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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 2 13:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hi | 13:00 |
| irenab | hi | 13:00 |
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| baoli | irenab, thanks for coming up with the etherpad | 13:00 |
| irenab | baoli: glad to do it | 13:01 |
| heyongli | hi | 13:01 |
| baoli | heyongli, hi | 13:01 |
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| irenab | please add your inoputs there, maybe we need priority later on | 13:02 |
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| baoli | irenab, it's a good list. Did you forget to add the MD refactoring? | 13:02 |
| irenab | baoli: any updates on patches? Currently it seems we are going to miss the deadline... | 13:02 |
| irenab | baoli: You are right! I'll add it asap | 13:03 |
| heyongli | 9.4 coming soon, baoli , what's the status? | 13:03 |
| baoli | ok, status is coming up. | 13:03 |
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| baoli | On Thursday's nova meeting, the cores voted to fixing the two issues we mentioned in last meeting before juno FF (feature freeze), and give feature freeze exception to sr-iov patches | 13:05 |
| irenab | baoli: good news! | 13:05 |
| heyongli | sound we can make it | 13:05 |
| irenab | baoli: Is there any help you need with patches? | 13:05 |
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| baoli | dansmith, russellb have volunteered to code. So the first issue converting requested_network megatuple to objects is in good shape. Dansmith has done a good job coding it up quickly | 13:06 |
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| baoli | there are still two patches pending review for this issue | 13:06 |
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| heyongli | is this means we depending on dansmith's code? | 13:08 |
| irenab | baoli: can you put a link for patches for review. We all can help in review | 13:08 |
| baoli | The second issue (pci request storage) is being worked on, russellb came up with the initial two patches, and dansmith took the torch afterwards. | 13:08 |
| baoli | I need to talk to him on its progress today. | 13:08 |
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| baoli | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pci-passthrough-sriov. the last two are for the pci request storage issue | 13:09 |
| heyongli | got it | 13:10 |
| irenab | thanks | 13:10 |
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| baoli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115334/, and you can follow the dependency links for all the remaining patches for the requested network megatuple conversion | 13:12 |
| irenab | any other updates? | 13:12 |
| baoli | I have made the change to use the requested netowrk objects in my local repo, and it works. | 13:13 |
| heyongli | cool | 13:14 |
| baoli | Once the patches for the two issues are merged, I can update my remaining three patches that incorporate them | 13:14 |
| irenab | baoli: so your patches are on hold for now? | 13:15 |
| heyongli | core involved in is a good thing, make sure we can make it merge in time | 13:15 |
| baoli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114286/ has been approved, but due to another patch that had changes in the same area got merged ahead of mine, and caused conflict, I have to rebase manually and test everythine, etc. Now it's waiting for approval again. | 13:15 |
| baoli | irenab, three of them are on hold. | 13:16 |
| baoli | heyongli, can't complain with them involved and help in coding. | 13:17 |
| irenab | baoli: when there is something for review, feel free to ping me to join the review to push it faster | 13:17 |
| baoli | irenab, thanks, sure. | 13:17 |
| heyongli | baoli, that's really good thing | 13:17 |
| baoli | so at this point, all we can do is to work with them and hopefully all the patches can land in juno. | 13:18 |
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| heyongli | i feel and hope it could | 13:19 |
| irenab | then we can plan for next features | 13:19 |
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| baoli | irenab, yes. Let's spend a little time on it. | 13:20 |
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| irenab | baoli:sure | 13:21 |
| * johnthetubaguy is curious how ready to merge https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pci-passthrough-sriov is, given he is going through the list applying −2s | 13:21 | |
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| irenab | john: we just discussed it few mins ago, do you want a short recap? | 13:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | irenab: I see a −1 on a patch, is that some disagreement? wondering if its resolved? | 13:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there was talk of changing the interface with neutron, if I remember correctly, removing a mega tuple, or somesuch | 13:25 |
| baoli | johnthetubaguy, per last week's nova meeting, we need to fix two preexisting issues, metatuple is one of them | 13:26 |
| baoli | another one is the pci requests storage | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, need all code approve by tomorrow, or it will need a FFE (exception) | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, how are those patches going? | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | are you rebased on top of them yet? | 13:26 |
| baoli | john, the megatuple one is almost done. I need to talk to dansmith on the pci requests storage | 13:27 |
| dansmith | I'm not done with the storage refactor ones yet | 13:27 |
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| dansmith | megatuple had almost all merged on friday | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: OK, so close but we are heading towards FFE I guess | 13:27 |
| baoli | dansmith, hi, nice having you here | 13:27 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: yeah, the plan is that this gets an FFE if we can get the refactors done by FF | 13:28 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: per mr. ptl | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, I remember reading that in the nova-meeting now | 13:28 |
| dansmith | just checked, two more megatuple patches to merge | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: thanks | 13:28 |
| dansmith | just needs +As | 13:28 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:refactor-megatuple,n,z | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | baoli: sorry for interrupting, that makes sense, I will leave the code up as long as I can. | 13:30 |
| baoli | john: thanks. | 13:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | my only advice is to rebase early on top of those, and make sure you people are all +1 on all of the changes, if you all agree on them | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | that should make it easier at crunch time | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 13:31 |
