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| nikhil___ | o/ | 13:59 |
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| arnaud__ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 14 14:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is arnaud__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| ativelkov | oo/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil___ | \o | 14:00 |
| gokrokve | o/ | 14:00 |
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| arnaud__ | here is the agenda | 14:01 |
| arnaud__ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| arnaud__ | before starting with the agenda, I would like to bring up what we have scheduled for Juno-3 in launchpad | 14:01 |
| arnaud__ | I learned this week that a spec approved doesn't get automatically its LP blueprint equivalent (there is a script to do it), but it's manual process, and it doesn't set the priority | 14:02 |
| arnaud__ | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/juno-3 | 14:03 |
| gokrokve | Can we also add Murano adoption to discussion? | 14:03 |
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| arnaud__ | please gokrokve add it do the agenda | 14:03 |
| xianghuihui | hello~ | 14:03 |
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| arnaud__ | I think we will have a lot of time | 14:03 |
| arnaud__ | to discuss about it | 14:03 |
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| xianghuihui | this is my first time to join glance meeting, I'd like to know if I can discuss a patch in this meeting? | 14:04 |
| arnaud__ | yes, please xianghuihui either add it to the agenda, if it's a specific problem, if you need review, please find til the end for the open discussion | 14:04 |
| arnaud__ | s/find/wait | 14:05 |
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| xianghuihui | arnaud__, thank you : ) | 14:05 |
| arnaud__ | so, for juno-3, we have 3 blueprints | 14:05 |
| * xianghuihui is looking at agenda | 14:05 | |
| arnaud__ | first thing is we do not have a bp for artifacts | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | arnaud__: i thought some tasks stuff was supposed to land also in juno-3? | 14:05 |
| arnaud__ | good point rosmaita | 14:06 |
| arnaud__ | nikhil___, I know there is a bp somewhere for tasks | 14:06 |
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| nikhil___ | yes | 14:06 |
| arnaud__ | I think we might want to target it for j-3 | 14:06 |
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| nikhil___ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/async-glance-workers | 14:07 |
| nikhil___ | k | 14:07 |
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| arnaud__ | ok cool thanks | 14:07 |
| nikhil___ | done | 14:07 |
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| arnaud__ | nikhil___, do you feel confident we can make it in j-3? I know you had some problems | 14:08 |
| nikhil___ | we'd be having it for sure | 14:09 |
| arnaud__ | ok sweet | 14:09 |
| nikhil___ | as long as gates work fine :) | 14:09 |
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| arnaud__ | ok, so for j-3, we also have metadefs | 14:10 |
| arnaud__ | so for this one, we need reviews :) | 14:10 |
| TravT | +1 :) | 14:11 |
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| zhiyan | arnaud__: do you think we can make glance.store adoption in j3 as well? | 14:12 |
| arnaud__ | the others (gpfs and restrict download) are smaller and need review too | 14:12 |
| zhiyan | maybe a little tight | 14:12 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan, I have been trying to discuss with flaper87|afk , but every time I try to ping him, he is afk | 14:13 |
| arnaud__ | I know he is updating the patch for the integration | 14:13 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: he will back from vacation at next Tuesday btw | 14:13 |
| arnaud__ | oh ok | 14:13 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: anyway, let's talk this with him next week, let's see if we can make it in j | 14:14 |
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| arnaud__ | yeah, so, I think this one might not make it in j-3 (we will double check when he is back) | 14:14 |
| zhiyan | but I'm a little worried frankly | 14:14 |
| arnaud__ | agreed zhiyan | 14:14 |
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| rosmaita | what are the implications of missing j-3? | 14:14 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: probably we have a long port-back list. | 14:14 |
| arnaud__ | rosmaita, backports | 14:15 |
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| arnaud__ | better to wait for flaper87|afk, but I am a bit concerned for the gpfs backend | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | sorry, i mean if glance.stores does not land in j-3, will it still be able to get into Juno release? | 14:16 |
| zhiyan | rosmaita: no adoption means we need to maintain two trunk, but for glance itself is ok. | 14:16 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan, the question is: do we still accept checkins in the store folder? | 14:16 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: of course, imo | 14:17 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: we just need a correct port-back list for glance.store | 14:17 |
| arnaud__ | agreed | 14:18 |
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| arnaud__ | ok so let's wait for flaper87|afk to be back, unless someone is willing to make progress before he gets back? | 14:19 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 14:19 |
| arnaud__ | any candidates? | 14:19 |
| arnaud__ | :) | 14:19 |
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| zhiyan | arnaud__: flaper87 actually currently needs some review help | 14:19 |
| nikhil___ | for what? | 14:19 |
| zhiyan | the entry point at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103067/ | 14:20 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan, I have in mind https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100636/ | 14:20 |
| zhiyan | adoption nikhil ^ | 14:20 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: yes, but it's not the root | 14:20 |
| nikhil___ | hmm | 14:20 |
| nikhil___ | am not sure if j-3 or any "3" is the best point of time to make such a big switch | 14:21 |
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| zhiyan | nikhil___: but i see, we need a port-back list for glance.store, to make it ready to get finally adoption in glance | 14:21 |
| nikhil___ | taking code out of a project just before freeze adds nervousness | 14:21 |
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| arnaud__ | yep agreed | 14:21 |
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| zhiyan | that's all for me on glance.store topic | 14:22 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: ^ | 14:22 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan, I am going to start building the list | 14:22 |
| nikhil___ | zhiyan: we can have it ready during the freeze and keep a good process for any additions | 14:22 |
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| arnaud__ | we had an action item last week to do that, but unfortunately, didn't have the time | 14:22 |
| arnaud__ | I will start it today | 14:22 |
| nikhil___ | cool | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: may i know which one? | 14:23 |
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| arnaud__ | backport list | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | kk | 14:23 |
| arnaud__ | ok, let's continue with our agenda | 14:23 |
| zhiyan | actually i asked flaper, but not response | 14:23 |
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| arnaud__ | #topic utf8 migrations issue https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109154/ | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "utf8 migrations issue https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109154/ (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:23 | |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan, I think you added this one right? | 14:23 |
| nikhil___ | it's me | 14:24 |
| arnaud__ | oh ok :) | 14:24 |
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| nikhil___ | zhiyan: do you have any specific reason for -2? | 14:24 |
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| zhiyan | actually we discussed and fixed it with a workaround approach in i cycle | 14:24 |
| nikhil___ | seems like we are getting positive responses from other folks | 14:24 |
| nikhil___ | yeah, so that workaround is working fine however the dev/ops are complaining that it's not the best route | 14:24 |
| nikhil___ | am wondering if the discussion in the ML is still a hold up | 14:25 |
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| nikhil___ | do you remember why it was blocked? | 14:25 |
| arnaud__ | because | 14:25 |
| zhiyan | the problems to me for it are two: 1. for data corruption issue; 2. potential un-controlable migration runtime for db_sync | 14:25 |
| arnaud__ | you can modify the charset collation of the tables, but the data are still using the previous charset/collation | 14:25 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: dml sentence could work, but it could make data wrong | 14:26 |
| zhiyan | a discussion log for why we use current workaround way for glance-manage http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-03-18-21.03.log.txt | 14:27 |
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| zhiyan | a example how can we make data corruption | 14:27 |
| zhiyan | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/030404.html | 14:27 |
| zhiyan | (i can't find another one now, it's a little later) | 14:27 |
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| nikhil___ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/030404.html | 14:28 |
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| arnaud__ | zhiyan, I am not sure if another email in the ML would help | 14:28 |
| arnaud__ | what do you think? | 14:29 |
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| zhiyan | so, in short, (let me try my English), before utf8migration, we don't really know what's the data coding in the table, latin charset can contains utf8 data, which based on upperlayer app - galnce. | 14:29 |
| nikhil___ | so, how does the manual changing of the DB help | 14:30 |
| nikhil___ | ? | 14:30 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: i can put some info to that change. | 14:30 |
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| nikhil___ | we may run into corruption there as well and be stuck with fixing the entries manually again, right? | 14:30 |
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| zhiyan | imo, operator to make sure what's the real charset of the data in table. can do the right charset conversion. | 14:31 |
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| nikhil___ | don't know yet, however feels like we can automate this | 14:31 |
| zhiyan | iiuc, he probably need to check if there is anything high bit before execute migration | 14:32 |
| nikhil___ | yeah, and that may take forever to do so | 14:32 |
| arnaud__ | ok, so let me try to reach markwash for this, since this has been discussed at the cross-group sync up | 14:32 |
| nikhil___ | sounds good, thanks | 14:32 |
| zhiyan | nikhil___ actually i did a same MP in i cycle for this issue, but after discussion, for the security of data, we decided to ask operator take this responsibility. | 14:33 |
| nikhil___ | arnaud__: do you know when he would be back? | 14:33 |
| arnaud__ | #action check with markwash the decision taken for utf-8 | 14:33 |
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| arnaud__ | 20 something | 14:33 |
| nikhil___ | zhiyan: yeah, saw your patch and wanted to get clear understanding of whether we have discussed all possible options before taking that route :) | 14:34 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: btw, i will remove that option of db_sync in J cycle https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/etc/glance-api.conf#L566 | 14:34 |
| nikhil___ | thanks arnaud__ | 14:34 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan, sounds good to me | 14:35 |
| zhiyan | nikhil___: technically, we can do anything in migration script, e.g. hight bit checking, but I think we don't feel confidence on the heavy operation on client's real data. | 14:35 |
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| zhiyan | and need to think about the time of execution as well, probably it will take long. | 14:36 |
| nikhil___ | yeah, however am thinking this may not be such a open ended problem after all | 14:36 |
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| nikhil___ | there must be some restrictions/practices which allowed some modifyable data | 14:37 |
| nikhil___ | let's see | 14:37 |
| zhiyan | like to do a good solution as well. but back to the topic, | 14:37 |
| zhiyan | current approach which patch proposed is wrong. | 14:37 |
| nikhil___ | k | 14:38 |
| arnaud__ | agreed zhiyan | 14:38 |
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| arnaud__ | ok, so let's move on | 14:38 |
| arnaud__ | #topic restrict download patch review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98737/ | 14:38 |
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| arnaud__ | which is one of our targeted blueprint for j-3 | 14:39 |
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| arnaud__ | I looked at the patch. Abhishek addressed mark's concerns | 14:39 |
| arnaud__ | I feel the patch is almost in a good shape | 14:40 |
| zhiyan | i think it needs some review from mark. yes | 14:40 |
| arnaud__ | I am confident that this one will make it: I have a couple of comments on the patch, but I didn't publish them yet | 14:41 |
| nikhil___ | interesting, so I'm a little away from the ongoing work | 14:41 |
| arnaud__ | I think it's a pretty cool feature to have | 14:41 |
| nikhil___ | does this do anything other that the restrictions added by nova for booting/resize purposes? | 14:41 |
| nikhil___ | not so much as resize | 14:42 |
| zhiyan | nikhil, i think it's focus on glance only | 14:42 |
| arnaud__ | yes, the idea here is just to be able to restrict the download based on a specific protected metadata | 14:42 |
| zhiyan | booting/resize one might be covered by 'deactivation' stuff? | 14:42 |
| zhiyan | not sure | 14:42 |
| nikhil___ | yeah, this may mean some overlaping policies for nova and glance | 14:43 |
| nikhil___ | will ask for some perpective on this | 14:43 |
| zhiyan | confused, iiuc, image-deactivate is a different approach from this one | 14:43 |
| nikhil___ | nova perspective | 14:43 |
| nikhil___ | not deactivate, just the restriction on download | 14:44 |
| nikhil___ | this could apply to public facing glance though, which makes sense . However, we've export for those purposes | 14:44 |
| zhiyan | we can jsut do restriction on glance side, no? | 14:44 |
| arnaud__ | nikhil___, not sure to get your point about nova? nova is not the only consumer of glance | 14:44 |
| nikhil___ | however, policies on nova apply to end user right? | 14:45 |
| arnaud__ | +1 zhiyan | 14:45 |
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| nikhil___ | so, downloading this image for any other purposes besides nova use makes sense to have such restriction | 14:45 |
| arnaud__ | ok, just to make sure we are on the same line, could you clarify which nova policies you are talking about? :) | 14:46 |
| nikhil___ | need to check, you can add me to action item on this | 14:46 |
| arnaud__ | ok | 14:46 |
| arnaud__ | #action check the nova policies and find overlap with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98737/ | 14:47 |
| arnaud__ | ok, next | 14:47 |
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| arnaud__ | #topic launcher https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110867/ | 14:47 |
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| arnaud__ | I still this one might wait K-1 | 14:49 |
| arnaud__ | s/still/think | 14:49 |
| nikhil___ | +1 | 14:49 |
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| zhiyan | 10 mins left | 14:50 |
| arnaud__ | ok, so unless someone really needs that in J, let's postpone to K | 14:50 |
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| zhiyan | +1 arnaud__ | 14:50 |
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| arnaud__ | nikhil___, would you mind looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112293? | 14:51 |
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| nikhil___ | arnaud__: waiting for you comment on the existing comments on it :) | 14:51 |
| arnaud__ | (I would like to leave a bit of time for the murano folks) :) | 14:51 |
| gokrokve | :-) | 14:52 |
| nikhil___ | that was all there was to that link :) | 14:52 |
| arnaud__ | oh missed it | 14:52 |
| arnaud__ | ok will look at it | 14:52 |
| nikhil___ | np | 14:52 |
| nikhil___ | thanks | 14:52 |
| arnaud__ | ok so let's move to murano | 14:52 |
| arnaud__ | #topic murano | 14:52 |
