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| samstav | #startmeeting satori | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 25 15:02:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samstav. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:02 |
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| zns | #startmeeting satori | 15:03 |
| openstack | zns: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 15:03 |
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| samstav | Who's here for satori? | 15:04 |
| zns | o/ | 15:04 |
| samstav | Should be fairly quick today. Last week's meeting was mostly assigning items, and it looks like most of them were completed. | 15:05 |
| samstav | #action items | 15:05 |
| samstav | #topic action items | 15:05 |
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| samstav | I finished the implementation for the "allow non sudo escalation blueprint" and it was merged. | 15:06 |
| samstav | Also finished the implementation for the "remain open post remote execute" blueprint. It was also merged. | 15:06 |
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| samstav | #link https://github.com/stackforge/satori/commit/bfb8247f541023860935b952d04738fb2d2d3df9 | 15:06 |
| zns | And those made it into the new release... | 15:06 |
| samstav | #link https://github.com/stackforge/satori/commit/31aa43591d00f93f85bc3ade7d9a80aad36b8b19 | 15:06 |
| samstav | Great. Which version is that now zns? | 15:07 |
| zns | v0.1.5 - https://pypi.python.org/pypi/satori/0.1.5 | 15:07 |
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| samstav | Cool. The only outstanding item is for n1ck-o | 15:08 |
| samstav | Which I'll go ahead and push forward. | 15:08 |
| zns | What item was that? | 15:08 |
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| samstav | #action n1ck-o Implementation for blueprint: check if powershell version is supported before trying PoSh-Ohai | 15:08 |
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| zns | Cool | 15:08 |
| samstav | That's it for action items. | 15:09 |
| samstav | #topic general discussion | 15:09 |
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| zns | What are we using for python 3 instead of eventlet? | 15:09 |
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| zns | Or do we depend on event let at all now? | 15:09 |
| samstav | We don't strictly depend on it now | 15:09 |
| zns | Excellent. | 15:10 |
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| samstav | The import is checked, and falls back to stdlib threading | 15:10 |
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| samstav | #link https://github.com/stackforge/satori/blob/master/satori/__init__.py#L17-L21 | 15:10 |
| zns | Thanks | 15:10 |
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| samstav | of course. The agenda has no other specifics for this week. We should probably schedule some topics for discussion in the next couple weeks | 15:12 |
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| samstav | In the near future we'll add the monitoring agent sys info provider | 15:12 |
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| zns | We should discuss roadmap and some of the outstanding roadmap, but I'm not sure what/when we'll get to that. We'll see what comes out of using v0.1.5 internally at Rackspace. | 15:13 |
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| samstav | That sounds good | 15:13 |
| samstav | I'm going to note these two things | 15:14 |
| samstav | #idea monitoring agent sysinfo provider | 15:14 |
| samstav | #idea support ssl/tls related checks in satori | 15:14 |
| samstav | That's it, then, I think. Anything else? | 15:16 |
| zns | Thanks. Good by me. | 15:16 |
| samstav | cool. Until next week. Adios | 15:16 |
| samstav | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 25 15:16:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-08-25-15.02.html | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-08-25-15.02.txt | 15:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-08-25-15.02.log.html | 15:16 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 25 19:02:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:03 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 19:03 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 19:03 |
| davidlenwell | we seem to not have anyone else. | 19:04 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | :( | 19:04 |
| zehicle_at_dell | I made progress on the weekend, so there is somethign to discuss | 19:04 |
| zehicle_at_dell | and I'll talk to Surgey & Julia tomorrow AM | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | I also made progress nad have much to discuss | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | elephant in the room, status of refstack-client changes, status of uuid's for tests, status of code deprecation, open discussion | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | but catherine is not here to talk about her parts.. | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | I might have to go back down to the south bay later this week and get her back in the fold | 19:05 |
| zehicle_at_dell | ah, those are critical | 19:06 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we also need to coordinate adding back the tests into havanacore.json | 19:06 |
| davidlenwell | yes .. So I've been having some sideline discussions with folks about what is the best way to go about this | 19:06 |
| zehicle_at_dell | since the original pass had errors. I wanted to be able to use the review process to make changes there instead of having to update the existing patch | 19:06 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | and interactive/share screen meeting about the tests for havana and iceohouse would be useful | 19:07 |
