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| Kiall | Morning ttx - On for our meeting in 40 mins? | 11:53 |
| ttx | hmm, yes, i guess so | 11:53 |
| ttx | ping me at the time, because I am all over the map | 11:53 |
| Kiall | Sure, j3 and all. | 11:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting Nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 14:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
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| bauzas | ohai | 14:01 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 14:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:01 |
| dansmith | \o | 14:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:01 |
| adrian_otto | bauzas: I owe you a follow-up | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Juno status and Feature Freeze | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno status and Feature Freeze (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:01 | |
| johnthetubaguy | hi all | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so feature freeze | 14:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have stuff waiting in the gate still | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx is helping track that | 14:02 |
| bauzas | adrian_otto: nope, I owe *you* :) | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SC1ILk7zMT | 14:02 |
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| jogo | wow thats is a a big list | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | its been as brutal as ever really, although this time we had lots approved yesterday but not through the gate | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jogo: the list at the bottom is what we are watching now | 14:02 |
| jroll | \o | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: the other stuff were mostly things in the gate before ttx and I trimmed the list this morning | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, ouch | 14:03 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: am I missing where SRIOV is there? | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I pushed that into RC-1 already | 14:03 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 14:03 |
| dansmith | oh, I thought it'd still be here, okay | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it didn't have anything in the gate when I last look | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least not linked to the blueprint whiteboard | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-3 | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/juno | 14:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | most of the pushed out stuff, is needscodereview in here: | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/trunk | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | so… we actually got quite a few more blueprints into juno-3 that it was first looking like | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, lots didn't make it | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | so feature freeze exceptions | 14:06 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | is everyone happy with the process, like three cores to get you in? | 14:07 |
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| NobodyCam | lol the holidays can make that tuff | 14:07 |
| mriedem | ndipanov isn't happy with 3 cores :) | 14:07 |
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| sdague | I think the 3 cores sounds sane | 14:07 |
| mriedem | i think the question came up why 3 | 14:07 |
| dansmith | I think the point of the three core rule was to raise the bar, and it has done that | 14:08 |
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| dansmith | so I'm happy with it | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i remember us talking about it in a meeting, | 14:08 |
| bauzas | yeah, there were some concerns about why 3 | 14:08 |
| mriedem | yeah | 14:08 |
| mriedem | 2 wasn't cutting it in icehouse | 14:08 |
| dansmith | right | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, we have a load of stuff that got approved, but still didn't make it, seems like they should go first | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: dansmith: for the record, yeah, 2 didn't work well, lets try 3 cores this time | 14:09 |
| NobodyCam | we ironic has three | 14:09 |
| sdague | also, what's the FFE land cutoff time? | 14:09 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: so, it seems to me that as soon as ironic is ready, we need to let that kinda take priority | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | right so specifics | 14:09 |
| dgenin | i recall someone pointing out that simply throwing more people at the task is not likely to fix it:) | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: let me find a link to mikal's email | 14:10 |
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| NobodyCam | Ironic is requesting an ffe | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | basically we figured a fix date after the fiasco with spec feeze | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | a week on friday I think | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | does that sound OK? | 14:10 |
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| dansmith | yeah | 14:10 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, sounds fair | 14:10 |
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| danpb | dansmith: johnthetubaguy we need to kill that first patch in ironic in order to let the others land | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: much more and we risk rc1 was the thinking | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: I think the idea was we want it all, or non of it? | 14:11 |
| jroll | danpb: afaik, that first patch is there so we can +A everything else, and then land in one swoop | 14:11 |
| jogo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044660.html | 14:11 |
| dansmith | I think we just +A the bottom patch when we're ready, I'm not sure we need to remove it | 14:11 |
| dansmith | but it doesn't really matter | 14:11 |
| jogo | mikal's timeline | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg33817.html | 14:12 |
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| danpb | imho its kind of crazy to push such patches at all | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops, thanks | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: what such patches? | 14:12 |
| jroll | danpb: this is what we decided at the summit, makes it easy to go all or nothing | 14:12 |
| sdague | yeh, wouldn't it better to -2 the actual functional patch? | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | blocking ones? | 14:12 |
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| jroll | s/summit/midcycle/ maybe? | 14:12 |
| sdague | the bogo-patch seems odd | 14:12 |
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| dansmith | sdague: it came from people complaining that -2 is "mean" | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK | 14:13 |
| dansmith | sdague: and potentially would keep people from seeing real patches on their radar | 14:13 |
| sdague | dansmith: ... um, even with reasons? | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK… well anyway, we have what we have, and we seem to kinda agree with that it is doing at least | 14:13 |
| sdague | dansmith: ok, well, if we think those are ready, can we just rebase out the bogo patchnow? | 14:13 |
| dansmith | sdague: yeah, don't ask me, I don't get that part, but the "I filter out anything with a -2 on it" makes sense of course | 14:13 |
| danpb | sdague: yeah, that's what i would have expected | 14:13 |
| dansmith | sdague: surely, I'm just saying I don't really care enough to do it | 14:14 |
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| danpb | but ho hum, i guess it isn't critical | 14:14 |
| jroll | it really doesn't matter either way | 14:14 |
| sdague | I can do it, if we just need a volunteer | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, lets move on | 14:14 |
| danpb | as long as we push ironic forward | 14:14 |
| jroll | although we would need to add __init__.py to a different patch | 14:14 |
| jroll | since that's what the first patch does | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, ironic and SRIOV do we have cores in place for those now? | 14:14 |
| jroll | yes: Ironic Driver (7 patch series starting at 111223) (sponsoring cores: dansmith, jogo and danpb) | 14:15 |
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| NobodyCam | yes! sponsoring cores: dansmith, jogo and danpb | 14:15 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I don't think we've collected cores for SRIOV yet because it seemed already granted, hence the question about the email this morning | 14:15 |
| sgordon_ | what about for the sriov one? | 14:15 |
| sgordon_ | right | 14:15 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: obviously I am on board for it, but not sure we've even looked for the other two yet | 14:15 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I would assume russellb would as well, since he was working hard on it for a while there, but I think he's tied up today | 14:16 |
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| russellb | in another meeting, *checks scrollback* | 14:16 |
| ndipanov_ | dansmith, I'd be up for it | 14:16 |
| ndipanov_ | dansmith, just didn't see the email | 14:16 |
| dansmith | russellb: sponsor SRIOV? | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info ironic gets FFE dansmith jogo danpb | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info SRIOV had official back door with support in last nova-meeting, but collecting sponsors on ML | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 14:16 |
| russellb | ACK on sponsoring SR-IOV | 14:16 |
| danpb | russellb: basically will you sponsor the SRIOV one | 14:16 |
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| danpb | arrgh, netsplit in the middle of a meeting | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh boy, net split | 14:17 |
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| NobodyCam | :-p | 14:17 |
| bauzas | this one was not huge | 14:17 |
| danpb | fortunately we seem to have kept the important people :-) | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, sounds like we are closeish on most of those | 14:17 |
| NobodyCam | Thankk you | 14:17 |
| russellb | review timeline, by friday? | 14:18 |
| dansmith | next friday | 14:18 |
| russellb | that's what i meant yeah | 14:18 |
| russellb | ok | 14:18 |
| dansmith | yep | 14:18 |
| danpb | that's merged by next friday | 14:18 |
| danpb | not merely queued with +a, right ? | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, next friday | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, so any more exceptions people wanted to cover here? | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | any other process questions? | 14:18 |
| dansmith | probably, but using judgement with the gate's status might be reasonable | 14:19 |
| ndipanov_ | dansmith, still can't see the email but I am on boeard if oyu need me | 14:19 |
| dansmith | ndipanov_: no email yet | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: yeah, ideally merged, certainly approved | 14:19 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: i missed the start, have you gone over the other FFEs requested on list yet ? | 14:19 |
| ndipanov_ | johnthetubaguy, the numa one? | 14:19 |
| danpb | NUMA,serial console at least have 3 sponsors i believe | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: nope, not gone through those, we can do that on the ML for most of them | 14:19 |
| ndipanov_ | ah ok | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, just to be clear, no approvals till we get juno-3 tagged, regardless of FFE status right? | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info please lets cut juno-3 tag before we approve anything else | 14:20 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: if so, you should send a direct email to nova-core I think | 14:20 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: lots of core folks that don't attend this meeting | 14:20 |
| ndipanov_ | johnthetubaguy, ack | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: ttx did send that mail, but it used the [all] tag | 14:21 |
| ndipanov_ | yes good point I would have missed this easily (but would have asked) | 14:21 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: right, I'm saying direct to nova core | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, I would, but I don't have the list handy, or time today, anyone fancy doing that? | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | sure, and say what? don't approve until j-3 is tagged? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | i can do that | 14:22 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: per my understanding, ttx's email was not that restictive | 14:22 |
| dansmith | I don't have the list either, but I'll try to dig it up and do i... | 14:22 |
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| dansmith | er, yeah, mriedem should do that :P | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help ideally someone relay direct email to nova-core about nova approves | 14:22 |
| mriedem | i'll be the intern | 14:22 |
| ndipanov_ | lol | 14:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: sweet, thanks, I could do with a coffee, if you can get travel approval | 14:22 |
| dansmith | nice | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 14:23 |
| mriedem | the email is just saying don't approve anything right? | 14:23 |
| ndipanov_ | mriedem, while you're in the UK... | 14:23 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yeah | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 | 14:23 |
| mriedem | that includes bugs etc? | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep | 14:23 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:23 |
| mriedem | on it boss! | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | unless they are critical blockers, but yeah | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more we need to cover here | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I vote the rest we do on the ML | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | please do shout if you don't think something should get an exception | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but we kinda need to keep the number fairly small, if NUMA gets in, not much else can merge, in reality | 14:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and I think NUMA probably should be allowed in, given it got approved already | 14:25 |
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| danpb | we've got a few things which are 1/2 merged | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | will read through stuff on ML | 14:25 |
| ndipanov_ | johnthetubaguy, from the number of patches perspective? | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: yeah, I think they should come first | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov_: yes | 14:25 |
| danpb | i think it is important to get them fully merged | 14:25 |
| danpb | as releasing 1/2 a feature is madness | 14:25 |
| ndipanov_ | johnthetubaguy, yeah... sigh damned if you do damned if you don't (split it up) | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: agreed, most that were partial, apart from NUMA were not complete anyways, and slightly on going stuff, so its not that bad | 14:26 |
| ndipanov_ | johnthetubaguy, the serial console one is also half | 14:26 |
| danpb | the serial console one is the signficant one i'm thinking of here | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, these ones: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SC1ILk7zMT | 14:26 |
| danpb | ah yes, that's the list | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 14:26 |
| jogo | I would like to remind people that as we rush to land new things we destablize the code and introduce new bugs: so we need to be careful and watch for new bugs | 14:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think we get what is going on | 14:27 |
| jogo | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | jogo: agreed | 14:27 |
| jogo | http://jogo.github.io/gate/ | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | a good segway | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:27 |
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| jogo | things are already destabilizing a little | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | its meant to be stabilisation time | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | any well, the gate says we are doing a bad job of that right now | 14:27 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: I would say that is ironic, but that is now trademarked | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol | 14:27 |
| ndipanov_ | hehe | 14:28 |
| danpb | so, how many weeks of bug fixing do we have in the schedule now | 14:28 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link http://54.201.139.117/nova-bugs.html | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | let me check... | 14:28 |
| sdague | danpb: 6 | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 14:28 |
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| ndipanov_ | jogo, can't see the ling on github tho | 14:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we just RC1 around September 25th | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | then its bit hitters only backported onto a branch after that | 14:29 |
| jogo | ndipanov_: it takes a second to load from graphite.o.o | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, more like three weeks | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yeah | 14:29 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: "big hitters" ? | 14:29 |
| jogo | johnthetubaguy: I am hoping we can release juno with <1000 open bugs | 14:29 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: was trying to look up the weird british slang, but figured maybe it was a typo | 14:30 |
| jogo | we have 1026 today | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: critical and high bugs, tagged with rc1 stuff | 14:30 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: yeah, you said "bit hitters" :) | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: you know, I think thats a cricket thing, oops, I moan about baseball stuff | 14:30 |
| sdague | jogo: I spent yesterday in the bug tracker. There are really a ton of valid things that would be nice to have > 3 weeks on, sadly | 14:30 |
| dansmith | hah | 14:30 |
| jogo | dansmith: you were right heh | 14:30 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: I targetted one bug to the rc | 14:30 |
| sdague | there is a py26 regression | 14:30 |
| danpb | i thought big hitters was a baseball thing :-) | 14:30 |
| PhilDay | we don't have slang - we have English | 14:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: oh maybe, lol | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 14:31 |
