that are mutable | 20:16 |
| markwash | and make the rest of them immutable | 20:16 |
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| DuncanT | markwash: Isn't that pretty much exactly what giving cinder a list of the protected properties file does? | 20:17 |
| markwash | not quite, at least how I'm seeing it | 20:17 |
| markwash | becuase the protected properties files goes way into stuff that operators care about | 20:18 |
| TravT | Well, AFAIK, property protections originated from operators wanting to be able to specify certain keys specific to them that they don't want users to be mucking with. | 20:18 |
| markwash | where as the list I'm talking about only has to do with stuff that nova cares about | 20:18 |
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| DuncanT | markwash: So if we go that route, you can bypass protected properties by do image->cinder vol->edit properties->image | 20:19 |
| markwash | my assumption is that every key that is ever protected in the property_protections config would be treated by cinder as immutable, by virtue of not being something that nova specifically knows or cares about | 20:19 |
| markwash | I think I'm being unclear | 20:19 |
| markwash | we also need to timebox this a little bit | 20:19 |
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| markwash | so perhaps, bringing it up, it would be helpful if more folks weighed in on the ML? | 20:19 |
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| DuncanT | markwash: I think people want to be able to edit any key... anything that you might want to put in a glance property can change if you change the content of the image | 20:20 |
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| jokke_ | DuncanT: so instead of askingg Glance every time "Is it ok to change this property?" Rather asking Nova "What you really must be able to change?" | 20:20 |
| markwash | when are we changing the content of the image? sorry I missed that somehow | 20:20 |
| TravT | Property protections aren't necessarily about immutability. It is about further restricting the people who can edit them. | 20:21 |
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| DuncanT | markwash: Sorry, volume in this case | 20:21 |
| markwash | DuncanT: but if you want to make big changes, you can just create a new volume that copies the data from the existing one and then modify it, right? | 20:21 |
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| rosmaita | i really think we want a separate config for cinder protected props, it's up to the operator to keep them consistent (or not, depending on use case) | 20:22 |
| DuncanT | markwash: Currently the only way to get any glance property type thing into cinder is from glance... | 20:22 |
| fmaldonado_ | What if I want to change the image kernel id of the volume? | 20:22 |
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| markwash | so what I'm really proposing is that we treat volume-image-metadata as immutable, but. . . | 20:23 |
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| markwash | we make a whitelist of properties that can be edited through this extension | 20:23 |
| TravT | I think the two use cases got intermingled. We want to be able to update the metadata on volumes. We need to honor the specific property proections that the provider wants. | 20:23 |
| DuncanT | rosmaita: That seems reasonable to me, the question is then is the protected property enforcement code in a suitable state to be shared with cinder, and if not does anybody object to that being changed | 20:23 |
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| DuncanT | markwash: How do you generate that white list and keep it up to date? | 20:23 |
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| markwash | its static in cinder code for now, and is edited through patches submitted to gerrit | 20:24 |
| markwash | that's what I was thinking, anyway | 20:24 |
| TravT | markwash: I think that misses the intent of property protections. | 20:24 |
| markwash | its not elegant, but I guess I'm not feeling like elegant is a place we can get to from here :-) | 20:24 |
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| TravT | property protections are for operators who deploy openstack to be able to specify additional rbac on specific properties they don't want end users changing. | 20:25 |
| DuncanT | markwash: I think that misses the point and provides a poor solution | 20:25 |
| DuncanT | markwash: Sufficiently poor I'd -2 any attempt to put that into cinder | 20:25 |
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| markwash | I guess the place where I'm being a little confounded is on this particular type of collaboration between glance, cinder, and nova | 20:27 |
| DuncanT | markwash: Not sure nova needs any chagnes? | 20:27 |
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| TravT | rosmaita: I'm starting to lean towards your proposal of just having the same config. | 20:27 |
| markwash | and it feels more and more like cinder needs to either adopt a similar mechanism independently of glance, or we need a different way to handle the overall use case of image-attribute-like components on a mutable thing | 20:27 |
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| markwash | s/thing/volume/ | 20:28 |
| TravT | DuncanT: I don't see Nova needing to change. | 20:28 |
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| markwash | I'm definitely +2 on cinder adopting a similar mechanism to property protections and copying the config over operationally | 20:29 |
| DuncanT | Cinder having a copy of the config file works, but then we'd like to share some of the enforcement code from glance (otherwise we're likely to be running into bugs galore), so is glance open to any code cleanup that might be needed to allow cinder to share the code? (periodic sync should do fine for sharing) | 20:29 |
| markwash | I'd love to have a better answer, but that one incurs no extra debt from my perspective | 20:29 |
| markwash | code cleanup is good :-) | 20:29 |
| jokke_ | +1 for cleanup | 20:29 |
| markwash | its probably a good idea to have some reasonably good cross-openstack way of implementing some protections around such properties | 20:30 |