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| heyongli | johnthetubaguy, sure | 13:31 |
| baoli | dansmith, for the second issue, do you have new patches to be uploaded soon? | 13:31 |
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| dansmith | baoli: it was a holiday weekend here, so I'm just getting back to it.. I put up some patches on friday, but they still need a lot of work | 13:32 |
| dansmith | baoli: not quite ready to rebase onto those yet, but I'll keep you updated of course | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | (also, please help review dansmith patches to help them get in quicker, forgot that, but I guess its obvious) | 13:32 |
| baoli | dansmith, I saw that. Thanks for helping out. | 13:33 |
| irenab | guys, please post all patches required to complete the solution, so we all can be on track to review | 13:33 |
| baoli | irenab, for the remaining patches, I think that you can just get to them from the BP page | 13:34 |
| irenab | baoli: ok, thanks | 13:35 |
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| baoli | ok, do we want to go back to the kilo feature list? | 13:36 |
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| irenab | baoli: works for me | 13:36 |
| baoli | irenab, the 9th item, can you explain in more detail? | 13:36 |
| irenab | baoli: this item is for SR-IOV support for ironic, in case some Hypervisor services (like storage) would run on some VF | 13:38 |
| baoli | irenab, I see. | 13:38 |
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| irenab | baoli: I'll try to add description on etherpad to clarify | 13:39 |
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| baoli | sounds good | 13:39 |
| baoli | at some point, maybe starting next week, we should go over the list one by one. | 13:40 |
| irenab | since there are a lot of areas to expand with regards to SR-IOV, we need to see what seems valuable and prioritize | 13:40 |
| irenab | baoli: agree | 13:40 |
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| baoli | irenab, yes. And we'd like to see who wants to work on what. | 13:40 |
| irenab | baoli: agree again | 13:40 |
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| baoli | Ok, anything else? | 13:41 |
| heyongli | no from me | 13:41 |
| irenab | not foe me | 13:41 |
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| baoli | thanks everyone, see you next time | 13:41 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 13:41 |
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| irenab | bye! | 13:42 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 2 13:41:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-09-02-13.00.html | 13:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-09-02-13.00.txt | 13:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-09-02-13.00.log.html | 13:42 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 2 16:01:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:02 |
| funzo | Chris Alfonso | 16:02 |
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| diga_ | Hi | 16:02 |
| diga_ | Digambar Patil | 16:02 |
| dguryanov | Hi | 16:02 |
| mtesauro | Matt Tesauro | 16:02 |
| dguryanov | Dmitry Guryanov | 16:02 |
| apmelton | Andrew Melton | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | alright, let's begin | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | (sorry for the repeat from last week) | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) OpenStack Silicon Valley event. | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://openstacksv.com/ Openstack Silicon Valley 2014-09-16 | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | this is two weeks from today | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | last time we decided to revisit it as the date draws closer. | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | Should we appoint a pro-tem chair for 2014-09-16 meeting, or cancel it? | 16:04 |
| diga_ | okay | 16:04 |
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| iqbalmohomed | Iqbal Mohomed | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | I'm happy to bring it back up next week if there are no takers | 16:05 |
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| thomasem | Yeah, I'll know my schedule better then. | 16:05 |
| thomasem | it's been... volatile | 16:05 |
| thomasem | to say the least :) | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'll nudge this up for next week's agenda | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Diga has some initial API work, and will be ready to check that in for review. We need to get the repo opened first. | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | my review for opening the repo has a layout error, so I need to submit a revision to get that in | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | more on that in a moment | 16:06 |
| diga_ | yes | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | special thanks to diga for taking the initiative to get taht work started | 16:06 |
| diga_ | ok | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | the hope is that we get a lot of nice hooks where we can begin to hang up an API | 16:07 |
| diga_ | Welcome | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | and make it self documenting with docstrings as we iterate | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | Any other announcements from tram members? | 16:07 |
| diga_ | ok | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | *team | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | ok, then let's advance to the next agenda item | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to create and share a new etherpad for recording current consensus about a containers service api | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | Status: Completed. | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-containers-service-api New Etherpad for Containers API | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | feel free to mark this one up and get all our ideas into it | 16:08 |
| diga_ | Good | 16:08 |
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| dguryanov | Thanks! | 16:08 |
| dguryanov | I've written some comments there | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | dguryanov: excellent! Let's take a moment to look at those in just a minute here... | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | that was the only action item | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Discuss Specs for OpenStack Containers Service | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/114044 Spec Proposal | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | so first let's look for any open questions at the planning level | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | and then dive into implementation concerns next | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, besides Jenkins testing my spec as python code | 16:11 |
