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| irenab | hi, anyone for PCI pasthrough meeting? | 13:02 |
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| heyongli | hello | 13:03 |
| sadasu | Hello | 13:04 |
| irenab | #startmeeting pci_passthrough | 13:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 12 13:04:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is irenab. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:04 |
| irenab | hi | 13:04 |
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| irenab | baoli sent email that he cannot make it today | 13:04 |
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| beagles | `o | 13:05 |
| heyongli | 2 patches in, great | 13:05 |
| irenab | cool! | 13:05 |
| sadasu | I seemed to have missed that email | 13:05 |
| irenab | I am back after a week off, still trying to catch up | 13:06 |
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| irenab | Does anyone has some updates? | 13:07 |
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| sadasu | I am uploading a new patchset today based on current review comments | 13:07 |
| sadasu | folks can take a look after this update | 13:08 |
| irenab | sadasu: Did you do some code reuse of NIC switch MD? | 13:08 |
| heyongli | great, i will check tomorrow, | 13:08 |
| irenab | sadsu: will review as well | 13:08 |
| sadasu | irenab: lets talk about the code reuse | 13:08 |
| irenab | sadsu: sure | 13:09 |
| sadasu | we briefly touched upon it the last meeting | 13:09 |
| sadasu | not in detail since you weren't there | 13:09 |
| irenab | sadasu: sorry, didn't check the log yet... | 13:09 |
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| sadasu | so, in the current set of diffs cisco mech driver is inheriting from MechanismDriver | 13:10 |
| sadasu | the plan is to go with this until Juno-3 | 13:10 |
| irenab | sadasu: so for now there is no reuse, right? | 13:11 |
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| sadasu | right after Juno 3, we can commit changes to srio-nic-switch mech driver (which is going to be the common one) | 13:11 |
| sadasu | to make it more common based on discussion in the ML | 13:11 |
| sadasu | my mech driver will inherit from this common srio-nic-switch class as a subsequent bugfix again right after Juno-3 | 13:12 |
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| irenab | sadasu: to save time for everyone, I'll take a look at the last meeting log and maybe comment on review, ok? | 13:12 |
| irenab | sadasu: generally sounds reasonable | 13:13 |
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| sadasu | irenab: it is clear that we can re-use code...but just doing that as a seperate change | 13:14 |
| sadasu | hoping to make it easier on the reviewers since there is already a lot to come upto speed on here | 13:14 |
| irenab | sadsu: agree, probably most of the features are implemented in the same maner, number of L2 agents is good example... | 13:15 |
| sadasu | the common code is about 25% of the changes so it doesn't look like a replica of sriov-nic-switch | 13:16 |
| irenab | sadasu: so for the code review of cisco MD, I am assuming no code reuse | 13:16 |
| sadasu | correct....code re-use will be a bugfix within Juno cycle | 13:17 |
| sadasu | r u fine with that? | 13:17 |
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| irenab | sadasu: I am fine with it. | 13:18 |
| sadasu | irenab: cool & thanks | 13:18 |
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| irenab | heyongli: Did you have a chance to check the sriov-nic-switch for Intel NICs? | 13:19 |
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| irenab | seems that nova patches makeing a lot of progress. | 13:21 |
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| heyongli | irenab, our CI under internal testing | 13:21 |
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| heyongli | do you tested? | 13:21 |
| heyongli | if not, i need set up a manual testing bed. | 13:22 |
| irenab | heyongli: let me know if there are some issues. Yes, we tested and there is a CI job we run under Mellanox External Testing for this. Currenlty take the nova patches and apply them as part of the devstack deployment | 13:22 |
| heyongli | irenab, if you have sriov verify step by step guide, could you share it with me? | 13:23 |
| irenab | heyongli: actually, for now its is just port-create with vnic_type=direct, then nova boot | 13:23 |
| heyongli | there are some neutron part setting up, if you can share, that's great help to me | 13:24 |
| heyongli | ok, got | 13:24 |
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| heyongli | any other topic? | 13:26 |
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| irenab | heyongli: Ok, will check | 13:27 |
| irenab | heyongli: I can send you the neutron config we use | 13:28 |
| heyongli | thanks. | 13:28 |
| irenab | no more topics for me right now, maybe we needto prepare the list of next issues to discuss next meeting, probably need tempest, documentations, ... | 13:28 |
| irenab | I'll start the list on meeting wiki page, will send to all to update | 13:29 |
| heyongli | thanks irenab | 13:29 |
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| heyongli | then end meeting today? | 13:30 |
| sadasu | yes..makes sense | 13:30 |
| irenab | great, see you next week and on reviews | 13:30 |
| irenab | #endmeeting | 13:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 12 13:30:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-08-12-13.04.html | 13:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-08-12-13.04.txt | 13:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-08-12-13.04.log.html | 13:30 |
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| roshanagr | Hi good morning folks. Who is chairing the meeting today? | 16:04 |
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| tomblank | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:06 |
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| tomblank | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 12 16:06:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tomblank. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:06 |
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| tomblank | Ah, adrian_otto just joined... | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | sorry for the delay | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:07 |
| openstack | adrian_otto: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:07 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: i went ahead and started the meeting but can end and then you can restart as chair if you want | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | let's proceed, if you are willing to do the topic switching | 16:08 |
| tomblank | sure... | 16:08 |
| tomblank | #topic Roll Call | 16:08 |
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| PaulCzar | o/ | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:08 |
| roshanagr | Roshan Agrawal | 16:08 |
| tomblank | tom blankenship | 16:08 |
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| ravips | Ravi Sankar Penta | 16:08 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta | 16:08 |
| noorul | Noorul Islam | 16:08 |
| aratim | Arati Mahimane | 16:08 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 16:09 |
| james_li | james li | 16:09 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey | 16:09 |
| tomblank | #topic Announcements | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | any announcements from the team? | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's advance | 16:10 |
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| tomblank | #topic Action Items | 16:11 |
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| datsun180b | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-08-05-22.00.html last week's minutes | 16:14 |
| datsun180b | looks like ravips did already submit a ticket for keeping our wiki docs in rst | 16:15 |
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| ravips | yes, opened bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1355523 | 16:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1355523 in solum "Convert solum wiki pages to RST format" [Undecided,New] | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | thanks! | 16:15 |
| tomblank | ravips: thanks! | 16:16 |
| tomblank | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/juno-2 Juno Development Tasks | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | I am planning on curring the .2 release today | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | *cutting | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | is there anything we should arrange to merge before then? | 16:17 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum agenda — if anyone is looking for it | 16:17 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: what are the main features being released? | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | pipelines, private repos | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | I know pipelines all merged | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | did private repos get in yet? | 16:18 |
| devkulkarni | no, not yet | 16:18 |
| ravips | not yet | 16:18 |
| datsun180b | well i'd like the logging changes for worker to get there so we can actually chase down what happens in those containers | 16:18 |
| devkulkarni | +1 datsun180b | 16:18 |
| datsun180b | private repos is aaaaalmost there thanks to ravi | 16:18 |
| ravips | I made some more changes as per feedback from murali and Ed | 16:18 |
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| datsun180b | we've been testing your changes intensely ravips | 16:19 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: could you please share the patch link for logging? | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | any chance of merging that today? | 16:19 |
| ravips | we couldn't make it run on F20, james opened a bug against barbican, submitted a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113404/, waiting for approval from barbiacan team | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | even if it requires putting in tech debt bugs to follow up afterward to address? | 16:19 |
| datsun180b | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107464/ | 16:19 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: we might be rushing it.. | 16:19 |
| datsun180b | it should rebase cleanly against whatever else got in ahead of it but if not i can take care of it easily enough | 16:19 |
| devkulkarni | thanks datsun180b | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | I can hold off on the release for a day or two if that would allow us to get it in | 16:20 |
| gpilz | sorry i'm late | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | hi Gil | 16:20 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: that would help. I suggest we do that.. | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | so I can cut as many releases as we want | 16:20 |
