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dhellmann#startmeeting oslo16:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Aug 15 16:00:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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dhellmannwho's around for the oslo meeting?16:00
YorikSaro/16:00
jecareyo/16:00
bknudsonhi16:00
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rpodolyakao/16:01
pblahoo/16:01
dhellmanndimsum_, bnemec, markmc, flaper87|afk, jd__ : ping?16:01
bnemeco/16:01
dimsum_o.16:01
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dimsum_o/16:01
dhellmannok, hi, everyone!16:02
jd__pong16:02
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dhellmann#topic Review action items from previous meeting16:02
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dhellmann#action dhellmann approach the other integrated projects who have not started work on oslo.i18n16:02
dhellmanncarrying that over again, although we did make some good progress16:02
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dhellmannnova glance and keystone are done, cinder is in progress16:03
dhellmann#info bknudson file a bug about timeutils mocking issue16:03
bknudsondhellmann: did that.16:03
dhellmannI looked and didn't see it, do you have the number handy? I only had a minute for a quick search...16:03
bknudson#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/135452116:04
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1354521 in oslo "timeutils.utcnow use in oslo-incubator and oslo.utils" [High,Triaged]16:04
dhellmannthanks, bknudson16:04
dhellmann#info everyone review the repo being imported as oslo.concurrency16:04
dhellmannthe repo looks ready to be imported, so we’re just waiting for infra to have time to do that, right YorikSar?16:04
YorikSarYes. I'll be pursuading this on #openstack-infra.16:04
dimsum_bknudson: similar issue in nova bknudson, fyi16:04
dhellmannYorikSar: ok, thanks16:05
dhellmanndimsum_: ah, is this the same thing we were just discussing?16:05
dimsum_dhellmann: yep16:05
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bknudsondimsum_: I like the new nick.16:06
dimsum_thx! :) casual friday16:06
dhellmannok, bknudson, the solution dimsum_ and I just agreed on was to port the incubated modules to use oslo.utils, and sync those changes over along with anything else needed to use oslo.utils16:06
bknudsondhellmann: ok, that's what I was thinking would be the solution.16:06
dhellmannbknudson: the main concern I had was that would require projects that needed patches to any of those incubator modules to adopt oslo.utils16:07
dhellmannI suppose we can always create a branch later, if we need to16:07
bknudsony, too bad for them.16:08
dimsum_L)16:08
dimsum_:)16:08
bknudsonall they have to do is import it16:08
bknudsonI mean put it in their requirements16:08
dhellmannthis also brought up the idea for us to change the process in kilo, and create a branch early in the cycle then delete modules from master16:08
dhellmannbknudson, well, if they don't make the full change they'll have this same problem but in reverse -- their app code will use the incubated utils modules and some incubated code will use the library16:09
dhellmannunder the new plan, backports to the incubator would go into the branch, not into master16:10
dhellmannI'll have to discuss that with ttx, but think about it16:10
dhellmannanything else on that topic?16:10
dhellmannmoving on, then16:11
dhellmann#topic Red flags for/from liaisons16:11
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dhellmannliaisons, how were things this week?16:11
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bknudsonfor keystone...16:11
bknudsonwe tried to switch to the new oslo.config config file generator16:11
bknudsonbecause apparently the script doesn't support macos16:11
bknudsonwe ran into a few things and opened bugs and proposed fixes16:12
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113940/16:12
bknudson1) oslo-incubator config options aren't listed16:12
bknudson2) the config options are in alphabetical order16:12
dhellmann(that's the link I just posted)16:12
dhellmannhmm, does that matter?16:12
bknudsonthen there was another one in rtc16:12
bknudsondhellmann: it's a usability issue... the order they were in using oslo-incubator groups related options16:13
bknudson3) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114031/16:13
dhellmannbknudson: ok, we do have explicit groups for that, but I can see where the ordering would be useful to be able to control16:13
bknudsonSet sample_default for rpc_zmq_host16:13
bknudson#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/135659116:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1356591 in oslo "oslo-config-generator alphabetizes options" [Medium,Triaged]16:14
