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| russellb | #startmeeting nfv | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 2 14:01:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| russellb | hello, everyone! | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nfv' | 14:01 |
| cloudon1 | hi | 14:01 |
| s3wong | hi | 14:01 |
| cgoncalves | hi | 14:01 |
| adrian-hoban | Hello | 14:01 |
| smazziotta | hi | 14:01 |
| ian_ott | hi | 14:01 |
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| JohnHaller | hi | 14:01 |
| diga | Hi | 14:01 |
| ulikleber | hi | 14:01 |
| bauzas | o/ | 14:01 |
| diga | Hi | 14:01 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/NFV | 14:01 |
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| russellb | #chair sgordon | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: russellb sgordon | 14:01 |
| jchapman | Hey | 14:02 |
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| russellb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
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| russellb | agenda on the etherpad, feel free to add topics | 14:02 |
| russellb | #topic review actions from last week | 14:02 |
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| russellb | last week bauzas had created an NFV gerrit dashboard generator | 14:02 |
| Imendel | hi | 14:02 |
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| russellb | #link http://bit.ly/1iFdldx | 14:02 |
| russellb | i set up a VM for him to use to host the script and automatically update a redirect to a current dashboard | 14:03 |
| bauzas | correct, there were 2 actions, one missing from the meeting | 14:03 |
| russellb | bauzas: have a chance to look at doing that? | 14:03 |
| russellb | bauzas: ah, didn't see the other in the minutes | 14:03 |
| radek | Hi there ! | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | right, my action was to implement the possiblity to update a short url | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | I'm just finishing that, I identified tiny.cc for the backend | 14:04 |
| bauzas | possibly goo.gl aslo | 14:04 |
| bauzas | also | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | so, the action is to finish that one, and then communicate on the short url | 14:04 |
| russellb | OK | 14:04 |
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| russellb | could also implement it with a redirect on that VM i set up for you | 14:04 |
| bauzas | the script is almost done, I'm just testing | 14:05 |
| russellb | short url service probably easier though if it supports that | 14:05 |
| bauzas | well I was planning to host that script on your VM | 14:05 |
| russellb | ok | 14:05 |
| bauzas | and update the url | 14:05 |
| bauzas | so that doesn't require to change bookmarks | 14:05 |
| sgordon | right | 14:05 |
| ndipanov | o/ | 14:05 |
| russellb | k, well cool | 14:06 |
| russellb | thanks for the work | 14:06 |
| russellb | i find the dashboard very helpful! | 14:06 |
| bauzas | place me an action btw. ;) | 14:06 |
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| russellb | #action bauzas to finish up work to automatically keep a short URL up to date for NFV gerrit dashboard | 14:06 |
| russellb | sound good? | 14:06 |
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| russellb | moving on then | 14:07 |
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| russellb | #topic blueprints | 14:07 |
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| russellb | We had 1 NFV related spec approved in the last week | 14:07 |
| russellb | #link https://review.openstack.org/100871 | 14:07 |
| russellb | "I/O (PCIe) Based NUMA Scheduling" | 14:07 |
| russellb | so yay for that! :) | 14:07 |
| adrian-hoban | Great news! | 14:07 |
| jchapman | Yaay | 14:08 |
| sgordon | biggest concern is still the number of outstanding specs on the dash with negative feedback that has not been responded to | 14:08 |
| cloudon1 | +1 | 14:08 |
| russellb | right, what sgordon said ... that's the status of most other things | 14:08 |
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| russellb | there are a lot waiting for the submitter to update/respond to feedback | 14:08 |
| sgordon | 17 outstanding nfv-related nova-specs proposals | 14:08 |
| sgordon | only 2 dont have negative feedback | 14:08 |
| sgordon | in most cases that feedback is > a week old | 14:08 |
| russellb | also note that we're only 3 weeks away from the juno-2 milestone | 14:09 |
| russellb | and I expect spec approvals to stop at that point | 14:09 |
| russellb | definitely for nova | 14:09 |
| russellb | so to have any chance of making it into juno, we have to move on these quickly | 14:09 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 14:09 |
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| russellb | don't think I have anything else on blueprints | 14:09 |
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| russellb | any specific blueprints anyone would like to cover? | 14:10 |
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| diga | Hi Russell | 14:10 |
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| russellb | please go chase the submitter of blueprints you're most interested in :) | 14:10 |
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| russellb | diga: hi! | 14:10 |
| sgordon | ijw, are you around? | 14:10 |
| diga | can you guys have some implementation plan where I can help you ? | 14:10 |
| ijw | Yup | 14:10 |
| sgordon | ijw, wondering if you had any updates on two interfaces one cu^Wnet or the vlan trunking spec | 14:11 |
| sgordon | ijw, or need any assistance | 14:11 |
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| ijw | I haven't done them, let me do it today - there's a few edits to make and I've not touched them recently. Ping me if I'm being slow | 14:11 |
| diga | I want to contribute here | 14:11 |
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| sgordon | ijw, np just making sure you still have scope to look at it :) | 14:12 |
| russellb | and ping me when it's updated and i'll review | 14:12 |
| ijw | sgordon: I want them done, I've just not had time. I'll make some today | 14:12 |
| sgordon | proactively pinging the other owners of items in the list to see if they need help might make sense for the others as well | 14:12 |
| russellb | see if we can push it through | 14:12 |
| ijw | Also, I had some thoughts about MTU stuff, too, over and above what's blueprinted | 14:12 |
| sgordon | ijw, cool | 14:13 |
| ijw | I was looking at this internally, particularly with respect to getting VMs to accept an MTU other than 1500. | 14:13 |
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| sgordon | ijw, where do you see that being configured from? per host, per network, etc? | 14:14 |
| ijw | Bigger than 1500, specicifically. I need ot check the v4 spec, but the v6 spec and the Linux kernel are both quite explicit that if you're setting an MTU you can revise it downward with an advertisement but not upward | 14:14 |
| ijw | sgordon: It needs to be per network - the whole problem with MTUs is that they really don't work if you have different MTU settings on different hosts on the same network | 14:14 |
| sgordon | right | 14:14 |
| sgordon | ijw, which of the blueprints is this under? | 14:15 |
| ijw | From our perspective that means two things - firstly, that we have to tell hosts what their MTU is. Even now it's luck more than judgement that the MTU works at all when it's sub-1500 so it would actually improve behaviour with people who aren't interested in MTU at all. | 14:15 |
| ijw | It isn't yet | 14:16 |
| ijw | The other thing is that network services also need to be told their MTU - the routers specifically should know the MTU and set it on their interfaces | 14:16 |
| adrian-hoban | danb: Regarding the "Virt driver pinning guest vCPUs to host pCPUs" blueprint. #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/virt-driver-cpu-pinning. Does this have a scheduler split-out dependency? | 14:16 |
| russellb | danpb: ^ | 14:16 |
| russellb | adrian-hoban: no | 14:16 |
| russellb | it shouldn't anyway | 14:17 |
| russellb | split out won't happen in juno | 14:17 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, i believe it now relies on the extensible resource tracker | 14:17 |
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| cgoncalves | ijw: not sure if this is somehow relevant for you but still: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75281/ | 14:17 |
| danpb | yeah i don't see any dep there | 14:17 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, although there is some potential for mitigating that dependency as well | 14:17 |
| danpb | the design will say it depends on extensible resource scheduler | 14:17 |
| danpb | s/scheduler/tracker/ | 14:17 |
| russellb | seems sensible for the spec | 14:18 |
| danpb | but if the extensible resource scheduler work goes belly-up we'll just change it to not rely on that | 14:18 |
| ijw | cgoncalves: That's a part of it certainly (though I don't know how that affects v6 rather than v4) | 14:18 |
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| adrian-hoban | sgordon: Thanks for pointer. I'll look more closely at it this week. | 14:18 |
| danpb | the dep on extensible resource scheduler was only added to keep pedantic reviewers happy, but because it is really needed | 14:18 |
| russellb | s/but/not/ | 14:19 |
| russellb | agree :) | 14:19 |
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| danpb | opps, yes | 14:19 |
| diga | Heyy russellb: can you give me one task so that I can start my work | 14:20 |
| bauzas | well, by looking at the last iterations, this bp sounds in a good shape, no ? | 14:20 |
| adrian-hoban | danpb: russellb: Thanks, I wasn't clear on this point. | 14:20 |
| ijw | So anyway - yes, we want to set per-network MTU in the API to some number no higher than the infrastructure can manage - if you can fragment the packets that's good but you still want it programmable (and someone had better check what happens when DF *isn't* set and you send a large packet over GRE or VXLAN) | 14:20 |
| russellb | adrian-hoban: np :) | 14:20 |
| russellb | adrian-hoban: there are some things that i do think are dependent on it ... generally depends on the complexity of the addition to the scheduler we're talking about | 14:20 |
| russellb | most things are small enough we can do with the current scheduler | 14:20 |
| russellb | the solver scheduler is an example of something big enough that it will likely have to wait, IMO at least | 14:21 |
| danpb | adrian-hoban: basically i consider spec documents to be just a "best guess at what the impl will probably look like" - not a 100% guarantee that the impl will work that way | 14:21 |
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| danpb | if things come to light during impl work that need a change in the design, that'll just be done as needed regardless of the spec | 14:21 |
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| russellb | diga: a good place to start would be to review the blueprints and code linked from the wiki page. testing out features you're interested in would be helpful too. | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | fyi, the scheduler team decided to move faster and to spin up Gantt without having 100% feature parity with nova-scheduler | 14:22 |
| diga | Thanks | 14:22 |
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| ijw | Anyway, so first we need an MTU attribute. Second, drivers need to confirm that they support MTU setting and that the MTU chosen can be suported. Thirdly, MTU needs giving to the hosts (config drive or network advertisement) and hosts need to be willing to set, and capable of accepting, the chosen value. Hosts around today will generally discard a network advertisement; you could make it a requirement that hosts hav | 14:23 |
| ijw | e a MTU of 9216 by default but that's not compatible with current clouds. | 14:23 |
| bauzas | so Gantt won't be able at the moment to filter on aggregates and instance groups | 14:23 |
| russellb | bauzas: concern just the cost of maintaining two schedulers | 14:23 |
| sgordon | ijw, seems like we need an irc->nova-specs gateway :) | 14:23 |
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| ijw | And finally, the current config-drive setting of interfaces is shite - it writes out /etc/network/interfaces last I checked, rather than an abstract structure of data. | 14:23 |
| * ijw nominates sgordon | 14:24 | |
| sgordon | doh! | 14:24 |
| bauzas | russellb: indeed, but the problem is about waiting the changes for aggregates and groups that depend on other BPs | 14:24 |
| russellb | ijw: sgordon indeed, that needs to change.. i think there's a spec for that? | 14:24 |
| bauzas | like extensible resource tracker | 14:24 |
| ijw | The last two points are the most problematic - if you can't tell a host what the MTU is you can't really make much use of it | 14:24 |
| sgordon | russellb, for the config-drive issue? | 14:24 |
| russellb | sgordon: yes | 14:24 |
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| ijw | russellb: do you know if anyone's given any thought to the config-drive for network config? | 14:25 |
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| danpb | ijw: sounds like the issues around MTU are best outlined in a nova spec | 14:25 |
| russellb | yes, that's what i was referring to, i was talking to comstud about that the other day | 14:25 |
| russellb | thought he said there was a spec ... | 14:25 |
| russellb | danpb: +1 | 14:25 |
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| danpb | its too hard to follow all the details here in IRC | 14:25 |
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| ijw | Templating doesn't really work, you end up encoding network information in a file that is OS-specific from a cloud that should be OS-agnostic | 14:25 |
| sgordon | russellb, this one ? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/metadata-service-network-info | 14:25 |
| sgordon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/metadata-service-network-info | 14:26 |
