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| sgordon_ | ok | 14:02 |
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| sgordon_ | #startmeeting nfv | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 10 14:02:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nfv' | 14:02 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
| sgordon_ | #topic roll call | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:03 | |
| sgordon_ | who is here for the nfv meeting... | 14:03 |
| imendel | hey | 14:03 |
| pczesno | hi | 14:03 |
| sgordon_ | sorry i am a few mins late | 14:03 |
| beagles | `o | 14:03 |
| sgordon_ | no explicit action items were recorded last week so skipping straight into... | 14:04 |
| adrian-hoban | Hello | 14:04 |
| sgordon_ | #topic juno status | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "juno status (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:04 | |
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| sgordon_ | so there were two items with FFEs we discussed, NUMA and SR-IOV | 14:04 |
| sgordon_ | both could still theoretically land but the gate queue is enormous at this point | 14:04 |
| sgordon_ | ~18 hours | 14:04 |
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| sgordon_ | and the cut off is friday | 14:04 |
| ndipanov | sgordon_, so as for numa - likelu not to land | 14:05 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack%2Fnova+topic:bp%2Fvirt-driver-numa-placement,n,z | 14:05 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack%2Fnova+topic:bp%2Fpci-passthrough-sriov,n,z | 14:05 |
| sgordon_ | i would say looking at the patch list the sriov work is in the same position | 14:05 |
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| ndipanov | I've discussed it with other Nova folks - and they are of the opinion that if it's 1-2 patches they'll cut us some slack | 14:06 |
| sgordon_ | a lot of patchsets merged but not enough to give the full feature | 14:06 |
| sgordon_ | beagles, do you concur with my assessment i know you were following sriov | 14:06 |
| ndipanov | but if it;s a lot more than that - we have to cut rc1 | 14:06 |
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| sgordon_ | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 14:06 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: What can be done to help better the outlook on these two? | 14:06 |
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| sgordon_ | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 14:06 |
| sgordon_ | adrian-hoban, unfortunately at this point not much | 14:06 |
| ndipanov | adrian-hoban, pray at this point really | 14:06 |
| sgordon_ | adrian-hoban, it's mostly twiddling thumbs, wait for it to get into the gate, verify whether failures are real or due to other race conditions etc | 14:07 |
| sgordon_ | adrian-hoban, at this point from doing that last step to the patch getting back to the top of the queue is around 18 hours | 14:07 |
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| beagles | sgordon_: there is a strong possibility you are correct. | 14:08 |
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| beagles | the patches themselves are in good shape, but there are a lot of variables that could interfere with them getting in by deadline | 14:08 |
| sgordon_ | i think owners, like ndipanov on the numa work, are pretty on top of getting the patches back in the queue asap but the time it's taking means we're quickly getting to the point where it's too late | 14:08 |
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| sgordon_ | adrian-hoban, taking the longer term view have to continue to be involvement about how to better plan future releases | 14:09 |
| sgordon_ | adrian-hoban, e.g. the slots proposal, determining how features pushed out get (re)approved for the next release etc | 14:09 |
| sgordon_ | all fun stuff | 14:09 |
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| sgordon_ | soo given that we're mostly at the thumb twiddling stage for things that could land i wanted to dedicate some time to discussing the issues imendel framed in an email recently | 14:10 |
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| adrian-hoban | sgordon: Yes indeed. Fun stuff and lots of hard work being put in by all involved | 14:10 |
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| sgordon_ | #topic subteam future direction | 14:10 |
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| sgordon_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044614.html | 14:11 |
| imendel | tnx... | 14:11 |
| sgordon_ | imendel's email is here ^ | 14:11 |
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| imendel | happy to hear the team view | 14:11 |
| sgordon_ | some questions that were raised (and i am paraphrasing): | 14:11 |
| sgordon_ | Why (it) is special ? | 14:11 |
| sgordon_ | Why we need it now? | 14:11 |
| sgordon_ | Who will use it and why it can’t be achieve otherwise? | 14:11 |
| sgordon_ | where it of course is NFV | 14:11 |
| sgordon_ | and the questioner is arguably the wider openstack community | 14:11 |
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| sgordon_ | i think one of the things ijw has raised in the path is that in many cases it is not necessarily special, versus some other use cases like HPC | 14:12 |
| sgordon_ | *past | 14:12 |
| adrian-hoban | I think we also need to add "If/why/how the change needed by NFV also benefits the wider community?" | 14:12 |
| sgordon_ | #info Why (it) is special ? | 14:12 |
| sgordon_ | #info Why we need it now? | 14:13 |
| sgordon_ | #info Who will use it and why it can’t be achieve otherwise? | 14:13 |
| imendel | right so for the wider community it's beneficial | 14:13 |
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| sgordon_ | #info If/why/how the change needed by NFV also benefits the wider community? | 14:13 |
| sgordon_ | right | 14:13 |
| imendel | I think that in most cases it's just true. | 14:13 |
| sgordon_ | so i think the wider benefit, and also "cloudiness" is more demonstrable on some nfv requirements than others | 14:13 |
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| imendel | agree and we need to descibe it as such | 14:14 |
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| sgordon_ | we definitely need as a group to be sure that we are challenging ourselves to establish what level of control vs abstraction is required | 14:14 |
| imendel | last week it was mentioned that the focus on the wiki might be wrong. What do you have in mind? | 14:14 |
| sgordon_ | rather than necessarily carrying over 1:1 "knobs" for want of a better word from existing systems | 14:15 |
| sgordon_ | i think the focus on the wiki is good for folks already versed in NFV | 14:15 |
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| imendel | agree on the abstraction. The numa is a good example | 14:15 |
