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| irenab | #startmeeting pci_passthrough | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 1 13:01:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is irenab. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:01 |
| irenab | hi | 13:01 |
| heyongli | hello | 13:01 |
| rpothier | hi | 13:01 |
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| irenab | baoli set an email that he won't attend this this week | 13:01 |
| heyongli | ok | 13:01 |
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| heyongli | do you know is all patch sent out for revie？ | 13:02 |
| irenab | rpothier, heyongli: hi | 13:02 |
| heyongli | review | 13:02 |
| irenab | rpothier: can you please update on patches status | 13:02 |
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| heyongli | irenab does all patch ready？ | 13:03 |
| rpothier | I have one patch out, it's updated from review comments | 13:03 |
| heyongli | how about baolis patch？ | 13:03 |
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| rpothier | I didn't get a latest status on that | 13:04 |
| heyongli | i will check all patch tomorrow | 13:04 |
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| irenab | heyongli: according to baoli email, he has more to upload and he works on unit tests | 13:04 |
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| heyongli | ok i get that also | 13:05 |
| irenab | any issues, items we want to discuss? | 13:05 |
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| heyongli | i dont have much to talk but one question | 13:05 |
| heyongli | doyou find the way share Intel nic code? | 13:06 |
| irenab | I am currently focused on HW_VEB neutron agent implementation, with planning to review nova patches rpothier and baoli push | 13:06 |
| irenab | heyongli: as I understand it, both HW_VEB and Cisco ML2 mechanism drivers are going to support Intel NIC | 13:07 |
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| heyongli | do you have any comment on support intel nic ? | 13:07 |
| irenab | I guess once we push the code for review, we will see if need to reuse some code it is not so relevant | 13:08 |
| heyongli | i happy to know anything | 13:08 |
| irenab | heyongli: for binding there is no question, it will work with hostdev network interface and vlan_id via libvirt domain XML | 13:09 |
| heyongli | do you mean your netron patch ok? | 13:09 |
| irenab | heyongli: yes | 13:09 |
| heyongli | could you link it here? | 13:09 |
| irenab | I do have question if Intel NIC supposts per VF state management (UP/DOWN)? | 13:10 |
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| irenab | I plan to support it for Mellanox NIC and need to see if applicable for Intel as well | 13:10 |
| heyongli | irenab let me check this then | 13:10 |
| heyongli | email you | 13:10 |
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| irenab | Thanks. Also the question for 3rd party testing on Intel NIC | 13:11 |
| heyongli | we plan to setup hw ci | 13:11 |
| heyongli | on going | 13:12 |
| irenab | heyongli: great, so actually you will be able to bring the environment including the HW_VEB Mech Driver on top compute with Intel NIC, right? | 13:12 |
| heyongli | we try to cover | 13:13 |
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| irenab | We also have here the challange how to test it, since we now use baoli's POC code for nova | 13:13 |
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| heyongli | we | 13:14 |
| irenab | need to see how to apply all patches that come instead of POC | 13:14 |
| heyongli | can discuss offline it long | 13:14 |
| irenab | heyongli: great, will try to find you tomorrow on IRC to chat | 13:15 |
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| heyongli | ok | 13:15 |
| irenab | any other topics to cover? | 13:15 |
| heyongli | i dont have more | 13:16 |
| irenab | I guess we all now focused on implementation and patches to upload | 13:17 |
| irenab | so back to work :-)? | 13:17 |
| heyongli | short meeting then? if any i can help ping me | 13:17 |
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| irenab | see you for update next week | 13:18 |
| irenab | #endmeeting | 13:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 1 13:18:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-07-01-13.01.html | 13:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-07-01-13.01.txt | 13:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-07-01-13.01.log.html | 13:18 |
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| irenab | thank you, bye! | 13:18 |
| heyongli | bye | 13:18 |
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| malini1 | #startmeeting marconi | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 1 15:03:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is malini1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| sriram1 | o/ | 15:03 |
| malini1 | flaper87: how do I make you the chair? | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:03 |
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| flaper87 | malini1: #chair NICK | 15:03 |
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| malini1 | #chair flaper87 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: flaper87 malini1 | 15:04 |
| malini1 | I need to unchair me now :D | 15:04 |
| malini1 | #unchair malini1 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: flaper87 malini1 | 15:04 |
| malini1 | tht didnt work :D | 15:04 |
| sriram1 | lol | 15:04 |
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| flaper87 | hey hey :D | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | who's around? | 15:04 |
| malini1 | o/ | 15:04 |
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| sriram1 | \o o/ | 15:04 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:05 |
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| prashanthr_ | Good morning :) | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | so, lest start with some status updates | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | #topic status | 15:06 |
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| flaper87 | #undo | 15:06 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Status Updates | 15:06 |
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| flaper87 | prashanthr_: want to start? | 15:06 |
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| flaper87 | malini1: want to start? Anything on your plate? | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | (pop, gate) | 15:07 |
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| sriram1 | malini1 just stepped away, she should be back real soon. | 15:07 |
| sriram1 | and here she comes. | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: then you won the prize | 15:07 |
| malini1 | :D | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | oh ok | 15:07 |
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| * flaper87 waits patiently | 15:07 | |
| malini1 | Tempest update! | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | malini1: go ahead | 15:07 |
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| malini1 | the last outstanding patch is merged now | 15:08 |
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| sriram1 | woot!! | 15:08 |
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| flaper87 | w0000000000000t | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | malini1: link ? | 15:08 |
| malini1 | We now have coverage for all positive tests for v1 API in Tempest now | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | (just to have it in the logs) | 15:08 |
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| malini1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94944/ | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | malini1: great work malini1 | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | thanks | 15:08 |
| malini1 | it is more of loooong work :D | 15:08 |
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| flaper87 | hehe, it's even better | 15:09 |
| malini1 | The next tempest stuff we have to tackle is the CLI tests - but tht 'should' not be a grad req | 15:09 |
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| flaper87 | malini1: correct | 15:09 |
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| * flaper87 finds that weird but he won't argue | 15:09 | |
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| malini1 | flaper87: better don't argue with me ;) | 15:10 |
| malini1 | tht's all I have | 15:10 |
| sriram1 | haha | 15:10 |
| * flaper87 will never argue with malini1 | 15:10 | |
| flaper87 | malini1: awesome, thanks! | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: you're enxt | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | next | 15:10 |
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| sriram1 | Ok, so with benchmarking. | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | what's up with benchmarks? | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | LD | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:10 |
| sriram1 | I'm ressurecting the previous benchmarking environment. | 15:11 |
| sriram1 | and have spoken with Aazza, she would be doing a reporting patch using the current tool. | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: sweeeeet, I was going to ask about that | 15:11 |
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| flaper87 | #info sriram1 is setting up a benchmark environment and he's working with Aazza on the benchmark tool | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | great news | 15:12 |
| sriram1 | could people look at the current patch again? flaper87: I replied to your comment there. | 15:12 |
| sriram1 | and also https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/api-v1.1-treat-missing-queue-as-empty | 15:12 |
| sriram1 | I think we can mark this as completed. | 15:12 |
| sriram1 | lazy queue create takes care of this. | 15:12 |
| sriram1 | I tested it. | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: ok, I'll do that | 15:12 |
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| flaper87 | it's weird, we've duplicated blueprints | 15:13 |
| sriram1 | that's all from me. | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | sounds like we felt bad for not having enough BPs | 15:13 |
| sriram1 | lol | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | flaper87 you're next | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | oh look, I'm next | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | Yes, flaper87. You're next | 15:13 |
| * flaper87 stops doing that | 15:13 | |
| flaper87 | so, I've been working on flavors, I've a patch for the API almost ready | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | I've already submited the patches for the backend side (just mongodb) | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | and they need some reviews :D :D :D | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | so please, take a look to those patches when you guys get a chance | 15:14 |
| malini1 | ok ! | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | After the flavors work, I'll probably start working on the queue migrations thing | 15:14 |
| sriram1 | +1 | 15:14 |
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| flaper87 | Btw, do you guys have some info about the notifications work? | 15:15 |
| malini1 | not me | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | ok, I'll ping kgriffs and balaji | 15:15 |
| sriram1 | nope, probably kurt does. | 15:15 |
| prashanthr_ | Can i share a brief update about my redis driver ? | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | prashanthr_: absolutely. FWIW, I pingged you first and you ran away | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:16 |
| sriram1 | sure prashanthr_! | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | prashanthr_: your turn | 15:16 |
| prashanthr_ | he he yeah my internet is flipping like crazy tonight | 15:16 |
| prashanthr_ | Yeah I finished my controllers for claims | 15:16 |
| prashanthr_ | catalogue and pools | 15:16 |
| prashanthr_ | over the weekend | 15:17 |
| prashanthr_ | incorporating the comments over the first review | 15:17 |
| prashanthr_ | I also wrote the test cases | 15:17 |
| prashanthr_ | for the same | 15:17 |
| prashanthr_ | just wanted to ask If i had to wait for the queue and message controllers to be merged before submitting the other controllers | 15:17 |
| prashanthr_ | or start up with the others as well ? | 15:18 |
