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dhellmann#startmeeting oslo16:00
dhellmannour agenda is in the wiki, as usual:16:00
dhellmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting16:00
dhellmannwho’s here for the oslo meeting?16:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Sep  5 16:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'oslo'16:00
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dhellmanndimsum_, flaper87 : ping?16:00
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dhellmannfirst, thanks to dimsum_ and beekneemech for leading the meetings the past couple of weeks while I was traveling16:01
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bknudsonhi16:01
dimsum_very welcome :)16:01
dhellmannI think we have quorum, so let's get started16:02
dhellmann#topic Review action items from previous meeting16:02
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dhellmannI think most of these were covered, but I want to be sure16:02
dhellmann#info bnemec and dims to try get oslo.serialization out next week16:02
dhellmannwe're blocked on that still, I think (more later)16:02
dhellmann#info dims to chase oslo.utils adoption in stables branches16:02
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dhellmanndimsum_, is this the thing about updating the incubator?16:02
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dimsum_dhellmann: yep16:03
dhellmannok, more on that later, too, I think16:03
bknudsonhere's my attempt on icehouse for keystone -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114845/16:03
dhellmann#info viktors to look at merging run_cross_tests.sh in oslo.db16:03
bknudsonblocked... they requested something about a change to devstack.16:03
dhellmannbknudson: yeah, we're going to have a long talk about that in a bit16:03
dhellmannviktors: any update?16:04
viktorsdhellmann: I'm still supoose, that this script will not fix the testing issue16:04
dhellmannok, I pushed the larger testing discussion to next week so we have time for some release stuff today16:04
morganfainbergdhellmann, bknudson, if that isn't really blocked i'm happy to see that go in. but i was holding off until we decided how to handle Ihar's comment.16:04
viktorsdhellmann: IMO, it should be extended in incubator, at least16:04
viktorsdhellmann: ok16:04
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dhellmannok, I think that covers the actions from last week that aren't postponed to next week16:05
dhellmanndid I miss anything?16:05
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dhellmannok, moving on then16:05
dhellmann#topic Feature Freeze Exceptions16:05
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dhellmann#info AMQP 1.0 driver for oslo.messaging was given an FFE16:05
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kgiustiyay!16:06
dhellmannthat was our only FFE request, and wasn't too controversial16:06
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dhellmannkgiusti: good work so far!16:06
kgiustithanks all for the help.16:06
flaper87indeed, thanks for working on the driver and especiallyy for taking care of all the gate/test things16:06
kgiustidocs in progress.16:06
dhellmannis the blueprint up to date with the remaining work needed? I'm not sure what we want to do to track the stuff that has to happen in the distros16:06
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kgiustiI can add status about that.16:07
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kgiustiI'm in touch with the qpid packaging guy.16:07
dhellmannkgiusti: ok, please do (ttx tends to ask me about that sort of thing in our Tuesday morning 1:1 so if you can do it by then I'd appreciate it)16:07
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dhellmanncool, thanks16:07
dhellmannok, let's talk about the release16:08
dhellmann#topic Other RC-1 Work16:08
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dhellmannI started an etherpad to try to track the *critical* changes we want to make sure we get in for our releases16:08
dhellmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-feature-freeze16:08
dhellmannplease don't just add every little thing there, just the things we would consider blockers16:08
dhellmannthat said, please do add things :-)16:08
flaper87I think probably oslotests is one of the most importants in that least16:09
flaper87I don't mean to say the rest is not important16:09
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dhellmannI haven't started including any bugs. We can handle those by updating their targets in launchpad16:09
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flaper87but I'd probably put more focus on the issues related to that one16:10
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dhellmannflaper87: yep, we have most (all?) of those changes merged and I'm going to break my rule and do a release this afternoon16:10
beekneemechoslotest should be just about done.16:10
flaper87right16:10
dhellmannI think we're waiting for one last merge, unless it happened when I wasn't watching16:10
flaper87dhellmann: the never release on fridays rule?16:10
flaper87:D16:10
dhellmannyes, that one :-)16:10
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bknudsonyou're setting yourself up for a busy weekend.16:10
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dhellmannyeah, but I'd rather have to fix a bug or two than lose 2 days of time for other merges to happen :-/16:11
dhellmannI can always revert a change if I have to16:11
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dhellmannspeaking of losing 2 days...16:12