| sgordon_ | i think the problem is that in terms of illustrating for wider community we did not ultimately come up with as many concrete examples that resonate | 14:15 |
| imendel | what we need for the non NFV developers? | 14:15 |
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| sgordon_ | ideally, user stories | 14:16 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon_: imendel: Yes, looking at NUMA, there is a real need in NFV, but also a real benefit for other workloads | 14:16 |
| sgordon_ | maybe personas to contribute the openstack personas efforts? | 14:16 |
| sgordon_ | i am just spitting out ideas here :) | 14:16 |
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| sgordon_ | adrian-hoban, right - in particular for large VMs they are spanning numa nodes *today* but as there is no direction given by nova performance is not being optimized at all for it | 14:17 |
| imendel | user stories are right personas too. But I woudln't framed those as NFv specific as then we are back to square one | 14:17 |
| sgordon_ | sure | 14:17 |
| sgordon_ | but there is a need to extend/add to existing user stories and personas | 14:17 |
| sgordon_ | otherwise nfv would already be being addressed no? | 14:17 |
| sgordon_ | there are really two challenges/ends to this | 14:18 |
| imendel | Let's take the NUMA. The idea at the end is better use or optimisation of the existing resources | 14:18 |
| imendel | in NFV it's (also) interesting | 14:18 |
| sgordon_ | on the one hand there is the overall user case | 14:18 |
| sgordon_ | on the other there are specific implementation proposals | 14:18 |
| sgordon_ | right | 14:18 |
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| sgordon_ | but you will note the NFV spec etc was never positioned as being for NFV | 14:19 |
| sgordon_ | it's the ones that say "hey this is for NFV" in the spec without necessarily elaborating that i think are running into more issues | 14:19 |
| imendel | but I saw claims that "I don't care about NFV", meaning I don't believe it's a real general need | 14:19 |
| imendel | agree | 14:19 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon_: Good point, and the NUMA work has made it further than most of the others | 14:19 |
| sgordon_ | sorry meant *NUMA spec above | 14:20 |
| sgordon_ | so definitely within the scope of specific implementation proposals | 14:20 |
| imendel | maybe we shall try to have (at least) one more use case per ask that is not NFV to make the point | 14:20 |
| sgordon_ | it is definitely necessary to illustrate why it is useful in the general case too | 14:20 |
| sgordon_ | in particular an aspect of this is explaining how it improves the default state for people who arent going to want/need to twiddle the knobs (if there are any) | 14:21 |
| adrian-hoban | imendel: Perhaps that would be a good addition to our wiki. i.e. Add a column for non-NFV use case for each of the BPs | 14:21 |
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| imendel | yes | 14:21 |
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| sgordon_ | #info Need to demonstrate usefulness of implementation proposals for general case, not just NFV (and NFV use case itself needs to be properly explained) | 14:22 |
| beagles | I guess where we don't do selective column access of a row, there's no gain in to breaking data out of the blob and into column .. you are going to load it all anyways | 14:22 |
| beagles | gah sorry | 14:22 |
| sgordon_ | beagles, good stuff | 14:22 |
| sgordon_ | ;) | 14:22 |
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| adrian-hoban | :-) | 14:22 |
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| imendel | from your experience. What is the right vehicle to address the developers and the core teams? | 14:22 |
| sgordon_ | #info Illustrate also how default state improves, what's the impact on people who wont twiddle any "knobs" exposed | 14:23 |
| sgordon_ | primarily the mailing list and their respective weekly meetings imo | 14:23 |
| imendel | and there is a place there to represent the case, or it's all about implementation? | 14:23 |
| sgordon_ | design summit is challenging because sessions primarily relate to specific implementation proposals (although there is an effort to make them a little more like the midcycle meetings) | 14:24 |
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| sgordon_ | imendel, i guess this comes back to what we were talking about earlier - it's easier to be a proponent of a specific implementation proposals or set of implementation proposals | 14:24 |
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| sgordon_ | than high level use cases or personas | 14:25 |
| imendel | so maybe we need to focus (maybe even assign responsibility) to each team? | 14:25 |
| sgordon_ | even though we arguably need both | 14:25 |
| imendel | also agree we need both | 14:25 |
| beagles | sgordon_ +1 - that was a big issue in SR-IOV. We tried to relate more "cloudy" labels to implementation but it was ... not productive. | 14:25 |
| sgordon_ | we have discussed before getting someone to at least report into each team's meeting | 14:25 |
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| imendel | and what was agreed? | 14:26 |
| sgordon_ | but the question has been report what, again outside of specific impl discussions | 14:26 |
| sgordon_ | we're well covered on the nova side | 14:26 |
| sgordon_ | not so much on the neutron side | 14:26 |
| imendel | Heat/. | 14:26 |
| imendel | ? | 14:26 |
| sgordon_ | none | 14:26 |
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| imendel | So maybe this is good Action item for us... | 14:27 |
| sgordon_ | most of the focus within this group has been on nova/neutron so far, though there are heat and glance impacts as well | 14:27 |
| imendel | yes | 14:27 |
| imendel | as an example. The use of Sriov vie Heat. Is this loop closed? assuming sriov is in... | 14:27 |
| sgordon_ | no, because sriov itself hasnt landed | 14:28 |
| imendel | besides other heat specific examples | 14:28 |
| sgordon_ | the heat project wont take the proposal to support it seriously until it exists | 14:28 |
| imendel | understood. | 14:28 |
| sgordon_ | which is unfortunate but also fairly understandable | 14:28 |
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| sgordon_ | given what will/wont land in other projects is so unpredictable | 14:28 |
| imendel | so for Kilo it's the right timing, no? | 14:28 |
| sgordon_ | this however is a broader problem there is some discussion on | 14:29 |
| sgordon_ | there is an idea circulating on the list of having an openstack-specs process for cross-project efforts | 14:29 |
| sgordon_ | not sure if this is the right solution but difficulty in implementing cross project work at the same time is definitely an issue | 14:29 |
| imendel | right. But maybe for specific and important needs we can try and close some loops, as a team. | 14:29 |
