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| zns | #startmeeting satori | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 28 15:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:00 |
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| zns | Hi! Who's here for the satori meeting? | 15:01 |
| samstav | o/ | 15:01 |
| walker_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| walker_ | ohai | 15:01 |
| zns | solo :-) | 15:01 |
| n1ck-o | o/ | 15:01 |
| zns | I promised a short meeting last week and we ended up taking the whole hour. So no promises today. Let's get started... | 15:02 |
| zns | #topic Action Items | 15:02 |
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| zns | walker_ - Create a blueprint for choosing the escalation prefix ("sudo" OR "su -" OR ?) when running commands in ssh.py? | 15:02 |
| walker_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/allow-non-sudo-escalation | 15:03 |
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| zns | Great, thanks. | 15:03 |
| zns | samstav: 98383 and 106134 - I think those are almost ready for merge, right? | 15:03 |
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| samstav | yes, very close on 98383 | 15:05 |
| samstav | +2'd 106134 | 15:05 |
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| zns | Great. Forward progress. Thanks. | 15:05 |
| zns | Action items d and e don't look like real action items, are they? Refs to asyncio and event let.monkey_patch. walker_ , samstav ? | 15:05 |
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| samstav | I think those were just contextual links during the action items discussin | 15:06 |
| zns | OK. | 15:06 |
| samstav | Oh, sorry zns. | 15:06 |
| samstav | I referenced the wrong submission # | 15:07 |
| samstav | 106134 is abandoned (merged into 98383) | 15:07 |
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| zns | #topic general discussion | 15:07 |
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| samstav | But I +2'd 103612 | 15:07 |
| zns | And I think the Windows Support one has some minor fixes (spelling, style) and it will then pass. So very close. | 15:08 |
| zns | So, when Windows support goes in, we should probably cut a new release to pypi. | 15:08 |
| zns | n1ck-o: did your changes to impact also get submitted upstream? | 15:09 |
| zns | impacket | 15:09 |
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| n1ck-o | well, it wasn't really a code change, I just changed one of the examples | 15:10 |
| zns | I.e. should we expect them to get merged upstream or should we vendor that into the satori repo (can we? licensing?) | 15:10 |
| n1ck-o | so unsure if they will merge if we ask | 15:10 |
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| n1ck-o | I think once we move the psexec.py stuff into satori there is no need to use my clone of impacket anymore | 15:11 |
| samstav | ... I think I missed something. If it was just a change to the example, why do we have to depend on the fork? | 15:11 |
| n1ck-o | well, the example is part of impacket | 15:11 |
| n1ck-o | and that's how it was imported in psexec.py | 15:11 |
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| samstav | ah, I see. | 15:12 |
| n1ck-o | https://github.com/samstav/satori/blob/bp/windows-support/satori/contrib/psexec.py#L34 see here | 15:12 |
| n1ck-o | I don't like it either | 15:12 |
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| n1ck-o | and if you guys think it's cleaner to not import from impacket.examples I'm happy to rewrite that serviceinstall module | 15:13 |
| zns_ | Sorry - got disconnected. Did you get: Oh - so satori would work with upstream impacket? | 15:13 |
| n1ck-o | which we will end up doing anyway I suppose | 15:13 |
| n1ck-o | no, i didn't get that | 15:13 |
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| n1ck-o | but yes, once we move the stuff from psexec.py into satori, satori would work with upstream impacket again | 15:14 |
| zns_ | If we package satori with git dependencies, then it won't install without git. That's currently not a dependency. | 15:15 |
| zns_ | Sounds like we should do that. | 15:15 |
| zns_ | Before curting a pypi release. | 15:15 |
| zns_ | cutting | 15:15 |
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| samstav | Hey n1ck-o, sorry, can you remind me what you mean by "move the stuff from psexec.py into satori" ? | 15:16 |
| n1ck-o | well, not call psexec.py via subprocess anymore | 15:17 |
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| samstav | Ok, I remember that. How does that change whether we will need the fork or not? | 15:18 |
| zns_ | n1ck-o: is the needed to remove the dependency on your fork of impacket or is that a separate change/optimization? | 15:18 |
| n1ck-o | this can be separate really | 15:18 |
| n1ck-o | if we just don't use impacket.examples.serviceinstall | 15:18 |
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| n1ck-o | but rewrite this to be a class inside satori | 15:19 |
| zns_ | You would bring that code into satori only. | 15:19 |
| n1ck-o | or module | 15:19 |
| n1ck-o | yes | 15:19 |
| samstav | ok, cool. | 15:19 |
| zns_ | Cool. Should that be part of the current review? | 15:19 |
| zns_ | or patch... | 15:19 |
| n1ck-o | no, I would make that a new one to be honest | 15:19 |
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| zns_ | OK. So we cut a release until that comes in. Is it OK to give you an action item on that? | 15:20 |
| zns_ | "don't" cut a release, I meant | 15:21 |
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| n1ck-o | sure, that was the next thing I was going to work on anyway | 15:21 |