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| arnaud__ | gokrokve, sorry not much time, but please give an overview | 14:52 |
| gokrokve | As you probably know we decided to split Murano project to several pieces | 14:53 |
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| gokrokve | Once of them is Murano-API which is Application Catalog API | 14:53 |
| gokrokve | We would like to explore an opportunity to join Catalog program and put Murano-API to this program | 14:53 |
| gokrokve | This is not an incubation request | 14:54 |
| gokrokve | This is just a declaration of intensions | 14:54 |
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| zhiyan | gokrokve: what's Catalog program? any link there? thanks. | 14:55 |
| gokrokve | So we would like to have a feedback from Glance team about thais idea. | 14:55 |
| arnaud__ | zhiyan, the catalog program is the future of the image program | 14:55 |
| zhiyan | ah, got it | 14:55 |
| gokrokve | zhiyan: This is Glance which was converted from Images program to Catalog program | 14:55 |
| zhiyan | new mission | 14:55 |
| zhiyan | remember | 14:55 |
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| gokrokve | Yes | 14:55 |
| arnaud__ | the mission has not been changed yet (afaik), but markwash has a patch out for review | 14:55 |
| TravT | gokrokve: do you have link to more info about this murano split? | 14:55 |
| arnaud__ | +1 TravT | 14:56 |
| zhiyan | arnaud__: thanks | 14:56 |
| nikhil___ | so, any other major changes besides the artifacts one? | 14:56 |
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| gokrokve | TravT: no. this is just an idea how we proceed with the community | 14:56 |
| arnaud__ | nikhil___, that would not imply changes to "glance" at the moment | 14:56 |
| gokrokve | We have Catalog API, Orchestration engine and UI | 14:57 |
| arnaud__ | just take the API piece of murano and have it under the catalog program umbrella | 14:57 |
| ativelkov | I thought that the mission was indeed changed | 14:57 |
| gokrokve | We see that UI part goes to Dashboard program | 14:57 |
| gokrokve | Orchesration part goes to Orchestration | 14:57 |
| gokrokve | and Catalog API goes to Catalog program | 14:57 |
| arnaud__ | since it's just a layer on top of artifacts | 14:57 |
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| gokrokve | arnaud__: Yes. theat is exactly what we want | 14:57 |
| nikhil___ | ativelkov: code first get in, else things can be out of sync for cycles together :) | 14:58 |
| zhiyan | why not just use that api as artifacts needed? if they are similar | 14:58 |
| zhiyan | just throw out my quick thinking | 14:58 |
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| arnaud__ | zhiyan, they are not similar, it's another set of APIs | 14:58 |
| arnaud__ | afaik | 14:58 |
| zhiyan | ok | 14:58 |
| nikhil___ | so, anothe "plugin" ? | 14:58 |
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| gokrokve | zhiyan: It will happen eventually. I suspect ost of this API will go to artifact plugin | 14:58 |
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| arnaud__ | ok, so we have 1min left | 14:59 |
| zhiyan | gokrokve: ok, will see it going | 14:59 |
| gokrokve | The reason why we want this is to work closer with the community | 14:59 |
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| arnaud__ | gokrokve, it would be nice if you could bring a document explaining the split | 14:59 |
| gokrokve | We need an approval from Glance team | 14:59 |
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| gokrokve | arnaud__: Ok. I will prepare it | 14:59 |
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| arnaud__ | we will continue the discussion next week (and start with this item) | 15:00 |
| gokrokve | ok | 15:00 |
| zhiyan | gokrokve: do you have a doc to explain that catalog api? | 15:00 |
| arnaud__ | reminder: please review the metadefs stuff. | 15:00 |
| arnaud__ | Thanks!! | 15:00 |
| arnaud__ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 14 15:00:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-08-14-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-08-14-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-08-14-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 14 15:00:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | good morning folks | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| shamail | Hello | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| csaba | hi | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| vvechkanov | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | I'm traveling today so I'm going to try to keep this quick | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #topic incubation update | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | for those of you who weren't aware, the TC considered our incubation request on Tuesday | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-08-12-20.02.log.html | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | start at like UTC 20:22 | 15:02 |
| bswartz | I'll let you all read the logs | 15:02 |
| bswartz | any questions? | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: there is expected second round of consideration? | 15:03 |
| bswartz | yeah they should put us on the agenda again either next week or the week after | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | and give us a decision | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | we'll have to see | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | personally I thought the meeting went well | 15:04 |
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| shamail | It seems like good dialogue. | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | okay we can move on | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #topic Cirros status | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | csaba: what have you got? | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | uh oh did my network connection die? | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | no | 15:06 |
| bswartz | whew | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | okay maybe we'll skip this topic and come back to it | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | Dev status for last week: | 15:08 |
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| vponomaryov | 1) Generic driver is distro-independent now. It does not depend on ubuntu-specific stuff anymore. It uses only two libs: 'exportfs' and 'net' to handle shares, so Generic driver is able to work with any linux image, that has NFS and CIFS preinstalled and its mentioned share handlers. | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/112279 | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | status: merged | 15:08 |
| rraja | bswartz: csaba got disconnected. he's trying to reconnect. | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Cmode driver refactor (removing dependency on 7mode driver) | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/remove-netapp-7mode-driver | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/113596 | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review, testing is in progress | 15:08 |
| csaba | bswartz: I'm back, sorry guys | 15:08 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: how about samba 3.5 vs 4.0 -- any differences that we depend on? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | csaba: we'll come back to your topic | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is related to image | 15:09 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: Is your question about image size change? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I know that 4.0 is supposed to be dramatically smaller, therefore we want it | 15:09 |
| bswartz | but do we depend on anything that changes between the 2 versions? | 15:09 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: I think csaba know more about it | 15:09 |
| bswartz | does anyone know? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I suppose we just need to test it to find out | 15:10 |
| csaba | bswartz: well in case of cirros it is expected to be an easy change | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | it would be ideal if the generic driver was compatible with both samba versions | 15:10 |
| csaba | as buildroot has recipe for samba4 | 15:10 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: I don't think there is incompatible change of configuration | 15:11 |
| csaba | actually different recipe for samba and samba4, I'll have to check if they can deployed at the same time | 15:11 |
| bswartz | no I don't think anyone would deploy both | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | the point is not to force users to use one if they'd rather use the other | 15:11 |
| csaba | well you mean then to have two image flavors? | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | are we finished with status? | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | no the "official" image should eventually use samba4 | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | but I expect admins to roll their own images somewhat frequently | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | yes ty vponomaryov | 15:13 |
| bswartz | #topic cirros update | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | okay csaba | 15:13 |
| csaba | bswartz: thx | 15:13 |
| csaba | so I can just have negative reports, but sharpens the picture a bit.. | 15:14 |
| csaba | we had two progressive assumptions with vponomaryov | 15:14 |
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| csaba | a) the issue is that nfs-utils on cirros image is too old | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #link https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros/issues/9 | 15:14 |
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| csaba | b) the issue is that the kernel version and the nfs-utils version on the image are incompatibble | 15:15 |
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| csaba | (so if b), hypotetycally both up and downgrade can be a way out, with o/c upgrade preferred) | 15:15 |
| bswartz | interesting | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | how did we end up with an old version? | 15:15 |
| csaba | a) is clearly refuted by the fact that the ubuntu image has older nfs-utils than cirros | 15:16 |
| bswartz | can't we use whatever version we want? | 15:16 |
| csaba | so ubuntu has: linux 3.2.0, nfs-utils 1.2.5 | 15:16 |
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| csaba | cirros has: linux 3.11, nfs-utils 1.2.6 | 15:16 |
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| csaba | and actual stable versions are: linux 3.16, nfs-utils 1.3.0, FYI | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I hope to have some time to look into this personally before next week | 15:17 |
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| csaba | so what I checked is cirros with 3.2.0 kernel | 15:17 |
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| csaba | whereby there is just one micro version difference from ubuntu wrt nfs-utils | 15:17 |
| csaba | and that does not work either | 15:18 |
| csaba | which lessens the probability of b) hypothesis working out | 15:18 |
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| csaba | however, upgrading everything is still something that we can and should do | 15:18 |
| bswartz | what makes us think the problem is with the kernel and/or nfsutils? | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: debug showed that the problem is in NFS daemon | 15:19 |
| bswartz | yeah it makes sense -- I just want to know how we're sure | 15:19 |
| csaba | bswartz: weird stuff in dmesg about nfs | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: itis provided by nfs-utils lib in cirros | 15:19 |
| bswartz | oh | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | okay I'll take your word for it until I can try it out on my own | 15:19 |
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| csaba | so what I think has a chance would be hypothesis c) -- uclibc issue | 15:20 |
| bswartz | would more people looking at this help you csaba? | 15:20 |
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| csaba | bswartz: yes of course | 15:20 |
| bswartz | hmmmm | 15:20 |
| csaba | bswartz: I wanted to add a little info about that | 15:20 |
| bswartz | yes uclibc could be a culprit | 15:20 |
| csaba | how to get at it | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | we've tried to compile binaries for cirros before and run into that issue | 15:20 |
| csaba | ie. you don't need openstack environment | 15:20 |
| csaba | just need to fire up the image in say libvirt | 15:21 |
| bswartz | right | 15:21 |
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| csaba | and start nfsd (/etc/init.d/S60nfsd) | 15:21 |
| csaba | and try to mount from host | 15:21 |
| bswartz | csaba: any special requirements to build your image? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | or can I git clone ; make all | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | ? | 15:21 |
| csaba | it's practical to edit the boot options to have dslist=nocloud in kernel cmdline... otherwise you have to wait a cloud-init timeout at boot | 15:22 |
| bswartz | good to know | 15:22 |
| csaba | bswartz: the readme elaborates | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | #link https://github.com/csabahenk/cirros/blob/manila-service-generic/README | 15:22 |
| csaba | basically standard dev enviromentd | 15:22 |
| bswartz | k | 15:23 |
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| csaba | recently I added ruby, which is used in the initrd-trimming srcipt | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | anything else csaba? | 15:23 |
| csaba | (recall cirros' trick to reuse the same image as the rootfs for initrd... I have a ruby script that weeds out things that are not needed in early userspace) | 15:24 |
| csaba | yes | 15:24 |
| csaba | so my vision is to polish the bug reproduction until it can be submitted upsrtream | 15:24 |
| csaba | (buildroot/ uClibc) | 15:24 |
| bswartz | okay awesome | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I'll ping you if I discover anything on my own | 15:25 |
| csaba | which involves syncing up buildroot with upstream and trying nfs-utils 1.3.0 | 15:25 |
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| csaba | (nb. buildroot still has 1.2.6 so it has to be done manually) | 15:25 |
| csaba | however, next week I'm on leave | 15:25 |
| csaba | so I can pick these up the week after | 15:26 |
| bswartz | ah | 15:26 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:26 |
| csaba | (that's all) | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | ok | 15:26 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | anyone have anything? | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: I have something | 15:27 |
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| vponomaryov | yes? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | it seems likely that our dropbox files is NOT getting cached | 15:27 |
| bswartz | and it's simply downloading extremely fast | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I'm going to get together with the infra folks and they are likely to have a way to help us | 15:28 |
| bswartz | they have mirrors and stuff | 15:28 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: great news | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | I've got some names | 15:29 |
| bswartz | and I'll see if I can reach them today/tomorrow | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | anything else? | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | not from me | 15:29 |
| bswartz | yay 30 minute meeting! | 15:29 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:30 |
| deepakcs | bye | 15:30 |
| vvechkanov | bye | 15:30 |
| bswartz | I'll send out more notes when I head from the TC again | 15:30 |
| bswartz | hear* | 15:30 |
| deepakcs | cool | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 14 15:30:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-08-14-15.00.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-08-14-15.00.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-08-14-15.00.log.html | 15:30 |
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| vkozhukalov | hi guys | 15:59 |
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| vkozhukalov | lets start | 16:00 |
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| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 14 16:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
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| vkozhukalov | #chair vkozhukalov | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: vkozhukalov | 16:00 |
| vkozhukalov | agenda as usual | 16:00 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic greetings | 16:00 |
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| mihgen | hi | 16:00 |
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| dpyzhov | hi | 16:01 |
