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| co-lapangan | hello | 04:48 |
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| co-lapangan | I have problem to verify connectivity after follow instruction on docs | 04:49 |
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| co-lapangan | http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/install-guide/install/yum/content/neutron_initial-networks-verify.html | 04:49 |
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| co-lapangan | I can't ping to tenant router gateway :( | 04:50 |
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| co-lapangan | is this right? | 04:51 |
| co-lapangan | [root@controller ~]# neutron net-list +--------------------------------------+----------+------------------------------------------------------+ | id | name | subnets | +--------------------------------------+----------+------------------------------------------------------+ | 56acd670-ebb9-4e6c-a1c5-60222210b034 | ext-net | ff1ffa9 | 04:51 |
| co-lapangan | [root@controller ~]# neutron net-list +--------------------------------------+----------+------------------------------------------------------+ | id | name | subnets | +--------------------------------------+----------+------------------------------------------------------+ | 56acd670-ebb9-4e6c-a1c5-60222210b034 | ext-net | ff1ffa9 | 04:51 |
| co-lapangan | [root@controller ~]# neutron net-list +--------------------------------------+----------+------------------------------------------------------+ | id | name | subnets | +--------------------------------------+----------+------------------------------------------------------+ | 56acd670-ebb9-4e6c-a1c5-60222210b034 | ext-net | ff1ffa9 | 04:52 |
| co-lapangan | [root@controller ~]# neutron net-list +--------------------------------------+----------+------------------------------------------------------+ | id | name | subnets | +--------------------------------------+----------+------------------------------------------------------+ | 56acd670-ebb9-4e6c-a1c5-60222210b034 | ext-net | ff1ffa9 | 04:52 |
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| irenab | hi, anyone for pci passthrough meeting? | 13:01 |
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| heyongli | hi | 13:01 |
| BrianB_ | hi | 13:01 |
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| BrianB_ | Robert is still on pto | 13:01 |
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| irenab | hi, I'll start the meeting | 13:01 |
| irenab | #startmeeting pci_passthrough | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 8 13:02:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is irenab. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:02 |
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| irenab | hi all | 13:02 |
| rpothier | hi | 13:02 |
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| sadasu | hi | 13:02 |
| sadasu | I think baoli would not be able to attend today | 13:03 |
| irenab | Is there anything specific someone wants to discuss? | 13:03 |
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| irenab | sadasu: good progress on the spec | 13:04 |
| sadasu | irenab: thanks! more minor comments trickling in... | 13:04 |
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| irenab | I have a question regarding nova side patches | 13:05 |
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| heyongli | intel nic.no interface to control per vf up down from host | 13:05 |
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| sadasu | while we are waiting, I wanted to discuss security groups in the Sr-IOV case | 13:05 |
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| irenab | heyongli: thanks, will keep in mind | 13:05 |
| sadasu | irenab: go ahead...we'll take up my question next | 13:05 |
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| sadasu | heyongli: thanks...good to know | 13:06 |
| irenab | we now use baoli POC to make a progress with neutron part | 13:06 |
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| irenab | is all nova patches are out for review to take them instead? | 13:07 |
| irenab | POC is old and need to rebase | 13:07 |
| irenab | sadasu: how do you integrate with nova for now? | 13:07 |
| sadasu | I just started to use the patches posted for review | 13:08 |
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| sadasu | integrated with my changes yesterday...haven't tested yet | 13:09 |
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| irenab | sadasu: there are 2 patches as far as I know, one from rpothier and one from baoli. Is it all that needed? | 13:09 |
| heyongli | sadasu what is the topic of.the patch set ? | 13:09 |
| sadasu | rpothier or I would be able to give you the complete patches | 13:10 |
| rpothier | no, the patches are not complete | 13:10 |
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| heyongli | how about the.progress? | 13:11 |
| irenab | heyongli: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/pci-passthrough-sriov,n,z | 13:11 |
| irenab | rpothier: so there is no complete support out there for nova Sr-IOV part, right? | 13:11 |
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| rpothier | right, | 13:12 |
| heyongli | thanks i kown this sets | 13:12 |
| sadasu | heyongli: talking about the existing patches & if they are complete for neutron testing | 13:12 |
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| irenab | sadasu: please let me know if you will be able to use new patches for work or need minor additions | 13:13 |
| irenab | rporthier: what is still missing? VIF Driver? | 13:13 |
| sadasu | irenab: do you want us to pass along the complete set of patches so u can proceed? | 13:13 |
| irenab | sadsu: yes, it will be great | 13:13 |
| heyongli | i also want a copy | 13:14 |
| irenab | sadasu: working with POC complicates a lot, also need for CI | 13:14 |
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| sadasu | irenab: exactly, thats why I grabbed these patches but haven't used them a lot | 13:15 |
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| irenab | sadasu: what ever waork for you, will be glad to get | 13:16 |
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| sadasu | irenab: ok | 13:17 |
| sadasu | irenab: is your question answered? | 13:17 |
| irenab | sadasu: yes :-). Once get all nova patches will be OK | 13:18 |
| irenab | sadsu: what is your question? | 13:18 |
| sadasu | how does your ML2 driver support security groups? | 13:19 |
| irenab | sadasu: no | 13:20 |
| irenab | sadsu: it declairs that it does not support and runs with Noop Driver on agent side | 13:21 |
| sadasu | this seems to be a big sticking point in my BP spec review | 13:21 |
| irenab | I saw the comment. I think it is expected to be mentionedin the spec that it does not support, and not fail for API calls | 13:22 |
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| sadasu | it is mentioned in the spec that sec grps are not supported...but they are looking for an alternative | 13:23 |
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| irenab | for my understanding it should be possible to have MD that does not support security groups, it is extension | 13:23 |
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| sadasu | that was my understanding too until I got a comment this morning saying that it is not optional | 13:24 |
| sadasu | how does the noop firewall driver interact with your agent? | 13:24 |
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| irenab | sadasu: The noop firewall driver is defined on the agent side | 13:25 |
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| irenab | on the MD side, I declare vif_details={portbindings.CAP_PORT_FILTER: False} | 13:26 |
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| irenab | sadasu: Do you have more concerns on this? | 13:28 |
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| sadasu | yes, agreed...I guess I have to go figure out the exactly functionality provided by the noop firewall driver | 13:28 |
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| sadasu | I was looking for information on how the firewall driver interacts with your agent... | 13:29 |
| irenab | not having sevurity groups on SR-IOV port is also required for NFV, so we have use case that needs it | 13:29 |
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| irenab | there is some which is quite critical for both our MDs : #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1338202 | 13:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1338202 in neutron "ML2 plugin update_port changes binding:profile when not changed" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:30 |
| irenab | sadsu: sorry, I moved to another topic. Do you have questions on security groups for our MD? | 13:31 |
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| sadasu | irenab: not for now...go ahead | 13:32 |
| irenab | so the bug I mentioned, seems to clear binding:profile for any port update API call | 13:32 |
| irenab | which causes port to try to bind again and to fail, since no profile is present any more | 13:33 |
| irenab | I think that I know how to fix, will work on this ASAP | 13:33 |
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| sadasu | irenab: I think this port_update is used when VM is migrated to a diff host | 13:34 |
| sadasu | we need to check with Bob Kukura before proceeding with the fix | 13:35 |
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| irenab | admin/tenant can call port-update API, and even if nothing is changed, it will clear profile content (till bug is fixed) | 13:35 |
| irenab | since we canot prevent api calls for this, seems to me as critical | 13:35 |
| sadasu | got it. yes, seems critical | 13:36 |
| irenab | sadsu: agree, could not catch rkukura on irc | 13:36 |
| irenab | will try to attend ML2 meeting this week to discuss | 13:36 |
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| sadasu | ok | 13:37 |
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| irenab | any other topics to discuss? | 13:39 |
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| irenab | when do you expect the rest of nova patches to land? | 13:40 |
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| rpothier | I hope to get a second patch this week. | 13:41 |
| irenab | rpothier: this is the one that completes the nova side, or there is more? | 13:42 |
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| rpothier | still more. | 13:43 |
| irenab | rpothier: thanks | 13:43 |
| rpothier | my first patch can get merged without affecting anything | 13:43 |
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| irenab | rpothier: I am looking for nova side patches to use to integrate internally the neutron part | 13:44 |
| irenab | I guess what is working for sadasu, will work for me as well | 13:45 |
| sadasu | irenab: haven't tested, just patched...willl pass them along anyways | 13:46 |
| irenab | sadsu: Thanks! | 13:46 |
| irenab | any other topics to discuss or shall we finish earlier? | 13:47 |
| sadasu | I don't have any more topics | 13:47 |
| irenab | me too | 13:47 |
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| irenab | sadsu: I'll folow your spec review for security groups decision | 13:48 |
| yongli | me neither | 13:48 |
| yongli | any neutron patch released? | 13:48 |
| yongli | could we get a link here? | 13:48 |
| irenab | yeongli: hope tomorrow, adding few more unit tests | 13:49 |
| yongli | thanks, drag me to the reviewer list, please | 13:49 |
| irenab | yongli: sure | 13:50 |
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| irenab | thank you all. | 13:50 |
| irenab | #endmeeting | 13:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 8 13:50:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:50 |
| yongli | so finished today | 13:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-07-08-13.02.html | 13:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-07-08-13.02.txt | 13:50 |
| yongli | bye | 13:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-07-08-13.02.log.html | 13:50 |
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| flaper87 | #startmeeting Marconi | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 8 15:02:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic roll call | 15:02 |
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| malini | o/ | 15:02 |
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| sriram1 | o/ | 15:02 |
| ametts | o/ | 15:02 |
| amitgandhi | o/ | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:02 |
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| nelsnelson | o/ | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | The agenda is quite empty but I've some topics in mind | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | feel free to add more things as we speak | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | #topic Meeting Time | 15:04 |
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| flaper87 | I talked to flwang about what time would be good for him. He said that anytime after 7am his TZ would be fine | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | so I think 7am his TZ is fine :P | 15:04 |
| malini | 7:01 am ;) | 15:05 |
| vkmc | 7 am his TZ == ? UTC | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: wait, I'm getting the link | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | jokes apart, 7am may not be good because the TC and project meetings are at that time | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | That's 19UTC and 20UTC | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | so, we probably want to do it at 21UTC just to make sure we have presence in both meetings | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | Thoughts? | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | I checked and the channel seems to be free at that time | 15:06 |