| davidlenwell | well I move that we postpone this meeting until I can get ahold of catherine .. you and I can have whatever discussions we need to have offline .. or with the folks from marantis | 19:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | there's interest in getting the HTML page javascript thing working better too | 19:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | +1 | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. | 19:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | can we move my 3 patches into trunk? | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | already did | 19:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | yeah! thanks | 19:08 |
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| zehicle_at_dell | I'm at the ops summit | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | oh .. two of the three | 19:08 |
| zehicle_at_dell | we're talking about specs | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | lol | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 19:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 25 19:09:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-08-25-19.02.html | 19:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-08-25-19.02.txt | 19:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-08-25-19.02.log.html | 19:09 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 25 20:01:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| redrobot | It's that time already | 20:01 |
| redrobot | :) | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | As usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
| redrobot | looks like we didn't have any action items since last week. | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | *from last week | 20:02 |
| redrobot | so let's move right along to this week's topics | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:03 |
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| SheenaG11 | o/ | 20:03 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:03 |
| kaitlin-farr | o/ | 20:03 |
| chellygel | \o/ | 20:03 |
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| jvrbanac | _O/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | ^^ jvrbanac has a big head | 20:04 |
| jvrbanac | lol | 20:04 |
| woodster_ | \o | 20:04 |
| redrobot | ok, lots of barbicaneers | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I like it | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #topic CR Sizes | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CR Sizes (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:05 | |
| redrobot | I think we've talked about this before, but it's always nice to have a reminder | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | jvrbanac did you want to bring up anything specific? | 20:05 |
| jvrbanac | Not specific no. I just think we need to try to be mindful of CR sizes. It makes quick turn arounds on CRs quite difficult | 20:06 |
| jvrbanac | It would be preferred if we could work better to split of our work, so it reduces the time burden on reviewers. | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #agreed please try to keep CRs small. Big CRs take time to review, and slow down things for everyone. | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | ok, then, moving on | 20:08 |
| reaperhulk | o/ (Oops) | 20:09 |
| redrobot | #topic String interpoation in logging calls | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | Ok, so the question was raised by rellerreller about the guidelines for when to use which syntax for string interpolation | 20:10 |
| rellerreller | Yes, what is the deal with log.debug printing? | 20:10 |
| rellerreller | Should we use the old style %s or the new style with {}? There seems to be conflicting information about this. | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | My preference is that we use new-style "{curly}".format(curly="syntax") | 20:11 |
| redrobot | but | 20:11 |
| reaperhulk | that's string interpolation, not log.debug | 20:11 |
| woodster_ | so log.debug('something: %s', something) vs log.debug('something {0}.format(somthing))? | 20:11 |
| reaperhulk | log.debug should use % because the interpolation is not performed if you aren't logging at that level | 20:12 |
| redrobot | the concern is that there is a performance penalty when inlining .format in a logging call that is below the configured logging level | 20:12 |
| redrobot | ie. log.debug("{0} | 20:12 |
| woodster_ | the former form doesn't process/format that 'something' input if debug level logging is turned off | 20:12 |
| redrobot | woodster_ correct | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | to add to the confusion, python loggers don't understand new-style formatting | 20:13 |
| woodster_ | So that's the motivation for the comma-delimited form of logging | 20:13 |
| woodster_ | yes, that is unfortunate | 20:14 |
| redrobot | so log.debug("{something}", "something") blows up | 20:14 |
| reaperhulk | I don't think it's unreasonable to use old-style in logger and new-style everywhere else. | 20:14 |
| woodster_ | Esp. if there is a performance benefit | 20:14 |
| woodster_ | string manipulation under load is actually surprisingly processor intensive | 20:14 |
| reaperhulk | lots of memory copies :) | 20:15 |
| woodster_ | ...esp. if htere are lots of debug statements | 20:15 |
| redrobot | rellerreller does it sound reasonable to you to use new-style formatting everywhere, except for logging? | 20:15 |
| rellerreller | So should we say that all new code must use % style for log statement? | 20:15 |
| rellerreller | Yes, I'm ok with either style. | 20:16 |
| reaperhulk | +1 from me on that. | 20:16 |
| rellerreller | I just want to make sure it is consistent whichever format we choose. | 20:16 |
| redrobot | rellerreller yes, but that's not enough.... since we also have to ensure that we're not inlining the % operation, but rather passing the values as arguments to the log statement | 20:16 |
| redrobot | sounds like we're in agreement then | 20:16 |
| rellerreller | redrobot agreed | 20:16 |
| reaperhulk | This could potentially be automated with a flake8 extension, but that's an idea for the future... | 20:17 |