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| thomasem | lol | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | it does not look like we have remaining open comments | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | anyone with concerns to discuss is welcome to raise them here. You don't need to comment on the gerrit review to be heard. | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's turn our attention to the etherpad again | 16:12 |
| apmelton | so, one concern we've had is about gantt | 16:12 |
| apmelton | has there been any commitment to actually work on it from anyone in openstack | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: yes? | 16:12 |
| apmelton | further than "this is a good idea, lets do this in the future" | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | yes, in fact the lead reached out to me about it | 16:12 |
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| iqbalmohomed | I guess the problem is that gantt isn't usable at the moment | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | I owe a follow-up conversation to cover that question | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed: right, it is still early days | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | the question this surfaces is something along the lines of "what do we do if Gantt does not mature in parallel with Magnum?" | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | oh, I should have included that as an announcement | 16:14 |
| apmelton | magnum? | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | the OpenStack Containers service will initially be known as Magnum (a big container) | 16:14 |
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| iqbalmohomed | I had some questions on the use of Heat ... is the idea that the container service will use the existing docker resource or will a new heat resource be created? | 16:14 |
| apmelton | ah! | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | If anyone has strong objections, there is still time to adjust that | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed: that's a great question. Let's come back to that in just a moment. | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: in response to your concern about Gantt | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | maybe we can invite the Gantt developers to join us next week, or in a special collaboration session | 16:16 |
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| apmelton | adrian_otto: either of those I think would help quell our concern | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | and get a sense of what is planned (to a deeper level of understanding) | 16:16 |
| iqbalmohomed | +1 | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | then we can bring a summary back to the team | 16:17 |
| thomasem | adrian_otto: just added a comment on the spec. Should we be referencing future plans for scheduling (i.e. how we'd like to use of Gantt if it matures) | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | and if needed, come up with contingency plan | 16:17 |
| thomasem | We already lay out the immediate plan of sequential fill | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | thomasem: good question. I think it's important to signal our intent, even when things are not yet possible. | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | and state what early iterations will be on the path to that future vision | 16:18 |
| thomasem | ep | 16:18 |
| thomasem | yep* | 16:18 |
| thomasem | okay cool | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | so as thomasem mentions, step one will be a trivial (naieve) implementation | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | and then we make that more sensible over time, using Gantt, or other bits to fold in as needed | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | anyone else have more concerns about this? I'll take an action now to schedule a follow-up | 16:19 |
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| thomasem | I remember us discussing things like being able to place guests next to or far away from each other via some scheduling service, so I'd like to document a core feature like that. | 16:19 |
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| thomasem | As a thing that we're looking for in our scheduling solution | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to coordinate a follow-up about Gantt, to help the containers team understand its readiness plans, and how they may be applied in our work. | 16:19 |
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| diga_ | +1 | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | thomasem: yes, affinity and anti-affinity will be very important for container placement | 16:20 |
| iqbalmohomed | I guess the concern I have is that if Gantt is late, we might be stuck with the sequential filling scheduler for a while ... so good to keep in sync with the gantt guys | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | I'm repeatedly surprised by sudden progress that can be inspired by a clear and present use case | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | so our work may actually end up being a catalyst for Gantt to take form sooner | 16:21 |
| thomasem | =] | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | I expect we can all agree that being stuck with sequential fill forever will be lame. | 16:22 |
| thomasem | Folks need clear requirements to understand units of work to be done. Otherwise it's often insurmountable or gets stuck in research. | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | so we should only view that as step one. | 16:22 |
| thomasem | yes, quite | 16:22 |
| iqbalmohomed | i recall the spec also had explicit placement | 16:23 |
| diga_ | yep | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I think we will be in good shape, as I will have to review the action item with the team at the next meeting | 16:23 |
| iqbalmohomed | this can help some people ... basically, do scheduling outside and pass the results to the api | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | so we will have a chance to review this question | 16:23 |
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| iqbalmohomed | we had to do this in the past ... a proxy in front of heat ... it was a stop gap measure but it did the trick | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed: you asked about Heat up above | 16:24 |
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| adrian_otto | so let's dive into that. | 16:24 |
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| iqbalmohomed | yes ... would be great to get some details if there are any | 16:25 |
