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| sgordon | \o/ | 13:59 |
| russellb | o/ | 14:00 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nfv | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 30 14:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| russellb | hello, everyone! | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nfv' | 14:00 |
| ian_ott | hi | 14:00 |
| yamahata | hi | 14:00 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:00 |
| pczesno | hi | 14:00 |
| russellb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| russellb | #chair sgordon | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: russellb sgordon | 14:00 |
| yyywu | hi | 14:00 |
| davidmck | hello | 14:00 |
| russellb | #topic review actions from last week | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
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| russellb | sgordon: since you ran the meeting last week, would you like to cover these? | 14:01 |
| sgordon | bauzas, quick update on the dashboard situation plz - we have a lot of other stuff to get to :) | 14:01 |
| bauzas | sgordon: | 14:01 |
| bauzas | sgordon: sure | 14:01 |
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| bauzas | sgordon: so, working on providing an HTML file with custom dashboard, about to finish today | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | k, cool - please update via the list when ready | 14:02 |
| bauzas | sgordon: currently running tests, alpha version to be provided without CSS | 14:02 |
| bauzas | sgordon: sure, willdo | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | #action bauzas to update list with link to new dash | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | sean mooney was going to refresh the dpdk enablement specs which i believe he did | 14:02 |
| sgordon | speak of the devil | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95805/2 | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107797/1 | 14:03 |
| sgordon | i did not see any further indication of yay/nay on the requests for spec exceptions though... | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040660.html | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040877.html | 14:03 |
| russellb | getting exceptions at this point is pretty tough | 14:03 |
| russellb | the projects have already been overwhelmed with how much was already approved | 14:03 |
| russellb | i think it's probably unlikely ... | 14:03 |
| sgordon | right | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | the other action was that yamahata was going to follow up with rkukura to see if he could look at ml2-ovs-portsecurity spec | 14:04 |
| adrian-hoban | russellb: Is there an exception process end date? | 14:04 |
| sgordon | i think maru was looking at it too but he is at the nova midcycle atm | 14:04 |
| sean-k-mooney | hi sorry for being late. am form the last nova meeting they mentioned that an excetion would only be considered if there are two core supporting the spec | 14:04 |
| russellb | adrian-hoban: for nova, i believe the end was supposed to be last week | 14:04 |
| russellb | not sure about neutron | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | not sure | 14:05 |
| sgordon | neutron had a spec approval deadline but exceptions were approved after that | 14:06 |
| sgordon | requirements are the same though | 14:06 |
| sgordon | two core | 14:06 |
| sgordon | sponsors | 14:06 |
| bauzas | russellb: that's unclear when the exception deadline is | 14:06 |
| pczesno | the DPDK vif spec has sponsors on neutron side | 14:06 |
| sgordon | i think we have failed to make our goals clear enough particularly on the neutron side to the wider community which is why we are struggling here | 14:06 |
| bauzas | russellb: for Nova I mean | 14:06 |
| bauzas | russellb: as some specs have been excepted end of last week | 14:07 |
| russellb | bauzas: right, but i thought the intended end of that was friday | 14:07 |
| bauzas | russellb: I guess it's this friday, but anyway, that's not impacting NFV IIUC | 14:07 |
| russellb | as much as i want this, i didn't sponsor because i can only realistically review so much ... | 14:07 |
| sgordon | right - i think there was potential for some further discussion at the midcycle | 14:07 |
| russellb | i'm already signed up to review too much | 14:07 |
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| sgordon | seguing over to the next topic here | 14:08 |
| sgordon | #topic blueprints | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NFV#Active_Blueprints | 14:09 |
| sgordon | i tried to update the table to reflect current state of all of these y/day | 14:10 |
| sgordon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-if-1-net | 14:10 |
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| sgordon | #info multiple-if-1-net approved, code up for review | 14:10 |
| sgordon | this had been languishing for a week or so with two minor pep8 issues | 14:10 |
| sgordon | i corrected those late yesterday and the check jobs now pass it | 14:10 |
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| sgordon | danpb, since you arrived...you had actually +2'd this code submission previously btw - would appreciate if you could take another look | 14:11 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98488/ | 14:11 |
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| sgordon | there are also a number of vlan related specs in the table covering related but slightly different use cases (we probably need to split them out) | 14:12 |
| sgordon | they are all unapproved still but i did get some feedback from sponsors for this one: | 14:12 |
| sgordon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/nfv-vlan-trunks | 14:12 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97714/ | 14:13 |
| sgordon | again though as we get further past the deadlines these become less likely... | 14:13 |
| sgordon | last comment from a core on the 24th | 14:14 |
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| russellb | seems nobody has much to say on these neutron bps :) | 14:14 |
| sgordon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-ovs-portsecurity | 14:15 |
| sgordon | is in a similar situation to the previous one | 14:15 |
| russellb | which is a problem we need to address ... need to get some neutron folks engaged more closely with this group | 14:15 |