| ravips | +1 | 16:21 |
| devkulkarni | oh okay. | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | so why don't I just cut one today with the current code, and then make a revision when we have the private repos | 16:21 |
| devkulkarni | in that case you can cut one today without private repo | 16:21 |
| datsun180b | sgtm | 16:21 |
| devkulkarni | the next one can have private repos and Ed's logging stuff | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | right | 16:21 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: +1 for cutting another with logging and private repos | 16:22 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed Cut a release today, and a subsequent release with Logging and Private Repos added | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | tomblank: ^^ need to repeat that for the bot to notice | 16:22 |
| tomblank | #agreed Cut a release today and a subsequent release with Logging and Private Repos added | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so other status about ongoing work? | 16:23 |
| julienvey | I'm having some troubles with marconi in devstack | 16:23 |
| julienvey | opened a bug in marconi | 16:23 |
| flaper87 | julienvey: we're working on that. The issue doesn't seem to be related to marconi but the openstack-common client | 16:24 |
| julienvey | flaper87: oh nice, thank you :) | 16:24 |
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| flaper87 | julienvey: mind joining #openstack-zaqar ? We'll keep you updated | 16:24 |
| julienvey | flaper87: I'm on it | 16:25 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 16:25 |
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| tomblank | any other status on ongoing work? if not, we'll move on to the next topic. | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we can switch topics to what we would all like to see included in Juno-3 | 16:26 |
| tomblank | #topic Feature Planning, Juno-3 (For Paris) | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | this would be anything you'd like us to be announcing in Paris. | 16:26 |
| datsun180b | i bet we could swing functional tests | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | paris will be almost our 1 year project birthday | 16:27 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: we'd like to have the build farm ready | 16:27 |
| devkulkarni | there was a feature roadmap that roshanagr had. are we not just following that? | 16:27 |
| datsun180b | unit -> build -> functional -> deploy | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: do you have a link to that handy? | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | I'm checking on it | 16:27 |
| roshanagr | Did we finish everything that is currently bucketed under Jun-2 release | 16:27 |
| roshanagr | https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/juno-2 | 16:27 |
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| devkulkarni | roshanagr: you had a wiki as well.. do you have that link handy? | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | git, Zuul, Environmments and CI/CD events | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | those are the ones we have earmarked for Juno | 16:29 |
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| devkulkarni | except for git we are not there with others | 16:30 |
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| aratim | We can do custom language pack support | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | git push was implemented? | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni | some additional things have happened instead (custom lang packs, pipelines, logging) | 16:30 |
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| devkulkarni | not in the sense of Solum hosting git repositories | 16:30 |
| roshanagr | Roadmap wiki link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/HighLevelRoadmap | 16:31 |
| devkulkarni | but more in the sense of 'users can push to their git repos' and Solum can take it from there | 16:31 |
| tomblank | is Zuul integration still desired for Juno? | 16:31 |
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| devkulkarni | roshanagr ^^ | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | my thought is, we are using Mistral | 16:32 |
| devkulkarni | for workflow | 16:32 |
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| devkulkarni | so for now we can punt on not using Zuul for that capability | 16:32 |
| tomblank | devkulkarni: that is my thought as well but want to get other folks opinions. | 16:32 |
| roshanagr | Should we run through the items parked under Juno-2 and see where we are on each | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | the reason Mistral support was added was to allow customization of the workflow | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | we would rather not duplicate functionality already present in other ecosystem projects | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | so leveraging the Mistral work to integrate Zuul would be a logical next step | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | another possibility is to show an example integration of using Jenkins for CI | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | and integrate that | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | to demonstrate that for shops that have an investment in Jenkins for CI already can leverage that, and use Solum for STI capability, and continuous deployment. | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | sure. | 16:35 |
| roshanagr | STI = ? | 16:36 |
| ravips | source to image | 16:36 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: on integrating jenkins. my 2 cents is that this would be higher priority than Zuul integration. | 16:36 |
| roshanagr | ok :-) | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | tomblank: +1 | 16:36 |
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| roshanagr | + 1. Jenkins is standard in CI | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | At the time we st our sights on Zuul, we did not have something like the CI pipeline code contemplated, so we were hoping that Zuul might be an answer for that | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | I think it makes sense to swap in Jenkins for Zuul in the planning | 16:37 |
| ravips | +1 | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | and put Zuul back on the wishlist for now | 16:38 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 16:38 |
| devkulkarni | lets get an agreed on that :) | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | if someone feels strongly, and wants to bring developers to work on that, we can see about advancing the priority again | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok, alternate points of view before considering an #agreed | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | ? | 16:38 |
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| tomblank | are there other new features that anyone considers higher priority than jenkins? | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | integration with trove, lb | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | were those part of juno-2 | 16:39 |
| julienvey | we should be clear about what we mean by "integrating jenkins" | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni | or later? | 16:39 |
| PaulCzar | are we talking that we would install and run jenkins ? or allow for an org to use their existing jenkins ? | 16:39 |
| roshanagr | What "feature" would we get from Jenkins immediately? | 16:39 |
| clarkb | you do get jenkins via zuul if you want to kill two birds with one stone | 16:39 |
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| julienvey | is it "enable already running jenkins to send notifications to solum" | 16:40 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: allow usage of existing Jenkins to be consumed within Solum's customizable CI | 16:40 |
| julienvey | or "enable CI via Jenkins in Solum workflow" | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: good question. We would get the ability to add your own existing CI solution to solum | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | the feature is actually there, but this would be a way to demonstrate it | 16:40 |
| roshanagr | adrian_otto: thanks ! | 16:40 |
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| devkulkarni | clarkb: good point. imo, starting with jenkins as a first step would be easier than 'zuul + jenkins' | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | to tell the story of two CI camps: 1) I am a CI master already, let me hook up, and 2) I don't do CI yet, and I want to start. | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | most software dev shops fall into those categories today | 16:41 |
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| tomblank | julienvey: i think it is "enable CI via Jenkins in Solum workflow". | 16:42 |
| PaulCzar | so, we would have an example mistral workflow that would call out to an external jenkins for the CI portion of the workflow for the approriate task ? | 16:42 |
| roshanagr | adrian_otto: on 1) - why would an existing Jenkins CI shop want to hook up to Solum CI | 16:42 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: yes | 16:42 |
| devkulkarni | at least thats my view | 16:42 |
| PaulCzar | roshanagr: they might already be managing user/integration testing with jenkins, and want Solum to do the source->image and deploy | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | roshanagr: for continuous deployment, and creation of docker images from a hosted service | 16:42 |
| PaulCzar | s/user/unit/ | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | to allow portability of the output to numerous deployment targets (OpenStack, other clouds, etc.) | 16:43 |
| roshanagr | adrian_otto: paulCz: thanks, get it | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar: exactly. | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | what about integration of APM? | 16:44 |
| tomblank | any additional questions on this and are we agreed to put Zuul integration on our backlog, and replace it with a simple Jenkins integration task that shows how to connect an existing Jenkins system to Solum? | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | APM = Application Performance Monitoring. The prevailing leader here today is NewRelic | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: what about it? are you asking should we pull it for Juno? | 16:45 |
| roshanagr | Is APM within the scope of STI? | 16:45 |
| tomblank | #agreed Put Zuul integration on our backlog, and replace it with a simple Jenkins integration task that shows how to connect an existing Jenkins system to Solum. | 16:45 |
| devkulkarni | roshanagr: those two are logically two separate things, no? | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: no it is beyond the scope. I wonder if we might scope that out for Juno, and focus on other features. | 16:46 |