| jogo | sdague: yeah I noticed, you did make a huge dent | 14:31 |
| sdague | jogo: tjones was working it as well, not all me | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I mean the way specs are for kilo, we might have kilo-1 for bugs, which is maybe not totally aweful | 14:31 |
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| jogo | I wonder how many bugs need to go through secondary triage (after they get tags) | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | but lets not re-open that wound just now | 14:32 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, fair, mostly wanted to heads up the one regression bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1306559 | 14:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1306559 in nova "Fix python26 compatibility for RFCSysLogHandler" [High,Confirmed] | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so we should probably make sure we know what critical bugs there are | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | eek, thanks | 14:32 |
| sdague | as that seems like we should definitely address | 14:32 |
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| ndipanov_ | johnthetubaguy, sdague asI mentioned the other day - bugs we really want to fix probably need bps anyway | 14:32 |
| sdague | it's mostly an oslo sync I think | 14:32 |
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| dansmith | ndipanov_: blueprints for fixing bugs? | 14:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov_: we should track it, but that feels a bit bad | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | uh, oh | 14:33 |
| ndipanov_ | dansmith, for refactoring | 14:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways... | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic gate status | 14:34 |
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| dansmith | ndipanov_: okay, "blueprints for refactoring" != "blueprints for bugs" to me :) | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | so things are not happy | 14:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any urgent stuff we need people to look at? | 14:34 |
| mriedem | sdague: that py26 logging fix is already in nova | 14:35 |
| sdague | mriedem: ok, can you close it then? | 14:35 |
| mriedem | sdague: yup | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | awesme | 14:35 |
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| kashyap | sdague, Just wondering, Re: bugs "There are really a ton of valid things that would be nice to have > 3 weeks on, sadly" - Do you have an etherpad list of those bugs list somewhere that can be looked at, for for further triage/root-cause analysis? | 14:35 |
| sdague | that's one of the issues with the tracker state right now... a ton of already fixed things in it | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so gate state | 14:36 |
| danpb | sdague: you mean bugs which have merged into git, but not been closed in launchpad ? | 14:36 |
| sdague | kashyap: not really, I was just trying to get a mental sense of things by hacking at the > 1000 bug list | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyone got anything about that? | 14:36 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: top 3 are infra issues | 14:36 |
| mriedem | and then the ssh one that we know and love | 14:36 |
| sdague | danpb: yep. | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, yes | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, so I am sure there are others | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | but lets move on | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:37 |
| mriedem | sdague: ha, i can't close that bug out b/c launchpad times out b/c there are too many projects tied to the bug :( | 14:37 |
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| sdague | so we could take the more brutal big lock approach on the ssh one | 14:37 |
| kashyap | sdague, Okay, thought so :-). Staring at LP bugs, it's kind of hard to classify what are reasonable for a specific release as there's not much tags/categorization per release based. | 14:37 |
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| NobodyCam | Hi Ironic has a question on how to go about landing the baremetal-api proxy stuff | 14:37 |
| NobodyCam | see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116316 as ref: | 14:37 |
| NobodyCam | (note that patch is very ruff) | 14:37 |
| sdague | mriedem: try deleting projects | 14:37 |
| mriedem | sdague: yeah did that | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | NobodyCam: whats the worry? | 14:38 |
| NobodyCam | how to land it while nova bm is in place | 14:38 |
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| NobodyCam | there will be one cycle where we overlap | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | NobodyCam: can't you detect ironic vs baremetal node, and just do the right thing, or do both? | 14:39 |
| dansmith | NobodyCam: can the proxy and the nova-bm extension be exclusive, so you can only have one enabled at a time? | 14:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | NobodyCam: I guess its not quite like nova-network/neutron switch over | 14:39 |
| dansmith | or that. | 14:39 |
| NobodyCam | johnthetubaguy: of one cycle there will be both | 14:39 |
| NobodyCam | s/of/for/ | 14:39 |
| dansmith | NobodyCam: but not at the same time | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | NobodyCam: yeah, but most people will only run one or the other, I guess it depends on the migration strategy... | 14:40 |
| dansmith | NobodyCam: he means detect which is in use | 14:40 |
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| NobodyCam | I was thinking a conf var as a switch | 14:40 |
| dansmith | you already have a conf var, right? | 14:40 |
| dansmith | the virt driver? | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | NobodyCam: I guess we can depreate that conf with baremetal | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: we don't usually read that in the API though | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | but yeah, that might do the trick | 14:41 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I know, but we read the network one for switching nova/neutron, | 14:41 |
| NobodyCam | we can try that | 14:41 |
| dansmith | even though that's disgusting | 14:41 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: I wonder if there's deployers that don't set that conf in the api | 14:41 |
| dansmith | I'm sure there are, | 14:41 |
| dansmith | but we could put that into the release notes | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: its less bad than another conf I guess | 14:41 |
| jroll | right | 14:42 |
| dansmith | instead of introducing a new conf just to get rid of it | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, needs documenting | 14:42 |
| jroll | I guess either way, the config is changing, so yeah | 14:42 |
| sdague | yeh, adding to release notes is fine, it should land as deprecated and be removed in K | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | NobodyCam: does that answer your question now? | 14:42 |
| NobodyCam | I think so. we'll give it shot and see what we come up with...TY :) | 14:42 |
| sdague | the process should be deprecated... that is. So people know it's just needed during Juno | 14:42 |
| jroll | sdague: no, we're saying use the existing virt driver option | 14:43 |
| jroll | ah yeah | 14:43 |
| sdague | jroll: right, we should just be clear that we only expect people to have it in their api config for juno because of transition | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | although we remove needing the option when baremetal goes | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 14:43 |
| jroll | sdague: right, "the process" | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:43 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 14:43 |
| dansmith | yep | 14:43 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all :) | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info baremetal proxy api could use the virt driver setting to decide what mode its in, until we rip out baremetal | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, any more topics for today? | 14:44 |
| NobodyCam | not from Ironic | 14:45 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 14:45 |
| nidpanov | johnthetubaguy, so when is j-3 tagged? | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lots of meaty things on the ML, but thy are probably mostly better discussed there, once people have the context, but we could touch on them, if wanted | 14:45 |
| danpb | i guessing we don't have migration support for bare metal -> ironic for juno at this point, so we won't be able to finally kill it until Lxxxx at least now ? | 14:45 |
| nidpanov | or expected to be | 14:45 |
| sdague | I thought the migration parts where there | 14:45 |
| jroll | danpb: we have migration support | 14:45 |
| * jroll digs for links | 14:46 | |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:46 |
| danpb | oh do we, was that a different set of patches from the main ironic addition series | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | nidpanov: juno-3 is tagged once the remaining patches (5) get through the gate, or we get bored and tag it anyway, ttx is tracking that | 14:46 |
| danpb | or am i just being blind | 14:46 |
| jroll | danpb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112402/ | 14:46 |
| jroll | it's in ironic tree | 14:46 |
| danpb | jroll: ah, ok, thanks | 14:46 |
| jroll | danpb: we're also working on grenade stuff | 14:46 |
| nidpanov | johnthetubaguy, so the alredy approved pathces that got a -2 from you can be just re-approved (well after rebase...)? | 14:46 |
| sdague | yeh, it's mostly landed, there are a few last patches, but I consider that on target | 14:47 |
| danpb | so, can we update the deprecation message in baremetal driver.py | 14:47 |
| danpb | so say that we'll kill it in Kilo ? | 14:47 |
| danpb | currently it gives no target for death | 14:47 |
| dansmith | "kill it in kilo" sounds like a Janet Evanovich novel | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | nidpanov: ideally not yet, just to late the gate drain and be sure its tagged, but I could be missing something | 14:47 |
| nidpanov | johnthetubaguy, no I mean when it's tagged | 14:48 |
| nidpanov | not gonna do anything before that | 14:48 |
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| nidpanov | s/when/once/ | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | nidpanov: in your cases, yes, where the blueprint is not marked as complete yet | 14:48 |
| sdague | yeh, it's probably just something to make sure happens by rc1 | 14:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: worth a critical bug so we don't forget that I guess? | 14:49 |
| sdague | let's actually have the ironic driver merged first | 14:49 |
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| sdague | or add it to the end of that patch series | 14:49 |
| danpb | sdague: pessimist :-P | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, cart and horse, or something | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, are we done, seems like conversation is drying up now :) | 14:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks all | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | happy bug fixing and reviewing | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 14:51:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-09-04-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-09-04-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 15:00:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
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| deepakcs | Hi, bswartz, will be meeting be here or openstack-manila given we are incubated now | 15:01 |
| deepakcs | :) | 15:01 |
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| vponomaryov | hi | 15:01 |
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| deepakcs | *openstack-meeting i meant | 15:01 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: nobody meets in the project channels | 15:01 |
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| xyang2 | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | no, we use this channel because the other one is taken during this time | 15:01 |
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| deepakcs | ok | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | with so many projects it's inevitable that there will be conflicts | 15:02 |
| bswartz | I'm aware of a #openstack-meeting-3 too | 15:02 |
| deepakcs | ah i wasn't aware.. news to me :) | 15:02 |
| bswartz | someday probably a 4 and a 5 | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #topic J-3 | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | So J-3 was completed yesterday | 15:03 |
| bswartz | the EMC driver was merged and the Glusterfs "native" driver as well | 15:03 |
| bswartz | at this point I believe we're done with new features for Juno | 15:04 |
| bswartz | did anyone have something they still hoped to land? | 15:04 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, the manilaclient patch (its waiting jenkins +1) - its a dep for the glusterfs native driver | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: I know about that -- the gate is super backed up and it will take a while | 15:05 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, ok, but i hope it gets into juno as well | 15:05 |
| bswartz | python-manilaclient is not part of J-3 though so it's not a big deal | 15:05 |
| deepakcs | oh ok, didnt knew that | 15:05 |
| deepakcs | i thot the J-3 applied to all projects equally | 15:05 |
| bswartz | We don't do milestones for the client | 15:05 |
| deepakcs | ok | 15:06 |
| bswartz | we'll do a release for the client but it will be a lot more casual than the manila release itself | 15:06 |
| deepakcs | ok | 15:06 |
| bswartz | so overall I'm pleased with J-3 | 15:06 |
| deepakcs | Yo! | 15:06 |
| deepakcs | kudos to all! | 15:07 |
| bswartz | thanks especially to the efforts of xyang and vponomaryov and everyone else who helped out with reviews | 15:07 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, =1 | 15:07 |
| deepakcs | *+1 | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:07 |
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| xyang2 | thanks everyone | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | dev status is not big today | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Big part of efforts was directed to bugfixing. | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | 2) Default share-network for multitenant drivers (planned for K) | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/default-network-for-multitenant-drivers | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/114258 | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | status: available for testing | 15:08 |
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| vponomaryov | other mentioned stuff: | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Manila has new driver - EMC VNX. | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | 4) Manila has possibility to provide GlusterFS shares using appropriate driver. | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | that's the main update for a week | 15:09 |
| bswartz | thanks vponomaryov | 15:09 |
| bswartz | btw it looks like jenkins isn't happy with the default network change | 15:09 |
| bswartz | but I'm glad it's avialable for review | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | just because it won't merge until Kilo doesn't mean we can't keep reviewing/testing it now | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I spent some time cleaning up LP yesterday before publishing the J-3 tag for manila | 15:10 |
| bswartz | please target your bugs in LP to a milestone | 15:10 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, can u pls approve the cert-based-access-type bp.. given that most of the code is merged | 15:10 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: oh yeah I never went back and did that | 15:11 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, i put target as J-3 for the above cert bp | 15:11 |
| bswartz | but this feed into my next topic | 15:11 |
| bswartz | #topic J-4 plans | 15:11 |
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| xyang2 | bswartz: is there a guideline on what can still be approved for Juno? Any bug fixes with J-3 tag? | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | xyang2: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | so we have several bugs targetted at juno-rc1 now | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | xyang2: bug fixies with bug id | 15:12 |
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| xyang2 | vponomaryov: thanks | 15:12 |
| bswartz | please make sure anything you want fixed in juno has a target of juno-rc1 | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | we will review that list and try to get it to zero as fast as possible | 15:13 |
| bswartz | anything that can wait should be targetted to kilo-1 or later | 15:13 |
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| xyang2 | bswartz: I'll only approve bugs with the juno-rc1 tag then | 15:14 |
| bswartz | yes thanks | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | I need to double check that not just anybody can target a bug to a milestone | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | but assuming we to the right targeting in LP we should have a smooth release | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | so the other thing (other than bugs) we should focus on during J-4 is reviewing and updating docs | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: docs on wiki? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | now that we're incubated we have a chance to get into the integrated docs | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so some of the docs will need to migrate from wiki to docs.openstack.org | 15:18 |
| bswartz | and we'll need to review them for content, especially for stuff that's changed | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: if you mean docs in manila project, then it does not satisfy criteria "only dugfixies" | 15:18 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, Is J-4 same as juno-rc1 ? (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule doesn't talk abt J-4, hence the Q) | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | J-4 is the period from now until Oct 16 (Juno Release) | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: what about horizon extension? | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is incompatible now | 15:20 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: by docs I was referring to http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/ | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: API and client changes affected our horizon with manila support | 15:20 |
| bswartz | we will have to do some work for horizon, tempest, and devstack, and I believe all of that work can wait until K-1 | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | so priorities should be: | 15:22 |