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| flaper87 | prashanthr_: you can submit them all, just make sure the dependencies are correct on gerrit | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | you do that by ordering your commits in the right way | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | (which I think you've done already) | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | also, try to compact everything in few commits | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | if possible | 15:19 |
| prashanthr_ | yes i have done that. Sure i will take a note of that | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | does that make sense? | 15:19 |
| prashanthr_ | should not be more than 4 commits | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | ok | 15:19 |
| prashanthr_ | for the driver + test cases | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | cool | 15:19 |
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| prashanthr_ | that's all i had to share :) | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | sounds perfect, I've heard malini1 charges 100$ for each review after the fourth patch | 15:19 |
| cpallares | lol | 15:20 |
| sriram1 | its randomized I think | 15:20 |
| malini1 | I recently changed my rates to be after every 3rd patch ;) | 15:20 |
| sriram1 | or is it weighted? | 15:20 |
| sriram1 | :P | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | LOL | 15:20 |
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| flaper87 | so, moving on | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | #info Marconi's py33 gate is now voting | 15:20 |
| malini1 | woooooot aazza!! | 15:21 |
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| sriram1 | thats great news :D :D | 15:21 |
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| flaper87 | TBH, I don't have many things to discuss today. | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | #topic TC checkpoint | 15:21 |
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| malini1 | tht is a critical one! | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | FYI, we've started to discuss some of the open points with our TC representative | 15:21 |
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| malini1 | Do we have any feedback from our TC rep ? | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | There are still some concerns related to the last post I wrote - yeah, yeah. I'M SORRY - but we're working on clearing them out | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | malini1: ^ | 15:22 |
| malini1 | flaper87: concerns regarding AMQP? | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | malini1: yeah, mostly. Mainly regarding databases | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | There are some concerns about the API (like random access to messages) but that's not a big deal | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | we've already discussed getting rid of that | 15:24 |
| malini1 | flaper87: do we need to work on addressing those, before we can get to the TC calendar? | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | but doing so requires a major release | 15:24 |
| * vkmc waves | 15:24 | |
| malini1 | vkmc: o/ | 15:24 |
| vkmc | malini1, \o | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | malini1: FWIW, he's our TC meeting, basically. We'll have one full-TC meeting sometime in July/August | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | does that make sense? | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: 'sup girl? | 15:24 |
| malini1 | flaper87: does our rep discuss with the entire TC abt Marconi in their meetings? | 15:25 |
| malini1 | I am just worried if somebody else has a concern we dont know about | 15:25 |
| vkmc | flaper87, yo o/ | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | I expect so, yes. | 15:25 |
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| malini1 | Pleasing a committee is hard <sigh> | 15:26 |
| malini1 | it is like a patch review times 1000 :( | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | Well, the concerns are more related to the community and impact. all other concers should be discussed in the mailing list | 15:26 |
| sriram1 | error : XML not well-formed :P | 15:26 |
| malini1 | sriram1: :D | 15:26 |
| malini1 | <sigh/> | 15:26 |
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| flaper87 | ok, lets get some updates from vkmc | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | #topic Updates | 15:27 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: ? | 15:27 |
| vkmc | ! | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: could you update the team with your latest work? | 15:27 |
| vkmc | well I'm working on adding support for AMQP in the transport layer | 15:28 |
| vkmc | adding it will require some big changes on the way we are handling things in the current Marconi API | 15:28 |
| vkmc | since we are mostly focused on WSGI | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | you mean in the structure, probably | 15:29 |
| vkmc | exactly yes :) | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | ok | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | cool | 15:30 |
| vkmc | yesterday I managed to set up the AMQP server, and I'll be working today on messages interchange | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | thanks | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | AWESOME | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | is that up on github already? | 15:30 |
| vkmc | no, I'll upload it soon | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | awesome, thanks a lot | 15:31 |
| vkmc | btw, should I upload it to Gerrit as WIP? for other devs to check it out | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | sure, that sounds good | 15:31 |
| vkmc | right now I'm working on an isolated repo | 15:31 |
| vkmc | cool | 15:31 |
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| flaper87 | ok | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | I don't see any other outstanding thing that needs to be discussed today so | 15:33 |
| vkmc | flaper87, thanks :) | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:33 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | o.0 | 15:33 |
| malini1 | none from me | 15:33 |
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| flaper87 | holy crap, that took it some time to process | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: vkmc prashanthr_ anything oyu guys want to discuss? | 15:33 |
| sriram1 | I'm good | 15:33 |
| prashanthr_ | nothing from my side. | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | ok, thanks guys. This was a quick and simple meeting. Great work everyone, lets keep it up | 15:34 |
| vkmc | I'm good too :) | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 15:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 1 15:34:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-07-01-15.03.html | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-07-01-15.03.txt | 15:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-07-01-15.03.log.html | 15:34 |
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| prashanthr_ | thanks flaper87 :). | 15:35 |
| prashanthr_ | thanks everyone, | 15:35 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 1 16:01:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-07-01_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:01 |
| roshanagr | Roshan Agrawal | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
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| tomblank1 | tom blankenship | 16:01 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 16:01 |
| noorul | Noorul Islam | 16:01 |
| aratim | Arati Mahimane | 16:01 |
| muralia | Murali Allada | 16:02 |
| ravips | Ravi Sankar Penta | 16:02 |
| james_li | james li | 16:02 |
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| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | welcome everyone! | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| datsun180b | we're a big enough team that we'd have a hard time fitting into the same A-Team van now | 16:03 |
| stannie42 | Pierre Padrixe | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | ;-) | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | It's summer. | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto will be on vacation, and will miss the 2014-07-15 and 2014-07-22 team meetings. Tom Blankenship (tomblank1) has agreed to act as interim chair for those meetings. | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | I will be working a little while I'm away, so if something important is happening, email me. | 16:04 |
| roshanagr | good vacations, Adrian | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | The exact dates are July 11-24. | 16:04 |
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| datsun180b | sounds like fun | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | other announcements from team members? | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | I ahve one more | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | we now have a calander feed for team meetings | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | an ical calendar | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | if you want "normal" calendar invites, for notices about cancellations, etc, let me know by PM that you want to be invited to the meetings | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | otherwise, you are welcome to subscribe to the feed. | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | I will send a link to the feed URL to the ML, because I don't have it handy. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | other announcements? | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's dive in. | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | Review Action Items | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni to work with adrian_otto to document the LP development approach in BP+task+wiki to clearly outline our approach, and how it solves each use case. (COMPLETE) | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | we have a spec in review for this now | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: do you have a link for that handy? | 16:07 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103689/ | 16:07 |
| roshanagr | I have a question on the custom language pack approach | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103689/ Custom Language Pack Spec | 16:08 |
| devkulkarni | roshanagr: listening | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: proceed | 16:08 |
| roshanagr | will it support source code to build specification, for example if an app develper wants to write custom language pack for C++ | 16:08 |
| devkulkarni | roshanagr: yes, it will. | 16:08 |
| devkulkarni | app developer would provide a Dockerfile with g++ installation instructions | 16:09 |
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| roshanagr | devkulkarni: good. just wanted to confirm. | 16:09 |
| datsun180b | haha, i still have a word in my highlights | 16:09 |
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| roshanagr | the spec needs to call it out though | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I need to glance to confirm if we had other action items | 16:09 |
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| devkulkarni | do it swiftly ;) | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | nope, that one was the only one | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Tasks | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/juno-2 Juno Development Tasks | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | Private git repo integration (ravips) | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | •#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/support-private-github-repos Private Repo Blueprint | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | •#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1319604 Private Repo Feature Task | 16:11 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1319604 in solum "Improvement: Add support for private GitHub repos" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | ravips: could you update us on this? | 16:11 |
| ravips | sure, I have implemented the task last week..need to do some more testing | 16:11 |
| ravips | I will submit code or review sometime today or tomorrow | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | do you have a WIP review? | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so one ask from the team, we would like visibility into code that you are working on | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | even if it's not merge quality yet | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | you can mark it as workflow-2 | 16:12 |