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| mihgen | we were so close to release 5.0.1 .. :( | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | anybody else is here? | 16:01 |
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| akasatkin | hi | 16:01 |
| Tatyanka_Leontov | hi | 16:01 |
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| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:01 |
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| aglarendil | hi | 16:01 |
| xarses | o/ | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic 5.0.1 release status | 16:02 |
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| vkozhukalov | angdraug: around? | 16:02 |
| mihgen | angdraug: I can share what was found MSK day today with 5.0.1 | 16:02 |
| meow-nofer | hi | 16:02 |
| mattymo | hi boys and girls | 16:02 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:02 |
| angdraug | mihgen: please do | 16:02 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: it would be great | 16:03 |
| mihgen | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1353497 | 16:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1353497 in fuel/5.0.x "[Fuel Upgrade] Can't re-deploy environment after upgrade - failed with ceph-deploy --overwrite-conf config pull node-16 returned 1 instead of one of [0]" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:03 |
| mihgen | this bug was closed as incomplete/invalid…. it appeared to be a real issue | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | when you upgrade 5.0 -> 5.0.1, your astute container gets rebuild and you lose all ssh keys of old envs | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | so when you add node to the existing env, astute has to generate new jekeys | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | so your new node is not completely operational when you use compute or ceph roles, which rely on ssh connectivity to other nodes | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | it affects only if you upgrade 5.0 -> 5.0.1, and doesn't if you use directly 5.0.1... | 16:04 |
| mihgen | so fix is committed, but we have to spend 24 more hours to test | 16:05 |
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| mihgen | that is it. Also we need to work on mistakes to improve workflow | 16:05 |
| mihgen | so such issues resolved earlier / treated better | 16:05 |
| angdraug | 24h means we can release tomorrow? or is it next week? | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | we can release tomorrow according to nurla | 16:06 |
| mihgen | nurla: can we? | 16:06 |
| mihgen | it's matter of updated upgrade scripts to preserve keys from old envs when you do upgrade. | 16:06 |
| nurla | i hope we can do it tomorrow | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | so we don't need to respin the whole acceptance cycle | 16:06 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: actually can you fix status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1353497 | 16:07 |
| mihgen | it | 16:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1353497 in fuel/5.0.x "[Fuel Upgrade] Can't re-deploy environment after upgrade - failed with ceph-deploy --overwrite-conf config pull node-16 returned 1 instead of one of [0]" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:07 |
| mihgen | still says Confirmed incorrectly | 16:07 |
| mihgen | while it's actually merged | 16:07 |
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| angdraug | which build is RC2? | 16:07 |
| nurla | yep, we just runs systests and check related issues around bug | 16:07 |
| nurla | migration and adding new nodes to 5.0 envs | 16:07 |
| mihgen | angdraug: #170 | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | expected to be | 16:08 |
| mihgen | angdraug: what's the status on release notes readiness ? | 16:08 |
| nurla | ywe checked Meg's review | 16:08 |
| angdraug | aside from one entry that I've posted a question about (network verification), it's all done | 16:08 |
| angdraug | all I need is team leads to confirm that we didn't miss any important bugs | 16:09 |
| angdraug | after that I'll need 30 mins to 1 hour to go over most recent changes done since yesterday and it will be ready to merge | 16:09 |
| angdraug | bookwar: merges to stable/5.0 still go straight to docs.mirantis.com, right? | 16:09 |
| bookwar | angdraug: yes | 16:10 |
| mihgen | angdraug: ok. So dpyzhov, aglarendil, nurla, you would need to take a look | 16:10 |
| aglarendil | ok | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | Tomas is on vacation, can't see Lukasz around | 16:10 |
| nurla | ok | 16:10 |
| vkozhukalov | do I need to give them an action? | 16:10 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: you too for release notes check | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | vkozhukalov: pls do :) | 16:11 |
| angdraug | also need someone from mos, probably Ruslan | 16:11 |
| nurla | or Dima | 16:11 |
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| rvyalov | ok | 16:11 |
| vkozhukalov | #action rvyalov nurla aglarendil dpyzhov take a look on rc2 | 16:11 |
| vkozhukalov | moving? | 16:11 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic 5.1 CI status | 16:12 |
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| angdraug | action was to review bugs in 5.0.x and confirm nothing important is missing from release notes... | 16:12 |
| mihgen | angdraug: we need to do it for sure | 16:12 |
| mihgen | also, nurla promised to come up with HA issues description in terms of probability | 16:12 |
| angdraug | we had a lot of CI failures with 5.1 recently, what's the current situation? | 16:12 |
| vkozhukalov | #action rvyalov nurla aglarendil dpyzhov to review bugs in 5.0.x and confirm nothing important is missing from release notes | 16:13 |
| mihgen | angdraug: what failures exactly? | 16:13 |
| teran | guys do you mean Fuel CI failures or nightly tests? | 16:13 |
| angdraug | nightlies | 16:13 |
| xarses | mihgen: one or the other bvt fails frequently | 16:13 |
| mihgen | ))) let's provide status of all | 16:13 |
| mihgen | nurla: we need your team to look into sporadical ubuntu BVT failures | 16:14 |
| angdraug | I refuse to make distinction between gerrit triggered jobs and cron triggered jobs when saying "CI" :) | 16:14 |
| mihgen | torrent failures were fixed thanks to teran | 16:14 |
| mihgen | #action nurla to file bug about Ubuntu sporadic failures (BVT) | 16:14 |
| nurla | okay | 16:15 |
| vkozhukalov | #action nurla to file bug about Ubuntu sporadic failures (BVT) | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | aglarendil: if we speak about CI, can you say about astute issues you found? | 16:15 |
| mihgen | which make Fuel CI putting -1 now ? | 16:15 |
| aglarendil | yep | 16:15 |
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| aglarendil | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1356954 | 16:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1356954 in fuel "successful deployment failed by astute" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:15 |
| aglarendil | I found a bug that despite there are no puppet errors | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | astute sets deployment as failed | 16:16 |
| mihgen | how can it affect CI though? | 16:16 |
| mihgen | we use stable astute there, don't we? | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | CI marks good requests with -1 | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | may be there was a floating bug | 16:16 |
| mihgen | do you mean those requests in fuel-library? | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | devops guys are going to update ISO on CI nodes | 16:16 |
| aglarendil | yep, fuel-library ones | 16:16 |
| mihgen | why do we want to update ISO, when did we update it last time? | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | if it was stable, how comes it is not anymore? | 16:17 |
| mihgen | bookwar: ^^^ | 16:17 |
| angdraug | is there a plan to automatically update ISO as soon as new one passes bvts? | 16:17 |
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| bookwar | andreaf: there was a plan | 16:18 |
| bookwar | oops | 16:18 |
| teran | angdraug: ^^^ | 16:18 |
| angdraug | got it ) | 16:18 |
| angdraug | what happened to that plan? | 16:18 |
| bookwar | but now it takes manual work to decide if iso fits fro ci or not | 16:18 |
| angdraug | mihgen: why would we not want to run fuel-library CI on most recent ISO? | 16:19 |
| mihgen | bookwar: so question when did you update last time? | 16:19 |
| bookwar | bvt doesn't check that iso is suitable for ci | 16:19 |
| bookwar | latest iso is 423 | 16:19 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: so astute should not be a reason of failure in theory | 16:19 |
| mihgen | as there is still old version of astute | 16:19 |
| mihgen | ok anyway we need to triage it | 16:20 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: may be it had this bug | 16:20 |
| bookwar | i put info about iso updates on jenkins main page, btw | 16:20 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: I saw one, but could not find it in launchpad | 16:20 |
| mihgen | I think we should move on and someone should take it | 16:20 |
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| vkozhukalov | ok | 16:20 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic 5.1 bugs status | 16:21 |
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| bookwar | mihgen: the diagnostic snapshot in this astute launchpad issue is exactly 423, so iso update might help | 16:21 |
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| angdraug | action for bookwar to update ISO? | 16:21 |
| mihgen | please do not update | 16:21 |
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| mihgen | without proper investigation first | 16:21 |
| angdraug | ok, lets take it to ML | 16:21 |
| vkozhukalov | current topic is 5.1 bugs | 16:22 |
| mihgen | as I say, it was working fine. Now it is not. Nothing changed. Let's find root cause, what still changed | 16:22 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: you go with the status ;) | 16:22 |
| aglarendil | okay | 16:22 |
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| aglarendil | we have not yet reached the status good enough to call Hard Code Freeze | 16:23 |
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| aglarendil | we have a bunch of issues unresolved | 16:23 |
| aglarendil | oslo.messaging bug is not yet completely fixed in 5.1 branch | 16:23 |
| aglarendil | we still have fuel-library fixes on review | 16:23 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: can you comment on oslo.messaging in 5.1 ? | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/856764 | 16:24 |
| angdraug | do we have the fix for 20 nodes bug? python /dev/log? rabbitmq 3.3.5? | 16:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 856764 in oslo.messaging "RabbitMQ connections lack heartbeat or TCP keepalives" [Critical,In progress] | 16:24 |
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| dmitryme | afaik it is not merged | 16:24 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: what do we need to do it? | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | python code was merged | 16:24 |
| aglarendil | we have two fixes on review | 16:25 |
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| aglarendil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112677/ | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | and | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114282/ | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | the former depends on the latter one | 16:25 |
| aglarendil | keystone bug is here: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1340657 | 16:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1340657 in fuel "[library] 'keystone' delays lead to unstable MOS operations" [High,In progress] | 16:26 |
| aglarendil | we are waiting for keystone support | 16:26 |
| aglarendil | puppet part is ready | 16:26 |
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| aglarendil | also we have rsync tuning issue on review | 16:26 |
| aglarendil | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1322577 | 16:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1322577 in fuel/5.0.x "rsync puppet modules partial failure breaks deployment" [High,In progress] | 16:26 |
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| angdraug | mattymo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1355347 should be Fix Committed? | 16:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1355347 in fuel "20 nodes, not all are able to get provisioning info from cobbler" [High,In progress] | 16:27 |
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| mihgen | rabbitmq was mentioned here | 16:28 |
| mihgen | as I know msemenov has it ready to go | 16:28 |
| vkozhukalov | looks like mattymo isn't here | 16:28 |
| aglarendil | mattymo: is here | 16:29 |
| mattymo | sorry I was distracted | 16:29 |
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| angdraug | mattymo: can you confirm that the 20 nodes bug has all the commits that are needed merged? | 16:29 |
| mattymo | it is not fix committted. aglarendil asked us to stall merging this fix to astute until MOS hardening team looked at it | 16:29 |
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| mattymo | I confirm it is good and so does Vladimir Sharshov, but aglarendil blocked the last bit | 16:29 |
| mattymo | for astute | 16:29 |
| angdraug | it was merged an hour ago | 16:29 |
| aglarendil | that's right | 16:29 |
| aglarendil | MOS team should verify it | 16:29 |
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| angdraug | aglarendil: why? | 16:30 |
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| msemenov | rabbitmq update: we built an ISO with update for ubuntu and centos. Now fuel QA is running tests against it | 16:30 |
| msemenov | http://jenkins-product.srt.mirantis.net:8080/view/custom_iso/job/custom_master_iso/31/ | 16:30 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: because MOS team is responsible for this testing | 16:30 |
| angdraug | I thought they were the ones that asked for this patch? | 16:30 |
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| aglarendil | angdraug: nope. it is release feature | 16:30 |
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| mattymo | msemenov, you are from the hardening team. can you please take a look at my mail I sent earlier about this? | 16:31 |
| angdraug | aglarendil: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1355347/comments/8 | 16:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1355347 in fuel "20 nodes, not all are able to get provisioning info from cobbler" [High,In progress] | 16:31 |
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| angdraug | fix confirmed to resolve the issue for the original reporter | 16:32 |
| dmitryme | angdraug, aglarendil re 20 nodes deployment: we will do it eventually (I think soon) for 5.1 | 16:32 |
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| aglarendil | angdraug: I am waiting for sign off from the ones who are responsible | 16:32 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: not from aleksandr_null | 16:32 |
| mihgen | dmitryme is responsible for MOS | 16:32 |
| angdraug | are you saying aleksandr_null is irresponsible? :p | 16:32 |
| msemenov | mattymo, can't found such email from you( can you please resend? | 16:33 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: should we close this bug now? | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | or how do you want to proceed with it? | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | you can open another if you find issues during testing | 16:33 |
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| mihgen | aleksandr_null: are you here? if it's fixed for aleksandr_null , then should be fine to close.. | 16:34 |
| dmitryme | alexander is the original bug filer, if he says it is fixed, I trust him | 16:34 |
| mihgen | Folks, we also have a number of issues, criticals basically, with patching | 16:34 |
| angdraug | I'll recheck with him later today and reopen if it's still a probelm | 16:34 |
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| mihgen | like around 5 were reported by Tatyanka_Leontov today.. | 16:35 |
| angdraug | ouch | 16:35 |
| aglarendil | not five | 16:35 |
| mihgen | nurla: Tatyanka_Leontov do you think we are in really bad status there ? | 16:35 |
| aglarendil | okay, if you want to merge it - just merge | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | what are your feelings on where we are with the feature? | 16:35 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: merge what? | 16:35 |
| aglarendil | merge 20-nodes fix | 16:36 |
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| nurla | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114247/1 | 16:36 |