| iqbalmohomed | i imagine there are several ways of doing it ... we could have a heat resource for each container ... these could be nested resources on a top level "magnum" container | 16:26 |
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| iqbalmohomed | when i said magnum container, i guess it should be top-level instance | 16:27 |
| iqbalmohomed | because the top-level thing can be anything | 16:27 |
| iqbalmohomed | i've also heard people compare this to trove ... they also use heat as a way to orchestrate ... we might be able to learn from what they did | 16:28 |
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| iqbalmohomed | the big question i had was whether we are going to use the existing docker resource? Any thoughts? | 16:30 |
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| apmelton | iqbalmohomed: I think that conflicts with our main goal of using nova's instances so that it doens't matter what the underlying technology is | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | sorry I was pulled away for a moment | 16:32 |
| iqbalmohomed | cool .. that's reasonable ... but we need additional software on the nova instance, correct? | 16:32 |
| apmelton | iqbalmohomed: correct, it'll need the container's service agent | 16:32 |
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| iqbalmohomed | so at least two ways of getting the agent in there ... either there is a blessed image that has the container service agent ... or we can install the agent on the fly | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 16:34 |
| apmelton | iqbalmohomed: I think we should allow both options | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: +1 | 16:34 |
| iqbalmohomed | cool | 16:34 |
| apmelton | either use the blessed image, or we'll provide configuration details via cloudinit/config drive/etc | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | So the thing we get from heat is a nova instance | 16:35 |
| iqbalmohomed | regarding the containers themselves, will they be nested resources to the top-level nova instance or something different | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | and we make calls to a Gantt service (or equivalent) to schedule over those isntances | 16:35 |
| apmelton | iqbalmohomed: is there any reason you could see for them not to be nested? | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | I see no reason why the heat provider resource for Docker could not use the same code we use. | 16:36 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: that is an interesting idea | 16:37 |
| apmelton | as long as the Docker resource provides a Docker container running the container service agent | 16:37 |
| apmelton | well.... | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: exactly. | 16:37 |
| apmelton | does that docker resource also provide network or block storage? | 16:37 |
| iqbalmohomed | apmelton: it would require us to change the code for the nova instance plugin ... if that is the top level resource | 16:37 |
| apmelton | iqbalmohomed: how would it need to be changed? | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | apmelton: I don't think so, but I have not reviewed that code closely, so we wold want to ask erw to be sure. | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | or take a look at it to see | 16:39 |
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| erw | pong | 16:39 |
| apmelton | I'd think containers would need to be nested so that empty top-level instances could be deleted after some time | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | hi there erw | 16:39 |
| iqbalmohomed | apmelton: instantiate the containers for one thing ... if you used the vanilla plugin that's in heat today, it'll just ignore any nested entries you have (as far as i understand) | 16:39 |
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| iqbalmohomed | erw: does the docker resource in heat nest inside a nova instance or it is a top level thing? | 16:40 |
| erw | iqbalmohomed: it talks directly to the Docker API | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed: it nests. | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | you need a nova resource first. | 16:40 |
| erw | iqbalmohomed: you use Heat to spawn a nova instance and then tell Docker to talk to the docker endpoint inside of the instance | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | that you set up the docker API inside of | 16:41 |
| iqbalmohomed | ah ok ... so then, we could probably use the same model for containers | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | but could it be used without nova at all? | 16:41 |
| erw | in some ways, the Heat plugin is not all that dissimilar to what the containers service intends to do - it’s just that Heat isn’t all too friendly to use | 16:41 |
| erw | adrian_otto: the heat plugin could be used without Nova, but you’d need some scheduler or such to inform you of the location of your docker hosts | 16:42 |
| erw | or external input to the HOT template | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | erw, yes, so if Gantt provided an inventory list, that could work for both the heat provider plug-in, as well as Magnum | 16:42 |
| erw | yes - is Magnum the name of the containers service now? | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed: did this provide the clarity you were seeking? | 16:45 |
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| iqbalmohomed | yes... it did ... thx for the discussion :) | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | excellent | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's check out the etherpad comments next. | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-containers-service-api | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | thomasem: thanks for the comments in there | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | want to start with the ones pertaining to bindmounts? | 16:47 |
| apmelton | who's red? | 16:48 |
| thomasem | adrian_otto of course | 16:48 |
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| iqbalmohomed | Ha ... it says adrian is blue | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | what if we limited bindmounts to paths provided by a manila instance? | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | that reddish color is un-named still | 16:49 |
| dguryanov | It mine | 16:49 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: what if all we want is a temporary bind mount between containers that doesn't rely on networking | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | dguryanov: oh, thanks for those! | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | apmelton: humm, I'm not sure. Good point. | 16:51 |
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| apmelton | adrian_otto: what if instead of allowing arbitrary paths, we instead allow only "named" local ephemeral storage | 16:52 |