| bswartz | #1 find critical bugs / fix bugs for juno-rc1 | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | #2 update docs and move them to openstack-manuals | 15:22 |
| bswartz | #3 get back to work on new features aimed at kilo-1 | 15:22 |
| bswartz | any comments/questions? | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | with any luck we will be able to cut RC1 early in the J-4 cycle | 15:24 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, what about the cirros image issue... we hold it till K-1 as well ? | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: that's outside the manila team's control right now so work can continue on that on whatever schedule | 15:25 |
| deepakcs | ok | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | that's another issue we should tackle in kilo-1 though -- how to get a reference image controlled by the manila team | 15:25 |
| bswartz | we'll need to create a new project most likel | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | so does anyone have anything else? | 15:26 |
| csaba | bswartz: yes | 15:26 |
| csaba | terminology question | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | for those of you who don't know, we will almost certainly get some official time on the design summit schedule, but I don't know how much | 15:27 |
| bswartz | so think about topics to discuss in paris | 15:27 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, is there a place where we can post the potential topics ? | 15:28 |
| deepakcs | or see who has proposed what | 15:28 |
| bswartz | csaba: go ahead | 15:28 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: http://summit.openstack.org/ | 15:28 |
| csaba | so as we discussed last time, insteaad of single vs multi-tenant drivers we'll prefer to speak of flat-network vs ... kind of drivers? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | as you can see, it's not open yet | 15:29 |
| bswartz | csaba: oh yes | 15:29 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, got it | 15:29 |
| csaba | "bloated network drivers"? :) | 15:29 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I like it | 15:29 |
| bswartz | seriously though | 15:29 |
| bswartz | we have "flat-network" and "secure multitenancy" or "segmented-network" drivers | 15:30 |
| deepakcs | how abt neutron-network based drivers ? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | I guess we don't have an agreed-upon name for the non-flat-network drivers | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | this is it - non-flat-network drivers | 15:31 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: we can't reference neutron because we're trying to eliminated that dependency | 15:31 |
| csaba | it's just comes up when I'm to word my thougths | 15:31 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: what is segmented-network? is this the gateway-assisted? | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | xyang2: vlan, vxlan usage, etc | 15:31 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, i think we need to conclude on the right terminologies and put them for good in the manila wikipage, so that we can all talk the same lingo | 15:32 |
| bswartz | xyang2: by segmented we just mean the tenants are on something like VLANs or VXLANs | 15:32 |
| xyang2 | vponomaryov: ok, thanks | 15:32 |
| bswartz | okay these are all good points | 15:32 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: ok | 15:32 |
| bswartz | let's plan to make decisions on terminology by next week | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | I'd like to think over the options and write some stuff down | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I think I know what I mean when I talk about this stuff but if people don't understand it then it's no good | 15:33 |
| csaba | bswartz: OK cool that's also good as base effort for outlined doc effort | 15:33 |
| csaba | s/base effort/base/ | 15:33 |
| bswartz | yeah the front page of our manual needs to have a glossary section where we explain our manila-specific terminology | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | okay looks like we're done early today | 15:34 |
| bswartz | going once.... | 15:35 |
| bswartz | twice.... | 15:35 |
| deepakcs | The terminology should go not just into manuals, but also in wikpage and hacking.rst too, so that developers, people googling and customers reading manuals all can read the same | 15:35 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: good points | 15:35 |
| bswartz | I'll make a note on the agenda for next week | 15:35 |
| bswartz | okay thanks everyone | 15:36 |
| deepakcs | bye | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 15:36:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, thanks for ur efforts on the incubation front! | 15:36 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-09-04-15.00.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-09-04-15.00.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-09-04-15.00.log.html | 15:36 |
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| asyriy | Hello | 15:59 |
| vkozhukalov | hey | 15:59 |
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| mihgen | hi | 15:59 |
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| vkozhukalov | let's start | 15:59 |
| tuvenen | hi | 15:59 |
| rvyalov | hi | 15:59 |
| dshulyak | hi | 15:59 |
| vkozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 15:59:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:00 |
| christopheraedo | hello | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| evgeniyl_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| vkozhukalov | #chair vkozhukalov | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: vkozhukalov | 16:00 |
| akislitsky_ | hi | 16:00 |
| mihgen | seems like many people here, good | 16:00 |
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| vkozhukalov | yes | 16:00 |
| mihgen | agenda is huge, pls be prepared | 16:00 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic Patching of OpenStack: current status, remaining issues. | 16:00 |
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| aglarendil | me is talking | 16:01 |
| mattymo | hi all | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | agenda as usual is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
| sambork | hello all | 16:01 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: I think you can also copy the guy in brackets, who will be providing ingo | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: ok | 16:01 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:01 |
| vkozhukalov | aglarendil: your turn broadcast | 16:01 |
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| sbog | hi all | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | we managed to write a hook that applies before patching starts | 16:02 |
| aglarendil | it removes all openstack packages and allows puppet to redeploy all the openstack code | 16:02 |
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| aglarendil | also, we need to apply some patches to orchestrator and nailgun part to run patching one node by one node | 16:03 |
| aglarendil | and allow user to restart patching, not only to rollback | 16:03 |
| aglarendil | so, currently we are facing some issues with rollback | 16:03 |
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| aglarendil | 1) some of swift manifests need to be backported to old 5.0 to allow rollback | 16:03 |
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| aglarendil | 2) I am seeing some issues with pacemaker issues right now, so we need to add some commands to pre patching hook | 16:04 |
| aglarendil | my estimate that it will take one more day | 16:04 |
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| vkozhukalov | what about missing version.yaml and lack of info in api/version? was that about patching? | 16:05 |
| aglarendil | I guess, no | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | aglarendil: ok, thanx, sounds well | 16:05 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:05 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic Juno testing update (mattymo) | 16:06 |
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| mattymo | thanks vkozhukalov | 16:06 |
| mattymo | I've been working with Timur Nurlygayanov, Denis Egorenko, and Ivan Berezovskiy on Juno readiness. The first goal, which was accomplished last week, was to get Fuel Master fully functional under Juno packages. | 16:06 |
| mattymo | The three main blockers were hardcoded python version dependencies for nailgun and ostf, keystoneclient missing dependencies, and saharaclient dependencies. I've worked around these for now in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117801/ until they are all fixed. | 16:06 |
| mattymo | Fuel Master deploys fine. OpenStack deploys and starts all services fine. There are still some dependency issues preventing horizon from working, but we can provision instances now. | 16:06 |
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| mattymo | Lots of patches and bugs are open that are waiting to be merged after freeze here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-6.0-update The majority of changes are small Puppet config changes and rebasing or new python dependencies. | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | mattymo: wow that sounds like very good progress | 16:07 |
| mattymo | Also, all bugs related to this effort are tagged with "juno". | 16:07 |
| mihgen | can you provide OS / modes you tested? | 16:07 |
| mattymo | CentOS simple and HA. Ubuntu simple. | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | what about ceph, and other ? | 16:08 |
| mattymo | neutron hasn't been tested yet. Most effort was on ceilometer and horizon today. | 16:08 |
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| mattymo | Still haven't tested sahara or heat, as far as I understand. | 16:08 |
| mihgen | oh ok, neutron was always pain | 16:08 |
| mihgen | murano deploys heatr | 16:08 |
| mihgen | so if you tested murano then you covered heat | 16:08 |
| mihgen | thanks mattymo, very good progress | 16:08 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:08 |
| mattymo | I don't think we did murano yet either. I'm more or less putting out fires as they go along. | 16:08 |
| mattymo | vkozhukalov, go ahead | 16:09 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Ensure that Fuel can reliably provision at least 100 nodes - status? (sambork) (holser) | 16:09 |
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| vkozhukalov | mattymo: thanx | 16:09 |
| sambork | we started working with Lukasz Oles on bp for this task. In middle time we modified the load test writen by Alexander , we added profiler as a middleweare to collect stats and identify more bootlenecks, also we added new tests. We still need to contact mos openstack team to talk about this task. | 16:09 |
| mihgen | sambork: can you provide bp for this? | 16:09 |
| mihgen | we should target it to 6.0 sooner | 16:10 |
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| sambork | tomorrow we will send bp to review | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | sambork: very good that you collaborated with akislitsky_ , hope we will be able to use Fuel CI for controlling further patches to nailgun | 16:10 |
| vkozhukalov | sambork: you mean spec? right? | 16:10 |
| holser | I guess we’ll have more bottlenacks as operators, as our networking won’t be able to handle all virtual instances | 16:10 |
| mihgen | any work done on astute side? | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | holser: it's more question to openstack itself, not fuel | 16:11 |
| mihgen | should be targeted by mos-openstack team | 16:11 |
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| mihgen | our issue is provisioning of 100 nodes | 16:11 |
| mihgen | PXE will die under if done simultaneously, astute should address sequences | 16:11 |
| sambork | vkozhukalov: yes i thought about spec | 16:12 |
| mihgen | ok I think it should be discussed in spec | 16:12 |
| holser | I’d say if we have separate network role, so we can use separate hardware for networking and that should help | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | let's move on, thanks for info, sambork - let's get bp tomorrow in specs | 16:12 |
| vkozhukalov | mihgen: it is not a problem as we can easily to substitute pxe with ipxe | 16:12 |
| christopheraedo | regarding provisioning 100 nodes, hardware for fuel master node can be a big issue (especially disk IO), I'll add comments to BP | 16:12 |
| mihgen | excellent, sambork - don't forget to send email to openstack-dev then once you put first version to review | 16:13 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Extend authx Fuel feature to make sure we can upgrade 5.1 -> 5.1.1(sambork) | 16:13 |
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| sambork | ok, np | 16:13 |
| sambork | Lukasz(salmon) is working on bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118284/1 so please comment and discuss it | 16:14 |
| mihgen | is it about authx? | 16:14 |
| vkozhukalov | salmon around? | 16:14 |
| mihgen | yep. good | 16:14 |
| tzn | no, he is away | 16:14 |
| mihgen | evgeniyl_ is mandatory to review that | 16:14 |
| evgeniyl_ | mihgen: got it | 16:14 |
| mihgen | thx let's move on | 16:14 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic HTTPS for Fuel (prmtl) | 16:15 |
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| sambork | Also I have a question, what do we do with not finished stage III from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96429/11/specs/5.1/access-control-master-node.rst and not started stage IV . Should we focus also on this task? Because probably as a Polish team we will have enough resources | 16:15 |
| prmtl | idea is to make all APIs to work under HTTPS, draft of the blueprint is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nailgun-ssl-endpoints | 16:15 |
| prmtl | implementation has 3 stages: enable ssl, secure agent (need more research), user upload own certificate | 16:15 |
| prmtl | it’s highly related to SSL for OpenStack endpoints since it should use the same certificate and mechanism for generating one | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | sambork: let's get this question in openstack-dev | 16:16 |
| sambork | mihgen: ok | 16:16 |
| mihgen | prmtl: don't we want to combine it with SSL feature for OPenStack REST API endpoints ? | 16:16 |
| mihgen | we can keep it separate too | 16:16 |
| mihgen | but the part which is common should be in one blueprint /spec, like upload new cert into Fuel UI | 16:17 |
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| tzn | SSL endpoints are terminated on controller, this is aobut our internal stuff | 16:17 |
| mihgen | prmtl: is there a bp for it? | 16:17 |
| mihgen | tzn: I understand it's about Fuel UI, correct? | 16:17 |
| prmtl | afaik part about uploading own cert has been removed from the ssl feature for os api endpoint | 16:17 |
| tzn | UI, and possibly APIs | 16:17 |
| tzn | yes, that bp assumes self signed CA | 16:18 |
| tzn | s/CA/sert/ | 16:18 |
| mihgen | prmtl: then let's get this removed part to new bp | 16:18 |
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| prmtl | mihgen: ok | 16:18 |
| mihgen | we might want to discuss it over email too | 16:18 |
| mihgen | let's not hesitate to spam ML ) | 16:19 |
| prmtl | will do | 16:19 |
| vkozhukalov | prmtl: thanx | 16:19 |
| mihgen | thanks folks, SSL is needed really | 16:19 |
| vkozhukalov | moving | 16:19 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic AuthX missing features | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | looks like duplicate topic | 16:19 |
| vkozhukalov | yes | 16:19 |
| mihgen | was not this discussed | 16:19 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic API versioning status (nmarkov) | 16:19 |
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| meow-nofer__ | we had a couple of meetings on this | 16:20 |
| meow-nofer__ | so, I’m currently working on a spec in fuel-specs | 16:20 |
| mihgen | meow-nofer: excellent. link | 16:20 |
| mihgen | ? | 16:20 |
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| meow-nofer__ | mihgen: not uploaded yet, planning for tomorrow | 16:20 |
| mihgen | meow-nofer__: ok.. let's do this sooner | 16:20 |
| mihgen | is it a blocker for 6.0? | 16:21 |
| meow-nofer__ | most probably, yes | 16:21 |
| meow-nofer__ | we need it at least in some ugly way | 16:21 |
| mihgen | but if it's not fully ready, we could survive by workarounds, right? | 16:21 |
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| mihgen | like we did in 5.1 already? | 16:21 |
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| meow-nofer__ | mihgen: yep, I’ll try to do my best | 16:21 |
| mihgen | sooner we implement it the better, the less to work around | 16:22 |
| mihgen | let's be all prepared to review | 16:22 |
| meow-nofer__ | need to continue with discussion of some related subjects | 16:22 |
| vkozhukalov | meow-nofer__ thanx | 16:22 |
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| meow-nofer__ | fuel-dev thread seems to be almost dead | 16:22 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Granular deployment status (dshulyak) | 16:22 |
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| dshulyak | first of all, there is spec, and i would appreciate reviews | 16:22 |
| dshulyak | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113491/ | 16:22 |
| mihgen | meow-nofer__: ping ppl there then | 16:22 |
| dshulyak | 2. we have almost all code for iteration 1, i think warpc__ will finish tommorow | 16:22 |
| dshulyak | necessery astute refactoring, and it will enable end-to-end testing | 16:22 |
| dshulyak | 3. tasklib already rewritten in python https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118311/, waiting for reviewers | 16:22 |
| dshulyak | 4. there was some problems with dependencies for tasklib gem, but all | 16:23 |
| dshulyak | necessary stuff for python impl already in mirror, i will prepare small spec tommorow | 16:23 |
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| vkozhukalov | dshulyak: great | 16:23 |
| mihgen | dshulyak: looks like good progress for implementation, not just specing | 16:23 |
| dshulyak | i hope we will have working deployment by the end of next week | 16:23 |
| mihgen | though bad that it goes too much forward from code ) | 16:23 |
| mihgen | we need to review asap then | 16:23 |
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| mihgen | so there will be less need to rewrite some parts ) | 16:23 |
| mihgen | dshulyak: excellent, thanks | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov | does anybody want to review this spec& | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov | ? | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | vkozhukalov: all nailgun/astute core should | 16:24 |
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| dshulyak | actually it is related to library too | 16:24 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Anonymous collection stats status (teran) | 16:25 |