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| roshanagr | devkulkarni: yes, that is what I thought as well | 16:46 |
| roshanagr | adrian_otto: yes | 16:46 |
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| devkulkarni | yes. did we have trove and load balance integration in Juno? If not, we should pull that in | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni | I think that will be useful | 16:47 |
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| aratim | +1 devkulkarni | 16:47 |
| roshanagr | Trove integration will be great. | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: yes, that is listed in Milestone 2014.2.3: Juno-3 | 16:48 |
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| devkulkarni | ok | 16:48 |
| tomblank | with build farm, jenkins integration, trove, LB, CI/CD events... that's a lot to complete prior to Juno... | 16:48 |
| roshanagr | APM: my bad, the roadmap has parked it under Juno 3. I take an action item to update the roadmap wiki | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | I suggest we make a prioritized backlog of the features | 16:48 |
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| tomblank | but maybe i'm just being pessimestic :) | 16:49 |
| PaulCzar | there’s also an interesting new project from google called cadvisor that we might want to look at integrating - https://github.com/google/cadvisor | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | and we will advance through them according to those priorities | 16:49 |
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| devkulkarni | tomblank: CI/CD events is a big topic. we can split it into multiple pieces and deliver them piece by piece | 16:49 |
| tomblank | s/pessimestic/ Pessimistic | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar: let's add that to the agenda to discuss next week | 16:49 |
| tomblank | devkulkarni: agreed... | 16:49 |
| julienvey | have to go :( bye | 16:50 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | ok, anyone super interested in a Juno feature that we have not yet identified? | 16:50 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: please give a short intro to it. | 16:50 |
| devkulkarni | what is it? why we should look at it? | 16:50 |
| devkulkarni | etc. | 16:50 |
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| tomblank | julienvey: thanks... | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | okay, we should advance to Open Discussion now | 16:50 |
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| tomblank | #topic Open Discussion | 16:50 |
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| devkulkarni | I have one topic | 16:51 |
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| gpilz | i have a topic | 16:51 |
| devkulkarni | gpilz has been working on the CAMP API additions to Solum, which is great | 16:51 |
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| devkulkarni | but it requires abstractions like assembly | 16:51 |
| devkulkarni | to be in place | 16:51 |
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| devkulkarni | I believe with pipelines | 16:51 |
| gpilz | I'd like to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112153/ reviewed | 16:51 |
| devkulkarni | we are getting rid of assembly notion | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: they are mutually exclusive | 16:52 |
| devkulkarni | I think gil's work won't be able to go anywhere if we get rid of assemblies | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | you don't need to use an assembly to do an STI process | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | it's for the post deployment part of the lifecycle | 16:52 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: yes — I would like them to be mutually exclusive | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | we should not eliminate Assemblies form the Solum API | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | but we don't need to use them for Pipelines | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | s/form/from/ | 16:53 |
| PaulCzar | longer term, assemblies might wrap on top of pipelines, but I think short term we will probably need to maintain both | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni | yes — as long as this is clear to everyone we should be good | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: do you have suggestions on how to achieve that clarity? Are we there now, or is there more needed? What could help get there? | 16:54 |
| devkulkarni | so I think we should surface this issue when asalkeld is part of the meeting | 16:54 |
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| gpilz | pipelines are a way of customizing how the application is built? | 16:55 |
| tomblank | should we start a ML thread on this? | 16:55 |
| devkulkarni | I might be wrong, but I think we all need to be on the same page with regards to pipelines and assemblies | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to add discussion of Pipelines and Assembly to next meeting agenda | 16:55 |
| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: I think the issue is that there are some people who have a vested interest in continuing to improve assembly, even though pipline is ‘the future’ | 16:55 |
| tomblank | #action adrian_otto to add discussion of Pipelines and Assembly to next meeting agenda | 16:55 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: I disagree | 16:55 |
| PaulCzar | so we need agreement from the community to continue to working on both | 16:56 |
| devkulkarni | I think the notion of assembly is separate from notion of a pipeline | 16:56 |
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| devkulkarni | vested interest or not, they identify different levels in an application lifecyle | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | if we don't have assembly, we only have stack | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | so think on that, and we will revisit that topic next week | 16:56 |
| gpilz | from a CAMP perspective an assembly represents a running application in its steady state | 16:56 |
| gpilz | how it got to that steady state is not something that concerns assembly | 16:57 |
| datsun180b | and we've been calling that a DU informally in solum | 16:57 |
| datsun180b | at least, a deployed DU | 16:57 |
| devkulkarni | personally I am more concerned with the churn | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: no, a du is the execution of a component of an app in the scope of a single host, not a group of hosts | 16:57 |
| devkulkarni | that changes to the abstractions | 16:57 |
| aratim | datsun180b: we call it an assembly | 16:57 |
| roshanagr | An assembly can comprise of multiple DU's hooked together with other services | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | roshanagr: +1 | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | changes to the abstractions cause in the minds of everyone | 16:58 |
| datsun180b | see this is why i'm quiet | 16:58 |
| gpilz | hehe | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so we have two minutes remaining for open Disucssion | 16:58 |
| devkulkarni | ha ha ha | 16:58 |
| gpilz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112153/ ? | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | gpilz: I will review it today | 16:59 |
| aratim | From an end user point of view, 'solum assembly create' seems a better command than 'solum pipeline create' | 16:59 |
| gpilz | do i need to get this approved before I can submit more changes? | 16:59 |
| devkulkarni | +1 aratim | 16:59 |
| gpilz | adrian: thanks | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: if you want to avoid possible rework, yes | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | if you do not care about rework, no. | 16:59 |
| devkulkarni | gpilz: code can be submitted before spec is merged (at least we have done that before, so should be okay) | 17:00 |
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| devkulkarni | submit it as a WIP | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | but leave your commits in WIP state until spec approval | 17:00 |
| gpilz | i love re-work | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone, tom, let's end | 17:00 |
| gpilz | okay | 17:00 |
| tomblank | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 12 17:00:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-08-12-16.06.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-08-12-16.06.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-08-12-16.06.log.html | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks tomblank! | 17:00 |
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| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 12 17:01:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
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| ruhe | hi murano team! | 17:01 |
| sjmc7 | hi | 17:01 |
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| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
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| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:02 |
| ruhe | i guess we can keep our meeting short today | 17:02 |
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| ruhe | #topic next steps with python-muranoclient 0.5.3 | 17:02 |
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| katyafervent | 0/ | 17:02 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, this was my bad.. i think kate's commits fix the issues | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | no worries sjmc7. it's a useful patch anyway | 17:03 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: sjmc7: do you think we should release new version? is it working ok now? | 17:04 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: did our dashboard tests pass on client with your patch applied? | 17:04 |
| katyafervent | yes | 17:04 |
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| katyafervent | dashboard is fine | 17:04 |
| ruhe | any objections towards a new release of python-muranoclient? | 17:04 |
| sjmc7 | no. thanks kate! | 17:05 |
| ruhe | #action ruhe to release python-muranoclient 0.5.4 | 17:05 |
| sjmc7 | on that note | 17:05 |
| katyafervent | ruhe, someday you told us that we can release the client as many times as we want :) | 17:05 |
| sjmc7 | is there a reason the dashboard is >= version ? | 17:05 |
| sjmc7 | rather than tied to one version? | 17:06 |
| ruhe | that's a good point sjmc7 | 17:06 |
| ruhe | i don't see any reasons not to do so | 17:06 |
| sergmelikyan | It helps to fix issues in python-muranoclient without re-releasing murano-dashboard | 17:07 |
| sjmc7 | yes, that's true | 17:07 |
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| ruhe | another good point from sergmelikyan | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | Projects in OpenStack usually assumes that client is backward compatible | 17:08 |