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dhellmannI've put those on my priority list for later today16:15
dhellmannand we'll mention them again later when we talk about weekly priorities16:15
dhellmannis there anything else we should talk about?16:15
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dhellmannok, let's keep going then16:16
dhellmann#topic Need someone to run the meeting for the next 2 weeks (dhellmann)16:16
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dhellmannI’m traveling on the next 2 Fridays and need someone to lead those meetings. Volunteers?16:16
dhellmannI'll be around on other days, it just so happens that my travel falls on friday twice in a row16:17
dimsum_dhellmann: i can run the first one16:17
dhellmann#info dimsum to chair the meeting next week16:17
dhellmannthanks, dimsum_ :-)16:18
beekneemechI should be able to do the other.16:18
dhellmann#info beekneemech to chair the meeting in 2 weeks16:18
dhellmannthanks, beekneemech16:18
dhellmann#topic Adoption status16:18
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dhellmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status16:18
dhellmanndo we have any updates to mention here?16:18
dhellmannI think next cycle I'm going to use a wiki page for this so we can subscribe to edits :-)16:18
dimsum_dhellmann: oslo.vmware is ongoing (Nova)16:19
dhellmannmaybe even bugs16:19
pblahodhellmann: tuskar is going to adopt oslo.db ...16:19
dhellmanndimsum_: ok, good, could you add a section to the etherpad with that? I assume there will be cinder work, too?16:19
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dhellmannpblaho: good!16:19
dimsum_dhellmann: y, glance and cinder16:19
dimsum_dhellmann: will do16:20
dhellmanndimsum_: thanks16:20
jecareyoslo.i18n merged for cinder16:20
dhellmannjecarey: \o/16:20
dhellmannthis is usually the happy part of the meeting :-)16:20
jd__is it possible to merge any oslo thing for cinder?16:21
jd__I've got a patch to update oslo.policy stuck for months16:21
jd__PITA16:21
dhellmannjd__: hrm, link?16:21
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dhellmannis our cinder liaison here today?16:21
jd__https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78614/16:22
dhellmannjd__: I'll talk to Duncan16:22
jd__I think oslo-incubator in cinder has not been updated for a long time16:22
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dhellmannyeah, if they don't want to take the updates they may have to wait for libraries for fixes and features, at this point16:23
dhellmannare we blocked with adoption anywhere else?16:23
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dhellmannok, I've pinged the cinder folks, so let's see what happens16:24
dhellmann#topic oslo.serialization graduation status16:24
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dhellmann#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/graduate-oslo-serialization16:24
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dhellmannI've lost track of who is actually running this one. beekneemech the bp is assigned to you, but I think there were others helping?16:25
* dimsum_ is helping - 3 reviews in flight - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.serialization,n,z16:25
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beekneemechYep ^16:25
dhellmannok, good16:26
beekneemechI think I might have had an infra change pending too.  Let me check.16:26
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beekneemech#link https://review.openstack.org/11299416:26
dimsum_beekneemech: there was a governance repo review from you16:26
beekneemechYeah, governance merged.  projects.txt merged.16:26
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dimsum_cool16:26
beekneemechJust the devstack-gate change left to go I think.16:27
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dhellmannok, the governance ones are mostly procedural, ttx approves those after I +1 as long as there's no objection16:27
dhellmannbeekneemech: ok, good16:27
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dhellmann#topic oslo.concurrency graduation status16:27
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dhellmannamrith, YorikSar, I have a paste-bomb with some of your requests coming...16:27
dhellmann#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/graduate-oslo-concurrency16:28
dhellmannamrith and YorkSar have a few changes to be merged in the incubator related to the concurrency code16:28
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109417/16:28
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109469/16:28
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110933/16:28
dhellmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Graduation16:28