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| sgordon | did get some feedback from cores late last week on an exception but have not heard anything further | 14:15 |
| sgordon | (per the spec have a +2 from kyle, maru was still looking at it) | 14:16 |
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| sgordon | but really the above brings me to the next topic in the etherpad.... | 14:16 |
| sgordon | #topic Team goals and structure | 14:16 |
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| sgordon | i have received a lot of feedback in the last week or so, particularly around the spec deadlines, that the wider development community still dont fully understand what NFV is and why they should care about it | 14:17 |
| sgordon | which is i would say a failing of this group (myself included) and something we need to work at | 14:17 |
| russellb | i've been scheming on a blog post discussing some of the things that have been approved/implemented | 14:18 |
| sgordon | as while we dont necessarily need core contributors in this group directly we need to be able to clearly illustrate what we are trying to achieve so that when they come to our specs they can see where we are coming from | 14:18 |
| russellb | to show some concrete examples of work being done | 14:18 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: With the telco strategies track identified for the next summit, I think some presentations to the wider community on NFV topics should start to address the issue. | 14:18 |
| sgordon | so here i think our use cases are with a few exceptions largely too high level and disconnected from the actual proposals | 14:19 |
| russellb | one tough thing with the summit is that with the design summit overlapping, most of the dev community misses most of the main summit | 14:19 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, certainly i think that helps my concern is much of the development community end up missing those as they are hunkered down in session | 14:19 |
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| sgordon | particularly for the nova and neutron peeps who have design sessions for almost the entirety of the allocated days | 14:19 |
| russellb | right | 14:19 |
| russellb | that's always been my problem | 14:19 |
| russellb | i can count the main sessions i've been to over several summits on one hand | 14:20 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: russellb: Agreed | 14:20 |
| russellb | and it's also the reason lots of devs don't even bother submitting talks ... | 14:20 |
| russellb | anyway, not this groups problem to solve | 14:20 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, but yes i think being able to more clearly illustrate a link between what *has* been achieved and use cases will help | 14:20 |
| yyywu | I think explain the user case is important, and also comparing with IaaS model because most people in nova and neutron are familiar with Iaas model well. | 14:20 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, but also more communication both via the M/L and nova/neutron meeting attendance | 14:20 |
| sgordon | i should probably say attendance *and* contribution :) | 14:21 |
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| adrian-hoban | sgordon: Also a fair point. | 14:21 |
| sgordon | i am guilty of falling down in this regard on the neutron side myself | 14:22 |
| cloudon | Do you think the devs are at least aware there is a thing called NFV, it's just that they don't particularly understand it/are interested in it? | 14:22 |
| sgordon | so not pointing fingers, just highlighting that it sounds like this is still an issue | 14:22 |
| sgordon | cloudon, tbh i think the impression is "NFV turned up and is a big thing but i still dont know why and it seems to be doing a lot of uncloudy things" | 14:22 |
| russellb | sgordon: yes, that. | 14:22 |
| sgordon | that is just based on some of the feedback i am getting | 14:23 |
| beagles | cloudon - I think there are general misconceptions about it | 14:23 |
| beagles | and the uncertainty leads to hesitation etc.. | 14:23 |
| cloudon | sgordon: uncloudy in what ways? too hardware-specific? | 14:23 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, typically specific proposals exposing too much of the detail to the end use | 14:23 |
| sgordon | cloudon, it's a tough balance to strike because to a degree that is what NFV applications want in many cases | 14:23 |
| danpb | sgordon: some things to bear in mind are that this is the first cycle we've done the spec process | 14:24 |
| sgordon | danpb, true enough | 14:24 |
| danpb | sgordon: one thing I think we did wrong is that we didn't even start reviewing specs until Juno1 was already open | 14:24 |
| sgordon | danpb, and i think it has been overwhelmingly positive | 14:24 |
| sgordon | fwiw | 14:24 |
| danpb | so we basically lost an entire dev stage for doing work | 14:24 |
| sgordon | danpb, right that goes to something i mentioned on the m/l last week | 14:24 |
| bauzas | some feedback came yesterday in the Nova mid-cycle sprint about how to manage specs in the next cycle | 14:25 |
| danpb | we need to front-load review for Kilo-1 to be during Juno-3 | 14:25 |
| sgordon | danpb, even less approved in -1 and -2 this cycle than previous ones | 14:25 |
| sgordon | huge +1 on that | 14:25 |
| danpb | so people actually have a chance to do useful work in Kilo-1 | 14:25 |
| bauzas | long story short, there will be probably less specs to be on focus for Kilo | 14:25 |
| ian_ott | danpb: agreed | 14:25 |
| bauzas | but on the other hand, some work don't require a spec while it has been posted | 14:25 |
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| adrian-hoban | sgordon: Completely agree, and we need a considerable amount of time to deep dive on BPs at the Kilo design session | 14:26 |
| sgordon | #info Broader communication with wider development (nova, neutron, etc.) communities required to illustrate what NFV is and is not, current state and progress | 14:26 |
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| sgordon | #info Feedback from nova midcycle is that more needs to be done to front load the earlier release milestones late in the previous cycle | 14:26 |
| danpb | bauzas: that sounds mad, approving even fewer specs in Kilo would be making the bad situation even worse | 14:26 |