| apmelton | the agent decides where that storage is | 16:52 |
| apmelton | for instance, it'll create ephemeral storage X and keep track of it | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | so similar to the way the xenstored operates? | 16:53 |
| apmelton | the agent could be configured to use just a local file system, or a more advanced LVM set up | 16:53 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: I'm not familiar with xenstored | 16:53 |
| mtesauro | +1 for ephemeral - if you can avoid absolute file paths, its always a security plus | 16:54 |
| iqbalmohomed | Question about the metadata .. is it supposed to be crud-able or just specified at creation time? | 16:54 |
| mtesauro | adrian_otto: yeah, its sound similar to xenstore | 16:54 |
| apmelton | iqbalmohomed: I believe it depends on how you've configured your system | 16:54 |
| apmelton | if it's just config-drive with no metadata service, it's at creation time | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so looks like we have some good subjects to continue doing design work around | 16:55 |
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| adrian_otto | one option is to open an ML thread on each topic | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | and iterate there | 16:56 |
| iqbalmohomed | also .. flavor_ref refers to flavor of the base image, right? | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | another option is to schedule design meetings in IRC | 16:56 |
| thomasem | thomasem +1 to design meetings. | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | or we can continue to use our scheduled team meeting time as the agenda permits | 16:57 |
| thomasem | Though, I'd like to keep it to the regular meeting as much as possible | 16:57 |
| thomasem | maybe we can knock one out per meeting? | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | I have a new web based video conference and screen sharing tool we can try if there is interest in that. Very similar to Google Hangouts but without the participant limit. | 16:57 |
| thomasem | adrian_otto: which is that? | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | thomasem: called vidyo | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | apparently an OEM of the same technology that hangouts uses | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | it's very similar in nature | 16:58 |
| thomasem | Oh, I see | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | irc and etherpads works nicely too | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to make a backlog of open design topics, and put them on our meeting schedule for discussion | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | looks like open discussion is too short today | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | sorry about that. | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | we can be reached in #openstack-containers for one-off topics | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today | 17:00 |
| thomasem | Take it easy! | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 2 17:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-09-02-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-09-02-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-09-02-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| iqbalmohomed | take care .. bye | 17:00 |
| apmelton | o/ | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 17:00 |
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| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 2 17:01:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:02 |
| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:02 |
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| ruhe | we're not going to expect too many people today. some are busy with internal work some are on vacations | 17:02 |
| ruhe | but, katyafervent, dteselkin could still be here? | 17:03 |
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| dteselkin | Hi :) | 17:03 |
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| katyafervent2 | hi | 17:04 |
| ruhe | hooray. we have kind of a quorum :) | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | #topic keystone trusts wrt Juno release shedule | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "keystone trusts wrt Juno release shedule (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:04 | |
| ruhe | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/auth-for-long-running-requests | 17:04 |
| ruhe | Stan did a good work and updated the whiteboard with his findings | 17:05 |
| ruhe | there is still a chance we can get this feature working in Juno. But it should be optional | 17:05 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: is that correct? | 17:05 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, perfectly | 17:06 |
| ruhe | ok | 17:06 |
| ruhe | i hope sjmc7 and angus will provide feedback on that too | 17:07 |
| ruhe | anything else for this topic? | 17:07 |
| * ruhe thinks we can set record meeting time today | 17:07 | |
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| ruhe | #topic drop https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/murano-api-exception-handling from juno | 17:08 |
| katyafervent2 | :) | 17:08 |
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| ruhe | we still don't gave a general agreement on how it should be done and we didn't have a chance to have a broad discussion on this topic. so i suggest to drop this BP from Juno | 17:08 |
| ruhe | any objections? | 17:09 |
| katyafervent2 | no objections | 17:09 |
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| ruhe | i hope sergmelikyan doesn't object too | 17:09 |
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| ruhe | #topic drop https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/dynamic-ui-specify-no-explicit-name-field from juno | 17:10 |
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| sergmelikyan | ruhe, no objection, we should revise this BP in the next cycle, but some part of the job was made in J | 17:10 |
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| ruhe | we still don't gave a general agreement on how it should be done and we didn't have a chance to have a broad discussion on this topic. so i suggest to drop this BP from Juno | 17:10 |
| ruhe | any objections? | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | nope | 17:11 |
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| ruhe | #action ruhe to drop murano-api-exception-handling and dynamic-ui-specify-no-explicit-name-field from juno plans | 17:12 |
| ruhe | #topic documentation for juno release | 17:12 |
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| ruhe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-docs | 17:12 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan, dteselkin do you have doc items assigned on yourselves? | 17:12 |