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| sgordon_ | so for this specific example | 14:30 |
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| imendel | right. So maybe just focus on specific needs in Heat (or glance) that are relevant... | 14:30 |
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| imendel | On Neutron I thought we are "covered" with Chris | 14:30 |
| sgordon_ | chris is but one man :) | 14:31 |
| sgordon_ | nova and neutron are very large projects at this point | 14:31 |
| imendel | anyway. Can we conclude some acrtions? | 14:31 |
| sgordon_ | #action sgordon identify heat and glance participants? | 14:31 |
| sgordon_ | imendel, would you be able to take writing a use case for sr-iov via heat? | 14:32 |
| imendel | right.... :) | 14:32 |
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| sgordon_ | basically what a user might expect to see/interact with at that level | 14:32 |
| imendel | sure | 14:32 |
| sgordon_ | #action imendel to write a use case for sr-iov via heat | 14:32 |
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| sgordon_ | #action sgordon to update on final sriov/numa status for juno next week | 14:33 |
| sgordon_ | #info Need to continue to follow discussion about how/when proposals for kilo might be handled | 14:33 |
| imendel | do we want to take the action to better explain the use cases and the needs in the wiki, the summit, the mailing list and the mid term?? | 14:33 |
| imendel | per project? | 14:34 |
| sgordon_ | yes this is perhaps the most challenging one :) | 14:34 |
| sgordon_ | where do we want to start with this | 14:34 |
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| imendel | and to think when to aggregate and when to separate? at least as part of the thinking process.. | 14:34 |
| imendel | Maybe Paris... | 14:35 |
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| imendel | We can try and "declare" something | 14:35 |
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| imendel | in the spirit of what we just discuss... | 14:35 |
| sgordon_ | hmm | 14:36 |
| imendel | what is the concern? | 14:36 |
| sgordon_ | well in terms of recording an action this is still very generic | 14:37 |
| imendel | agree...:) | 14:37 |
| sgordon_ | is the action to define touch points with other projects, clean up the use cases in some way or declare to declare something in paris :) | 14:37 |
| imendel | I thought the first two are the way to declare... | 14:38 |
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| sgordon_ | ok | 14:38 |
| sgordon_ | #action sgordon_ to clear up project touch points on wiki page | 14:38 |
| sgordon_ | so that leaves the use cases and how we want to better handle them... | 14:39 |
| imendel | unless you think we can have an NFV meeting with developers (cross projects) that can be attractive... | 14:39 |
| imendel | to them | 14:39 |
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| sgordon_ | not immediately | 14:39 |
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| sgordon_ | perhaps over time :) | 14:39 |
| imendel | ok...:) | 14:40 |
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| sgordon_ | but then perhaps over time the need for a separate are to strategize/discuss will go away | 14:40 |
| sgordon_ | that is in some ways actually my hope | 14:40 |
| imendel | my too | 14:40 |
| sgordon_ | that it will become more mainstream | 14:40 |
| adrian-hoban | imendel: That would be a nice thing to have, particularly as a type of breakout or pod session... | 14:40 |
| sgordon_ | right | 14:40 |
| sgordon_ | apparently pod space is going to be pretty limited due to the venue but i think we should try do this again if at all possible | 14:41 |
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| imendel | adrian: how it works... sorry for my ignorance.. | 14:41 |
| sgordon_ | #action sgordon_ aim to have a BoF session at a pod in paris if at all possible | 14:41 |
| imendel | tnx..:) | 14:41 |
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| adrian-hoban | imendel: Design sessions are very focused, so I'm suggesting we need time to get the NFV focused community and the project communities together in a forum less focused on a single problem. Where we can talk about general topics and direction... THe BoF are good for this | 14:43 |
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| imendel | ok | 14:43 |
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| imendel | are we done? | 14:46 |
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| adrian-hoban | imendel: I think it's an open discussion next | 14:47 |
| imendel | tnx | 14:48 |
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| adrian-hoban | I don't see anything else on the agenda | 14:48 |
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| adrian-hoban | Any opens? | 14:49 |
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| adrian-hoban | #topic opens | 14:50 |
| bauzas_ | adrian-hoban: you need to be chair for opening a new topic | 14:50 |
| bauzas_ | sgordon_: ^ | 14:50 |
| adrian-hoban | :-) | 14:50 |
| sgordon_ | sorry | 14:51 |
| sgordon_ | #topic open discussion | 14:51 |
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| adrian-hoban | Doh | 14:51 |
| bauzas_ | sorry folks, was lurking | 14:51 |
| sgordon_ | fwiw i am happy to make anyone else chair as well | 14:51 |
| sgordon_ | :) | 14:51 |
| ndipanov | so - one thing that I got from the Juno effort is | 14:51 |
| sgordon_ | does anyone else have anything for this week? | 14:51 |
| sgordon_ | :D | 14:51 |
| bauzas_ | sgordon_: do you plan to see which time is good for the meeting ? | 14:52 |
| bauzas_ | sgordon_: IIRC, the alternative meetings was a temporary solution | 14:52 |
| ndipanov | that adding some of these features at least to Nova has uncovered some problems in the codebase that we need to work on | 14:52 |
| ndipanov | and the whole Nova team seems to be very serious about fixing those | 14:52 |
| ndipanov | for K | 14:53 |
| ndipanov | at least for now | 14:53 |
| sgordon_ | bauzas_, i am willing to give it a few more weeks | 14:53 |
| bauzas_ | sgordon_: sure thing | 14:53 |
| sgordon_ | bauzas_, i dont really have a clear read on which is better attended | 14:53 |
| bauzas_ | k | 14:53 |
| sgordon_ | it feels like i get similar response but from slightly different people involved | 14:53 |
| bauzas_ | ndipanov: +1, that will depend on if/when slots are implemented | 14:53 |
| ndipanov | so in the spirit of communicating ideas clearly - I am thinking that the NFV interested parties should hear about those efforts | 14:53 |
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| sgordon_ | #info nova is likely to require increased focus on technical debt in kilo, which will impact feature delivery | 14:53 |
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| ndipanov | sgordon_, but will also make it easier in the future | 14:54 |