| ijw | danpb: They want outlining in a spec but a spec necessarily requires a solution as well as a problem statement | 14:26 |
| ijw | sgordon: ta | 14:26 |
| russellb | maybe? | 14:26 |
| sgordon | lol :) | 14:26 |
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| sgordon | russellb, tentatively maybe | 14:26 |
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| russellb | sgordon: no, that covers metadata API stuff | 14:26 |
| russellb | not the format written to config drive | 14:26 |
| sgordon | i will have to keep digging | 14:27 |
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| ijw | That spec is not publicly readable | 14:27 |
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| russellb | sgordon: actually maybe it is that, it does mention that this stuff should be in config drive | 14:27 |
| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85673/9/specs/juno/metadata-service-network-info.rst | 14:27 |
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| ijw | Ah, it's just the spec link, there's a review link below | 14:27 |
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| russellb | #topic open discussion | 14:28 |
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| ijw | Oh, no, no spec | 14:28 |
| russellb | any other topics for today? | 14:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | hi can i add #https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95805/1/specs/juno/libvirt-ovs-use-usvhost.rst. to the agenda. | 14:28 |
| ijw | You just did | 14:29 |
| russellb | ijw: ha, indeed | 14:29 |
| russellb | sean-k-mooney: sure, go ahead. now is good. | 14:29 |
| ijw | So there are two of these, this one and Luke's, both doing the same thing | 14:29 |
| ijw | Luke's is rather better, this one needs consistent nova/neutron config | 14:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | i belive i have found a way to address the per host vif bining configuation and would like input on the direction | 14:30 |
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| danpb | communication between nova & neutron is a desired feature | 14:30 |
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| sean-k-mooney | see final comment in the libvirt-ovs-use-usvhost.rst. | 14:31 |
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| ijw | Now, that's another spec I'd like to see, now you remind me | 14:32 |
| danpb | sean-k-mooney: having to setup a config file listing all host ids seems very non-scalable | 14:32 |
| ijw | I would like Nova to tell Neutron which VIF drivers suit, and Neutron to choose the most preferred one that it can suppot | 14:32 |
| danpb | as ijw said, nova needs to tell neutron what VIFs it is able to support | 14:32 |
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| danpb | and then neutron should reply with which it should actually use | 14:32 |
| ijw | See, we're all good - shall I spec that one up? | 14:33 |
| ijw | We can do the neutron side first if we report it in a header (which seems appropriate for an HTTP negotiation) | 14:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | at present there is only one way to detect if vanila ovs has userspace vhost support | 14:33 |
| ijw | Nova will ignore it till we make it pay attention | 14:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | this is to check the commanline that the vswithcd is started with | 14:33 |
| danpb | ijw: sure | 14:33 |
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| sean-k-mooney | because if this i was suggesting reusing the work used in this blueprint #https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/hostid-vif-override merged in havana | 14:34 |
| ijw | sean-k-mooney: I don't think your comment changes anything - it's still one-side config, which is what we're mostly (Przemyslaw excepted) saying we want | 14:34 |
| ijw | I'm a bit surprised actually - so Neutron is potentially capable of choosing any VIF type, but in practice, I think you're saying, it will only ever use the same one universally? | 14:35 |
| ijw | As in, it's implementation, not interface, that has the issue? | 14:35 |
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| sean-k-mooney | correct neutorn can chose the vif-type base on a numer of factor | 14:36 |
| ijw | I would assume that this *doesn't* want to be config - for instance, in Neutron I may want to use sriov sometimes and not others (different plugging type based on circumstance) | 14:36 |
| sean-k-mooney | most impemntation have the vif-type hardcoded | 14:36 |
| ijw | But I think you have a case where the answer is 'installer knows best' | 14:36 |
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| ijw | Shouldn't this be selected via the specific typedriver? | 14:36 |
| ijw | Anyway, seems fine, probably isn't the answer to this specific question | 14:37 |
| ijw | Other than I think we all agree that it's Neutron's responsibility to choose the right OVS plug based on circumstance | 14:38 |
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| sgordon | +1 | 14:38 |
| ijw | russellb: Can you find the network info guys and get them to put a spec up so that we can review it? Three changes there, no spec | 14:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | for srivo maybe but the north bound interface to the swtich is identical between vhost or userspace vhost for configuration | 14:39 |
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| ijw | For sriov, the configuration is dramatically different - one way around, you're saying 'I want an SRIOV interface' and the other 'please attach me to a software switch' - no similarities at all, at least for some methods | 14:39 |
| ggarcia_ | +1 | 14:40 |
| ijw | SRIOV may involve reconfiguring a hardware switch or the PF but it's absolutely the case that plugging into an OVS is not going to get you what you want | 14:40 |
| ijw | OK - anyway, I can spec up the idea I was talking about. | 14:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | i am not suggeting useing this mecanisum fo sriov only to allw you to diferenciate if ovs has userspace vhost enable or not on a node. | 14:41 |
| ijw | russellb: to change the topic: have you considered what we want to land for j2 and j3? | 14:41 |
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| ijw | sean-k-mooney: yup, and I'm fine with that, just saying that this is a separate area to that specific problem, but one way of helping Neutron make the right choise | 14:41 |
| russellb | for j2, the stuff with code already posted is most realistic | 14:41 |
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| * ijw hands russellb the big stick and nominates him to issue beatings until things are in | 14:42 | |
| russellb | :) | 14:42 |
| russellb | but i am only one stick | 14:43 |
| russellb | many sticks will do better than one | 14:43 |
| ggarcia_ | ijw, I agree, and I go further. Besides SRIOV interfaces and software switches interfaces, passthrough of the whole interface might be necessary in some scenarios | 14:43 |
| ijw | It has nails. I sharpened them specially | 14:43 |
| russellb | neat! | 14:43 |
| russellb | i'll do what i can | 14:43 |
| russellb | mostly on the review front | 14:43 |
| ijw | cool | 14:43 |
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| russellb | don't have as much influence on the neutron side | 14:43 |
| russellb | but we've got a lot of nova stuff in the pipe i can help push | 14:43 |
| ijw | Need to make sure the specs have implementers too. I shall be using my own stick for that but people seem to stay at a respectful distance nowadays | 14:43 |
| russellb | excellent | 14:44 |
| russellb | biggest thing this week is to get specs iterated | 14:44 |
| russellb | can't review much more there right now | 14:44 |
| russellb | but i'm going to put some time into reviewing a bunch of nova code already up | 14:44 |
| russellb | danpb has several patches ready | 14:44 |
| ijw | You have a stick. I shall be iterating | 14:44 |
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| russellb | plz update the 2 NICS 1 subnet spec | 14:44 |
| russellb | or you get hit | 14:44 |
| ijw | Yes sir | 14:45 |
| russellb | yay | 14:45 |
| russellb | my job here is done | 14:45 |
| danpb | russellb: biggest blocker to me for the last week is actually our inability to actually land any patches in the gate | 14:45 |
| russellb | and let me know when you update in case i don't see it | 14:45 |
| russellb | danpb: argh | 14:45 |
| russellb | danpb: i haven't been following that very closely in the last week :( | 14:45 |
| danpb | i've been waiting 5 days just to try to get some simple method renames landed | 14:45 |
| danpb | must have rechecked about 40 times | 14:45 |
| russellb | wow | 14:46 |
| danpb | so chance of getting any actual features merged is close to zero | 14:46 |
| russellb | welp ... guess it's time to help there too | 14:46 |
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| * danpb is utterly demotivated to even bother trying to submit code to nova right now | 14:46 | |
| ijw | danpb: We can help. russellb has a stick | 14:47 |
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| russellb | my stick won't help there | 14:47 |
| russellb | only diving in and helping fix it | 14:47 |
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| * ijw is reminded of Trainspotting | 14:47 | |
| russellb | there are folks that work really hard to keep that stuff going, but it's exhausting | 14:48 |
| russellb | and not sexy work | 14:48 |
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| ijw | Yeah, thankless too | 14:48 |
| danpb | yeah, i've been trying to debug some issues for days | 14:48 |
| russellb | danpb: thanks a lot for that | 14:48 |
| danpb | but they never reproduce locally | 14:48 |
| danpb | which makes it pretty much impossible to debug many of them | 14:48 |
| ijw | 'works in devstack' | 14:48 |
| russellb | yes, that's been my experience | 14:48 |
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| russellb | ijw: or in this case, doesn't work in devstack (in the gate) | 14:48 |
| russellb | alright well i guess that's it for today | 14:49 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 14:49 |
| ijw | tata | 14:49 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 2 14:49:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-07-02-14.01.html | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-07-02-14.01.txt | 14:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-07-02-14.01.log.html | 14:50 |
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| sean-k-mooney | thanks for your feedback :) | 14:51 |
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| armax | hi | 15:00 |
| armax | dvr folks around? | 15:00 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: it looks like it’s just the two of us | 15:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 15:02 |
| phil_h | hi | 15:02 |
| armax | oh, hi | 15:02 |
| pcm_ | hi | 15:02 |
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| mrsmith | hello | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | I guess I’ll get the meeting started. Give me a minute to pull up the agenda. | 15:03 |
| chuckC | hi | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 2 15:04:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic agenda | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | What agenda items do y’all have for today? | 15:05 |
| armax | I don’t have anything specific besides a usual status update | 15:05 |
| mrsmith | +1 | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Sounds good. | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | This morning, all of the patches are passing Jenkins tests. That is great. | 15:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm here for the status updates | 15:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | <- docs | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: thanks. You have status to give? | 15:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | nope. but i am curious when/where i might be able to find some hints on how to deploy dvr so we can start on the docs | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: I see. The best we’ve got now in the howto page. | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR/HowTo | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | It is a bit raw at the moment but I’ve been working on it this week. | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic status | 15:09 |
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| armax | Sam-I-Am: we’ll be adding more info | 15:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | carl_baldwin: cool. its the doc team's job to make it look pretty for the official docs | 15:09 |
| phil_h | Sam-I-Am and I can help on that | 15:09 |
| armax | so watch it closely :) | 15:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | this stuff will probably go into the admin guide or a networking book | 15:09 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: also patches #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/neutron-ovs-dvr,n,z | 15:09 |
| armax | have DocImpact in their commit sections | 15:09 |
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| armax | to help a little more | 15:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | glad to see #docimpact being used | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: We are planning to get together at the mid-cycle to discuss docs with emagana. | 15:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | Will others be attending the mid-cycle next week? | 15:10 |
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| pcm_ | yes | 15:10 |
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| mrsmith | carl_baldwin: I won't be able to attend | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | Speaking of deploying the code. I’ve been making an attempt of my own this week. | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | It resulting in discovering some missing code which armax recovered. Looks like the rebase to master left some behind. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | *resulted | 15:14 |