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| zns_ | #action n1ck-o rewrite serviceinstall into satori and remove dependency on git. | 15:22 |
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| samstav | we need a name for those | 15:23 |
| samstav | gitpendencies | 15:23 |
| zns_ | :) | 15:23 |
| zns_ | Any other topics to discuss? | 15:24 |
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| zns_ | Going once... | 15:25 |
| zns_ | Are we done for today? | 15:25 |
| samstav | I think so | 15:25 |
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| n1ck-o | nothing else from me | 15:26 |
| zns_ | Cool. Just for expectation setting, I think once we get the Windows support in we'll need to talk about roadmap and what we want/need to do next. | 15:26 |
| zns_ | Thank you, all | 15:26 |
| zns_ | #endmeeting | 15:26 |
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| catherine_d | hello, Is there refstack meeting going on now? | 17:04 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 17:06 |
| openstack | davidlenwell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:06 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 17:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 28 17:07:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-07-28-15.00.html | 17:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-07-28-15.00.txt | 17:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-07-28-15.00.log.html | 17:07 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 17:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 28 17:07:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:07 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 17:08 |
| davidlenwell | roll call? | 17:08 |
| catherine_d | o/ | 17:08 |
| fcarpenter | o/ | 17:08 |
| juliashapovalova | hello | 17:10 |
| davidlenwell | agenda: refstack-client status, api status, general ui and feature discussion, summit talks. | 17:10 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic refstack-client status | 17:12 |
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| davidlenwell | I've just finished reviewing the latest patch.. turned my -1 to +1 .. I'd like some other eyes on the review before merging it. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108218/ | 17:13 |
| davidlenwell | catherine_d: Do you want to give us any more information than that? | 17:13 |
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| catherine_d | Once we merge this code .. People can start testing with refstack-client ... | 17:14 |
| davidlenwell | catherine_d: well after the api is hosted | 17:14 |
| catherine_d | The next step is to process the data and send only passing data back to refstack ... | 17:14 |
| catherine_d | I encourage the refstack team to start testing with this code .. . Perhaps Alex/Rocky can start to use it? ... | 17:16 |
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| juliashapovalova | >>(20:14:44) catherine_d: The next step is to process the data and send only passing data back to refstack ... sergey s did such a feature some a week ago? probably the same code could be used | 17:16 |
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| davidlenwell | juliashapovalova: there is an open review for this .. | 17:17 |
| davidlenwell | well its -2'd .. the same code could be used. yet | 17:17 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 17:17 |
| catherine_d | Sergey's code is merging the sunit format results ... | 17:17 |
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| davidlenwell | true .. the decided format is in the spec is simply an array | 17:18 |
| rockyg | alex has been fighting with RDO | 17:18 |
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| juliashapovalova | is it changed? | 17:18 |
| catherine_d | wha we need is to pass a JSON as defined by the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105901/ | 17:18 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 17:18 |
| fcarpenter | ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108218/ has an additional +1 now ) | 17:19 |
| catherine_d | We are not sending back results with subunit data format as we did earler | 17:19 |
| davidlenwell | https://github.com/stackforge/refstack/blob/master/specs/approved/api-v1.md | 17:19 |
| juliashapovalova | oh, ok | 17:19 |
| juliashapovalova | is the appropriate story& | 17:19 |
| juliashapovalova | ? | 17:19 |
| davidlenwell | juliashapovalova: that link clearly shows the format for submitting results | 17:20 |
| juliashapovalova | thanks | 17:20 |
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| davidlenwell | thanks fcarpenter | 17:20 |
| davidlenwell | lets move on to the next topic... because the client can't complete its mission until the new api is hosted. | 17:20 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic api status | 17:21 |
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| davidlenwell | I've been dragging my feet a little bit on this. But I am going to attempt to have a review in at the end of my day for the api code.. Then tomorrow I will focus my energy on getting the api hosted. sadly we can't just jump right into infra hosting us.. they don't move that fast.. but I will get that ball rolling tomorrow as well. | 17:22 |
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| catherine_d | For testing, could we stand up a local refstack and use the API to post data in local refstack? | 17:24 |
| davidlenwell | after I get todays review in.. | 17:24 |