| ndipanov | hopefully | 14:54 |
| bauzas_ | :) | 14:54 |
| ndipanov | bauzas_, I would not rely on a single idea like slots to solve any issues | 14:54 |
| adrian-hoban | Is this an approach that is likely for other projects too? | 14:54 |
| ndipanov | this is a massive effort | 14:55 |
| ndipanov | and slots will not just magically solve it | 14:55 |
| sgordon_ | adrian-hoban, unclear | 14:55 |
| ndipanov | we need actual hands on it | 14:55 |
| bauzas_ | ndipanov: yeah, I was just saying that slots could impact dramatically the feature delivery | 14:55 |
| ndipanov | bauzas_, imho that is not a good way to put it | 14:55 |
| sgordon_ | as we touched on last week nova has some specific areas where if you are touching them your feature is basically in trouble | 14:55 |
| sgordon_ | particularly scheduler | 14:55 |
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| ndipanov | what impacts feature delivery is debt we have in Nova | 14:55 |
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| bauzas_ | ndipanov: well, you know my opinion too, I think it's a velocity problem, not a prioritization problem | 14:56 |
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| sgordon_ | debatable | 14:57 |
| ndipanov | what I am saying is that we should se NFV as being the main driver for the changes | 14:57 |
| sgordon_ | i think you could easily say the velocity problem results from the prioritization one | 14:57 |
| bauzas_ | sgordon_: indeed | 14:57 |
| ndipanov | not something that will be cast aside while we go and polish our nice nova | 14:57 |
| ndipanov | s/se/see | 14:57 |
| bauzas_ | sgordon_: well, see the ratio patch/reviewers | 14:58 |
| ndipanov | bauzas_, but this is not the place for this discussion really imho | 14:58 |
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| sgordon_ | +1 | 14:58 |
| ndipanov | sgordon_, | 14:58 |
| sgordon_ | time to close it out | 14:58 |
| sgordon_ | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 10 14:58:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-09-10-14.02.html | 14:58 |
| bauzas_ | sgordon_: that *is* a velocity problem, prioritization can help but will struggle if we don't increase reviewing bandwidth | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-09-10-14.02.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-09-10-14.02.log.html | 14:58 |
| bauzas_ | ndipanov: °1 | 14:58 |
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| bauzas_ | dammit, sgordon_ was too fast :) | 14:58 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:01 |
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| Swami | hi dvr folks | 15:01 |
| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 10 15:02:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: distributed_virtual_router)" | 15:02 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:02 |
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| Swami | mrsmith: ping | 15:02 |
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| Swami | viveknarashimhan: ping | 15:03 |
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| Swami | I think people are busy working on the bugs | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #info Juno 3 released with DVR | 15:03 |
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| Swami | So people who are testing can make use of the milestone release for testing. | 15:04 |
| Swami | We need more people to test it out. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | #topic DVR update | 15:05 |
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| Swami | Neutron Juno milestone3 released with DVR | 15:06 |
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| Swami | Most of the DVR features went into the Juno 3 milestone. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | At present the DVR team is focussed on bugs for the RC1 release. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | The targeted blueprints and bugs for Juno RC1 milestone was published. | 15:08 |
| Swami | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 15:08 |
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| Swami | #topic Bugs | 15:09 |
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| Swami | All DVR related bugs are logged in the launchpad under the tag l3-dvr-backlog. | 15:09 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-dvr-backlog | 15:09 |
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| Swami | This link hosts the bugs as well as the backlog items that will be worked on. | 15:10 |
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| Swami | mrsmith: hi | 15:11 |
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| Swami | couple of new bugs have been filed recently | 15:11 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365473 | 15:11 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1365473 in neutron "Unable to create a router that's both HA and distributed" [High,New] | 15:11 |
| Swami | This is currently marked as high, but I don't think it is targeted for the Juno, this may be a follow on. | 15:11 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367039 | 15:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367039 in neutron "dvr fips are not handled properly on l3-agent restart" [Medium,New] | 15:12 |
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| Swami | dvr fips not handled properly during l3-agent restart. | 15:13 |
| Swami | mrsmith: is this related the fg port and namespace not cleaned up. | 15:13 |
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| mrsmith | not exactly what we are working on | 15:14 |
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| mrsmith | more related to agent restart | 15:14 |
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| mrsmith | but improvements/fixes could be applied to both in theory | 15:14 |
| Swami | ok, I don't think then it will be targeted for Juno | 15:14 |
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| Swami | mrsmith: Do you think that we need to add another bug for the fip namespace clean up issue that we are chasing. | 15:15 |
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| mrsmith | probably - I think we have at least regressed | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | as I've said - the fip namespaces were being removed earlier this week | 15:17 |
| Swami | mrsmith: then we can wait till we triage this out. | 15:17 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367588 | 15:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367588 in neutron "When a VM with FloatingIP is directly deleted without disassociating a FIP, the fip agent gateway port is not deleted." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:18 |
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| Swami | All other highs in the list are already worked out and some already commited. | 15:19 |