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| mihgen | aglarendil: 20-nodes fix merged, nurla - it's another bug | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | 20-nodes fixes: https://review.openstack.org/113924, https://review.openstack.org/113920 | 16:37 |
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| aglarendil | there are several issues with 20-nodes | 16:37 |
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| msemenov | mattymo: got it. Actually we in mos-linux don't have even 3 baremetal nodes in the lab (lend it from moscow devops) | 16:38 |
| mihgen | well let's clarify tickets / statuses / patches then. I see that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1355347/ should be closed, as it has merged patches | 16:38 |
| angdraug | can we please move on to status of patching? | 16:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1355347 in fuel "20 nodes, not all are able to get provisioning info from cobbler" [High,In progress] | 16:38 |
| mattymo | still https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113867/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113942/ | 16:38 |
| mattymo | both unmerged | 16:38 |
| vkozhukalov | yes, we still have a lot of stuff to discuss | 16:38 |
| vkozhukalov | moving | 16:38 |
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| mattymo | ok sorry. moving on | 16:38 |
| mihgen | msemenov: you can easily request nodes from fuel-devops folks, teran | 16:38 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic 5.0.2 - taking 5.1 as a base | 16:38 |
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| msemenov | mattymo: in future we will have a bigger lab, but now this process is in conversation state | 16:38 |
| Tatyanka_Leontov | mihgen: patching status can be found here : https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/spreadsheets/d/1njLJt_fO4zSgZf9JskJZ6JitYawObI8p_iEz5FQ9YBA/edit#gid=0 | 16:39 |
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| vkozhukalov | what this topic is about? | 16:39 |
| mihgen | mattymo: oh thanks did not see those. Let's get aleksandr_null and others to review, I think we need those patches | 16:39 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: dmitryme will provide a status on 5.0.2 | 16:40 |
| dmitryme | mihgen, sure, thank you | 16:40 |
| mihgen | Tatyanka_Leontov: share with anyone pls | 16:40 |
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| dmitryme | so, today we checked and found that 5.1 does not have any migrations | 16:40 |
| dmitryme | which means that it could be used as a base for 5.0.2 | 16:40 |
| msemenov | msemenov: ok, I can try to request it from Igor S. But why it's our task instead of fuel-qa team? | 16:40 |
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| mihgen | Tatyanka_Leontov: looks mature :) with many red cells .. :( | 16:41 |
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| dmitryme | the idea is to copy 5.1 to 5.0.2 and so we will have similar OpenStack in 5.0.2 and 5.1 | 16:41 |
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| dmitryme | I would say, almost identical | 16:41 |
| mattymo | msemenov, I think you meant to address mihgen and aglarendil | 16:41 |
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| dmitryme | which is our desire actually | 16:41 |
| msemenov | mattymo: may be I'm not in context | 16:41 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: so this is going to be something between 2014.1.1 & 2014.1.2 ? | 16:42 |
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| dmitryme | ou, and by the way people, I am speaking of OpenStack compoents only, not Fuel | 16:42 |
| dmitryme | mihgen: right | 16:42 |
| mihgen | and delta between 5.1 & 5.0.2 will be as minimal as possible (ideally no delta), right? | 16:42 |
| dmitryme | mihgen: exactly | 16:42 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: excellent. Do we expect to get it done tomorrow? | 16:43 |
| mihgen | and start testing tomorrow I hope? | 16:43 |
| dmitryme | yep, lets do it | 16:43 |
| dmitryme | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1356817 | 16:43 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1356817 in fuel "[OSCI] New branches for MOS 5.0.2" [High,Won't fix] | 16:43 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: what's the status on ^^^ ? | 16:43 |
| dmitryme | I am moving this bug to confirmed meaning OSCI team can proceed | 16:43 |
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| dmitryme | mihgen: it was ‘won’t fix’ so far | 16:44 |
| rvyalov | we waiting approved from MOS team | 16:44 |
| vkozhukalov | 15 minutes and 5 topics | 16:44 |
| dmitryme | meaning we wanted to make sure we want 5.1 in 5.0.2 | 16:44 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: dmitryme is the approval guy | 16:44 |
| dmitryme | rvyalov: I’ve moved it to confirmed | 16:44 |
| vkozhukalov | lets move on | 16:44 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: we will be quick | 16:44 |
| dmitryme | rvyalov: please proceed | 16:44 |
| rvyalov | ok | 16:44 |
| mihgen | thanks dmitryme | 16:44 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Current master Astute issue | 16:45 |
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| dmitryme | thank you guys, I have to go | 16:45 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov discussed actually | 16:45 |
| mihgen | let's move ahead | 16:45 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic 6.0 plans | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | for 6.0, we don't have much time. We have huge thing to do is to consume Juno release and make it reliable being deployed by Fuel | 16:46 |
| mihgen | so idea for 6.0 is to concentrate on Juno, and might be do a few minor features, not related to deployment | 16:47 |
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| mihgen | as any deployment feature would depend on Juno working | 16:47 |
| mihgen | so it will stay on critical path, putting itself under high risk | 16:47 |
| xarses | when are we going to start getting juno packages? | 16:47 |
| xarses | ie from master? | 16:47 |
| mihgen | it started | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov | what about nailgun plugins? and image based provision? | 16:47 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: dmitryme do you guys know about it? | 16:48 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: nailgun plugins is fine, as it doesn't touch deployment | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov | are those supposed to be addressed in 6.0? | 16:48 |
| rvyalov | we building 90% openstack packages from master | 16:48 |
| mihgen | image based provisioning seems to me more risky but should be fine too if we merge only tested things, making sure they work | 16:48 |
| mihgen | something like any neutron plugin, NSX, anything like that sounds to me unrealistic | 16:49 |
| vkozhukalov | the idea is to merge those review requests about image based right after 5.1 and start to test them | 16:49 |
| mihgen | also I think we need to finally put xarses ML2 puppet code | 16:49 |
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| aglarendil | and merge all left upstream puppet modules | 16:49 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: let's build custom iso first, test, and fix all blockers first :) | 16:49 |
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| vkozhukalov | 10 minutes | 16:50 |
| mihgen | If we merge all in one day without proper testing, we gonna end up with mess and sleepless nights | 16:50 |
| mihgen | so let's do things wisely | 16:50 |
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| vkozhukalov | moving? | 16:50 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Still open blueprints on 5.1 | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/test-patches | 16:51 |
| mihgen | Tatyanka_Leontov: it's still deployment? | 16:51 |
| mihgen | or can be closed as Implemented? | 16:51 |
| mihgen | nurla: ^^^ | 16:51 |
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| nurla | closed | 16:52 |
| mihgen | excellent | 16:52 |
| mihgen | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/build-packages-for-openstack-master-rpm | 16:52 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: ^^^ | 16:52 |
| rvyalov | yes , it blueprint in progress | 16:53 |
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| mihgen | when do we expect it finished? | 16:53 |
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| mihgen | is it still good progress?) | 16:53 |
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| rvyalov | yes, eta 21 aug | 16:54 |
| vkozhukalov | any other un-addressed BPs? | 16:54 |
| mihgen | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/vcenter-documentation-update-fuel-5.1 | 16:54 |
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| mihgen | anyone from that area here? | 16:55 |
| mihgen | don't know nick of assignee | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/osci-gerrit-to-dmz | 16:55 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: ^^ | 16:55 |
| mihgen | what about this one? | 16:56 |
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| vkozhukalov | 3 minutes | 16:56 |
| dpyzhov | regarding vcenter documentation I know that it is almost done | 16:56 |
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| rvyalov | yes, new osci gerrit deploy in public. we synced projects from old gerrit | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-web-docs-dev-env-restructure -- christopheraedo, yours | 16:56 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: so it's done? | 16:57 |
| mihgen | or we keep the status | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | we don't have much time left, so while waiting for responses on bps | 16:57 |
| rvyalov | yes its done | 16:57 |
| mihgen | on advanced networking in 6.0 | 16:57 |
| mihgen | frankly I don't think it's doable | 16:57 |
| vkozhukalov | lets move our disscussion to #fuel-dev, we still have two other topics | 16:57 |
| mihgen | but we should address most annoying bugs | 16:57 |
| mihgen | and work on this in parallel track up until 6.1 I think | 16:58 |
| akasatkin | we had a discussion on networking in 6.0 on cross-team syncup yesterday. agenda and results are here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-in-6-0-agenda , https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-us-eu-sync | 16:58 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: ok I'll take a look | 16:58 |
| akasatkin | Open question from agenda is: pluggable networking. It's moved out of 6.0. | 16:58 |
| mihgen | thanks folks | 16:59 |
| mihgen | I think we need to write up | 16:59 |
| mihgen | left questions - please email to openstack-dev | 16:59 |
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| vkozhukalov | thanx everyone | 16:59 |
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| vkozhukalov | closing | 17:00 |
| vkozhukalov | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 14 17:00:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-08-14-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-08-14-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-08-14-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 14 17:00:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | Hey all | 17:01 |
| rlpple | Afternoon | 17:01 |
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| sweston | Greetings! | 17:01 |
| sicarie | Greetings! | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:01 |
| shohel02 | hi | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | So we'll give people a minute to filter in and then get started :D | 17:01 |
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| nkinder | hi all | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, so agenda items? | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | XSS update | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | OSSN Move | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | what elese? | 17:03 |
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| bknudson | I'd like to add a topic to discuss keystone under apache httpd and SELinux | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | gmurphy: thanks again for making the time to join us, I know it's a difficult timeone for you. | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Great | 17:03 |
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| gmurphy | hyakuhei np. | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | ok great | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | gmurphy: you happy to take us through the XSS progress? | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Horizon XSS update | 17:05 |
| gmurphy | sure i can provide an update | 17:05 |
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| gmurphy | so i spent a bit of time this week sifting through the typical things that lead to xss flaws | 17:06 |
| gmurphy | my notes are available here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dashboard_xss_analysis | 17:06 |
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| bknudson | the analysis in the etherpad is great | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | excellent work btw. | 17:06 |
| chair6 | i read through those earlier today, after seeing your post to the mailing list .. very, very useful | 17:06 |
| gmurphy | i think pauls email pretty much sums up what needs to happen tbh | 17:07 |
| shohel02 | definately extensive analysis | 17:07 |
| bknudson | y, but it had to be taken to the analysis phase... | 17:07 |
| bknudson | and find actual places in the code | 17:07 |
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| gmurphy | sure. i think we also had a couple of web app scanners being run too? | 17:08 |
| gmurphy | but i'm not sure of the results of those. | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | So for those here who struggle to keep up with the email lists, what can the OSSG do to help out? | 17:08 |
| nkinder | yeah, paul's e-mail seems like the right way to move towards | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:08 |
| gmurphy | maybe we can also flag things like autoescape off & | safe in hacking rules? | 17:09 |
| gmurphy | i'm not sure where we are at with that? | 17:09 |
| sicarie | hyakuhei - add Bandit update to the agenda? | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Should be easy to catch a bunch of these issues. | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | sicarie: yeah | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | ok so everyone, read the mail thread - it's very interesting! | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks gmurphy | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN move | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: Want to fill us in on the who, where, why? | 17:10 |
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| nkinder | Sure | 17:10 |
| nkinder | The OSSNs have been moved to the security-doc repo (where the security guide lives) | 17:11 |
| nkinder | The old repository will be "going away" this weekend during the Gerrit outage | 17:11 |
| nkinder | going away == moved to openstack-attic | 17:11 |
| nkinder | All of the old content has been moved over, so new notes should be proposed against the new repo. | 17:11 |
| bknudson | the new repo is there already? | 17:11 |
| nkinder | bknudson: yep, link coming... | 17:12 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/security-doc/ | 17:12 |
| nkinder | you beat me... :) | 17:12 |
| bknudson | does it get published already, too? | 17:12 |
| nkinder | bknudson: publishing is manual (same as before) | 17:12 |
| shohel02 | I think i pushed one in between chages | 17:12 |
| nkinder | but, we can now work on auto-publishing | 17:13 |
| nkinder | There was one note in flight (OSSN-0020) whose review I blocked and re-proposed against the new repo | 17:13 |
| bknudson | add it to your watch list in gerrit. | 17:13 |
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| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/projects | 17:13 |
| nkinder | This is an issue that Priti was working on, but it's stalled out. | 17:13 |
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| nkinder | I plan to take it over, as it seems like she's not going to get back to it soon. | 17:14 |
| shohel02 | nkinder: i am talking about 0024 | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Priti said she should have more time for it now | 17:14 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: yes, you can just propose the review against the new repo | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | but I'd like to see that move along so collaborating on the changes might be the way forward | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool, thanks nkinder | 17:15 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: yep, I'll help it along tomorrow if she hasn't updated it | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Great, I'll look out for the review update | 17:16 |
| nkinder | shohel02: You can mark your old review as abandoned once you propose 0024 against the new repo. | 17:16 |