| markwash | its really necessary in the world of putting semantic meaning in user-driven metadata | 20:30 |
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| DuncanT | Cinder gave users their own sematic free namespace for metadata, and operators a different one :-) | 20:31 |
| markwash | yeah, I can't remember why we didn't do that in Glance v2 | 20:31 |
| markwash | :-) | 20:31 |
| DuncanT | markwash: I know it was suggested | 20:31 |
| DuncanT | markwash: But you'd ahve to ask stuart for details | 20:31 |
| DuncanT | of the history | 20:31 |
| TravT | i read the full specs, and i recall it saying "let's just do the simplest possible thing and see how far it gets us." | 20:32 |
| fmaldonado_ | The only scenario that nova needs any change is if we want to make volume metadata being available for scheduling purposes. But that is not what volume meta is for, right? | 20:32 |
| DuncanT | Ok, cool so if code & conf sharing looks like a reasonable plan then we're good to try that | 20:32 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 20:32 |
| markwash | cool | 20:32 |
| DuncanT | fmaldonado_: volume glance meta is for all of the same things glance properties are for | 20:32 |
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| markwash | seems like a positive approach for everybody, and glance just needs to be ready for some patches that might move things around some | 20:33 |
| markwash | okay | 20:33 |
| markwash | next up, if I may | 20:33 |
| markwash | #topic tempest tests improvements update | 20:33 |
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| TravT | minor question to DuncanT | 20:33 |
| TravT | Should facundo put all of that in one blueprint? | 20:34 |
| markwash | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Glance_Gap_Coverage | 20:34 |
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| nikhil___ | markwash: so, after some discussion on that in openstack-qa, the change seems straighforward unless that wiki asks for more coverage (which from the words of it, does not) | 20:35 |
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| markwash | nikhil___: great to hear! | 20:35 |
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| markwash | yeah I think the core thing is the one missing bit mentioned in the wiki | 20:35 |
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| markwash | nikhil___: however, it would be great if you could share some of your insights so that we can push forward with better v2 testing in tempest | 20:35 |
| nikhil___ | and the solution which we planned to implement is to use a file path with real image data in a CONF | 20:35 |
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| markwash | personally I couldn't even find the test that was using non-binary data | 20:36 |
| * markwash facepalms | 20:36 | |
| markwash | nikhil___: that solution sounds good | 20:36 |
| markwash | okay, that was a quick one I think | 20:36 |
| nikhil___ | markwash: saw one test in a link shared bu mtreinish and it showed using image data as '*' X times | 20:36 |
| markwash | again, the goal for this is juno-2 | 20:37 |
| markwash | let's check in on it again next week | 20:37 |
| markwash | #topic Graffiti status update | 20:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Graffiti status update (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:37 | |
| markwash | TravT: hi again! :-) | 20:37 |
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| TravT | Just want to say that we have code started in multiple areas: database schema, rest APIs, horizon, and the volume metadata discussion. | 20:37 |
| TravT | So, we hope the spec goes through. We are hoping that in the process of code reviews that we're able to make changes as we go, because getting a perfect spec up front will just stall us out. | 20:38 |
| markwash | I have this guilty feeling like we have not been providing you with enough -spec reviews yet | 20:38 |
| TravT | in progress code should start showing up in gerrit soon. | 20:38 |
| TravT | Lakshmi also can report on pecan and wsme. | 20:38 |
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| TravT | He had action item last week | 20:38 |
| markwash | TravT: yeah, I think the spec is mostly about sharing vision, there are a large number of items we need to leave off for coding and code review | 20:39 |
| TravT | markwash: great! | 20:39 |
| markwash | rosmaita, arnaud, will you guys be available for this weeks drivers meeting? | 20:39 |
| arnaud | yes | 20:39 |
| lakshmiS | markwash: Regarding the action item from last week, I created an API in glance for metadata object which uses WSME by modifying the existing RequestSerializer and RequestDeserializer | 20:39 |
| arnaud | let's focus on the big 2 (metadata+artifact) tomorrow | 20:39 |
| markwash | arnaud: +1, I will try to give them some time tonight so we are ready | 20:40 |
| rosmaita | markwash: arnaud: me too | 20:40 |
| markwash | I think we know these specs will make it in some form, so I'd like to see us try to have them landed by next week | 20:40 |
| arnaud | agreed | 20:40 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 20:40 |
| markwash | maybe we find out we need a little more time, but we should be aggressive to try to best enable work to land in Juno | 20:40 |
| markwash | :-) yay | 20:40 |
| TravT | Thanks! We certainly expect to make revisions based on feedback during the coding process. | 20:40 |
| markwash | lakshmiS: how did the wsme api experiment go? | 20:41 |
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| markwash | was it painful? how do you like the result? | 20:41 |
| lakshmiS | markwash: It went well. Was able to use the model objects and WSME succesfully | 20:41 |
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| markwash | lakshmiS: as I see it, we've got two concerns we're trying to optimize for | 20:42 |
| markwash | which are kind of related | 20:42 |
| markwash | 1) we want to ease as much as possible the process of wedging your existing grafitti stuff into glance | 20:42 |
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| markwash | 2) we want to ease as much as possible the eventual transition to pecan across glance | 20:42 |