| sgordon | right | 14:27 |
| ian_ott | do we need a dev only session on NFV at next summit or some other venue/vehicle to help educate wider dev community on NFV? | 14:27 |
| bauzas | danpb: I'm just the messenger :) | 14:27 |
| sgordon | really it should be putting stuff that has been ironed out or is noncontroversial too the front of the queue | 14:27 |
| bauzas | danpb: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-mid-cycle-meetup | 14:27 |
| sgordon | plenty of good candidates abandoned last week that were well on their way | 14:27 |
| sgordon | ian_ott, we certainly would intend to do something | 14:27 |
| sgordon | ian_ott, design summit sessions not open for proposal yet | 14:27 |
| sgordon | ian_ott, ideally attempt to get a cross-project session | 14:28 |
| ian_ott | happy to help with that for sure | 14:28 |
| sgordon | ian_ott, that said needs specific goals | 14:28 |
| cloudon | +1 | 14:28 |
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| sgordon | as one was proposed last time and not actually accepted | 14:28 |
| sgordon | (think alank proposed it) | 14:28 |
| danpb | sgordon: the design summit sessions were not dealt with well last time | 14:28 |
| sgordon | for sure | 14:29 |
| danpb | sgordon: people proposed lots of sessions for very narrow topics which inevitably got cut | 14:29 |
| sgordon | yes there were several competing proposals for this | 14:29 |
| danpb | we need to be co-ordinated on proposing a broad session for outstanding NFV work | 14:29 |
| sgordon | none of which had a lot of detail about the goals of the session | 14:29 |
| danpb | so that people see the big picture importance | 14:29 |
| sgordon | i think for the most part they were cut in favor of specific sessions like sr-iov, libvirt roadmap, etc | 14:30 |
| sgordon | right | 14:30 |
| ian_ott | sgordon: danpb: agreed, maybe next week have an agenda item and come with topics we would include in a session | 14:30 |
| sgordon | #info Cross-project design session proposal for Kilo summit needs to be co-ordinated and have specific goals to be accepted | 14:30 |
| adrian-hoban | Should we have one thread in the design sessions where we work through all of the identified gaps, and if possible prefix that thread with an update from the ETSI-NFV community? | 14:30 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, i think at a higher level we just need to communicate what NFV actually looks like on OpenStack, current state, goals for future state | 14:31 |
| sgordon | not sure if ETSI-NFV update will necessarily help with the target audience | 14:31 |
| sgordon | though for sure is of interest to this group | 14:31 |
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| sgordon | #action Bring possible topics/goals for cross-project session to next week's meeting. | 14:33 |
| smazziotta | are dev aware of the nfv wiki ? | 14:33 |
| sgordon | smazziotta, painfully i think is the feedback | 14:33 |
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| sgordon | i think we perhaps should move the mission statement up above the who we are though to make that clearer | 14:34 |
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| smazziotta | because we 've spent some time to document. but if they are not aware of it... it is perhaps the issue and we might want to include more 101 material in the wiki | 14:34 |
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| sgordon | smazziotta, i think the pov of the average reviewer outside of this group is that the spec should outline what/why to enough detail that they dont need to seek that out | 14:36 |
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| sgordon | smazziotta, though certainly if we can do a better job of explaining on the wiki that helps too | 14:36 |
| sgordon | as i said earlier though i think the bigger issue is active engagement on our part (collectively) within the relevant projects | 14:37 |
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| sgordon | otherwise NFV is perceived as something being done too openstack rather than something being done organically within the projects | 14:37 |
| sgordon | if that makes sense | 14:37 |
| sgordon | again i am just going off the feedback i am getting at the moment | 14:38 |
| sgordon | i see ijw wandered in which brings me to the other topic i had on the list... | 14:39 |
| sgordon | #topic meeting times | 14:39 |
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| sgordon | i created a poll here: http://whenisgood.net/exzzbi8 | 14:39 |
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| sgordon | as i want to confirm whether or not we have outgrown our meeting slot | 14:39 |
| sgordon | most of the responses so far indicate for same time or earlier but i am going to keep it open till end of the week | 14:39 |
| sgordon | #link http://whenisgood.net/exzzbi8 | 14:40 |
| sgordon | #info please vote on future meeting times by EoW | 14:40 |
| sgordon | the alternative might be to have alternating meetings | 14:40 |
| sgordon | if it seems like there are two distinct groupings of availability | 14:40 |
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| ulikleber | Whenisgood doesn't say which time zone it is talking. | 14:40 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: Thanks, we need to make sure meeting times are not getting in the way of collaboration | 14:40 |
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| sgordon | ulikleber, i believe it let's you select at the top | 14:41 |
| sgordon | ulikleber, the default it will appear in is UTC+5 because that is where i am but you can switch it in your response (i highlighted this in the email) | 14:41 |
| adrian-hoban | ulikleber: sgordon: I could select the timezone at the top. | 14:42 |
| ulikleber | Ah, understand. Sorry. | 14:42 |
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| sgordon | np it is easy to get confused with these :) | 14:42 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, and yes i had some feedback from at least some people who would participate but cant so certainly something to evaluate | 14:42 |
| sgordon | since this time was just something we settled on as a trial after summit | 14:43 |
| sgordon | there is still lots of availability in the -3 meeting room so we have some flexibility | 14:43 |
