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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 11 20:01:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | Sorry about that guys... almost missed the meeting time | 20:02 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:02 | |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:02 |
| jvrbanac | _o/ | 20:02 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| kaitlin-farr | o/ | 20:02 |
| blpoulos | o/ | 20:02 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 20:02 |
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| SheenaG1 | o/ | 20:02 |
| chellygel | \o/ | 20:02 |
| paul_glass | o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | awww yeah!!! lots of barbicaneers here | 20:03 |
| SheenaG1 | IT'S A PARTY! | 20:03 |
| redrobot | hehe indeed! | 20:03 |
| redrobot | ok, let's get the ball rolling | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Barbican Integration | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barbican Integration (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Integration | 20:04 |
| redrobot | So, I was asked by SheenaG1 to start looking into the integration tasks we'll be needing to meet to graduate from Incuabation | 20:05 |
| redrobot | the documented requirements are listed here: | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/incubation-integration-requirements.rst#n79 | 20:05 |
| redrobot | the first link is for a wiki page that summarizes the items that I think still need work | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | I still have to get a hold of the TC to figure out if there are any undocumented requirements | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | I am expecting at least half a dozen undocumented requirements per our experience Incubating | 20:07 |
| redrobot | in any case... the biggest item in the list in my opinion is integration with Horizon | 20:07 |
| redrobot | I don't think anyone has looked at integration, or even blueprinted what integration might look like | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | Another big area is documentation, which I know SheenaG1 is starting to tackle | 20:08 |
| SheenaG1 | Wheeeeeee. | 20:08 |
| redrobot | so I wanted to bring up the topic, to see if there are any contributors who may have free time to look into the Horizon integration piece | 20:09 |
| rellerreller | I saw there is a docs gate test. What is that doing? | 20:09 |
| redrobot | rellerreller so the docs gate was added by infra (we think?) some time last week | 20:09 |
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| rellerreller | What kind of help are you looking for with the Horizon integration? What are you hoping to see? | 20:10 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot what does the docs gate test do? I just noticed it today. | 20:10 |
| redrobot | right now it's not doing much. it's basically just running tox -e docs, which in turn is just running setup.py build_sphinx | 20:10 |
| redrobot | eventually the docs are going to end up in docs.openstack.org | 20:11 |
| redrobot | oh, never mind, I think they're already being pushed | 20:11 |
| redrobot | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/barbican/ | 20:11 |
| rellerreller | OK, that's good to know. | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | I'm not entirely sure if this is pushed every merge, or if its only during release | 20:12 |
| redrobot | but yeah... it did kind of take everyone by surprise when the gate turned on last week. | 20:12 |
| redrobot | The idea is that we'll start building the Sphix based documentation, which is docs aimed at developers/contributors | 20:13 |
| redrobot | *Sphinx | 20:13 |
| redrobot | The docs I linked is a first pass I made at documenting things a few weeks back | 20:13 |
| redrobot | I don't think there's much there, so any help would be appreciated | 20:14 |
| redrobot | as far as Dashboard (Horizon) integation, I htink that's still up for debate | 20:14 |
| redrobot | to be honest, I'm not sure if it's up to us, Horizon or the TC to decide what the integration would look like | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | jraim are you around? | 20:14 |
| redrobot | the governance docs don't go into much detail as to what is required, other than "some" integration is required | 20:15 |
| redrobot | Depending on what is needed, we may not be able to graduate to integrated for Kilo | 20:16 |
| redrobot | so now that I'm talking about it here, maybe I need to dig deeper into this? | 20:16 |
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| woodster_ | sounds like reaching out earlier to the TC similar to what jraim did for incubation might be needed. | 20:18 |
| redrobot | I agree | 20:18 |
| SheenaG1 | x2 | 20:18 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot will reach out to TC to flesh out Integration requirements, especially Horizon integration | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | I think it would be awesome if we can Graduate when our review comes up at the end of Juno, but I'm starting to think it may be a long shot | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | Also, is there anyone interested in being part of the vulnerability disclousure process for Barbican? | 20:21 |
| redrobot | I was thinking of volunteering myself, but we'll need at least one more | 20:21 |