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| teran | Currently we’re starting designing stats feature. | 16:25 |
| teran | We’re already discussed some details and ready to start writing specs since next week. | 16:25 |
| teran | Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/send-anon-usage | 16:25 |
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| vkozhukalov | teran: great | 16:26 |
| mihgen | teran: good. I heard this gonna be led by akislitsky_ ? | 16:26 |
| vkozhukalov | any questions here? | 16:26 |
| akislitsky_ | mihgen, yep | 16:26 |
| teran | mihgen: yep, he's a feature lead | 16:26 |
| vkozhukalov | so, moving on | 16:26 |
| mihgen | ok thanks folks. Design has to be done by next Th | 16:27 |
| mihgen | for 6.0 | 16:27 |
| mihgen | we need to get it running in 6.0, might be in some pre-production, but already working mode | 16:27 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic Image-based provisioning status (vkozhukalov) | 16:27 |
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| vkozhukalov | this week I implemented bootloader installing stuff in fuel agent | 16:27 |
| vkozhukalov | it is under review | 16:27 |
| vkozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114245/ | 16:28 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: important question :) When do we expect to enable all this? Can it become experimental in 6.0 ? | 16:28 |
| vkozhukalov | agordeev is now working on ceph stuff and functional tests | 16:28 |
| mihgen | ceph?? | 16:28 |
| vkozhukalov | yes, it can | 16:28 |
| mihgen | disk partitioning for ceph? | 16:29 |
| mihgen | or what do you mean by ceph here? | 16:29 |
| vkozhukalov | yes, we need to add some logic which is still not implemented | 16:29 |
| mihgen | vkozhukalov: ok, very good, would be great to see it in experimental soon in 6.0. | 16:29 |
| vkozhukalov | yes disk partitioning for ceph | 16:30 |
| vkozhukalov | actually some logic about ceph-journals | 16:30 |
| xarses | I would like to see pmanager die | 16:30 |
| vkozhukalov | we have tricky stuff in pmanager | 16:30 |
| vkozhukalov | i would too | 16:30 |
| mihgen | xarses: +1 :) | 16:30 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:30 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic SSL support for OpenStack endpoints status(tuvenen) | 16:31 |
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| tuvenen | First here is the link to the spec | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102273/ | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | Status about the spec: The review is in good progress. Serveral people already | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | reviewed it. Basically I think that we are almost agree. | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | To give a quick reminder. We propose to configure the API endpoints on public | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | network with SSL. This will be done through HAProxy. That means that the | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | communication between the client and the HAProxy will use SSL. The decryption | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | will be done by the HAProxy and it will also pass the request to the | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | corresponding service. It works for Horizon as well. | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | As said we will use a self-signed certificate generated by astute and distributed on | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | all nodes that are running HAProxy. | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | There are still two points that are not clear in the spec: | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | First we suppose that HAProxy will always be deployed. So we added a link to | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | the single-controller-ha blueprint. We are not 100% sure if it will be in | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | Fuel 6.1. | 16:31 |
| tuvenen | And the other point is that currently we are only dealing with the self-signed | 16:32 |
| tuvenen | certificate. I think that the Rest API to manage the download of certificate | 16:32 |
| tuvenen | will be in another BP. It can be discussed directly in the spec review. | 16:32 |
| mihgen | xarses: will we finally do it? I mean only HA? | 16:32 |
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| xarses | tuvenen: yes, I think so | 16:32 |
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| tuvenen | ok cool | 16:32 |
| tuvenen | About the code: | 16:32 |
| tuvenen | There are puppets manifests to sync+adapt the upstream manifest of haproxy and | 16:32 |
| tuvenen | to manage the configuration of HAProxy. Reviews are in progress and tests are | 16:32 |
| tuvenen | needed. It is not well tested because it requires to use HAProxy >= 1.5 and | 16:32 |
| tuvenen | it is not available for Fuel right now (the work is in progress). Fuel needs | 16:32 |
| tuvenen | special patches. | 16:32 |
| mihgen | > can be another bp | 16:32 |
| mihgen | +1 | 16:32 |
| vkozhukalov | tuvenen: thanx, great status report | 16:32 |
| vkozhukalov | will read later today | 16:33 |
| tuvenen | and finally, The part about the management of the self-signed certificate is not started yet. | 16:33 |
| tuvenen | vkozhukalov, ok ) | 16:33 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on | 16:33 |
| angdraug | tuvenen: fuel needs only one special patch | 16:33 |
| angdraug | and it's very cleanly applicable | 16:33 |
| holser | tuvenen, mihgen I can help with haproxy 1.5 | 16:33 |
| mihgen | tuvenen: thanks looks like we are in a very good shape with spec, though reviews are still needed | 16:33 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic multiple L2 networks (rmoe) | 16:34 |
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| mihgen | haproxy should be under msemenov's | 16:34 |
| tuvenen | angdraug, yes I think its almost ready | 16:34 |
| rmoe | Currently all unit tests pass. BVT is still failing but the issues don't look related to my changes (CentOS fails with Paramiko issues and Ubuntu fails with swift-related errors). | 16:34 |
| rmoe | xarses helped me set up a test environment with libvirt that is working now. That testing exposed a few small issues that I fixed yesterday. If the BVT tests will pass then I see no reason this code can't be merged now while I continue to test in our multiple network environemnt. | 16:34 |
| msemenov | yes, Alex Mogylchenko is working on it now for 6.0 | 16:34 |
| rmoe | I almost had a successful deployment yesterday but I had some configuration issues in libvirt. I hope to have a successful end-to-end deployment today. | 16:34 |
| mihgen | wait ubuntu should not fail | 16:34 |
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| mihgen | we should have green BVTs | 16:34 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: are not we? | 16:34 |
| rmoe | I was only able to run 2 yesterday (one was my fault and one was with some swift error) | 16:35 |
| angdraug | the spec should also be updated, there's a -1 from dpyzhov related to upgrade impact | 16:35 |
| mihgen | rmoe: excellent, do you get enough reviewers? | 16:35 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: did you review that? | 16:35 |
| rmoe | right now only akasatkin: has reviewd the changes | 16:35 |
| mihgen | rmoe: and obviously this code is to drop once we open master | 16:35 |
| mihgen | we need more pythonish force here | 16:36 |
| rmoe | should be ready to go by then | 16:36 |
| akasatkin | yes, I have questions but I wait for review status of request | 16:36 |
| mihgen | folks let's help with that | 16:36 |
| rmoe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99179/ | 16:36 |
| rmoe | There are three outstanding items right now: | 16:36 |
| rmoe | 1. Adding commands to fuel-cli to create node groups and assign nodes to them (this is in-progress right now) | 16:36 |
| rmoe | 2. Restrict the UI to only show networks from the default group. Right now the network settings screen will show ALL networks. | 16:36 |
| mihgen | rmoe: there is a large docs piece I believe | 16:36 |
| rmoe | 3. Automatically manage DHCP ranges for additional fuelweb_admin networks. dnsmasq supports conf.d style configs so we can automatically write out the correct settings for each network and remove the files when networks are deleted. Users can also do this manually | 16:36 |
| rmoe | yes, there will definitely need to be some doucmentation about this :) | 16:36 |
| mihgen | what size of the env should be to start thinking about this feature? | 16:37 |
| mihgen | 50 nodes? | 16:37 |
| angdraug | 2 racks | 16:37 |
| rmoe | could be even less than that | 16:37 |
| rmoe | yeah 2 racks | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | ok. understood. but we can still survive with 100 nodes without this feature, correct? | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | but it's not gonna be scalable? | 16:38 |
| rmoe | depends on the network hardware but yes it should still work | 16:38 |
| xarses | mihgen: yes, but barely | 16:38 |
| mihgen | ok thx | 16:38 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic building deb packages when building iso (brain461) | 16:38 |
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| brain461_ | hello | 16:38 |
| brain461_ | Building of fuel deb packages during iso - code is ready, I'm testing it on my local box. Will ask our guys for review as soon as custom iso passes bvt. | 16:38 |
| vkozhukalov | sounds good | 16:39 |
| mihgen | brain461_: very good | 16:39 |
| mihgen | what about specs in git publicly? | 16:39 |
| mihgen | public gerrit I mean with specs? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | where would the one get specs now to build packages? | 16:40 |
| xarses | is there somewhere discussing what this is needed for? | 16:40 |
| brain461_ | That's side project of building openstack packages, but I'm going to add documentation for it though | 16:40 |
| mihgen | xarses: it's about building packages without OBS or something | 16:41 |
| mihgen | part of deploy from master efforts | 16:41 |
| xarses | Ok, thanks | 16:41 |
| brain461_ | xarses: at the moment, we build rpm packages for fuel only | 16:41 |
| mihgen | and finally to have ability to deploy vanilla openstack, not MOS | 16:41 |
| angdraug | is there an overview of the whole deploy from master effort that could provide context for side projects like this one? | 16:41 |
| mihgen | brain461_: what do you mean for fuel only? | 16:41 |
| mihgen | does it include openstack packgaes? | 16:41 |
| angdraug | he means fuel-main only builds rpms of fuel components | 16:42 |
| brain461_ | I mean, during an iso build. It will include both fuel and openstack packages | 16:42 |
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| angdraug | what about os packages? | 16:42 |
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| angdraug | like ovs, qemu etc? | 16:42 |
| mihgen | it will or it already does for RPM for openstack components? | 16:43 |
| brain461_ | should these packages be built during ISO compiling? | 16:43 |
| mihgen | brain461_: not necessarily | 16:43 |
| brain461_ | it already does rpm packages for OS | 16:43 |
| mihgen | I might want to build a package, but then use it as I want | 16:43 |
| brain461_ | DEB packages for OS are planned for 6.0 | 16:43 |
| mihgen | ok. brain461_ , so do you have specs for this whole feature? | 16:44 |
| brain461_ | there is a BP and specs for building OS packages, going to add specs for fuel packages as well | 16:44 |
| mihgen | brain461_: pls share a link to bp with everyone | 16:45 |
| brain461_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/openstack-from-master | 16:45 |
| brain461_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/openstack-from-master | 16:45 |
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| angdraug | that's not a spec | 16:46 |
| tzn | https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-specs/blob/master/specs/5.1/openstack-from-master.rst | 16:46 |
| mihgen | I'm not really happy to see it merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101868/ | 16:46 |
| vkozhukalov | there is a link to the spec | 16:46 |
| mihgen | with just a review from dpyzhov only | 16:46 |
| mihgen | should I limit merge to fuel-specs to myself only to avoid this.. ? | 16:47 |
| angdraug | there's a link to something that looks like an unfilled template of a spec | 16:47 |
| vkozhukalov | angdraug: you are right, lots of gaps | 16:47 |
| mihgen | ok let's get it sorted out. brain461_ to send all links we have to mailing list | 16:47 |
| mihgen | we might need to reopen the effort | 16:47 |
| mihgen | and get enough people to review | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | otherwise we might end up with reimplementation of the whole thing later, thus wasting resources | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov | looks like we've discussed next topic as well | 16:48 |
| vkozhukalov | moving on? | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | brain461_: thanks for keeping pushing this even with my complaints - this work is really needed for us all | 16:49 |
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| vkozhukalov | #topic how doc team should work with bugs (dmitryme) | 16:49 |
| mihgen | with the move to external gerrit we are not only making real community story, but coming with improving our dev workflow | 16:49 |
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| dmitryme | yep, seems like its my turn | 16:50 |
| dmitryme | so, basically the problem is doc team (Meg and Irina) are working on documenting known issues. They need some way to distribute workload among themselves. They want to do that by assigning bugs to each other. But at the same time, bugs are already assigned to engineers working on them. | 16:50 |
| dmitryme | I propose the following approach to solve the problem: we create another series 'doc' in addition to '5.0.x', '5.1.x', etc., we have right now in launchpad. Then whenever one of the doc team wants to assign a bug to herself, she adds 'doc' series as affected and assigns the bug to herself within that series. In launchpad bugs having several series affected can have different assignee for them. | 16:50 |
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| angdraug | I strongly object | 16:50 |
| mihgen | I against of creating another series | 16:50 |
| angdraug | we shouldn't overload release series with this new meaning | 16:50 |
| mihgen | let's use tags for it | 16:50 |
| dmitryme | wow | 16:50 |
| dmitryme | you guys are like mind-connected | 16:50 |
| dmitryme | :-) | 16:50 |
| mihgen | ) | 16:51 |
| angdraug | our docs team is not large enough for the workload distrubution to become a problem | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | separate mirror bugs are not good to | 16:51 |
| mihgen | too* | 16:51 |
| angdraug | as long as engineers are still working on a bug, it's too early to document it | 16:51 |
| mihgen | I think tags, and their periodical syncs should solve the issue | 16:51 |
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| angdraug | mihgen: +1 | 16:51 |
| mihgen | their == engineers | 16:51 |
| mihgen | like if there is a tag "meg" , than it means meg took the bug for documentation | 16:52 |
| dmitryme | ok, as for me, one more series is not a big deal | 16:52 |
| mihgen | would that work? | 16:52 |
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| angdraug | I don't think even that is really necessary | 16:52 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: one more series is pretty heavy for LP | 16:52 |
| dmitryme | but if you guys don’t really like it, I will propose them to use tags for assignment | 16:52 |
| angdraug | fuel-docs as a tag works fine | 16:52 |
| mihgen | it basically needs to put all right statuses, milestone, too many clicks | 16:53 |
| mihgen | fuel-docs will not work. They need to separate work between them | 16:53 |
| angdraug | there's only two of them, how hard can it be? | 16:53 |
| mihgen | like what is doing tech writer #1, and what #2 | 16:53 |
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| angdraug | what happens if we have 10 tech writers? 10 tags? | 16:54 |
| dmitryme | yep, like mihgen said, the will need tags like doc-irina and doc-meg | 16:54 |
| mihgen | they might start documenting same bug - dups without knowing it | 16:54 |
| mihgen | 10 tags might be fine too, why not? | 16:54 |
| angdraug | they have each other's emails | 16:54 |
| angdraug | and there's etherpad and google sheets | 16:54 |
| mihgen | emails and what? Nope that won't work | 16:54 |
| mihgen | let me simple exampel | 16:54 |
| angdraug | remember, we're only talking about 'known issues' category of bugs | 16:54 |
| xarses | they should take ownership of the bug like th engs do | 16:54 |
| tzn | and still we havae only too. DOn’t overengineer here ;) | 16:54 |
| mihgen | new bug apperaed and fixed | 16:55 |
| angdraug | xarses: +1 | 16:55 |
| mihgen | so how I gonna find it? | 16:55 |
| mihgen | xarses: -1 | 16:55 |
| mihgen | because they start working at the same time as dev is in progress | 16:55 |
| angdraug | if bug is high or critical and has docs tag on it | 16:55 |
| angdraug | it shouldn't be fix committed until its documented | 16:55 |
| mihgen | so it should be still on dev | 16:55 |
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| angdraug | it should be assigned to one of the tech writers | 16:55 |
| mihgen | angdraug: it's gonna be impossible to calculate HCF or anything | 16:56 |
| dmitryme | angdraug: err, that is the first time I hear that | 16:56 |
| mihgen | I won't be able to separate dev from docs | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | looks like we need email discussion in openstack-dev about it | 16:56 |
| angdraug | why would you want to? | 16:56 |
| angdraug | if docs are not ready, you can't release | 16:56 |
| mihgen | LP doesn't allow to do everything so we are working around | 16:56 |
| mihgen | angdraug: +1 | 16:57 |
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| vkozhukalov | 3 minutes | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | dmitryme: can you post email to openstack-dev [Fuel] with this question? | 16:57 |
| angdraug | yes, lets move this to email | 16:57 |
| dmitryme | angdraug: but it could be that an engineer and doc-writer work in parallel on the bug | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | exactly | 16:57 |
| dmitryme | mihgen: yep, will do | 16:57 |
| mihgen | that's what I'm talking about | 16:57 |
| angdraug | you can also have more than one engineer working on a bug | 16:57 |
| angdraug | same situation | 16:57 |
| mihgen | all right folks great meeting I think | 16:57 |
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| vkozhukalov | thanx everyone | 16:58 |
| mihgen | those who have action item to share specs - let's don't hesitate and post email to openstack-dev | 16:58 |
| dmitryme | not exactly, I think about assigned engineer as the one responsible | 16:58 |