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| sgordon | #topic open discussion | 14:44 |
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| sgordon | does anyone else have something to discuss? | 14:44 |
| sgordon | ijw, we rattled through the BPs earlier but might be worth revisiting if you are available | 14:44 |
| smazziotta | sorry on the topic of the poll. when is the deadline to decide for a change or not ? | 14:44 |
| sgordon | in particular did you hear anything else since we last spoke about exceptions for the vlan trunking or port security proposals | 14:45 |
| adrian-hoban | Also, can we discuss if there is a mechanism to help prioritise reviews of BPs that missed the Juno deadlines? | 14:45 |
| sgordon | smazziotta, i suspect we may end up meeting same time next week to confirm the change (if there is one) | 14:45 |
| smazziotta | ok | 14:46 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, ack | 14:46 |
| smazziotta | let's set a deadlin until next wed. ok? | 14:46 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, so sounds like that was a topic at the nova midcycle meetup | 14:46 |
| sgordon | smazziotta, sure | 14:46 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon confirm future meeting times at next week's meeting | 14:46 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, i guess for discussion on the M/L for those of us who werent there | 14:47 |
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| sgordon | danpb, has what you referred to earlier about trying to frontload Kilo been discussed on the M/L at all yet? | 14:47 |
| * sgordon may have missed it | 14:47 | |
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| danpb | sgordon: some nova cores discussed it on irc about a week ago | 14:49 |
| sgordon | tentatively definitely maybe then :) | 14:49 |
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| sgordon | fair enough | 14:49 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: danpb: Was something agreed or still needs to be discussed on M/L? | 14:50 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, sounds like it still need to be raised on the M/L | 14:51 |
| danpb | adrian-hoban: amongst those discussing it there was general agreement we need to front-load more review approval to allow useful dev work during Kilo-1 | 14:51 |
| danpb | we didn't write any hard & fast rules around it though | 14:52 |
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| danpb | there is still going to be a balancing act because we'll have important bug fixing work todo at the same time | 14:52 |
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| danpb | so Kilo1 will still be lighter than Kilo2/3 in terms but should be better than what we had for juno1 | 14:52 |
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| sgordon | right | 14:53 |
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| sgordon | i know originally it was suggested specs would be locked/not reviewed at this point | 14:53 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, do you want to try raise this on the M/L to prod some more discussion? | 14:54 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: Yes, give me that action :-) | 14:54 |
| sgordon | #action adrian-hoban to follow up on M/L regarding potential for pre-loading the early kilo milestones | 14:55 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:55 |
| sgordon | so we're drawing on time for today | 14:55 |
| smazziotta | FYI, currently in the ETSI meeting. we started discussion on liaison. I will be reporting to the team the outcome of the discsussion on ESTI NFV gaps next wednesday. | 14:55 |
| sgordon | thanks | 14:55 |
| sgordon | #action smazziotta to report on outcome of ETSI NFV gaps discussion at next week's meeting | 14:56 |
| sgordon | thanks all for the discussion | 14:56 |
| bauzas | thanks | 14:56 |
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| sgordon | let's look to make sure we are closing those gaps we talked about w.r.t. engagement with the specific projects we are working on | 14:56 |
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| sgordon | it's an ongoing issue that pre-dates this subteam but we need to continue to work on it | 14:57 |
| sgordon | thanks all! | 14:57 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 30 14:57:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-07-30-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-07-30-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-07-30-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
| ulikleber | bye | 14:57 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:01 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:02 |
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| bhooshan | hi | 15:02 |
| Swami | bhooshan: hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:03 |
| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 30 15:03:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:03 |
| Swami | #info Agenda DVR Update | 15:04 |
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| Swami | As you all are aware most of the DVR patches have merged upstream except for the scheduler patch. | 15:05 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/neutron-ovs-dvr,n,z | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: I believe the final one will merge today. Working on it. | 15:06 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Thanks for the update, yes I did see that it was ready to move in. | 15:06 |
| Swami | Having said that all the patches will end up in upstream by today, the next action item that we have is to test. | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | Yes. Still lots of work to do here. | 15:08 |
| Swami | As you all are aware there is a "DVR HowTo" and people can use it for testing the DVR code. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | Fixing bugs would be our highest priority. | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DVR/HowTo | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | I am using the tag “l3-dvr-backlog” on bugs to track our backlog upstream. If you know of a backlog item, let’s get it reported there. | 15:09 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Thanks for bringing it up. | 15:09 |