| lakshmiS | markwash: Its quite easy and reduces a lot of code and makes it simple since model objects live outside | 20:43 |
| markwash | I guess #1 is higher priority because its more immediate | 20:43 |
| lakshmiS | markwash: I think it will be a natural fit for pecan + wsme since that's where graffiti model came from. | 20:43 |
| markwash | cool | 20:43 |
| lakshmiS | and also fits well within current glance code. | 20:43 |
| markwash | great to hear | 20:44 |
| TravT | markwash: to try to be clear, WSME fit in fine with current Glance. Pecan, didn't. | 20:44 |
| markwash | right | 20:44 |
| markwash | because pecan is a wsgi application framework, where as wsme is a serialization library/framework | 20:44 |
| TravT | yep | 20:44 |
| lakshmiS | right | 20:44 |
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| markwash | okay, any other notes about graffiti for us today? | 20:44 |
| TravT | nope | 20:45 |
| TravT | Thanks! | 20:45 |
| markwash | great, thanks guys | 20:45 |
| markwash | #topic broken gate | 20:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "broken gate (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:45 | |
| markwash | I already mentioned this one | 20:45 |
| markwash | but again, there is a review I think we might be almost already covered on | 20:45 |
| jokke_ | markwash: nikhil___ pushed it through, thanks for both of you | 20:45 |
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| markwash | oh good | 20:46 |
| markwash | good work guys | 20:46 |
| markwash | thanks for adding it to the agenda | 20:46 |
| markwash | #topic keystoneclient integration with glanceclient | 20:46 |
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| hrybacki | o/ | 20:46 |
| markwash | hrybacki: hi there! | 20:46 |
| jokke_ | markwash: timing was so handy ;) | 20:46 |
| markwash | can you give us an explanation of this topic? I guess we've seen it a bit before | 20:46 |
| markwash | hrybacki: ^^ | 20:46 |
| hrybacki | so I'm the new kid on the block over in keystone and I'm working with ayoung and jamielennox to get keystoneclient integrated with all the other components | 20:46 |
| hrybacki | okay sure | 20:46 |
| hrybacki | Basically, I wanted to check in on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+spec/support-keystone-v3-api | 20:47 |
| hrybacki | and see how we can help | 20:47 |
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| hrybacki | they're trying to standardize interaction with keystone via the client, using sessions, and making ssl everywhere possible | 20:48 |
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| jokke_ | hrybacki: have you seen this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82126/ | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | ? | 20:48 |
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| hrybacki | nope -- looking now | 20:48 |
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| jokke_ | hrybacki: it's lots, but that's the current change to bring v3 support to glance client end | 20:49 |
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| markwash | what parts of v3 would glanceclient be using? | 20:49 |
| markwash | I'm more familiar with the CRUD-y parts of the v3 identity api | 20:50 |
| markwash | which I'm guessing glanceclient doesn't use very often | 20:50 |
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| hrybacki | ideally it would be talking to a keystoneclient instance using its api | 20:50 |
| markwash | ah | 20:51 |
| hrybacki | single point of failure/fixes | 20:51 |
| markwash | principally for token creation? | 20:51 |
| hrybacki | and sessions | 20:51 |
| markwash | ah okay I see | 20:52 |
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| hrybacki | meant to post this link, sorry -- https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystoneclient_integration_with_component_clients | 20:52 |
| markwash | so it looks like we have a blueprint that was not really ever approved, but we also have thomas leaman's patch which might help? | 20:53 |
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| hrybacki | okay, is there anything we can do on our end to assist? | 20:54 |
| markwash | I think some review on that patch would be good, to see how its shaping up and to see if there is anything more that needs to be addressed | 20:54 |
| hrybacki | jamie has been doing a lot of work with the session stuff and the other clients -- ayoung is also working on porting it into horizon atm | 20:54 |
| hrybacki | ++ | 20:54 |
| markwash | hrybacki: do you think you could help with that? I think you understand the goals very well and could help us there | 20:55 |
| hrybacki | markwash: yep, jamie, ayoung, and I will do that | 20:55 |
| markwash | great | 20:55 |
| hrybacki | that's all I had, just sort of feeling out where everything was and seeing where we could help :) | 20:56 |
| markwash | and then bug us a bit in #openstack-glance to help keep it moving | 20:56 |
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| hrybacki | ++ | 20:56 |
| markwash | ^^ that step is probably very necessary, unfortunately :-) | 20:56 |
| markwash | cool | 20:56 |
| markwash | all right then | 20:56 |
| markwash | #topic open discussion | 20:56 |
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| TravT | chirp, chirp | 20:57 |
| * markwash wonders how group H is doing | 20:57 | |
| markwash | okay | 20:57 |
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| markwash | thanks everybody! | 20:58 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 20:58 |
| TravT | thanks! | 20:58 |
| hrybacki | thanks! | 20:58 |
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| arnaud | 0/0 | 20:58 |
| jokke_ | arnaud: you shouldn't divide by 0 ;P | 20:58 |
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| arnaud | :) | 20:58 |
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| markwash | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 26 20:59:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-06-26-20.03.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-06-26-20.03.txt | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-06-26-20.03.log.html | 20:59 |
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