| malini | maybe we can do 7am NZ on a different day? | 15:06 |
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| flaper87 | malini: changing day and time may be harder | 15:07 |
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| malini | flaper87: is getting the channel the hard part? | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | no, it's remembering the meeting :P | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | hahahaha | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | my brain is not that good | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | I'd like kgriffs to agree w/ this before doing anything so, since he's not here we won't be able to start next week | 15:08 |
| malini | dont worry abt the brain..we can all ping you | 15:08 |
| sriram1 | at the same time. | 15:08 |
| sriram1 | DDOS :P | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | Lets start agreeing on 21UTC for now and try to find a better day during this week | 15:08 |
| vkmc | we can check all the tmz in one table here http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html | 15:09 |
| vkmc | there are three meeting channels we could use, so there should be some spot that works for everybody | 15:09 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: right, I'd like to change just the time if possible | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | to avoid confussion | 15:10 |
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| vkmc | flaper87, sounds good | 15:10 |
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| flaper87 | #agreed 21UTC sounds like a good time. find a better day/channel if possible | 15:10 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Reviews | 15:11 |
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| flaper87 | sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | Marconi seems to be moving really slow | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | it's not a complain but a warning for all of us | 15:11 |
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| malini | agreeed.. | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | it looks like we're having very busy times elsewhere and we need to reschedule some of our time | 15:12 |
| sriram1 | agreed, will spend time on reviews. | 15:12 |
| malini | +1 | 15:12 |
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| flaper87 | The warning I'm raising is that whenever our time has to be scheduled on other things it's important to dedicate the little time we have for marconi on reviews | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | that until we have enough time to code as well | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | this will facilitate people dedicating time on marconi to move forward | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | and keep working on the things they're working on | 15:13 |
| vkmc | +1 | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | so stop paying attention to what I'm saying here and go do reviews | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | ok, ignore the last message | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:13 |
| * malini already at that | 15:14 | |
| malini | ;) | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | awesome, that's all I have to say here for now | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | there's no magic trick, it's just about priorities | 15:14 |
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| flaper87 | again, if you find yourself with not enough time to code on marconi, dedicate whatever you have available on reviews | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | anything else, ayone? | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | you better agree with me or I'll stop reviewing your code | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | >.> | 15:15 |
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| sriram1 | agreed. | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | #topic queue flavors: Use ID or name ? | 15:15 |
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| flaper87 | sriram1: good boy | 15:15 |
| vkmc | agreed | 15:15 |
| malini | I am sure sriram1 is getting pop-tarts wired | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | ok, there's a patch up there adding the base class for flavors | 15:16 |
| prashanthr_1 | agreed :) | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98777/ | 15:16 |
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| flaper87 | flwang and others raised a question whether we should use IDs or names there | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | before we share our thoughts | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | let me share why I went with names | 15:16 |
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| flaper87 | I used names because we're already using them for pools and queues. The other reason is that flavors is not something that users can create themselves., it's an admin action. Last but not least, I wanted to be consistent with compute flavors and have something easy to remember and write | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | with all that said, I really don't mind using IDs, I just find them less readable although they're easier to handle | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | thoughts? | 15:18 |
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| sriram1 | I agree on names as well, much more relatable to me. | 15:18 |
| malini | I like the names better because it makes it easy to remember & is obvious on what it signifies | 15:18 |
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| vkmc | flaper87, sorry I didn't reply earlier on Gerrit | 15:19 |
| malini | flavor=1 doesn't convey any info | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: np :) | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | malini: right | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | the thing about names is that we'll have to validate them, which is not a big deal | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | we already do that for queues | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | we can reuse the same validation | 15:20 |
| vkmc | I asked about this because of some issues that arised in Nova a long time ago with instance flavors... because they use both ids and names | 15:20 |
| prashanthr_1 | Names make more sense. | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: do you recall what issues were those? | 15:20 |
| vkmc | so when flavors where deleted and created again that causes lots of inconsistencies | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | ah ok, that's because they allow users to use ids and names | 15:20 |
| vkmc | but the usage of ids were because in many use cases they needed a great amount of flavors and names can be hard to scale | 15:21 |
| vkmc | in this case flavors creation is an admin operation, so it should be ok | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | I guess the right question is: Will we need many queue flavors? | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | flavors are related to the storage capabilities | 15:22 |
| vkmc | I don't think so, but my head is a bit narrow when it comes to production stuff :) | 15:22 |
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| flaper87 | the combinations between them are finite for sure | 15:22 |
| sriram1 | no, I think they can be sufficiently distinct to scale. | 15:22 |
| sriram1 | it shouldnt be a problem, according to me. | 15:23 |
| * flaper87 is a production expert, he has a marconi instance running on a single node, single gear, single mongod openshift instance | 15:23 | |
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| flaper87 | :P | 15:23 |
| vkmc | haha | 15:23 |
| malini | we need oz! | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | malini: can you forward this question to him? | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | I think names are enough in this case | 15:23 |
| malini | sure | 15:24 |
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| vkmc | the real problem arises if flavors are shared among tenants and regular users are allowed to create flavors | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 15:24 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: ahhhhhh | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: why did you say that? | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | :( | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | flavors are indeed shared between tenants | 15:25 |
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| flaper87 | well, not exactly shared | 15:25 |
| vkmc | flaper87, but the admin is the only one creating flavors | 15:25 |
| vkmc | so.. it's 'controlled' | 15:25 |
| sriram1 | vkmc: if the users are allowed to create custom flavors, then its a whole game altogether. | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | Here's the scenario: 1 tenant wants to use a flavor that is available, at that point the admin creates/clones the flavor to the other tenant | 15:26 |
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| vkmc | sriram1, yes of course :) | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | users are not allowed to create falvors for now | 15:26 |
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| sriram1 | flaper87: right | 15:26 |
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| flaper87 | creating flavors means the user knows what's been deployed in terms of storage | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | and the user most know the pool name | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | since all that is admin-only so has to be the flavor as well | 15:27 |
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| vkmc | it makes sense... and I agree with all the pros of using names | 15:27 |
| vkmc | so +1 | 15:27 |
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| flaper87 | awesome | 15:27 |
| * flaper87 loves it when vkmc agrees | 15:27 | |
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| vkmc | haha when everybody agrees! | 15:27 |
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| flaper87 | now I don't recall what I wanted to talk about next | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | damnit | 15:28 |
| sriram1 | Ok, I'd like to bring up the benchmark environment now. :P | 15:28 |
| * flaper87 should stop cursing | 15:28 | |
| flaper87 | ah I remember now | 15:28 |
| sriram1 | if that's ok, flaper87? | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | #topic Notifications | 15:28 |
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| flaper87 | sriram1: ops sorry, sure | 15:28 |
| flaper87 | #undo | 15:28 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Benchmark | 15:28 |
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| flaper87 | sriram1: floor is yours | 15:28 |
| sriram1 | ok so after some work, the benchmark env is (almost) ready | 15:28 |
| sriram1 | Its usable now. | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: link or it ain't happen | 15:29 |
| sriram1 | but I havent been able to finish performance twaeks | 15:29 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:29 |
| sriram1 | sure, one sec. | 15:29 |
| sriram1 | http://166.78.236.4/ | 15:29 |
| vkmc | :o | 15:29 |
| sriram1 | I'll try to add a DNS entry for this. | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: does it have auto-update ? | 15:30 |
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| flaper87 | is there a way to trigger benchmarks form the outside world ? | 15:30 |
| sriram1 | flaper87: not yet.. that's a good question. for auto update. | 15:30 |
| sriram1 | trigger benchmarks should be possible, you should be able to connect to it from anywhere. | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: wait, so, that link is for the marconi instance, right ? | 15:31 |
| sriram1 | flaper87: correct | 15:31 |
| sriram1 | with haproxy load balancer | 15:31 |
| sriram1 | 4 webheads | 15:31 |
| sriram1 | monog replica set | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: awesome | 15:32 |
| sriram1 | for both catlog, queues, messages. | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | I was going to said that it'd be nice to be able to trigger a locally installed benchmark script | 15:32 |
| sriram1 | there is no auth. | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | but from here is a more real scenario | 15:32 |
| sriram1 | umm, so benchmark from anywhere? | 15:33 |
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| flaper87 | sriram1: as it is now I'd have to point our bench tool to the benchmark server | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: correct ? | 15:33 |
| sriram1 | yes. | 15:33 |
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| flaper87 | sriram1: I think that's fine. I was going to propose having an endpoint to trigger the benchmarks on the same server | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | but that doesn't make much sense | 15:34 |
| sriram1 | Good idea though.. | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | I mean, that would be benchmark-connection_latency | 15:34 |
| sriram1 | yes | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | it's still useful but running benches from here makes it more real, so to speak | 15:35 |
