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| bnemec | #startmeeting oslo | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Aug 29 16:01:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
| bnemec | Who have we got today? | 16:01 |
| bknudson | me | 16:01 |
| i159 | o/ | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
| viktors | hi! | 16:01 |
| tedross | here | 16:01 |
| bnemec | \o everyone | 16:02 |
| YorikSar_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| bnemec | dhellmann_ is unavailable again this week, so you're stuck with me. :-) | 16:02 |
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| bnemec | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:03 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann approach the other integrated projects who have not started work on oslo.i18n | 16:03 |
| bnemec | Postponed until rc timeframe. | 16:03 |
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| bnemec | This is probably not going to happen until K at this point. | 16:03 |
| bnemec | dimsum_ propose patch adding mask_password to oslo.utils.strutils | 16:03 |
| bknudson | some are using oslo.i18n and some are not? | 16:04 |
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| bnemec | I think dims is out today too. | 16:04 |
| bnemec | bknudson: I think so. | 16:04 |
| zzzeek | o/ | 16:04 |
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| YorikSar | bnemec: I think that has already been merged | 16:05 |
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| bnemec | YorikSar: Oh, right. I think I knew that. :-) | 16:05 |
| bnemec | So we'll call that one done. | 16:05 |
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| bnemec | make sure oslo.concurrency is in the graduating libs query for the dashboard | 16:05 |
| bnemec | dhellmann_ tells me this is done too. All of the oslo.* libraries should be included now automatically. | 16:05 |
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| bnemec | cores to look at zzzeek's patches https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.db+branch:master+topic:use-dispatch-for-engine-init,n,z | 16:06 |
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| zzzeek | jsut that one left | 16:06 |
| bknudson | do I have to change keystone? | 16:06 |
| bnemec | Okay, so good progress on that one. | 16:07 |
| bnemec | bknudson: For which part? | 16:07 |
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| bknudson | use-dispatch-for-engine-init | 16:07 |
| zzzeek | bknudson: how so | 16:07 |
| bknudson | I haven't been following the changes so don't know if it's changing something in the initialization? | 16:08 |
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| zzzeek | bknudson: it is, within oslo.db, it uses a different system to organize how the engine is set up | 16:08 |
| zzzeek | bknudson: shoudln’t have impacts on how that engine behaves | 16:08 |
| bnemec | It's not intended to be visible to users though, right? | 16:08 |
| bknudson | pl | 16:08 |
| bknudson | ok | 16:08 |
| zzzeek | bknudson: the most major change is that last one, where we change how the sqlite driver does begin/commit, so that savepoints work | 16:09 |
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| bnemec | So no changes should be needed. If any issues come up contact zzzeek? | 16:10 |
| zzzeek | bnemec: yup | 16:10 |
| bnemec | Awesome | 16:10 |
| bnemec | bnemec and dims to try get oslo.serialization out next week | 16:10 |
| bnemec | Done: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044172.html | 16:10 |
| bnemec | dims to chase oslo.utils adoption in stables branches | 16:10 |
| bknudson | I'm not sure that projects are going to want to be switching to the library this late in the release cycle. | 16:11 |
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| bnemec | Yeah, we might have to leave that one on the agenda for next week, and see if we still want to pursue that. | 16:11 |
| bnemec | raise this topic again next week - Better way to test oslo.libs releases don't break consuming projects | 16:12 |
| bnemec | I suspect we want to defer this discussion again. | 16:12 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann_ should probably be here for it, and I believe the cross-testing work has been pushed back to K now. | 16:12 |
| bnemec | viktors to look at merging run_cross_tests.sh in oslo.db | 16:13 |
| viktors | I tested run_cross_tests.sh script, it works fine for me, if I run test on a single project. But I'd like to have a some tool, which will run tests on all (or only integrated?) projects. Something like `tox -e cross-project-tests` Anyway, test for all integrated projects will take a few hours locally :( | 16:13 |
| bnemec | Yeah, it takes a while. | 16:13 |
| bnemec | viktors: So is run_cross_tests.sh in oslo.db now at least? | 16:13 |
| bknudson | it's tempest or unit tests? | 16:13 |
| rpodolyaka | viktors: well, it's better than nothing ;) | 16:14 |
| bnemec | bknudson: Unit tests | 16:14 |
| viktors | bnemec: no, I'll add it today or in monday | 16:14 |
| bnemec | I think tempest should already be running against master everything. | 16:14 |
| viktors | its not a silver-bullet fo me ( | 16:15 |
| bnemec | viktors: Okay, I'll leave that one on for next week too. | 16:15 |
| bnemec | #action viktors to look at merging run_cross_tests.sh in oslo.db | 16:15 |
| YorikSar | We should have Zuul verifying every new release | 16:15 |
| viktors | YorikSar: +1 | 16:15 |
| YorikSar | Like run devstack jobs with it, for example. | 16:15 |
| YorikSar | And probably all python* jobs for all projects... | 16:16 |
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| bnemec | YorikSar: Yeah, I think that's the oslo.libs release item. | 16:16 |
| bnemec | Will keep that one for next week too. | 16:16 |
| YorikSar | And if we go this way we might want to run it for new libs from outside as well. | 16:16 |
| bnemec | #action Better way to test oslo.libs releases don't break consuming projects | 16:16 |