dhellmann#topic finishing the juno libraries16:12
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dhellmannI audited the libs we have against the steps in CreatingANewLibrary and found some steps we had missed16:12
dhellmann#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MvXsg0XxPonJ8yAFSraIwHM940eAfoXhfBVRa6hN7MY/edit#gid=016:12
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dhellmannmost of the missing work is in other repositories, but we do have some documentation to update, too16:13
dhellmanndimsum_ has already started a bunch of that work16:13
* dims_ apologies for flaky network16:13
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dhellmannwe need to be careful that we don't have a lot of projects adopting libs that aren't set up for gate testing, so liaisons keep an eye on that before you submit changes to your projects16:14
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dhellmann(line 18)16:14
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dhellmannoh and line 716:15
beekneemechack16:15
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dhellmannif you don't have edit rights on that spreadsheet and would like to help track, send me your google id privately and I'll invite you after the meeting16:16
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dhellmannoverall we're in pretty good shape, and the WIP items are not surprises, but let's not rush adoption16:16
dhellmannquestions about the data?16:16
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flaper87none from me16:16
beekneemechAre we still pushing adoption?16:16
dhellmannoh, the doc stuff on lines 27-30 is incomplete16:17
beekneemechI thought at this poitn in the cycle we'd be holding off on that anyway.16:17
dhellmannbeekneemech: at this point, I think not. Only oslo.db in nova, AFAIK16:17
beekneemechok16:17
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dhellmannthey got a FFE for that work because it fixes some of the bugs nova had16:17
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beekneemechYeah, I think mriedem mentioned that.16:17
bknudsonlet's start the rush for k-116:18
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YorikSardhellmann: Can I edit that table? oslo.concurrency had Python 3 job and it's voting.16:18
dhellmannyes, I would like to finish the libs we have started in juno so that projects can adopt them for k-116:18
dhellmannYorikSar: fixed, and send me your google id so I can add you to the editors list16:19
YorikSardhellmann: yorik.sar@gmail.com16:19
dhellmannsent16:19
dhellmannhas anyone spotted anything else we should fix right away?16:19
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dhellmannYorikSar: if those python 3 tests pass, does that mean you're not using oslotest?16:20
viktors:)16:20
YorikSardhellmann: last requirements update didn't land16:21
dhellmannok16:21
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YorikSardhellmann: So waiting for new oslotest release16:21
dhellmannthat should be later today16:21
dhellmannok, let's move on then16:21
dhellmann#topic Summit Planning16:21
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dhellmannthis came up on the mailing list, but it bears repeating:16:21
dhellmannWe won't have the proposal system this time around, so we need to brainstorm topics and discuss on the mailing list.16:21
dhellmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-oslo-summit-topics16:21
bknudsonI think we'll all just be wandering around the summit chatting.16:22
dhellmannwe're probably not going to have time to do "status" sessions as we have in the past, so we need to be focused on sessions that will help us make decisions or sort out who is going to do some of the work next cycle16:23
dhellmannbknudson: heh, we actually asked ttx to give us more time between sessions for that :-)16:23
flaper87I wouldn't dedicate a session to the ZMQ thing16:23
flaper87lets just say it in the mailing list16:23
flaper87that it'll be deprecated and move on16:23
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bknudsonmorganfainberg: were you interested in the "Obfuscation / encryption of config option" ?16:24
morganfainbergbknudson, yeah.16:24
bknudsonI wound up not having time to work on this in J.16:24
dhellmannwe have some time to think of topics (several weeks) but I wanted to give everyone lots of time16:24
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morganfainbergbknudson, definitely interested. but it was a "it'd be cool to have" not "omg must have" for J.16:24
dhellmannflaper87: right, that might be what we do, but this lets us record the decision to do that16:25
flaper87dhellmann: +116:25
dhellmannmy (our?) motto for kilo is "write it down"16:25
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dhellmannok, let's run through our libs...16:26
dhellmann#topic oslo.serialization16:26
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dhellmannbeekneemech, dims, how are we looking?16:26
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack%2Foslo.serialization+is:open,n,z16:26
dhellmannwe're blocked on the oslotest thing, but is there anything else on that list that we must land?16:27
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beekneemechWe should probably fix the namedtuple thing.16:27
* dhellmann keeps mixing up oslo.serialization status with oslo.concurrency status and is appreciating the irony of that16:27
beekneemechlol16:28
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dhellmannyeah, that one should be able to merge after we fix oslotest16:28
dhellmann#topic oslo.log16:28