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| davidlenwell | you could check out my review and stand up an api server | 17:24 |
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| catherine_d | great | 17:25 |
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| davidlenwell | right now I have most of the code written but need to debug a little and get an api server start script working. | 17:25 |
| davidlenwell | okay any other questions about the api? | 17:25 |
| davidlenwell | moving right along.. | 17:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I have a small board update about it | 17:26 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: about the api? | 17:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | sort of | 17:26 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. lets hear it | 17:26 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we talked about the "pass only" decision from ATL | 17:26 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | and hiow it made it easier to companies to post results w/o negative results | 17:27 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | and they agreed that it would be OK if companies want to claim their results as long as it was OPTIONAL | 17:27 |
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| davidlenwell | you mean publicly claim them ? | 17:27 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so that supports the direction that we've been going | 17:27 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | the thinking right now is that they would post them on the marketplace | 17:28 |
| zehicle_at_dell | not through refstack | 17:28 |
| zehicle_at_dell | they would upload to refstack | 17:28 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but we don't have to have an attenstation process (company Foo stamps results Bar as valid) | 17:28 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: that brings me actually cleanly into the next topic. | 17:28 |
| zehicle_at_dell | cool | 17:28 |
| davidlenwell | if we're done with triggering tests and collecting the results.. its time to start getting deep into what we are doing with the data. | 17:29 |
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| davidlenwell | a. we need an attenstation process for vendors. | 17:29 |
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| davidlenwell | or is what you are saying devoid that need and place it on the market place? | 17:30 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yes | 17:31 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | for this cycle, we could skip it | 17:31 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and allow vendors to self post in the marketplace | 17:31 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | would not be "official" like we want to eventially drive | 17:31 |
| zehicle_at_dell | but it would be easy enough to verify so there's little risk of fabrication | 17:32 |
| davidlenwell | okay.. well I'd like to increase our value to the general community | 17:32 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I think that if they are using our results and re-posting then that's a big win | 17:32 |
| zehicle_at_dell | right now, they just say "YES, we comply" so it would be an improvement | 17:32 |
| davidlenwell | we have stuff for defcore.. we have stuff for vendors to say they are compliant.. | 17:33 |
| davidlenwell | I want to use the varified results data to build an interop map | 17:33 |
| davidlenwell | verified | 17:33 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 17:33 |
| davidlenwell | I think we have the man power to pull it off right now | 17:34 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we'er still working off the original stories that we drafted last year | 17:34 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | it would help to have a populated schema | 17:34 |
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| davidlenwell | agreed | 17:34 |
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| juliashapovalova | and wiki page should reflect the latest reqs change as well i beleive | 17:35 |
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| davidlenwell | juliashapovalova: that and the home page of refstack.org which will probably soon be something like interop.openstack.org or something. | 17:35 |
| catherine_d | so when they post their results to the market place .... How is the check to core test list done? | 17:36 |
| davidlenwell | catherine_d: I think they will link to a score card that we host | 17:36 |
| rockyg | I just need the final decision to update the wiki pages | 17:36 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: decision about what? | 17:36 |
| rockyg | names, etc. | 17:37 |
| rockyg | like interop.openstack.org. | 17:37 |
| davidlenwell | that decision is a ways off | 17:37 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | rockyg, +1 | 17:37 |
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| rockyg | And pointers to ref changes | 17:37 |
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| rockyg | ^ref^req | 17:38 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: I think what juliashapovalova was reffering to is an update in message on the wiki about what the heck we are doing and how folks can use it. | 17:38 |
| davidlenwell | a lot has changed. | 17:38 |
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| davidlenwell | we simplified our mission.. and we should update our public facing text to reflect that | 17:39 |
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| juliashapovalova | yes? a lot of stuff is moved out of scope | 17:39 |