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| Swami | Yes yesterday I filed a bug and then Armando tagged it to "l3-dvr-backlog". | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | With the original patches merged, all of the tangled dependencies are freed. We can make a lot of progress with small fixes done in parallel. | 15:11 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-dvr-backlog | 15:11 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: yes that would be great. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | Please don’t hesitate to ping me when reviews are needed. This is my top priority. | 15:12 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: Sure will do | 15:12 |
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| Swami | #topic Horizon support for DVR | 15:13 |
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| Swami | bhooshan: are you still there | 15:13 |
| bhooshan | yes | 15:13 |
| bhooshan | yes Swami | 15:13 |
| Swami | bhooshan: I saw your mail about working with Akihiro motoki on the horizon side to support dvr. | 15:14 |
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| Swami | Are you clear about the requirements to support the "distributed" flag for the routers. | 15:14 |
| bhooshan | yes I had couple of mail exchange with Akihiro Motoki | 15:15 |
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| bhooshan | He asked me to start working on horizon support for DVR | 15:15 |
| Swami | when are you planning to start the work. | 15:16 |
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| bhooshan | I will start the investigation this week itself | 15:16 |
| Swami | The reason I am asking is, the milestone 3 is going to have more reviews than any other milestone. So makesure that your patch gets in early. | 15:16 |
| bhooshan | right now I could not find much information from blueprint | 15:17 |
| amotoki | bhooshan: it is good to add a note on work items we discussed in the blueprint page. Everyone can share the information. | 15:17 |
| Swami | amotoki: thanks for working with bhooshan on the horizon support for DVR. | 15:17 |
| bhooshan | Sure Akhiro, i will surely do that | 15:17 |
| Swami | bhooshan: Please ping me if you need any information on the DVR if it is not clear. | 15:18 |
| bhooshan | thanks, yes I will do that | 15:18 |
| amotoki | Swami: In my view, horizon side change is small enough that we can do it as a bug :-) | 15:18 |
| Swami | Basically we need to have a field ( distributed) in the horizon router-create page that is only exposed/valid for admin users. | 15:19 |
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| Swami | It should accept boolean ( True/False). | 15:19 |
| Swami | amotoki: Yes, that sounds reasonable. | 15:19 |
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| amotoki | Swami: I added what I need to add to the blueprint page: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/enhance-horizon-for-dvr | 15:20 |
| Swami | bhooshan: Does this help you understand the requirement. | 15:20 |
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| amotoki | Please check the whiteboard. | 15:20 |
| bhooshan | swami: yes | 15:20 |
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| Swami | bhooshan: Thanks, let me know if you more information. | 15:21 |
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| amotoki | IMO we don't need to support migration from CR to DVR in GUI. | 15:21 |
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| Swami | amotoki: Migration is through router-update command. | 15:22 |
| amotoki | Swami: i think we are in the same page. | 15:22 |
| Swami | So from the horizon gui perspective you still support router-update and router-create with the "distributed" key/value pair. | 15:22 |
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| bhooshan | swami : route-update command support DVR | 15:23 |
| Swami | bhooshan: all other commands will be supported similar to a legacy router. | 15:24 |
| amotoki | one question: Is a migration from DVR to CR supported? | 15:24 |
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| Swami | amotoki: Glad that you brought up this question. No the migration from DVR to CR is not supported at this time. | 15:24 |
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| Swami | We are only supporting legacy routers to be migrated to the centralized. | 15:25 |
| amotoki | Swami: thanks for the clarification. That is what I gather from the discussion so far. It is important from UI perspective. | 15:26 |
| Swami | amotoki: np | 15:26 |
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| Swami | Do you have any other questions related to DVR support in horizon, otherwise I will move on to the next topic | 15:27 |
| amotoki | none from me | 15:27 |
| bhooshan | none from me | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: amotoki: I will add conversion the other way to the backlog but I will recommend a low to medium importance. I don’t think it will make Juno. | 15:28 |
| Swami | bhooshan: amotoki: Thanks | 15:28 |
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| amotoki | carl_baldwin: totally makes sense | 15:28 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Yes go ahead and add it but we will address that migration later, once we finish the Legacy-to-dvr migration. | 15:29 |
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| Swami | #topic Migration/conversion | 15:29 |
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| Swami | There is already a patch out there on the migration support for DVR. | 15:30 |
| Swami | I think I have added support on the plugin side. | 15:30 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105855/ | 15:31 |
| Swami | Still the scheduler side and the agent side work has to go in. | 15:31 |
| Swami | As per last week's discussion, we still wanted this patch to be a single patch that supports migration. | 15:32 |
| Swami | We don't want to split them into scheduler, agent and plugin side. | 15:32 |
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| Swami | I don't have anything else on the migration at this point. | 15:35 |
| Swami | #topic Services support with DVR | 15:35 |
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| Swami | I have mentioned in the previous meeting that we are working with the FWaaS team to implement FWaaS with DVR on the North-South traffic. | 15:36 |