| armax | armax: so have I | 15:14 |
| mrsmith | carl_baldwin: there is the rpc out of sync issue as well as the config param change between the l3-agent and l3-scheduler | 15:14 |
| armax | as we’re getting more and more into integration testing, more issues will arise and get addressed over time | 15:14 |
| mrsmith | for rpc there is the missing handlers but from a review request, I bumped up the RPC version to 1.1 on the agent | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | I attempted to convert an existing legacy router to a DVR router. I uncovered a few bugs that I’ll be noting this morning in the reviews. | 15:15 |
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| armax | mrsmith: is this reflected on the patch under review? | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: I believe that we’ve restored the missing RPC handlers. I did not have any RPC problems with the latest code. | 15:15 |
| mrsmith | ok | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | There are many code paths that I’ve not touched yet though. | 15:16 |
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| mrsmith | we done alot of testing on icehouse | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | juno has been new | 15:16 |
| armax | mrsmith: as for the config param change between l3-agent and l3-sched what do you mean exactly? | 15:17 |
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| mrsmith | centralized -> centralized_router | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | so the scheduler needs to change to follow | 15:17 |
| armax | mrsmith: got it | 15:17 |
| armax | mrsmith: we were also thinking of consolidating some of the config options if possible | 15:18 |
| mrsmith | agreed | 15:18 |
| armax | mrsmith: would you have time to look into that? | 15:18 |
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| mrsmith | but this is just a diff now | 15:18 |
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| mrsmith | consolidating the config options? we can discuss.... not sure what you had in mind | 15:18 |
| armax | mrsmith: I posted my comments on the review | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | k - I'll look | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Could you note in the review of the scheduler patch where the config option problem is? | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | sure | 15:19 |
| armax | as for centralized vs centralized_router, not sure I follow…maybe you can point out the discrepancies on the reviews in question? | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks. | 15:19 |
| armax | L3-sched and L3-agent look to be in sync, but I could see double :) | 15:20 |
| mrsmith | fyi - I hope to push a new patch today for l3-agent | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | Some of you may not be aware that I’ve started to maintain a branch on github that merges together all of the patches. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://github.com/ecbaldwin/neutron-dvr.git | 15:21 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: this is used in this devstack patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103180/ | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: What is the status of this patch? Is it usable yet? | 15:23 |
| armax | locally it should | 15:23 |
| armax | I am still trying to figure out why the gate does not pick up the changes | 15:23 |
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| armax | more to follow | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | I look forward to using it. It will be very useful. | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | Is there any other status? | 15:25 |
| armax | none from me | 15:25 |
| mrsmith | none from me | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic mid-cycle meeting | 15:25 |
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| armax | the L3 HA effort seems to have lost momentum | 15:26 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I suggest that the dvr picks it up as soon as the bulk of the dvr stuff merges | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | #undo | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic HA | 15:27 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: sorry :) | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: good point. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | No worries. | 15:27 |
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| armax | it just came up to my mind | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: That is a good suggestion. | 15:27 |
| armax | as I was saying, I’d suggest that the dvr team picks it up as soon as the bulk of the dvr stuff merges | 15:27 |
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| armax | I spoke with mestery about this | 15:28 |
| armax | and we agreed on a plan going forward | 15:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | any plans to make l3 redundancy work with linuxbridge rather than ovs? | 15:28 |
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| armax | in the meantime I’ll be working on the current code being proposed | 15:29 |
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| armax | so that more people can work on it at the same itme | 15:29 |
| armax | *time | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: Is the current HA code limited to ovs? | 15:29 |
| phil_h | Is says so on the how to page | 15:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i was just reading through the howto and noticed it was specific to ovs and vxlan | 15:30 |
| armax | rebase etc... | 15:30 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: basically, reviving the code | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: Ah, I had shifted my thinking toward the L3 HA code. | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, DVR is currently limited to ovs and vxlan. | 15:31 |
| armax | is safchain around? | 15:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | carl_baldwin: i guess my mind was also wondering about the diff between the l3 ha and dvr stuff | 15:32 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: I believe this is covered in the respective blueprints | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: They are fundamentally different. DVR is about distributing routers so that routing is done on the compute node. It does not add redundancy but rather decouples routing from the network host. | 15:34 |
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| safchain | armax, hi | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | HA routing adds redundancy by running any centralized routing redundantly on multiple network hosts. | 15:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | thx | 15:34 |
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| armax | hi safchain: we were talking about L3 HA | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: There is some opportunity to use to two together in the case of default SNAT which DVR does not handle in a distributed way. | 15:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ok | 15:35 |
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| armax | safchain: maybe we could sync up offline? | 15:36 |
| safchain | armax, yes sure | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | armax: safchain: I hope to see this revived and merged. I think it is long overdue. | 15:37 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: will try to make this happen | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: great. | 15:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic mid-cycle sprint | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’d like to get some ideas for what we could be working on during the three day sprint coming up next week. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | We’ve mentioned a docs discussion. | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | Other ideas? | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | I think that I’ll use whatever time I can get to continue trying to get my deployment off the ground and rooting out problems with the basic use cases. | 15:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | What I might do in preparation is build a couple more VM-based two-node devstack clusters with the DVR code ready to test. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Hopefully using the devstack patch armax is working on. | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | If the basic use cases are working by then maybe I can flesh out the use case to convert a legacy router to distributed. | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other ideas? | 15:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | that would be a good feature to help adoption | 15:45 |
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| mrsmith | armax: have you had success with vivek's example of multi-node devstack? | 15:46 |
| mrsmith | we use it locally | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: Agreed. The feature is in the merged blueprint. Just needs some work. | 15:46 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: not yet… | 15:46 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: ironing out all the issues I found on a single node first | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Understood. I’m just hoping. I’ll probably get to building a couple more clusters next week before flying out to Minn. | 15:47 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: if there are guys from QA/infra | 15:47 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: you could discuss steps to get this a non-voting experimental job | 15:48 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: even though that shouldn’t be extra difficult | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Good idea. Let me look at the list of attendees. | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: Do you know off-hand if any will be attending? | 15:48 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: not sure | 15:49 |
| armax | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-mid-cycle-meeting | 15:49 |
| armax | lists the attendes | 15:49 |
| armax | but I am not sure about affiliations nor responsibilities of some of those names | 15:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | armax: I’m sure that Mark or Kyle will be able to help find the right people even if they’re not in attendance. | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavelle may be able to help as well. | 15:51 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: ok | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll be sure to start a discussion on it. | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:52 |
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| yisun | Carl, this is Yi from FWaaS | 15:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | whats a good place to keep up with the progress here? | 15:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | yisun: Hi | 15:53 |
| yisun | Have you get a chance to talk to Vivek? | 15:53 |
| yisun | About the detail of his idea? | 15:53 |
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| viveknarasimhan | hi yisun | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: Not sure. I guess the meeting status reports here and in the Neutron meeting. What could we do to help? | 15:53 |
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| carl_baldwin | yisun: No, I did not get a chance. Thanks for the reminder. | 15:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | viveknarasimhan: I was going to ask you about your ideas for integrating FWaaS. | 15:54 |
| viveknarasimhan | yes carl | 15:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | carl_baldwin: i guess that works. what i'd like to see at some point is a recommended/tested configuration that we could put into official docs | 15:55 |
| viveknarasimhan | i was proposing current behaviour where | 15:55 |
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| viveknarasimhan | in integration bridge we know whihc is DVR routed, which is traditionally routed and which is switched packet | 15:55 |
| viveknarasimhan | if we could put a hook in there for DVR routed packets | 15:55 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: Thanks. I will document what I test. It will take some time. | 15:56 |
| viveknarasimhan | that is where FwAAs would handle the routed packet before forwarding it out/into of the DVR interface | 15:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | viveknarasimhan: I don’t see yet how that solves the problem of path asymmetry. | 15:57 |
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| viveknarasimhan | proposing a way to handle access control | 15:58 |
| viveknarasimhan | i wasn't mentioning this will give a stateful firewall | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | Ah, I see. | 15:58 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think there may have been some confusion there. | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m glad we got that cleared up. | 15:59 |
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| yisun | Vivek, got you | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | So, the problem of running a stateful firewall with DVR E/W traffic is still an open issue. | 15:59 |
| viveknarasimhan | yes , | 16:00 |
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| yisun | Carl, yes | 16:00 |
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| yisun | Vivek:Carl: FYI—-Currently, I’m thinking the FW zone concept may not be applicable in the distribute environment . The Zone was used to group interfaces and be used ask context for policy, with the DVR, there are no interface really. So, we will could provide another type of construct to be the context of policy objects. This way we could simplify our issue | 16:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | I just noticed that we hit the top of the hour. | 16:00 |