| juliashapovalova | *, | 17:39 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: perhaps you and I should have a sit down about that and we can write up new content. | 17:39 |
| catherine_d | should we have a face-2-face? | 17:40 |
| rockyg | Cool. | 17:40 |
| davidlenwell | catherine_d: one that is not engineering .. but documentation / message / content driven | 17:40 |
| catherine_d | a face-2-face meeting sometime next week? | 17:40 |
| rockyg | Mybe RWC? | 17:40 |
| rockyg | or SC | 17:40 |
| davidlenwell | I'm open to that.. and I'd even travel to the south bay for it | 17:40 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | We'd talked about having one the 14th | 17:41 |
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| davidlenwell | thats a ways off .. we can do an engineering one on the 14th | 17:41 |
| davidlenwell | but what I would like to do is just spend time working on website/wiki copy | 17:41 |
| davidlenwell | which wouldn't require all parties | 17:41 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I may be in SJC on 8/8 | 17:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | can't commit yet | 17:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | will be in SFO on 8/14 | 17:42 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: let me know asap .. otherwise we can skype you in to this | 17:42 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I have tx to be there 8.8 | 17:42 |
| zehicle_at_dell | the issue if if I'm available - I'm booking meetings | 17:43 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | the 14th is already blocked for DefCore / Refstack | 17:43 |
| davidlenwell | we'll keep that blocked for an engineering meetup | 17:43 |
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| davidlenwell | I want you joshua and I to work out graphing for defcore | 17:43 |
| davidlenwell | we should be collecting data by then | 17:44 |
| catherine_d | yes agree .. | 17:44 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ok | 17:44 |
| davidlenwell | so 8/8 rockyg .. can you commit to a f2f in the south bay near a cal train station? | 17:44 |
| davidlenwell | documentation / wiki / website copy meeting | 17:44 |
| rockyg | Yup. | 17:44 |
| davidlenwell | hopfully we can get aligned with zehicle_at_dell.. we'll finalize the details next meeting. | 17:45 |
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| rockyg | Lots of choices. RWC, Mtn Vw, Sunnyvale | 17:45 |
| davidlenwell | I'll plan on spending the bulk of the day in the south bay | 17:45 |
| rockyg | Cool. | 17:46 |
| davidlenwell | okay moving on because we are running short on time. | 17:46 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic Summit talks | 17:46 |
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| davidlenwell | catherine_d: I heard a rumor you might want to give a talk? | 17:46 |
| davidlenwell | the deadline to submit is this week. | 17:47 |
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| rockyg | Today for the genreal conf. | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | yes.. not design sessions | 17:47 |
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| rockyg | I assume midnight UTC | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | I am definatly planning a design session or two | 17:47 |
| catherine_d | I think we can give a talk about our experience in using Tempest to test non-devstack env? | 17:47 |
| davidlenwell | catherine_d: you should submit that | 17:47 |
| zehicle_at_dell | deadline is today | 17:48 |
| rockyg | Sounds good. Just need an abstract and a short bio | 17:48 |
| catherine_d | which name should I put in along? David, Rocky, Rob? | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | I'm happy to colaborate if you like | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | but I didn't want to step on your toes | 17:48 |
| davidlenwell | I'm planning two design sessions | 17:48 |
| catherine_d | no .. we are the refstack team | 17:49 |
| catherine_d | I think it is a good lessons learned session ,,, | 17:49 |
| zehicle_at_dell | catherine_d, we've got plenty of session - go ahead and run that one yourself | 17:49 |
| catherine_d | ok | 17:49 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I could recommend a Dell person if you want | 17:49 |
| catherine_d | sure | 17:49 |
| rockyg | catherine_d, I could do it, but i submitted two for new contribs..so go for it. we'll be there to back you up | 17:49 |
| zehicle_at_dell | David Paterson (I think you've been copied on emails w/ him) | 17:49 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | he's got a lot of experience about this (just not directly w/ Refstack) | 17:50 |
| catherine_d | ok Do I need to contact him? Or you will let him know? | 17:50 |
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| davidlenwell | catherine_d: yes .. like I said .. we all have your back if you want other people on stage.. but I think you should be the focus. | 17:50 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | catherine_d, I'll reach out and do a re-intro | 17:51 |
| catherine_d | yes I am the focus... but I would like the talk to not an IBM talk ... it is a refstack talk .. | 17:51 |
| davidlenwell | sounds good to me :) | 17:51 |
| davidlenwell | we need a platform to tell the masses.. USE REFSTACK | 17:51 |
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| catherine_d | yes .. this is a community effort | 17:51 |
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| davidlenwell | so the more places at the summit that is talked about .. the more results we'll get in our database | 17:52 |