| Swami | We are not targeting FWaaS to the East-West at this time, this has some issues and need to be resolved. | 15:37 |
| Swami | Is Yi and SridharK here to talk about their progress. | 15:37 |
| Swami | Ok, let me check with them in the FWaaS meeting. | 15:38 |
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| Swami | Next is the LBaaS service. | 15:38 |
| Swami | Right now with the DVR enabled routers, the LBaaS service is broken. But with the legacy routers they are still functional. | 15:39 |
| Swami | There is an issue with our scheduler that only schedules routers, whose interface ports are associated with just the "Compute" Node | 15:40 |
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| Swami | If the interface ports are associated with a port of port_owner "Loadbalancer" it does not honor it. | 15:41 |
| Swami | We will have to fix and test this for the LBaaS to be function with DVR enabled nodes. | 15:41 |
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| Swami | Next we need to also work on the VPNaaS. | 15:42 |
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| Swami | For immediate work, we might have to introduce a check in the VPNaaS code that only allows the "legacy" routers to be part of the VPNaaS. | 15:43 |
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| Swami | This can be addressed through a bug fix. | 15:44 |
| Swami | Meanwhile we should work on supporting the VPNaaS for the DVR. This may not be possible by the Juno timeframe. | 15:44 |
| Swami | #topic Testing | 15:44 |
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| Swami | armax: hi | 15:45 |
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| armax | Swami: hi | 15:45 |
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| armax | we’re pretty close to getting the experimental job up and running | 15:45 |
| armax | if there are any infra guys browsing this room | 15:45 |
| armax | we need some more love on these two patches: | 15:46 |
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| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106901/ | 15:46 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106902/ | 15:46 |
| Swami | armax: I could not make it to the yesterday infra meeting. | 15:46 |
| Swami | On monday's meeting they mentioned that they will give an update on the multinode setup. | 15:46 |
| Swami | Did you hear anything from them. | 15:46 |
| armax | Swami: I have seen the patch | 15:47 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106043/ | 15:47 |
| armax | so the work is in progress | 15:47 |
| armax | there’s another one: | 15:47 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105569/ | 15:47 |
| Swami | armax: thanks for the update | 15:47 |
| armax | np | 15:48 |
| Swami | #topic OpenDiscussion | 15:48 |
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| Swami | Any topic that you would like to discuss | 15:49 |
| Swami | From next week onwards we can go over the bug lists as one of the topics for our DVR meeting until release. | 15:49 |
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| Swami | If there are no other topics to be discussed, I will end this session. | 15:50 |
| Swami | Thanks everyone for joining the meeting. | 15:50 |
| Swami | meet you all next week, hopefully then DVR will all be upstream and we can do some regression testing on it. | 15:51 |
| Swami | Thanks | 15:51 |
| Swami | bye | 15:51 |
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| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 30 15:51:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-07-30-15.03.html | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-07-30-15.03.txt | 15:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-07-30-15.03.log.html | 15:51 |
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| trinaths | Hi ML2ers | 15:58 |
| rkukura | hi | 15:58 |
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| shivharis | hi | 15:59 |
| yamamoto_ | hi | 15:59 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello | 16:00 |
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| banix | hi | 16:00 |
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| rkukura | looks like we have a quorum of ML2er, and can get started | 16:00 |
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| shivharis | Folks I have a hard stop at meeting+20 minutes | 16:00 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 30 16:01:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Agenda | 16:01 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | Hope to make this a relatively quick meeting today | 16:02 |
| rkukura | I don’t have any announcements - does anyone else? | 16:02 |
| yamamoto_ | nothing from me | 16:02 |
| trinaths | nothing | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:03 |
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| shivharis | hi | 16:03 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Do you have an update for us? | 16:03 |
| shivharis | i need someone to pick up this bug, it is still in unassigned state... | 16:03 |
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| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1327127 | 16:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1327127 in neutron "neutron: infinite loop in port create (qpid/ML2 ovs) - Icehouse" [High,Confirmed] | 16:03 |
| shivharis | can someone attending do so? | 16:04 |
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| shivharis | ok, i am going to assign then | 16:04 |
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| shivharis | bug status?https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1311470 | 16:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1311470 in neutron "Disabling an ML2 type driver can leave orphaned DB records" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:04 |
| shivharis | navin? | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: on the first one, it seems like there is workaround in place | 16:05 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: can you update status, we can go from there | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: let me follow up on that | 16:06 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: please add your comments, thanks | 16:06 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:06 |
| shivharis | Any other questions on bug? | 16:06 |