| mihgen | and provide short description on what you are working on | 16:58 |
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| dmitryme | even if a team works on the bug | 16:58 |
| vkozhukalov | #topic announcement Fuel september meetup | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-september-meetup-2014 | 16:59 |
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| mihgen | folks we gonna run it in Silicon Valley 15-26 of sep | 16:59 |
| mihgen | anyone is welcome to join | 16:59 |
| mihgen | there not many of us but still | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | thanx mihgen | 16:59 |
| vkozhukalov | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| mihgen | thanks guys | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 17:00:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-09-04-15.59.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-09-04-15.59.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-09-04-15.59.log.html | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | who's got it today? | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | Yo | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | yo yo | 17:01 |
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| tkelsey | Who is chair? Hyakhui is away | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne ? | 17:02 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:03 |
| chair6 | hola | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:03 |
| dg__ | I can chair if no-one else is lined up | 17:03 |
| sicarie | Go for it | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | dg__ take it away | 17:03 |
| dg__ | kk | 17:03 |
| sarnold007 | hi | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | hi sarnold007 | 17:04 |
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| dg__ | #topic OSSNs | 17:04 |
| bknudson | we need a #startmeeting | 17:04 |
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| rlpple | \o | 17:04 |
| dg__ | thanks bknudson | 17:05 |
| bdpayne | hi! | 17:05 |
| dg__ | hi bdpayne | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | hey | 17:05 |
| dg__ | #startmeeting OSSG | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 17:05:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dg__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OSSG)" | 17:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ossg' | 17:05 |
| dg__ | #topic OSSN | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSN (Meeting topic: OSSG)" | 17:05 | |
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| dg__ | We dont have much of an agenda this week, so lets start off with the current OSSNs, then jump through topics as people propose them? | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | cool | 17:06 |
| dg__ | tmcpeak how is the OSSN queue looking atm? | 17:06 |
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| nkinder | hi all, lost track of time. | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: just the man to answer | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | dg__ | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | 10:06 | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | tmcpeak how is the OSSN queue looking atm? | 17:07 |
| nkinder | large | 17:07 |
| nkinder | we have 11, and 6 are in progress | 17:07 |
| bdpayne | is there a bottle neck or are things progressing smoothly? | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | here's 0026 in case anybody has time to take a look: https://review.openstack.org/118910 | 17:08 |
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| nkinder | bdpayne: some are hitting a bottleneck | 17:08 |
| dg__ | tmcpeak I'll take a look after this meeting | 17:08 |
| nkinder | so we need to get through reviews and wrap the ones we have | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | shohel had one too that wasn't formatted very well if I remember, has that one made progress? | 17:08 |
| nkinder | This one is very close - https://review.openstack.org/114971 | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | dg__: thanks! | 17:08 |
| sicarie | I'd also like some input on 0025 if possible: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117928/1 | 17:09 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: ^^^ that one just needs one more +2 from OSSG | 17:09 |
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| bdpayne | ok, I can review | 17:09 |
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| tmcpeak | sicarie: I'll check it out after the meeting | 17:09 |
| sicarie | Thanks! | 17:09 |
| nkinder | 0020 is stalled out. | 17:09 |
| bdpayne | I have a review queue to go through after this meeting | 17:09 |
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| tmcpeak | nkinder: I'm asking Priti to come over to share some status on that | 17:10 |
| dg__ | nkinder I will take a review of 0020 too after this meeting | 17:10 |
| bdpayne | nkinder should I approve the workflow for 20 if I'm ok with it? | 17:10 |
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| nkinder | bdpayne: you mean 0023? | 17:10 |
| dg__ | who else can +2? rob is afk this week | 17:10 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: yes, you can +A it is you approve | 17:10 |
| nkinder | dg__: myself, rob, and bdpayne | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | 23, got it | 17:11 |
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| bdpayne | just making sure that it has a keystone core on it | 17:11 |
| nkinder | dg__: 0020 needs to have some updates made to it, so it's waiting on the author | 17:11 |
| * bdpayne reviews 23 now | 17:11 | |
| nkinder | bdpayne: yes, gyee is core | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | where's 24? | 17:12 |
| * sicarie looks to see if he has trouble counting past 23 | 17:12 | |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: 24 is here - https://review.openstack.org/114460 | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | nkinder: yeah this one | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | looks super stalled | 17:13 |
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| nkinder | so notes that are stalled out on authors should just be taken over after a week IMHO | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, how to do that? unassign it and put it back in the queue? | 17:14 |
| dg__ | +1 | 17:14 |
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| bdpayne | 23 lgtm, but makes me sad | 17:14 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: or just change it over to yourself and upload a new patch revision | 17:14 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: well, it's the old API (but sad) | 17:14 |
| dg__ | bdpayne +1 : ( | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne: I cry e'rytim | 17:15 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: if you want to fix up the formatting for 24, that would be great | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | yeah I could probably do that | 17:15 |
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| dg__ | thanks tmcpeak | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: I'm not very familiar with the content on 24 though | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | can I fix the formatting and then throw it back ;) | 17:16 |
| nkinder | I grabbed an OSSN today and I'll get a draft up for review. I plan to cycle through the pending ones | 17:16 |
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| nkinder | tmcpeak: absolutely. Don't assign it to yourself, just fix up the easy stuff | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: cool | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | I'll pick your brain later on how to do the git stuff involved in that :) | 17:16 |
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| nkinder | Priti: Do you plan to get 0020 updated soon? | 17:17 |
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| nkinder | Priti: if you don't have time, someone can take it over | 17:17 |
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| Priti | Hi Guys, here is the status for 20, wrapping up OSSN-20, finishing writeup on how to detect active connections, thanks to Randy for Pointers | 17:17 |
| nkinder | Priti: ok, great | 17:17 |
| Priti | :) | 17:17 |
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| Priti | sorry Nathan for taking so long :( | 17:18 |
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| nkinder | no problem Priti | 17:18 |
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| nkinder | ok, well that's probably it on OSSNs. It would be nice to get the 6 pending ones published by next week's meeting | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | 26 shouldn't need too much work (famous last words) | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | 16 patches later | 17:19 |
| tkelsey | Lol :-) | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | other topics? | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | could give a Bandit update | 17:20 |
| bknudson | another topic -- a "security" tempest job | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: +1 | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | sure... perhaps the chair could change the topic? | 17:21 |
| rlpple | +1 | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | dg__ | 17:21 |
| dg__ | #topic Bandit | 17:21 |
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| tmcpeak | so I've been doing a pretty good amount of work on Bandit in the last week | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | latest as always is here: https://github.com/chair6/bandit | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | take a look if you get a chance | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | notable improvements: tests are each defined in their own separate file | 17:22 |
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| bknudson | we really need to get this in gerrit | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | tests are automatically discovered from the plugin directory | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | profiles can be defined to include or exclude certain tests | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | people don't need to know anything about AST to write tests | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | config is now in yaml | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | and there must be a few more I've forgotten | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: getting this in Gerrit is coming | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: I just want to clean up a bit more code first | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | then it should be ready for primetime | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | I ran it against all OpenStack projects yesterday and found… a crap-ton of issues | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | so we'll need to either get those fixed or marked with nosec, or define profiles which will focus on the essentials and not be too noisy | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | if you get a chance to play with it though, do so and let me know what you think :) | 17:24 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: or start with one project as a testbed | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: yeah, that's probably a nice low impact way of getting going | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | so yeah, dev still going on, but if anybody wants to play with it, please do :) | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | that's about it | 17:25 |
| bdpayne | tmcpeak how would you describe the issues it found: minor, false positives, serious, etc? | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | mostly minor | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | along the same lines as the ones we found in Seattle | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | but I haven't looked into them in depth | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | it takes a while to investigate each one to know for sure | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | one of the ones we found in Trove ended up being really really bad | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | sure, makes sense | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | interesting | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | it could be useful to take those experiences (the hand tracing) and try to codify that to the extent possible | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | that's this guy in case anyone is interested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1349939 | 17:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1349939 in trove "Multiple vulnerabilities in Couchbase implementation of restore strategy" [Critical,In progress] | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | I know that largely isn't possible | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | but something to think about | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | bdpayne: yeah, that would be great. Going through by hand is a ton of work | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | ok great, anything else for today? | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | any updates on threat modeling or the book? | 17:28 |
| bknudson | why no advisory? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: because it wasn't released yet | 17:28 |
| bknudson | oh, nice! | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: was a new feature for Juno | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | yeah, looks like our timing is perfect | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah for sure | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | although secretly I wanted an advisory | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | it's on my bucket list | 17:29 |
| bknudson | spend some time looking at keystone code | 17:29 |
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| dg__ | ok anything on threat modelling or the book? or other topics? | 17:30 |
| bdpayne | one quick thing on the book | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: what's up with the keystone code? | 17:31 |
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| bknudson | tmcpeak: it's ripe for security vulnerabilities... that's how I've gotten some ossa's. | 17:31 |
| dg__ | #topic The Book | 17:31 |
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| bdpayne | I'll just say that anyone that is interested in planning the long term vision for the book who hasn't aleady contacted me... please let me know! | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: +1 | 17:31 |
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| dg__ | thanks bdpayne anything else to add? | 17:32 |
| bdpayne | that's all | 17:32 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 17:32 |
| dg__ | great | 17:32 |
| dg__ | next... | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | somebody had security testing in tempest | 17:33 |
| dg__ | #topic Security Testing in Tempest | 17:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Security Testing in Tempest (Meeting topic: OSSG)" | 17:33 | |
| bknudson | There's a change in devstack to use https: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98854/ | 17:34 |
| bknudson | and I've made some changes and also proposed some that will hopefully use more secure hash algorithms, etc. | 17:34 |
| bknudson | but these aren't the default | 17:34 |
| bknudson | so maybe it would be good to have a tempest job that uses https, uses the more secure hash algorithms, etc. | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, sounds good | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | how would that work? | 17:35 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: good question... I believe we can work with infra to get the job implemented. | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: what's needed from our side? | 17:35 |
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| bknudson | I just wanted to float it by the ossg since they might know of other things that we'd want in a security job | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | I've always wondered why there aren't specific security tests in Tempest | 17:36 |
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| bknudson | y, this was more proposing a tempest run against our more secure configuration | 17:37 |
| bknudson | to make sure that we don't break it. | 17:37 |
| nkinder | bknudson: I really want that to be run through tempest too | 17:37 |
| nkinder | bknudson: while rob c. was developing that, glance broke their https support | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: oh, I see | 17:37 |
| bknudson | having tests specific to security would be good for tempest too... I think there was a fuzz testing effort at some point. | 17:38 |
| nkinder | bknudson: which rob noticed manually running tempest. That shows that the tests would have definite value | 17:38 |
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| bknudson | nkinder: yes, we don't want that to break! | 17:38 |
| nkinder | that https patch has been slow to get through reviews | 17:39 |
| nkinder | welcome to OpenStack I guess, but it'd be nice to see if finally make it in... | 17:39 |
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| bknudson | I've got that one on my list to review but haven't been able to make the time | 17:39 |
| bknudson | feature freeze makes for other priorities | 17:39 |
| nkinder | yep | 17:40 |
| nkinder | bknudson: if you get time once things slow down, I know Rob would appreciate it | 17:40 |
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| bknudson | I will definitely try it out | 17:40 |
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| bknudson | I guess that's it. I'll try to make time to work with infra on a security config job. | 17:43 |
| bknudson | and maybe nkinder will beat me to it to get an https job | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:43 |
| bknudson | if anyone has ideas for how they'd like to see a more secure config I'd be interested | 17:43 |
| bknudson | we've been looking at the code for FIPS and NIST violations | 17:44 |
| bknudson | so this is where we're checking to see if we can configure openstack to potentially comply with FIPS 140-2 or NIST 800-?? | 17:44 |
| bknudson | and of course we'd like for testing of a secure deployment upstream. | 17:45 |
| nkinder | bknudson: I think the https part is the first step, then improving the defaults for hashing and such to fall in line (which I know you've been going through) | 17:46 |
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| nkinder | are there any other topics? | 17:48 |
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| dg__ | nothing from me | 17:49 |
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| dg__ | anyone else? | 17:50 |
| nkinder | nothing here | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | should be it | 17:50 |