| viveknarasimhan | for DVR we have only bindings | 16:00 |
| yisun | s/ask/as/ | 16:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | We can take this discussion in to the neutron room. | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 2 16:00:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-07-02-15.04.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-07-02-15.04.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-07-02-15.04.log.html | 16:00 |
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| viveknarasimhan | bindings are in a single bucket represented by a logical router interface to the tenant | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2'ers | 16:01 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 16:01 |
| asomya | hi | 16:01 |
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| irenab | hi | 16:01 |
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| rcurran | hi | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Looks like we some missing audience this morning - :-) | 16:02 |
| emagana | Hi folks! | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 2 16:02:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| rcurran | vacation week for folks | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
| emagana | Sukhdev: Summer and Worldcup! | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | emagana: yes - I figured :-) | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | Lets get started - we'll keep it brief today | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_July_2.2C_2014 | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic Nova/Neutron Parity Sprint next week in Minneapolis, MN | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | We have a sprint next week - I am sure I will see some of you there | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | I do not if you heard about the progress that DVR team has made | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | you can check out pretty cool demo at | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4BwAjLHd0M | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Update on ML2 sync meeting | 16:07 |
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| banix | Hi. Sorry for being late. | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | Bunch of ML2 team member met last Friday | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | banix: Hi - perfect timing | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | We covered Bulk operations and ML2 Sync in that meeting | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | banix, chuckC, Shiv and I participated in the discussion | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1193861 | 16:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1193861 in neutron "ML2 plugin needs to override bulk operations" [Medium,In progress] | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | We have a long way to go to plan the ML2 sync activities - but, we all felt that it is the right way to go from the long term solution point of view | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | banix: want to add something? | 16:10 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: nothing but to say that we thought we would fix the bulk bug mentioned above independent of adding sync | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | correct - this will give us the short term solution towards the long term goal | 16:12 |
| banix | The sync requires a more significant amount of time (discussion, and coding) and is needed for non bulk ops as well | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | Any body have any questions? | 16:12 |
| banix | yes that’s all. | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | banix: correct | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | We will have follow on discussion on the topic | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | Moving right along | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Action Items from last weel | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | s/weel/week | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | There were no action items, other than the meeting that took place last Friday - that I already mentioned | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | Looks like our bug czar is missing - so, we'll skip it over - unless somebody wants to discuss any specific one | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | Ok Moving right along --- | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Spec Reviewes | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | Lets get into some of the specs that are ready to merge and require some minor fixes | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | I presented three specs to the core team for core approvals - | 16:17 |
| lukego | I added my existing spec for the “Snabb NFV” mech driver to the wiki page now btw: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95707/ | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | asomya banix: did you see the comments on your patches? | 16:17 |
| banix | emagana: reviewed the specs (at least this one: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88101/ ) as promissed. I made the requested changes | 16:17 |
| asomya | yes i saw them this morning, i'll address the comments asap | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | asomya: I am trying to get this merged - need you to reply to the comments - so that we can wrap it up | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | emagana: Thanks a ton for jumping in to help | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | lukego: good - I will review it | 16:19 |
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| lukego | (Thanks!) | 16:19 |
| asomya | Sukhdev: Sorry i didn't know it had comments on it | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: you have some comments to address as well | 16:19 |
| banix | lukego: will review | 16:19 |
| banix | Sukhdev: i believe i did address them | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | asomya: it happens :-) | 16:20 |
| banix | Sukhdev: uploaded a new version | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | banix: cool - I will make sure to follow up | 16:20 |
| banix | yeah comments with no votes some times don’t get noticed | 16:20 |
| banix | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | Please be sure to update the wiki | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | Are there any other specs which the team (or the owner) believe it is ready? | 16:22 |
| rcurran | Sukhdev, the cisco_nexus vxlan spec | 16:22 |
| yamamoto | anyone investigated a way to update the wiki mechanically? | 16:23 |
| rcurran | Sukhdev, and l3 service plugin - but i'll wait to discuss this at end of meeting since it's not technically ml2 | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: I looked at it Monday - it was looking good - | 16:23 |
| yamamoto | "gerrit query" can show necessary info. i'm not sure about wiki side. | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: That is a bigger issue - I had a big debate with Mark on this one - lets wait until the end of the meeting | 16:23 |
| rcurran | Sukhdev, also i have a cisco_nexus provider segment spec out for review - we need provider + l3 to get complete parity w/ the core cisco plugin | 16:24 |
| banix | yamamoto: havn’t looked at it; it would be really good if it could be automated at some level at least | 16:24 |
| rcurran | Sukhdev, yeah i saw the openstack-neutron log :-) | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | banix yamamoto: if you can figure out automated way - that will be fantastic - I am not savvy with this kind of stuff :-( | 16:25 |
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| banix | yamamoto: not sure if we can add extensions to the wiki. that could be one way. | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | rcurran: cisco vxlan gateway spec is ready to go? does it have approvals from this team? | 16:26 |
| yamamoto | probably automate gerrit side only and use manual copy-and-paste for wiki side? | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: I will look later today - if, yes, will put it on the list for approvals for next week | 16:27 |
| rcurran | Sukhdev, it had one, needs another (asomya can review) - latest version needs to be reviewed again | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: I will review it as well - others, please jump in | 16:27 |
| asomya | rcurran: will review | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | Anything else on the specs? Any other one? that needs to brought up on the list? | 16:28 |
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| rcurran | yes, anyone interested in vxlan support on external devices would want to look at this and asomya's bp's | 16:28 |
| banix | yamamoto: that would be reasonable step forward | 16:28 |
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| padkrish_ | sukhdev# just would like to add VDP spec is ready to be merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89728/ | 16:29 |
| padkrish_ | #sukhdev# just need to submit a new patch with minor comments addressed | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | padkrish_: good you are here - yours is on the list to ready to go | 16:29 |
| yamamoto | i'll investigate gerrit side if/when i find spare time | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | padkrish_: Akihoro was asking for some clarifications - did you take care of it? | 16:30 |
| padkrish_ | sukhdev# thanks | 16:30 |
| banix | yamamoto: great | 16:30 |
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| padkrish_ | #sukhdev# yes i did.... need to expand on MSDC and privide some references in the new updated spec | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | padkrish_: good | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: can you look at this one as well? This is pretty much ready to go? | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev | OK - anything else on the specs? | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Code Reviews | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron,n,z | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | I browsed through some of the code - but not as much as I wanted to… | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | Please review these as well so that we can get them merged as well | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Third Party Test System requirements | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, there is lot of discussion on this topic on ML | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | The deadline is July 24 - we all are impacted by this | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | make sure to remain on top of this | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | did you guys see this http://stackalytics.com/report/ci/neutron/7 | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | pretty cool.. | 16:36 |
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| mxu | Hi Sukhdev: can you pls elaborate the 7/24 deadline? | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | mxu: It is tied to Juno-2, which is scheduled for 7/24 | 16:37 |
| mxu | Sukhdev: Thanks! | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | Down to last topic - | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | rcurran: so, you saw the discussion between Mark and me | 16:38 |
| rcurran | Sukhdev, yes | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | It turns out there is an issue with partial implementation - your and mine BPs are impacted (along with others) | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | So, we have agreed to have a wider debate with the core team about handling of 501 codes | 16:40 |
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| rcurran | right, not sure what vendor plugins can do for events we can't handle | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | I wil be working with Kyle to get this issue on the agenda towards the later part of July | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: correct - | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: be sure to attend the debate - we need more vendor presence in that debate | 16:41 |
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| rcurran | yeah, i think we'll need to see how kyle feels - as i mentioned earlier - to get complete parity w/ the core cisco plugin (kyle wanted to start deprecated this plugin) we need this plugin | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | I am sure more and more vendors will be having these issues, as the scope of openstack deployments widen | 16:42 |
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| yamamoto | what issues are you talking about? | 16:43 |
| yamamoto | pointer? | 16:43 |
| rcurran | Sukhdev, so was the last interaction w/ you and mmclain/salvatore from that openstack-neutron log | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | rcurran:correct | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto: dealing with partial implementation of L3 plugin | 16:44 |
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| Sukhdev | rcurran: do you have link handy? | 16:44 |
| rcurran | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/%23openstack-neutron.2014-06-27.log | 16:44 |
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| rcurran | start here "2014-06-27T19:47:40 <markmcclain> Sukhdev: ping" | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | yamamoto: here is the link to the bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95910/ | 16:45 |
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| yamamoto | thank you | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: I will try to get on the agenda on 7/21 or 7/27 - keep an eye for it | 16:46 |