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| Swami | That's all I had for bugs. | 15:20 |
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| Swami | #topic Services | 15:20 |
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| Swami | With Services, the FWaaS team have completed thier patch to support the DVR for north-south | 15:21 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113359/ | 15:21 |
| Swami | This patch is ready to be merged | 15:21 |
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| Swami | As I mentioned in my previous meeting, the fix for LBaaS to work with DVR already had merged. | 15:22 |
| Swami | The only services that we need to work on is the VPN. | 15:22 |
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| Swami | Given the time, it would be a Kilo release | 15:23 |
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| Swami | That's all for the services. | 15:24 |
| Swami | #topic Kilo candidates | 15:24 |
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| Swami | Last week I mentioned that we can go over some of the backlog items that would be viable candidate for the Kilo release. | 15:25 |
| Swami | 1. VPNaaS with DVR | 15:26 |
| Swami | 2. Distributed DHCP | 15:26 |
| Swami | 3. Fix the current HA solution to work with the DVR for service node | 15:26 |
| Swami | 4. Support VLAN for DVR | 15:26 |
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| Swami | 5. L3 Agent refactor | 15:27 |
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| Swami | 6. OVS arp responder replacement for the current DVR arp population | 15:28 |
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| Swami | 7. Multiple external network support for DVR | 15:28 |
| Swami | 8. IPv6 support on DVR | 15:28 |
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| Swami | Hopefully if you all have any other topics you can include it. | 15:29 |
| mrsmith | good list Swami | 15:29 |
| mrsmith | alot of work there | 15:29 |
| Swami | mrsmith: Do you have any other topics | 15:29 |
| chuckC | Swami: is this list documented somewhere? | 15:29 |
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| Swami | chuckC: I will be capturing it in the DVR backlog. We have some captured in DVR backlog but the remaining items need to be included. | 15:30 |
| Swami | #topic Open Discussions | 15:31 |
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| Swami | Any topics that you want to discuss, mrsmith or chuckC | 15:31 |
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| chuckC | wondering about the future of this meeting | 15:32 |
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| Swami | chuckC: what is your concern about the future of this meeting | 15:33 |
| Swami | I don't get it. | 15:33 |
| chuckC | sorry, it has been suggested that this meeting be discontinued and just address issues in L3 meeting | 15:33 |
| Swami | I am not sure were you got this information from. | 15:34 |
| Swami | Yes we as a team DVR also reports to the L3 sub team meeting. | 15:34 |
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| mrsmith | I've heard complaints that dvr is discussed too much in the l3-mtg | 15:34 |
| Swami | anything that we discuss, will be communicated to the L3 meeting as well. | 15:34 |
| mrsmith | since there is a dvr mtg already | 15:34 |
| chuckC | It was suggested by someone in the L3 meeting, but I don't recall who | 15:34 |
| Swami | This meeting we would like to retain for the DVR specific topics. | 15:35 |
| mrsmith | personally, looking at the list above - there is alot to discuss moving forward | 15:35 |
| mrsmith | we don't want to suck up too much of the l3-mtg time | 15:35 |
| mrsmith | just my vote | 15:35 |
| chuckC | ok, well I wasn't suggesting that we do that, I had heard the thought and wondered if things were going that way | 15:35 |
| chuckC | I guess not!:) | 15:35 |
| mrsmith | good to ask | 15:35 |
| mrsmith | chuckC - maybe we are biased ! | 15:36 |
| Swami | chuckC you are right all smaller subteams should report to the L3 subteam meeting | 15:36 |
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| chuckC | it's ok, if there's enough work to track in this meeting, I think it's better to continue | 15:37 |
| Swami | Ok guys, if no more topics we can end this meeting. | 15:37 |
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| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 10 15:38:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-09-10-15.02.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-09-10-15.02.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-09-10-15.02.log.html | 15:38 |
| chuckC | bye | 15:38 |
| Swami | bye | 15:38 |
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| banix | hi ml2 crowd | 16:00 |
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| shivharis | hi | 16:00 |
| rkukura | Hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
| rcurran | hi | 16:00 |
| romilg | Hi All | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello | 16:01 |
| amotoki | hi all | 16:01 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 10 16:02:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_September_10.2C_2014 | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | light agenda today, so likely a short meeting | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | The set of FFEs for RC-1 has been selected, and is at https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 16:04 |
| rkukura | So the focus between now and RC-1 is these BPs, plus bugs that get targetted to RC-1 | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | I don’t see any unimplemented FFEs with significant ML2 impact. | 16:05 |
| rkukura | Any questions or other announcements? | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I was looking for RC1 date - is it set yet? | 16:05 |
| shivharis | Not to be an alarmist, but RC1 is 8 days away, Sept 18 | 16:05 |
| banix | yeah, those related already merged | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: thx | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | #topic Action Items | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | I had an action for previous weeks to enter bugs for DVR-related issues in ML2 that I’ve discussed with armax_. | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | I entered https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367391, which is targetted at RC-1 | 16:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367391 in neutron "ML2 DVR port binding implementation unnecessarily duplicates schema and logic" [High,Confirmed] | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | I plan to take a shot at this right away, and see if a low risk solution is reasonable to get in. | 16:08 |
| rkukura | Any questions on this bug? | 16:09 |