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| ruhe | and a new release of dashboard is a more complicated thing, because we need to keep dashboard versions in sync with murano versions | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan | and in sync of OpenStack versions... | 17:08 |
| sjmc7 | ok. in this case, it is my fault for not testing well enough, but with silent version upgrades it's often hard to diagnose problems | 17:08 |
| sjmc7 | esp if you just check out the dashboard and don't realize there's a version bump | 17:08 |
| ruhe | we're going to run dashboard tests on changes in python-muranoclient. that should help to catch compatibility issues before we release a new version of client | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, I know :( I have hit same issue with silent client version upgrades just yesterday | 17:09 |
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| ruhe | also, there is a patch to run integration tests (on murano-ci) with murano client instead of custom client. initially it was written with custom client to replicate common practices from Tempest | 17:10 |
| sjmc7 | the novaclient one was an example, too | 17:10 |
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| ruhe | ok. it seems that we should stay with >= | 17:10 |
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| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, you mean when all gates were broken due to bug in client? | 17:10 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. because they all have novaclient >= | 17:10 |
| sjmc7 | and it silently upgraded everything to the new version | 17:11 |
| sjmc7 | but at least it caught the bug, i guess. ok, i'm fine leaving it >= | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | Was there some discussion about this issue in ml? | 17:11 |
| katyafervent | right now the only way to follow the compatibility between client and dashboard in in dashboard requirements.txt | 17:11 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: we were affected by this issue for 2 or 3 days | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, I know | 17:11 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: i mean upgrade of novaclient | 17:12 |
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| ruhe | and i don't recollect any followup discussion on that issue | 17:12 |
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| sjmc7 | no. they fixed novaclient i think. it's happened before | 17:12 |
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| ruhe | #agreed stay with >= for dependency on python-muranoclient | 17:14 |
| ruhe | i promised to keep the meeting short. so, next topic :) | 17:14 |
| ruhe | #topic review blueprints for J3 | 17:14 |
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| ruhe | #link https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/juno-3 | 17:14 |
| ruhe | i don't want to go through all the blueprints of course (because i promised to keep the meeting short) | 17:15 |
| sjmc7 | our team is currently working on pre-release stuff so we're not doing much BP work at the moment | 17:15 |
| sjmc7 | the trusts stuff i do want to get done in j3 | 17:15 |
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| sjmc7 | that's the only one that's really not started | 17:16 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: yep. trusts are needed in j3 | 17:16 |
| sjmc7 | stanlagun - did you have any luck with reducing the number of requests the engine makes tothe API? | 17:16 |
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| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, I am not sure that stanlagun is here... I think this issue not started yet :( | 17:17 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i consider that one pretty important. it puts a massive load on the server | 17:17 |
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| ruhe | tsufiev: i think we should remove https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/dynamic-fields-on-service-details from j3 | 17:18 |
| sergmelikyan | I hope that on the next week Stan or me will have time to finish this :( Issue with requests require not so much efforts to be done :( | 17:18 |
| tsufiev | ruhe, agree. It depends on serious dynamic UI redesign, which has not yet started | 17:18 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: ok. i'm removing it from j3 | 17:18 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: what about keystone v3? | 17:20 |
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| sjmc7 | there's a commit in review. but the uptake of v3 seems very slow | 17:20 |
| sjmc7 | heat had a change that got reverted, many others are not reviewed | 17:20 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: ok. let's keep it targeted for j3 and see how it goes in other projects | 17:21 |
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| sjmc7 | and all the clients are different, which worries me. i did test the patch i committed, but it will need some more testing | 17:21 |
| sjmc7 | ideally there'd be a shared client | 17:21 |
| sjmc7 | it's stupid each project doing this | 17:21 |
| ruhe | agree | 17:22 |
| ruhe | it's a shame that commom client library is almost abandoned | 17:22 |
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| ruhe | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/murano-api-exception-handling please drive this one further | 17:23 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: ^^ | 17:23 |
| sjmc7 | error reporting is still something i'd really like to improve | 17:24 |
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| ruhe | and there are a lot of places it needs to be improved. not just by introducing specific exception classes. it's just a tiny part of work that needs to be done | 17:25 |
| katyafervent | ruhe, have it in my list | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, had a chance to work with our 0.5 version (released just before summit in Atlanta)... It's almost unbelievable how many things we fixed and improved %) | 17:25 |
| sjmc7 | i know, things have come a long way | 17:25 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: ok. thanks. i think it should be driven by multiple people since it's a complex field | 17:25 |
| sjmc7 | ruhe, katyafervent - i am happy to help with it | 17:25 |
| ruhe | great! | 17:25 |
| sjmc7 | we need a better design/discussion before more coding i think | 17:25 |
| ruhe | sure | 17:26 |
| sjmc7 | to make sure it makes sense. particularly, look at how other projects handle errors | 17:26 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7 +1000050000000 | 17:26 |
| katyafervent | sjmc7, If you have an ideas of the list of possible murano exceptions, you can create an etherpad and we will discuss it and extend it | 17:26 |
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| sjmc7 | it's not about specific exceptions, more what categories there are (whether it's a faulty package, or a server error the user can't control) and how we report it in the logs and to the user | 17:27 |
| ruhe | let's start with an etherpad to as a place where we dump our ides | 17:27 |
| sjmc7 | ok | 17:27 |
| sjmc7 | i'll try and put some ideas down today | 17:27 |
| ruhe | thanks sjmc7 | 17:27 |
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| sjmc7 | i'm juggling a lot of stuff the next few weeks though | 17:27 |
| ruhe | any other blueprints we should discuss today? | 17:27 |
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| sergmelikyan | About design/discussion we had an idea about out own mini-design summit in middle of cycle... Maybe in K | 17:28 |
| ruhe | #topic open discussion | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | i personally don't have anything for open discussion today | 17:29 |
| sjmc7 | me neither, except that since we're preparing for a release we'll be doing less upstream stuff for a few weeks | 17:30 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: no worries. we're getting close to j3 release. the rest of the time will be dedicated for bug fixes, and design planning for K | 17:30 |
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| sjmc7 | oh.. we will be doing a lot of documentation work in september | 17:31 |
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| sjmc7 | i'll make sure that's all upstreamed and reviewed | 17:31 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: awesome! we need more docs written by native speakers :) | 17:32 |
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| sjmc7 | we'll focus on usage documentation first, then package creation | 17:32 |
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| ruhe | sergmelikyan: katyafervent: do you have anything to discuss today? | 17:33 |
| katyafervent | nope | 17:33 |
| sergmelikyan | nope | 17:33 |
| ruhe | ok. let's wrap the meeting and get back to work | 17:34 |
| ruhe | katyafervent: sreshetnyak: it was a joke :) | 17:34 |
| sjmc7 | no jokes? :( | 17:34 |
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| ruhe | ah. sjmc7 please go ahead | 17:34 |
| sjmc7 | "My dog's got no nose!" | 17:34 |
| sjmc7 | the punchline can wait til paris | 17:35 |
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| ruhe | and the drum roll | 17:35 |
| ruhe | i'll need some time in google to understand the meaning of it :) | 17:36 |
| sjmc7 | :) you've got 3 months | 17:36 |
| sjmc7 | later guys | 17:36 |
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| ruhe | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 12 17:36:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-08-12-17.01.html | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-08-12-17.01.txt | 17:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-08-12-17.01.log.html | 17:36 |
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| tchaypo | O/ | 18:58 |
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| jdob | o/ | 18:59 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 18:59 |
| TheJulia | \o | 18:59 |
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| lifeless | o/ | 19:00 |
| gfidente | o/ | 19:00 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 12 19:00:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:00 |
| slagle | hi :) | 19:01 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:01 | |
| lifeless | * bugs | 19:01 |
| lifeless | * reviews | 19:01 |
| lifeless | * Projects needing releases | 19:01 |
| lifeless | * CD Cloud status | 19:01 |
| lifeless | * CI | 19:01 |
| lifeless | * Tuskar | 19:01 |
| lifeless | * Specs | 19:01 |
| lifeless | * Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:01 |
| lifeless | * open discussion | 19:01 |
| lifeless | Hi everyone :) | 19:01 |
| greghaynes | O/ | 19:01 |
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| dprince | hey TripleO's | 19:02 |