| shohel02 | okey | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: what did you want to discuss re keystone? | 17:16 |
| bknudson | OK... maybe some people here are familiar with SELinux | 17:17 |
| bknudson | and how it's used with OpenStack | 17:17 |
| bknudson | My understanding is that keystone-all (running under eventlet) typically has SELinux in an unbounded context | 17:17 |
| nkinder | Yep | 17:17 |
| bknudson | now we've suggested running keystone in httpd | 17:17 |
| nkinder | Yeah, but httpd_t will be used with mod_wsgi | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Keystone SELINUX HTTPD | 17:17 |
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| bknudson | so to do that it logically means that now httpd is unbounded | 17:18 |
| nkinder | no, it doesn't | 17:18 |
| nkinder | it means that keystone runs as httpd_t | 17:18 |
| nkinder | ...which requires extending some things | 17:18 |
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| nkinder | the ports you use for Keystone need to be labelled as httpd_t for one | 17:18 |
| nkinder | you can use semanage to do this | 17:19 |
| nkinder | there are some httpd selinux booleans you man need to set too | 17:19 |
| bknudson | I think keystone-all is unbounded due to connecting to database or memcached, or ldap, or whatever. | 17:20 |
| nkinder | in particular, there is an httpd_can_network_connect (sp?) that would be needed to allow it to make outgoing connections to things like LDAP | 17:20 |
| nkinder | bknudson: keystone-all (eventlet) will run as unconfined_t IIRC, as the process doesn't have any special transition to a confined context | 17:20 |
| bknudson | nkinder: ok, so some people I was talking to here were concerned about it, and I wasn't able to tell them much due to not knowing much about selinux | 17:22 |
| nkinder | bknudson: so are you trying to make keystone run unconfined with httpd, or you want to extend httpd_t to allow Keystone to work? | 17:22 |
| nkinder | the latter is the right approach | 17:22 |
| bknudson | nkinder: y, the concern was that we'd have to run unconfined. | 17:22 |
| bknudson | extending httpd_t is what we'd like to do. | 17:22 |
| nkinder | bknudson: As a FYI, I'm working on getting the base OS policy extended to allow Keystone to just work (that will take a bit of time) | 17:22 |
| bknudson | and it sounds like it's possible | 17:23 |
| nkinder | bknudson: ok, it's definitely possible | 17:23 |
| nkinder | bknudson: I've written policy before, so reach out to me if needed | 17:23 |
| bknudson | nkinder: alright, thanks! | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Great | 17:23 |
| nkinder | bknudson: worst case, it just requires a customer seliux policy module to be written to extend httpd (though most of what you need is possible with setsebool and semanage AFAIK) | 17:23 |
| bknudson | we can take the rest of the discussion out of the meeting. | 17:24 |
| nkinder | s/customer/custom/ | 17:24 |
| nkinder | Yep. | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | chair6: Got a second to talk about Bandit? | 17:24 |
| chair6 | sure | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:24 |
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| chair6 | bandit is still at https://github.com/chair6/bandit | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Great so what's the latest and how / when can people contribut? | 17:24 |
| chair6 | it has Apache 2.0 licensing as of 2 weeks ago | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:25 |
| chair6 | i've been out on vacation since then, so minimal progress :) | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Ah right | 17:25 |
| chair6 | on my current to-do list, which i plan to spend some time on shortly: | 17:25 |
| chair6 | - Rework configuration (JSON, perhaps) to support global and per-check scope | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | So the XSS stuff would be interesting to add, as would putting it into Stackforge | 17:25 |
| chair6 | - Build out support for additional AST node types | 17:25 |
| chair6 | - Consider additional helper functions that could make writing tests simpler | 17:25 |
| chair6 | yes, i want to at least add a check for the mark_safe() calls | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | makes sense | 17:25 |
| nkinder | I think a high priority is to add support to ignore lines | 17:25 |
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| nkinder | that's needed to start adding gate jobs | 17:26 |
| chair6 | good call nkinder, i'll add that to the list | 17:26 |
| nkinder | Also, were there still "hacking" style tests that we wrote that haven't been converted to bandit? | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Plenty of work to go around, when would it be ready for us to port those tests? | 17:27 |
| nkinder | any time I think | 17:27 |
| nkinder | chair6: Don't take it all on yourself. I'd recommend you write up an e-mail to the security list and say what needs to be done | 17:27 |
| chair6 | sounds like a plan, will do | 17:27 |
| nkinder | We can then divy work up | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | I'd like to contribute | 17:28 |
| chair6 | porting tests will help point out areas where the bandit framework should be extended to make writing tests easier too | 17:28 |
| nkinder | same here | 17:28 |
| * sicarie volunteers too | 17:28 | |
| nkinder | I'd like for people besides me and chair6 to port tests | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey gets volunteered too :) | 17:28 |
| * sweston jumps on the volunteer bandwagon | 17:28 | |
| nkinder | We're already done it, so we need input from others on the process | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | Heh sure :-) | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:28 |
| chair6 | i'll send out a mail to the list and we can work from there | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Ok great | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | #action chair6 to mail a list of todo / collaboration items to the ML re: Bandit | 17:29 |
| shelleea | I'd also like to help with this | 17:29 |
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| nkinder | Once we have some of this done, we can look at adding them to the gate as non-voting for Keystone maybe | 17:29 |
| nkinder | I would like that working before the Summit | 17:30 |
| nkinder | we could have a design summit session about it if we're far enough along (and if there's a security track) | 17:30 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | When do the design summit proposals open? | 17:31 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: hasn't been announced yet AFAIK | 17:32 |
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| hyakuhei | Ah that's ok then :) | 17:32 |
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| nkinder | tmcpeak asked me to bring up stevedore | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Stevedore | 17:33 |
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| nkinder | Travis is plannign on reviewing it, but wanted to see what research anyone here has done on it | 17:33 |
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| nkinder | In particular, I think he wants to identity any concerns others might have about stevedore so he knows what to look for when reviewing it | 17:34 |
| nkinder | I haven't really looked into it myself personally | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | Lots of people volunteered to look | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | I haven't | 17:34 |
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| nkinder | Travis' main concerns center around malicious extensions | 17:35 |
| nkinder | They can possible money patch things, get at sensitive data, etc. | 17:35 |
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| nkinder | Given that these are plug-ins, there is some level of trust involved | 17:36 |
| bknudson | that makes sense... an extension can do whatever it wants | 17:36 |
| nkinder | Yep | 17:36 |
| bknudson | this is python | 17:36 |
| bknudson | similar to dynamic loading of .sos in linux | 17:36 |
| nkinder | This is where things like signed extensions and such help (like signed jars in Java) | 17:36 |
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| nkinder | Ok, well it sounds like nobody here has researched stevedore in depth, so we'll see what Travis uncovers and discuss it more in the future. | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds good | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Design Summit Sessions | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei | Now that summit sessions are in, what about design sessiosn? | 17:38 |
| bknudson | an obvious one is a horizon session | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | The OSSG one went down well last time | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Horizon security session would be good | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Bandit would be good | 17:39 |
| nkinder | Yeah, a catch-all OSSG one would be good. | 17:39 |
| nkinder | Bandit and extending gate jobs across projects would be good as well | 17:39 |
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| tkelsey | +1 | 17:40 |
| nkinder | those might be merged. I guess it depends on what topics we want to cover in the catch-all session | 17:40 |
| sweston | I might suggest getting some attention on Neutron security, depending on how folks feel about that | 17:40 |
| * sweston possibly opens up a can of worms | 17:40 | |
| hyakuhei | OSSG session last time had about two times too much content | 17:40 |
| nkinder | bknudson: for Horizon, are you thinking of the XSS stuff that Paul brought up? | 17:40 |
| bknudson | nkinder: yes | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | sweston: good idea | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | you guys should have some security | 17:40 |
| sweston | hyakuhei: suggestions for topics? | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:40 |
| sweston | hehe | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Limits of Neutron security capabilities? | 17:41 |
| rlpple | sounds broad | 17:41 |
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| nkinder | What about the Neutron advanced services? There is a lot around SSL there for LBaaS and VPNaaS lately. | 17:41 |
| rlpple | better | 17:41 |
| nkinder | Is there anything that the OSSG can help with there? | 17:42 |
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| sweston | good suggestions! let me see if I can open up a discussion with the ptl | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | anything else? | 17:43 |
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| nkinder | I'm sure some of the Barbican guys would be interested in that discussion as well | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | yeah | 17:43 |
| nkinder | is it possible to get a threat modeling exercise going on one project at the summit? | 17:43 |
| nkinder | it might not fit in well to a normal design session (not enough time) | 17:43 |
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| nkinder | or perhaps it can be split into 2 sessions (there was a double session for something at the last summit) | 17:44 |
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| shohel02 | yah, it could around how projects wants to see threat model report | 17:44 |
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| shohel02 | discussion around that | 17:45 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah, good place to introducte threat analysis more | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | we can invite PTL's/cores from projects we want to target | 17:46 |
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| nkinder | I'd like to get SSL gate jobs running too, which might be worthy of discussion in a session | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Sure | 17:46 |
| nkinder | this might fit into a generic OSSG catch-all | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: what would SSL gate jobs entail? | 17:47 |
| nkinder | the patches for devstack are out there, so it's just getting them put into place for tests | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | I know viraptor has been doing some work in that space too | 17:47 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: devstack can deploy nova, neutron, swift, cinder, glance, keystone, and horizon with SSL using stud or native SSL | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah but my understanding was that didn't really work | 17:48 |
| nkinder | https://review.openstack.org/98854 | 17:48 |
| nkinder | it does | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | We've been looking to provide our ephemeral PKI stuff there | 17:48 |
| nkinder | once that patch lands. One of my engineers has been getting it in shape | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | Fantastic news :D | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | #topic any other business | 17:48 |
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| gmurphy | I have one small thing. i was going to try and get people to use the SecurityImpact tag for OSSA fixes. The aim would be to get more eyes on the reviews and to watch out for incomplete fixes. | 17:49 |
| gmurphy | More of a FYI | 17:49 |
| gmurphy | or any complaints? | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | I'm fine with that but imo we are not very good at acting on the SecurityImpact tag | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | I +1 your proposal though | 17:50 |
| bknudson | well, OSSA are often private security | 17:51 |
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| gmurphy | This would be when we are trying to push the fix through and publish the advisory. | 17:51 |
| bknudson | so I can't look at the patch until it's proposed & ready to merge | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | I thought you meant those in gerrit, which is normally those publicly disclosed | 17:51 |
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| tkelsey | Le | 17:52 |
| gmurphy | Well I guess in the past I've had trouble finding reviewers to +1 +2 things so we can issue the advisory. | 17:52 |
| bknudson | are you talking about public ones? | 17:53 |
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| nkinder | How would SecurityImpact notify us if the bug is private? | 17:54 |
| bknudson | the -security mailing list gets emails about security bugs | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | public ones. | 17:54 |
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| gmurphy | No. Nothing gets pushed to gerrit until bug becomes public. | 17:54 |
| nkinder | ah, yes | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | So if you're just saying that public fixes to OSSA's should have security impact tags set | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | of course they should :D | 17:54 |
| nkinder | that makes sense, though I expect we're in a rush to get the fix out at that point | 17:55 |
| bknudson | I've got to admit I forgot to do that on the revocation events patches. | 17:55 |
| nkinder | once we lift an embargo, it's usually full steam ahead, right? | 17:55 |
| bknudson | you would have seen a lot of email because it was a lot of patches | 17:55 |
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| gmurphy | nkinder - well. that would be plan yes. | 17:56 |
| nkinder | We might not have time to provide much useful feedback at that point before releasing the update. | 17:56 |
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| nkinder | It still sees right to add SecurityImpact though | 17:56 |
| nkinder | s/sees/seems/ | 17:56 |
| bknudson | even looking at the patch after it's been merged can be useful, since it can be reverted or amended | 17:56 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | Also useful for stats and retrospective reviews later on | 17:57 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, any last minute things before we wind this up? | 17:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, 1 min left | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 14 17:59:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-08-14-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-08-14-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-08-14-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks all! | 17:59 |
| nkinder | thanks! | 17:59 |
| sweston | thanks! | 17:59 |
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| gmurphy | thanks. | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 14 18:00:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks, ping | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 18:00 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, are here already? | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, sreshetnyak, ping | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme | 18:00 |