| flaper87 | anyway, we could have both | 15:35 |
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| sriram1 | also since its experimental now, we might continually be making changes to the environment. | 15:35 |
| sriram1 | yes we can have both, soon. | 15:35 |
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| sriram1 | I have spoken with Aazza | 15:36 |
| sriram1 | is she here? | 15:36 |
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| sriram1 | hey AAzza :) | 15:37 |
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| AAzza | hi, all) | 15:37 |
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| malini | hello AAzza! | 15:37 |
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| vkmc | hi AAzza! | 15:37 |
| sriram1 | We were just talking about the benchmarking stuff. | 15:37 |
| sriram1 | AAzza: you can start playing around with it. | 15:38 |
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| sriram1 | The environment doesnt have performance tweaks yet, which I will be working on :) | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | ok | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 15:39 |
| sriram1 | :) | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: thanks a lot for all the hard work there | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | sriram1: AAzza please, work together on that | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | while sriram1 is working on the server AAzza can move the bench tools forward | 15:39 |
| sriram1 | no problem :) sure, we will. | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | it's important to get that done | 15:39 |
| AAzza | of course) | 15:39 |
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| flaper87 | awesome, thank you both | 15:40 |
| AAzza | did we decide in what way we want to store/process the stats? | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | AAzza: as of now, we dump everything on the CLI or in a json file | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | s/CLI/stdout/ | 15:40 |
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| AAzza | flaper87: yes, good. and what lib is preffereable to draw results? matplotlib, gnuplot? | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | AAzza: TBH, I've no idea. I'm sure one of these is being used elsewhere in openstack | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | lets try to figure out which one | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | or pick one if not | 15:42 |
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| AAzza | aha, understand) | 15:42 |
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| vkmc | maybe we can check how is it being done in Rally? | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: +1 | 15:44 |
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| sriram1 | Good idea. | 15:44 |
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| AAzza | definetely need to look at it | 15:45 |
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| flaper87 | awesome | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | anything else? | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | #topic Notifications | 15:46 |
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| flaper87 | I'm starting to look at this based on what we discussed at the summit | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | I'm figuring out a good way to do the webhooks dispatch | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | without locking the whole marocni node | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | the case I'm trying to figure out is when there're are more than 500 hooks subscribed on a single topic | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | calling all those hooks can be painful so we may need some extra nodes that will do this work for us | 15:47 |
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| flaper87 | just some thoughts, I'll write everything down soon | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | if you guys have ideas/feedback pls let me know | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:48 |
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| Obulpathi | so .. as apart of the recent hackday program .. we (Alex .. intern at rackspace and me) created a proof of concept for notifications service | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | #undo | 15:48 |
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| Obulpathi | so I am wondering if this will of anything interest here | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: absolutely, I had no idea you guys worked on this | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: you should've shared this before :P | 15:49 |
| malini | Obulpathi: can you post ur github rep (if you have it) | 15:49 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: is it pushed somehwere? | 15:49 |
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| Obulpathi | the core idea is to use lightweight containers to execute templatized or user given code | 15:49 |
| Obulpathi | hmm .. its a proof of concept .. | 15:50 |
| Obulpathi | its contains passwords and credentials | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: even a POC is useful | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | mmh, can you write the idea down somewhere? | 15:50 |
| Obulpathi | so I will clean it up and sent it to you guys fore review by today evening | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: awesome | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | thanks | 15:50 |
| malini | Obulpathi: tht will be awesome! | 15:50 |
| Obulpathi | sure ... I will document and mail it | 15:50 |
| flaper87 | perfect | 15:50 |
| Obulpathi | also I have another small item to discuss | 15:51 |
| Obulpathi | Last week I create a logo .. | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: wait, lemme open the discussion | 15:51 |
| Obulpathi | again this is proof of concept for Naav | 15:51 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:51 |
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| flaper87 | Obulpathi: so, is this logo somewhere? | 15:51 |
| Obulpathi | yes sir | 15:51 |
| Obulpathi | https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1bH5_h2BKD4oZxG1qmHrFLeEH2VfOguwACOHJoVKTRPs/edit | 15:51 |
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| Obulpathi | its a prototype .. | 15:51 |
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| Obulpathi | Naav means the vessel to carry the messages | 15:52 |
| Obulpathi | so a boat depicting the Naav service | 15:52 |
| Obulpathi | and the letters "N" "A" "A" "V" inside the logo represent the messages in a queue | 15:52 |
| flaper87 | HA! Nice! | 15:53 |
| malini | looks great ! | 15:53 |
| flaper87 | subtle and precise | 15:53 |
| Obulpathi | the design is asymmetrical to signify that messages are traveling in the direction of the sharp end | 15:53 |
| sriram1 | wow, looks like a lot of thought has gone into this :) | 15:53 |
| Obulpathi | thank you :) | 15:54 |
| Obulpathi | thanks to Balaji and Malini for feedback | 15:54 |
| malini | wait..did I give feeback? :D | 15:54 |
| Obulpathi | so if you guys like it ... I can get a better logo made | 15:54 |
| Obulpathi | I think you forgot malini :D | 15:55 |
| sriram1 | malini has a high throughput on suggestions ;) | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | great stuff guys | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | great stuff! | 15:55 |
| malini | yeah..right..I am good at telling everybody else what to do :-P | 15:55 |
| vkmc | it looks great :) it have a lot of meaning | 15:55 |
| Obulpathi | thank vkmc ;) | 15:56 |
| Obulpathi | :) | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: thanks for the work there | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | ok guy, 4mins left | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | anything else you guys want to discuss? | 15:56 |
| Obulpathi | thanks flaper87 | 15:56 |
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| malini | anything new from our TC rep? | 15:56 |
| Obulpathi | will mail you the write up and code for containers .. please go through it .. any feedback will be appreciated | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | malini: not about the email, he's been quite busy. I'll keep you guys updated | 15:57 |
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| flaper87 | Obulpathi: +1 | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | will do | 15:57 |
| malini | thanks flaper87! | 15:57 |
| Obulpathi | thanks guys | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | right on! | 15:57 |
| vkmc | thanks all :) | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | closing the meeting | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | take care all, tty next week | 15:57 |
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| malini | bye | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | (yeah right, I'll ping you all in the channel) | 15:58 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| sriram1 | heh | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 8 15:58:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-07-08-15.02.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-07-08-15.02.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-07-08-15.02.log.html | 15:58 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 8 16:00:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| apmelton | o/ | 16:00 |
| iqbalmohomed | Hello | 16:01 |
| dguryanov | Hi! | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Our Agenda | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:01 | |
| dguryanov | Dmitry Guryanov, Parallels | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
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| thomasem | o/ | 16:02 |
| apmelton | Andrew Melton | 16:02 |
| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 16:02 |
| iqbalmohomed | Iqbal Mohomed, IBM Research | 16:02 |
| PaulCzar_ | Paul Czarkowski | 16:02 |
| erw_ | Eric Windisch, Docker | 16:02 |
| sew | steve wilson | 16:02 |
| xemul | Pavel Emelyanov, Parallels | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | good, looks like we have nice stronga ttendance today | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | feel free to chime in at any time to be recorded in the attendance | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Call For Proposals | 16:04 |
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| xemul | Proposal (sorry if this was already discussed): how to mount volumes in container? | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so this team has really made a ton of progress discussing our options | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | xemul: I will come abck to your question a bit later in the agenda. I have made a note | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | any other additions to the agenda? | 16:05 |
| xemul | Thank you | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so regarding Call for Proposals | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | we have discussed a good deal, and driven consensus on a number of topics | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | one thing taht's hard to do is think about the future in terms of abstracts | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | one way to make considerations easier is to draw a sketch | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | so I'm asking our team if we have volunteers willing to draw sketches in the form of spec proposals that will outline our future state of OpenStack with containers capability added | 16:07 |
| Slower | I wonder if a discussion on glance integration would be useful? | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | the idea here is that we would have more than one submission | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | Slower: for an interactive topic today, or in the scope of a containers proposal for OpenStack? | 16:08 |
| Slower | maybe interactive topic | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | Slower: okay, I have added that to my list. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | so I wanted two key outcomes from our time here today: | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Statements of interest from those willing to work on proposals | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | 2) A sense of where those proposals should be submitted | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | I'll work on #2 first while you each think about #1 | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | I suggest that the proposals follow a prevailing format used in a number of OpenStack projects... | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | Format to follow prevailing nova-specs template: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova-specs/tree/specs/template.rst | 16:10 |
| apmelton | +1 | 16:10 |
| funzo | adrian_otto: are proposals different than specs? | 16:11 |
| funzo | ah | 16:11 |
| erw_ | +1 on using specs | 16:11 |
| funzo | +1 | 16:11 |
| thomasem | +1 from me as well | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | if our proposals are actually *not* Nova centric, then we might want to make a containers-specs repo for this purpose | 16:11 |
| xemul | +1 for spec too | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so some support expressed for that format | 16:11 |
| thomasem | just a bit | 16:12 |
| thomasem | lol | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | does anyone have an alternate point fo view on how to express a concrete plan for adding container support in OpenStack? | 16:12 |