| bnemec | o/ | 19:02 |
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| chuckC | o/ | 19:02 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| lsmola2 | o/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:03 |
| lifeless | looking at criticals only atm - since we're swamped | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | bug 1263294 | 19:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1263294 in tripleo "ephemeral0 of /dev/sda1 triggers 'did not find entry for sda1 in /sys/block'" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1263294 | 19:04 |
| lifeless | bug 1316985 | 19:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316985 in tripleo "set -eu may spuriously break dkms module" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1316985 | 19:04 |
| lifeless | GheRivero: ^ | 19:04 |
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| lifeless | no sign of rpod :/ for bug 1317056 - I think we need to unassign it | 19:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1317056 in tripleo "Guest VM FS corruption after compute host reboot" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1317056 | 19:04 |
| lifeless | bug 1344326 | 19:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1344326 in tripleo "Updating nodes with persistent state data is not performed gracefully" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1344326 | 19:04 |
| lifeless | bug 1346424 0 dprince | 19:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1346424 in tripleo "Baremetal node id not supplied to driver" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1346424 | 19:05 |
| lifeless | bug 1352336 bnemec | 19:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1352336 in tripleo "init-keystone fails with ConnectionRefused" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1352336 | 19:05 |
| lifeless | bug 1353953 bnemec | 19:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1353953 in tripleo "Race between neutron-server and l3-agent" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353953 | 19:05 |
| lifeless | and bug 1354305 stevebaker (who will be asleep right now but I can speak to :)) | 19:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1354305 in tripleo "tripleo-heat-templates broken on even one-month old underclouds" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1354305 | 19:05 |
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| lifeless | I want to downgrade 1344326 | 19:06 |
| lifeless | its true that its abrupt | 19:06 |
| bnemec | 1352336 is waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112367/ | 19:06 |
| lifeless | but its no more abrupt than a power failure | 19:06 |
| lifeless | and we're in the first iteration of do-upgrade-at-all | 19:06 |
| bnemec | 1353953 should probably be downgraded to high since we have a workaround in place (although it's still happening from time to time in CI). | 19:07 |
| lifeless | +2'd https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112367/ | 19:08 |
| bnemec | \o/ | 19:08 |
| bnemec | lifeless: Agreed on 1344326 | 19:08 |
| tchaypo | Downgrading 112367 seems reasonable to me, on the basis that its the first iteration of upgrades | 19:08 |
| bnemec | Certainly important, but it's basically new functionality, not something broken that was working. | 19:08 |
| tchaypo | s/112367/1344326/ | 19:08 |
| lifeless | downgraded | 19:09 |
| slagle | at a cursory glance, it looks the ipmi driver also "reboots" nodes with a hard power off, perhaps that the cause of 1317056 | 19:09 |
| lifeless | so rpod says he can't reproduce | 19:10 |
| lifeless | I'll ping cian about what sort of reboot was done | 19:10 |
| slagle | ok | 19:10 |
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| TheJulia | C/win 10 | 19:11 |
| TheJulia | doh | 19:11 |
| * bnemec just figured out who rpod is | 19:11 | |
| lifeless | rpoliaka sorry | 19:12 |
| lifeless | lazy fingers | 19:12 |
| lifeless | dprince: are you around ? | 19:12 |
| tchaypo | Thank you TheJulia | 19:12 |
| dprince | lifeless: yes | 19:13 |
| lifeless | bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/1346424 | 19:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1346424 in tripleo "Baremetal node id not supplied to driver" [Critical,In progress] | 19:13 |
| * dprince uncloaks for a bit | 19:13 | |
| lifeless | dprince: ah, you've toggled it to fix-committed | 19:14 |
| lifeless | dprince: theres no further action needed in tripleo right? as can close our task ? | 19:14 |
| dprince | lifeless: yeah, we shouldn't see that anymore | 19:14 |
| lifeless | ok - if you could close that off, thanks! | 19:15 |
| lifeless | we need to ping GheRivero about https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1316985 - its not clear to me what remains to fix it | 19:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316985 in tripleo "set -eu may spuriously break dkms module" [Critical,In progress] | 19:15 |
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| lifeless | #action lifeless to ping GheRivero about https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1316985 - its not clear to me what remains to fix it | 19:16 |
| lifeless | ok, thats all criticals discussed | 19:17 |
| lifeless | any other bug subject matter? | 19:17 |
| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:18 | |
| lifeless | I shudder to think | 19:18 |
| lifeless | #info There's a new dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 19:18 |
| lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:18 |
| lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:18 |
| tchaypo | 3rd quartile was 15.5 last week | 19:18 |
| lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:18 |
| lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:19 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 11 days, 16 hours, 20 minutes | 19:19 |
| lifeless | 1st quartile wait time: 1 days, 10 hours, 27 minutes | 19:19 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 7 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes | 19:19 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 18 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes | 19:19 |
| lifeless | I know I haven't been pulling my weight | 19:19 |
| lifeless | I was horrrrridly sick though, and really am only solidly better yesterday and today. So I'm going to be going on a splurge. | 19:19 |
| bnemec | CI issues weren't helping things either. | 19:19 |
| tchaypo | Average hasn't changed since last week, neither had median. I still think we're being dragged out by a long tail of really old things | 19:20 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:20 |
| lifeless | there's also a possibility the stats don't show what we want them to show | 19:20 |
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| lifeless | I propose that we have a discussion about this particular metric on the list | 19:20 |
| lifeless | and decide what we want to actually measure, and then we can fix the code. | 19:20 |
| tchaypo | I looked at the 30/90 day stats last time; in each there were about 14 people who were managing 3/day, so it doesn't look to me like its a problem with cores slacking off | 19:21 |
| lifeless | e.g. should we include time the review sat there with a -1 and no reply from the author or should we discount that in terms of aging | 19:21 |
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| bnemec | New changes in the last 30 days: 372 (12.4/day) | 19:22 |
| bnemec | That's tough to keep up with. | 19:22 |
| lifeless | 14*3=42 | 19:22 |
| bnemec | 25 core reviews per day to merge those, assuming no changes are needed. | 19:22 |
| bnemec | (which isn't true of course) | 19:22 |
| lifeless | its about 50% of the review count being delivered | 19:22 |
| * greghaynes was a bit afk last week but is back now | 19:23 | |
| gfidente | bnemec, changes is for actual changes in gerrit or for patchsets? | 19:23 |
| tchaypo | The long tail has lots of reviews that have no negative reviews but aren't landing | 19:23 |
| bnemec | It's worse than that though because reviewstats doesn't count weekends like we do. | 19:23 |
| lifeless | yeah | 19:23 |
| lifeless | so there are lots of changes | 19:23 |
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| greghaynes | weekends? whats that? | 19:23 |
| lifeless | a high count new per day | 19:23 |
| lifeless | so - we want weekends counted | 19:24 |
| lifeless | or at least a 2/7 discount on the stats | 19:24 |
| greghaynes | I noticed reviewstats has bugs with matches that return from abandonment or WIP too | 19:24 |
| greghaynes | which really makes the tail end stats not accurate | 19:24 |
| greghaynes | s/matches/patches | 19:24 |
| lifeless | ok so I'm proposing that we a) discuss that set of things on the list, b) fix it | 19:24 |
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| greghaynes | +1 | 19:24 |
| jdob | +1 | 19:24 |
| bnemec | +1 | 19:25 |
| tchaypo | +1 | 19:25 |
| lifeless | do we have a volunteer to start the discussion ?[6~ | 19:25 |
| tchaypo | I can do that | 19:25 |
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| lifeless | #action tchaypo to start reviewstats metric-bug-discussion on -dev list. | 19:25 |
| lifeless | ok, the other reviews thing we need to discuss | 19:25 |
| lifeless | is spec approvals | 19:25 |
| tchaypo | I think all we need to do is repeat the things we mentioned here and ask if people have ideas about what we should measure | 19:26 |
| slagle | lifeless: i didn't see any feedback on my mail or wiki page | 19:26 |
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| slagle | i guess everyone was happy with it ;) | 19:27 |
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| greghaynes | slagle: canhas #info on wiki page | 19:27 |
| greghaynes | or #link | 19:27 |
| slagle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/SpecReviews | 19:27 |
| greghaynes | or however we do that ;) | 19:27 |
| jdob | slagle: ah crud, I meant to go back and reply to that | 19:27 |
| slagle | slackers | 19:27 |
| lifeless | so the thing I've been doing | 19:27 |
| lifeless | that isn't in that wiki page | 19:27 |
| lifeless | and which caused some concern when I did it to a couple of open specs | 19:28 |
| lifeless | is to look at our concurrent WIP | 19:28 |
| lifeless | there is a great discussion happening at the moment in the nova/wider openstack context about that | 19:28 |
| lifeless | e.g. the slots proposal | 19:28 |
| lifeless | I've been working under that basic mindset this whole time :) | 19:29 |
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| tchaypo | I like the slots proposal for its clarity about what is currently being worked on vs what is pie-in-the-sky | 19:29 |
| dprince | lifeless: we have a fraction of the number of specs they do though | 19:29 |
| lifeless | dprince: and a fraction of the reviewers, developers etc | 19:29 |
| bnemec | And yet we're still way behind. :-) | 19:29 |