| reaperhulk | Unless somebody really likes to play around in AST-land | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #agreed Prefer new-style formatting everywhere, except for logging. | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #agreed Logging should be done using old-style formatting, passing the values as arguments to the log call | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | #topic Python 3 support | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller do you want to talk about this? | 20:18 |
| rellerreller | Yes, please. | 20:18 |
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| rellerreller | We tried pushing a global requirements change to add PyKMIP. We met some resistance because PyKMIP did not yet have Python 3 support. | 20:18 |
| rellerreller | Does anyone know the OpenStack plan for Python 3 migration? Are there things we should be doing now within Barbican to help with that migration? | 20:18 |
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| reaperhulk | OpenStack has a general plan for migrating to Python 3 on a nebulous time frame | 20:19 |
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| rellerreller | i.e. should we be looking for things in code reviews that support Python 3 or are only supported in Python 2? | 20:19 |
| reaperhulk | The primary blockers are things like eventlet (which has partial py3 support in github master but not in a released branch) | 20:19 |
| reaperhulk | We should look at adding a py3 flake8 job to barbican. This would prevent the introduction of non-py3 compliant syntax | 20:19 |
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| reaperhulk | but we can't do a real py3 gate until eventlet is ported | 20:20 |
| rellerreller | reaperhulk I was thinking the same thing | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | we could also add a non-voting python3 gate to barbican | 20:20 |
| reaperhulk | I actually submitted a CR several months ago (and was merged) that fixed all syntax issues on py3 | 20:20 |
| reaperhulk | but new ones may have appeared since we don't gate | 20:20 |
| reaperhulk | I'm neutral on a non-voting py3 gate since it's guaranteed to fail for the foreseeable future | 20:21 |
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| rellerreller | Does eventlet have a time frame for when they will support Py3? | 20:21 |
| reaperhulk | rellerreller: I'm happy to take a look at pyKMIP for py3 compat if you've got it up somewhere though. I write a lot of py2/py3 code for pyca/cryptography :) | 20:21 |
| reaperhulk | rellerreller: no timeframe, but there's a set of issues listed on the eventlet github page https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/issues | 20:22 |
| rellerreller | reaperhulk thanks, but I think we are good. kaitlin-farr is working on this, and I think she should be done in the next day or two. | 20:22 |
| woodster_ | I think only the oslo-incubator code would hard fail py3. If we can exclude that folder path, we could probably have a python 3 gate | 20:23 |
| reaperhulk | oh hey, 0.15 actually does add py3 support but it is listed as "not ready yet" | 20:23 |
| reaperhulk | so eventlet is getting pretty close | 20:23 |
| reaperhulk | we could add a py3 flake8 gate tomorrow (and probably should). | 20:23 |
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| woodster_ | I thought Guido wanted to kill eventlet in py3? :) | 20:23 |
| woodster_ | the only place outside of incubator eventlet is imported is the bin/barbican-worker.py script | 20:25 |
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| reaperhulk | doesn't webob use eventlet. | 20:26 |
| reaperhulk | (maybe not, that should be a question mark) | 20:26 |
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| jvrbanac | reaperhulk, woodster_, oslo.messaging depends on eventlet as well | 20:27 |
| reaperhulk | that's one we kinda use :D | 20:28 |
| woodster_ | I was hoping the gate was just analyzing the barbican source for py3 violation, rather than looking at all dependencies as well | 20:28 |
| reaperhulk | tricky to do with tox (which likes to install the package + dependencies) | 20:29 |
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| reaperhulk | we talked about doing this in a swift session at the atlanta summit actually | 20:30 |
| reaperhulk | https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/tox.ini | 20:30 |
| redrobot | reaperhulk how does py3 linting in flake8 work? is it a suite of additional rules like hacking? | 20:30 |
| reaperhulk | I believe it just invokes the interpreter | 20:30 |
| reaperhulk | but check out the py3pep8 job in the swift tox | 20:30 |
| reaperhulk | that's pretty much what we'll need to do | 20:30 |
| redrobot | I see | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | reaperhulk would you be able to add that? | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | also, is this a voting gate for swift? | 20:33 |
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| reaperhulk | yeah I can add that tox job for sure | 20:34 |
| reaperhulk | let me look at whether it's voting | 20:34 |
| redrobot | #action reaperhulk to add a py3pep8 tox job | 20:35 |
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| reaperhulk | looks like it is not yet a gate for them (they have a lot of syntax to clean up still apparently) | 20:35 |
| redrobot | ok, so just a tox job for now, it is | 20:38 |
| redrobot | any more questions/concerns about py3 ? | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | I am good. This helped me a lot. | 20:39 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:40 |
| redrobot | actually, that's all I had in the agenda | 20:40 |
| woodster_ | Just an FYI that I've added more meat to this validator etherpad from last week: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-validation-options | 20:41 |
| redrobot | #topic Plugin Validation | 20:41 |
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| woodster_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-validation-options | 20:41 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-validation-options | 20:41 |
| woodster_ | ha, sorry! | 20:42 |
| redrobot | JINX! | 20:42 |
| woodster_ | I still had it in my paste queue | 20:42 |
| alee | woodster_, will take a look at it tommorow morning | 20:43 |