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| rkukura | The other action was for me to submit an FFE for the hierarchical port binding BP, which I did, but it was denied and will be deferred to Kilo. | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | If anyone has any feedback on the current HPB patches or design, it would be great to incorporate that into an update spec that I’ll submit for Kilo. | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | Anything else on these or any other action items I might have missed? | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:11 |
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| shivharis | hi | 16:12 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Do you want to cover this? | 16:12 |
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| shivharis | We have 8 days to get to j-rc1 | 16:12 |
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| shivharis | so the time is tight and we need to pull together as a team to help push these forward | 16:12 |
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| shivharis | foremost https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1193861, banix? | 16:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1193861 in neutron "ML2 plugin needs to override bulk operations" [Medium,In progress] | 16:13 |
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| banix | yes i have updated the patch | 16:13 |
| banix | it now covers networks, subnets and ports | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: have you done some testing? | 16:14 |
| banix | a few comments on gerrit that i will address; need more review | 16:14 |
| shivharis | what do you need fron the team? | 16:14 |
| shivharis | folks please spend some cycles on reviews on this... | 16:14 |
| banix | in particular, regarding comments on use of commit/rollback and save_and_raise | 16:14 |
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| banix | if amotoki could comment on gerrit it would be great as i see him as the one who wrote the related update for plugins | 16:15 |
| shivharis | amotoki: ? | 16:15 |
| banix | i mean amotoki updated plugins to use save_and_raise a while ago, not for this particular patch | 16:16 |
| amotoki | banix: sorry I missed the context. I was chatting in neutron channel. | 16:16 |
| banix | when you get a chance please have a look at #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113999/16/neutron/plugins/ml2/plugin.py | 16:16 |
| banix | amotoki: ^^^ | 16:16 |
| banix | amotoki: comments on line 496 to 499 | 16:17 |
| banix | also for others; I singled out amotoki because of what I mentioned above | 16:17 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: can you be on top of this for review as well, i'll do the same | 16:17 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: what testing you are referring to? | 16:18 |
| amotoki | banix: thanks. The heart of introducing save_and_reraise everywhere is just for simplicity. It is a bit complicated case. will look | 16:18 |
| banix | amotoki: thanks. | 16:18 |
| matrohon | just a question : is there a plan to support bulk operation other than create? | 16:18 |
| banix | matrohon: there are no other bulk ops | 16:18 |
| banix | matrohon: only defined for create i believe | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: I did and I will | 16:19 |
| matrohon | banix : thanks | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | banix: Any functional testing | 16:19 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: not beyond my simple setup; any suggestions as how to go about this in a more systematic way? | 16:19 |
| banix | Sukhdev: in other words, what would be the functional tests you want to see done | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | banix: Good question - We need to issue a bulk command and fail at least one in the middle - | 16:20 |
| banix | Sukhdev: that I have done | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: good | 16:21 |
| shivharis | anything else on this, banix? | 16:22 |
| rkukura | Aren’t in-tree functional tests typically for system interactions, which would not apply here? | 16:22 |
| banix | are there functional tests along the lines of those marun has been working on that needs to be looked at? | 16:22 |
| banix | rkukura: that was my understanding but i am not up to date on that front | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct - they are end-to-end tests; in this case API tests will be sufficient - | 16:23 |
| rkukura | banix: I may not be up-to-date either | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | banix, rkukura: we have one bulk api test | 16:23 |
| marun | rkukura: i think that would be an integration test - but should be in tree | 16:23 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Can functional tests run the client against a running configured neutron-server? | 16:23 |
| rkukura | marun: ^^^ | 16:24 |
| marun | rkukura: running configured? no | 16:24 |
| marun | rkukura: that's tempest | 16:24 |
| marun | rkukura: in-tree is self-contained - only targets services managed by the tests | 16:24 |
| rkukura | marun: That’s what I thought. Are bulk create methods all tested adequately in tempest? | 16:25 |
| marun | rkukura: likely no | 16:25 |
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| marun | rkukura: though with retargetable we could run in-tree with tempest | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | I was referrering to tempest tests - there is one bulk API test | 16:26 |
| rkukura | Seems like a followon task to assess/improve tempest testing of bulk creates, possibly by retargetting API tests from in-tree. | 16:26 |
| shivharis | action to talk to tempest folks regarding this | 16:27 |
| banix | makes sense | 16:27 |
| rkukura | volunteer? | 16:27 |
| banix | will do | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | banix: you can look into the bulk test - see if that is sufficient or needs enhancements | 16:27 |
| -amotoki- we have three kinds of tests: unit, functional and API (in-tree or tempst). | 16:27 | |
| rkukura | #action banix to talk with tempest folks about bulk create testing | 16:27 |
| banix | rkukura: Sukhdev yes | 16:27 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev, banix: anything else on this? | 16:28 |
| rkukura | Does anyone feel the existing UTs plus what banix adds in the patch is not sufficient in-tree testing for the patch to merge? | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: I think we discussed enough - thanks | 16:28 |
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| shivharis | ok, moving on.. | 16:29 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Any other bugs to discuss? Do we have a list of ML2 bugs targetted for RC-1? | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: based upon what banix said, I think we are good | 16:29 |