| tchaypo | But to me part of the rationale seems to be being limited by what they can fit into a release cycle | 19:29 |
| dprince | lifeless: also, we have some specs which are pretty much implemented, (and the specs aren't approved) | 19:29 |
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| tchaypo | Afaik we don't follow a release cycle | 19:29 |
| slagle | tchaypo: that is the main thing for me | 19:30 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: we're not part of the integrated release. Thats slightly different. | 19:30 |
| slagle | i'm hesitant to tie ourselves to the integrated release cycle, since we aren't part of it | 19:30 |
| slagle | using a deadline for specs, etc | 19:30 |
| lifeless | slagle: we're tied to it already though via the symmetric gating around things like dib | 19:30 |
| slagle | obviously there are dependencies, so we must be cognizant of those types of changes | 19:31 |
| lifeless | slagle: and our backwards compat story is phrased in terms of releases and support | 19:31 |
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| lifeless | anyhow, I tink the release cycle aspect is a distraction: the thing I've been doing isn't about release cycles, its about WIP | 19:31 |
| lifeless | what we're focusing on | 19:31 |
| lifeless | thinking out loud | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | regardless of being tied to a cycle i think it's still good to be able to distinguish between things being actively developed and things we're floating for future work, which i think is what lifeless means | 19:32 |
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| lifeless | so the heart of it is probably what those things /mean/ in an open allocation environment | 19:33 |
| slagle | i suspect most folks are actively developing on their specs...whether they are approved or not | 19:33 |
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| lifeless | what does 'future work' mean when someone feels that that thing is the most important thing to them | 19:33 |
| dprince | lifeless: trying to gauge things on some sort of WIP metric can be faulty though. I know myself for instance that many things come out of momentum (working in a specific area). If I like go write specs for all these things and check back with the group to see how our WIP is doing it'll just be a lost cause | 19:33 |
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| dprince | lifeless: it is too controlling to view things like that IMO | 19:34 |
| lifeless | dprince: yeah, so the idea of kanban was to not control, but channel - make it really clear what our dependencies are to deliver big ticket things like 'ha' | 19:34 |
| dprince | lifeless: they way I see it... if you don't want to approve a spec, then fine. Don't. But don't hold one up just because you think your angle on WIP is key or something | 19:35 |
| lifeless | dprince: and separate out that meta-planning stuff from design and code etc | 19:35 |
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| lifeless | I'm not trying to hold onto the reigns or anything here | 19:36 |
| lifeless | The goal of opening up spec +A to everyone was to get consensus on what that +A means | 19:36 |
| lifeless | this is something I have been doing, so the question is do we keep doing it as a group | 19:37 |
| lifeless | or is it something we want to stop doing? | 19:37 |
| slagle | i don't know how you're measuring WIP | 19:37 |
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| lifeless | Do we see value in trying to keep the number of concurrent things we're pushing on at once contained | 19:37 |
| tchaypo | My memory is that what we discussed at the mid-cycle was around cores who +2 a spec committing to at least reviewing related patches; it sounds to me as though if we have enough cores giving +2 to a spec (and a majority giving at least +1) it | 19:38 |
| dprince | lifeless: to me it doesn't always mean the same thing. It depends on the subject matter... which is why I see the all of this as a guide | 19:38 |
| slagle | i have a hard time seeing how we could measure that accurately | 19:38 |
| tchaypo | s s ready for a +a | 19:38 |
| lifeless | slagle: indeed - so the openstack way for doing that in other projects is to say 'if its not a bugfix and its not shallow, you need a spec' - and then limit the number of specs | 19:38 |
| lifeless | slagle: I don't particularly like that | 19:39 |
| slagle | lifeless: well, i think that's under quite a bit of disucssion still :) | 19:39 |
| slagle | i don't think there's an "openstack way" yet | 19:39 |
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| lifeless | slagle: indeed! but a variation of it has been in place for years | 19:39 |
| lifeless | slagle: back with blueprints, nova was refusing to approve blueprints without sponsors, for instance | 19:39 |
| lifeless | slagle: and would still over-commit by a huge number - approved but not landing | 19:40 |
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| slagle | sure | 19:40 |
| lifeless | personally, what I want is for the things I put in my platform | 19:40 |
| lifeless | HA and CI | 19:40 |
| lifeless | to get concierge service | 19:40 |
| lifeless | and everything else can come in as it wans :) | 19:40 |
| lifeless | ^ full disclosure! | 19:40 |
| lifeless | oh and update | 19:41 |
| * lifeless has a terrible memory sometimes | 19:41 | |
| slagle | shall we codify on the wiki page that +2 to a spec means you're willing to review the patches? | 19:41 |
| slagle | i already kind of added that at the end | 19:41 |
| dprince | The fact that things are important should drive this. Sure. If things are important people will show interest and +2 | 19:41 |
| slagle | but didn't draw a hard distinction between +1 and +2 | 19:41 |
| lifeless | dprince: one aspect there is surfacing the availability of patches that are important | 19:42 |
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| tchaypo | are we proposing to do something similar wrt not landing patches unless they're bugfix/shallow/tied-to-a-spec? | 19:42 |
| lifeless | dprince: so that folk can see them. THere's a project manager for tripleo @ HP now and heling them see what we're up to us a full time job :/ | 19:42 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: I'm not proposing that | 19:43 |
| dprince | lifeless: the way I see it any given patch may be important, or critical | 19:43 |
| dprince | lifeless: I don't need a manager to tell me that | 19:43 |
| lifeless | dprince: of course not :) | 19:43 |
| dprince | lifeless: and if it is associated with a SPEC that helps me understand context that is great | 19:43 |
| lifeless | dprince: what I mean is if there are 200 open patches, how do I find the HA ones, or the CI ones, or the update ones | 19:43 |
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| dprince | lifeless: but it likely won't change my oppinion about the importance much, maybe a little, but not much | 19:44 |
| lifeless | dprince: after I've done my 3 oldest, how do I pickup the ones that I want to accelerate | 19:44 |
| dprince | lifeless: so FWIW I wrote reviewday for this (to rank things) | 19:44 |
| lifeless | dprince: (and replace the themese there with whatever you find compelling) | 19:44 |
| gfidente | lifeless, I thought that would happen after a spec was approved | 19:44 |
| dprince | lifeless: so I do care about things, but there are always trump cards | 19:44 |
| gfidente | lifeless, which is why, overall, I think we urge reviews of the specs | 19:45 |
| slagle | if you link to the bp in the commit message won't you see all the patches on the bp itself? | 19:45 |
| bnemec | slagle: +1 | 19:45 |
| slagle | maybe we need a top level bp for HA, etc, if we don't already have one | 19:45 |
| gfidente | slagle, yeah that's what I had in mind | 19:45 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:46 |
| dprince | slagle: yes, you will | 19:46 |
| gfidente | but isn't that subordinated to the spec being approves? | 19:46 |
| gfidente | what would the point of a bp linking submissions related to a spec which isn't approved? | 19:46 |
| lifeless | so I propose that +2 on a spec is a commitment to review it over-and-above the core review responsibilities | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | if its not important enough for a reviewer to do that thats a pretty strong signal | 19:47 |
| dprince | lifeless: +1, I thought we already agreed to that at the meetup | 19:47 |
| slagle | yea, sounds fine to me | 19:47 |
| bnemec | +1 | 19:47 |
| lifeless | dprince: it wasn't clear whether it was part-of-responsibility, or additive, I'm proposing we make it clearly additive | 19:47 |
| lifeless | and separately I think we need to make surfacing reviews-for-themes a lot better | 19:47 |
| lifeless | but that doesn't need to hold up this | 19:47 |
| lifeless | ok - this needs a broad vote I think, I'll table it on the -dev list | 19:48 |
| tchaypo | If linking to the BP is enough to make it show up there, I think we just need to start landing specs | 19:48 |
| lifeless | #action lifeless to table spec approval on the dev list | 19:48 |
| tchaypo | right now, if I'm understanding, we're not getting +as and hence don't get the BPs craeted | 19:48 |
| tchaypo | alternatively, my prposoal to create the BP as soon as the spec is created might make them easier to find even while the spec is WIP | 19:49 |
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| lifeless | give it a couple days and if there is still a majority in favor its live | 19:49 |
| gfidente | tchaypo, +1 I'm stuck there, despite surfacing reviews being around | 19:49 |
| jdob | i thought the two could co-exist; my BPs and spec reviews were both out at the same time, I didnt delay the BP | 19:49 |
| * bnemec notes that most people here were in favor of creating the blueprints up front | 19:49 | |
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| lifeless | jdob: I have a personal fear of blueprint hell | 19:49 |
| lifeless | but most folk are in the team in LP to let them garden blueprints | 19:49 |
| lifeless | so please do | 19:49 |
| jdob | is that a different ring from spec limbo hell? :) | 19:50 |
| lifeless | if you can't, I'll HAPPILY fix that | 19:50 |
| lifeless | jdob: yeah, specs can be fixed with git and gerritt :)( | 19:50 |
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| jdob | fair enough | 19:50 |
| tchaypo | I think that most people don't plan to fill the BP with content until the spec lands | 19:50 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:50 |
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| tchaypo | but just having it up and saying "WIP, see review" will be enough to let us track related patches | 19:50 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: the bp shouldn't have lots of content - the spec has it | 19:50 |
| lifeless | #topic projects needing releases | 19:50 |
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| lifeless | do we have a wolunteer ? | 19:51 |