| shivharis | bugs? | 16:06 |
| rkukura | I’m not sure there is a lot we can do about the orphaned DB records | 16:06 |
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| shivharis | Orphanded records can have a negative impact on "sync" | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | Maybe disabling an “in-use” type driver should be considered operator error | 16:08 |
| rkukura | Maybe we need a way to disable new segments of a type from being created without actually unconfiguring the driver | 16:08 |
| shivharis | rkukura: can you please add your comments in the bug, so we have a place to discuss | 16:09 |
| rkukura | shivharis: OK | 16:09 |
| shivharis | rkukura: thanks | 16:09 |
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| yamamoto_ | i suggest to put https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ml2 on agenda as we decided to tag ml2 related bugs so while ago. | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: makes sense | 16:09 |
| shivharis | folks thats all i have on bugs this time. | 16:09 |
| rkukura | #action rkukura to add comments to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1311470 | 16:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1311470 in neutron "Disabling an ML2 type driver can leave orphaned DB records" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:09 |
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| rkukura | anything else on bugs? | 16:09 |
| rkukura | #topic Code Reviews | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | #undo | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | #topic Spec Reviews | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | We are now well past the SAD - does anyone know of any unapproved ML2 specs that are candidates for exceptions? | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: last week I made a case for two of Rich's specs | 16:11 |
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| yamamoto_ | portsecurity one? | 16:11 |
| rkukura | Right | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | I do not think they made it | 16:12 |
| rkukura | Are these blocked on reviews right now, or just on mestery granting exceptions? | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | they were blocked on reviews - but, now, I believe they should be unblocked | 16:12 |
| mestery | FYI: We're well past exception at this point. I'm unlikely to approve any new specs. | 16:12 |
| mestery | We have 84 approved for 5 weeks of the cycle left. | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | Rich was on PTO - Henry has been filling in for him | 16:13 |
| mestery | That's about 14 to merge a week. | 16:13 |
| mestery | Which is impossible :) | 16:13 |
| rkukura | OK, so these should be considered deferred until Kilo I guess | 16:13 |
| mestery | rkukura: +1 | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | Sounds fine - wanted to give it a final push/plea :-) | 16:13 |
| rkukura | I think that makes sense for port security, allowing it to be implemented as an exception driver, assuming that makes Juno | 16:14 |
| rkukura | Maybe some aspects of Rich’s specs could be treated as bug fixes rather than new features? | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I doubt it | 16:15 |
| BrianB_ | We need Rich changes so we can depericate the cisco plugin | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura, BrianB_: from the spec it looks like a new feature - hence will have to wait until Kilo | 16:16 |
| BrianB_ | sukhdev: it;s for feature parity | 16:17 |
| rkukura | BrianB_: I think parity issues between a plugin and a driver might be treated as bugs | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | BrianB_: are you referring to L3 Service Plugin spec? | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | BrianB_: If yes, that is a new feature for Neutron - not a parity issue | 16:18 |
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| BrianB_ | Sukhdev: yes specficly the SVI is parity, | 16:19 |
| rkukura | OK, lets move on | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | BrianB_: I rather see the spec getting approval as oppose to dealing it with as a bug | 16:20 |
| rkukura | Should we update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews and use it for tracking Juno code reviews from this point forward? | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes, we should. I updated it last week the status of spec approvals - now we should use it for core reviews | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura banix put in a good work into it, we should use it :-) | 16:22 |
| rkukura | OK, if “Specs Under Review” is up to date, it probably should be renamed to “Deferred Specs” | 16:22 |
| shivharis | rkukura: +1 | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: agreed | 16:22 |
| rkukura | #topic Code Reviews | 16:22 |
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| mxu | Hi rkukura, I assume the owners of the code should updae https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews, correct? | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: you can assign an action to me or banix to update that table | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | #action Sukhdev and banix to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews with deferred specs and for tracking code reviews for approved specs | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | Are there any code reviews that need discussion today? | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | OK, lets try to keep up with subteam code reviews, and make sure code is in pretty good shape before asking for core reviews. | 16:26 |
| rkukura | Also, we need to focus on higher priority reviews, but not ignore the vendor-specific patches eitehr | 16:26 |
| rkukura | ether | 16:26 |
| rkukura | either (sorry can’t type today) | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: makes sense | 16:27 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Hierarchical Port Binding and Dynamic Segments | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | I started to review the document last night and fell asleep - could not finish reading it | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | Will read it today | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: are we almost converged on it? | 16:29 |