| rcurran | basically we need some l3 support for the cisco devices; for the cisco core plugin we processed these events (add_router_interface as ex) right in the core plugin | 16:46 |
| rcurran | we're not suppose to do this under ml2 | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | s/27/28 | 16:46 |
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| rcurran | so Sukhdev, asomya and i have created new services/l3_router plugins to handle these events | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | rcurran: any pointer? | 16:47 |
| rcurran | on? my spec? | 16:47 |
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| Sukhdev | rcurran: oh I misunderstood - I thought you meant you have created a new spec | 16:48 |
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| rcurran | Sukhdev, well i do have a spec for my l3 service plugin - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95910/ | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: yes both yours and asomya specs - | 16:48 |
| banix | rcurran: that is fine; the issues is essentially partial implementation of a given extension | 16:48 |
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| banix | rcurran: right? | 16:48 |
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| rcurran | banix, correct | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | banix is the trouble maker - he started all this and it bubbled up :-):-) | 16:49 |
| rcurran | Sukhdev, apic spec = https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96187/5 | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | just kidding banix | 16:49 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: I felt bad after I saw how it got escelated | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | rcurran: I know he lucked out - went under the radar - but, same issue applies to him as well | 16:50 |
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| rcurran | Sukhdev, yes, seems that way | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | rcurran: hopefully, we will get a good clean resolution - Mark agrees with my view point and he stated to proceed with the implementation | 16:51 |
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| rcurran | Sukhdev, yeah i liked those comments; keep implementing ... but the code might not get in | 16:51 |
| banix | Sukhdev: but this would have been noticed ny Mark at some point; so better if it is early on | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | banix: no worries - I was just joking :-) | 16:51 |
| rcurran | Sukhdev, note that i'm done w/ my code :-) | 16:52 |
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| Sukhdev | rcurran: well, I am no where close to finish line yet :-):-) | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: we have time until Juno-3 | 16:53 |
| banix | it is the journey guys :) | 16:53 |
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| rcurran | Sukhdev, mine was easier to implement since it was already done under the core cisco plugin | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | banix: correct | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | Folks, anything else? | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | We can end early | 16:54 |
| yamamoto | nothing from me | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | going once ---- | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | going twice | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | Gone | 16:54 |
| banix | by everybody | 16:54 |
| banix | bye | 16:54 |
| rcurran | bye | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | Have a great 4th of july | 16:54 |
| yamamoto | good night | 16:54 |
| chuckC | bye | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 2 16:55:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-07-02-16.02.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-07-02-16.02.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-07-02-16.02.log.html | 16:55 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 2 17:04:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | hey | 17:05 |
| betsy | o/ | 17:05 |
| mugsie | whos here? | 17:05 |
| timsim | howdy | 17:05 |
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| eankutse1 | o/ | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-06-25-17.03.html | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | jaycaz1 to investigate filtering on record data via recordsets API endpoint | 17:05 |
| richm | hello | 17:05 |
| mugsie | i think this one was done? | 17:06 |
| mugsie | jaycaz, ? | 17:06 |
| jaycaz | yup, I showed it off at the sprint closing meeting and added documentation | 17:06 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:06 |
| vinod1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102916/ | 17:06 |
| mugsie | mugsie define dependancies for Pool BP - outstanding still - I have something about it to bring up later anway | 17:06 |
| mugsie | mugsie investigate designate mailing list filter | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | i couldn't see what the issue is, but I will get on to someone in -infra about it during the week | 17:07 |
| mugsie | #topic MDNS - Where are we? | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | jmcbride added this? | 17:08 |
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| timsim | ....I told him to be here. | 17:08 |
| vinod1 | I think he is at another meeting now | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | he is not here, does anyone know what details he wanted? | 17:08 |
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| timsim | I think I do | 17:09 |
| mugsie | if he is * | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | cool | 17:09 |
| eankutse1 | I think Vinod made some progress on Notify | 17:09 |
| eankutse1 | as well as some work to read objects from Central | 17:09 |
| timsim | He basically wants to know where we're at in the process, and if our available resources are allocated toward it, and if they aren't, if they should be. | 17:09 |
| timsim | Joe: "The key here is we want to see if server pools can get started without being blocked by us." | 17:10 |
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| eankutse1 | eankutse should get back on MiniDNS in a couple of weeks | 17:10 |
| eankutse1 | - AXFR | 17:10 |
| mugsie | ok, cool | 17:10 |
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| mugsie | eankutse1, thats your next item? | 17:10 |
| eankutse1 | yes - axfr | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | Heya - Sorry I'm late | 17:11 |
| mugsie | great | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | cool - Kiall anything to add on the miniDNS stuff? | 17:11 |
| Kiall | reading | 17:12 |
| vinod1 | For minidns, I am currently working on mdns-designate-mdns-functional | 17:12 |
| Kiall | No, I think we're making steady progress, and I'm hoping I can complete "objects everywhere" soon to make things cleaner + easier | 17:13 |
| Kiall | soon as in the next few days | 17:13 |
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| timsim | Cool. I'll pass that along. | 17:13 |
| Kiall | (having the objects reliably everywhere should make mdns-designate-mdns-functional easier.. right now we have a mix of dict/objects being passed around, making it hard to rely on having the right stuff) | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | great - anything else on this? | 17:14 |
| timsim | Not from me. | 17:14 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:14 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | Shortest agenda yet I think ;) | 17:15 |
| mugsie | anyone have anything for this one? | 17:15 |
| richm | Just for the sake of my curiosity, are any ISC folks here? | 17:15 |
| Kiall | So - For anyone who hasn't heard - we've got space in the Seattle office for a mid-cycle | 17:15 |
| Kiall | richm / rjrjr - are you two likely to join us? | 17:15 |
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| timsim | Kiall: In the Seattle office or the convention center? | 17:16 |
| richm | Kiall: no, I will not be able to attend in person - google hangout only | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | timsim, in the office | 17:16 |
| Kiall | timsim: the office is basiclaly in the convention center ;) | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | basically* | 17:16 |
| mugsie | which is the convention centre | 17:16 |
| mugsie | ah what Kiall said | 17:16 |
| betsy | I’ll be attending via google handout, also | 17:16 |
| timsim | Ok. Just wanted to make sure it's the same address we've got. 800 Convention Pl, Seattle, WA 98101 | 17:16 |
| Kiall | timsim: yep - that's the one | 17:17 |
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| timsim | Alright cool. We got approval so there should be a few of us there. | 17:17 |
| vinod1 | i will attend in person - need to get the travel details worked out though | 17:17 |
| mugsie | sweet | 17:17 |
| Kiall | cool | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | Kiall, you going to send a ML email? | 17:18 |
| Kiall | at least there will be a few people on hangouts rather than just 1 :) | 17:18 |
| timsim | Just for clarity, the plan was a dinner Sunday night, and design stuff Monday and Tuesday morning? | 17:18 |
| eankutse1 | I might be able to attend in person - need to clear one more thing from personal calender | 17:18 |
| eankutse1 | will be certain by Monday | 17:18 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:19 |
| mugsie | I have one thing as well | 17:19 |
| mugsie | We talked about "sub-teams" in austin | 17:19 |
| Kiall | timsim: yea, we do have the room for the sunday too if people are around ;) | 17:19 |
| mugsie | for large sections of work | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | If put togther a few idea, would people be willing to try it for pools? | 17:20 |
| mugsie | ideas* | 17:20 |
| * mugsie cannot the type today | 17:20 | |
| Kiall | ^ more evidence ;) | 17:20 |
| timsim | mugsie: I think it's a good idea | 17:20 |
| vinod1 | #agreed | 17:20 |
| mugsie | cool, I will send out an email later on then with some rough ideas | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Yes, for large things, I think I agree.. | 17:21 |
| mugsie | anyone have anything else? | 17:21 |
| jaycaz | sure | 17:21 |
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| jaycaz | I was looking at expanding the documenation | 17:21 |
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| mugsie | \o/ | 17:21 |
| jaycaz | and I was wondering which areas y'all thought needed the most expansion? | 17:22 |
| Kiall | That's a tough question... Since I think all areas of our docs need work ;) | 17:22 |
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| betsy | Probaby the basic v2 API | 17:23 |
| jaycaz | haha, well how about I focus on v2 stuff for now then? I already started on zones | 17:23 |
| Kiall | But - things like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103891/ are really good - I'm sure there's more we need like that | 17:23 |
| jaycaz | mostly porting over the info from the wiki | 17:23 |
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| jaycaz | Kiall: thanks! I'll look for more areas to look into then | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | While we're on the subject of docs.. Our docs will be on docs.openstack.org - just working through some final kinks though | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | just waiting on some reviews | 17:24 |
| mugsie | (from the docs ppl) | 17:25 |
| Kiall | mugsie got a review up for olsosphinx to make the changes Anne wants, once merged we can probably get them published pretty quick | 17:25 |
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| betsy | nice | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103935/ <-- That change.. | 17:25 |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103935/ | 17:25 |
| mugsie | if anyone is interested | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | anyone have anything else? gripes / questions / rants welcome ;) | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | None from me, other than thanks for starting while I was late ;) | 17:27 |
| mugsie | ok, going to take that as a no | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Ohh | 17:27 |
| Kiall | wait.. 1 thing | 17:27 |
| mugsie | -_- | 17:27 |
| timsim | smh | 17:27 |
| Kiall | So - Obviously HP has kept myself and mugsie VERY busy recently, and at the summit we were able to tell you guys a little bit about what we were doing.. It launched yesterday with Designate at the core https://docs.hpcloud.com/helion/openstack/install-beta/dnsaas/ :) | 17:28 |
| Kiall | (Designate is at the core of OUR piece, not the whole thing ;)) | 17:28 |
| Kiall | Which - if all goes to paln - means we'll see a lot more Designate deployments ;) | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | plan* | 17:29 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:29 |
| betsy | grats guys | 17:29 |
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| eankutse1 | Cool guys :-) ! | 17:29 |
| mugsie | i think that is it for this week - thanks guys! | 17:30 |
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| timsim | Nice. | 17:30 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 2 17:30:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-07-02-17.04.html | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-07-02-17.04.txt | 17:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-07-02-17.04.log.html | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | see you all in #openstack-dns | 17:30 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 2 18:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 18:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:00 |
| iccha | o/ | 18:00 |
| grapex | o/ | 18:00 |
| annashen_ | o/ | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:00 |
| cp16net | |o| | 18:00 |
| esp | o/ | 18:01 |
| kevinconway | o/ | 18:01 |