| erw_ | I am happy to work on specs. | 16:12 |
| xemul | I'd like to add my 5 cents for differentiating containers from Nova | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: Thanks. I will join you to help with that work. | 16:12 |
| thomasem | Would the containers-specs repo be a good location for specs that cover multiple OpenStack services? | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | thomasem: yes, that is a possibility | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | one advantage to using the nova-specs repo is that it is likely to get a lot of eyeballs from key stakeholders | 16:13 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: I propose we draft in an etherpad and transfer to a spec document, submitted via code-review for wider consideration | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | if we create a new repo, there is a risk that it may get less consideration | 16:14 |
| thomasem | that's very true | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: Good idea | 16:14 |
| thomasem | Is there an existing location for specs and features involving multiple services? | 16:14 |
| thomasem | specs related to* | 16:14 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: we could just discuss on a read-only version of the etherpad amongst the containers-folks and then submit to nova, as well | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | thomasem: not that I am aware of, each project handles them independently from what I have seen | 16:15 |
| apmelton | right now with nova, you add your specs to the juno directory, is that a commitment to have the changes in that proposal in juno? | 16:15 |
| apmelton | some of our changes may not be in scope for juno | 16:15 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: it’s a good point that specsa ren’t open for K yet. | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | it might also be wise to invite members of the OpenStack TC to review a containers spec, regardless of where it gets proposed | 16:15 |
| erw_ | and won’t be for a long while | 16:15 |
| erw_ | and specs are now closed for Juno | 16:15 |
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| dguryanov | We can discuss specs in openstack-dev mailing list | 16:16 |
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| erw_ | also, as a sub-team of Nova, I believe the proper plan for specs is in Nova and not outside of it | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | #agreed the Containers Team shall use one or more etherpad(s) for initial drafts of a "Containers for OpenStack" proposal | 16:16 |
| apmelton | erw_: I thought specs closed aug 21? | 16:16 |
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| thomasem | adrian_otto: Okay... I was wondering about that because, although a change involving multiple services would be broken down into specs for each one, it'd be good to have a higher-level concept to tie them all together, speaking to your earlier comment about difficulty in thinking abstractly. | 16:16 |
| apmelton | feature proposal freeze: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 16:17 |
| thomasem | Oh yeah, apmelton, I saw that your userns spec was referencing Juno, but yeah... | 16:17 |
| erw_ | apmelton: this isn’t something we plan to land in Juno, so I doubt it will be well-received. | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | thomasem: nothing prevents contributors of project A from commenting on a spec in project B | 16:17 |
| erw_ | it’s really a spec for K | 16:17 |
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| erw_ | and so close to FF, I doubt we’ll get eyes on it | 16:18 |
| apmelton | erw_: I totally agree what we're proposing isn't going to make Juno | 16:18 |
| thomasem | adrian_otto: true true | 16:18 |
| apmelton | ah so you're saying for our specs, the window is for all practical purposes closed | 16:18 |
| erw_ | I propose we sync with Mikal to find an agreement on the best path for the spec process | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | erw_: +1 | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | erw_: are you willing to take an action item to reach out to him? | 16:19 |
| apmelton | erw_: +1 that's a good idea | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | or would you prefer if I do that? | 16:19 |
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| erw_ | I don’t mind either way | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | #action Eric Windisch to check with Mikal for guidance on the best approach for submitting specification drafts for community discussion | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | in the mean time, we can work on etherpad documents | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | now, if the etherpad doc looks terrible to you, don't fret | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | we can afford to have a few alternate specs to consider | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | the cost of this approach is more work in expressing each set of ideas | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | the benefit is faster convergence on a preferred approach | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | any objection to proceeding with potentially multiple proposals? | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | I will ask that if we do end up with more than one, that each proposal recognize and reference others as alternatives | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | so reviewers see the complete picture of options | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | fair enough? | 16:23 |
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| dguryanov | Yes, it is. | 16:24 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: I think those that are working on proposals all be aware of each other and form an informal working group | 16:24 |
| erw_ | either by stating their intention today, or through proxy - ML, yourself, etc. | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, erw. My concern is that for those interested in providing external input also know about multiple choices in the works | 16:25 |
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| apmelton | adrian_otto: about alternatives, there is a section there for discussing alternatives. I also believe that links to reviews are discouraged in specs | 16:26 |
| apmelton | might just be links to code reviews though | 16:26 |
| apmelton | a spec review is different | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: the template is a guideline. Specs are in RST format, so we can fit it in. | 16:27 |
| apmelton | ok | 16:27 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: big question is how many are working on proposals? | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | on the subject of links to reviews of code contributions, that's probably a grey area meaning that the code came before the review, which in some projects is discouraged. | 16:28 |
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| apmelton | that makes sense | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | s/before the review/before the spec/ | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: I expect it to be a group of 4 or less, in all hosety | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | and we will source small bits of input from a dozen on this team, and maybe another dozen from outside the team | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | as any proposals take form, I suggest we discuss them here each week in terms of what's been added, and what comes next | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any further questions or concerns on this topic before I advance to the next? | 16:30 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: a note on the wiki page or an etherpad would be a way to at least link those that are working on this - along with contact details | 16:30 |
| erw_ | if anyone wants to ping us, or if we want to ping each other | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | erw_: good idea. I like that. | 16:31 |
| apmelton | erw_: I believe there's a section for that on each spec | 16:31 |
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| apmelton | the main author, and then other contributors | 16:31 |
| apmelton | or are you suggesting just a list of team members who've volunteered to draft specs? | 16:32 |
| erw_ | apmelton: it sounds like we’ll have several draft specs | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: A Wiki page for the initiative, like we have for our Team wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/Containers | 16:33 |
| apmelton | ok, sounds good to me | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | we could use a section of that, and link to it, or use a sub-page | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | any other thoughts on this topic? | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Volume mounting in containers | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | xemul "Proposal (sorry if this was already discussed): how to mount volumes in container?" | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | xemul: you have the floor | 16:34 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: do you have a link to the etherpad from two weeks ago? | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | Yes, one moment | 16:35 |
| erw_ | xemul: I’m interested to know if you have some ideas here. I’ve been working on this and have been making progress, but it’s all hypothetical / design, I haven’t written any code yet. | 16:35 |
| dguryanov | I have found a spec about libvirt lxc containers boot from volumes - https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs/blob/master/specs/juno/libvirt-start-lxc-from-block-devices.rst | 16:35 |
| dguryanov | Here is a quote from it^ | 16:36 |
| xemul | OK | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | We have one that we used during the host agent discussion on 6/24: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/containers-plugin-arch | 16:36 |
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| xemul | So the thing, the reason for not allowing this on host is -- if we provide corrupted disk image, mounting one can crash the box. | 16:36 |
| dguryanov | As LXC will always share the host's kernel, between all instanances, any vulnerability in the kernel, maybe used to harm the host. In general, the kernel's filesystem drivers should be trusted to free of vulnerabilities that the user filesystem image may exploit. | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | and one from the cinder support discussion: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-block-storage | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-block-storage Container Block Storage Options | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: I think that's the one you wanted | 16:37 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: yup, thanks! | 16:37 |
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| Slower | The boot from volumes is a slightly different problem | 16:38 |
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| Slower | and has a different set of security concerns | 16:38 |
| dguryanov | Why is it different | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | and from previous minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-17-22.00.html we agreed: | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | AGREED: our first step for cinder support with Containers shall be addressed by option 8 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-block-storage (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-17-22.00.log.html#l-169, 22:38:09) | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | AGREED: Option #6 from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-block-storage is not our preferred outcome. Secure by default is preferred. (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-06-17-22.00.log.html#l-213, 22:51:49) | 16:38 |
| erw_ | xemul: “crash the box” is a generous statement. | 16:38 |
| xemul | Well yes :) | 16:39 |
| xemul | I used one as "generic" | 16:39 |
| Slower | hmm | 16:39 |
| Slower | As LXC will always share the host's kernel, between all instanances, any vulnerability in the kernel, maybe used to harm the host. In general, the kernel's filesystem drivers should be trusted to free of vulnerabilities that the user filesystem image may exploit. | 16:39 |
| Slower | interesting statement | 16:39 |
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| xemul | Our point is that if we don't allow container to mount any FS and don't let it provide the virtual image it mounts, the security impact is not that big | 16:40 |
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| xemul | since e.g. ext4 has been there for many years and can be considered as "mostly harmless" in that sense | 16:41 |
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| Slower | dguryanov: you have to somehow mount the FS in the mounting-volumes case.. in the namespace of hte container | 16:41 |
| xemul | (sorry for being messy, the IRC format is quite unusual to me) | 16:41 |
| Slower | xemul: but they could use any FS.. | 16:42 |
| xemul | Containers? | 16:42 |
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| Slower | for mounting volumes (user provided FS image) | 16:42 |
| xemul | No, typically containers work on volumes they are provided with by the host | 16:42 |
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| thomasem | What's the most likely (~80%) case for which filesystem would be used? | 16:42 |