| banix | i do not have anything else, please review on gerrit | 16:29 |
| rkukura | banix: Have started | 16:29 |
| banix | rkukura: thanks | 16:29 |
| shivharis | there a quite a few bugs targetted for RC1, i am hoping folk assigned will ask for help... | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | So, lets get this patch merged this week then | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | shivharis, others: Anything else on bugs today? | 16:30 |
| banix | shivharis: are there any ml2 specific, we need to help out with? | 16:30 |
| shivharis | Team: are there any bugs that you need help in .. bugs itself or reviews? | 16:30 |
| irenab | please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116612/ | 16:30 |
| shivharis | banix: that is what i am asking | 16:30 |
| shivharis | I'll wait 60 seconds for folks to send their links | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | irenab: Still has my +2 | 16:31 |
| irenab | yes, missing one more core | 16:31 |
| rcurran | this one still needs cores - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105514/ | 16:31 |
| romilg | Need one more +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89982/ | 16:31 |
| rkukura | amotoki or mestery: Can you look at irenab’s patch? This is simple cleanup. | 16:32 |
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| amotoki | rkukura: sure | 16:32 |
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| shivharis | I'll think I will wait another 60 seconds for more links to show up | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | Here is another minor one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119940/ | 16:32 |
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| rkukura | rcurran: Will do | 16:33 |
| irenab | amotoki: thanks | 16:33 |
| shivharis | Ok, folks I will consolidate these and put it up on the ML2 page | 16:33 |
| shivharis | That's all from me.... | 16:33 |
| romilg | thanks :) | 16:34 |
| shivharis | lets move on.. | 16:34 |
| banix | shivharis: thanks | 16:34 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Thanks | 16:34 |
| rkukura | #topic Code Reviews | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | Is there anything else being tracked for Juno on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews? | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I did not update it this week :-( | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | Considering we are past FF deadline | 16:35 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Do you want to move things to the Kilo section? | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I can do it - | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: you can assign me an action item for this | 16:35 |
| rkukura | Would be nice to keep the links to the patches since many of these will be updated and continued once kilo opens and specs are approved. | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | #action Sukhdev to update Subgroup review wiki | 16:36 |
| rkukura | Anything else on code reviews? | 16:37 |
| rkukura | Focus is on reviewing bugs targetted at RC-1 at this point | 16:37 |
| absubram__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105514/ | 16:37 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:37 |
| absubram__ | can I please get some cores for this? | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | absubram__: rcurran already asked for it - | 16:38 |
| rkukura | absubram__: Yes, I will review that one | 16:38 |
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| matrohon | I wanted to dicuss about ML2 core resources creation/deletion by other plugin | 16:39 |
| rkukura | matrohon: OK | 16:39 |
| absubram__ | Sukhdev, rkukra: thanks! | 16:39 |
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| rkukura | By service plugins, right? | 16:39 |
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| matrohon | yes, currently this can't happen during a transactiong because of post commit | 16:39 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Correct | 16:39 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: For example, the GBP service plugin is structured similarly to ML2, and does these calls from precommit operations. | 16:40 |
| rkukura | Make that postcommit, sorry. | 16:40 |
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| matrohon | that's unfair because service plugins have to roll back manually | 16:40 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Do you have an alternative that would work with any core plugin? | 16:41 |
| banix | matrohon: :) | 16:41 |
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| matrohon | any core plugin I don't know, but in ML2, post-commit could occur with sql event | 16:41 |
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| amotoki | I believe this is a good link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367157 to understand the issue. | 16:42 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367157 in neutron "HA network remains even if there is no more HA router" [Undecided,New] | 16:42 |
| matrohon | this is more an excpectation, didn't coded it yet | 16:43 |
| matrohon | those links have the same issue : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116924/ | 16:43 |
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| matrohon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117287/ | 16:43 |
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| matrohon | sql event are already used to notify nova when a port goes active, in db_base_plugin_v2 | 16:44 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Long term, if we moved all ML2 postcommit processing to TaskFlow tasks, would that solve the problem? | 16:44 |
| matrohon | that's another option that I have to investigate :) safchain told me about that too | 16:45 |
| rkukura | matrohon: At least for ML2, using TaskFlow might make all the postcommit processing async, and enable plugin API calls within transactions. | 16:45 |
| rkukura | But I don’t know if we could require the same of other core plugins. | 16:45 |
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| rkukura | Or of service plugins, since sometimes service plugins call other service plugins. | 16:45 |
| rkukura | matrohon: What is your first option? | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I am not sure if TaskFlow will solve this | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | What do you mean by SQL event? | 16:46 |
| matrohon | I don't have a first option, I don't know taskflow enough yet | 16:46 |
| amotoki | the question is how to handle create just after delete (postcommit is on going). I am not sure introducing taskflow solves it. | 16:47 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Are you suggesting the ML2 postcommit processing could be triggerred by SQL events rather than called as part of the API method? | 16:47 |