| schang | o/ | 18:01 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | previous meeting summary at: | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-06-25-18.00.html | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #topic Agenda Items | 18:01 |
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| vipul | o/ | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | One agenda item from the last meeting | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | Action Item* | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | SlickNik to update the dev-docs with build / test process updates. | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | I've started doing this, but still am in the process of trying to iron out devstack / redstack integration. | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | Will propose a patch to the docs this week once that's a bit more final. | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | So I'm going to re-action this item again. | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to update the dev-docs with build / test process updates. | 18:04 |
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| mattgriffin | o/ | 18:04 |
| rueben | o/ | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #topic Per datastore volume support | 18:04 |
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| boden | o/ | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/per-datastore-volume-support | 18:05 |
| iccha | This agenda item has a two fold purpose. As Rueben and me started putting together the proposal for volume support for datastores, there were two schools of thought which we came across. | 18:05 |
| iccha | One believing it belonged to capabilites and other it belonged to the datastore config groups. | 18:05 |
| iccha | I think it would be good precedent, for future features which are considered for capabilities, to discuss in the community whether this feature belongs to configs or to capabilities. | 18:05 |
| iccha | And if it does belong to the later, we might want to discuss how to introduce new capabilities in the trove code base. | 18:05 |
| iccha | The blueprint proposed here is adding volume support on a datastore basis. Currently trove_volume_support config value enables/disables support for volumes for all datastores in trove. | 18:05 |
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| kevinconway | iccha: how you type so fast? | 18:05 |
| grapex | Hey these meetings are supposed to be improv only | 18:06 |
| iccha | kevinconway: i have super powers | 18:06 |
| amrith | cut and paste | 18:06 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:06 |
| vipul | one question i have is.. what's the status of capabilities? | 18:06 |
| robertmyers | seems to me that volume support is not a capability | 18:06 |
| robertmyers | it is a choose | 18:07 |
| robertmyers | choice | 18:07 |
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| iccha | vipul: the api and migration is merged, the management calls to add capabilites are in review | 18:07 |
| grapex | I vote it gets added to the datastore config groups first, via a tiny helper method in the base Instance class called "supports_volumes" | 18:07 |
| grapex | Then if capabilities is ready adding it to check capabilities should be no problem | 18:07 |
| SnowDust | amrith how u knew its cut and paste :) | 18:07 |
| dougshelley66 | vipul: we are working on some of the front end apis for ti | 18:07 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:07 |
| kevinconway | i agree with robertmyers. this is not a capability of a datastore. | 18:08 |
| cp16net | yeah i could see it as a choice for the user because maybe they dont want that setup and they want to use ephemeral disk instead of the volume | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | robertmyers: I think that just might be a nomenclature issues. volume-support was the initial reason that drove capabilities IIRC. Horizon needed some way of knowing if the choice was enabled / disabled. | 18:08 |
| kevinconway | SlickNik: false | 18:08 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, ++ | 18:08 |
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| dougshelley66 | if volume support isn't a capability then i would say we completely missed the boat on capabilities | 18:08 |
| denis_makogon | same for me, seems like capabilities task | 18:08 |
| grapex | SlickNik: There's a big issue I'm observing here, which is that while volume-support drove capabilities, now I have people working on adding the ability to toggle volume support whod on't understand how it will take advantage of capabilities | 18:08 |
| kevinconway | capabilities were first suggested as a way to disable the users call in datastore without users… not to bring up users again | 18:09 |
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| abramley | SlickNik +1 - having this as a capability is needed for Horizon support | 18:09 |
| vipul | yea it's completly fair to tie volume_support and other flags like this to a datastore.. | 18:09 |
| grapex | abramley: How so? | 18:09 |
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| grapex | Is it just so you can query to see if volumes are or are not supported on a given datastore? | 18:09 |
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| robertmyers | so then volumes needs to be a hard coded config setting | 18:10 |
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| robertmyers | it if is needed for horizon | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/capabilities | 18:10 |
| abramley | grapex - since that is a common way for horizon to obtain this information - rather than some other mechanism | 18:10 |
| robertmyers | otherwise you have to enter it in the db every time | 18:10 |
| grapex | abramley: People deploying horizon will know if it is supported or not | 18:10 |
| vipul | hp doesn't run with volume_support, yet Horizon doesn't know better and will show a drop-down for volume_size | 18:10 |
| abramley | If we want to enable / disable UI functionality per datastore - then capabilities should do that | 18:10 |
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| grapex | If this is about the general use case for open stack trove then I say everything should be supported for all of the things | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | abramley, ++ | 18:10 |
| grapex | vipul: can't the hp deployment of Horizon just disable that? | 18:11 |
| robertmyers | abramley: but cant it be driven by a config option? | 18:11 |
| grapex | Trove allows you to, so Horizon should do the same | 18:11 |
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| kevinconway | right now capabilities is a db object not unlike metadata, yes? | 18:11 |
| vipul | sure, but I think we're getting to a point where there actually might be some datastores that we'd like to back with volumes, whereas others we wouldn't | 18:11 |
| abramley | robertmyers - how does that config option get to horizon? we duplicate it in various configuration files ? | 18:12 |
| iccha | and horizon doesnt need to know about trove configs | 18:12 |
| denis_makogon | kevinconway, yes | 18:12 |
| robertmyers | abramley: provide an api to read it | 18:12 |
| robertmyers | I just don't think it need to be in the DB | 18:12 |
| kevinconway | so let's say my datastore doesn't support users or databases, how do i use capabilities to disable those features? | 18:12 |
| abramley | robertmyers - we have an api to read it already if it is a capability | 18:12 |
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| robertmyers | but it *has* to be in everyones setup | 18:13 |
| grapex | abramley: So will Horizon make this call for each datastore to know if it does or does not support volumes everytime? | 18:13 |
| iccha | kevinconway: i think how do we use capabilities or rather introduce capabilities into code base is the next question | 18:13 |
| robertmyers | otherwise the check fails | 18:13 |
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| denis_makogon | kevinconway, with admin rights you would disable users API for given datastore, format of disabling/enabling hadn't been discussed yet | 18:13 |
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| robertmyers | what if you typo adding the capability into your db | 18:13 |
| iccha | denis_makogon: i think kevinconway is refering to first step of adding a given cpaability to the table | 18:14 |
| kevinconway | ok so if nothing is decided on how to use capabilities is it even possible to discuss it as a choice for this BP? | 18:14 |
| SnowDust | robertmyers +1 | 18:14 |
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| grapex | Sounds like what is needed here is an API to see what are acceptable arguments to the create call | 18:14 |
| denis_makogon | kevinconway, ++ | 18:14 |
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| iccha | so folks who were there when capabilities was first discussed did we have a plan of action for how new capabilities would be introduced into code base/database? | 18:14 |
| grapex | Even if we have capabilities all that is going to be is a bag of random settings for each datastore | 18:14 |
| denis_makogon | grapex, that's capabilities for | 18:14 |
| kevinconway | iccha: we originally planned to augment the CONFIG object | 18:15 |
| amrith | I'm confused. Would someone please state the question we're debating? I think there are at least three and the conversation is confusing ;) | 18:15 |
| grapex | Horizon will have to have in-depth knowledge of Trove to know which value to look for in the bag to drive its behavior | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | iccha: IIRC we discussed this at the mid-cycle, and we planned to extend the CONF object. | 18:15 |
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| grapex | amrith: iccha is trying to fix the code so it can support volumes or not support them on a per-datastore basis | 18:15 |
| esmute | i thought capabilities were for optional configs such as volume support etc... or are we going to use it to enable/disable features/api such as users, db? | 18:15 |
| grapex | amrith: And trying to see if she has to use the brand new capability feature or can use the conf file | 18:16 |
| iccha | amrith: thats a good point. (1) what is a capability? is volume support per datastore a capability (2) how are new capabilities introduced in trove | 18:16 |
| robertmyers | config file +1 | 18:16 |
| denis_makogon | +1 to capabilites instead of conf | 18:16 |
| kevinconway | robertmyers: +1 | 18:16 |
| iccha | SlickNik: kevinconway and this config object would be loaded from the database? | 18:16 |
| grapex | What does using the capabilities instead of the conf buy us other than new fun ways to screw up a deployment? | 18:16 |
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| vipul | If you read the capabilities BP.. it's littered with volume_support as the prime example | 18:16 |
| amrith | grapex, iccha thanks. I thought we discussed this in Atlanta (or maybe Austin) and decided we would use capabilities | 18:17 |
| robertmyers | if we add it to capabilities, we need a set of hard coded values | 18:17 |
| kevinconway | iccha: it would have a special object attached to it that did db lookups. like CFG.capabilities.some_stuff | 18:17 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, +! | 18:17 |
| robertmyers | it can't all be driven by db entries | 18:17 |
| amrith | so I'm wondering whether there is a forcing function driving the reconsideration. | 18:17 |
| iccha | kevinconway: SlickNik was it discussed how it would be added to db in first place to ensure consistency? | 18:17 |
| denis_makogon | robertmyers, why? | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | iccha: There was some talk of seeding it from the values in the config files. | 18:18 |
| robertmyers | denis_makogon: so you know which values are accepable | 18:18 |
| kevinconway | capabilities are meant to describe a feature that a _datastore_ can or cannot support. volumes are a part of the nova instance that gets provisioned | 18:18 |
| rueben | denis_makogon: robertmyers: typos in the capability name | 18:18 |
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| grapex | SlickNik: So the capabilities for say volume support, if it wasn't in the db, would come from the config file? | 18:18 |
| robertmyers | how would yo know to set volumes vs volume_support | 18:18 |
| kevinconway | ex: myDataStoreX doesn't support replication. that is a capability | 18:18 |
| denis_makogon | kevinconway, capabilities are not only about what datastore can or not | 18:19 |
| kevinconway | denis_makogon: that is the definition of capability | 18:19 |
| denis_makogon | kevinconway, it's all about resource utilization | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | grapex: It would depend on the implementation, but a fallback approach like that sounds reasonable. | 18:19 |
| grapex | I know somebody talked about using capabilities for volume support ages ago, but here is the problem I want to bring up: it isn't clear how it will be used or if using it will make the feature of disabling volumes on a per-datastore basis any better. So far it seems as though using capabilities will make this more confusing. | 18:19 |
| amcrn | fwiw, since caching is included in the charter of trove, it does make sense to some degree that volume-support is considered a capability for datastores that have no persistence to speak of | 18:20 |
| esmute | i think we should have the BP on capabilities being updated | 18:20 |
| iccha | SlickNik: if the db is loaded from config values, whats the point then | 18:20 |
| rueben | SlickNik: grapex: we could no longer introduce new capabilities via api call correct? Or is there an ask for create via API call? | 18:20 |
| denis_makogon | kevinconway, when caps. came they were only about datastores but for now, it's more that datastores specific things | 18:20 |
| esmute | right now i dont know what a capability is. | 18:20 |
| grapex | For example, there is already code to turn on or off setting a root password on a per-datastore basis which uses the config file that is really simple | 18:20 |