| tchaypo | and then it doesn't need to be touched until the spec lands - and if it doesn't need any real content bar a pointer to the spec, maybe not even then | 19:51 |
| tchaypo | #info I'd like to thank marios for vounteering to do this for the first time last week | 19:51 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: to do what? | 19:51 |
| tchaypo | the releases | 19:51 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: cool | 19:51 |
| tchaypo | it was his first time, and nothing seems to have blown up.. | 19:52 |
| lifeless | marios: up for doing it again ? | 19:52 |
| jdob | i believe he's sleeping right now | 19:52 |
| lifeless | ah | 19:52 |
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| jdob | so, that's a yes, clearly | 19:52 |
| slagle | i can do it | 19:52 |
| gfidente | please, just to make it more obvious to me | 19:52 |
| lifeless | awesome, thanks | 19:52 |
| lifeless | #action slagle to release the world | 19:52 |
| slagle | i've been forcing others to do it the last few times :) | 19:52 |
| gfidente | we're suggesting to create the BP even if the spec isn't reviewed | 19:52 |
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| jdob | thanks slagle, I have a super busy week and vacation next week, it was gonna be rough to fit it in this week | 19:52 |
| gfidente | we're okay with submissions tied to the BP | 19:53 |
| gfidente | yet we don't have real expectations (time constraints) on the spec being approved? | 19:53 |
| lifeless | BPs without an approved spec are rejected though | 19:53 |
| gfidente | seems like contradicting to e | 19:53 |
| gfidente | okay so we're back to the original issue | 19:53 |
| lifeless | but as long as there's a bunch of folk doing that, I'm happy ;) | 19:53 |
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| lifeless | basically this aspect is a mess - and we're going to be out of time | 19:54 |
| lifeless | so I think we have to shelve the fine tuning of bp<->spec to next week, ok? | 19:54 |
| lifeless | #topic CD cloud status | 19:54 |
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| tchaypo | or take it to the list? | 19:54 |
| tchaypo | #info work is progressing (slowly) on hp2 - hopefully faster today as I'm avoiding codeine in favour of being able to think | 19:54 |
| lifeless | hp1 is being stabilised at the moment, we're finding lots of little glitches e.g. in ironic, ha etc. | 19:55 |
| lifeless | #info hp1 is being stabilised at the moment, we're finding lots of little glitches e.g. in ironic, ha etc. | 19:55 |
| lifeless | #info hp2 is being brought up by tchaypo and Ng (and one hp1 is up, lifeless) | 19:55 |
| lifeless | dprince: rh1 is fine, right? | 19:55 |
| lifeless | dprince: I haven't seen any firedrills for it | 19:55 |
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| dprince | lifeless: rh1 is a go | 19:56 |
| * tchaypo cuddles dependeable trusty rh1 | 19:56 | |
| lifeless | #info rh1 is good | 19:56 |
| lifeless | #topic CI | 19:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:56 | |
| lifeless | CI has been a bit fragile but is ok atm | 19:56 |
| dprince | lifeless: backtracking a bit: both Nova core and TripleO core both have 22 members. | 19:56 |
| * dprince may not always count correctly | 19:57 | |
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| dprince | anyways, close enough | 19:57 |
| lifeless | anything else on CI? capacity etc will be future when hp1 is back | 19:57 |
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| bnemec | I don't think we're hurting on capacity at this point. | 19:57 |
| bnemec | It's mostly just heisenbugs. | 19:57 |
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| lifeless | maybe we should add some more of the jobs? | 19:57 |
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| lifeless | (really rushing) | 19:58 |
| lifeless | #topic tuskar | 19:58 |
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| lifeless | anything for this^ ? | 19:58 |
| jdob | not from my end | 19:58 |
| lifeless | #topic specs | 19:58 |
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| dprince | lifeless: I'd prefer to hold the line | 19:58 |
| lifeless | Any specs to discuss? | 19:58 |
| dprince | lifeless: some level of capacitiy is appreciated I think | 19:58 |
| dprince | a buffer | 19:58 |
| lifeless | dprince: ack, we need better stats on the buffer size | 19:58 |
| lifeless | dprince: rather than 'oops, we passed it' | 19:58 |
| bnemec | Also, more jobs = more bugs | 19:58 |
| gfidente | lifeless, yeah well in relation to HA there's the cinder stuff | 19:59 |
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| lifeless | gfidente: you have 30s | 19:59 |
| gfidente | I have surfacing submissions too, yet not tied to any BP | 19:59 |
| gfidente | so feedback over both surfacing submissions AND the spec are appreciated | 19:59 |
| gfidente | it's definitely an important problem to solve in an HA scenario | 19:59 |
| gfidente | unless we expect volumes to disappear :P | 19:59 |
| lifeless | surfacing submissions? | 20:00 |
| lifeless | and there's the bell... thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| ccrouch | #link https://review.openstack.org/101237 Introduce support for Cinder HA via shared storage | 20:00 |
| gfidente | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113300/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112051/ | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 12 20:00:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-08-12-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-08-12-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-08-12-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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| lifeless | lets -> #tripleo for any loose ends | 20:01 |
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| tchaypo | #info Last week's meeting notes got misfiled under http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo_weekly/ - I'll ping infra to see if we can get them moved | 20:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 12 22:01:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:01 |
| thomasem | o/ | 22:01 |
| funzo | o/ | 22:01 |
| sew | o/ | 22:01 |
| apmelton | o/ | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:01 | |
| apmelton | Andrew Melton | 22:01 |
| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 22:02 |
| sew | Steven Wilson | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:02 |
| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 22:02 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Our Agenda | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:02 |
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| adrian_otto | first, I am back from vacation, taking up my full load of duties again | 22:03 |
| thomasem | Welcome back! | 22:03 |
| mtesauro | Matt Tesauro (late to roll call) | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | erw sends his regrets, he will not be able to attend with us today. | 22:03 |
| thomasem | Ah | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | I am working on the Containers spec | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | making ascii flowcharts is really time consuming. I was hoping to have a draft for us to discuss today. | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | but soon | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements from members of the team? | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, besides the high level spec that I have promised to deliver this week, have any other spec work products been produced? | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | I think we were aiming to make one for the agent, and something for the API for the containers service | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | I could roll that into mine, I suppose | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | the agent will need its own spec | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | did we make any action items last week? | 22:06 |
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| thomasem | I started a spec for that, let me find a link. Unfortunately, I do not have time given other priorities for my project to work on it at this time. | 22:07 |
| thomasem | the agent | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | oh yeah, last week the bot crashed | 22:07 |
| thomasem | ah | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | so we don't have minutes from that | 22:07 |
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| adrian_otto | we have like the first 10-15 minutes or something of logs and that's it | 22:07 |
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| adrian_otto | thomasem: thanks for staring in | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | maybe we can show what you have so far as a WIP | 22:08 |
| thomasem | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-container-service-agent | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | and you can revisit it when some time frees up, or another contributor can work on it | 22:08 |
| Slower | oh sorry .. o/ | 22:09 |
| thomasem | adrian_otto ^^ that's what I started with before we wandered off to other topics while in the room. | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | that's a good idea. I can paste what I have so far into an etherpad | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | ok, good, thanks thomasem | 22:10 |
| thomasem | Sure thing! | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Discuss Specs for OpenStack Containers Service | 22:10 |
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| adrian_otto | so I will go copy what I have into a new etherpad for you to see and provide guidance about | 22:10 |
| dguryanov|2 | I'm sorry, I've just joined, Adrian, where can I find your spec? | 22:11 |
| thomasem | Sounds good to me | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-containers-service | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-containers-service WIP of Containers Service Spec | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | while I paste more into that you can have a look | 22:12 |
| dguryanov|2 | Thanks | 22:13 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, that's all in there | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | only the top couple of sections have my work in therm | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | feel free to edit there if you like | 22:16 |
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| thomasem | Yes, anyone feel free to pick up that container service agent spec. No idea when I'll get time to work on it. | 22:18 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so would anyone like to pledge some time to help advance these documents to the point where we can submit them for review? | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | I'm happy to make a rough cut at each, and erw has indicated his interest as well. | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | I want to be sure that we have a well balanced approach that satisfies a majority of the container use cases for openstack end users | 22:19 |