| ravips | I don't have yet but I can create one now | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | and put WIP in the subject | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | and we can get some perspective into your current work, and potentially help you with steering | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | that way we get better clarity early, and potentially less rework if the approach is questioned by the team | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | or if maybe you need any guidance that we may be able to help with | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks. | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | Other questions on this from the team? | 16:13 |
| ravips | yes, I agree..will create WIP for review | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks ravips | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | Are there other work tasks that team members would like to request updates for? I will cover the high level topic of Pipelines in a moment when we get to BP review (I will switch the order of this in the agenda for future meetings) | 16:15 |
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| devkulkarni | any updates on chained trusts? | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | Chained trusts (julienvey, asalkeld) | 16:16 |
| noorul | Is there a hard rule that a spec should be approved before submitting code? | 16:16 |
| PaulCzar_ | sorry I’m late! team standup stuff | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: you can submit WIP code against a spec review. | 16:16 |
| devkulkarni | noorul: I don't think we should put a hard rule for spec approval before submitting code. It will slow down our development.. | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | but if a spec is still under discussion, we should not merge associated code without consensus on the design | 16:17 |
| julienvey | they discussed chained trust in heat team meeting today | 16:17 |
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| julienvey | they have the same issues with Heat -> Ceilometer | 16:17 |
| julienvey | So they are actively working on it | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: is there anything that Solum team can do to help? | 16:18 |
| julienvey | angus is already helping them | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | julienvey: ok, thanks for the update. | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | julienvey: one question… do you feel that we are close to completion there, or is there a lot of work remaining? | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | asalkeld indicated last week that he thought it was close. I just wanted to see if that's still our perception. | 16:19 |
| julienvey | it seems there is still some work :( | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | and that's work in Keystone, right? | 16:20 |
| julienvey | but angus might know more than I do | 16:20 |
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| julienvey | both keystone and heat | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 16:20 |
| julienvey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99908/ | 16:21 |
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| devkulkarni | julienvey: thanks for the link | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/99908 Spec for trusts redelegation | 16:22 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: What is the reason for abandoning https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101019/ ? | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | I encourage Solum reviewers to take a look at that, and provide input | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: the 101019 was a duplicate of one that julienvey posted | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | I should have put the link to it in my abandon message, sorry. | 16:23 |
| noorul | more over the bp should be updated | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | I can do that right now | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, BP updated. | 16:25 |
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| noorul | adrian_otto: Thank you! | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | #tpic Blueprint Discussion | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint Discussion | 16:26 |
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| julienvey | the reason was given in a previous comment | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | Subject: Pipelines | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | So, as our reviewers have notice, we have a log jam in our review queue | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | lots of code that relies on mistral, but none of our gate tests pass. | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | I want to explain why this is happening, and how we will solve it | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | we are listed in openstack/requirements/projects.txt | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | This means that we use the same requirements as OpenStack | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | the reason for this is so Solum can be installed on the same servers as OpenStack, and conflicting requirements form pypi will not cause us to break OpenStack | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | the way this protection works is that openstack mirrors the content in pypi that is listed in openstack/requirements/global-requirements.txt | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | if the library is not in the list, you can not use it, and can not pass gate… as long as your project is listed in projects.txt | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | so, I submitted a review asking for python-mistralclient to be added to that list. | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | that ended up with a -2 | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | I also proposed reviews for changing the way the mirroring works for stackforge projects. | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | I ended up abandoning those reviews in favor of adding python-mistralclient to global-requirements.txt | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | following this so far? The good news is coming in a moment. | 16:31 |
| devkulkarni | :) .. what is it? | 16:31 |
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| PaulCzar_ | holding my breath with anticipation! | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | Monty Taylor (morgred) contacted me yesterday and explained a plan to enhance openstack-ci for stackforge projects | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | they worked on it over the weekend | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | it would allow us to stay in projects.txt, and we would not need to submit anything for review to use it from pypi | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | we could add anything we want to our own projects.txt and use it | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni | so this is similar in spirit to stackforge-requirements.txt that you had proposed? | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | the solution works by mirroring *all* of pypi.python.org on pypi.openstack.org | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes, it's the functional equivalent of that | 16:34 |
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| datsun180b | _any_thing on pypi.python you say | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | there is a downside that I would like you all to think about | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | I will do my best to explain my concern, and ask you for your creativity to address it | 16:34 |
| noorul | I remember doing this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80980/ | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | the reason for locking OpenStack projects to a fixed list of requirements is so they all work together | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | Say openstack projects use requirements A-D | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | and we ask for requirement E | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | and that loads requirements F-H | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | and an *incompatible* version of requirement A | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | so that Openstack breaks when it starts because requirement A has broken it | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | what options can we think of to mitigate this risk? | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | My initial thinking here is that we should find a way to test for that | 16:37 |
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| PaulCzar_ | adrian_otto: functional test gates would test that by default simply because devstack will fail … right ? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | but is there a better solution? Maybe something that compares the global-requirements.txt and our requirements.txt and the state of what the pypi tool loaded compared to those? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar_: yes, for bits of OpenStack that we use | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | but let's say for example that we do not use Cielometer, but we break it | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | how can we avoid that situation? | 16:38 |
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| julienvey | let's just be carefull with the new requirements we approve for merge | 16:39 |
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| devkulkarni | actually that brings another issue.. lets say we use something which is not approved yet by openstack-infra | 16:39 |
| datsun180b | we might figure out a way to build a venv that pulls in all the requirements, and then compares freeze to make sure all the OS requirements are still met | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | when it comes to incubation we would have to rewrite our stuff | 16:39 |
| PaulCzar_ | but isn’t that handled by having all the important stuff in global requirements from oslo ? install global-requirements first, then try to install our requirements … fail if can’t. that’s probably doable in tox with a virtualenv | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | or do we that time try to get our libraries into global-requirements? | 16:40 |
| datsun180b | just in case there's a conflict up the chain | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar_: I learned something about pypi yesterday | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | let's say that global requirements call for foo >= 1.2 | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | and we require bar => 1.0, which in turn requires foo >= 1.3 | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | and foo 1.3 works for us, but not for openstack | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | pypi would allow that. | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | it does not necessarily insist that you have the most recent version of something | 16:42 |
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| datsun180b | so long as you're between the goalposts | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | and if the gate job hosts have a copy of foo 1.2 on them, then openstack gate jobs will not bother to load 1.3 | 16:42 |
| devkulkarni | seems like correct behavior on pypi's part | 16:42 |
| PaulCzar_ | adrian_otto: I see similar issues all the time with rubygems. it’s up to the individual projects to be specific enough about their versions that that can’t happen | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | so I'd like you all to think on this a bit | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm tempted to just accept the risk and move on | 16:43 |
| paulmo | Could we parse the full dependency tree and identify version conflicts at the start of the gate? | 16:43 |
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| PaulCzar_ | i.e. global-requirements *should* say foo >= 1.2, foo < 1.3 | 16:43 |
| datsun180b | risk is worth being able to use mistralclient | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | but if any of you think of a clever way to deal with this… awesome | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar_: exactly | 16:43 |