| davidlenwell | catherine_d: can you get the submission in today? | 17:52 |
| rockyg | maybe we could support catherine_d by supplying some data? | 17:52 |
| catherine_d | yes I will | 17:52 |
| davidlenwell | you have like 6 hours | 17:52 |
| catherine_d | :-) | 17:52 |
| davidlenwell | 6 hours and 7 minutes | 17:52 |
| davidlenwell | awesome!! | 17:53 |
| davidlenwell | anything anyone else needs to talk about? | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | board meeting & tests json file | 17:53 |
| catherine_d | zehicle_at_dell: will we have a list of core tests for branchless Tempest soon? | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 17:53 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I've nearly got the complete json ready | 17:54 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I've got all the capabilities in a json | 17:54 |
| catherine_d | I check RDO against Havana cores.. rght now it is about 60% pass | 17:54 |
| zehicle_at_dell | need to load in the tests next | 17:54 |
| catherine_d | need to see how the new core list is .. | 17:54 |
| zehicle_at_dell | davidlenwell, can you update the topics? | 17:54 |
| catherine_d | lots of test are no longer there .. Let me give a new test list | 17:55 |
| davidlenwell | #topic tests json | 17:55 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:DefCore_Capabilities_Scoring.pdf | 17:55 |
| zehicle_at_dell | last week, the board approved the Havana capabilities | 17:55 |
| davidlenwell | yay | 17:55 |
| zehicle_at_dell | (designated sections is pending until September) | 17:55 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | there was some last minute movement on the capabilities as we got scores from the TC and I zero'd out the other 0.5s | 17:56 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | but basically, no real movement. some of the capabilities are closer to the "line" than before | 17:56 |
| davidlenwell | :) | 17:56 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I've been working to turn that into a unifited JSON file that matches the DefCore meeting schema | 17:56 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I'm nearly done with it and will have a patch soon | 17:57 |
| davidlenwell | So you'll have that submitted for review some time this week? | 17:57 |
| * zehicle_at_dell knows I've been saying that for a while | 17:57 | |
| zehicle_at_dell | yes | 17:57 |
| zehicle_at_dell | before Wedensday | 17:57 |
| davidlenwell | +1 | 17:57 |
| catherine_d | +1 | 17:57 |
| davidlenwell | with fully qualified test names correct? | 17:58 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | yes | 17:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | had a question about that | 17:58 |
| zehicle_at_dell | the current schema did not account for paths | 17:58 |
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| davidlenwell | json scmema or are you talking about the storage db? | 17:59 |
| zehicle_at_dell | so I've got some names where the path is includes area.parent/child.file.test | 17:59 |
| zehicle_at_dell | json schema | 17:59 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: can we offline this in #refstack? | 17:59 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yy | 17:59 |
| davidlenwell | we're just about out of time | 17:59 |
| zehicle_at_dell | need a small break first | 17:59 |
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| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_dell: that works.. I am communiting to the office after this | 17:59 |
| catherine_d | we need to .. I can work with zehicle_at_dell to get the fully qualified name .. | 17:59 |
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| davidlenwell | awesome!! | 18:00 |
| davidlenwell | okay folks.. until next time | 18:00 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 28 18:00:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-07-28-17.07.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-07-28-17.07.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-07-28-17.07.log.html | 18:00 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 28 20:00:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | The agenda for todays meeting is available at: | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| chellygel | \o/ | 20:01 |
| jvrbanac | _o/ | 20:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
| tsv | o/ | 20:01 |
| hockeynu_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| atiwari | o/ | 20:01 |
| bubbva | o/ | 20:01 |
| woodster__ | o/ | 20:01 |
| kaitlin-farr | o/ | 20:01 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | woohoo! lots of barbicaneers here today | 20:02 |
| jaosorior | ~o/ | 20:02 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | alrighty then, let's get started | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #topic CR: Add more types to Containers Order | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87405/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | atiwari did you want to talk about this? | 20:03 |
| atiwari | yes, it is waiting for review, just wanted to raise that | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | atiwari ok | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | +995 lines. Should be a fun review :) | 20:05 |
| atiwari | there are more depended on this one. | 20:05 |
| atiwari | yes | 20:05 |
| atiwari | :) | 20:05 |
| hockeynu_ | is there a bp or spec? | 20:05 |