| dg__ | ok cool, thanks everybody | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | thanks guys! | 17:50 |
| dg__ | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 17:50:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ossg/2014/ossg.2014-09-04-17.05.html | 17:51 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ossg/2014/ossg.2014-09-04-17.05.txt | 17:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ossg/2014/ossg.2014-09-04-17.05.log.html | 17:51 |
| tkelsey | Thanks all | 17:51 |
| nkinder | thanks! | 17:51 |
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| sarnold007 | thanks. | 17:53 |
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| tmckay | \o/ | 18:00 |
| tmckay | that never gets old | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ping sahara folks | 18:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 18:02:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (croberts, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov, please | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | do we have working dashboard?:) | 18:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | most of it | 18:02 |
| elmiko | i found a bug earlier :( | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | I'll differ to Nikita on this :) | 18:03 |
| tosky | (hi) | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, elmiko did manage to break it this morning | 18:03 |
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| elmiko | /sadpanda | 18:03 |
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| crobertsrh | I can write that bug up and hopefully fix it soon. | 18:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | there are two bugs bugs with fixes on review | 18:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and both are in cluster template workflows | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, alazarev, what's about sec groups support/ | 18:04 |
| elmiko | crobertsrh: is one of those the same i ran across this morning? | 18:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we are waiting for horizon team reviews | 18:04 |
| crobertsrh | elmiko....I don't believe so | 18:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | SergeyLukjanov: afaik the blocker for the UI is the python client support for sec groups | 18:04 |
| elmiko | d'oh | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, ack | 18:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the path is ready and WIP | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:05 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | no updates from me - working on pushing all stuff that we need to include into the j3 and juno at all | 18:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'm also working on Sahara benchmarks in rally | 18:06 |
| alazarev | I’ve worked on security groups support and switching anti affinity to server groups | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | The cluster create benchmark is ready, the edp is in progress | 18:07 |
| elmiko | as of about 15 minutes ago, i've got a full working proto-type of the swift-auth stuff. i've got 6 reviews up and probably another 1 or 2 to push. Kazuki Oikawa did a great job updating the hadoop-swiftfs jar for keystone v3 and it is on review now. we just need to get a minor tweak into horizon and things will be in great shape to land for juno. | 18:07 |
| elmiko | oh, i need to finish up documentation. also we will need to talk about the future of gate testing the proxy domain stuff. | 18:08 |
| tmckay | not much news from me | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, great! | 18:08 |
| elmiko | i'm totally stoked =) | 18:08 |
| alazarev | also fixed horizon (cluster template cretion), review is needed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118885/ | 18:08 |
| tmckay | I want to think about how to use mesos as a scheduler in Sahara | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, mesos isn't really a scheduler, it's cluster manager | 18:09 |
| tmckay | oh, SergeyLukjanov, mattf sends regrets, said he may make the second half of the meeting | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ack | 18:09 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, well, for instance, you can deploy spark on mesos instead of yarn or standalone | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I've just not sure that it's a scheduler ;) | 18:11 |
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| tmckay | oh, and there is the discussion for Kilo on how to do swift credentials for Spark | 18:11 |
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| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, okay :) | 18:11 |
| tmckay | bad word, maybe | 18:11 |
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| alazarev | tmckay: do you suggest to develop specific app for mesos? | 18:12 |
| alazarev | tmckay: this is not openstack way | 18:12 |
| tmckay | alazarev, I am thinking about how to make mesos a building block that we could use in Sahara. | 18:13 |
| tmckay | kind of fuzzy idea right now | 18:13 |
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| tmckay | but, for instance, you should be able to deploy a spark cluster with mesos. But I don't think it should be written into just the spark plugin | 18:14 |
| tmckay | Because we could use it for other stuff, too | 18:14 |
| tmckay | but I haven't thought about it too much :) | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yeah, it's interesting idea if we'd like to deploy cluster with storm, hadoop, spark and something else | 18:15 |
| tmckay | of course, I'll write a spec if I have an idea ;-) | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ack | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Juno status and FFEs | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:15 |
| alazarev | but requiring mesos for specific hadoop distro is also not the best idea | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, juno-3 will be tagged early tomorrow | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | a-a feature will be included or gain FFE | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | till Sept 25 is the FFE changes and fixes time | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | Sept 25 is the rc1 day | 18:16 |
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| elmiko | swift-auth will definitely be ready for juno-rc, i've got a few more patches to submit and hopefully we can get the horizon stuff in too. | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | current list of bps for FFEs - https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, awesome | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but Sept 25 is the hard deadline | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | for features | 18:17 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: aside from documentation, the code patches should all be up by monday | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, just reminder ;) | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, any questions on release process? | 18:19 |
| elmiko | i appreciate it =) | 18:19 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: would you mind giving a brief overview of the release process? | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, sure | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, at rc1 day will tag first release candidate | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and we're all will start testing sahara | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and pushing critical bug fixes :) | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | master will be opened for Kilo at this day | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and till the release of Juno in mid Oct will use proposed/juno for juno fixes | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | that's all :) | 18:22 |
| elmiko | awesome, thank you | 18:22 |
| alazarev | when will branch for kilo be opened? | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | rc1 | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | == Sept 25 | 18:22 |
| tosky | just a question: you blocked one review which adds some tests in tempest format, but isn't the freeze usually more "loose" for tests? | 18:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's a temp freeze for j3 | 18:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'll remove -2's next week | 18:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | nothing mode from my side | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | more* | 18:25 |
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| tosky | now that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104136/ is in, would it be possible to discuss updating the tag used by dib (also on gates)? I couldn't test in the last weeks, but at least one month ago the build was stable | 18:25 |
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| elmiko | do we have design session topics for summit? | 18:25 |
| elmiko | tosky: ++ | 18:25 |
| elmiko | tosky: i was thinking about trying to update sahara-image-elements once the dib folks make a tag | 18:26 |
| elmiko | also, i tested image-elements 2 days ago and things are broken against for selinux against dib 0.1.17, but they work against master. on f20 at least. | 18:26 |
| elmiko | s/against// | 18:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'll send email with details re design summit | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tomorrow | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but we'll have sessions | 18:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and I'd like to discuss future of s-i-e | 18:29 |
| elmiko | tosky: looks like they have tagged dib to 0.1.29, i'll make a CR for image-elements to upgrade the default patch | 18:30 |
| elmiko | or maybe not, depending on what SergeyLukjanov has to say... | 18:30 |
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| alazarev | what is “s-i-e"? | 18:31 |
| elmiko | sahara-image-elements | 18:31 |
| alazarev | I see | 18:31 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, IMO it's great to bump dib version | 18:32 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: should i make a bug to reference in the CR? | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yes please | 18:33 |
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| elmiko | ack | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to discuss? | 18:35 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 18:36 |
| crobertsrh | Nothing here. Do let me know if anything urgently needs my attention....I'm still digging out a bit. | 18:36 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you folks! | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 18:38:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-09-04-18.02.html | 18:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-09-04-18.02.txt | 18:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-09-04-18.02.log.html | 18:38 |
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| mikehn_ | *aloha | 18:55 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 19:00:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic rollcall | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| malini | o/ | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | hi Poppy folks! | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | who do we have here for the poppy meeting today? | 19:00 |
| mikehn | <- | 19:00 |
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| tonytan4ever | Yo. | 19:01 |
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| catherine_r | o/ | 19:01 |
| oz_akan | hello | 19:01 |
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| obulpathi | o/ | 19:01 |
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| oz_akan | hi obulpathi | 19:02 |
| oz_akan | long time no see | 19:02 |
| obulpathi | you are so fast! | 19:02 |
| obulpathi | oz_akan: ^ | 19:02 |
| ametts_ | o/ | 19:02 |
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| oz_akan | obulpathi: should I get the blue pill? | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | anyone from fastly/maxcdn/akamai today? | 19:03 |
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| obulpathi | oz_akan: sorry, I already took the red pill. | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | mikehn: since you are new here, could you give another quick intro like you did on the #openstack-poppy channel | 19:04 |
| malini | oz_akan, obulpathi: I know this is the poppy meeting, but can you stop talking pills? | 19:05 |
| malini | hello mikehn! | 19:05 |
| oz_akan | ) | 19:05 |
| oz_akan | :) | 19:05 |
| tonytan4ever | Hello mikehn, it's a pleasure to see you here. | 19:06 |
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| nitin__ | Another new guy to #openstack-poppy channel. | 19:06 |
| malini | hello nitin__! | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | ah yes nitin__, welcome! | 19:07 |
| nitin__ | Hello, | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | can we get a quick intro from you too | 19:07 |
| nitin__ | thanks ! | 19:07 |
| nitin__ | Sure | 19:07 |
| obulpathi | hello there nitin__ | 19:07 |
| nitin__ | Nitin Agarwal , Software Developer and Programmer pursuing B.tech (Computer science) | 19:07 |
| nitin__ | I had spent my Summer 2014 at CERN, European Organisation for Nuclear Research. | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | welcome =) | 19:08 |
| obulpathi | nitin__, where do you study? | 19:08 |
| malini | glad to have you here nitin__! | 19:08 |
| nitin__ | Evaluated Orchestrating Docker on OpenStack. | 19:08 |
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| nitin__ | obulpathi: International Institute of Information Technology Hyderabad, INDIA. | 19:09 |
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| obulpathi | nitin__: cool, welcome to Poppy | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | cool. welcome to the team nitin__ | 19:09 |
| mikehn | amitgandhinz: sure | 19:09 |
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| nitin__ | at cern, http://openlab.web.cern.ch/about/people/nitin-agarwal | 19:10 |
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| mpanetta | Would love to visit CERN one day. | 19:10 |
| nitin__ | thanks amitgandhinz obulpathi | 19:10 |
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| oz_akan | welcome nitin__ | 19:11 |
| mikehn | <- Michiel, product management at Hibernia Networks, responsible for ip,ethernet & cdn | 19:11 |
| nitin__ | oz_akan: thanks ! | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks mikehn | 19:11 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, lets move on, a few topics to get through today | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic: Review last weeks action items | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Review last weeks action items (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:12 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-08-28-19.00.html | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, first one is me. I still have not reviewed the MaxCDN CDN Manager API. | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | I will roll it over to next time again. | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz to investigate MaxCDN CDN Manager API for master/sub accounts | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | ok next item was to dig more into the account management system that was being discussed with fastly | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | no progress has been made here either. I will probably wait for megan_w to return to discuss that item | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | #action megan_w, guimarin, edward-fastly, and amitgandhinz to look into what "building out an account management system" is about | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok last item, obulpathi to keep bugging the atlanta openstack meetup organizers | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | any update there? | 19:14 |
| obulpathi | no one has got back to me so far | 19:15 |
| obulpathi | I emailed them again | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | #action obulpathi to keep bugging the atlanta openstack meetup organizers to get on the schedule | 19:15 |
| obulpathi | I will discuss about the poppy talk in this months meetup | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | sounds good | 19:15 |
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| obulpathi | and get it scheduled | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Updates on Blueprints and Bugs | 19:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates on Blueprints and Bugs (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:15 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/create-service | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: any updates on this? | 19:16 |
| tonytan4ever | Working on it, my evaluation is about 30% done/ | 19:17 |
| tonytan4ever | Should be able to get the PR out for review around next Monday. | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | lets try to get it out incrementally - maybe the transport/manager/storage parts | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | followed by each provider integration | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | it might make the patchsets smaller that way and faster feedback and turnaround | 19:18 |
| tonytan4ever | Sounds good. | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | ok next one... | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/flavors | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | this one is mine | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | desperately needs reviews | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | I am reviewing this pr | 19:19 |
| tonytan4ever | I am reviewing and feedbacking, no worries. | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | its a little bit, so taking time | 19:19 |
| malini | me too | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115130/ | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh sorry, its a biggie | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | lots of layers | 19:19 |
| tonytan4ever | And this one has some overlap with my next link poppy-models as well. | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | nice segway | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/poppy-models | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | the status still shows started | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | this is making good progress right? | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes | 19:21 |
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| tonytan4ever | Actual status is in-review. | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | I should be able to roll out the latest PR with review comments addressed by today. | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok cool | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | lets try to make this one land | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok i will discuss the next bp regarding the sqla driver later (have an agenda item for it) | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/health | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: updates? | 19:23 |