dhellmannour general policy is to allow back ports in the incubator, but since the concurrency repo is being imported we should wait until that is done, then merge the changes in the library, then in the incubator16:28
dhellmannthoughts?16:28
YorikSarFrom what we've clarified on #openstack-oslo, we can land all those changes to concurrency repo once it's created and then backport them to incubator.16:29
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YorikSardhellmann: Yes.16:29
beekneemechI'd rather wait.  It's a nightmare trying to sync both directions once the repo gets created.16:29
dhellmannexactly16:29
* beekneemech says from experience16:29
dhellmannok, so as long as everyone is ok with that, I think it's settled16:29
YorikSarAlthough amrith wanted to get them in incubator as fast as we can, but we'll definitely have synchronization issues otherwise.16:29
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dhellmannright, I'm more worried about having things diverge16:30
YorikSarbeekneemech: Agree.16:30
dhellmannlet's see if infra can set up the repo for us today16:30
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YorikSarI'll ping them one more time.16:30
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YorikSarWe also have hot discussion going on around lockutils16:30
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dhellmannYorikSar: fungi is usually pretty responsive, but I don't know if the team is busy with their own work today16:31
YorikSar#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043090.html16:31
dimsum_YorikSar: thanks for taking it to ML16:31
* dhellmann is behind on the ML16:31
beekneemechThat's a fun one. ;-)16:31
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YorikSarI've created an etherpad and most of discussion is there.16:31
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dhellmannis this the posix lock/process lifetime issue?16:31
YorikSardhellmann: Yes. It was :)16:31
beekneemechAmong other things16:31
dhellmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lockutils-issues16:31
YorikSarNow that's about may be removing POSIX locks and using only file locks entirely.16:32
dhellmannYorikSar, beekneemech, jd__ : would tooz help with this?16:32
YorikSar(amongst other options)16:32
beekneemechdhellmann: I don't think so.  tooz is using this backend for its IPC locks.16:32
dhellmann:-/16:32
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jd__dhellmann: help no, but it'll be related at some point16:32
YorikSarThat's another question I have. I thought that tooz is for distributed locking and lockutils is for local locking.16:32
beekneemechlockutils unfortunately also got used for distributed locking because it was the only thing available at the time.16:33
dhellmannok, I need to absorbe this, there's a lot of info here16:33
jd__IPC is distributed accross process16:33
dhellmannis there a consensus emerging about the approach?16:33
* jd__ naiiiiled it16:33
beekneemech:-)16:34
dhellmannjd__: nothing but net16:34
YorikSardhellmann: Well... I'm not sure yet.16:34
beekneemechI wouldn't call it anything like consensus, no. :-(16:34
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YorikSarI think we need more people to weigh in.16:35
dhellmannok, I'll catch up on the discussion and see if I can add anything to it, but I think there are probably other people we need to have involved so let's approach them directly and ask them to get involved in the ML thread16:36
YorikSarAlthough I can see reverting to file locking and finally merging lockutils to pylockfile entirelly as a good enough option...16:36
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fungidhellmann: YorikSar: i'll take a look--get me urls in #-infra at your convenience16:37
dhellmannfungi: thanks!16:37
YorikSarfungi: done16:37
dhellmannYorikSar: that approach seems ok, but we should look at the history of why we moved to posix locks before jumping back and reintroducing an old problem16:37
beekneemechjd__: is probably the one to answer that.16:38
beekneemechI _think_ the only reason was to remove the need for lock_path being set.16:38
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YorikSardhellmann: We'll need a lot of input from operators here.16:38
jd__it was an optimization16:38
YorikSardhellmann: If lock_path is set correctly by everyone anyway, then we can safely move to it.16:38
dhellmannYorikSar: should we start asking for that now, or wait until we have a proposal for a change?16:38
jd__I think going back to file and moving to sysv/tooz later is ok16:38
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beekneemechWhich we had actually discussed addressing in a different way.16:38
YorikSardhellmann: I think we should wait for our discussion to settle a bit first.16:39