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dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.log+is:open,n,z16:28
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dhellmannoh, I should mention, if you have +2 on a library and see a translation patch, that does not require 2 +2 to merge -- just go ahead and approve it16:29
dhellmannditto for global requirements patches16:29
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dhellmannassuming the tests pass, of course :-)16:29
beekneemechWill do16:29
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YorikSarMe too :)16:30
dhellmannthis one is a little farther away, but I think we agreed oslo.log was a k1 target anyway so no worries16:30
dhellmann#topic oslo.utils16:30
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dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.utils+is:open,n,z16:30
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dhellmannI think we want to remove that dependency on oslo.config16:31
dhellmannthe doc stuff would be nice to have, too16:32
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dhellmann#topic oslo.db16:32
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dhellmannviktors, how are things going?>16:32
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dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.db+is:open,n,z16:32
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dhellmannnow that we're past feature freeze, we should be careful about what we merge16:33
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dhellmannbe thinking about settling development down to bug fixes to prepare for a 1.0 release16:34
dhellmannI assume we're still planning for a 1.0 this cycle?16:34
zzzeekhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/116324/ looks like the hot one16:34
viktorsdhellmann: sure, also there is was a small API fix16:34
zzzeekbecause its a real bug16:34
* viktors co-authored this16:35
dhellmannzzzeek: ok, let's put that on the etherpad16:35
dhellmannhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-feature-freeze16:35
zzzeekim trusting that viktors/ etc. are definitely sure this is the format of the execption on mariadb, mysql , :)16:36
viktorszzzeek: now we run test on real db-s, so we can be sure (a bit)16:37
viktorsalso recently folks from Nova got an issue this exceptions from oslo.db - not all SQLA exception were wrapped16:37
dhellmannare they actually using oslo.db, or are they using the incubated version?16:37
dhellmannwe need to make sure when we talk about our code that we're clear which copy we mean :-)16:37
dhellmannI'm guilty of that, too16:37
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viktorsthese was an issue with patch, thich move nova to oslo.db16:38
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dhellmannah16:38
zzzeekviktors: OperationalErrors are not wrapped in all cases16:38
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dhellmannwill you have time to help them resolve that? does it involve any changes in oslo.db?16:38
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viktorsdhellmann: yes, I did, Also IMO, we should wrap all SQLA exceptions, but I'm not sure when we should do it16:38
dhellmannmake sure there is a bug for that filed against oslo.db and targeted to next-juno, please16:39
zzzeekviktors: is there a stack trace for this unwrapped exception somewhere ?16:39
viktorsdhellmann: ok16:39
dhellmannviktors: wrapping all exceptions could happen in kilo, maybe?16:39
viktorsdhellmann: it's would be safer, IMO16:40
dhellmannis there anything else on the open change list for oslo.db that we should be prioritizing for juno?16:40
viktorszzzeek: I show you test yesterday. See also discussion in Nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101901/44/nova/db/sqlalchemy/utils.py16:40
zzzeekviktors: ok16:40
dhellmannok, let's keep going, we have several other libs to discuss16:41
dhellmann#topic oslo.messaging16:41
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dhellmannwe know we need a release for the amqp driver16:41
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.messaging+is:open,n,z16:41
dhellmannwe have a lot of other changes pending, are any of those blockers for the release?16:41
dhellmannflaper87: do you know?16:42
flaper87IIRC, there weren't blockers16:42
dhellmannok16:42
flaper87but I'll double check16:42
dhellmannthanks, and if you find any please add them to that etherpad16:42
flaper87absolutely16:42
dimsflaper87: a tiny fix for ipv6 - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119389/16:42
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dimsdon't know if you consider that blocking16:43
flaper87that's cheating, that was submitted today :P16:43
flaper87I should've said: As of yday, there weren't blockers16:43
flaper87lemme take a look16:43
dimsheh :)16:43
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dhellmannnow the topic you've all been waiting for...16:43
dhellmann#topic oslotest16:43
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dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslotest+is:open,n,z16:44
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dhellmannit looks like the fix for python 3 packaging has merged16:44
dhellmannso I will create the release right after the meeting16:44
beekneemech\o/16:44
dhellmannthat should unblock oslo.serialization and keystone, I hope16:44
* dhellmann crosses his fingers that nothing else will break16:45
dhellmannare there any *other* issues with oslotest that we know about now?16:45