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| atiwari | hockeynu_, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98174/ | 20:06 |
| hockeynu_ | awesome - thx! | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | and it looks like the BP just needs a +1 to Workflow. Hopefully we can get the BP merged today. | 20:06 |
| atiwari | redrobot, there are more depending on this, so if we can make some progress on this, that will be awesome | 20:07 |
| atiwari | redrobot, ok | 20:07 |
| redrobot | everyone please try to get some eyes on both of those CRs so we can unblock atiwari and friends. | 20:08 |
| atiwari | redrobot, this impl has backward compatibility on Orders resource. I will clean those duplicates in later CR | 20:08 |
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| atiwari | just for fyi.. | 20:08 |
| redrobot | atiwari ok, sounds good. I'll try to get to the review today. Didn't get to do much reviewing over the weekend. | 20:09 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on to the next topic | 20:09 |
| atiwari | np | 20:09 |
| redrobot | #topic Kilo Conference Presentation Proposals | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | Kilo = Paris? | 20:10 |
| rellerreller | Ya, I thought that was the next name | 20:10 |
| redrobot | was this woodster__ or alee that added this? | 20:10 |
| rellerreller | I added this | 20:10 |
| woodster__ | Kilo = Japan | 20:10 |
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| rellerreller | Icehouse was HK, Juno was Atlanta I thought??? | 20:11 |
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| hockeynu_ | ^ +1 ^ | 20:11 |
| redrobot | I think rellerreller is right. | 20:11 |
| hockeynu_ | + oo | 20:11 |
| alee | woodster__, the next one after Paris is in Japan? | 20:11 |
| rellerreller | Anyways, I was wondering who all submitted proposals to the next conference. I was going to keep an eye out for them in case we get to vote again this time | 20:11 |
| redrobot | alee rumor has it that the next one will be Tokyo... not official yet | 20:11 |
| redrobot | rellerreller yes, actually, we've submitted a few | 20:11 |
| rm_work | redrobot: did you actually do an abstract for the one we talked about on Friday? :P | 20:12 |
| rellerreller | We have submitted two: "Secure Key Management via Barbican's Plugin Architecture" and "Securing Data at Rest" | 20:12 |
| redrobot | woodster__ submitted (or is about to submit) a proposal for a talk about the new Plugin Architecture | 20:12 |
| chellygel | rellerreller, i submitted a hands-on barbican workshop with woodster__, hockeynu_ , and jvrbanac | 20:12 |
| rellerreller | +1 | 20:13 |
| redrobot | sounds like rellerreller and woodster__ are on the same page :) ... woodster__ were you going to ask rellerreller and alee about that submission? | 20:13 |
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| rellerreller | Ya, I think our submissions are similar, if not the same | 20:13 |
| woodster__ | I sent an email to them a bit a ago about it...seeing if they'd like to co-present due to their strong hand in the design of it all | 20:13 |
| rellerreller | We can work together to get one in there. They should not be competing against each other. | 20:14 |
| redrobot | rm_work nope... though I may submit one to talk about how to use the Client. | 20:14 |
| alee | woodster__, must have missed that email -- maybe I was in transit - but sure :) | 20:14 |
| rm_work | redrobot: hmm k, I'll try to get my bit sqeezed in on the neutron track | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | rm_work you didn't seem too enthused about it so I canned the idea. :-P | 20:14 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:15 |
| redrobot | +1 to unifying rellerreller and woodster__ talks | 20:15 |
| rm_work | I am enthused about it, but it's only like 10 minutes so I just needed a tiny bite of someone else's block :P | 20:15 |
| redrobot | I know jraim is submitting a few as well | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | Crypto, Python 3 and PyPy - A Path Forward for OpenStackCryptography and | 20:16 |
| redrobot | the oslo.crypto Takeover | 20:16 |
| redrobot | 2) Key Wrapping in Barbican - A Path to Federation | 20:17 |
| redrobot | 3) Transparent Encryption Using Barbican | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | 4) Cryptography in OpenStack: Uses and Opportunities | 20:17 |
| redrobot | 5) Cryptographic Performance in Python | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | 4) +1 | 20:17 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, I was thinking of submitting a presentation session on master key encryption management. | 20:18 |
| atiwari | thoughts ? | 20:18 |
| atiwari | master key encryption key | 20:19 |
| redrobot | atiwari sounds interesting... would this cover HP's implementation of a Crypto plugin? | 20:19 |
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| atiwari | I am thinking for generic plugin approach to manage MKEK | 20:19 |
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| atiwari | Crypto plugin can choose a MKEK plugin if required | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | atiwari I see... that maybe an interesting talk. I'd go see it. :) | 20:21 |
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| atiwari | ok, I will submit it today | 20:21 |
| hockeynu_ | I would go as long as I had a barbican shirt/hat/beard | 20:22 |
| redrobot | I'm trying to dig up a list of the other things we submitted | 20:22 |
| redrobot | I know jvrbanac is talking about Stockade | 20:23 |
| jvrbanac | :D | 20:23 |
| redrobot | it's a Django-based password-sharing app that uses Barbican as a back end | 20:23 |