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dhellmannjd__, beekneemech : could you work on adding the details of that change to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lockutils-issues16:39
dhellmannYorikSar: ok16:39
dimsum_we should just have multiple impls :)16:39
jd__k16:40
beekneemechWe could, but we need a sane default anyway for the existing consumers.16:40
dhellmanndimsum_: if there's some sort of fundamental issue with one, we wouldn't want anyone to actually use it, right?16:40
dhellmannjd__: thanks16:40
dimsum_dhellmann: right16:40
YorikSarjd__: We shouldn't first go back to file locks just to go to SysV locks later. We should pick one direction an follow it.16:40
dhellmannYorikSar: perhaps, but if we consider this a critical problem a short-term fix followed by a different longer term fix might be appropriate16:41
* jd__ needs to read it first16:41
dhellmannwe're not going to resolve it today, I think, so let's keep going16:41
jd__k16:41
dhellmann#topic bug fix for mask_password16:41
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YorikSardhellmann: There are rather clear implementation plans for every direction in the etherpad...16:41
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YorikSardhellmann: Sure16:41
dhellmann#undo16:42
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dhellmannYorikSar: ok, that may change my opinion then16:42
dhellmann#topic bug fix for mask_password16:42
dhellmannamrith has a patch to mask_password, which is part of strutils in the incubator but is going to move to oslo.log later16:42
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113407/16:42
dhellmannthis one I think we can merge now, since it changes something that isn’t in a library yet16:42
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dhellmanndimsum_, amrith, and I discussed this a bit on irc right before the meeting today16:42
dhellmannI've also proposed a change to update the oslo.log spec:16:43
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/11457916:43
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dimsum_net is...mask_password will live in oslo.utils and oslo.log will depend on oslo.utils16:44
dhellmannoh, actually, I didn't update my notes for the meeting after we talked, so that resolution I pasted above is wrong -- we're going to put mask_password in oslo.utils.strutils so that no libraries have to depend on oslo.log16:44
dhellmannyep16:44
beekneemechWorks for me.16:45
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dhellmanngood16:45
dhellmann#topic oslo.utils release review16:46
YorikSarSo what should be the way for amrith?16:46
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YorikSarShould he propose change to oslo.utils first?16:46
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dhellmanndimsum_: did we say merge amrith's patch first, the move, or do them separately?16:46
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dimsum_dhellmann: we did not talk about that16:47
dhellmannwe can easily land a patch to put the function in oslo.utils, so I'm not sure it matters16:47
dimsum_+116:47
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YorikSarSo fix function first, add it to oslo.utils later, rught?16:48
dhellmannlet's move the function as-is to oslo.utils, since it is under graduation, and then backport the change to incubator16:48
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dhellmannthat's in keeping with our current policies, and I don't think it will delay amrith much because we'll land our move patch quickly16:48
dimsum_+1 to dhellmann's suggestion16:48
YorikSardhellmann: Ok, got it.16:48
dhellmanndimsum_, can you start the move patch today?16:48
beekneemechAgreed.16:48
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dhellmannif not we can find another volunteer16:48
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dimsum_+1 i will16:49
dhellmanndimsum_: thanks16:49
dhellmann#action dimsum_ propose patch adding mask_password to oslo.utils.strutils16:49
YorikSarGreat16:49
dhellmannanything else for oslo.utils?16:49
YorikSarNot from me :)16:49
dhellmann:-)16:49
dhellmann#topic oslo.db release review16:49
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dhellmannrpodolyaka, do you have any updates for us?16:50
dhellmannor need anything?16:50
rpodolyakastill waiting for a few patches to be merged into consuming projects16:50
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rpodolyakaand you are welcome to review the patches in oslo.db :)16:50
dhellmannrpodolyaka: ok, are those patches in other projects blocked at all in a way that I can help with?16:51
rpodolyakathere are a few of them which needs second +216:51
dhellmannrpodolyaka: any day now I'm going to keep my promise of doing more reviews :-)16:51