| Slower | I'm sure that would be ext[234] | 16:42 |
| xemul | In our experience the list is ext4 and tempfs | 16:42 |
| xemul | And some std linux ones like proc, sys and devtmpfs :) | 16:43 |
| erw_ | xemul: the problem is that with Cinder, we’re obligated to provide the block device to the container | 16:43 |
| Slower | but that doesn't mean someone couldn't do something malitious | 16:43 |
| thomasem | If we limit functionality in the ~80% case due to the other 20, we're probably hurting ourselves. | 16:43 |
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| erw_ | xemul: as such, we ARE allowing the container to control the raw filesystem | 16:43 |
| xemul | erw_, this is one of the reasons we should consider differentiating from VMs | 16:43 |
| Slower | that's an interesting idea.. we could do a FS type whitelist | 16:43 |
| thomasem | hmmm | 16:43 |
| erw_ | xemul: but this is where something like Manila or a similar alternative to Cinder is viable | 16:43 |
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| dguryanov | We can forbig raw access to a block device and only allow mounts | 16:44 |
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| Slower | raw access is the easier part | 16:44 |
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| xemul | erw_, I'll look at Manila, thanks | 16:44 |
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| funzo | and it's option #8 that we agreed upon | 16:44 |
| Slower | since it doesn't involve kernel level interaction | 16:45 |
| xemul | Raw access is typically not required | 16:45 |
| apmelton | ultimately, what are we trying to get with containers+cinder? | 16:45 |
| apmelton | if it's just a remote file system, Manila should cover that, right? | 16:45 |
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| funzo | firstly DefCore compliance, supporting volume attachment | 16:45 |
| xemul | +1 | 16:45 |
| erw_ | imho, containers+cinder, using the nova-volumes APIs should expose block devices into containers and containers should ideally be able to mount those volumes directly. | 16:46 |
| xemul | Containers also want to have some persistent data store | 16:46 |
| erw_ | I think there is room for extensions or alternative APIs that do more sane and reasonably safe things | 16:46 |
| erw_ | and we should propose those APIs or extensions | 16:46 |
| xemul | What if we expose raw device to driver, it mounts one and then launches container APP? | 16:46 |
| xemul | And container processes no longer have raw access to FS? | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | Let's spend just a moment longer on this topic so we can touch on the other remaining agenda item. We can revisit this in Open Discussion today as well. | 16:47 |
| erw_ | xemul: there are valid usecases to allowing raw access to block devices, though | 16:47 |
| xemul | erw_, what are they? | 16:47 |
| erw_ | xemul: cinder is NOT a filesystem service. Cinder is a raw block device service | 16:47 |
| xemul | erw_, I agree | 16:47 |
| erw_ | arguably, we don’t need to allow mounting filesystems from Cinder, period. | 16:47 |
| xemul | Should we take the new FileSystem service into consideration? | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | xemul: that is Manila, right? Or are you referring to something else? | 16:48 |
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| erw_ | it isn’t in the API contract and neither VMs nor containers should be obligated to being able to support understanding the arbitrary data that resides on those block devices | 16:48 |
| erw_ | and yes, filesystems are aribtrary data ;-) | 16:48 |
| apmelton | erw_: what are the pure block device use cases for container? | 16:48 |
| xemul | adrian_otto, probably Manila, yes. | 16:48 |
| erw_ | apmelton: raw memory heaps. databases. virtual tape drives. um… I’m sure I can think of more | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: see line 128 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-block-storage | 16:49 |
| xemul | erw_, raw access to device w/o mounting one could be an option too, by the way. | 16:49 |
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| xemul | User namespaces don't allow mounting arbitrary FS, so this is doable | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | ok, final thoughts before we advance topics? | 16:49 |
| xemul | And container may use two services -- Cinder for raw disks and Manila (?) for filesystems | 16:50 |
| xemul | My final thought (probably old, sorry if it is): | 16:50 |
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| Slower | I like the idea of a filesystem whitelist. That would let us at least limit the kernel code exposed in volume mounting | 16:50 |
| xemul | Since we're talking about Manila -- probably it makes sense to think of Containers service which is not Nova driver | 16:50 |
| Slower | xemul: that is also a good point.. cinder & manila | 16:50 |
| xemul | One of the reasons -- scaling the containers | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | Slower: please record taht in the etherpad | 16:51 |
| xemul | The thing is -- applying the larger or smaller memory on container is much easier (and actually works) than for VM | 16:51 |
| funzo | The API that's implemented for the nova-driver could easily be a subset of container service API impl | 16:51 |
| xemul | That said, scaling in terms of applying new flavor might not be that good | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, this is a good discussion, so I'm reluctant to cut it short. I suggest we revisit this again next week. | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:52 |
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| xemul | I don't mind | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | Reminder: adrian_otto will be on vacation 2014-07-11 to 2014-07-24. Eric Windisch will chair our 2014-07-15 and 2014-07-22 meetings. | 16:52 |
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| funzo | adrian_otto: enjoy the vacation! | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | erw_: you'll own the agenda. I'm happy to help out in any way you want before my departure | 16:52 |
| xemul | adrian_otto, is the new meeting time already selected? | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | xemul: see: | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Meeting Schedule and Agenda | 16:53 |
| Slower | adrian_otto: done | 16:53 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: thanks. | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Glance Integration | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | Slower: proceed | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | I will call time in a couple of minutes for Open Discussion, and then adjournment. This topic should be revisited next week as well. | 16:54 |
| Slower | I'm realizing that there are some differences in how image/glance integration would work in eg LXC vs docker | 16:54 |
| Slower | yeah we can punt if you want | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | let's discuss for just a moment | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | at least let us start to think on this topic | 16:55 |
| Slower | so erw_ is working on putting the docker containers inside glance | 16:55 |
| erw_ | well, how about I start with the work I’ve been doing the past week | 16:55 |
| erw_ | haha | 16:55 |
| Slower | erw_: go ahead | 16:55 |
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| erw_ | I’ve ripped out the docker-registry as a proxy | 16:55 |
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| erw_ | and have implemented save/load of images into/out-of glance | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | erw_: yay!! | 16:56 |
| xemul | erw_, and how do images look like? | 16:56 |
| erw_ | adrian_otto: there are some serious security issues though, which I’d like to discuss - but we can offline that | 16:56 |
| xemul | I mean -- is it container FS packed into virtual disk image? | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | indeed | 16:56 |
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| Slower | and in theory if the image is not in glance it will attempt to pull from docker registry, correct? | 16:56 |
| erw_ | xemul: docker ‘save’ will create a tarball containing multiple layers and tags | 16:56 |
| xemul | Ah OK. Thanks. | 16:57 |
| erw_ | they’re then imported via ‘docker load' | 16:57 |
| Slower | yeah it's native docker format right? | 16:57 |
| erw_ | Slower: no. | 16:57 |
| erw_ | er.. | 16:57 |
| erw_ | no the the first question | 16:57 |
| erw_ | yes to the second - it’s a “docker native format" | 16:57 |
| Slower | erw_: ah, how do we get new images into glance? | 16:57 |
| erw_ | where “a tar ball of tarballs and a manifest file” == native to docker | 16:57 |
| funzo | oh, I thought I saw a pull if the image isn't found | 16:57 |
| funzo | I probably misread | 16:57 |
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| apmelton | erw_: so each glance image is a tarball of a tarball? | 16:57 |
| erw_ | Slower: it would be something like, “docker save cirros | glance image-create" | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:58 |
| Slower | erw_: ah so it has to be in the local registry to be available? | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | feel free to continue this discussion | 16:58 |
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| apmelton | when nova boots does docker have to pull the entire tarball down, or are layers some how preserved? | 16:58 |
| erw_ | Slower: You would have a machien running docker to export the tarball from | 16:58 |
| erw_ | and from that tarball, you can import it into glance | 16:58 |
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| Slower | hrrm | 16:59 |
| erw_ | apmelton: it would pull the entire tarball down, which would write layers into the system.. | 16:59 |
| Slower | so not very good docker registry integration then.. not like before | 16:59 |
| thomasem | I've got to run, unfortunately. Catch y'all next week! | 16:59 |
| erw_ | apmelton: so this is where there are security issues... | 16:59 |
| erw_ | apmelton: the layers and the tags in these tarballs are arbitrary... | 16:59 |
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| apmelton | yea, you could have a massive uncompressed image | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | we timed out, sorry guys | 17:00 |
| erw_ | apmelton: worse, you could overwrite the local docker’s idea of “ubuntu" | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for attending! | 17:00 |
| erw_ | from your “cirrus” image. | 17:00 |
| apmelton | erw_: scary | 17:00 |
| erw_ | *cirros | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 8 17:00:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-07-08-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-07-08-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-07-08-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | feel free to continue in #nova-docker on this topic or #openstack-containers for other topics. | 17:01 |
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| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 8 17:02:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:02 |
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| ruhe | any murano contributors today? | 17:02 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:02 |
| sjmc7 | hi | 17:02 |
| ankurrr | hello | 17:02 |
| dteselkin_ | Hi | 17:02 |
| stanlagun | hi | 17:03 |
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| tsufiev | here | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | katyafervent: ping | 17:03 |
| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | agenda didn't change much from the previous meeting. would anyone like to add new item for the agenda right now? | 17:04 |
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| sjmc7 | ruhe - yeah.. we've had some problems with long-running reviews | 17:04 |
| sjmc7 | and related to scoping | 17:04 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: ok. let's put "long-running reviews right after the action items topic" | 17:05 |
| ruhe | #topic action items review | 17:05 |
| katyafervent | hi | 17:05 |
| sjmc7 | and also i'd like to briefly discuss external changes getting rushed through | 17:05 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: ack | 17:05 |
| ruhe | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-07-01-17.01.txt | 17:05 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: ping again | 17:05 |
| katyafervent | I'm here | 17:06 |
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| ruhe | katyafervent: katyafervent__ investigate | 17:06 |
| ruhe | https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1328512 | 17:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328512 in murano "Pressing "quick deploy" too quickly may cause an error" [High,In progress] | 17:06 |
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| ruhe | seems like this bug has a fix proposed | 17:07 |
| ruhe | ah, it's the one we decided to postpone and rework | 17:07 |
| katyafervent | I can't catch it, but did not try too hard | 17:07 |
| sjmc7 | i think a lot of time got spent on this and i don't believe it's a serious problem | 17:07 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: do you suggest to move this one to "low" priority? | 17:08 |
| tsufiev | afair, it's 3rd meeting when that issue gets attention :) | 17:08 |
| sjmc7 | i think so | 17:08 |
| ruhe | ok. changed to low priority and set status to "new" | 17:09 |