| hockeynu_ | and its awesome... | 20:23 |
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| redrobot | possibly doing a Barbican: where we're at and where we're going talk... I'll have to check with jraim about that one | 20:24 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller sound like enough talks? :) | 20:25 |
| rellerreller | Sounds awesome! | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | I hope we get several accepted. | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | we do too! Rackspace is sending anyone who gets a talk approved, so we're definitely wanting to see you guys in Paris. | 20:28 |
| bubbva | redrobot: those all sound interesting. wish I could be there! | 20:28 |
| redrobot | ok, that's all I have on the agenda for today | 20:29 |
| redrobot | is there anything else we want to talk about while we're all here? | 20:30 |
| kaitlin-farr | I have a question | 20:30 |
| redrobot | kaitlin-farr go ahead | 20:30 |
| kaitlin-farr | jvrbanac hockeynu_ and I were just discussing an issue that popped up with a patch I submitted today: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101582/ | 20:30 |
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| kaitlin-farr | I added arg checks to the classes in secret_store | 20:31 |
| kaitlin-farr | so I wanted to see if other people had opinions | 20:31 |
| kaitlin-farr | because the arg checks sort of break some of the existing tests | 20:31 |
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| kaitlin-farr | the stack trace was here: http://logs.openstack.org/82/101582/3/check/gate-barbican-devstack-dsvm/db90e79/logs/screen-barbican.txt.gz | 20:32 |
| redrobot | #topic Broken devstack tests due to arg checking | 20:32 |
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| kaitlin-farr | so I guess there's two issues: | 20:32 |
| kaitlin-farr | 1 - the server returned 500 code (jvrbanac and hockeynu_, was that unexpected behavior?) | 20:33 |
| hockeynu_ | yes - should never get 500 | 20:33 |
| woodster__ | I think the issue is that secret store needs to be able to accommodate different secrets flows...one step secret stores, two step secret stores (neither of which require any meta data to be provided), and secret generates (which require most or all to be provided) | 20:33 |
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| kaitlin-farr | and 2 - should we keep arg checks and change the existing tests to not break or remove arg checks? | 20:34 |
| woodster__ | You'll get a 500 if (say) a ValueError is raised...that gets treated as a 500 | 20:34 |
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| woodster__ | The validators module is where we've been putting validation logic. | 20:34 |
| hockeynu_ | but controller should catch that and turn it into something reasonable (4xx) right? | 20:34 |
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| woodster__ | raising a ValueError is a programmer logic problem...that should return a 500...essentially forcing the botched logic to be fixed | 20:35 |
| woodster__ | it is not a client data input error for example | 20:35 |
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| woodster__ | validation should determine if, based on the flow involved if field-a is optional or required for example | 20:36 |
| hockeynu_ | yes, that is true | 20:36 |
| kaitlin-farr | rellerreller do you have thoughts on the arg checks? | 20:37 |
| alee | woodster__, I think though that there are some cases where ValueError is being raised for client errors .. and those need to be fixed to throw the correct exceptions. | 20:38 |
| woodster__ | so we have talked about adding a validate() method onto the secret store plugin at some point. So the supports() method would just say if that plugin could even consider the input data or not, and the validate() would do a 'deep dive' on that data to validate it. | 20:38 |
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| woodster__ | alee: I'd agree with that | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | kaitlin-farr I'm not sure at the moment. This sounds different than what the issue was this morning. | 20:38 |
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| rellerreller | I need to look at the error log | 20:39 |
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| kaitlin-farr | woodster__ the validation would occur at the time of the post request? | 20:40 |
| woodster__ | kaitlin-farr: yes | 20:40 |
| alee | kaitlin-farr, just so I understand - why were the arg tests failing? was it because of invalid client data? | 20:41 |
| woodster__ | ...so synchronously, not waiting until the workers pick up the task | 20:41 |
| kaitlin-farr | alee, the arg checks were checking if the input was valid, i.e. was defined in the list of valid constants and making sure the input wasn't none | 20:43 |
| hockeynu_ | alee its failing in the devstack gate - tempest test doing a simple create secret. The POST goes thru and eventually plugin gets called for store_secret and fails because None is passed in for the type parameter in SecretDTO c'tor and that fails the new test - thus raisingthe value error | 20:43 |
| woodster__ | yep, on secret POSTs/stores, those fields are optional | 20:44 |
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| woodster__ | just optional meta data about a secret that the client could choose to provide if they wish | 20:44 |
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| woodster__ | Soooo....should we consider adding a validate method to the plugin contract for Juno, or defer until Kilo? | 20:45 |