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| SlickNik | kevinconway: iccha, IIRC one of the points mentioned was that you could turn on / off capabilities programmatically | 18:21 |
| grapex | rueben: We could add capabilities via an API call IIRC but the issue is we'd be adding capabilities with random strings for names, but in the code we'd be using non-dynamic string literals. | 18:21 |
| vipul | In my opinion, if there is a requirement to expose wehther something is enable/disabled via an API, it should be a capability -- if not -- then a conf value would suffice | 18:21 |
| amcrn | as far as i understood when it was pitched, capabilities was meant to support the ability to toggle on and off features for a datastore, whether that be because (1) the datastore intrinsically can't support it, or (2) the cloud administrator chooses not to support it | 18:21 |
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| glucas | denis_makogon: kevinconway: "Configuration options, such as whether volume support is enabled..." It's the first line of the BP from 09/2013, doesn't seem like a recent idea. | 18:21 |
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| grapex | vipul: Maybe what we need is an API that just shows a JSON object with a list of things that is and is not supported for a datastore | 18:21 |
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| kevinconway | SlickNik: yes. example: i deploy datastoreX at my company. I want to enable users but disable backups. | 18:21 |
| vipul | for config options that are datastore specific like .. mount_point for example.. wouldn't be a capability.. it's a backend concern | 18:22 |
| grapex | vipul: I think what you and Reach though want is an API that is read only and returns what a user (or control panel) can do | 18:22 |
| vipul | grapex: yep, exactly -- and that was the idea behind capabilities.. at least that's how i understood it | 18:23 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, grapex + | 18:23 |
| grapex | vipul: Maybe we should refocus capabilities on just that then | 18:23 |
| grapex | Also, Freudian slip, Reach==Horizon ;) | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: in its original incarnation this was about the capabilities of a "trove deployment", not necessarily of a particular "datastore". | 18:23 |
| iccha | so i think grapex s question is why cant we return response to the api call based on config values vs db vipul | 18:23 |
| grapex | iccha: Or reinvision capabilities | 18:24 |
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| grapex | as something that just answers the question "what can I do for this particular datastore" | 18:24 |
| robertmyers | or both | 18:24 |
| esmute | vipul: THere is still a difference between datastore-specific features such as backup, users, DB and trove-specific like volume_support... are they all capabilities? | 18:24 |
| vipul | iccha: Yea i don't care where it's stored i suppose | 18:24 |
| robertmyers | check db then config | 18:24 |
| denis_makogon | i'd suggest to reinvision capabilities first, then move on with other things | 18:24 |
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| amcrn | wouldn't it be odd that we introduce a mgmt api to set a conf file? | 18:24 |
| amcrn | hence the drive to have capabilities store the matrix in a table | 18:25 |
| grapex | denis_makogon: Yes. And since using capabilities does not seem to be making the volume work any easier I say for now we go forward and use the config file | 18:25 |
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| denis_makogon | esmute, as for me, caps. are not only things about what datastore can or not | 18:25 |
| robertmyers | amcrn: you'd tuse it to set the db | 18:25 |
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| vipul | esmute: I would think so.. APIs that are supported / not supported would also need to be things that need to be exposed via an API | 18:25 |
| amcrn | if we're using the db, then i'm not understand why capabilities makes understanding volume-support more difficult | 18:25 |
| kevinconway | denis_makogon: should we call it marshmellow instead? that way the word doesn't confuse us? | 18:26 |
| robertmyers | amcrn: can you need to know to set that exact string | 18:26 |
| robertmyers | s/can/because/ | 18:26 |
| esmute | i know we have beaten this horse more than we would like to.. But from what i am getting from this conversation, the following is not a capability | 18:26 |
| esmute | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/cinder-volume-type | 18:26 |
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| grapex | amcrn: Yeah. I am not hearing great reasons why we need to set this stuff in the database except that we had a blueprint to maybe do that months ago | 18:26 |
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| amcrn | the capabilities spec supports a capability default, then a datastore-by-datastore-version ability to override the default, i'm missing how this doesn't solve the problem? | 18:27 |
| vipul | esmute: I would agree -- that's a backend concern that doesn't need to be exposed | 18:27 |
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| cp16net | i agree with grapex | 18:27 |
| cp16net | seems like we are chasing our long lost ghost | 18:27 |
| grapex | Check out this code to figure out if we should return a root password on create: https://github.com/openstack/trove/blob/master/trove/instance/models.py#L593 | 18:27 |
| grapex | It isn't perfect | 18:27 |
| grapex | but it's pretty simple | 18:27 |
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| grapex | I saw that code and wanted to start crying | 18:28 |
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| grapex | We need the same thing for volumes, and I feel like the talk of capabilities is getting in the way of finishing it | 18:28 |
| robertmyers | that is how it should be | 18:28 |
| robertmyers | and it *could* be driven by a db under the hood | 18:28 |
| grapex | So what if iccha did something similar to get_root_on_create, and then if capabilities becomes something we all love we can easily change that one method? | 18:28 |
| cp16net | can we vote it? | 18:29 |
| robertmyers | it if must | 18:29 |
| iccha | yeah thats why i said, just because we thought so is not good enough. any feature which is considered for a capability should be analyzed to see if it is sufficient to be config value | 18:29 |
| amcrn | makes it easier from an operations perspective as well; because you likely already have auditing on conf drift | 18:29 |
| grapex | That way the volume work is not dependent on also fixing capabilities for its first use case | 18:29 |
| vipul | it doesn't solve the problem of someone wanting to know whether it's a supported operation prior to actually invoking the operation | 18:29 |
| kevinconway | did we even have datastore configs when we talked about capabilities? | 18:29 |
| amcrn | vipul: good point | 18:29 |
| iccha | to enable support for a feature its highly likely a deployment is needed when config can be changed amcrn | 18:29 |
| grapex | vipul: You're right. In my opinion we should make a new API call for that or return that info in the datastore version view call | 18:30 |
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| amcrn | grapex: so would capabilities morph into a read-only view call, with the values being set via confs? | 18:30 |
| esmute | An API that returns a matrix? | 18:30 |
| iccha | vipul: yes thats right. and it could be added to the response irrespective of where it is stored | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | So it seems to me that we have different types of "capabilitles" we're talking about here: | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | 1. Don't care about reading through the API : This should be a backend concern, not capability | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | 2. Want to read/discover through the API, but likely read-only: Capability that can be backed by a config entry (eg. volume-support) | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | 3. We want to read/write through the API: Capability backed by entry in db (reasonable to fall back to a conf entry if not defined). | 18:30 |
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| grapex | amcrn: I'd be ok with that | 18:31 |
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| vipul | thanks SlickNik i think thta's a good summary | 18:31 |
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| grapex | vipul SlickNik: Agreed | 18:31 |
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| cp16net | SlickNik: thanks | 18:31 |
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| iccha | well summarized | 18:32 |
| grapex | I'm goof with #2 | 18:32 |
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| grapex | *good | 18:32 |
| grapex | Should we vote? | 18:32 |
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| amcrn | grapex: you'd need a list of conf parameters that are "eligible" to be returned in the view call, but other than that, it should work. | 18:32 |
| amcrn | otherwise you'd return a bunch of junk, unless they're under a special subheader | 18:32 |
| vipul | amcrn: yea some way to change visibility of conf options | 18:32 |
| grapex | I do want to point out though that I think whatever happens, I would like to see the ability to flip volumes on and off go on independent of #2 | 18:32 |
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| vipul | i think the DB would help solve that.. with a conf file.. might get wierd | 18:32 |
| SnowDust | #2 makes sense | 18:33 |
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| robertmyers | 2 +2 | 18:33 |
| rueben | #2 ++ | 18:33 |
| esmute | Isnt #2 solved with docs? | 18:33 |
| grapex | I think in the future if we need new things, and also have an idea for over-arching features to give us those things, we should probably wait until we have one use case implemented first and then make that the first thing we refactor as we implement the new helper feature | 18:33 |
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| kevinconway | grapex: we had several use cases. API features being disabled if not supported | 18:33 |
| iccha | yeah we agree upon #2, but that doesnt define how we want to implement it | 18:33 |
| esmute | i dont understand the need of an API to tell you what features you can or cant use | 18:33 |
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| robertmyers | #3 is good too | 18:34 |
| grapex | esmute: It could be, but I think making a read only API call is easy enough I'll side with vipul on it. | 18:34 |
| robertmyers | so I'm on 2 to 3 | 18:34 |
| grapex | The problem then esmute is in cases like Horizon they have to duplicate the settings | 18:34 |
| iccha | what if we did have a standardized way to add to the capabilities table the capability name entry would that address some of the concerns? | 18:34 |
| amcrn | +1 to grapex, and it will only get worse once flavors-per-datastore gets implemented, etc. | 18:34 |
| dougshelley66 | i assumed that we were talking about supporting all of 1,2 & 3 - and we should adjust the capabilities feature to accomodate | 18:34 |
| vipul | esmute: the reason it needs to be an API is so things like Horizon can render the screen appropriately based on whether something is enabled | 18:35 |
| esmute | ahh ok.. so this is more to help integrate better with other other openstack projects | 18:35 |
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| iccha | SlickNik: if we did have a standardized way to add capabilities to the table, would that help merge #2 and #3? | 18:36 |
| vipul | so if we go with #2, anyone have ideas on how something would be made visible ? | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Yes, that's what I originally meant it as. Not as separate options, but as a whole. | 18:36 |
| SnowDust | even #3 makes sense for admin priviledge(role) | 18:36 |
| kevinconway | i'm confused by numbers... | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Although, I'm good with approaching this incrementally if that would make things easier. | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | Okay time check. | 18:37 |
| iccha | vipul: might have to be explicitly added to datstore show call | 18:37 |
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| grapex | rueben: Is there a public way to view capabilities now (i.e. not the mgmt api?) | 18:38 |
| rueben | no | 18:38 |
| iccha | SlickNik: how about if we did had a short term solution of doing it only via config, and work on defining how it needs to be added to the table and displayed etc | 18:38 |
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| dougshelley66 | yes we are working on capabilities list now | 18:38 |
| grapex | rueben: In that case we should be open to the idea of making a new REST call | 18:39 |
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| dougshelley66 | iccha i assume there is some reason we need this volume support so quickly? | 18:39 |
| amcrn | this is likely divisive, but if the immediate concern is "hey, we have datastore <x> and we really need to change the default on/off behavior of volume-support", why can't we just permit a quick hack via CONF.volume_support_exclusions, unblock some folks, and deprecate that once capabilities lands. | 18:39 |
| grapex | Why not just make this a call to the datastore version view? | 18:39 |
| amcrn | i'm with dougshelley66, i don't see why this is so urgent | 18:39 |
| grapex | amcrn: +100000000000 | 18:39 |
| grapex | That's what I'd like to get buy in for | 18:39 |
| iccha | amcrn: what if we added it to config groups, (similar to volume_support_Exclusions) so it can be in future default for #3 | 18:40 |
| robertmyers | or, we just make capibilties optionally read the config file for the value | 18:40 |
| grapex | I feel like we are blocking real things we have 100% known and understood use cases for so we can make use of this thing that no one here seems to fully understand that isn't 100% finished from an API perspective | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | iccha: I like that idea (I believe robertmyers alluded to it earlier as well). | 18:40 |