| ruhe | next AI is: katyafervent to provide an update on horizon/dashboard/selenium tests research | 17:09 |
| katyafervent | BTW tsufiev reworked quick deploy behaviour a bit - now environment is created only after forms got filled | 17:09 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent, that was quite a long ago. The aforementioned bug has nothing to do with it. | 17:10 |
| katyafervent | Well I research that they mocked everything while using selenium | 17:10 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe, currently I'm researching... well, try to write a test for Horizon fix using both some js-tests and selenium | 17:11 |
| tsufiev | s/try/trying/ | 17:11 |
| katyafervent | tsufiev, the bug is also old, may be it was caught without that fix | 17:11 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: it would be great if you could compose a document where you would describe how it's done in horizon and pros and cons of this approach for testing murano-dashboard | 17:11 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe, but as we long we don't want to test client-side code in muranodashboard, things will be simpler | 17:12 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: simpler is better | 17:12 |
| katyafervent | ruhe, ok. do you need a research on all type of tests? | 17:12 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: i think, just selenium | 17:13 |
| ruhe | btully had ideas (or patches) to run unit tests for dashboard | 17:13 |
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| sjmc7 | i think ryan did some work on it, and got it working for one of the modal dialogs | 17:14 |
| sjmc7 | but it's tricky | 17:14 |
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| sjmc7 | and once you get to testing JS stuff, it's very hard | 17:14 |
| ruhe | #action katyafervent conduct a document about selenium testing approaches in horizon. also describe pros and cons of this approach for testing murano-dashboard | 17:14 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: yeah. guys from storyboard have a great js,selenium,etc testing infrastructure, but afaik it's not applicable for horizon | 17:15 |
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| ruhe | there two more action items, but they don't have assignees. so, let's move to next topics and discuss those AIs in the "open discussion" section | 17:16 |
| katyafervent | agreed | 17:16 |
| ruhe | #topic long-running reviews | 17:16 |
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| ruhe | i can confirm that some of reviews take to much time and definitely some of them should receive earlier review feedback | 17:17 |
| sjmc7 | occasionally scope seems to change too | 17:17 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, i think horizon is moving towards the approach used in storyboard, but slowly | 17:17 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: can you please outline the issues you've found | 17:17 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, i mean, recently they started to use AngularJS and added a few Jasmine client-side test for it | 17:18 |
| sjmc7 | we had one particular case where maybe the definition wasn't defined enough (adding supplier info to packages) but it's been under review forever | 17:18 |
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| sjmc7 | and new features came in in the interim (like adding HOT support), which became reasons for rejecting the change | 17:18 |
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| sjmc7 | i'm not sure what the right way to handle that is, but it is disheartening to have to keep revisiting the same patch | 17:18 |
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| ankurrr | my suggestion is that after a certain point (maybe 1 week or 2 weeks) if most serious feedback has been addressed, maybe any other serious feedback should be filed as a bug. otherwise, a patch will get stuck in review forever it's very easy for it to be out of date with so many changes | 17:19 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: aggree. that's really unfortunate | 17:20 |
| ruhe | ankurrr: right. that blueprint was filed long time ago and patch was almost ready to be merged by the end of juno1 | 17:20 |
| sjmc7 | it's made worse i think by the timezone difference - it means feedback is less immediate | 17:20 |
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| sjmc7 | with this particular case partially i think it's that the spec wasn't really tied down, and i have certainly had this happen on other projects too | 17:21 |
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| sjmc7 | but like ankur says, it might be better to iterate than keep rebasing the same patch | 17:21 |
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| ruhe | i thought that this patch passed murano-ci tests. tnurlygayanov please make sure that this patch passed murano-ci, and if it doesn't, please help ankurrr to pass the tests | 17:22 |
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| ankurrr | one other point: for a blueprint, it's easier to get a bugfix reviewed and merged than it is to get a larger change reviewed and merge . maybe another alternative is to break down blueprints into smaller tickets and have the smaller changes merged separately? | 17:23 |
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| ruhe | ankurrr: i appologize that you had to maintain this patch for so long. that shouldn't happen and i should've notice that earlier | 17:23 |
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| ruhe | ankurrr: yes, breaking down a large blueprint into smaller pieces does make sense | 17:24 |
| ankurrr | ruhe: no problem. simply sounds like we need to improve the review process | 17:24 |
| ankurrr | not sure what the best solution is | 17:24 |
| tsufiev | not only the review process, but also bp approval process :) | 17:24 |
| ankurrr | touche | 17:25 |
| ruhe | re: review process. i tried to use customized review dashboards. it's a project developed by Sean Dague and it helped to identify long-waiting reviews. so, this might help | 17:26 |
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| ruhe | re: bp approval process - here is what i'm trying to do now - once BP author submitted a BP, i'm trying to get feedback from related core team members and related people who work on this area. and only then, approve the blueprint | 17:27 |
| ruhe | what else can we do? | 17:27 |
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| sjmc7 | i think make sure bps are properly scoped | 17:28 |
| sjmc7 | more design review | 17:28 |
| sjmc7 | too many are just a few lines | 17:28 |
| ruhe | maybe we should adopt specs repo approach? | 17:28 |
| katyafervent | I have couple of patches that were on review for more than 3 weeks ... that's because the first feedback was provided only after a week. | 17:28 |
| sjmc7 | easier then to say "well, the change fits the bp" | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | https://github.com/openstack/?query=specs | 17:28 |
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| katyafervent | and if somebody saw -1 he even does not look on a patch | 17:29 |
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| katyafervent | which is wrong policy | 17:29 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent, -1 from Jenkins is a sign for me that I should wait with review - until it disappears | 17:30 |
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| ruhe | katyafervent: (and everybode else who sees this problem) please don't hesitate to ping people in irc, even every day, if you see that no one is paying attention | 17:31 |
| katyafervent | tsufiev, how often do you check ether it from Jenkins or not + you can still review it | 17:31 |
| sjmc7 | i've been guilty of that a couple of times, i'll try harder | 17:31 |
| ruhe | and if that doesn't work, ping me in person | 17:31 |
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| ankurrr | true, maybe we need to be more proactive in getting others to review a change | 17:31 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: sergmelikyan: stanlagun: what do you think about adopting specs repo approach? | 17:31 |
| ruhe | ankurrr: ^^ | 17:32 |
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| stanlagun | +1 | 17:32 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent, frankly speaking not very often :( | 17:32 |
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| ankurrr | sure, we can go the specs repo route | 17:32 |
| katyafervent | tsufiev, what percent of review gets -1 from the first time? | 17:32 |
| ruhe | here is an example of spec Alex is writing for Glance Artifact repo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100968/ | 17:32 |
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| katyafervent | if you review all patches even if it would -1 from Jenkins you will reduce the amount of patchsets | 17:33 |
| ruhe | it's really big because it's a really big change for Glance | 17:33 |
| katyafervent | and not only you, everybody can :) | 17:33 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, not sure that we are ready to adopt specs repo... First of all it will reduce development speed a lot. I suggest to postpone till the next cycle | 17:34 |
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| ruhe | sergmelikyan: yes, it has this downside, it reduces development speed. on the other hand it helps to draft a clear specification, where everybody will have time to leave feedback. that should help to produce clearer and understandable changes into the project | 17:35 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: what do you think about that? | 17:35 |
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| sjmc7 | i don't think there has to be a huge formal process | 17:36 |
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| sjmc7 | but if a bp is a sentence, and i can't immediately see how i'd implement it, maybe it needs some more detail | 17:37 |
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| katyafervent | sjmc7, that makes sense. we can always provide specification url | 17:37 |
| katyafervent | or if it fits to description of the bp - provide it there | 17:38 |
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| ruhe | ok. i guess that'll be a long-running AI on me. make sure spec is clearly written and most of the correct team left a postive feedack on it | 17:38 |
| ruhe | ... before BP is approved | 17:38 |
| ruhe | anything else on this topic (long-running reviews)? | 17:39 |
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| sjmc7 | nope | 17:40 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: you also wanted to discuss another topic. right? | 17:40 |
| sjmc7 | yes. let me remember what it was | 17:40 |
| ruhe | scope changes | 17:40 |
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| sjmc7 | that was related | 17:40 |
| sjmc7 | the other topic was the change from yesterday, the heat stack thing | 17:41 |
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| sjmc7 | and in general, making changes that will affect users and support scenarios | 17:41 |
| sjmc7 | internal changes i'm (sort of) ok rushing through | 17:42 |
| sjmc7 | but things that could change e.g. documentation need to at least be discussed | 17:42 |
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| ruhe | we discussed that with stanlagun and sergmelikyan. i believe we're clear now that no change should be merged that fast | 17:42 |
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| sjmc7 | k | 17:43 |
| ruhe | also, since we're in different timezones (we're on opposite sides of the globe) we should alway give time to review and provide feedback to folks from the other side | 17:43 |
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| sjmc7 | good enough for me | 17:44 |
| ruhe | anything else on this topic? | 17:44 |
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| sjmc7 | nope | 17:44 |
| katyafervent | so everybody should start work day with reviewing new patches :) | 17:44 |
| tsufiev | speaking of discussing wide-scope changes... | 17:44 |
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| tsufiev | I'd like to draw a bit of your attention to that change in dynamic UI http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039405.html | 17:45 |
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| ruhe | probably ankurrr and btully could give feedback in this thread? | 17:47 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe, or katyafervent | 17:47 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe, should I have asked that question in the related BP's whiteboard? | 17:48 |
| ruhe | yep. katyafervent: can you start your work day by replying on this mail? ;) | 17:48 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: you could, but mail is fine too | 17:48 |
| katyafervent | ruhe, ok | 17:49 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, ok, then won't add it there | 17:49 |
| btully | feedback on patch reviews or feedback on the dynamic UI bp? | 17:49 |
| ruhe | btully: dynamic ui bp | 17:49 |
| btully | k i'l take a look | 17:49 |
| tsufiev | btully, it was kind of FYI message :)... so far I agree with stanlagun suggestion | 17:50 |
| ruhe | we don't have much time left. let's move to the next topic | 17:50 |
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| ruhe | #topic important bugs we need to fix | 17:50 |
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| ruhe | there is one filed by sjmc7 just recently about fqn not being an unique field in the DB | 17:51 |
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| sergmelikyan | http://j.mp/murano-j-bugs | 17:51 |