| alazarev | o/ | 18:00 |
| aignatov | o/ | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, does croberts already on PTO? | 18:00 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 18:01 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: yes, baby arrived two nights ago :) | 18:01 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: you are fast today, 18:00:02 2014 UTC | 18:01 |
| tosky | hi | 18:01 |
| aignatov | wow! awesome news! | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yay! my congrats to him if you'll see him :) | 18:01 |
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| aignatov | my congrats too ;) | 18:02 |
| elmiko | i'll pass on the well wishes | 18:02 |
| alazarev | grats! | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, ley's start | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda#Next_meetings | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (croberts, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, could you please make an update? | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-juno-post-merge-changes | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, does bootstrap 3 patch merged? | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hm | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it means "nope"? | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ;) | 18:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | not merget | 18:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | there is on big change from Chad | 18:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and a few small fixed from me | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, could you please track them and make them landed? | 18:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ok, I'l keep a track of them | 18:05 |
| alazarev | it has a lot of +1 from sahara guys, but no marks from horizon | 18:05 |
| alazarev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110680 | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, how about templates copy? | 18:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the change is also on review | 18:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but no horizon reviewvers yet | 18:06 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: templates copy are dependant on bootstrap 3 patch | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, oh, yeah | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, anything else on dashboard topic? | 18:07 |
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| tmckay | here I am | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I think we should clean the old repo as soon as possible | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, +1 | 18:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | some people put change requests tehre | 18:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | from time to time | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections to remove old dashboard from repo and tweak README to go to the horizon? | 18:08 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: I fixed templates list error handling and it was merged, this is the only sahara patch not in bootstrap3 chain | 18:08 |
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| tmckay | no objections | 18:08 |
| sreshetnyak | no objections | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed remove old dashboard from repo and tweak README to go to the horizon | 18:09 |
| alazarev | devstack has two Saharas now :) | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any voluteers to do it asap? | 18:09 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: we will still have access to icehouse dashboard though? | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, sure, just remove saharadashboard dir in master | 18:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | SergeyLukjanov: I can take that | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, and tweak README | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, okay, thx, please, do it tomorrow ;) | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action NikitaKonovalov to remove dashboard code from master of sahara-dasboard and tweak README with instructions | 18:10 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: cool, thanks | 18:10 |
| tosky | remove the code? | 18:10 |
| alazarev | I can remove dashboard from devstack | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, it's done already by myself | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, just waiting for review | 18:10 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: oh, ok | 18:11 |
| tosky | I mean, are you going to keep the repository but move it somewhere else (not openstack namespace), or just put a big README? | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, code is already merged to Horizon | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, only selenium tests and README with instructions will be in sahara-dashboard repo | 18:11 |
| alazarev | tosky: delete code from master, maintain branches only | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, the stable/icehouse branch will not be changed | 18:11 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: forgot to mention, mattf won't be able to make it today | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah, I see :) | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:12 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, just so you know it was on purpose, and he mentioned it ahead of time :) | 18:13 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov, alazarev: ack, thanks | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ack :) | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I was working on devstack changes (small refactoring and sahara-dashboard removal) | 18:13 |
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| elmiko | i've been working on chasing down the details needed to update the swift authentication spec. it's complicated and i'd definitely like to talk about the changes we will ask of operators in the name of increased security | 18:13 |
| aignatov | just looked at spark integration tests adding, looks nice, I think we can merge it :) | 18:13 |
| sreshetnyak | I'm working on various CDH fixes and review | 18:13 |
| tmckay | I have a few things to say about Oozie in relation to elmiko swift auth changes in open discussion. Basically, possible ways to lockdown Oozie (because creds will still be in workflow) | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, we should have job that runs it before merge | 18:14 |
| tmckay | aignatov, ack, it doesn't do scaling but I want to help with swift auth first, seems like a priority for Juno | 18:14 |
| aignatov | i’ve already merged it since it has 2 +2 | 18:15 |
| alazarev | bug fixing, pushing security group auto creation, ops error handling and antiaffinity for heat | 18:15 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: exactly :) | 18:15 |
| alazarev | I also have several topics for open discussion | 18:15 |
| tmckay | also, on swift test -- I really want to use spark wordcount, but until we have spark with swift, it's too much trouble to make it use local hdfs (with an upload of a data file, etc etc) | 18:15 |
| tmckay | so, I just used SparkPi with no IO | 18:15 |
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| tmckay | spark with swift may have to wait until K, not sure about Juno. I think it may ride on top of the hadoop swift changes (I think swift delegates to hadoop for file access) but I don't know | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, tmckay, guys, do you think it's possible to migrate to the new security model in J? | 18:16 |
| tmckay | it's getting close. | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, tmckay, assuming that we should keep backward compat / upgradebility | 18:17 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: code wise, i think we can make it. will be a push, i'm more concerned about the integration issues i outlined in the email. | 18:17 |
| tmckay | One reason I want to look at Oozie lockdown. Even if we miss, Oozie lockdown would improve the situation a lot | 18:17 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: if we switch to the new method(proxy users with trusts), i think we could keep backward compat as needed. | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, elmiko, could you please ack that you're planning to switch in backward compat style/ | 18:18 |
| tmckay | ack, I agree on backward compat. We just need a cluster config to say which method | 18:18 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i'd like to remove it, but i think we can write the hadoop-swift plugin to take both styles of auth into account | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, elmiko, I just would like to be sure that we'll be able to upgrade Icehouse sahara to Juno one ;) | 18:19 |
| elmiko | basically, if the hadoop-swift see a trust id/domain id with it's user creds, then it will attempt new style, otherwise old style. | 18:19 |
| tmckay | I agree. That should be a goal. Better to wait a release than break stuff if it comes to that, imho. | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, ++ | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okey, so, we have 2.5 weeks to land it | 18:20 |
| tmckay | and the job manager will generate the workflow based on cluster config (or data source object content, or something). Shouldn't be too hard. | 18:20 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i think the proposals we are making to the hadoop-swift component will actually make it more functional with keystone v3, we adding features from v3. | 18:20 |
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| tmckay | For spark, we will have to figure out how to get the auth info into the hadoop config (if indeed spark is delegating to hadoop for file access) | 18:21 |
| tmckay | but I think spark swift is probably K | 18:21 |
| tmckay | external hdfs will have to be good enough for Juno | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ++ | 18:21 |
| alazarev | elmiko: but we should still support keystone v2 | 18:21 |
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| elmiko | alazarev: i think we can by having the hadoop-swift component look to see what parameters it receives. if it receives just username/pass, then v2. if it receives username/pass/trust/domain then v3. | 18:22 |
| alazarev | elmiko: sounds good | 18:23 |
| elmiko | my big concern though, is that we will need to distribute the new hadoop-swift based images and the packages. | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, small correction | 18:23 |
| tmckay | elmiko, ack. I'm guessing it gets a new client for each access | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, v3 should be always ued with fallback to v2 with creds | 18:23 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ack | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I'm working on building images in gate | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I'd like to propose moving hadoop-swiftfs to spearated repo | 18:24 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ++ | 18:24 |
| alazarev | elmiko: we already distribute hadoop-swift since upstrean doesn’t support deta locality | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, yup | 18:25 |
| elmiko | alazarev: ok, great | 18:25 |
| elmiko | also, folks, please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113591/ | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic extract hadoop-swiftfs to the separated repo | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | i'd like to start making PRs for the change in spec | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, the topic is | 18:25 |
| tmckay | I +2'd already | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | please, share your thoughts folks | 18:25 |
| tmckay | :) | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | if we move it to a new repo, sahara-extras will be dead? | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I think so | 18:26 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, so edp-examples will be gone, then only thing left in sahara-extra is the hadoop plugin. Why move it? | 18:26 |
| elmiko | i don't mind moving it as part of the work we are doing on swift/auth. since we'll need to make changes anyway. | 18:26 |
| tmckay | just a name change at that point, right? | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, examples already gone | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, good point for renaming | 18:27 |
| elmiko | rename and some cleanup to the READMEs | 18:27 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: will it be stackforge, openstack or hadoop-something? | 18:27 |
| tmckay | Ideas for new name? | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, but probably we'd like to keep the stable/icehouse in -extra | 18:28 |
| tmckay | ah, good point | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, so, it's better to move hadoop-swiftfs out of extra | 18:28 |
| elmiko | are we going to be adding a component for spark-swift access? | 18:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, but keep -extra as is with deprecation mark | 18:28 |
| tmckay | elmiko, we don't know yet | 18:28 |
| tmckay | it might "just work" | 18:28 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, willb suggested to me a long time ago that swift just delegated to hadoop | 18:29 |
| sreshetnyak | imho it's bad idea because hadoop vendors will not support custom hadoop-swiftfs library | 18:29 |
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| alazarev | tmckay: hdfs is pretty the same in spark, so it should just work | 18:29 |
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| tmckay | I think so | 18:29 |
| elmiko | sreshetnyak: which part is a bad idea? | 18:29 |
| tmckay | haven't poked into that yet | 18:29 |
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| alazarev | now we have hadoop-fs in hadoop repo, but it is outdated | 18:30 |
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| alazarev | if we manage to make changes fast enough we can use it, this should be a goal | 18:31 |
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| sreshetnyak | elmiko, extract hadoop-swiftfs library | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | on the other hand the one in -extra works ok, so, no real need to change it now | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, good idea | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we should decide first what to do with code in hadoop | 18:31 |
| elmiko | sreshetnyak: are you saying we should leave the hadoop-swiftfs in the extras repo? | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think the right approach is to decide where this code should live - in hadoop eco or in openstack | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and if hadoop eco than in hadoop repo or separatedly as contrib fs | 18:33 |
| alazarev | problem with hadoop repo is that changes need to be reviewed by hadoop guys, it is slow and non-trivial for openstack eco | 18:33 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: would hadoop consider accepting it? | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, some version of this code is already in hadoop | 18:33 |
| elmiko | alazarev: that concerns me too | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, yup, it's the main concern | 18:34 |
| alazarev | it took 6 months to merge first version | 18:34 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ok, but the real issue is we need to iterate with changes to the openstack infrastructure. which is must faster than hadoop currently. | 18:34 |
| tosky | it could be kept separate until it's integrated, as it happened in the past, I think | 18:34 |
| elmiko | that seems like we should keep it separate | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, -extra works ok for us now, let's not spend time for useless moving now | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it | 18:35 |
| elmiko | i'm good with less work =) | 18:35 |
| alazarev | +1 | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's easy enough to extract, but we'll still have -extra | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | because of stable branch | 18:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and so there is not so cool to just add one more repo in fact ;) | 18:35 |
| elmiko | if we're going to change the hadoop-swiftfs for this auth stuff, maybe we should leave it in -extra until sometime in K | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yup | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | or we'll have some good ideas on summit | 18:36 |
| elmiko | let's hope :) | 18:36 |