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| ruhe | i'd personally like to help to document building of images with diskimage-builder | 17:13 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, not yet, but will do | 17:13 |
| katyafervent2 | ruhe cool! | 17:13 |
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| ruhe | sergmelikyan, dteselkin: please review this document. it's going to be our plan for the next month | 17:14 |
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| katyafervent2 | sergmelikyan, I picked you to help with api specufication | 17:14 |
| katyafervent2 | we also need to provide update on actions | 17:14 |
| ruhe | yeah, katyafervent2 feel free to assign at least mirantis folks to specific items :) | 17:15 |
| ruhe | ok | 17:16 |
| ruhe | we're ready to switch to open discussion unless there is a new important topic to discuss right now | 17:16 |
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| ruhe | #topic open discussion | 17:17 |
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| btully | i had a question about environment deployments | 17:18 |
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| ruhe | sure | 17:18 |
| btully | when an environment is deployed, should you be able to deploy it again? | 17:19 |
| katyafervent2 | btully, hi! go ahead | 17:19 |
| btully | allow me to elaborate | 17:19 |
| katyafervent2 | in the ideal case - yes | 17:19 |
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| btully | currently after an environment is successfully deployed, the status gets set to "Ready to deploy" and the api returns a status of "pending" | 17:20 |
| katyafervent2 | but currently redeploy is not working | 17:20 |
| btully | from a UX standpoint, we never really inform the user that the deployment was successful | 17:20 |
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| katyafervent2 | btully, i have not seen this behaiviour | 17:21 |
| katyafervent2 | session is opend in your environment and it becomes pending | 17:21 |
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| btully | https://www.dropbox.com/s/l391le6xvazyeo7/pending-status-components.png?dl=0 | 17:21 |
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| katyafervent2 | but it shoud happen only in case of adding new apps ir deleting existing | 17:22 |
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| btully | it looks like session gets deleted if env is deployed | 17:23 |
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| btully | just wondering if it would be worth it to have a status of "Deployed" provided it were possible | 17:23 |
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| katyafervent2 | you need to find out why environment has new session | 17:26 |
| sjmc7 | my 2c before i disappear again :) - it'd be nice to see 'Ready' if there's nothing to do, or 'Ready to deploy' if there is (i.e. an application has been added) | 17:26 |
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| btully | katyafervent2: it looks like session gets deleted when env is deployed | 17:26 |
| ruhe | that seems pretty reasonable from UX standpoint | 17:26 |
| btully | then a new one is created which has status pending | 17:27 |
| katyafervent2 | sjmc7, thats what I have in my environment | 17:27 |
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| btully | so after you deploy an env, what status do you see? | 17:28 |
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| katyafervent2 | it can ve named deployed if environment state changed after deployment | 17:28 |
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| katyafervent2 | ready | 17:28 |
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| btully | interesting. ok i will test a few more times | 17:28 |
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| btully | thanks | 17:29 |
| katyafervent2 | dont hasitate to ping me via email or irc | 17:29 |
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| ruhe | muranopl-based packages report status from muranopl. for instance https://github.com/murano-project/murano-app-incubator/blob/master/io.murano.apps.apache.Tomcat/Classes/Tomcat.yaml#L50 | 17:30 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: is there any way to do something similar from heat SC based packages? | 17:31 |
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| sjmc7 | not from within the heat template, no | 17:32 |
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| sergmelikyan | ruhe, you mean hot packages? I don't think so, cause whole template is sent directly to the Heat. There are no stages in between | 17:32 |
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| sjmc7 | we could send a status indicating that it's being dealt with by heat | 17:32 |
| ruhe | yeah, at least that. as a first step | 17:33 |
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| ruhe | polling stack status shouldn't be a problem either | 17:34 |
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| ruhe | ok. i think we understand the problem here. sergmelikyan let's discuss this with stan and see how we can fix this | 17:35 |
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| sergmelikyan | 'k | 17:36 |
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| ruhe | btully: we'll get back to you with this topic tomorrow (after discussin it with stan) | 17:36 |
| ruhe | any other questions? | 17:37 |
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| ruhe | waiting 2 more minutes before closing the meeting | 17:38 |
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| ruhe | all right | 17:42 |
| ruhe | thanks everyone | 17:42 |
| ruhe | and bye bye | 17:42 |
| ruhe | #endmeeting | 17:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 2 17:43:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-09-02-17.01.html | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-09-02-17.01.txt | 17:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-09-02-17.01.log.html | 17:43 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 2 22:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-09-02_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:00 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:00 |
| dimtruck | Dimitry Ushakov | 22:00 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 22:00 |
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| muralia | murali allada | 22:00 |
| james_li | james li | 22:00 |
| gpilz1 | Gilbert Pilz | 22:00 |
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| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 22:00 |
| adrian_otto | Anish! | 22:00 |
| * AnishKarmarkar waves | 22:01 | |
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| adrian_otto | welcome everyone. I'll just wait a moment for a few more of us to arrive. | 22:01 |