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| sergmelikyan | ^^ open bugs on Murano | 17:51 |
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| ruhe | there are two critical bugs without assignees | 17:52 |
| sergmelikyan | If you think some bug require higher priority please - mention it now | 17:52 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: stanlagun: would you be able to take care of those two critical bugs? | 17:53 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, they are really big bugs... We need to rewrite noticeable piece of code | 17:53 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, sure, but I am not sure about j2 scope | 17:53 |
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| sergmelikyan | took https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1325101 | 17:54 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1325101 in murano "[api] marks environments deleted regardless of actual state" [Critical,Confirmed] | 17:54 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: we can take an approach similar to BPs. you can draft a document with description of the fix and discuss that document with the team | 17:54 |
| stanlagun | ruhe, ok | 17:54 |
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| ruhe | but, before you jump into possible "big changes", please discuss your plan with the team | 17:55 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, definitely | 17:55 |
| ruhe | any other important bugs we should discuss today? | 17:56 |
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| ruhe | #topic current state of murano testing | 17:57 |
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| ruhe | murano-ci is moving to become stable enough, but not there yet | 17:57 |
| ruhe | we plan to allocate new server which you help to make it more stable | 17:57 |
| ruhe | *which would | 17:58 |
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| ruhe | murano-dasbhard didn't fail for a long time though | 17:58 |
| ruhe | would anyone like to add somethig for this topic? | 17:59 |
| sergmelikyan | I would like to draw attention to CI related fix: https://review.openstack.org/105398 | 17:59 |
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| ruhe | we're out of time. let's continue at #murano | 18:00 |
| sergmelikyan | without this fix Murano CI is running tests on outdated version of Core Library | 18:00 |
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| ruhe | thanks everyone. this was an important and valuable meeting | 18:00 |
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| ruhe | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 8 18:00:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-07-08-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-07-08-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-07-08-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 8 22:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 22:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Our Agenda | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:00 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:00 |
| paulmo_ | Paul Montgomery | 22:00 |
| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 22:00 |
| ravips | Ravi Sankar Penta | 22:00 |
| PaulCzar_ | Paul Czarkowski | 22:00 |
| tomblank | Tom Blankenship | 22:00 |
| peoplemerge | Dave Thomas | 22:00 |
| james_li | James Li | 22:01 |
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| muralia | murali allada | 22:01 |
| aratim | Arati Mahimane | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | welcome back gpilz (returned from vacation) | 22:02 |
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| paulmo_ | Just in time for your turn :) | 22:02 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | :-) | 22:02 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 22:02 |
| datsun180b | right before the buzzer | 22:02 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome everyone. Feel free to chime in at any time to be recorded in attendance today | 22:03 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 22:03 |
| anish_karmarkar | Anish Karmarkar | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:03 | |
| adrian_otto | Reminder: adrian_otto will be on vacation 2014-07-11 to 2014-07-24. Tom Blankenship (tomblank) has agreed to act as interim chair for 2014-07-15 and 2014-07-22 meetings. | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | I will be sending tom my tips so it should run smoothly | 22:03 |
| tomblank | hopefully :) | 22:04 |
| roshanagr | Roshan Agrawal | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | there is a remote chance that I may be able to attend one or two of them, but I am going to have Tom query you for agenda items | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | so I had an announcement for "Mistral Log Jam Cleared" which turned out to still be jammed | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | we have a +A patch that should unjam us: https://review.openstack.org/105484 | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | long story short, we removed stackforge/solum from the list of projects that mirror requirements with OpenStack to allow us to use python-mistralclient | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | I am hopeful that at a later time we can rejoin that list, but without a job system we were left little choice | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | OpenStack *did* move to a full pypi mirror, but the requirements enforcement changes did not happen | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | so we had to opt out of that. | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | any question on this? | 22:06 |
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| devkulkarni | good to have all the options discussed on this point | 22:07 |
| datsun180b | makes sense for now | 22:07 |
| devkulkarni | thanks for working on this adrian_otto | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | we really tried every possible alternative | 22:07 |
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| devkulkarni | yeah, I agree | 22:07 |
| datsun180b | we can still do our best to adhere to global-reqs even if it's not mechanically enforced | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: yes, I plan to submit a bug tocket… | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | ticket | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | that calls for an automated job to submit patches just like the openstack bot does | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | so we can stay as close as possible but still use what we need | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | so anyone interested in that, let me know and I will shoot you the bug number as soon as I open it | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:09 | |
| adrian_otto | (none) | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Code Review Guidelines | 22:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Code Review Guidelines (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:09 | |
| adrian_otto | Discussion of code reviews, and suggestions for reviewers to help keep quality and throughput up on our review queue. | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Contributing#Review_Guidelines New Review Guidelines | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | many of us have already seen this and begun to apply the new guidance | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | if you ahve not seen it yet, please take a moment now to read it (it's short) | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | some of it is informative | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | and some of it is new guidance, particularly the part about how we should deal with votes and questions | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | you ahve a chance to use your "0" vote option to ask questions that should not interfere with the merge process | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | feel free to use your best judgement on when to use which option | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | discussion on this? | 22:11 |
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| adrian_otto | any suggestions for improving this further? | 22:12 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul! | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | isn't it an absurd time of day for you? | 22:13 |
| asalkeld | also please don't -1 if jenkins -1 | 22:13 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: you should contribute this to wider openstack | 22:13 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: good idea. Let's test it out and see how well it works for us. | 22:13 |
| asalkeld | (no point in duplicating jenkins) | 22:14 |
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| adrian_otto | asalkeld: good point. We should probably "0" fote with pointers to why jenkins fails rather than a -1. That's a really good suggestion. | 22:14 |
| noorul | watching football semi finals | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | *vote | 22:14 |
| asalkeld | also no point in that | 22:14 |
| asalkeld | just leave until ready to go | 22:14 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I'll add that in | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | any other thoughts? | 22:14 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+NOT+label:Code-Review%253E%253D0%252Cself+label:Verified%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+NOT+label:Code-Review%253C%253D-1+NOT+label:Workflow%253C%253D-1+is:watched,n,z | 22:14 |
| asalkeld | try that ^ | 22:15 |
| gpilz | should we add Angus' point to the guidelines? | 22:15 |
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| asalkeld | to see what to review | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | wow, that's a real hum dinger | 22:15 |
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| adrian_otto | I thought of one additional improvement we could make | 22:15 |
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| datsun180b | do comments count as +0, or are they a separate mechanism from reviews altogether? | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | when we have a WIP review, use the workflow-1 flag | 22:15 |
| datsun180b | because we have a comment button in addition to the review button | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: comments allow you to select the vote score | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | comments without votes can be added after a patch merges | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | votes can only be applied before merge | 22:16 |
| datsun180b | gotcha | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, good suggestions on this, thanks! | 22:17 |
| PaulCzar_ | I’m okay with people adding comments into why a jenkins job failed … as long as its not just parrotting the failure ( although sometimes the reason for failure can be hard to fine, even if its in the logs ) | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | I have tried to offer a link to the actual failure | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | (probably right most of the time, I hope) | 22:18 |
| datsun180b | sometimes those suckers are three logfiles deep | 22:18 |
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| asalkeld | maybe helpfully if non-obvious | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | right, which if you have found it, could help the contributor resolve it more quickly | 22:19 |
| datsun180b | like when devstack fails to set up or a freak accident means pypi.openstack is unreachable | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 22:19 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/juno-2 Juno Development Tasks | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | Pipelines | 22:19 |
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| asalkeld | so going well | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | I already touched on what I think is a resolution to our mistral dependency issue | 22:20 |
| asalkeld | exactly | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | there is definitely plenty of code waiting for review there | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | I'd encourage everyone to take a good look at that | 22:20 |
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| asalkeld | I'll keep working on it | 22:21 |
| asalkeld | when it gets in more people can get stuck in | 22:21 |
| asalkeld | need any more info? | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we can advanct to the next | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | unless others have questions or concerns? | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | Build Farm | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | link https://review.openstack.org/100539 Build Farm Spec | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/100539 Build Farm Spec | 22:23 |
| devkulkarni | Paris might be asleep by now | 22:23 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 22:23 |
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| adrian_otto | I saw more work on this from Julien | 22:23 |
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| adrian_otto | so I get the sense this is advancing nicely as well | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | Private git repo integration (ravips) | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/support-private-github-repos Private Repo Blueprint | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1319604 Private Repo Feature Task | 22:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1319604 in solum "Improvement: Add support for private GitHub repos" [Wishlist,In progress] | 22:24 |