| redrobot | preferably a couple more | 20:21 |
| chellygel | what does that entail? | 20:21 |
| redrobot | all the details are outlined here: | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Vulnerability_Management | 20:21 |
| woodster_ | sounds personal | 20:21 |
| * redrobot feels a little vulnerable ;) | 20:22 | |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: I'd like to help out - being ex VMT etc I might be able to add value. | 20:22 |
| hyakuhei | might be a nice way to get more involved too. | 20:22 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei woohoo! sounds good | 20:23 |
| woodster_ | This line is interesting: "Where a member of the team is employed by a downstream stakeholder, the member does not give their employer prior notice of any vulnerabilities." What if your employer is implementing the code themselves? | 20:23 |
| hyakuhei | woodster_: It's just a best intention document - not the most presciptive of policies... | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | hyakuhei: ok, thanks | 20:24 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei send me your contact info so I can list you as a Vulnerability contact for Barbican | 20:25 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei /me douglas.mendizabal AT rackspace.com | 20:25 |
| hyakuhei | Righto | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | I think that's all I wanted to cover for now... I'll be talking to the TC as we get closer to the end of the cycle | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments before we move on to the next agenda point? | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on. | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | #topic Barbican as a Keystone service | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller you wanted to talk about this? | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | blpoulos has been working to integrate Barbican into Nova and Cinder. She ran into an issue and is wondering if others know how to solve it. | 20:28 |
| blpoulos | I am working on patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104001/ for nova and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104339/ for cinder. | 20:29 |
| blpoulos | These patches add a barbican keymgr wrapper, so that barbican can be used with cinder volume encryption. | 20:29 |
| blpoulos | Currently, I am unable to get the barbican service URL, and provide it manually as a config parameter. | 20:29 |
| blpoulos | Ideally, this would come from the service catalog. | 20:29 |
| blpoulos | I would like to create a barbican client with just the nova context or cinder context. | 20:29 |
| blpoulos | These context objects have the auth token and the user ID, among other values. | 20:29 |
| blpoulos | Does anyone have any experience/ideas for using the context objects to create a barbican client? | 20:29 |
| blpoulos | (Where this would be used would be line 70 of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104339/10/cinder/keymgr/barbican.py) | 20:29 |
| redrobot | blpoulos it is possible that barbicanclient does not support context objects | 20:31 |
| redrobot | barbicanclient has not been getting all the attention it should, so it's lagging behind a bit | 20:31 |
| redrobot | we were also waiting for some patches to land on keystoneclient to be able to use sessions and other goodies | 20:32 |
| blpoulos | gotcha | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | we /should/ have an entry in Keystone catalog for the service endpoint though | 20:32 |
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| blpoulos | Using devstack I do have an entry in Keystone for barbican | 20:33 |
| blpoulos | but I'm just having trouble accessing it, and was wondering if anyone else had any insight | 20:33 |
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| rellerreller | blpoulos what do you mean by accessing it | 20:34 |
| blpoulos | getting it using just the context | 20:34 |
| blpoulos | from keymgr/barbican.py | 20:34 |
| blpoulos | I'd like to retrieve the service URL for barbican from keystone | 20:34 |
| woodster_ | does that endpoint in the service catalog have a 'v1' at the end? | 20:35 |
| blpoulos | yes | 20:35 |
| woodster_ | it sounds like we might be able to discuss/troubleshoot this offline in the barbican IRC? | 20:36 |
| blpoulos | sounds good | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | yeah... I was trying to dig up an etherpad we had with notes of changes that we need on barbicanclient, and related changes on keystoneclient | 20:37 |
| redrobot | I think I remember a pending CR on keystone that would add the ability to get the endpoint from the session? ... not sure though | 20:37 |
| redrobot | we can definitely look at this more offline. | 20:38 |
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| woodster_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-juno-hackathon | 20:39 |
| woodster_ | ...as an FYI anyway :) | 20:39 |
| redrobot | thanks woodster_ | 20:39 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbicanclient-keystone-sessions-vs-auth | 20:39 |
| redrobot | ^^ is the one I was thinking about | 20:39 |
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| woodster_ | ah, got it | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | ok guys... that's all I had on the agenda for today. Any other topics/questions/concerns/comments? | 20:42 |