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bknudson\o\16:45
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bknudsonthe other fix was for the mock patch stopall16:46
dhellmannyep, that will be in this release16:46
beekneemechAlso merged.16:46
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dhellmannok, a few more to hit...16:47
dhellmannok, good, moving on then16:47
dhellmannoops16:47
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dhellmann#topic cliff16:47
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dhellmann#info release planned for monday, long overdue16:47
dhellmannnothing major, but we've had some bug fixes and features unreleased for a while now16:47
dhellmann#topic pbr16:47
dhellmann#info release planned for monday, also overdue16:47
dhellmannsame16:47
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dhellmann#topic oslo.i18n16:47
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dhellmannthis is one of our new libs16:47
dhellmannI think we're ready for a 1.0 release this cycle. Does anyone have any reason not to proceed with that?16:48
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* beekneemech does not16:48
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dhellmannlots of adoptions already16:49
dhellmanncinder designate glance glance_store glance.store heat ironic keystone nova oslo.concurrency oslo.db oslo.log oslo.middleware oslo.serialization oslo.utils python-openstackclient python-saharaclient requirements sahara zaqar16:49
dhellmann#topic stevedore16:49
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dhellmannsame question16:49
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dhellmannthat library has been pretty stable for almost a year now, so I don't see any issues16:49
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beekneemech+116:50
dimsdhellmann: there were some bugs logged around tar.gz etc for stevedore16:50
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* dhellmann looks16:50
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dhellmanndims: ah, I think that's an artifact of our wheel publishing16:51
dimsdhellmann: ok16:51
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dhellmann#action dhellmann ensure stevedore builds universal wheels16:52
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YorikSarMemcacheClient = type('MemcacheClient', (object,), dict(memcache.Client.__dict__))16:53
YorikSarOoops, sorry.16:53
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dhellmannheh16:53
dhellmann#topic oslo.rootwrap16:53
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dhellmannthis is also fairly stable16:53
zzzeekheh16:53
dhellmannwe have the new server mode this release, but I think we can safely call it 1.016:53
dhellmannttx: any thoughts? ^^16:53
dhellmann#action dhellmann verify with ttx that oslo.rootwrap is still ok for a 1.0 release16:54
dhellmann#topic oslo.utils version16:54
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dhellmannwe didn't cover versioning for oslo.utils earlier16:54
dhellmannare we ready for 1.0, or should we wait for k1?16:55
YorikSardhellmann: I tried my best to not touch any existing rootwrap codepaths with my work, so it should be safe to assume nothig changed there, just added a new feature.16:55
dhellmannYorikSar: excellent16:55
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dhellmanndims, beekneemech : thoughts on oslo.utils?16:55
dimsdhellmann: ready for 1.0 (oslo.utils)16:55
dhellmannok16:56
dhellmann#info oslo.utils will be released as 1.0 this cycle16:56
dhellmannI hate to rush this last one16:56
dhellmann#topic when to branch stable/juno (or proposed)16:56
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dhellmannwe talked about doing this early, and we have a couple of changes we need to land in the incubator before we can16:56
dhellmannsee "blocking branching oslo-incubator for rc-1" near the top of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-feature-freeze16:57
dhellmannwhen that jsonutils fix backport lands in the incubator, I will talk to ttx about branching16:57
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dimsdhellmann: sounds good to me16:57
dhellmannit will probably be juno/proposed rather than stable/juno, because the stable branches use different acls16:57
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dhellmannat that point, we can start submitting changes to remove anything we graduated in this cycle, so go ahead and start preparing those patches for your libs now :-)16:58
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beekneemechgit rm ftw :-)16:58
dhellmannmy favorite command16:58
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dhellmann#topic review priorities for this week16:58
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dhellmannsee the etherpad linked several times above16:58
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dhellmannand bug fixes on our normal dashboard view16:59
dhellmannremember, don't merge any new features not approved for a FFE16:59
dhellmann#topic open discussion16:59
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dhellmann< 1 min left16:59
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dhellmannif you have anything you need to bring up, we can continue talking in #openstack-oslo16:59
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dhellmannotherwise, nice job on the feature freeze this week, everyone!17:00
dimsw00t!17:00
beekneemechYay us!17:00
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dhellmann#endmeeting17:01
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