| obulpathi | Its mostly done. I am stuck at routing urls dynamically in pecan | 19:23 |
| obulpathi | ocne I fix it, will do a final pr | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | ok cool | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | i'll keep it at Good Progress then | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | yes, thanks | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | ok lets go to the next topic | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Limit Counts | 19:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Limit Counts (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:24 | |
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| amitgandhinz | What limit counts should exist on adding origins/backends for a service/zone/distribution. | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | so i think we determined that fastly had no limits for backends that was apparent from their docs | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | max cdn had just one origin per zone??? | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | aaron-Ma1CDN: ^^ | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | link# http://docs.aws.amazon.com/general/latest/gr/aws_service_limits.html#limits_cloudfront | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | you can find the CloudFront limits in the above link | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | cloudfront has a limit of 25 per distribution | 19:27 |
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| amitgandhinz | mikehn: im not familiar with hybernia cdn | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | does it limit the number of origins in a service definition? | 19:27 |
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| mikehn | let me look how you define 'service' | 19:28 |
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| amitgandhinz | similar to cloudfronts distributions | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | maxcdn;s pullzones | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | fastly's service | 19:28 |
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| obulpathi | a service is what a customer creates when he wants to serve his site through a cdn provider | 19:29 |
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| mikehn | we have a staged structure which is account / username / site | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | then its the site | 19:30 |
| mikehn | and for 'site' (which is service?) there is no limit of # of site's configured under a tuple of {account, username} | 19:30 |
| obulpathi | for a single site, do you allow multiple origins? | 19:30 |
| mikehn | at this moment not | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | ok. thanks | 19:31 |
| malini | mikehn: do you have any API docs et. which we can look at? | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | mikehn: do you have a link to the rest api docs for hyberniacdn? | 19:31 |
| mikehn | yes | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: jinx haha | 19:31 |
| mikehn | https://portal.hiberniacdn.com/api/ | 19:31 |
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| mikehn | got a number of references back to our global order entry portal, so skip that :) | 19:32 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok so i think the conclusion is that the number of supported origins differ widely between providers | 19:33 |
| mikehn | yep | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | either we limit support to 1 origin per site/service/distribution/pullzone | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | or we let the operator define the min/max | 19:33 |
| mikehn | if you want to abstract it, i vote for the latter | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | or we let the operator define it per flavor | 19:33 |
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| malini | it would be a shame for poppy to limit to 1 | 19:33 |
| mikehn | +1 to that | 19:34 |
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| oz_akan | +1 | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | i agree, and it depends on what providers an operator chooses to offer | 19:34 |
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| obulpathi | leaving it to the operator to define it sounds good | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | if we define it per flavor, then the operator has to do homework on the mins supported | 19:34 |
| mikehn | min = always 1? | 19:34 |
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| mikehn | without origin, it's kinda hard to serve content | 19:35 |
| oz_akan | :) | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | yes | 19:35 |
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| amitgandhinz | sorry i think i meant max lol | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | =P | 19:35 |
| tonytan4ever | I think we can define a min=1, and let operator define max | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, so we make it as part of the flavor definitions the operator creates | 19:36 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link: http://docs.cloudcdn.apiary.io/#flavors | 19:36 |
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| malini | amitgandhinz: you mean max value will be specified as part of create flavor API call? | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | any more questions on this? | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | yes | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | and it would exist per flavor (not per provider) | 19:37 |
| malini | But we dont have patch on flavors yet | 19:37 |
| malini | So updating tht value will be a pain | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | send the whole blob | 19:38 |
| malini | why cant it be just a configurable value? | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | because its flavor based, and operators (eg oz_akan) wants an api to manage it | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | similar to nova flavor management | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | conf values per flavor are stored in the datastore | 19:38 |
| malini | ok | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | we can discuss implementation more outside this meeting | 19:39 |
| malini | sure | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | but i think we agree on the approach | 19:39 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed max limits to be defined with the flavors by the operator | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on now... | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Acceptable TTL values and Granularity | 19:40 |
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| amitgandhinz | the min ttl setting on assets vary greatly between providers | 19:40 |
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| amitgandhinz | i saw some starting at a min TTL of 5 minutes, others at 1 hour etc | 19:41 |
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| amitgandhinz | and then the increments also differ in what is supported | 19:41 |
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| amitgandhinz | how should we handle this variety? | 19:41 |
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| mikehn | again, let the operator define it | 19:42 |
| tonytan4ever | Again, per flavor ? | 19:43 |
| malini | +1 | 19:43 |
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| mikehn | yeah | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | so operator defines min and max ttl | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | what about increments | 19:43 |
| mikehn | let operator define it | 19:43 |
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| amitgandhinz | let the operator define the factor of again | 19:44 |
| malini | hmmm…with increments it really sounds like we'll need to specify excatly what those values could be | 19:44 |
| malini | since it can't be really a factor | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | if we say the range is {1, 6000) and increment is 5 .... | 19:44 |
| malini | 1 hr vs 1 month vs 6 months | 19:44 |
| mikehn | malini: and there you have the first difficulty when you want to aggregate and abstract the 100's of cdn-api's out there | 19:44 |
| malini | mikehn: :) | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | then we could do 1, 5, 10 .... ? | 19:44 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: tht still wont be good enough | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | we always represent ttl and increments in minutes | 19:45 |
| obulpathi | or should we just round the user supplied value to the nearest supported by the flavor? | 19:45 |
| mikehn | so either define it fixed (1,5,10) and deal with the consequences, or make sure you have a variable input & output | 19:45 |
| malini | since providers could allow 1 & 10, but not 5 | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | so if you want one month = 30 days = n minutes | 19:45 |
| mikehn | amitgandhinz: or make it like 1d, 1w, 5h, 5s | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: if providers support 1 and 10, then increment would be 10 | 19:46 |
| mikehn | then you dont have that discussion | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | mikehn: hmmm.... | 19:46 |
| mikehn | and we would convert the metric from a human readable format into a machine one | 19:46 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: providers dont always need to allow increments. | 19:46 |
| mikehn | malini: indeed, so keep the option open for "not defining it" | 19:47 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok i like that. makes it really flexible | 19:47 |
| mikehn | default null, otherwise <defined> | 19:48 |
| amitgandhinz | or if we do want increments, then increment becomes the smallest unit possible, eg 1m | 19:48 |
| amitgandhinz | s/do/dont | 19:48 |
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| mikehn | amitgandhinz: provider's api is definitely checking those values as well, so keep in mind where you want to do conformity checks | 19:48 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh, when we send the configs on to the providers, its always possible for them to reject it for whatever reason. | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | that comes back in the status response | 19:49 |
| mikehn | amitgandhinz: good, so my suggestion is to not vote for your "or if we do want increments, then increment becomes the smallest unit possible, eg 1m" | 19:49 |
| mikehn | and move that portion to the interaction with the provider | 19:50 |
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| malini | we should let the operators define allowed values for ttl, if none specified allow all | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, so i think we are all leaning towards operator defining the min/max ttl for a flavor, and the increments (null, 1m, 1h, 1d, 1w, etc) | 19:51 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:51 |
| amitgandhinz | where 1 is really n | 19:51 |
| mikehn | yes | 19:51 |
| mikehn | good, next topic ;p | 19:51 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed operator defining the min/max ttl for a flavor, and the increments (null, 1m, 1h, 1d, 1w, etc) | 19:51 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic deprecate mockdb driver in favor of sqla driver | 19:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "deprecate mockdb driver in favor of sqla driver (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:52 | |
| amitgandhinz | ok this one should be quick | 19:52 |
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| amitgandhinz | the mockdb driver feels pointless and a pain to maintain and serves no purpose | 19:52 |
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| amitgandhinz | mocking is done using unittest mock | 19:52 |
| mikehn | </done> | 19:52 |
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| amitgandhinz | so lets to sqlalchemy which adds value to those not needing cassandra | 19:53 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: +1 | 19:53 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:53 |
| tonytan4ever | Make sense for me. | 19:53 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed: eprecate mockdb driver in favor of sqla driver | 19:53 |
| amitgandhinz | easy | 19:53 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:53 | |
| amitgandhinz | ok we have 7 minutes in here | 19:53 |
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| amitgandhinz | any other topics ppl want to discuss before we move back to the #openstack-poppy channel? | 19:54 |
| malini | do the new folks need any help getting started etc.? | 19:54 |
| obulpathi | devkulkarni: are you here? | 19:54 |
| mikehn | malini: let's do that in #poppy | 19:54 |
| nitin__ | malini: yes | 19:54 |
| nitin__ | are #openstack-poppy and #poppy different channels . | 19:55 |
| malini | We are always on #openstack-poppy. Feel free to ping any of us there | 19:55 |
| nitin__ | Sure | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | ok any other topics to discuss here? | 19:55 |
| obulpathi | nitin__: welcome to poppy once again. | 19:55 |
| nitin__ | obulpathi: thanks again. | 19:55 |
| mikehn | ok thx for the meeting | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks for attending mikehn | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | and nitin__ | 19:56 |
| obulpathi | thanks for participating mikehn | 19:56 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok lets carry on chatting in the poppy channel | 19:56 |
| mikehn | no biggie | 19:56 |
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| amitgandhinz | thanks everyone | 19:56 |
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| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 19:56:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-09-04-19.00.html | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-09-04-19.00.txt | 19:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-09-04-19.00.log.html | 19:56 |
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| markwash__ | ahoy! | 20:06 |
| markwash__ | o/ | 20:06 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 20:06 |
| arnaud | o/ | 20:06 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 20:06 |
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| TravT | o/ | 20:06 |
| jcook | o/ | 20:06 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 20:06 |
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| markwash__ | shall we? | 20:07 |
| markwash__ | #startmeeting | 20:07 |
| openstack | markwash__: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 20:07 |
| markwash__ | #startmeeting glance | 20:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 20:07:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:07 |
| * markwash__ is out of practice | 20:07 | |
| markwash__ | agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:08 |
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| markwash__ | however I think first we need a j3 update | 20:08 |
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| markwash__ | so we're in the process of trying to ram through the last patches needed to tag j3 | 20:08 |
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| markwash__ | AFAICT, those patches are https://review.openstack.org/#/c/44355/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111483/ | 20:08 |
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| markwash__ | does that look right to folks? | 20:09 |
| TravT | yes, watching the patches in zuul has been like watching a baby bunny trying to cross a busy street filled with drunk drivers | 20:09 |
| nikhil_k | yes | 20:09 |
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| markwash__ | good thing there's lots more bunnies where that came from | 20:09 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/118627 | 20:09 |
| lakshmiS | strength in numbers :) | 20:09 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/105231 | 20:10 |
| nikhil_k | client is fine... | 20:10 |
| TravT | those also need to get through | 20:10 |
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| * nikhil_k realizes.. may be we need 'em for horizon | 20:10 | |
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| markwash__ | TravT: is it possible to wait until tomorrow to really put the accelerator on those glanceclient patches? | 20:10 |
| markwash__ | or would such a delay hurt horizon progress? | 20:11 |
| * markwash__ thinks of the gate | 20:11 | |
| TravT | well, I haven't talked with david lyle about it | 20:11 |
| TravT | keep hoping to see them through | 20:11 |
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| markwash__ | well, the bunnies each have a run ahead of them at this point | 20:12 |
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| markwash__ | so good luck to them | 20:12 |
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| arnaud | :) | 20:12 |
| lakshmiS | we also have tempest test patch(https://reView.openstack.org/113632/) which is dependent on glance-client(https://review.openstack.org/105231). Can tempests patch merge after today? | 20:12 |
| markwash__ | and the important detail about those other waiting patches (for the server project) | 20:12 |
| markwash__ | is | 20:12 |
| markwash__ | If they don't land by ttx's morning tomorrow, they are going to be auto-deferred to juno rc-1 | 20:13 |
| markwash__ | just b/c the gate is crazy | 20:13 |
| markwash__ | they will be auto-granted FFEs as well | 20:13 |
| markwash__ | so I'm not really sure what the distinction is exactly | 20:13 |
| TravT | it would be really nice to get the SEED bumped up https://review.openstack.org/111483. It actually passed all the gate tests and then got hit by a package download failure for cinder | 20:13 |
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| TravT | and now seems to just be cycling in check | 20:13 |
| markwash__ | lakshmiS: I'm not actually sure about the tempest test changes, how those factor in | 20:14 |
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| markwash__ | I would assume that adding tests is not blocked by the FF, since they're not really features | 20:14 |
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| markwash__ | the j-3 to j-rc1 period is intended for testing | 20:14 |
| markwash__ | lakshmiS: but I think you'll have to ask tempest folks about that | 20:14 |
| lakshmiS | markwash__: ok | 20:15 |
| markwash__ | any other questions about the j-3 tagging/release process? | 20:15 |
| TravT | if the client patches fail, it will be a really hard sell for horizon. | 20:15 |
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| markwash__ | TravT -- fail as in "don't work" ? or fail as in "don't land" ? | 20:16 |
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| TravT | don't land | 20:16 |