| ravips | I got good inputs from the team last week, updated BP...new WIP code: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105605/ | 22:24 |
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| devkulkarni | thanks ravips. will take a look | 22:24 |
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| adrian_otto | so ravips, last week you responded quickly to the idea of using a WIP review. | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | do you feel that was a helpful approach? | 22:25 |
| ravips | adrian_otto: yeah, WIP review was very helpful | 22:25 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, good. I noticed a change in direction within about an hour of posting that | 22:25 |
| devkulkarni | yeah. it helped that we all were discussing the WIP as soon as it got posted | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for your continued work on this feature. This will help us reach those who are using GitHub but not for opensource projects | 22:26 |
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| adrian_otto | Chained Trusts (julienvey, asalkeld) | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/99908 Spec for Trusts Redelegation | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | anything new on this? | 22:27 |
| asalkeld | no | 22:27 |
| asalkeld | we can work around it | 22:27 |
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| asalkeld | create an empty heat stack | 22:28 |
| asalkeld | at pipeline create time | 22:28 |
| asalkeld | then mistral passes the trust token about | 22:28 |
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| asalkeld | should all be good | 22:28 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 22:28 |
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| adrian_otto | Mysterious Failures in Gate Tests | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | this is more of an FYI | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/100869 Example of review with apparently unrelated gate failures. | 22:29 |
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| adrian_otto | I wanted to flag this for input from team members | 22:29 |
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| adrian_otto | the gate failure does not *appear* to be related to the code in the patch | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | and it's not the first time we have seen this | 22:29 |
| asalkeld | could just be a slow node | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | does anyony know what's actually going on? | 22:30 |
| asalkeld | it waits for the deployer to delete the stack | 22:30 |
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| asalkeld | if not it doesn't delete the assembly | 22:30 |
| asalkeld | and all plan deletes fail | 22:30 |
| asalkeld | the tests seem to use the same plan id | 22:30 |
| asalkeld | and assembly id | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | oh, that's a bug! | 22:31 |
| asalkeld | well that is bad tests | 22:31 |
| asalkeld | not a function bug | 22:31 |
| asalkeld | functional | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | a bug in func tests | 22:31 |
| asalkeld | sure | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that makes *much* more sense now | 22:32 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, next topic | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | #topic DIB-as-a-service | 22:32 |
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| adrian_otto | this came up while reviewing the custom language pack spec | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | Should we consider making a REST API and service for producing VM disk images. If so, how should it work? | 22:33 |
| asalkeld | we have it already | 22:33 |
| asalkeld | solum-builder-api | 22:33 |
| asalkeld | it accepts dib | 22:33 |
| PaulCzar_ | adrian_otto: I think we can table DIB, it maybe become irrelevent after we switch to using coreos+docker for VMs | 22:33 |
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| adrian_otto | fair enough | 22:34 |
| peoplemerge | good to know | 22:34 |
| PaulCzar_ | so until we want to tackle windows … DIB is probably a distraction. I think. | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | paulmo_: good point | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | hi peoplemerge | 22:34 |
| devkulkarni | asalkeld: solum-builder-api accepts dib, as in it accepts different elements via REST api? | 22:35 |
| asalkeld | it sees dib as a type of app | 22:35 |
| asalkeld | needs to be in a git repo | 22:35 |
| peoplemerge | hi adrian_otto we were just talking about that | 22:35 |
| devkulkarni | how does it handle different elements? | 22:36 |
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| devkulkarni | in git repo, we will have different elements? | 22:36 |
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| asalkeld | so you provide the element | 22:36 |
| asalkeld | and depend on elements that dib provides | 22:36 |
| asalkeld | not tested much | 22:36 |
| devkulkarni | will look into it.. | 22:37 |
| devkulkarni | okay | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | A change was merged to stackforge/solum: Adding projects.txt check for devstack https://review.openstack.org/105484 | 22:37 |
| asalkeld | but we were planing to use that for custom images a some point | 22:37 |
| asalkeld | woot ^ | 22:37 |
| noorul | isnt dib hypervisor dependent? | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | whoot x 10^6 | 22:37 |
| devkulkarni | right. and that's what came up in the custom-lang-pack spec | 22:37 |
| PaulCzar_ | noorul: yes! it seems to only really support qcow2 images … maybe raw .img | 22:38 |
| asalkeld | it's the nature of the tool | 22:38 |
| asalkeld | imo just support different tools | 22:38 |
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| asalkeld | so users can use what they want | 22:38 |
| datsun180b | after projects.txt merged, next in that chain is 'Add mistral client' | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | I am ordering rechecks now | 22:40 |
| noorul | shouldn't you rebase | 22:41 |
| asalkeld | yeah, I'll do that | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | tx | 22:42 |
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| asalkeld | done | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open DIscussion | 22:42 |
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| adrian_otto | I have one topic for here | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | that I thought of earlier in the meeting when we touched on weak func tests | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | what's the best way for us to wrap a timeout around a func test? | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | so if something is running slow we see that in the fail logs as "Test timed Out" or something? | 22:43 |
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| adrian_otto | does tempest offer anything for this? | 22:44 |
| asalkeld | adrian_otto, I think make a bug and let's see what is really the problem | 22:44 |
| asalkeld | I am not sure if the wait is in tests or assembly | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | ok. | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | other topics? | 22:45 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/stackforge/solum/blob/master/solum/deployer/handlers/heat.py#L97 | 22:46 |
| asalkeld | the wait is in deployer | 22:46 |
| asalkeld | tests could wait a bit longer | 22:46 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: any word on mid-cycle meetup? | 22:46 |
| devkulkarni | there was some discussion about this a while back | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: we will revisit that next week. Tom will lead that pursuit. | 22:47 |
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| devkulkarni | okay | 22:47 |
| asalkeld | do we need one? are we enough on-track | 22:47 |
| devkulkarni | asalkeld: I had similar thoughts | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | asalkeld: good question. | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | I'm happy to skip it if we think we can be as effective without one. | 22:48 |
| asalkeld | it is quite expensive | 22:48 |
| tomblank | asakleld: are you saying you don't think we really need one for this cycle? | 22:48 |
| asalkeld | it's good at resolving big issues | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | for those of us who would travel to Ausin to attend, how do you feel about it? | 22:48 |
| devkulkarni | one possibility is combine it with some other team (heat, mistral, nova, etc.) | 22:48 |
| asalkeld | there is an infra/heat meetup in germany | 22:49 |
| asalkeld | bit late for that | 22:49 |
| gpilz | it's easy for people already in north america - expensive and exhausting for those who aren't | 22:49 |
| asalkeld | and far | 22:49 |
| PaulCzar_ | skipping it could be good for those on tight budgets (money or time) to justify Paris | 22:49 |
| gpilz | have we tried google meetups (or similar) in lieu of physical meetings? | 22:49 |
| asalkeld | gpilz, i think TZ is out enemy not tech | 22:50 |
| asalkeld | s/out/our | 22:50 |
| asalkeld | but we could try more at that | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: Yes, aslakeld is right, we are in too many timezones to let that work smoothly. | 22:51 |
| noorul | also it has limit on users | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: Asusme we could use a tool so the limit were a non-issue | 22:51 |
| asalkeld | we need some good thoughts on plans and infra/pipeline integration | 22:51 |
| asalkeld | also bringing back the concept of services | 22:51 |
| asalkeld | possibly merging services and infra | 22:52 |
| devkulkarni | asalkeld: imo, we need to take a hard look at how things like CLI are going to be affected with the the new pipeline stuff | 22:52 |
| noorul | i thought google is tge only choice | 22:52 |
| asalkeld | skype? | 22:52 |
| asalkeld | does it do groups?? | 22:52 |
| PaulCzar_ | I think google is okay, those of us in groups can find a way to share a connection | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: Hangouts is the easiest, but there are other things to try as well. | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | asalkeld: yes, Skype will allow groups. | 22:53 |
| datsun180b | we've been banging our head against the ceiling of hangouts though | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | WebEx has it, and all the similar meeting services, like the ones from Level3. | 22:53 |
| PaulCzar_ | also `If you activate Google+ premium features, the limit increases to 15 participants for Hangouts created from Google Calendar events.` | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | so we can begin using one of those tools. | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | GoToMeeting is another | 22:53 |
| gpilz | i can look into using our WebEx | 22:54 |
| asalkeld | maybe try something crazy like non live video | 22:54 |
| clarkb | you can always go the "simple" route and use pbx.openstack.org and screenshare with something like vlc | 22:54 |
| gpilz | hehe | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | asalkeld: you are smoking something awesome. Pass some to me! | 22:54 |
| clarkb | er vnc | 22:54 |
| clarkb | though I wonder if vlc does that too. that would be neat | 22:54 |
| clarkb | (it probably does) | 22:55 |
| asalkeld | adrian_otto, facebook "leave a video message"? | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | clarkb: oh, neat | 22:55 |
| datsun180b | it worked for Professor O'Blivion in Videodrome | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | clarkb: "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at pbx.openstack.org." | 22:55 |
| clarkb | adrian_otto: you don't connect to it with firefox :) it isn't a webserver | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | oh, a SIP server? | 22:55 |
| clarkb | yes | 22:55 |
| clarkb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Conferencing | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | oh, my. | 22:56 |
| gpilz | i thought we were talking about video | 22:56 |
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| clarkb | gpilz: we are, see v*c comment | 22:56 |
| clarkb | I don't actually know hopw well that would work as I have never done it | 22:56 |
| clarkb | but ya | 22:56 |
| clarkb | http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/ | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | clarkb: that's really pretty cool | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we are closing in on our scheduled end time now | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | any more parting thoughts? | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | anyone else who would like to chime in to be recorded in attendance today? | 22:58 |
| datsun180b | "Any last words?" "Yes, just three." | 22:59 |
| devkulkarni | :) | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today. I'll see you back in three weeks. Tom will chair next time. | 23:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 8 23:00:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-07-08-22.00.html | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-07-08-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-07-08-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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