| bnemec | YorikSar: Yeah, that's getting into the "CI the world" discussion that actually goes beyond Oslo. | 16:17 |
| viktors | consuming projects == integrated projects? | 16:17 |
| viktors | or incubated also? | 16:17 |
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| bnemec | Probably just integrated to start. | 16:18 |
| bnemec | If we can figure that out then we can look into adding more. | 16:18 |
| bnemec | Okay, Mike's patches: | 16:19 |
| zzzeek | OK the hot item here is the blueprint | 16:19 |
| bnemec | per-test-run provisioning: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110486/ - a late request to rework the whole approach to use testresources has come in, and it is probably a good idea | 16:19 |
| bnemec | patches: engine setup, listener overhaul: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.db+branch:master+topic:use-dispatch-for-engine-init,n,z | 16:19 |
| zzzeek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117335/ | 16:19 |
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| bnemec | Phew 556 lines :-) | 16:20 |
| zzzeek | everyone get on the blueprint, i need to add some things and we can all agree on what we’re building | 16:20 |
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| zzzeek | well i triued to just push the patches through | 16:20 |
| zzzeek | but! complaints :) | 16:20 |
| zzzeek | definitely big enough to be a blueprint item. but the code is simpler than the descriptoin | 16:20 |
| rpodolyaka | :) | 16:20 |
| bnemec | #action Everyone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117335/ | 16:21 |
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| bnemec | zzzeek: Anything else? | 16:21 |
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| zzzeek | theres this library testresources, it’s robert collins’ thing, it is definitely clever but i think a little crazy. but he’s on board w/ helping, im totally fine using it if everyone else is | 16:21 |
| zzzeek | that’s my big push right now, otehr than that im really doing sqla upstream performance things and want to start presenting those soon | 16:21 |
| zzzeek | as oslo.db recipes/etc but thats defintiely not juno stuff | 16:22 |
| bnemec | Cool, sounds good. | 16:22 |
| * bnemec needs to read up on testresources | 16:22 | |
| zzzeek | yeah read the source :) | 16:22 |
| zzzeek | its all in __init__.py of course :) | 16:22 |
| bnemec | Heh | 16:22 |
| bknudson | we use it in python-keystoneclient tests | 16:22 |
| zzzeek | bknudson: yup. he wants to patch it in a special way though so it runs across the whole set of tests | 16:23 |
| bknudson | although the keystoneclient tests don't need it as much as a db would | 16:23 |
| zzzeek | bknudson: which we need. so that we can optimize tests across modules. needs the latest testtools version (e.g. a requirements bump) | 16:23 |
| zzzeek | so it’s a big deal | 16:23 |
| zzzeek | i had the whole thing working of course….but sure, testresources is much more luxury | 16:24 |
| zzzeek | :) | 16:24 |
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| bnemec | Okay, sounds like we know what direction we're headed there at least. | 16:25 |
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| bnemec | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:25 | |
| bnemec | Anything this week? | 16:25 |
| bknudson | none from keystone. | 16:25 |
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| bnemec | I would imagine this section will be getting quieter as the adoptions slow down late in the cycle. | 16:26 |
| bknudson | other than, as I said earlier, not sure if we'll be able to do anymore | 16:26 |
| bknudson | apparently we did a poor job of oslo.i18n and didn't switch to _LI, etc | 16:26 |
| bknudson | so I don't know when the translation cutoff is. | 16:27 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I think that's fine. We weren't expecting to get all of the libs adopted this cycle. Getting them graduated so they can be adopted early in K was more the plan. | 16:27 |
| zzzeek | does kilo start officially after the france summit that i have to miss? | 16:27 |
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| bnemec | I believe Kilo actually kicks off a bit before Summit. | 16:27 |
| zzzeek | ok | 16:27 |
| bknudson | probably a question for ttx as to when we'll have stable branches | 16:28 |
| bnemec | Yeah, so Juno is scheduled to release Oct. 16: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Releases | 16:28 |
| bknudson | 9/4 is string freeze. | 16:29 |
| bnemec | Coming right up then. | 16:29 |
| bnemec | bknudson: So your concern was that you adopted oslo.i18n but didn't switch to the new translation markers? | 16:30 |
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| bknudson | bnemec: right, so we've got a bunch of translations that are unnecessary. | 16:30 |
| bknudson | e.g., the debug logs | 16:30 |
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| bnemec | Ah, okay. I don't think that's the end of the world, it just means the Keystone translators won't be able to prioritize as well. | 16:31 |
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| bnemec | So that'll be a good change early in Kilo. | 16:32 |
| bnemec | Anything else on this topic? | 16:32 |
| bnemec | Moving on then. | 16:33 |
| bnemec | #topic Please review proposed changes to our incubator deprecation policy and respond on the ML | 16:33 |
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| bnemec | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044360.html | 16:33 |
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| bnemec | This is the proposal that we cut a stable branch early in the cycle and then delete the graduating libs from master. | 16:34 |
| bnemec | (IIRC) | 16:34 |
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| * bnemec still needs to give that thread a serious read | 16:34 | |
| bnemec | So everyone please take a look and respond with any comments. | 16:34 |
| bnemec | #topic Adoption status | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adoption status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:34 | |