| datsun180b | we can administer our own wrist-slaps when we break our gate or env | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | it's the unknown incompatibility situation | 16:44 |
| datsun180b | well it's not our fault if bar's requirement is foo==1.2 and not foo>=1.2 like they claim | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | idea… what if we had a post-merge CI job that wold run a full integration test of OpenStack on the built host after setting up our own requirements? | 16:44 |
| PaulCzar_ | datsun180b: doesn’t matter who’s fault …we just want to keep shit working | 16:45 |
| datsun180b | fair enough | 16:45 |
| noorul | Maybe mistral should also move to be part of projects.txt | 16:45 |
| PaulCzar_ | adrian_otto: sounds reasonable … basically do a full tempest run post-merge ? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: that would not solve the current concern, but it would be wise for them to do. | 16:45 |
| devkulkarni | why post-merge? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | post merge because we don't want it to slow us down | 16:46 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: in that csae we can rely on their pypi package | 16:46 |
| PaulCzar_ | devkulkarni: takes a long time! doesn’t need to be addressed immediately, as long as its before a release is cut | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | that full integration test might take a really long time, and is not giving us direct value | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar_: ++ | 16:46 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: we can assume that it will definitely run well on openstack | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, we have a few more agenda items to touch on | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | so please continue to think on this | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni | how will it still tell us if we are breaking projects that we don't have tempest tests for? | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni | okay | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | (ed-cranford/datsun180b): Spec repo: put mock request/responses at top of document | 16:47 |
| datsun180b | oh that | 16:48 |
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| datsun180b | i've been working on a spec of my own and after writing a short novella i realized all that prose was for nothing without some hard examples to start thinking about | 16:48 |
| datsun180b | so i wanted to suggest some kind of Proposed Request/Response section and put it pretty far north in the spec | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: should we update the spec template to put a placeholder for examples | 16:49 |
| datsun180b | that's what I'm suggesting | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | fine with me. Other thoughts? | 16:49 |
| datsun180b | obviously we already can put them in the document in a relevant section, and not every spec will need it | 16:49 |
| datsun180b | maybe lock down a specific format to denote that the proposal is essentially a diff | 16:50 |
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| datsun180b | for example, adding a field to an extant response | 16:50 |
| datsun180b | can't think of anything clearer than +/- prefixes like diff again | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | you could include a link to a WIP that you intentionally abandon | 16:51 |
| datsun180b | the gate wards would never go for that | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | let's experiment with it a bit to get some practical examples of where this worked well | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | so maybe you try it out in yours | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | and submit a review against the template for a placeholder for that, using your spec as an example justifying the change. | 16:52 |
| datsun180b | re some recent dev list talk, it might also help as a litmus test for "maybe you don't need a spec for that after all" | 16:52 |
| datsun180b | i can do that | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | right | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni | about not requiring spec for everything.. | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni | there is an ongoing discussion on the ML about it | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | if you can fully convey the concept in a crisp diff, then a spec may be overkill | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | but if what you want to do requires explanation beyond what fits nicely in a patch… then a spec makes sense. | 16:53 |
| datsun180b | basically what i'm trying to do is weasel out of having to understand these reviews before i rubberstamp them all +1 /s | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | I will pretend I did not see that | 16:54 |
| devkulkarni | me too!! | 16:54 |
| noorul | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:54 |
| datsun180b | slash-s is sarcasm | 16:54 |
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| devkulkarni | :) | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | aha | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks datsun180b. Anything further on this topic? | 16:55 |
| datsun180b | no, thanks. my motivation is clarity through brevity in our specs | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| noorul | julienvey: Do you think build fram should be discussed? | 16:55 |
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| julienvey | noorul: I don't have much to say since last week | 16:56 |
| julienvey | some specs in review | 16:56 |
| paulmo | Just noting that I created a Mistral DSL and Heat template parser which can pull in all required user input necessary to run a Mistral Execution. I'll put a WIP in the horizon plugin repo shortly. Might be handy for the control plane as well. | 16:56 |
| noorul | Oops I have to read those logs | 16:56 |
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| PaulCzar_ | I’ve put in a bit of thought on becoming friendlier for new users ( in any persona ) and started to throw together a spec for it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103937/2/specs/juno/new_users.rst | 16:57 |
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| PaulCzar_ | some of the stuff I’ve suggested might be contraversial like having a Vagrantfile and Dockerfile in the main solum repo | 16:57 |
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| PaulCzar_ | it’s marked WIP right now, but I’d like to open discussion over some of it | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | Btw that reminds me of something we had discussed before.. wasn't there supposed to be a contributors.txt or something? | 16:58 |
| julienvey | PaulCzar_: I can't access https://github.com/rackerlabs/cookbook-openstack-solum | 16:58 |
| noorul | devkulkarni: and consensus was to to not have one | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | noorul: oh okay. did not remember what was the decision | 16:59 |
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| devkulkarni | same here PaulCzar_ | 16:59 |
| datsun180b | that's because it's not -solum it's -paas | 16:59 |
| datsun180b | https://github.com/rackerlabs/cookbook-openstack-paas how now | 17:00 |
| PaulCzar_ | yeah -paas … | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://github.com/rackerlabs/cookbook-openstack-paas | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | catch you next week | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| tomblank1 | thanks... | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 1 17:00:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-07-01-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-07-01-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-07-01-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| katyafervent__ | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 1 17:01:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is katyafervent__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
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| katyafervent__ | Hi Murano guys! Who is here? | 17:01 |
| dteselkin | Hi :) | 17:01 |
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| dteselkin | Hmmm | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:02 |
| dteselkin | Can't believe there is nobody else | 17:02 |
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| katyafervent__ | Let's wait for a couple minutes | 17:02 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 17:02 |
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| katyafervent__ | We have no action items from the previous meeting | 17:04 |
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| katyafervent__ | so let's go through the agenda | 17:04 |
| katyafervent__ | #topic horizon/dashboard/selenium tests research | 17:04 |
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| katyafervent__ | That's on me and I realized it just now) | 17:05 |
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| katyafervent__ | So let postpone it for the next week. We have plan to move our functional tests from murano ci to openstack Jenkins | 17:06 |
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| katyafervent__ | #action Katya to provide an update on horizon/dashboard/selenium tests research | 17:06 |
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| katyafervent__ | #topic Current state of Murano testing | 17:07 |
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| gokrokve | Hi. This is a short week in US. So a lot og guys just took PTO for the whole week. | 17:07 |
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| gokrokve | s/og/of | 17:07 |
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| katyafervent__ | Ok. we do not have a lot of items in meeting agenda | 17:07 |
| katyafervent__ | so does anybody have something to say about unit test progress? | 17:08 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent__, btw, I've starting to examine, how unit testing is done in openstack_dashboard | 17:08 |
| stan_lagun | I have very good one. But nothing committed yet :) | 17:08 |
| tsufiev | (today) | 17:08 |
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| katyafervent__ | stan_lagun, tell us more about your powerful testing framework | 17:09 |
| stan_lagun | Currently 63 tests with 84% coverage of dsl package | 17:09 |
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| stan_lagun | No that powerful. Just a set of helper classes that simplify building of Object Model and working with MuranoPL code like it was written in Python | 17:10 |
| katyafervent__ | tsufiev, ok let's cooperate on that tomorrow cause I also started to look) | 17:10 |
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| tsufiev | katyafervent__, sadly, it's a real mess :( | 17:11 |
| katyafervent__ | stan_lagun, so it would be easy to write tests while adding new classes to MuranoPL, right? | 17:11 |
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| tsufiev | i've spent about an hour (or more) trying to understand what's happening | 17:11 |
| stan_lagun | Yes. It has special class loader that allows to combine Python Unit Tests with demo MuranoPL classes just for the test | 17:12 |
| katyafervent__ | tsufiev, that's sad | 17:12 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent__, in 2 words: they mox everything except SUT (system under test) | 17:12 |
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| katyafervent__ | stan_lagun, great! | 17:12 |
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| katyafervent__ | #topic Current status of murano-ci | 17:13 |
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| tsufiev | katyafervent__, and this mox-ed things are spread into several classes, making them hard to grasp | 17:14 |
| katyafervent__ | tnurlygayanov, are you here? do have an update on murano-ci? | 17:14 |
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| katyafervent__ | dteselkin, do you know about murano-ci update? | 17:16 |
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| dteselkin | Well, I know that we have some progress on moving CI but don't know what exactly :( | 17:17 |
| katyafervent__ | As far as I know the update was made, but currently we don't know was it successful or not | 17:17 |
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| dteselkin | It's almost successful I would say | 17:17 |
| katyafervent__ | I believe so. All jobs finish without errors | 17:18 |
| katyafervent__ | #topic Current status of unit test coverage | 17:18 |