dhellmannrpodolyaka: if you email me a list, I can bring it up at the cross-project meeting next week16:51
rpodolyakadhellmann: probably just a lack of reviewers in glance  or cinder16:51
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rpodolyakaI know they had a midcycle meetup this week (cinder)16:51
rpodolyakaand we updated the patch the day before yesterday16:52
dhellmannrpodolyaka: ok, maybe bring it up in #openstack-cinder to see if anyone is listening there16:52
rpodolyakadhellmann: sure!16:52
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rpodolyakaso I hope we'll a cut a new release next week16:53
dhellmannjd__: looks like cinder is going to take another look at your patch (see #openstack-cinder)16:53
rpodolyakathis one will contain mysql-connector fixes16:53
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rpodolyakaand yeah, please vote in the thread in which I nominated zzzeek for the oslo.db core reviewers team :)16:54
dhellmannrpodolyaka: yes, I think we should mention to the projects that this is blocking a release, but that we're not going to block forever and it may break their app -- the changes should be pretty small, so I think we just need to raise awareness16:54
dhellmannrpodolyaka: oh, yeah, good :-)16:54
rpodolyakadhellmann: agreed16:54
dhellmannis there anything else on oslo.db?16:54
rpodolyakathat's all I have for now16:55
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rpodolyakaviktors , i159 are both on PTO and zzzeek seems to be missing now16:55
dhellmannzzzeek sent me email that he had a conflict today16:55
dhellmannjust a few minutes left, so let's talk about...16:55
dhellmann#topic review priorities for this week16:55
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dhellmannwe had a few mentioned earlier in the meeting16:56
dhellmannthe mask_password patch is a good candidate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113407/16:56
dhellmannadding list_opts to incubated modules: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113940/16:56
dhellmannSet sample_default for rpc_zmq_host: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114031/16:56
dhellmannoslo.serialization: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.serialization,n,z16:56
dhellmannas well as oslo.db16:56
rpodolyakahttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.db,n,z16:56
dhellmannthanks, rpodolyaka16:56
dhellmanndoes anyone have anything they want us to focus on that's not mentioned there?16:56
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dhellmannoh, you should all also check out the fancy new dashboard link on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Review_Links16:57
* dhellmann is improving his gerrit query skills16:57
rpodolyakanice!16:57
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dhellmannwe'll have to update the list of graduating libraries for that part of the page to stay current, but that won't change very often16:58
dhellmann2 minutes left for16:59
dhellmann#topic open discussion16:59
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YorikSarWe just got oslo.concurrency repo creating merged in. Thanks, fungi!16:59
dhellmannthanks, fungi!16:59
beekneemech\o/16:59
YorikSarSo we might need to change that list already ;)16:59
dimswoot16:59
dhellmannand good work, YorikSar16:59
fungiyw16:59
beekneemechI had a question about what to do with things like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87375/16:59
dhellmann#action make sure oslo.concurrency is in the graduating libs query for the dashboard16:59
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dhellmannoh, good question, beekneemech17:00
beekneemechIt touches a bunch of files that are graduating, but backporting fixes from all of them is going to be awful.17:00
dhellmannlucky for me we're out of time :-)17:00
beekneemech:-)17:00
dhellmannseriously, let me look at the patch and see if I can come up with a suggestion17:00
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beekneemechSounds good17:00
dhellmannthis may reinforce my idea of early branching and deleting from master17:01
beekneemechHmm, true.17:01
dhellmannwe're over time, thanks for coming everyone, good discussion and progress this week17:01
dhellmannkeep it up!17:01
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*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"17:01
openstackMeeting ended Fri Aug 15 17:01:40 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)17:01
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-08-15-16.00.html17:01
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-08-15-16.00.txt17:01
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-08-15-16.00.log.html17:01
pblahobye17:02
rpodolyakathanks everyone! bye!17:02
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