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| sreshetnyak | I think the right approach is to decide where this code should live - in hadoop eco or in openstack | 18:36 |
| sreshetnyak | 22:34 SergeyLukjanov@: and if hadoop eco than in hadoop repo or separatedly as contrib fs | 18:36 |
| sreshetnyak | 22:34 alazarev : problem with hadoop repo is that changes need to be reviewed by hadoop guys, it is slow and non-trivial for openstack eco | 18:36 |
| sreshetnyak | 22:34 elmiko : SergeyLukjanov: would hadoop consider accepting it? | 18:36 |
| sreshetnyak | sorry, wrong message | 18:37 |
| elmiko | sreshetnyak: it seems like we need to keep it in openstack eco for now | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, for J at least | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed no changes needed, at least in J | 18:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's move on | 18:37 |
| sreshetnyak | elmiko, ok, agree | 18:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Juno 3 (Sept 4) | 18:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno 3 (Sept 4) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:38 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, just reminder - winter is coming! | 18:38 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, what's your topic to discuss? | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hdfs usage in edp? | 18:39 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: sqlite support, broken pig in hadoop2, EDP dependancy on HDFS | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sqlite support | 18:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sqlite support (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:39 | |
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| alazarev | I’m Ok with removing sqlite support, but we need to anounce this somehow | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, AFAIK other project have same migrations with ALTER COLUMN that isn't supported by SQLit | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, looks like neutron has such migrations | 18:41 |
| alazarev | we need to clear docs from sqlite in this case | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, are you using MySQL for dev? | 18:41 |
| dmitryme | alazarev: good point, we need to put that as an item in our update doc | 18:42 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: I think this topic was rised haklfyear ago when we started adding migrations to sahara with alembic | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I don't like hacking python/sqla to support sqlite | 18:42 |
| tmckay | I use sqlite. Been meaning to switch. | 18:42 |
| aignatov | and decided to get rid of sqlite support | 18:42 |
| aignatov | I remember that | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, yes, I remember something like this | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh yeah, we were having the same migration the whole icehouse | 18:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | until the pre-release squashing of migrations | 18:42 |
| dmitryme | aignatov: yep, me too. Then we found a way to make migrations for Icehouse without alter, by sqashing them | 18:43 |
| dmitryme | so sqlite worked for Icehouse | 18:43 |
| tmckay | I just remove ALTERS :) works fine | 18:43 |
| alazarev | yes, but after that changes were merged for icehouse and incompatibility disappear | 18:43 |
| dmitryme | tmckay: don’t do that in any environment you value :-) | 18:43 |
| tmckay | just kidding -- not suggesting that as a real solution. But it does work when you're in a hurry. | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:44 |
| alazarev | tmckay: now you can do it in one file, it is Ok with 2-3, nearly impossible with 10+ | 18:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed to drop sqlite support, need to cleanup docs | 18:44 |
| * tmckay time to switch finally | 18:44 | |
| alazarev | I can clean up docs and samples | 18:44 |
| alazarev | (we have sqlite in samples too) | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed to not hack migrations by removing ALTER from them in production | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, yes, please | 18:45 |
| tmckay | lol, did we really need to say that? | 18:45 |
| elmiko | tmckay: me too, gotta set up that local mysql server... | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action alazarev to cleanup sqlite from docs and samples | 18:45 |
| alazarev | to not hack _officially_ :) | 18:45 |
| aignatov | the same with neutron to answer on SergeyLukjanov question, you can play with sqlite but it’s not for production and migrations :) | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I'm just kidding ;) | 18:45 |
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| alazarev | next topic? | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic EDP dependency on HDFS | 18:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "EDP dependency on HDFS (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:46 | |
| alazarev | Jon Maron implemented “mkdir -p” manually because HDFS FsShell API changed in hadoop2 | 18:47 |
| alazarev | now we have now we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1355114 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1356582 | 18:48 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1355114 in sahara "[HDP] Parallel running EDP jobs failed on HDP1 cluster" [Medium,Confirmed] | 18:48 |
| aignatov | ok, is it impossible to fix that? | 18:48 |
| alazarev | the main problem is that EDP calls HDFS directly without knowledge what HDFS it is | 18:49 |
| alazarev | I see several ways to fix | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, and w/o knowledge about existence of HDFS (storm for ex.) | 18:49 |
| alazarev | 1. put HDFS (or other storage) communication into plugins (hard to implement, will save from problems with storm) | 18:50 |
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| alazarev | 2. expose hadoop version (1 or 2) from plugins and add “if” to EDP | 18:51 |
| * SergeyLukjanov don't like #2 | 18:51 | |
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| sreshetnyak | me too | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any objections against #1? | 18:52 |
| alazarev | 3. require clusters to provide unified way for HDFS operations (need to think more) | 18:52 |
| aignatov | ca it be fixed that way -> plugin has new SPI method “say to EDP engine which storage you are using for temporary purposes” | 18:52 |
| alazarev | *require plugins | 18:52 |
| elmiko | i like #1, but sounds complicated | 18:53 |
| tmckay | I like #1, especially if we have implementations that can be shared by plugins. If multiple plugins use hdfs with the same interface, then we should only implement once. | 18:53 |
| dmitryme | I actually like #2 | 18:53 |
| tmckay | #2 is not terrible. | 18:53 |
| dmitryme | but I am also ok with tmckay’s correction of #1 | 18:53 |
| tmckay | Allocate a class that wraps hdfs funtcions based on hadoop version | 18:53 |
| alazarev | I don’t like how SPI currently implemented, may be we should switch to multiple interfaces | 18:54 |
| tmckay | I think either one can work | 18:54 |
| elmiko | tmckay, some sort of storage abstractor? | 18:54 |
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| alazarev | e.g. we can add “get_storage_manager” method to PSI | 18:54 |
| alazarev | *SPI | 18:54 |
| aignatov | alazarev: yes, I meant the same | 18:54 |
| tmckay | yeah. Ask the plugin what the hadoop version is, pass it off to a factory, get "MyGreatHDFS" object back, "myobj.makedir(path, "dashp=True)" | 18:55 |
| * tmckay made that up real quick | 18:55 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | I like it | 18:55 |
| alazarev | tmckay: this is exactly solution with storage manager, plugins will just return shared impl | 18:56 |
| tmckay | yes, get_storage_manager, basically the same idea | 18:56 |
| tmckay | almost the same as the EDP engine stuff | 18:57 |
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| tmckay | doesn't have to be a formal plugin, just a factory and common interface | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ++ | 18:57 |
| tmckay | I think we are all agreeing :) | 18:57 |
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| aignatov | so we got the decision, looks like nice bluprint to be implemented :) | 18:57 |
| alazarev | tmckay: storage manager and EDP engine are hardly tight | 18:57 |
| alazarev | do we want this in J? | 18:58 |
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| tmckay | yes, they are related -- could be the same object | 18:58 |
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| tmckay | or, at least in the same directory | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, I think it'll be cool to fix this issues in J | 18:58 |
| tmckay | EDP engine is currently just "status, run, kill" | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 1 min left | 18:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:59 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | last seconds :) | 18:59 |
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| alazarev | with broken pig in oozie I think the best solution is custom oozie build | 18:59 |
| tmckay | okay, quick comment on Oozie. Either with Ooozie config settings, or firewall settings, I think we need to block oozie server access to Sahara and cluster nodes | 18:59 |
| elmiko | i have a few concerns about what we will asking operators to change about their keystone configs for the swift/auth stuff. but i will put it an email. | 18:59 |
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| tmckay | so that people cannot spy on jobs, read configs, and thereby get creds and trust tokens | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's continue in our channel | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thanks folks | 19:00 |
| tmckay | I am looking in to both -- firewall setup, and oozie configs | 19:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 14 19:00:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-08-14-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-08-14-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-08-14-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| tmckay | bye | 19:00 |
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| sreshetnyak | bye | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | amitgandhinz: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 14 19:00:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic roll call | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | hi, who is here for the Poppy meeting? | 19:01 |
| malini | o/ | 19:01 |
| ametts | o/ | 19:01 |
| guimarin | hi from Fastly | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | hi guimarin! | 19:01 |
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| guimarin | hi amitgandhinz! | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | anyone else here for Poppy? | 19:03 |
| megan_w_ | o/ | 19:03 |
| catherine_r | ja! | 19:04 |
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| obulpathi | o/ obulpathi | 19:05 |
| oz_akan | hi | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | the agenda for today's meeting is here: #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy#Agenda | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | lets get started | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic introductions | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | lets do a quick round of introductions.... | 19:06 |
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| megan_w_ | I'll go | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:06 |
| megan_w_ | this is megan wohlford, i am a product manager at rackspace | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | My name is Amit Gandhi. I am the PTL for Poppy and also work at Rackspace | 19:06 |
| malini | I am Malini Kamalambal - SDT @ Rackspace | 19:06 |
| ametts | Allan Metts, Director of Engineering for Rackspace's Atlanta site | 19:07 |
| megan_w_ | maybe explain the acronyms :) | 19:07 |
| catherine_r | Hi, I'm an information developer/technical writer at Rackspace. | 19:07 |
| obulpathi | My name is Obul. I am a software engineer at Rackspace | 19:07 |
| * amitgandhinz PTL = Project Technical Lead | 19:07 | |
| malini | SDT is a Software Developer in Test ;) | 19:07 |
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| oz_akan | I am Oz | 19:08 |
| guimarin | my name is michael guimarin Senior Sales Engineer/BD integrations Fastly CDN | 19:08 |
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| tonytan4ever | Hi I am Tony Tan, I am an SD with Rackspace. | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | ok cool, i think thats everyone. A lot of rackers =) and welcome guimarin from Fastly =) | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Discuss how to get started with Poppy (wiki, gerrit, stack forge) | 19:10 |
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| obulpathi | welcome michael | 19:10 |
| guimarin | thanks! | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | so ive spent the last few days updating the wiki etc with getting started guides for stackforge/openstack, gerrit, and poppy | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | has everyone had a chance to read the material put up so far? | 19:11 |
| malini | yeap | 19:11 |
| guimarin | yes | 19:11 |
| obulpathi | most of it | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | basically the idea is to have enough material for new contributors interested in poppy to get up and running as soon as possible | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | does any one have any questions on how to get started with gerrit and stackforge? | 19:12 |
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| obulpathi | none from my side | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | has everyone been able to sign up for a launchpad id etc | 19:13 |
| obulpathi | yes from me | 19:13 |
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| malini | same here | 19:13 |
| guimarin | i haven't done that yet, my directive was to figure out scope and what was required. your api's seem easy enough so i'm probably just going to see how far down the integration i can go before anyone notices. :) | 19:13 |
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| tonytan4ever | I am still learning and adapting to this gerrit workflow. | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | haha ok. let us know if you have any issues getting started with gerrit. The system can be different to straight up github if you're not used to it | 19:15 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok lets move on to the next topic | 19:15 |
| obulpathi | tonytan4ever: it took me some time to get used to gerrit too | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Getting Started doc improvements | 19:15 |
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| amitgandhinz | What area's do you think we need to add to improve the getting started guides | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | guimarin: since you have been reading up this material and are new to the project, any suggestions? | 19:16 |
| catherine_r | I will edit what is there for RS and OS style guides. | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | catherine_r: thanks! | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | #action: catherine will edit existing Getting Started guides on wiki for RS and OS style guides | 19:17 |
| catherine_r | via gerrit review | 19:17 |
| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: are you referencing the wiki page? | 19:18 |
| megan_w_ | or a specific sub page? | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Poppy | 19:18 |
| catherine_r | Actually, I will start with this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113944/ | 19:18 |
| catherine_r | Then move to wiki. | 19:18 |
| catherine_r | If that is OK. | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | I am also currently working on getting those docs (referenced by catherine_r) so that they are served via readthedocs | 19:19 |
| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: moving "meetings" to a link at the top might help. i had a bit of trouble finding it | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | #action move poppy/meetings higher up the page on the wiki | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | +1 to moving meeting to higher | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | Poppy User Guide link is broken on wiki | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: that link needs to point to readthedocs once its available | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:21 |
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| amitgandhinz | guimarin: any suggestions? or did you find you had enough useful info so far? | 19:22 |
| megan_w_ | we should put a graphic that illustrates the generic api and the plugins | 19:23 |