| rellerreller | If it's optional then which component determines the value for it? Should it be Barbican core or SecretStore? | 20:45 |
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| alee | hockeynu_, kaitlin-farr - and the type is populated from the original request? if that data is optional, then it sounds like we need to add some defaults | 20:46 |
| alee | hockeynu_, kaitlin-farr - what you've uncovered is a bug. | 20:46 |
| redrobot | alee I don't think defaults make sense in this case... some of that metadata is "sometimes-required" | 20:46 |
| rellerreller | I propose Barbican core provide default value. That way it is consistent across plugins. | 20:46 |
| hockeynu_ | its hardcoded None | 20:47 |
| alee | either that or if there is no default, then the check must be changed | 20:47 |
| hockeynu_ | https://github.com/openstack/barbican/blob/master/barbican/plugin/resources.py line 60 | 20:47 |
| redrobot | ie, if I'm storing a password and POST it to /secrets, then I don't want that to default to "algortim": "AES" for example. | 20:47 |
| hockeynu_ | yep - that would bad...mmmkay | 20:48 |
| woodster__ | a client can store any data they wish as a secret...and don't have to tell Barbican what type it is either...so it's their little 'secret' (pun alert, sorry) | 20:49 |
| alee | kaitlin-farr, hockeynu_ sounds to me like we need to rethink whether the arg checks are valid, given the many types of secrets that can be stored. and only check those args that are really required. | 20:50 |
| redrobot | alee +1 | 20:50 |
| kaitlin-farr | Ok, that makes sense | 20:50 |
| hockeynu_ | yes - find the places and add a "validate_me" flag (default false)...set to true when we want validation... | 20:50 |
| hockeynu_ | like SecretDTO c'tor for example | 20:50 |
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| rellerreller | If error is on line 60 then does not seem like arg error | 20:51 |
| rellerreller | It looks like Barbican core is always setting None for secret type. It needs to determine which type to set for it. | 20:51 |
| hockeynu_ | line 60 passes None as parm 1...then in the c'tor it checks the value of parm 1 (type) and throws ValueError since its None | 20:52 |
| rellerreller | According to https://github.com/openstack/barbican/blob/master/barbican/plugin/resources.py line 60 | 20:52 |
| rellerreller | Now I see | 20:53 |
| woodster__ | well, the algorithm in line 60 is not required, as that info is saved (if provided) on the Secret entity in line 30. | 20:53 |
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| woodster__ | now, if a plugin were to require a field to be set, that is where the plugin.validate() method could be useful. So the validate() method would be called as part of the up-front validation processing. | 20:54 |
| rellerreller | If you are going to store a secret then that information needs to be provided to the secretstore | 20:54 |
| hockeynu_ | yep! | 20:54 |
| woodster__ | So for secret store and the DTO, algorithm should probably be ignored for storage operations. It is only needed for generate operations. | 20:54 |
| woodster__ | rellerreller: why is this info needed to *store* a secret? | 20:55 |
| redrobot | we're running dangerously close to the end of the meeting... this is a good discussion though... do we want to continue on #openstack-barbican? | 20:55 |
| hockeynu_ | works 4 me | 20:55 |
| rellerreller | The backend SecretStore may need this information. KMIP will need it. | 20:55 |
| redrobot | rellerreller I think the metadata is only required to *generate* a secret | 20:55 |
| rellerreller | I definitely need it for storage. | 20:56 |
| redrobot | rellerreller I see... hmm... | 20:56 |
| rellerreller | I need the crypto alg and crypto length | 20:56 |
| alee | rellerreller, what happens if whats being stored is not a symmetric key? | 20:56 |
| redrobot | I was about to say, does the K in KMIP imply that it's always a key? | 20:57 |
| rellerreller | alee, what do you mean? | 20:57 |
| woodster__ | rellerreller: if KMIP can only store specific types of secrets, then we really will need a validate() approach | 20:57 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller in Barbican, a Key is a Secret, but a Secret is not necessarily a Key | 20:57 |
| woodster__ | rellerreller: So I can't just store a db password in KMIP then? | 20:57 |
| rellerreller | KMIP can store any type of secret it just needs certain parameters. For keys it requires knowing the alg and length | 20:58 |
| alee | rellerreller, we're talking about the store_secret() method, right? So, someone could choose to store a password for example. | 20:58 |
| redrobot | we have 2 minutes until we get kicked out of this room | 20:58 |
| rellerreller | You can store a blob as a secret or a password | 20:58 |
| woodster__ | rellerreller: so what algo would I used to store a db password in KMIP? | 20:58 |
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| redrobot | let's continue this conversation on #openstack-barbican? ^_^ | 20:58 |
| woodster__ | will do... | 20:58 |
| rellerreller | ok | 20:58 |
| * jvrbanac moving to #openstack-barbican | 20:58 | |
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| redrobot | thanks guys! Good meeting! First time we have to keep talking past the cutoff | 20:59 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 28 20:59:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-07-28-20.00.html | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-07-28-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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