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| katyafervent__ | stan_lagun, do you have percent of unit test coverage? | 17:19 |
| stan_lagun | > Currently 63 tests with 84% coverage of dsl package | 17:19 |
| katyafervent__ | OK. Anything else? | 17:20 |
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| katyafervent__ | #topic What can be improved? | 17:21 |
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| katyafervent__ | We have in planes improving murano-dashboard testing | 17:22 |
| katyafervent__ | currently we have just one test unit for that module and that is very sad | 17:23 |
| katyafervent__ | the same goes for murano-client. I'm working on adding test for client shell | 17:23 |
| tsufiev | kanzaros, we could forbid commiting new fixes without tests :) | 17:24 |
| tsufiev | oops | 17:24 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent__, i meant to address you | 17:24 |
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| katyafervent__ | tsufiev, we already have that rule! | 17:24 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent__, weird... how did https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103502/ get approved :)? | 17:25 |
| katyafervent__ | in stackforge/murano that would never happen :) | 17:25 |
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| stan_lagun | No distributions at all found for yaql>=0.2.2,<0.3 | 17:26 |
| katyafervent__ | tsufiev, what do you think, could we apply that rule for dashboard? | 17:26 |
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| stan_lagun | Do anyone know what happened to yaql? | 17:27 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent__, given current amount of reviews in murano-dashboard, we could | 17:27 |
| tsufiev | i mean, there not so many reviews there now | 17:27 |
| katyafervent__ | wrong chat) I guess it's something wrong with pypi | 17:28 |
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| stan_lagun | it is the reason why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103502/ failed | 17:28 |
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| katyafervent__ | #info Add tests for all changes in murano-dashboard | 17:28 |
| stan_lagun | It was +1 from Jenkins when I clicked approved | 17:28 |
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| katyafervent__ | stan_lagun, let's postpone that topic to open discussion | 17:29 |
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| katyafervent__ | #topic Important bugs we need to fix | 17:29 |
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| katyafervent__ | Are all important bugs in progress? | 17:30 |
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| katyafervent__ | nobody knows | 17:31 |
| katyafervent__ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano <- knows | 17:31 |
| katyafervent__ | stan_lagun, please add all bugs that you found to the launchpad | 17:32 |
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| stan_lagun | sure | 17:32 |
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| katyafervent__ | and we're waiting for sql cluster deployment | 17:33 |
| katyafervent__ | will we take Python muranoclient doesn't work with proxy that one? | 17:34 |
| katyafervent__ | #action "Python muranoclient doesn't work with proxy" need to be assigned | 17:36 |
| katyafervent__ | BTW | 17:36 |
| katyafervent__ | #info Bug triage will be held on the next Monday - the first Monday of a month | 17:37 |
| katyafervent__ | #action tnurlygayanov inform the community about bug scrub | 17:38 |
| katyafervent__ | Do you know other bugs that deserve our attention? | 17:39 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent__, nope | 17:40 |
| katyafervent__ | #topic Open discussion | 17:40 |
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| katyafervent__ | now we can discuss yaql and everything else | 17:40 |
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| tsufiev | speaking of bug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99050/ ... | 17:41 |
| tsufiev | I couldn't reproduce it on my machine | 17:41 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent__, could you try to do it? | 17:42 |
| katyafervent__ | no, but I can | 17:43 |
| katyafervent__ | Actually, I noticed today that everything works faster | 17:43 |
| katyafervent__ | May be it connected with the horizon update | 17:43 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent__, have you installed linux as host OS :)? | 17:43 |
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| katyafervent__ | no :) | 17:44 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent__, the datatables ajax refresh fix I was talking about hasn't yet landed in master | 17:44 |
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| tsufiev | so it must be some other changes... | 17:44 |
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| tsufiev | katyafervent__, so, if you're willing to give that bug a try, please take it https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1328512 | 17:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328512 in murano "Pressing "quick deploy" too quickly may cause an error" [High,In progress] | 17:45 |
| tsufiev | hm, it's currently assigned to Brian | 17:46 |
| btully | weird, it shouldn't be | 17:46 |
| tsufiev | btully, did you encounter that bug on your machine? | 17:46 |
| katyafervent__ | #action katyafervent__ investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1328512 | 17:47 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328512 in murano "Pressing "quick deploy" too quickly may cause an error" [High,In progress] | 17:47 |
| tsufiev | btully, it's a standard gerrit - launchpad behaviour | 17:47 |
| katyafervent__ | btully, did you fix the commit message? | 17:47 |
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| tsufiev | once you send patchset to a commit with Closes-Bug reference, you're set as bug assignee | 17:47 |
| katyafervent__ | in that case bug owner changed in LP | 17:47 |
| btully | i never encountered that bug on my machine, no | 17:47 |
| katyafervent__ | oh, true | 17:47 |
| katyafervent__ | commit message could be fixed on the web | 17:48 |
| btully | i think i just added some visual indicators on top of the work you committed | 17:48 |
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| katyafervent__ | well, that happens so move on | 17:48 |
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| tsufiev | ok, I think someone should reproduce it besides ativelkov, otherwise we should consider it invalid or won't fix | 17:49 |
| btully | i think Steve wrote a comment that we shouldn't fix | 17:49 |
| katyafervent__ | any other topics? | 17:50 |
| tsufiev | btully, true. i'll ping ativelkov about that issue, it was filed by him initially. | 17:51 |
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| tsufiev | katyafervent__, none that I know | 17:51 |
| katyafervent__ | ok, if we out of topics, let's have a dinner :) | 17:51 |
| katyafervent__ | Thanks everyone, see you next week | 17:52 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent__, bon appetite :) | 17:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | C u | 17:52 |
| katyafervent__ | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 1 17:52:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-07-01-17.01.html | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-07-01-17.01.txt | 17:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-07-01-17.01.log.html | 17:52 |
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| jdob | o/ | 19:02 |
| tzumainn | hiya | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | i/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | morning | 19:03 |
| lifeless | sorry I'm late | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 1 19:04:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:04 |
| derekh_ | hi | 19:04 |
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| bnemec | o/ | 19:04 |
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| gfidente | o/ | 19:05 |
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| greghaynes | O/ | 19:05 |
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| tchaypo | morning | 19:06 |
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| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:06 |
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| lifeless | bugs | 19:06 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:06 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:06 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:06 |
| lifeless | CI | 19:06 |
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| lifeless | Tuskar | 19:06 |
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| lifeless | Specs | 19:06 |
| lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:06 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 19:06 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:06 |
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| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:07 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:07 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:07 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:07 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:07 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:07 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:07 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:07 |
| tchaypo | This is my weekly reminder that anyone can use the link and info commands, not just lifeless - if you have something worth noting in the meeting minutes feel freeo to tag it | 19:07 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: you could put that in the stuff I copy-paste :) | 19:07 |
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| tchaypo | I approve of this lazinesss | 19:07 |
| * jdob resists temptation to make a note about our ability to make notes | 19:08 | |
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| lifeless | so we have some untriaged I see | 19:09 |
| lifeless | and still crits | 19:09 |
| lifeless | is michael kerrin online for the meeting? bug 1263294 | 19:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1263294 in tripleo "ephemeral0 of /dev/sda1 triggers 'did not find entry for sda1 in /sys/block'" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1263294 | 19:09 |
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| lifeless | derekh_: how is 1308407 looking ? | 19:11 |
| lifeless | derekh_: I believe your patch has been superceded? Does the new review reference the bug ? | 19:12 |
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| lifeless | GheRivero_afk: how is bug 1316985 coming ? | 19:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316985 in tripleo "set -eu may spuriously break dkms module" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316985 | 19:12 |
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| lifeless | no sign of rpod online - anyone know the status of bug 1317056 ? | 19:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1317056 in tripleo "Guest VM FS corruption after compute host reboot" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1317056 | 19:13 |
| lifeless | and lastly bug 1319979 also GheRivero_afk | 19:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1319979 in tripleo "rabbitmq-server fails to restart in check-tripleo-overcloud-precise" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1319979 | 19:13 |
| lifeless | I think the last one is invalid, since that job has happily passed many times since | 19:13 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: I added a reference to the review a few minutes ago, going to review it after meeting | 19:14 |
| lifeless | we used it to debug neutron the other day | 19:14 |
| lifeless | what else | 19:14 |
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| lifeless | bug 1329068 - slicknick was on that | 19:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1329068 in diskimage-builder "The trove guest-image is unable to publish the guest-config via cloud-init" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1329068 | 19:14 |
| lifeless | but its still open | 19:15 |
| tchaypo | I've added Closes-Bug: #1308407 to the new patchset | 19:15 |
| tchaypo | via the slick new in-browser commit message editor | 19:16 |
| lifeless | in 1329068 there is a fix merged to dib | 19:16 |
| lifeless | I think we can close it now? SpamapS - do you know ? | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: checking | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: yeah I thought that was closed already. | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | tchaypo: boo | 19:17 |