| guimarin | amitgandhinz my experience so far is that things seem to be how they are in these types of projects | 19:23 |
| guimarin | the metal meets the road so to speak when i try to connect our api with yours | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | megan_w_: like this? #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Poppy/Server_Architecture | 19:23 |
| megan_w_ | yep | 19:23 |
| guimarin | but it looks simple enough that i don't think we should have a problem, that said, i'll jump into the poppy channel when we do | 19:24 |
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| amitgandhinz | guimarin: ok sounds good. I plan to add some more docs explaining how the api's meet. The code already has a prototyped fastly driver and we are about to start making it read | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | s/read/real | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | ok anything else on this topic before we move on? | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on... | 19:26 |
| guimarin | oh that's great, if you even got one Fastly API call working, say view service | 19:26 |
| guimarin | then we can replicate that pretty easily | 19:26 |
| guimarin | i noticed the overlap in API calls you have listed is almost 100% | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh there are a lot of similarities - makes the integration easier =) | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on.... | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic: General Guidelines for contributing to OpenStack | 19:27 |
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| amitgandhinz | is everyone familiar with contributing code the openstack way? | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Poppy/Contributing | 19:28 |
| guimarin | yes | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute | 19:28 |
| malini | yes..it'll get easy over time | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | yes | 19:29 |
| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: any rules on +1s? | 19:29 |
| megan_w_ | meaning, any limits to getting things reviewed before they are incorportated? | 19:29 |
| megan_w_ | incorporated * | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | we need at least two +1's from anyone, and at least one +2 from a core reviewer | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | currently i am the only core reviewer ;-) | 19:29 |
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| guimarin | haha | 19:30 |
| megan_w_ | nice | 19:30 |
| malini | bribing amitgandhinz is the way to go ;-) | 19:30 |
| obulpathi | hahaha | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | does the team feel we need another core reviewer at this stage? | 19:30 |
| tonytan4ever | so one core view will give +2 instead of +1 ? | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | i have the power muwahahaha | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | core reviewers can choose to give a +1 or +2 | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | I think once core reviewer is enough for now | 19:31 |
| malini | one is bad enough! | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, i think as our contributors grow, or i get too slow at reviewing, we can revisit adding another core | 19:31 |
| tonytan4ever | I have no problem with the number of core viewers. | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | if people participate actively and contribute, then probably we can propose their name as a core reviewer | 19:32 |
| obulpathi | s/if/when | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: agreed | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on to the juicy topic =) | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic: Reseller Model (how do providers recommend setting up a Reseller Model for thousands of customers) | 19:32 |
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| amitgandhinz | so this question came up in day to day Poppy discussions.... | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | Since poppy basically works as a reseller model (where the deployer of poppy is the reseller) | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | how do customer services get provisioned | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | ie do we lump all customers into a master account | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | or do we provision multiple customer accounts somehow that is still manageable by the master account | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | guimarin: do you have insight into this from Fastly's point of view? | 19:34 |
| guimarin | yes | 19:34 |
| guimarin | haha | 19:34 |
| guimarin | so we have a contract in place right now that should cover the business metrics of this | 19:34 |
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| obulpathi | we would like some insight especially from the point of view of authentication, logging, billing, limits | 19:34 |
| guimarin | but how the actual technical integration works | 19:34 |
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| guimarin | It's easiest to do these things with seperate services per customer | 19:35 |
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| oz_akan | lets make all core contributors core reviewers? there aren't many at the moment, people can vote +1 as long as Amit is arond | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | so one service per customer? | 19:35 |
| guimarin | hmm | 19:36 |
| guimarin | well let's do a thought experiment | 19:36 |
| guimarin | if we do one service | 19:36 |
| guimarin | and lump all the customers into it | 19:36 |
| guimarin | seperating out logs, and billilng by customer is going to be tricky | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | you mean one customer and all services in that customer? | 19:36 |
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| obulpathi | also .. some cdn providers have manual steps to activate and enable some features | 19:36 |
| obulpathi | this will be little tricky to do programatically | 19:37 |
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| guimarin | i can only speak for fastly, and everything we have is API accessible, so for us at least, that isn't a blocker | 19:37 |
| chrisueland | hi. Chris from MaxCDN here | 19:37 |
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| obulpathi | hi Chris, welcome to poppy :) | 19:37 |
| chrisueland | hi hi | 19:37 |
| malini | hello chrisueland | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | hi chrisueland! | 19:37 |
| tonytan4ever | Hi Chris, I was looking for the MaxCDN guy. | 19:37 |
| chrisueland | hey guys! sorry I'm late. how's it going so far? | 19:38 |
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| megan_w_ | so far so good. we're on the topic creating lots of customers, in the 15k-20k range | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | its good. we are currently discussing the reseller model and how to provision thousands of customer services (one account with many services, or one service per account) | 19:38 |
| megan_w_ | should they all have seperate zones/services/etc | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | in maxcdn service = pullzone | 19:38 |
| tonytan4ever | A MaxCDN's normal user account only supports 2 Pull zones, and each pull zone only support 1 origin. | 19:39 |
| tonytan4ever | Correct me if I'm wrong chris. | 19:39 |
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| chrisueland | right on - (hey megan) | 19:39 |
| chrisueland | It's unlimited, just depends on the pkg | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: lets hold off on your question for now | 19:39 |
| megan_w_ | so if an operator like rackspace wants to launch poppy. how they they provision each of their cusotmres? a new account for each one? | 19:40 |
| megan_w_ | or a single account with tons of services/pullzones | 19:40 |
| megan_w_ | my hunch is that a service/pullzone for each customer is the right call | 19:41 |
| megan_w_ | all under a single "reseller" account | 19:41 |
| megan_w_ | does that align? | 19:41 |
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| guimarin | 1 service | 19:42 |
| guimarin | per customer | 19:42 |
| guimarin | rackspace single account | 19:42 |
| guimarin | for Fastly | 19:42 |
| guimarin | let's go with that for now | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | guimarin: with fastly, is there an api to create a customer within a master account? | 19:44 |
| chrisueland | we have a couple of ways to do it: 1) have a CDN Manager account for Rackspace, and then sub users | 19:44 |
| guimarin | amitgandhinz not at this time | 19:44 |
| chrisueland | or have a CDN account for Rackspace w/ zone(s) per customer | 19:44 |
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| obulpathi | +1 for master account | 19:44 |
| guimarin | ^^ +1 | 19:44 |
| obulpathi | it makes handling credentials easy | 19:44 |
| guimarin | yes i agree, i'd like to see it | 19:45 |
| obulpathi | also it provides the separation of concerns like logging, billing and other | 19:45 |
| guimarin | if that's where we want to move, then we should have customer accounts with their service, so 1:1, denote they are rackspace, and then move them over | 19:45 |
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| guimarin | so in this case 20k customers each with 1 service, or really N services | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh that would be nice. feels safer from a security standpoint too | 19:46 |
| megan_w_ | so we're leaving towards the master account/sub account model | 19:46 |
| chrisueland | our "hosting platform" or reseller system is called CDN Manager | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | #action: amitgandhinz to look into CDN Manager | 19:47 |
| chrisueland | and it supports full sub accounts/branding/aggregate stats/admin functions | 19:47 |
| chrisueland | kind of like WHM if you're familiar w/ Cpanel | 19:47 |
| amitgandhinz | guimarin: im guessing you will need to go back to your team to see when/how fastly could support this? | 19:47 |
| obulpathi | chrisueland: is everything an API for subaccounts? or are there any manual steps needed? | 19:48 |
| amitgandhinz | chrisueland: does CDN Manager have an API? | 19:48 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: nice | 19:48 |
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| oz_akan | amitgandhinz: now, are we going to expect every provider to support master account model in order poppy to support that provider? | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | ok sounds like we are all leaning towards master account/sub accounts model | 19:49 |
| guimarin | amitgandhinz, that's the direction we were going with these partnerships | 19:49 |
| chrisueland | it is, but I don't see it on the main docs. I'll take an action item to get the url for the docs. | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | oz_akan: maybe we can make the provider implementation smart enough to toggle with or without it? | 19:49 |
| guimarin | we have everything in place but the ability for the master account to have credentials on all the sub accounts | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | guimarin: cool | 19:49 |
| guimarin | which granted is the important part, but it's not primetime yet, let me circle back with the team and check our priorities | 19:50 |
| obulpathi | guimarin: sweet | 19:50 |
| megan_w_ | taking this one step further... | 19:50 |
| megan_w_ | should Poppy assume the master account already exists? | 19:50 |
| megan_w_ | and just ask for credentials | 19:50 |
| oz_akan | amitgandhinz: I think that should be the default to start with | 19:50 |
| megan_w_ | then create sub accounts programatically? | 19:50 |
| oz_akan | should / might | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | Poppy would need to own those subaccounts also | 19:50 |
| guimarin | megan_w_ with fastly right now we'll probably give an API endpoint on creation to designate a rackspace account, so that when we get the master account working properly we can pull them all in at once | 19:51 |
| guimarin | s/poppy/rackspace | 19:51 |
| megan_w_ | ok | 19:51 |
| oz_akan | can't pappy hold master / sub account logic? | 19:51 |
| amitgandhinz | ok cool | 19:51 |
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| megan_w_ | i would think if we got this route, we'll also needs calls like "list all subaccounts" | 19:51 |
| megan_w_ | go* | 19:52 |
| megan_w_ | sorry, my typing gets worse every day | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | we have 9 minutes left, which i want to use for open questions - i think tonytan4ever had one for chrisueland | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | we can carry this conversation over to the #poppy channel | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic open discussion | 19:52 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: you are up | 19:52 |
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| tonytan4ever | How does CDN manager's API differ from a normal account's API ? | 19:53 |
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| obulpathi | to add to the subaccounts topic: CloudFront (or AWS) supports AMI ... which *I think* works in a similar way .. need to investigate more on thsi | 19:53 |
| amitgandhinz | #info leaning towards master account/sub account model but will need to support providers without master account concept | 19:53 |
| chrisueland | tonytan4ever: CDN Manager can be what we call a Master Brand | 19:53 |
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| obulpathi | +1 for support with out master account concept | 19:54 |
| chrisueland | tonytan4ever: and the Master Brand can create Accounts, the Accounts have Zones | 19:54 |
| tonytan4ever | Ok. | 19:54 |
| chrisueland | tonytan4ever: So, for example: VPS.net is a Master Brand, and they have thousands of users (think MaxCDN accounts) inside their Master Brand | 19:54 |
| tonytan4ever | and also Masters can access each subaccounts ? | 19:55 |
| chrisueland | tonytan4ever: They can add users, change passwords, view aggregate stats, login as a client (if they have permission), pay their bill as a provider (and then bill their clients how ever they do it) | 19:55 |
| megan_w_ | nice | 19:55 |
| chrisueland | tonytan4ever: yes, that is the default behavior that's been requested so far | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | cool, we will need to dig into it later | 19:55 |
| chrisueland | tonytan4ever: not sure if there's a toggle for it | 19:55 |
| tonytan4ever | That's good for us. Also each MaxCDN pullzone only support 1 origin, correct ? | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | #action: dig into MaxCDN CDN Manager API for Master/Sub Accounts | 19:56 |
| chrisueland | tonytan4ever: we don't have the API docs public because it's traditionally been a more hands on configuration - but everything's available through the API | 19:56 |
| tonytan4ever | cool | 19:56 |
| chrisueland | tonytan4ever: the final note is we can brand a CP as a customer. ie: VPS.net looks like their brand - has a vps.net URL for the CP, custom SSL cert, etc | 19:57 |
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| amitgandhinz | 3 minutes remaining | 19:57 |
| chrisueland | tonytan4ever: ie: you can see the customized login page here http://cdn.vps.net | 19:58 |
| tonytan4ever | The 1 origin for one pullzone scheme is a little bit different than other CDN provider | 19:58 |
| chrisueland | tonytan4ever: what do you mean? | 19:58 |
| tonytan4ever | I mean if I go to MaxCDN control panel, I create a pullzone there, and I can only specify one origin for that pull zone. | 19:59 |
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| chrisueland | tonytan4ever: are you talking about round robin? or sharding on path? | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | we have noticed that fastly and cloudfront support multiple origins in the service/distribution | 19:59 |
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| amitgandhinz | then you can specify rules to those origins | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | ok time is up | 20:00 |
| megan_w_ | sharding on path is the idea | 20:00 |
| tonytan4ever | fastly can do round bin too. | 20:00 |
| megan_w_ | ah | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | lets continue in the #poppy channel | 20:00 |
| chrisueland | yeah, we have all that too | 20:00 |
| megan_w_ | ok | 20:00 |
| chrisueland | it's called EdgeRules | 20:00 |
| chrisueland | and needs to be enabled per account | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 14 20:00:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-08-14-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-08-14-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-08-14-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | sorry - #openstack-poppy channel | 20:00 |
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