| Roshan | Roshan Agrawal | 22:01 |
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| PaulCzar | o/ | 22:02 |
| roshanagr | Roshan Agrawal | 22:02 |
| adrian_otto | okay, let's begin. | 22:03 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome asalkeld | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:03 | |
| adrian_otto | Any announcements from team members? | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | are any other team members coming to the OpenStack Silicon Valley event on 9/16? | 22:04 |
| gpilz1 | I will be attending | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | oh, good. I'll see you there. | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:04 | |
| adrian_otto | (none) | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint/Task Review (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:05 | |
| adrian_otto | Does anyone have specific tasks or reviews they would like to discuss with the team today? | 22:05 |
| gpilz1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117056/ | 22:05 |
| gpilz1 | I need some help figuring out how to fix the flake8/pep8 tests | 22:05 |
| gpilz1 | AFAICT the failures have nothing to do with my code | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | getting stuck here http://logs.openstack.org/56/117056/4/check/gate-solum-pep8/c3650a6/console.html.gz#_2014-08-29_22_22_10_060 | 22:06 |
| datsun180b | gpilz1: i can help you with that | 22:06 |
| gpilz1 | thanks Ed | 22:06 |
| datsun180b | we also need to get ravi's private github repo changes in | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | sweet, thanks datsun180b | 22:06 |
| datsun180b | most of our problems are zuul jobs are 5 hours old, assumedly because of the demand on the dsvm job resources | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: can you help me document the resolution to gpilz concerns so we can publish it as a developer FAQ? | 22:07 |
| datsun180b | adrian_otto: cloning his review now | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | I know that several of us have tripped on that before | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | so it would be nice to have a resource to turn to next time we get snagged on that | 22:07 |
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| datsun180b | i tried earlier last week to pull the sanity checks out of the pep8 tox environment | 22:08 |
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| datsun180b | but ravi clued me in on bigger devstack changes i'd need to make, so i backed out because i've got other things cooking | 22:08 |
| datsun180b | were we to revisit that, that may relieve some testing/troubleshooting pressure | 22:09 |
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| datsun180b | pep8 failing because solum.cfg.sample is different doesn't make sense to me | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | tx | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | okay, so which reviews for Ravi's work need additional review work? | 22:10 |
| datsun180b | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105605/ is the big one | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | I see two open | 22:11 |
| datsun180b | technically we have all the checkmarks we need | 22:11 |
| datsun180b | thanks to you in fact | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I think we can let the gate system advance taht | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | any others? | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | I'm going to scour that whole open list | 22:12 |
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| adrian_otto | does anyone ahve open reviews they plan to abandon? | 22:12 |
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| adrian_otto | apparently now core reviewers have the ability to abandon a patch for you | 22:12 |
| PaulCzar | okay, I need people to re-review this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102646/ | 22:12 |
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| adrian_otto | so if we have things that are getting stale, we'll comment on them, arrange for rebase, and if it's not something you care about, abandon | 22:13 |
| PaulCzar | I think I addressed all the comments in it ... but it was ages ago and I've since been distracted by other things | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar: ok, looking | 22:13 |
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| adrian_otto | DIP == DIB in that commit message? | 22:14 |
| PaulCzar | oh yeah | 22:14 |
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| PaulCzar | so there's at least one typo I still need to fix ;) | 22:14 |
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| datsun180b | you've got red on you | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | so there are a bunch of comments on here | 22:14 |
| roshanagr | Are there any downsides to always deploying to Docker, even if it is a VM deployment. | 22:15 |
| PaulCzar | roshanagr: it gives us a standard package format ... otherwise we need to do things differently on VMs vs Docker | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: there is a very slight performance penalty to using a container (due to the cgroup and namespace data structures in the kernel), but it should be extremely minimal | 22:15 |
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| roshanagr | i.e. functionally, would we get to parity with Docker inside VM, when compared to natively inside VM | 22:16 |
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| roshanagr | PaulCzar: standard package format makes sense , and is good | 22:16 |
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| roshanagr | Adrian_otto: slight performance penalty should be fine as well. as long as we don't compromize on feature parity | 22:17 |
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| roshanagr | Feature parity is something I am most concerned about | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar: curious… if someone uses our Dockerfile language pack… can they specify the run arguments to get things like bind mounts, and env variables? I did not think so, but that could potentially be limiting. | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | it's not any more restrictive that a VM, right? | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | but more restrictive than running Docker on your own | 22:18 |
| PaulCzar | adrian_otto: correct, we still launch the docker container, so we choose the args etc | 22:18 |
| roshanagr | can I take any VM based workload, and run it inside Docker, without a bunch of rework | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | have we contemplated a way to take "run" arguments in a Pipeline job, or plan file? | 22:19 |
| PaulCzar | adrian_otto: yeah, with a custom heat template they could add run arguments to docker-in-VM | 22:19 |