| banix | is there a link? | 16:29 |
| rkukura | There are a couple of approved blueprints that, together, allow mechanism drivers for switches to dynamically manage segments (typically VLAN) that are then bound with other mechanism drivers (openvswitch, …) at the host level. | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | banix:yes | 16:29 |
| rkukura | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-hierarchical-port-binding | 16:29 |
| rkukura | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-type-driver-refactor | 16:30 |
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| banix | thanks | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | Here is link to Bob's doc on the subject https://docs.google.com/a/arista.com/document/d/1rqTHiLgV_3bw3nbiggY_xM-xETDsw0aK5rZZVXopSU8/edit#heading=h.3gt7q76urxew | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | I’ve been working the past week to try to get some concensus among the mechanism driver authors that will take advantage of this on what network_type values and corresponding TypeDrivers are needed, etc. | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | It would be helpful to know which mechanism drivers are likely to use this in Juno or in Kilo | 16:31 |
| rkukura | And try to document how the pieces fit together in the Google doc that Sukhdev mentioned | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Juno is too early for us. I will most likely use it in Kilo | 16:32 |
| padkrish | i will evaluate it and respond back...my code for VDP is posted for review | 16:33 |
| rkukura | I believe Cisco plans to use this in the DFA and APIC mechanism drivers in Juno if possible | 16:33 |
| padkrish | rkukura# right | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | So, if there are takers for this in Juno, we should prioritize it and get a quick closure | 16:34 |
| rkukura | asomya has a WIP patch for the type driver refactor that I’d really like the subteam to look at closely: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110404/ | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | From my perspective, the main requirement for the type driver BP/patch is to allow allocation of the dynamic VLAN segments. | 16:35 |
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| rkukura | We need to decide whether the refactoring to let type drivers manage their own property storage is needed for this, should be included with this, or should be handled separately, possibly in Kilo | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | padkrish rkukura: have you thought about the CLI implications of this? | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | I.e. how will one create multi-segmented networks from Neutron API? | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | It seems zzelle’s partial specs code that merged can do some of what’s needed, by specifying the network_type and physical_network, allowing the segmentation_id to be allocated. | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I think the CLI can be used to create multi-segment networks with arbitraty properties, but how/whether those show up in the providernet attributes remains to be determined | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | I hope to get working on the actual hierarchical binding code in the next couple days, but have been waiting for the DVR patches that reorganize much of this code to merge first (if they are going to). | 16:39 |
| rkukura | armax has been doing a lot of good work on this | 16:40 |
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| armax | rkukura: yes, I have another merge conflict to go through :) | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | Expect some emails in openstack-dev related to the hierarchical binding and dynamic segments in the next few days | 16:41 |
| armax | rkukura: I keep getting sidelined, but I should be able to get there soon enough | 16:41 |
| rkukura | armax: Same here - will catch up on the outstanding reviews | 16:41 |
| armax | rkukura: :) | 16:42 |
| rkukura | Anything else on this topic? | 16:42 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:42 |
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| amotoki | I have a question on VDP review. VDP support is a kind of dynamic VLAN segment support (hierarychcal binding) and both are tackling similar area (though I haven't reviewed enough). | 16:42 |
| amotoki | how do we coordinate these efforts? | 16:42 |
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| padkrish | amotoki# Hierarchical binding concept is general. VDP is one way of doing hierarchical binding | 16:43 |
| rkukura | amotoki: We’ve been discussing a plan to introduce a “vdp_vlan” network type that gets used as a dynamic segment to indicate that VDP should be used to negotiate the VLAN. | 16:43 |
| amotoki | rkukura: it sounds reasonable. | 16:44 |
| rkukura | amotoki: The get_device_details RPC would return this to the L2 agent once its been bound by the openvswitch mechanism driver | 16:44 |
| rkukura | And the openvswitch agent would then trigger the negotiation. | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | Anything else for today’s ML2 meeting? | 16:45 |
| amotoki | rkukura: the behavior is same as what I think and perhaps i discussed it with padkrish in the spec reivew. thanks. | 16:45 |
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| padkrish | #amotoki# yes | 16:45 |
| yamamoto_ | nothing from me | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | The use of dynamic segments for VDP should be addressed in the google doc that Sukhdev linked | 16:46 |
| rkukura | anything else? | 16:46 |
| rkukura | If not, lets wrap up a bit early | 16:46 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 30 16:47:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-07-30-16.01.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-07-30-16.01.txt | 16:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-07-30-16.01.log.html | 16:47 |
| yamamoto_ | bye | 16:47 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:47 |
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| Sukhdev | bye | 16:47 |
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| amotoki | thanks | 16:48 |
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