| bnemec | It should have - the second patch is tagged Closes-Bug. | 19:17 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: you reset all the votes | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | ahh yeah it's committed | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: they used partial intead of closes | 19:17 |
| bnemec | Oh, the second one is trove-integration. | 19:18 |
| tchaypo | clarkb: it wasn't smart enough to see that as a minor "only commit message was changed" commit? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: no beacuse we actually test commit messages | 19:18 |
| clarkb | tchaypo: for better or worse | 19:18 |
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| tchaypo | clarkb: to make sure they have periods in the right places and so on? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | yes | 19:19 |
| lifeless | stabbity stab stab | 19:19 |
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| tchaypo | my apologies | 19:19 |
| lifeless | stabbity at the 'or worse', not you. | 19:19 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: bug 1329068 was released in 0.1.21 :) | 19:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1329068 in diskimage-builder "The trove guest-image is unable to publish the guest-config via cloud-init" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1329068 | 19:20 |
| * SpamapS marks as such | 19:20 | |
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| lifeless | ok thats all the bugs | 19:20 |
| lifeless | though looking at the untriaged reminded me to collar ironic folk about removing the flavor integration :( | 19:20 |
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| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:21 |
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| lifeless | #info There's a new dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 19:21 |
| lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:21 |
| lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:21 |
| lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:21 |
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| lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:22 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 9 days, 10 hours, 55 minutes | 19:22 |
| lifeless | 1st quartile wait time: 1 days, 6 hours, 51 minutes | 19:22 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 5 days, 18 hours, 17 minutes | 19:22 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 13 days, 11 hours, 45 minutes | 19:22 |
| lifeless | we've crept back up again | 19:22 |
| lifeless | Looking at the baseline stats | 19:22 |
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| lifeless | *lots* of our cores are not getting 3/day. | 19:22 |
| gfidente | just in case, sources for the gerrit dashboard linked from the wiki are here: https://github.com/stackforge/gerrit-dash-creator/blob/master/dashboards/tripleo.dash | 19:22 |
| lifeless | #info REMINDER: Core reviewer commitment was 3 a day, rain or shine. | 19:23 |
| lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:23 |
| tchaypo | I was looking at the stats and I noticed we seem to have lots of reviews that have just one +1 | 19:24 |
| tchaypo | ego https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86316/ which is 55 days since last revision, has had no negative feedback, but needs some +2s to proceed | 19:24 |
| greghaynes | tchaypo: that one was just recently restored | 19:24 |
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| greghaynes | seems stats dont take that into account | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: Been pulled off on Heat work and also there are vacations happening around this time of year... so that throws it off. Anyway, for me I hope to slam the queue tomorrow. | 19:25 |
| tchaypo | That was the case with some others that I saw too - they'd been auto-abandoned, then restored, then #crickets | 19:25 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: 64 is what you get over a 30 calendar day period with 5 day work week | 19:25 |
| gfidente | the dashboard actually has a nice section titled "No Negative Feedback" which should be handy for changes needing only +2 | 19:25 |
| * gfidente encourages using the dashboard :) | 19:26 | |
| lifeless | SpamapS: you're over that - so thanks for the apology, but don't stress. We have folk below that by a significant marging. | 19:26 |
| lifeless | margin. | 19:26 |
| tchaypo | gfidente: I reckon that's worth a #info | 19:26 |
| lifeless | Does anyone have specific reviews they want to call out for help or attention on ? | 19:26 |
| gfidente | tchaypo, lifeless did it already :P | 19:27 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: oh I aim for 90 :) weekends? what are weekends? ;-) | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | actually I have family commitments I need to attend to ATM ... | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | anybody need anything from me before I disappear? | 19:27 |
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| greghaynes | SpamapS: input on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98709/ at some point | 19:28 |
| tchaypo | oh yeah - because I put it into the paste stuff last week. | 19:28 |
| tchaypo | total win for laziness! | 19:28 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: not I, though -specs review please :) | 19:28 |
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| pblaho | can someone point me to place where I can discover diiference http://www.stackalytics.com/report/contribution/tripleo-group/90 vs. http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:28 |
| tchaypo | lifeless: Are you planning to do a stats run to look for new cores soon? | 19:28 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: every day this last week, but sob its hard. Also its not a stats run - the stats is like 30 seonds. Its a systematic metareview | 19:29 |
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| tchaypo | lifeless: not even that, the stats are on russellbryant.net before you even think about wanting them.. | 19:30 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: there's been lots of knee jerk reaction to the very idea of stats being involved, so I'm trying to avoid any suggestion that the stats dominates; they never did... | 19:30 |
| tchaypo | <3 | 19:30 |
| lifeless | pblaho: well, other than them being different? DIfferent code bases. | 19:30 |
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| pblaho | lifeless: :-) | 19:31 |
| tchaypo | pblaho: apparently not | 19:31 |
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| tchaypo | gfidente: btw, how's the plan to get a hosted .html of those links going? | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | ACK, o/ | 19:31 |
| gfidente | gfidente, sorry but didn't look into that :( | 19:31 |
| lifeless | ok, next topic time | 19:31 |
| gfidente | tchaypo, ^^ .( | 19:31 |
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| lifeless | #projects needing releases | 19:31 |
| lifeless | do we have a victim^Wvolunteer | 19:32 |
| jdob | i will do it. i will bring the ring to Mordor | 19:32 |
| lifeless | \o/ | 19:32 |
| lifeless | #action jdob to release the world | 19:32 |
| jdob | i'm not gonna lie, part of me volunteering was just so I could say that | 19:32 |
| bnemec | One does not simply release into Mordor... | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | gfidente: ah, cool | 19:32 |
| lifeless | lol, grin | 19:32 |
| lifeless | thats made my day | 19:32 |
| lifeless | #topic CD cloud status | 19:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:32 | |
| lifeless | RH seems up - any specifics to add dprince / derekh_ ? | 19:32 |
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| greghaynes | Seed memory issues | 19:33 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: one of the TE's was failing all overcloud jobs | 19:33 |
| dprince | lifeless; we got 10 more nodes today | 19:33 |
| lifeless | dprince: \o/ fantastic | 19:33 |
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| dprince | lifeless: had a minor issues to fix because there was an IP address collision (the new DRAC's were in our undercloud range). | 19:34 |
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| greghaynes | I keep seeing fails like https://launchpad.net/bugs/1336479 | 19:34 |
| dprince | lifeless: but we've resolved that | 19:34 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: righto - we still need to rebuild them; we need to make the seed size honour the node size request - I noted my local seed vm was 2G when my nodes were 3G just before | 19:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1336479 in tripleo "CI build failing due to insufficient memory on seed" [High,Confirmed] | 19:34 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: I've killed it so should bring stats up a little https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1335926 | 19:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1335926 in tripleo "Can't destroy libvirt domain on TE host" [High,Confirmed] | 19:34 |
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| derekh_ | Wi'll rebuild the TE host later to get bac to full capacity | 19:35 |
| lifeless | dprince: are they online now or pending deploy ? | 19:35 |
| derekh_ | then we gotta decide when to being the new hosts into the overcloud | 19:35 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: their sitting there waiting for us to use them | 19:35 |
| dprince | lifeless: ^^ yep. don't rush us. Just saying we got access to them. We still need to do some burn in on them I think | 19:35 |
| lifeless | cool | 19:36 |
| lifeless | we need to get stevenk's fixes to toci's environment creation in too | 19:36 |
| lifeless | to unlock the better Ironic API | 19:36 |
| dprince | lifeless: our last round of hardware was burned-in for us. This time they pretty much just racked them I think | 19:36 |
| lifeless | and we need to fix the seed sizing thing one way or another | 19:36 |
| lifeless | dprince: cool | 19:36 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: link to the fix ? | 19:37 |
| lifeless | ok so hp1 and hp2 regions | 19:37 |
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| lifeless | derekh_: looks to me like he analysed it and hasn't pushed it | 19:37 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: ok | 19:37 |
| lifeless | derekh_: basically the ssh key isn't included in the per-node metadata. | 19:37 |
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| lifeless | derekh_: so we can't go from per-node metadata to ironic credentials field and drop the file injection | 19:38 |
| lifeless | derekh_: which would mean we have /no/ difference between bm and vm for ironic, so one less template variation. | 19:38 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: ok will take a look once its up | 19:38 |
| lifeless | #action stevenk to push up toci fix for ssh creds in nodes list | 19:38 |
| lifeless | hp1 and hp2 are still down; we have the bastion on both and a uc on hp1; Ng - did you get a uc up on hp2 ? | 19:39 |
| lifeless | lifeless, tchaypo and derekh_ are working on the vlan functionality re-fit to let us bring them up. hp1's machines are all vetted for config - 46 of em | 19:39 |
| lifeless | hp2 we haven't commenced burnin / validation yet. | 19:39 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: I push a minor fix for your ensure-bridge patches today and verified the MAC thing is working, didn't get to the vlan part but its next on the list | 19:39 |
| Ng | lifeless: that's my focus for the rest of the day :) | 19:40 |
| lifeless | Ng: cool | 19:40 |
| lifeless | derekh_: thanks. I'll pull that down, then be on the vlan thing myself | 19:40 |
| lifeless | #topic CI | 19:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:40 | |
| lifeless | derekh_: da floor is yours | 19:40 |
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| derekh_ | dprince: mentioned a error happening on some jobs pinging the user instance , I could do with somebody looking into that | 19:41 |
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| derekh_ | if not I'll take a look | 19:41 |
| derekh_ | about 5 to 10% of overcloud jobs were failing because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1335926 but that should be ok now | 19:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1335926 in tripleo "Can't destroy libvirt domain on TE host" [High,Confirmed] | 19:42 |