| redrobot | is this something we're trying to land in Juno? | 20:43 |
| woodster_ | So we've talked about replacing the hard-coded validation (esp. around algorithm, bit-length) with calls to the plugins themselves. This is the subject of the etherpad. | 20:43 |
| alee | but it would be nice to land in juno | 20:43 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: we probably need to land in Juno, so we can leverage the Dogtag and KMIP generation features? | 20:43 |
| redrobot | ok... just concerned that j3 is around the corner | 20:44 |
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| woodster_ | well, I think we are talking about maybe adding a new method to the secret_store.py interface...no changes to the API. | 20:44 |
| redrobot | woodster_ yeah... just reminded myself we spoke about this earlier | 20:45 |
| alee | woodster_, I'm for option 2 | 20:46 |
| alee | woodster_, and your example there isn't contrived. in fact, I'm coding that right now. | 20:46 |
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| woodster_ | ha, score one for the blind sow! | 20:47 |
| woodster_ | so it seems we'd be ok with having such plugin-validaiton show up before the final Juno release? | 20:49 |
| alee | woodster_, to be honest, I think most of the validation is already there in the supports() method. | 20:50 |
| redrobot | It would be nice to get into j3, but I'm ok with it being part of juno final. | 20:50 |
| alee | woodster_, certainly kmip and dogtag have both done validation in the supports() method | 20:50 |
| * redrobot still thinks supporting only one plugin at a time would be way easier :) | 20:50 | |
| alee | with respect to the key_spec | 20:51 |
| alee | the validation that is there already is probably sufficient for now | 20:51 |
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| alee | we need to think about what further validations are needed --- if any. | 20:51 |
| rellerreller | I am confused why validate is needed. I pictured initial validation from Barbican core making sure types are correct (i.e. string, int, etc), but supports does what it does now. | 20:51 |
| alee | so - for now at least, this task just means ripping out validations that area lready done based on the key_spec in the plugins | 20:52 |
| rellerreller | alee what? | 20:52 |
| alee | sorry - I think we agree with each other. | 20:53 |
| alee | rellerreller, right now there are validations that take place in barbican-core that need to be ripped out | 20:53 |
| rellerreller | alee +1 | 20:53 |
| alee | like only supporting AES for instance .. | 20:53 |
| woodster_ | my concern was that the supports() method is used to select and reject plugins. If the rejecting plugins also validate, they would need to issue exceptions saying what is wrong with the data. We'd have to keep looping until we found a plugin that didn't raise a validation exception. If they all throw validation exceptions, what do we send back to the | 20:54 |
| woodster_ | client as the root problem? 'AllPluginsSayDataStinksException'? :) | 20:54 |
| rellerreller | I think you would send back a message stating none of the plugins support the operation with the requested attributes. | 20:55 |
| alee | woodster_, we can add that method later if we choose to. Additional data validaion -- other than the key_spec --- ie. the data stinks -- occurs right now on the DRM/CA for dogtag | 20:55 |
| woodster_ | redrobot might be on to something about just one plugin :) The issue is when one switches from one plugin type to another...after many secrets are stored the old way. You can't get rid of the old plugin in this case | 20:55 |
| alee | which returns the relevant error | 20:55 |
| woodster_ | alee: does it raise the validation sort of error? | 20:56 |
| rellerreller | I think it would help to define what validation does and what support does. | 20:56 |
| reaperhulk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116725/ (py3pep8 tox job) | 20:56 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: I tried to give a detailed example in that etherpad. | 20:56 |
| alee | woodster_, yes it does | 20:57 |
| woodster_ | I'm fine with starting with supports() initially and and adding validate() later if it makes sense | 20:57 |
| woodster_ | alee: thanks | 20:57 |
| alee | woodster_,+1 | 20:57 |
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| rellerreller | woodster_ +1 | 20:57 |
| alee | woodster_, as we consider adding the new common cert api, we'll likely have to add some validation code. but this will likely be validation code in barbican-core | 20:58 |
| alee | we can revisit a validate() then | 20:58 |
| redrobot | eeek... running out of time here guys | 20:59 |
| alee | but we still need to remove the bad validations in barbican-core | 20:59 |
| woodster_ | Cool, I'll update the etherpad shortly. We'd probably have a CR up for that in the coming weeks then unless folks think it needs to be available sooner? | 20:59 |
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| alee | woodster_, would like to have the old validations removed by j3 | 20:59 |
| redrobot | +1 ^^ | 21:00 |
| woodster_ | will do | 21:00 |
| rm_work | Really quickly I'd like to plug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115080/ for basic reviews -- I still need to refactor the factory methods to use explicit args instead of **kwargs, but I'd love feedback on the overall design. I know people hate reviewing WIP stuff, but this is pretty close and the basic architecture is solid at this point (though since it's in the client, it can wait until after the Juno-3 crunch is over if | 21:00 |
| rm_work | people are busy) | 21:00 |
| redrobot | ok, guys we're all out of time here | 21:00 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 25 21:00:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| rm_work | HA got it | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-08-25-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-08-25-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-08-25-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
| rm_work | by like, seconds :P | 21:00 |
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