| amcrn | iccha: because there's an agreement that configuration-groups should only continue to mirror true configuration-file parameters, not higher level constructs | 18:41 |
| amcrn | otherwise it morphs into "conf file parameters, and other configuration-like options that aren't really set in a file, but cause other side-effects" | 18:41 |
| iccha | amcrn: i meant [mysql] [redis] config group in the conf file | 18:41 |
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| iccha | amcrn: not the configuration groups defined by trove | 18:41 |
| amcrn | ah, my bad ;) | 18:41 |
| robertmyers | iccha: +1 | 18:42 |
| amcrn | i'm ok with iccha's proposal | 18:42 |
| amrith | what's the proposal? | 18:42 |
| amrith | add it to config_groups? | 18:42 |
| iccha | yes amrith, thats the first step while we made a decision on capabilities | 18:42 |
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| vipul | is dougshelley66 also changing the implementation so it reads from the config group? (so we actually ahve a way of exposing the capability)? | 18:43 |
| amrith | may I suggest we set this topic gingerly aside and ask the question about the "decision on capabilities" | 18:43 |
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| amrith | is there some "decision" that needs to be made? | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | amrith: the proposal is to add it to the config file in the appropriate section. If a value for the capability is not defined, we'll fallback to looking in the config file. | 18:43 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, that strikes me as saying that we've embraced the fact that this is a capability | 18:44 |
| vipul | amrith: +1 | 18:44 |
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| dougshelley66 | vipul given this discussion I think we need to update the spec to hopefully get everyone on the same page | 18:44 |
| amrith | and the way capabilities should work is that if something isn't a capability, IT should go look in a config file | 18:44 |
| iccha | SlickNik: amrith also i think its a separate cnversation to decide how we introduce a capability so it has contant name across deployers because the code is going to be looking for it | 18:44 |
| robertmyers | amrith: +1 | 18:44 |
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| esmute | Can someone update the BP to reflect that has been decided today? | 18:44 |
| esmute | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/capabilities | 18:45 |
| esmute | ahh dougshelley66 you beat me to it :P | 18:45 |
| kevinconway | esmute: was anything decided today? | 18:45 |
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| SlickNik | esmute: We haven't decided anything yet. | 18:45 |
| amrith | OK, I have a proposal | 18:45 |
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| SnowDust | SlickNik, why not update to DB but config file at runtime ? | 18:45 |
| amrith | SlickNik, maybe we should table iccha's request till the capabilities BP is updated | 18:45 |
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| amrith | and then discuss the implementation of iccha's proposal. | 18:46 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Can we have a vote to not hold the volumes work hostage until we finish capabilities? | 18:46 |
| esmute | kevinconway: Im as confused as you are... I was hoping the BP will shed some clarity into capabilities :P | 18:46 |
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| amrith | unless someone feels there is an URGENT desire to get volume support implemented right away, post haste, stat ... | 18:46 |
| grapex | amrith: I do. | 18:46 |
| robertmyers | amrith: me too | 18:46 |
| grapex | Also I think we should drive capabilities based on the feature it will support | 18:46 |
| SnowDust | in past i was asked to "fork" when in haste :) | 18:46 |
| vipul | grapex: the only qualm i have with this is we know the right approach is capabilities.. but we're ok with implementing this as a hack | 18:47 |
| iccha | amrith: we do not want to be holding up features unless really necessary which i do not feel is needed in this case | 18:47 |
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| grapex | vipul: I disagree | 18:47 |
| kevinconway | i disagree this is a hack | 18:47 |
| grapex | there is not even an mgmt API for capabilities | 18:47 |
| grapex | Also I wouldn't call this code a hack: https://github.com/openstack/trove/blob/master/trove/instance/models.py#L593 | 18:47 |
| vipul | sounds like dougshelley66 is working on it and it's only a matter of time | 18:47 |
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| dougshelley66 | vipul also rueben, i believe | 18:47 |
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| cp16net | ok | 18:47 |
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| amrith | so folks, I get it that some want to move forward with this. I'm wondering what the driving factor is. maybe if you share we can all get behind it? | 18:48 |
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| grapex | amrith: Some datastores don't need volumes? | 18:48 |
| amrith | so what is getting held up grapex? | 18:48 |
| rueben | dougshelley66: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104011/ | 18:48 |
| grapex | vipul: So you're saying: let's wait and not add these features until capabilities is 100% finished | 18:48 |
| rueben | dougshelley66: that's the current patch | 18:49 |
| grapex | because at the midcycle capabilities was discussed as something that was nearly done | 18:49 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, two more minutes. I want to allow some time for open discussion, and then this conversation can continue in the trove channel. | 18:49 |
| dougshelley66 | rueben, correct. which is a mgmt api for capabilities, right? | 18:49 |
| robertmyers | amrith: we want to offer two db's one with volumes and one without in the same trove instance | 18:49 |
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| grapex | but now it's July and we still are seeing rough spots. I don't get why iccha can't just add a first pass of the work to make volumes togglable | 18:49 |
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| iccha | vipul: amrith why cant we do iterative development in the open | 18:49 |
| iccha | grapex: +! | 18:49 |
| vipul | grapex: No, i'm just saying let's get agreement on how capabilities will be implemented.. and once we have that.. you can move forward with adding it ot the conf (if we agree that capabilites will loko at conf).. your change should fit right in | 18:49 |
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| rueben | dougshelley66: trove management commands for adding/removing capabilities and their overrides | 18:49 |
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| denis_makogon | vipul, +1 | 18:50 |
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| grapex | vipul: I think that will be easier once we have the use cases | 18:50 |
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| rueben | dougshelley66: cli commands | 18:50 |
| kevinconway | vipul: if we're talking about how to implement capabilities, are we also defining what a capability is? | 18:50 |
| grapex | if the concern here is that if we implement volume togglability right now, changing it later will be impossible, I disagree | 18:50 |
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| vipul | kevinconway: i think we went a long way towards doing that today | 18:50 |
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| grapex | vipul: at the expense that we have people who have other work they need to get done who are now blocked | 18:50 |
| rueben | dougshelley66: does also include the underlying logic to do the add/removes | 18:51 |
| iccha | i could not find any documentation on how we envisioned capabilities to be used, i wish it had been a part of the capabilties bp | 18:51 |
| grapex | We shouldn't force independent tasks to be blocked to encourage debate on a feature that I honestly don't see the need for yet. | 18:51 |
| kevinconway | iccha: users! | 18:51 |
| vipul | grapex: Yea I get that.. so let's figure out how we plan to implement capabilities.. since this is an option that we want to expose | 18:52 |
| grapex | If we do that we're only getting discussion because we're causing people frustration. Maybe the end result is in some small way better, but I think we'd be happier as a community and a project if we were more flexible | 18:52 |
| iccha | kevinconway: i did not find any place which explained how it would be used for users, how would a capability be added etc | 18:52 |
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| vipul | grapex: if we agree that looking at a conf file is a good fallback.. then just add it to the conf file.. done | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | Okay, guys. Let's move on to open items, let's circle back to this after the meeting. | 18:52 |
| vipul | the fix will fit right in, once capabilities land | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:52 |
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| grapex | vipul: Ok, +1 | 18:52 |
| cp16net | sounds good | 18:52 |
| grapex | I think we agree | 18:52 |
| denis_makogon | i have one | 18:52 |
| cp16net | i have 2 things | 18:52 |
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| cp16net | go denis_makogon | 18:52 |
| denis_makogon | thanks | 18:52 |
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| denis_makogon | not so long ago oslo.db and oslo.i18n were released, and some of the OS services are already using them | 18:53 |
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| denis_makogon | at last oslo meeting was a talk about Trove and those libs | 18:53 |
| SnowDust | denis_makogon, Yogesh : lets have a talk on vertica datastore patchsets | 18:54 |
| denis_makogon | do we have certain plans to move to oslo.i18n and oslo.db in Juno-2/3 | 18:54 |
| denis_makogon | SnowDust, after meeting | 18:54 |
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| amrith | denis_makogon, is there some feature/aspect that we need? | 18:54 |
| vipul | denis_makogon: sounds like a large port.. | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Is there a reason for the move? | 18:54 |
| denis_makogon | amrith, no features, it's a migration from oslo-incubator code to specific released libs | 18:55 |
| amrith | it was my understanding that the oslo guidelines were that we should not just sync their stuff unless there was a specific benefit provided. | 18:55 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, code is being deprecated and deleted from oslo | 18:55 |
| amrith | denis_makogon, are you saying something will stop working? | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: akaik, the only code being deprecated and removed this cycle is the rpc code. | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | And we are planning to move to oslo.messaging. | 18:56 |
| vipul | SlickNik: +1 | 18:56 |
| denis_makogon | other reason is to up to date, but seems that Trove already uses some legacy/dropped code from oslo | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | Also oslo has a policy of 1 cycle heads up before deprecating / removal. | 18:56 |
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| SlickNik | So if they deprecated something this cycle, they won't remove it until the next one. | 18:57 |
| amrith | cp16net, had two things. I'd say we don't do this unless there is a strong driver for the change. it is a large port. | 18:57 |
| denis_makogon | ok | 18:57 |
| cp16net | #action SlickNik update jenkins: please remove JENKINS_HOME/scm-sync-configuration.*.log files | 18:57 |
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| cp16net | :) | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: will do, thanks! :) | 18:57 |
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| SlickNik | cp16net: go for it. 2 mins | 18:58 |
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| cp16net | and FYI i created a job that should test multiple patches for a blueprint | 18:58 |
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| cp16net | i have not seen it pass yet but it looks like it should work | 18:58 |
| cp16net | #info https://rdjenkins.dyndns.org/job/multi-patch-test | 18:58 |
| cp16net | ok thats it | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: nice work! | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: will take a look at it. | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | but still rdjenkins =) | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | anything else? | 18:59 |
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| SlickNik | #endmeeting trove | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 2 18:59:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-07-02-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-07-02-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-07-02-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | Thanks guys! | 19:00 |
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| grapex | Thanks SlickNik! | 19:00 |
| cp16net | denis_makogon: yeah it is | 19:00 |
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| iccha | thanks SlickNik | 19:00 |
| iccha | good discusion today folks | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | Can we cycle back on the capabilities plan in #openstack-trove, and make sure everyone is on the same page? | 19:00 |
| rueben | wanted to ask about tempest test failures.... | 19:01 |
| rueben | http://logs.openstack.org/11/104011/2/check/check-tempest-dsvm-full/b186146/console.html#_2014-07-02_16_26_32_568 | 19:01 |
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| rueben | ...the only thing that's failing on my patch set 2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104011/ | 19:01 |
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