| slagle | is there a bug or a link to a failed job? | 19:42 |
| slagle | (for the user instance one) | 19:42 |
| derekh_ | not much on the ci spec has moved recently hopfully I'll get more time on it once we get the HP cloud up and running | 19:42 |
| derekh_ | slagle: I'll find one and paste it | 19:43 |
| derekh_ | slagle: this looks like it http://logs.openstack.org/09/98709/4/check-tripleo/check-tripleo-overcloud-f20/1d5fe2c/console.html | 19:44 |
| slagle | k | 19:44 |
| derekh_ | although there is no garentee that not related to the patch | 19:45 |
| derekh_ | lifeless: thats all from me at the moment | 19:46 |
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| derekh_ | slagle: opp, you said bug, I don't think there is one yet, will do | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | ok | 19:47 |
| slagle | oh that's np, i just wanted to see a failed log | 19:47 |
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| lifeless | #topic tuskar | 19:47 |
| slagle | but file away if you want :) | 19:47 |
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| jdob | nothing specific from me this week | 19:47 |
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| lifeless | #topic specs | 19:48 |
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| lifeless | so for HA | 19:48 |
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| lifeless | we need 103692 reviewed | 19:48 |
| lifeless | turns out the PKI stuff is actually a little complex | 19:49 |
| lifeless | there's a few with +2 and no cmoments for a bit that I'm going to +A this week | 19:49 |
| lifeless | also | 19:49 |
| lifeless | I'd like to call everyones attention to | 19:49 |
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| lifeless | #info backwards compat spec - please review | 19:49 |
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| tchaypo | lifeless: link? | 19:49 |
| lifeless | #link https://review.openstack.org/102081 | 19:49 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: patience | 19:50 |
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| tchaypo | lifeless: well that's embarrassing | 19:50 |
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| lifeless | whoever logged into hp1 - use screen -xr so you don't detach everyone else :) | 19:50 |
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| lifeless | any other specs issues to raise? | 19:51 |
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| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:52 |
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| lifeless | I have a thing | 19:53 |
| lifeless | the mid cycle is coming up | 19:53 |
| lifeless | last cycle we did a mix of talking and doing | 19:53 |
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| lifeless | and one bit of feedback we received from the talkers was that having a broad agenda is useful | 19:53 |
| lifeless | so if you have specific bits of face to face talking you want done,please put them in the etherpad | 19:53 |
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| lifeless | #info if you have agenda items for the mid-cycle please add to the agenda, a schedule for discussion-times will be forthcoming from those inputs | 19:54 |
| derekh_ | +1, I think we would have a lot to gain if we scheduled a few design summit like session | 19:54 |
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| slagle | good idea | 19:55 |
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| gfidente | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-midcycle-meetup | 19:56 |
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| lifeless | ok, seems like we're done here! thanks everyone. | 19:59 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 20:00 | |
| jdob | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 1 20:00:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-07-01-19.04.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-07-01-19.04.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-07-01-19.04.log.html | 20:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 1 22:01:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2014-07-01_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:01 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:01 |
| dguryanov | Dmitry Guryanov | 22:01 |
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| adrian_otto | wow, everyone is on vacation today? | 22:02 |
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| PaulCzar_ | o/ | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | hi PaulCzar_ and dguryanov | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | I'll wait just a bit for others to join | 22:03 |
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| iqbalmohomed | Hello | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | hi iqbalmohomed | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, let's proceed. | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:05 |
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| erw_ | o/ | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | •Notice: adrian_otto will be on vacation 2014-07-11 to 2014-07-24. Seeking interim chair for 2014-07-15 and 2014-07-22 meetings. | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | would anyone like to volunteer to chair on those dates? | 22:06 |
| erw_ | I do | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | thanks erw_! | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed erw_ will serve as chair for our 2014-07-15 and 2014-07-22 meetings. | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | next announcement... | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | There is a poll for selecting a mid-cycle meetup date: | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039119.html | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039119.html Poll for Mid-Cycle Meetup Date | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | please take a moment to consult your calendars and vote now | 22:08 |
| erw_ | were you intending to have a result by the EOM? | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | we can hold the poll open until we have judged that there is a critical mass around a particular date | 22:10 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, next on the agenda… | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:13 | |
| jejb | Does it have to be SF? We're having a containers meeting at the kernel summit in Chicago; you'd be welcome to join | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | oh! | 22:13 |
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| adrian_otto | no, we are not locked to SF | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | jejb: when does that happen, exactly? | 22:14 |
| erw_ | August 18 - 20, 2014 | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to send a poll to openstack-dev ML to select a date for the Mid-Cycle meetup (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-24-16.02.log.html#l-76, 16:16:55) (COMPLETE) | 22:15 |
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| adrian_otto | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039119.html | 22:15 |
| jejb | adrian_otto, KS is 18-20/8 and LinuxCon is 20-22/8 We may do 20/8 as easiest, but may also steal linuxcon dates | 22:15 |
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| adrian_otto | oh, very interesting | 22:15 |
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| jejb | LinuxCon is doing a Containers track so I think there's strong Docker representation as well as LXC | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so at KS, you mentioned a containers meeting, when is that? | 22:16 |
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| jejb | We'll do it on the fringes, it will probably be a review with Tejun of our API progress. We don't have dates nailed down but I suspect 20/8 since Serge is going to LinuxCon but not KS | 22:17 |
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| erw_ | jejb: +1; doing this with ks/linuxcon will make those that sign my expense reports happy, I think. | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so maybe if we planned to meet on the 18th and 19th that might work nicely | 22:18 |
| jejb | I'll have a couple of guys from Moscow, although not dguryanov | 22:18 |
| jejb | no chance of getting anyone to SF in August | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | and then we can meet with kernel stakeholders on the 20th | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | am I making any sense? | 22:19 |
| jejb | I was more thinking that the containers presence is useful. I doubt Tejun or some of the others has much OpenStack interest | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | I'd need to find a suitable meeting space for us thogh | 22:20 |
| jejb | but it's an attractor for the rest of the containers people, which is partly why LinuxCon has a container track | 22:20 |
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| jejb | adrian_otto, I can get Angela of the LF to find that | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that would be great. We'll keep all options open | 22:21 |
| erw_ | jejb: we’ll also need to know if all attendees will also need to register for linuxcon | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: yes, good point | 22:22 |
| jejb | erw_, that's complex. but only if you want a date over linuxcon, which is 20-22/8 | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | I'm happy to provide the LF with rationale that explains why this is in the interest of the LF if that's not immediately apparent | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for making that connection for us. | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | I will update the description of the poll to indicate if we hold it on those dates, it will be in Chicago (pending final arrangements) | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Host Agent Discussion | 22:24 |
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| erw_ | adrian_otto: fwiw, “networking only” passes without conference session badges are $300/ea; if it turns out it’s necessary | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: tx! | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | recarding host agents… we touched on this a bit last week, but I wanted to give us a chance to revisit this in greater detail | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | s/recarding/regarding/ | 22:26 |
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| adrian_otto | the question is about what software should run on the hosts that run nova-compute today | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | should it be different than nova-compute, nova-compute with a generic containers plugin? | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | I think we agreed that we preferred not to have separate virt drivers to every container tech | 22:28 |
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| adrian_otto | thoughts on this? | 22:28 |
| PaulCzar_ | I’m a bit worried about removing funtionality for specific container tech to make it fit a lowest common denominator driver | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we can follow that one on the ML | 22:29 |
| jejb | The problem is that the nova API is a bit hypervisor centric. However, we need a lot of the internals | 22:29 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: so far, I’ve agreed we need to share code amongst the “virt” drivers. Such as the neutron code and whatever code we use for attaching block devices for cinder | 22:29 |
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| jejb | I'd propose trying a different nova-compute as a POC then seeing if there's scope for merging | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: acknowledged. | 22:30 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: the idea of “separate” virt drivers is a high-level subclassing where we need to do different things for the different drivers… and I don’t see that going away unless we were to, say, communicate to libcontainer directly. | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | jejb: so maybe a fork of nova-compute to start? | 22:30 |
| jejb | adrian_otto, it will be easier than trying to modify the python API within nova initially | 22:30 |
| iqbalmohomed | +1 erw_ | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: we talked about extending libvirt to potentially be that integration point. | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar_: +1 | 22:31 |
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| jejb | libvirt is really very hypervisor specific as well | 22:31 |