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| woodster_ | do folks know if atiwari is on vacation? I was interested in two CRs he is working on... | 20:43 |
| rm_work | I have a question about containers and naming restrictions for Secrets | 20:44 |
| rm_work | if we could briefly touch on that | 20:44 |
| redrobot | ok, one at a time... | 20:44 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | #topic Containers and Naming Restrictions for Secrets | 20:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Containers and Naming Restrictions for Secrets (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:44 | |
| rm_work | (also, I missed all of the backlog for this meeting, JUST realized it was happening now) | 20:44 |
| redrobot | rm_work go ahead | 20:44 |
| rm_work | alright, so I'm working on python-barbicanclient right now | 20:45 |
| rm_work | and I'm wondering if we have or see a need for naming restrictions on secrets... | 20:45 |
| rm_work | it may impact the way I implement container support | 20:45 |
| rm_work | for example, could a container have a secret named "name" or "type"? | 20:45 |
| redrobot | afaik, names are arbitrary and we don't enforce any kind of validation | 20:46 |
| rm_work | ok | 20:46 |
| rm_work | I'll have to plan for that then | 20:46 |
| redrobot | if a name is null we assign the UUID as a name | 20:46 |
| rm_work | that's all I had :P | 20:46 |
| rm_work | right, but if they had a *secret* named "name" | 20:46 |
| rm_work | I was going to try to have all of the secrets be properties on the Container object based on their name | 20:46 |
| woodster_ | so the container to secret association can have a name, and the individual secrets can have names too. | 20:47 |
| rm_work | but that doesn't work obviously if there could be a collision between the Container's name property and a secret named "Name" | 20:47 |
| redrobot | fancy.... but totally not what the BP specified. :-P | 20:47 |
| rm_work | redrobot: shhhh | 20:47 |
| rm_work | I can always update the BP :P | 20:47 |
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| woodster_ | there is a ContainerSecret association that holds the name you see in the Container API | 20:48 |
| redrobot | hehe.... I'd rather keep properties on the container limited to only typed containers where we know what the secret restrictions are | 20:48 |
| rm_work | I guess my first commit for that CR will probably get ripped to shreds for not necessarily following the BP to the letter… we'll see what comes of that | 20:48 |
| paul_glass | Can two secrets in a container have the same name? | 20:48 |
| rm_work | redrobot: right, ok so definitely those | 20:48 |
| redrobot | paul_glass, generic container, yes | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | yep, a typed container just restricts what names you can associate to those secrets in the container | 20:49 |
| rm_work | right, so this could only apply to RSAContainer / CertificateContainer | 20:49 |
| rm_work | GenericContainer (or just… Container) would only be able to reference secrets by doing myContainer.secrets[secretName] | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | ...but the secrets themselves could have different names on them, or no names at all | 20:50 |
| rm_work | err | 20:50 |
| rm_work | oh, right actually I guess it'd have to be a list of Typles | 20:50 |
| rm_work | couldn't be a dict | 20:50 |
| rm_work | if a generic container can have multiple secrets that go by the same name | 20:50 |
| rm_work | *Tuples | 20:50 |
| rm_work | ok, I can talk offline / in #openstack-barbican if I have further questions about this | 20:51 |
| rm_work | thanks for the clarification | 20:51 |
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| redrobot | I thought it *might* be cool if a container could be iterated | 20:52 |
| redrobot | ie. | 20:52 |
| woodster_ | rm_work: Arvind is doing some work along these lines too...one of the CRs he is working on | 20:52 |
| redrobot | for secret in my_container: # do stuff | 20:52 |
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| redrobot | but it might be more trouble than is worth | 20:52 |
| rm_work | woodster_: is he doing "add containers to Python-barbicanclient"? if so, i need to coordinate with him :P | 20:52 |
| woodster_ | ha, not client side work | 20:53 |
| rm_work | well right now you can do "for secret in my_container.secrets: #do stuff" | 20:53 |
| tsv | redrobot, sorry, got delayed. Arvind is on vacation. he will be back tomorrow | 20:53 |
| redrobot | rm_work ok, that's cool too | 20:53 |
| rm_work | I can show you the kind of… framework I have in place right now, if you want to stop by sometime today redrobot | 20:53 |
| rm_work | may or may not actually make it to submitting a CR today | 20:53 |
| woodster_ | tsv: thanks! | 20:54 |
| redrobot | rm_work cool... I might swing by if I get some time. | 20:54 |
| redrobot | ok, guys seems like we're at a good stopping point for today | 20:54 |
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| redrobot | thanks everyone for coming. See you all next week, or sooner on #openstack-barbican | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 11 20:56:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-08-11-20.01.html | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-08-11-20.01.txt | 20:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-08-11-20.01.log.html | 20:56 |
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