| bnemec | Probably not going to be a lot of activity on this for a while too. | 16:35 |
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| bnemec | #topic Graduation status | 16:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Graduation status (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:36 | |
| bnemec | oslo.serialization is done! | 16:36 |
| bnemec | \o/ | 16:36 |
| bnemec | oslo.concurrency is underway still. | 16:36 |
| bnemec | And I think we just approved the oslo.middleware graduation spec. | 16:37 |
| bnemec | Did I miss anything? | 16:37 |
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| bnemec | #topic Release review | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:39 | |
| bnemec | I think the only one this week was oslo.serialization | 16:39 |
| bnemec | At least that's the only one I can find an announcement for since last week | 16:39 |
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| bnemec | #topic review priorities for this week | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review priorities for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:40 | |
| bnemec | blueprints and bugs targeted for juno | 16:41 |
| bnemec | taskflow, oslo.db, and pbr all need extra love! | 16:41 |
| bnemec | updating the graduation status of our libs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-incubator+branch:master+topic:update-graduation-status,n,z | 16:41 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:41 |
| bnemec | Let me see if I can find a link for the blueprints and bugs for juno. | 16:41 |
| bnemec | Ah, also the AMQP 1.0 driver in oslo.messaging | 16:41 |
| kgiusti | :D | 16:41 |
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| kgiusti | my last pushed review updates busted jenkins, fixing now. | 16:42 |
| bnemec | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75815/ | 16:42 |
| kgiusti | hoping this can be released as EXPERIMENTAL for juno-3 | 16:43 |
| kgiusti | CI test is blocked on bare-f20 node support: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117397/ | 16:43 |
| kgiusti | but Ian's been pretty positive of the test itself: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115752/ | 16:44 |
| bnemec | Yeah, on that front there's been some discussion in the mailing list thread about how to handle the different driver states. | 16:44 |
| bnemec | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044175.html | 16:44 |
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| bnemec | Approved blueprints for juno: | 16:46 |
| bnemec | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/juno | 16:46 |
| * bnemec should have collected these links before the meeting | 16:46 | |
| bnemec | I think this is the bugs targeted for juno | 16:47 |
| bnemec | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field. | 16:47 |
| bnemec | structural_subscriber=&field.milestone%3Alist=65960&field.milestone%3Alist=67334&field.milestone%3Alist=66209&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field. | 16:47 |
| bnemec | has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search | 16:47 |
| bnemec | Yikes | 16:47 |
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| bnemec | Okay, that's all of the review priorities I'm aware of. Anyone have anything to add? | 16:48 |
| i159 | maybe my spec | 16:49 |
| bnemec | i159: Link? | 16:49 |
| bnemec | i159: Also, I think we had agreed on a soft spec freeze for Juno. | 16:49 |
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| i159 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112842/ | 16:49 |
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| i159 | bnemec: I wasn't at the last meeting... | 16:50 |
| i159 | bnemec: so I could lost it | 16:50 |
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| bnemec | Okay, yeah. See point g under Spec status: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-08-08-16.00.html | 16:52 |
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| bnemec | i159: So unless that is critical to get in for Juno it probably isn't going to make it this cycle. | 16:52 |
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| i159 | bnemec: yep... | 16:53 |
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| bnemec | Okay, anything else? | 16:54 |
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| bnemec | #topic open discussion | 16:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:55 | |
| bnemec | We have about five minutes if there's anything anyone wants to bring up. | 16:55 |
| kgiusti | o/ - any thoughts on where the best place to document oslo.messaging driver stuff? | 16:56 |
| kgiusti | in regards to that driver discussion on the -dev list. | 16:56 |
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| kgiusti | is this something normally published in the oslo.messaging wiki? | 16:58 |
| bnemec | kgiusti: Probably something that would end up in http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.messaging/ | 16:58 |
| bnemec | Which is generated from http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.messaging/tree/doc/source | 16:58 |
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| kgiusti | +1 thanks! | 16:58 |
| bnemec | I guess the only thing would be that that's developer-oriented docs. | 16:59 |
| bnemec | I'll have to see if I can find anything in the user docs about messaging. I have to think we mention the different drivers somewhere. | 17:00 |
| bnemec | #action bnemec to find user docs for messaging | 17:00 |
| bnemec | Okay, that's all the time we have for today. | 17:01 |
| bnemec | Thanks everyone! | 17:01 |
| bnemec | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Aug 29 17:01:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-08-29-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-08-29-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-08-29-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
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