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| jejb | PaulCzar_, the libcontainer/libct approach should support all container technology with no current loss of functionality | 22:32 |
| PaulCzar_ | take nova-docker … genericize it a bit and call it nova-container | 22:32 |
| erw_ | and even the canonical folks want to get away from libvirt for containers | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | jejb: what if it were not? | 22:32 |
| jejb | adrian_otto, well then it would be reinventing the libct approach, wouldn't it? | 22:32 |
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| adrian_otto | erw_: where was that opinion expressed? | 22:32 |
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| PaulCzar_ | let docker be the driver to integrate with libcontainer | 22:32 |
| iqbalmohomed | Is there an API for containers documented at this point? | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to identify a concrete reference to that | 22:33 |
| dguryanov | iqbalmohomed: https://github.com/xemul/libct/blob/master/Documentation/libct.txt | 22:33 |
| erw_ | PaulCzar_: iqbalmohomed: there is an argument that docker is that api | 22:33 |
| jejb | adrian_otto, serge can probably confirm it. It was his statement at OpenStack Atlanta, but I don't know if it's written down | 22:33 |
| iqbalmohomed | thx dguryanov, erw_ | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | yes, we raised libct for discussion last week as well | 22:34 |
| erw_ | libct/libcontainer is the defacto low-level api, yes | 22:34 |
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| PaulCzar_ | oh yes, I forgot about libct … it’s a python library that will talk to libcontainer ? or a python port of libcontainer? | 22:35 |
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| erw_ | but interfacing directly to that, we would start to reimplement Docker inside of our virt plugin… and that’s not good mojo | 22:35 |
| jejb | libcontainer is a go library, libct is the c/c++/python part. The APIs don't quite match yet but vmarmol from google is working on that | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | jejb: yes, could you help me confirm that? | 22:35 |
| iqbalmohomed | +1 erw_ | 22:35 |
| jejb | adrian_otto, I can confirm he said it to the group of us | 22:35 |
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| erw_ | (or reimplementing openvz, for that matter… from whatever perspective you desire) | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | I want all of us to be well informed about what's happening, but I don't want rumor to carry us away if it's not an official position, we should treat it as such. | 22:36 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: it has been clearly stated by various parties that the intentions are to merge libcontainer and libct. | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | maybe we can invite serge to our next meeting for his perspective | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: ok | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | that makes sense. | 22:37 |
| PaulCzar_ | I’m all for using docker as the API … but I’m not sure the openstack community in general would like that | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar_: why? | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | fi docker allows for any container tech to work | 22:37 |
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| PaulCzar_ | adrian_otto: politics, language bias, not-invented-here | 22:38 |
| dguryanov | Which container techs do we have? | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | and all those bits are open source, and using compatible licenses | 22:38 |
| iqbalmohomed | Curious if the existing docker virt driver in nova-docker serves as a guide in the design for containers? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Docker has a nice image of this ... basically use HTTP | 22:38 |
| dguryanov | There is only one: cgroups + namespaces + caps | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | Stackers have expressed interest in OpenVZ as well | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | which is something that is used in production OpenStack clouds today | 22:39 |
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| adrian_otto | iscsi support is one difference that I am aware of | 22:39 |
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| adrian_otto | I'd like to learn more about the specifics, but apparently the iscsi connector that works in OpenVZ was not working when LXC was considered | 22:40 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: there is a good point that Docker does present a fairly biased version of containers. | 22:40 |
| jejb | The flavour of a container, LXC, OpenVZ, Docker is determined by how you set it up, what capabilities you give it and how its mount points work | 22:40 |
| erw_ | which may or may not be a good thing in the context of OpenStack | 22:40 |
| jejb | libcontainer/libct interfaces to the low level building blocks, but the high level flavour isn't determined by them | 22:40 |
| iqbalmohomed | dguryanov: I believe other popular containers are warden and straight up LXC | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: in my view being somewhat opinionated is healthy | 22:41 |
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| adrian_otto | warden is it's own thing? I thought that simply controlled LXC | 22:41 |
| erw_ | my approach with the docker driver has been to try and improve libcontainer directly wherever possible, to move code into libraries we can share with other container virt drivers - where possible... | 22:42 |
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| adrian_otto | My current understanding is that's downstream from the CF DEA component in order to produce an isolated process on the host | 22:42 |
| erw_ | but instead of calling to libcontainer directly, we call the docker API which manipulates libcontainer. | 22:42 |
| erw_ | as a matter of status-quo on the nova-docker side | 22:43 |
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| adrian_otto | erw_: for sake of discussion, if we had nova-compute talking directly to libcontainer, and added extensions for the missing API bits, might we get more traction with Stackers? | 22:43 |
| PaulCzar_ | at dockercon they announced that paralels was working on libcontainer support | 22:43 |
| jejb | adrian_otto, warden was initially implemented on lxc (like docker), then it decided it wanted to do its own thing, so it has backends, like docker | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | jejb: very interesting. | 22:44 |
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| erw_ | adrian_otto: I’m not sure that would give us further traction. It moves the story to something most people don’t know (they know lxc, openvz, docker) and I suspect presumes a much more vigorous level of effort to implement and maintain | 22:44 |
| jejb | PaulCzar_, it's a bit more complex than that: libcontainer and libct have existed as separate projects for a while. We're now trying to combine them into a single useful API | 22:45 |
| jejb | PaulCzar_, with a Go/C/C++/Python binding set | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://underlap.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/warden-meets-libcontainer.html Warden to use libcontainer now | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | it seems to me that there is convergence on libcontainer, and that would be a safe approach as a first iteration. | 22:46 |
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| adrian_otto | erw_: more effort compared to what option? | 22:46 |
| PaulCzar_ | if we were to use docker as the API and we need features from libcontainer to support openvz etc, will we get support from docker to implement ? | 22:47 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: it’s a question of how much does libcontainer not do - and how much do we lose by using it? I mean, do we start reimplementing Docker, Warden, etc at some point? | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: I'd rather not, in all honesty. | 22:49 |
| erw_ | and then there is the ecosystem question: if we did that, how do we manage importing/exporting docker images? Are there features we lose/miss out on? | 22:49 |
| jejb | It's basically a question of where the container flavour is implemented. If we base on libct/libcontainer, the flavour has to be in nova, hence extra work | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | but I want to help us strike a balance that we can be comfortable with | 22:49 |
| PaulCzar_ | given we have something working that uses docker, I think it makes a lot of sense to continue to use it until we hit something that means we can't | 22:49 |
| jejb | if we place the flavour inside the actual driver (like is currently done now with libvirt), then we effectively need drivers for every container technology | 22:49 |
| jejb | The thing we don't yet know is how big the flavour difference is. I suspect it's pretty small, hence nova + flavour driving libct/libcontainer may not be much extra effort | 22:50 |
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| adrian_otto | jejb: good point. it would be more efficient to pick up those modules from existing projects | 22:50 |
| erw_ | PaulCzar_: libcontainer is getting support from multiple vendors. parallels is working on libcontainer themselves, in a sense (again the whole c/go mismatch is being sorted) | 22:50 |
| jejb | but we have yet to try it. We're looking to rebase the vzctl (openvz toolkit) and serge is looking at the same for lxctools. How easy that is tells us how big the flavour problem is | 22:51 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so we have a few minutes remaining | 22:52 |
| erw_ | jejb: right. I’ve been playing devil’s advocate a bit, not because I’m strictly against a libcontainer solution, but because I feel we don’t have enough information to make an informed decision on this. | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:52 |
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| adrian_otto | it's fine to continue the prior dicsussion | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | erw_ what actions can we take to get the right information? | 22:53 |
| PaulCzar_ | thx guys, I gotta head out | 22:53 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: I forget where we left off with the cinder stuff, but the patches from funzo and slower are ready and pending review… which is still having trouble with upstream docker. | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | is this a matter of pulling in subject matter experts who are not already here? | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: are there individuals I should speak with about those? | 22:54 |
| jejb | erw_, all I can tell you is what I suspect ... not what I know. What I do know is that the future of containers is more granular than any of our current container technology easily allows so a libct/libcontainer route would future proof us, which I think is more important in the long run | 22:54 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: re:cinder- I had them give a demo at Docker, Inc to grease the wheels a bit. Unfortunately, most everyone had already checked-out due to an hour-log HR presentation that preceded it | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | oh, bummer! | 22:55 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: re:cinder- but I’m following up on it | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: If I can do anything to help, please let me know | 22:55 |
| erw_ | jejb: that much, I can agree on. What I’ve been doing is using the openstack work as a feedback loop to make Docker better where it’s lacking and speeding up that process | 22:56 |
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| iqbalmohomed | In the closing minutes, maybe I can ask a some what related but off topic question. Is there a regular chat or irc for nova-docker? | 22:58 |
| erw_ | sorry- - I have to go. | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | #nova-docker on Freenode | 22:58 |
| iqbalmohomed | thx adrian_otto | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | ok, anything else before we wrap up? | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone. | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 1 22:59:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-07-01-22.01.html | 22:59 |
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