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| apmelton | I think until our team meets are internal goals with our current project, it's going to be very hard for us to commit | 22:20 |
| Slower | adrian_otto: we're trying to get this in for kilo? | 22:20 |
| thomasem | yup | 22:20 |
| apmelton | our* | 22:20 |
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| adrian_otto | Slower: yes | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: ok, I understand | 22:20 |
| Slower | seems ambitious | 22:20 |
| Slower | but may as well try | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | Field of Dreams. | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | if you spec it… | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | anyway I think that once the wider Nova community is looped in, we will not struggle to resource the dev work | 22:21 |
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| adrian_otto | and I don't mind keeping the team that makes the spec documents small, as that's rather efficient. | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | I do want you all to feel that your input is welcomed and encouraged, and appreciated. | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | so I will keep the following as a standing Agenda item: | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Status on Proposal Process | 22:23 |
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| adrian_otto | the current status is that spec documents are WIP, in etherpads, and once reasonably complete will be submitted for review. | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | next week I hope to have links to Gerrit reviews | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | last week we touched on the following topic, and concluded that some work may be needed within Nova… | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Discuss how to set resource limits (ulimits) on containers | 22:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss how to set resource limits (ulimits) on containers (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:25 | |
| adrian_otto | I suggest we revisit that dicussion again today. | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | *discussion | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | who can help me restate the problem? | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | ulimits will need to be controlled by cloud operators | 22:26 |
| dguryanov|2 | in openvz we have user beancounters for that :) | 22:26 |
| sew | we need a way to define limits like open files using flavors | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | so having them attached to flavors seems to make sense | 22:26 |
| dguryanov|2 | I far as I know, you can specify any fields in flavors | 22:26 |
| apmelton | extra-specs seem to be the way libvirt has handled cpu quotas | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | once a limit is set, and you are in the shell context of the limited environment, you can't increase the limit | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | so we want to identify options for increasing the limits before the shell context is created | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | did I get that right? | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | thanks apmelton. I'm not yet familiar with extra-specs. Can you explain that to me, please? | 22:28 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: it's basically just metadata for flavors | 22:28 |
| apmelton | key/value pairs | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that's simple enough | 22:28 |
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| apmelton | sew, do you remember the exact issue that was discussed last week? | 22:29 |
| thomasem | It was basically where the topic came from | 22:29 |
| apmelton | was it that libvirt didn't natively support it with lxc? | 22:29 |
| thomasem | it wasn't supported in libvirt without the patch we now hold | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | when the VM is created, and the Agent started inside it, it is confined by whatever limits were in place when it started. | 22:29 |
| thomasem | And we determined that on that front we'll probably want to chat with the libvirt folks about how to get that functionality upstream | 22:29 |
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| sew | right, we needed to patch libvirt to directly support open file limits based on an optional xml tag in the definition | 22:30 |
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| thomasem | Furthermore, yep, we discussed using flavors to determine | 22:30 |
| thomasem | And so, I think all that remains is handling that extra metadata on the flavor, afaict. Though I haven't looked into what all's involved there. | 22:31 |
| thomasem | in terms of getting that working, anyway | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | I think erw raised a concern that there was at least one scheduler filter that may choke in the event that arbitrary metadata is defined on a flavor | 22:31 |
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| thomasem | Oh, I vaguely remember that. Maybe he could speak more to that next Tuesday?? | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | I remember making a remark that we might need to patch any scheduler filters that are limited in that way | 22:32 |
| thomasem | ah | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | sure, we can revisit this next time as well | 22:32 |
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| thomasem | I think in the meantime rcleere was trying to get ahold of danpb to discuss upstreaming the Libvirt functionality. | 22:33 |
| thomasem | So, maybe we'll have some update on that front as well. | 22:33 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, how would you like to list this for a follow up? | 22:34 |
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| adrian_otto | as an action item, as listed agenda topic? neither? | 22:34 |
| thomasem | I'll add an agenda item if we have an update. | 22:34 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, cool, thanks. | 22:34 |
| thomasem | otherwise, no need to discuss it further | 22:34 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, that brings us to the end of our prepared agenda for today | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open DIscussion | 22:35 |
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| adrian_otto | any further topics to cover, or should we end a bit early today? | 22:36 |
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| thomasem | Probably end early. Several things in flight; should have more to talk about next Tuesday along with more attendance. | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | anyone else who would like to be recorded in attendance today, this is the time to chime in with a wave | 22:37 |
| Slower | I guess no work has begun on the new container service? | 22:38 |
| Slower | no repos yet? | 22:38 |
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| adrian_otto | Slower: correct, not yet | 22:38 |
| Slower | ok | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | Michael Still reached out to me about this by email | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | and we will work together this week to sort out how best to start this | 22:38 |
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| adrian_otto | at the midcycle we talked about using Stackforge, but it's possible we might just put another repo in under the compute program | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | and skip that step, much like we did with Cielometer. | 22:39 |
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| adrian_otto | did any of you have a preference? | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | we will also want to select an initial core team, so if you have an interest in that, please contact me about it | 22:40 |
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| Slower | are we going to have a meetup in france? | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | ideally we get a mix of subject matter experts, and nova cores | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | Slower: yes, some of the design summit agenda for Nova will be allocated for this. | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | any suggestions for what to put into a few session topics? | 22:42 |
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| adrian_otto | I thought it might be good to re-propose the high level concept like we did at the Midcycle | 22:42 |
| adrian_otto | so that a wider audience can grok what's coming | 22:43 |
| Slower | that sounds good to me | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | another one for discussing the design of the agent | 22:43 |
| Slower | especially since I missed the midcycle | 22:43 |
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| thomasem | transport mechanism design | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | Slower, did you look at this: | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/5/51/Containers_Proposal.pdf Containers Proposal from Nova Midcycle Meetup | 22:45 |
| Slower | adrian_otto: I did thanks | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | thomasem: yes, I'll encourage you to propose that as a summit session | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | as soon as that opens. That usually happens about a month before the summit | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | so probably in a few more weeks | 22:46 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, anything else before we wrap up? | 22:46 |
| sew | guess i'd like to see the design goals restated a bit more prominently in whatever proposal is given in france | 22:46 |
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| adrian_otto | sew, that's a great suggestion. I'll do my best on that for you. | 22:47 |
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| sew | thx adrian_otto | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | ok, see you all next Tue Aug 19 at 1600 UTC | 22:48 |
| thomasem | yep yep, take it easy! | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | thanks! | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 22:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 12 22:48:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-08-12-22.01.html | 22:48 |
| apmelton | take care! | 22:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-08-12-22.01.txt | 22:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-08-12-22.01.log.html | 22:48 |
| mtesauro | Cheers! | 22:49 |
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