| PaulCzar | which we wouldn't give them on nova-docker because of trust etc | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: bundling the app is required. So instead of bundling into an OS specific packaging format, you are bundling into a Docker container image | 22:20 |
| PaulCzar | roshanagr: what do you even mean by a VM workload? | 22:20 |
| roshanagr | lets say I have a chef cookbook that runs inside a VM. will it just work inside a docker image | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | Solum helps automate this, but if you want something exotic to happen on startup, that could be a constraint, hence my question about runtime args | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: yes, it should | 22:21 |
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| adrian_otto | provided you extend a base image where the chef utilities can run | 22:21 |
| PaulCzar | roshanagr: in theory yes ... in practice not 100%. but a chef cookbook isn't an application, so would solum even run it ? | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | PaulCzar: which things are you thinking of when you refer to "in practice" above? | 22:22 |
| roshanagr | PaulCzar: you are right, we won't run Chef in the runtime. | 22:22 |
| roshanagr | +1 to adrian_otto's question | 22:24 |
| PaulCzar | adrian_otto: if the chef cookbook tries to do something with services ( containers don't have a pid 1 ) or tries to work with devices or other things that namespaces doesn't allow inside the container then it will fail | 22:24 |
| PaulCzar | but if we don't plan to run chef in the runtime, then the question is moot | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | so in other words if the recipe tries to do something stupid | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | well | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | come to think of it | 22:25 |
| PaulCzar | it comes down to the fact that chef cookbooks and solum do the same job ... describe the infrastructure to run an application | 22:25 |
| asalkeld | starting a service is not really stupid | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | things like sysctl will not work | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | depending on the distribution, so that's a legitimate concern | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | asalkeld: agreed | 22:26 |
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| asalkeld | I use supervisord, but not easy to translate init scripts | 22:26 |
| roshanagr | I have another concern: how will windoes support work if we took the current approach | 22:26 |
| roshanagr | windows | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr: did this provide clarity, or did it make matters even more murky? | 22:27 |
| PaulCzar | roshanagr: support for windows is just as hard either way | 22:27 |
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| adrian_otto | approximating container functionality in windows will require special handling regardless. I agree with PaulCzar on that for sure. | 22:28 |
| roshanagr | adrian_otto: I am unclear if the current implementation approach (Docker inside VM) is going to impose any restrictions. + we need to plan for Windows | 22:28 |
| roshanagr | windows without containers may not be as hard | 22:28 |
| roshanagr | Windows VM, no containers. | 22:28 |
| PaulCzar | roshanagr: we can have multiple ways to do it down the track and just make it a config option to choose between them | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | if it is an OS image based runtime, then it may not matter | 22:29 |
| PaulCzar | or have solum understand that if the LP is windows based it gets handled differently | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | we have some code to deploy an app into a DU, and that logic could be unique to the DU's image type. | 22:30 |
| roshanagr | PaulCzar, adrian_otto: as long as you are aware of the implications, I am fine. We will need to natively support Windows at some point, as well as support migration of existing VM based workloads | 22:30 |
| PaulCzar | migration of existing VM based workloads ? | 22:31 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 22:31 |
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| roshanagr | yes, if I have a cloud app that is on VM, moving that to Solum PaaS | 22:31 |
| PaulCzar | if it's already on a VM you don't need solum ? I think I must be missing something here | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | you can specify a glance image to use in your Pipeline | 22:32 |
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| adrian_otto | so if you wanted to hook up a CI/CD pipeline for an existing app, that's certainly possible | 22:32 |
| adrian_otto | as long as there is a buildpack that can build runnable DU's from the supplied image and source | 22:33 |
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| roshanagr | PaulCzar: the app is on VM, consuming IaaS. Now the app developer wants to move the app to Solum | 22:33 |
| adrian_otto | so for windows VM's that may require further refinement of the .Net LP | 22:33 |
| PaulCzar | roshanagr: so, they point solum at their github ... test it ... delete VM | 22:33 |
| roshanagr | PaulCzar: right, that is the experience we would want. | 22:34 |
| PaulCzar | roshanagr: so the fact that it's running on a VM is irrelevent to us | 22:34 |
| roshanagr | PaulCzar: ok | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | any other feature discussion before we move to open discussion? | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:35 | |
| adrian_otto | the containers service has a codename now. Magnum == OpenStack Containers Service | 22:36 |
| PaulCzar | surely magnum has TM issues ? | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | yes, as did all other ideas | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | so that is subject to change upon legal dispute | 22:39 |
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| PaulCzar | as long as we're going in eyes wide open :) | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any other topics for today? | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | if not, we can wrap up | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks everyone. Or next meeting is 2014-09-09 at 1600 UTC. | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 22:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 2 22:41:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-02-22.00.html | 22:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-02-22.00.txt | 22:41 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-02-22.00.log.html | 22:41 |
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| datsun180b | oh we won already | 22:44 |
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