| markwash__ | TravT, do any of those patches need more review still? or are they just waiting on the gate? | 20:17 |
| TravT | david has bumped 2 of our 4 horizon patches to high priority and agreed to ask for FFE if they client gets released | 20:17 |
| TravT | no, don't need review. | 20:17 |
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| TravT | just need some sort of rain dance or something to keep zuul from whacking them | 20:17 |
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| markwash__ | TravT: released == in master? or released == up on pypi? | 20:18 |
| TravT | hmm... I think released == up on pypi so that we can update the horizon requirements file | 20:18 |
| markwash__ | okay | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | markwash__: on pypi and move minimum openstack/requirements version to that releas | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | e | 20:19 |
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| markwash__ | I'm a bit worried about the openstack/requirements change | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | unless the feature is discoverable via the API, I'd have to re-look at the patch | 20:19 |
| markwash__ | I feel like those are freezed relatively early | 20:19 |
| markwash__ | freezed -> frozen I suppose | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | I'll ping ttx in the morning, but neutron is in the same boat | 20:20 |
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| markwash__ | TravT: it looks like you may end up needing to request a Dep Freeze Exception | 20:20 |
| markwash__ | and that's after bribing Flavio to release the client | 20:21 |
| TravT | thanks david-lyle | 20:21 |
| markwash__ | and that's after the gate calms down to actually land it | 20:21 |
| markwash__ | okay, any other j-3 questions? | 20:21 |
| markwash__ | I'd like to get out of the way of the regularly-schedule agenda if possible :-) | 20:21 |
| nikhil_k | Frodo's quest seems tiny now | 20:22 |
| markwash__ | :-) | 20:22 |
| markwash__ | #topic kilo specs | 20:22 |
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| markwash__ | let's merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115807/ after tomorrow | 20:23 |
| markwash__ | (again, #godsavethegate) | 20:23 |
| markwash__ | any other thoughts about kilo specs? | 20:23 |
| arnaud | agreed | 20:23 |
| TravT | i do have a question. | 20:23 |
| TravT | we bumped out tags from current spec. | 20:23 |
| TravT | we're going to submit a new spec for kilo | 20:24 |
| ativelkov | Should the specs which has not be approved yet be moved to kilo folder? | 20:24 |
| markwash__ | ativelkov: yes please | 20:24 |
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| TravT | should I update the juno metadefs spec to reflect reality | 20:24 |
| markwash__ | if a spec is good apart from being in the wrong folder, anyone should feel free to move it | 20:24 |
| arnaud | TravT, I would love to see the juno spec reflect what has been merged in juno (if possible) | 20:25 |
| markwash__ | TravT: it seems nice | 20:25 |
| TravT | Ok. I'll do that. | 20:25 |
| markwash__ | would just a quick disclaimer "this feature did not land in Juno" work? | 20:25 |
| TravT | do the specs have to go through the gate? | 20:25 |
| TravT | or do they take a shortcut | 20:25 |
| markwash__ | or I suppose if things can just be removed from the spec that is fine too | 20:26 |
| ativelkov | I din't get any reviews on artifacts spec for quite a long time. It does not block any work being done, but I want to clear its fate a bit :) | 20:26 |
| markwash__ | TravT: I'm not sure | 20:26 |
| TravT | ok, | 20:26 |
| arnaud | I don't think you have to wait a long time for a spec TravT | 20:26 |
| TravT | well i'll update and the #godsavethegate you guys decide when to merge | 20:26 |
| markwash__ | TravT: I asked in openstack-dev, if I hear back we can maybe merge them sooner | 20:27 |
| markwash__ | okay, next up (I'm going in PTL order) | 20:27 |
| markwash__ | #topic Metadefs bug handling | 20:27 |
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| TravT | Do you want a lot of little bugs with one or two lines, or a bug per reviewer comments made pre-merge? | 20:28 |
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| markwash__ | I don't understand the second alternative quite clearly | 20:28 |
| TravT | sorry.. | 20:28 |
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| TravT | as people went through the files, they made comments. We could create one big bug for DB and just start putting all fixes into it | 20:29 |
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| TravT | or we could just addressing individual fixes | 20:29 |
| TravT | say one file at a time | 20:29 |
| markwash__ | I think it would be better to structure the fixes into groups of related changes I guess? | 20:29 |
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| markwash__ | its nice to have a small patch to review | 20:29 |
| TravT | just whatever the reviewers want to see | 20:29 |
| jokke_ | So individual bugs or one dumping ground? | 20:30 |
| markwash__ | not one dumping ground | 20:30 |
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| jokke_ | +1 | 20:30 |
| markwash__ | individual as long as its not too granular, group together as you see fit | 20:30 |
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| markwash__ | remember that reviewers like a moderate number of small patches best | 20:30 |
| jokke_ | sounds good to me | 20:30 |
| TravT | ok, we'll try to keep it reasonable | 20:30 |
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| markwash__ | huzzah | 20:31 |
| markwash__ | next up. . . | 20:31 |
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| markwash__ | #topic Bug Day | 20:31 |
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| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 20:31 |
| markwash__ | who's topic is this? :-) | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | not mine this time | 20:32 |
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| jokke_ | but I do like clean bug list | 20:32 |
| markwash__ | so it seems someone is proposing we have another bug day | 20:32 |
| cpallares | Mine | 20:33 |
| jokke_ | this time one day only so something would get done as well | 20:33 |
| arnaud | maybe wrong etherpad... we don't have bugs in glance :) | 20:33 |
| markwash__ | cpallares: hi there! | 20:33 |
| cpallares | hi there markwash__ | 20:33 |
| markwash__ | bug days are great things for the rc1 timeframe | 20:33 |
| jokke_ | arnaud: +1, just undocumented features | 20:33 |
| markwash__ | so is there sometime next week or the week after that works for some of us? and who can sign up? | 20:34 |
| arnaud | exactly jokke_ ;) | 20:34 |
| cpallares | It doesn't have to be just one day. | 20:34 |
| markwash__ | and who can sign up to remind me? | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | cpallares: based on our last two day one, yes it does ;) | 20:34 |
| cpallares | haha alright | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | I'm up for it next week ... the following I'm out from Wed | 20:34 |
| markwash__ | yeah I think next is best | 20:35 |
| jokke_ | markwash__: I can take the poking stick | 20:35 |
| markwash__ | since we're supposed to have RC1 by around the 25th of sept | 20:35 |
| markwash__ | jokke_: thanks! | 20:35 |
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| jokke_ | So Thursday? | 20:36 |
| markwash__ | how does the 11th seem to folks here? | 20:36 |
| TravT | i missed the last one. is the point to get fixes in a bug day or for everybody to grab them and triage them? | 20:36 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 20:36 |
| jokke_ | TravT: both | 20:36 |
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| cpallares | TravT: You can also close them :P | 20:36 |
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| markwash__ | triage is especially great because there may be some release blockers hiding there | 20:36 |
| cpallares | TravT: We have bugs from 2012 | 20:36 |
| arnaud | I will be there | 20:36 |
| markwash__ | and we probably have a huge list of ones to just close | 20:36 |
| jokke_ | cpallares: at least I do not have powers to mark them for example "Won't fix" | 20:37 |
| markwash__ | okay I really like thursday, bc I can just start my day with the team meeting and stay on bugs the whole day | 20:37 |
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| cpallares | markwash__: That sounds good :) | 20:37 |
| jokke_ | markwash__: there is 10+ that are "propose-close" tagged :P | 20:37 |
| jokke_ | No-one just seems to touch them :P | 20:37 |
| markwash__ | okay, so let's get together a etherpad for this particular bug day | 20:38 |
| TravT | ok. 11th works for me... but our guys in poland have been wanting to participate as well. | 20:38 |
| markwash__ | with links to the tag scheme we wanna use | 20:38 |
| markwash__ | cpallares: can you kick off that etherpad and then email us? arnaud/jokke can probably help with some details if there are any that are missing | 20:38 |
| arnaud | yes, sounds good | 20:39 |
| cpallares | markwash__: Sounds good | 20:39 |
| lakshmiS | +1 | 20:39 |
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| markwash__ | cpallares: and by email us, I just mean throw it out on the ML tagged [Glance] | 20:39 |
| markwash__ | cpallares: thanks! | 20:39 |
| markwash__ | yay bug day | 20:39 |
| cpallares | ok | 20:39 |
| markwash__ | #topic Documentation | 20:40 |
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| markwash__ | TravT: it looks like you had a question about doc updates? | 20:40 |
| TravT | yeah, is there anything special we need to know about getting docs updated? | 20:40 |
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| TravT | we want to make sure that metadefs are properly documented | 20:40 |
| markwash__ | I have to throw that question to the group, the docs are an area where I've been struggling | 20:40 |
| markwash__ | rosmaita sometimes knows a lot about our docs :-) | 20:41 |
| cpallares | markwash__: Do we write our own docs? | 20:41 |
| markwash__ | cpallares: some of them I think | 20:41 |
| markwash__ | and contribute to some elsewhere I belive | 20:41 |
| markwash__ | but I'm way out of touch | 20:41 |
| markwash__ | so you could tell me the docs are on mars and I'd have to take your word for it | 20:41 |
| rosmaita | we can write as many docs as we like | 20:41 |
| jokke_ | Sounds like this needs a shootout to ML as well | 20:42 |
| arnaud | that's where specs should help (I guess) | 20:42 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: where we should dump those? | 20:42 |
| rosmaita | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance-where-are-the-docs | 20:42 |
| rosmaita | gives you a run-down of what goes where | 20:42 |
| rosmaita | though i just noticed it is a bit out of date | 20:43 |
| jokke_ | Oh cool!! | 20:43 |
| TravT | ooohhhh | 20:43 |
| TravT | a real wiki! | 20:43 |
| TravT | thanks rosmaita! | 20:43 |
| jokke_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance-where-are-the-docs | 20:43 |
| rosmaita | i will try to update it tomorrow | 20:43 |
| markwash__ | we need some SEO for that wiki page | 20:43 |
| TravT | rosmaita: can you shoot us a message when the update is done? | 20:43 |
| markwash__ | so google brings it up for me when I search anything | 20:44 |
| rosmaita | maybe i can put some porn on it or something | 20:44 |
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| markwash__ | well okay | 20:44 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 20:44 |
| markwash__ | #topic Glance common service framework | 20:44 |
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| rosmaita | i will fix page & send out to ML when it's updated | 20:44 |
| markwash__ | I deferred this one to last, b/c I think we resolved to wait until some of the oslo-incubator changes sort themselves out | 20:44 |
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| TravT | rosmaita: ty! | 20:45 |
| markwash__ | but I'd like to point out that mclaren has some thoughts about SIGHUPS and reloading configs at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sighup-conf-reload | 20:45 |
| jokke_ | markwash__: I think the outcome from last nights discussion was to revisit the plans how we do it for Kilo | 20:45 |
| markwash__ | jokke_: +1 | 20:46 |
| jokke_ | markwash__: mclaren has also view and he would like to approach with something similar what nginx does | 20:46 |
| markwash__ | yeah I was just reading that | 20:46 |
| markwash__ | I'm glad to have a little survey of what is done because I think we might be in a slightly more complicated position than some other openstack services | 20:46 |
| markwash__ | given our mix of long- and short-lived connections | 20:46 |
| jokke_ | which I think does not solve the fundamental issues we have, but those needs to be attacked when we get spec out there | 20:47 |
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| markwash__ | I was pretty happy with the spec for adopting the ProcessLauncher until it surfaced that it causes these problems with reloading | 20:47 |
| markwash__ | so I think we'll just need a new, more comprehensive kilo spec | 20:47 |
| markwash__ | which specifically addresses the reconfiguration aspects | 20:47 |
| markwash__ | guided by some of the considerations mclaren has put forward | 20:48 |
| markwash__ | jokke_: does that sound like a reasonable summary / restatement ? | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | markwash__: sounds good to me ... the spec comments are good place to put the discussion of the concerns | 20:48 |
| markwash__ | okay cool | 20:49 |
| jokke_ | and that way we get them documented | 20:49 |
| markwash__ | yeah | 20:49 |
| markwash__ | let's open up the floor | 20:49 |
| jokke_ | If we have time I would like to add couple of fast topics out of the list (forgot to add them there) | 20:49 |
| markwash__ | #topic open discussion | 20:49 |
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| jcook | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1316234 | 20:50 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1316234 in glance "Image delete calls slow due to synchronous wait on backend store delete" [Undecided,In progress] | 20:50 |
| jcook | There was some discussion about how this should be done. I have a proposal for a path forward and was hoping to get some input on it. | 20:50 |
| jcook | Basically, deletes can take a long time and in a public cloud, at least, there has been some discussion around an asynchronous method aside from the scrubber model. | 20:51 |
| jokke_ | The FFE reguest from flaper ... I commented already on the api change, but would like to bring it on the table here. The API change is doing exactly opposite what the bp is stating and claims to implement it. /me dislikes | 20:51 |
| jokke_ | sorry jcook | 20:51 |
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| jcook | np | 20:51 |
| jokke_ | lets go with yours first ... that was missed enter | 20:52 |
| markwash__ | jcook: fixing the scrubber would be kind of amazing | 20:52 |
| jcook | the scrubber seemed to be desirable for the private cloud use case but not the public cloud | 20:52 |
| jcook | there was some mention of doing a more distributed scrubbing, but also, discussion about doing a background delete | 20:52 |
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| markwash__ | jcook: oh? I think it was added by public cloud folks originally as a way to keep data around a little longer in case a delete was accidental | 20:53 |
| nikhil_k | agree | 20:53 |
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| jcook | I'm proposing adding background deletes as a third configurable option | 20:53 |
| jokke_ | Is'n scrubber responsible also for the delayed delete? | 20:53 |
| rosmaita | markwash__: problem with scrubber is too many deletes at once overwhelming the backend storage | 20:53 |
| jcook | yes, but it does all at once | 20:53 |
| jokke_ | markwash__: that's what I was thinking as well | 20:53 |
| markwash__ | ah I see | 20:53 |
| markwash__ | well, we could fix it to not do deletes all at once :-) | 20:53 |
| jokke_ | jcook, rosmaita: so how about fixing the scrubber to have FE configurable throttle? | 20:54 |
| jcook | we could, but a background delete seems more intuitive and simpler | 20:54 |
| markwash__ | jcook: but I think such a proposal sounds very welcome | 20:54 |
| markwash__ | so go for it | 20:54 |
| arnaud | rosmaita, not sure if the approach proposed by jcook would solve this problem | 20:54 |
| markwash__ | jcook: is there already a spec or mail about this or is it forthcoming? | 20:54 |
| jokke_ | jcook: what this background delete would be doing? Delete just kicking up task and the image hopefully dissappears at some point? | 20:55 |
| jcook | one question in regards to a background delete. Is there opposition to a new state of delete_in_progress in the event of failure of background delete | 20:55 |
| markwash__ | yeah | 20:55 |
| markwash__ | no new states! :-) | 20:55 |
| arnaud | +1 | 20:55 |
| jcook | It would behave similarly to pending_delete except that it would start delete on image immediately in thread or subprocess | 20:55 |
| jcook | it could be marked as deleted, but I think it would be more correct to go into delete_in_progress and then delete when background process of delete finishes | 20:56 |
| rosmaita | there was some talk of making pending_delete recoverable, did that ever get implemented? | 20:56 |
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| markwash__ | jcook: users don't care about this state machine (though ops do), let's keep it out of the main api | 20:56 |
| rosmaita | i think zhi was working on it at some point | 20:56 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I think that still needs manual labor | 20:57 |
| markwash__ | we can just create another resource to track such things | 20:57 |
| nikhil_k | +1 | 20:57 |
| markwash__ | but anyway, I guess it would be best to do this all in spec review :-) | 20:57 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 20:57 |
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| markwash__ | we have only a few minutes left | 20:57 |
| jcook | markwash__: not sure I grok | 20:57 |
| jcook | kk | 20:57 |
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| jokke_ | jcook: if the idea is good, make a spec so we can mock it together publicly :P | 20:58 |
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| jcook | ACK | 20:58 |
| TravT | +1 jokke_ | 20:58 |
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| TravT | :P | 20:59 |
| markwash__ | all right, that's the bell | 21:00 |
| markwash__ | thanks everybody! | 21:00 |
| arnaud | thanks! | 21:00 |
| markwash__ | good luck with all your bunnies | 21:00 |
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| markwash__ | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 21:00:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-09-04-20.07.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-09-04-20.07.txt | 21:00 |
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