| matrohon | rkukura : yes that the option I was invetigating | 16:47 |
| matrohon | as it is done here : https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py#L77 | 16:47 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : do you think it's insane? | 16:48 |
| amotoki | but it causes long transaction... | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: that is a fundamental issue with Neutron API - we need some sort of state to represent the progression of the operation | 16:48 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: It seems the fundemental idea is to make the postcommit processing async to the API call, and this could be done with SQL events, TaskFlow, or other approaches. | 16:49 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: totally agree. | 16:49 |
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| rkukura | amotoki, Sukhdev: Not sure how much of that state needs to be exposed in the API. It would be possible to use async internally. | 16:49 |
| amotoki | for example. subsequent API calls update an existing state transition? | 16:50 |
| rkukura | But I don’t think we want to simply let service plugins create DB records and expect everything else to be triggered by that, do we? | 16:50 |
| chuckC | Is this issue not broader than ml2? Need broader discussion? | 16:50 |
| shivharis | we'll need a scheduler for that | 16:50 |
| rkukura | This sounds like a good topic for the Kilo design summit, whether specific to ML2 or more general. | 16:51 |
| matrohon | chuckC : +1 | 16:51 |
| chuckC | rkukura: +1 | 16:51 |
| matrohon | rkukura : +1 | 16:51 |
| shivharis | rkukura: +1 | 16:51 |
| amotoki | rkukura: +1 | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I had brought this issue during Montreal tempest sprint - and I think it requires wider discussion | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | It also ties into the backend sync / error recovery topic we’ve discussed. | 16:51 |
| -amotoki- Async operation increases complexity. | 16:52 | |
| banix | yes indeed. sync! | 16:52 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : in previous ml2 meetings? | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: Yes | 16:52 |
| banix | I meant it is related to the sync issue as well | 16:52 |
| matrohon | banix : +1 | 16:52 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Sukhdev and I had put together a draft doc on some ideas back before the Juno summit, I think | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: Once Juno RC1 is over, perhaps we can discuss the plan for Kilo and propose sessions accordingly | 16:53 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : do you have the link? | 16:54 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: +1 | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | matrohon: hang on looking | 16:54 |
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| matrohon | Shukdev : thanks | 16:54 |
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| banix | matrohon: will you be at the summit? | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | matrohon: here you go https://docs.google.com/document/d/17fATwZkJEonH0pIb1-mPD0UB5RKnJzcHYqkBesJhirE/edit | 16:55 |
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| matrohon | banix : yes I'm french :) | 16:55 |
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| banix | matrohon: cool :) | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | matrohon: so, we want to hang around with you over there - so that we are not lost :-):-) | 16:55 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: please add as action item, so we dont forget | 16:56 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: sounds like a smart move! | 16:56 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Note that our thinking continued to evolve after we stopped updating that doc, so don’t take it too literally. | 16:56 |
| matrohon | fine :) but I don't live in Paris however | 16:56 |
| rkukura | shivharis: What’s the action? | 16:56 |
| matrohon | rkukura : fine | 16:56 |
| shivharis | this needs to be discussed for kilo release | 16:56 |
| shivharis | design summit discussion | 16:57 |
| rkukura | #action ML2 team to start thinking about Kilo design summit topics | 16:57 |
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| banix | perhaps we need to start an etherpad in anticipation for organizing for Kilo design sessions at some point | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Is it time to start an etherpad or wiki to gather ideas? | 16:57 |
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| rkukura | #undo | 16:57 |
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| rkukura | #action rkukura to create etherpad for ML2-related design summit ideas, including this async postcommit processing topic | 16:59 |
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| rkukura | Any other topics for discussion? | 16:59 |
| yamamoto | nothing from me | 16:59 |
| shivharis | rkukura: you said it will be a short meeting | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: you said it will be short meeting - only 1 min left :-) | 17:00 |
| rkukura | We’ve managed to use our entire hour once again - I guess thats a good sign! | 17:00 |
| banix | thanks everybody | 17:00 |
| chuckC | good discussion :) | 17:00 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 10 17:00:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-09-10-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| rkukura | Thanks ML2’ers! | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-09-10-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-09-10-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
| matrohon | bye | 17:00 |
| shivharis | bye | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: heya - about? | 17:00 |
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| vinod1 | yes | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | could you chair, I'm going to have to duck out after in 15mins or so | 17:01 |
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| vinod1 | sure | 17:01 |
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| vinod1 | #startmeeting Designate | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 10 17:02:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vinod1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:02 |
| vinod1 | Who's around? | 17:02 |
| Kiall | o/ | 17:02 |
| rjrjr_ | o/ | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | mugsie is AFK today | 17:02 |
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| vinod1 | Emmanuel and others are busy with some other issue here | 17:02 |
| Kiall | Nobody else here today? | 17:02 |
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| vinod1 | So thin attendance today | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Yep.. Oh well :) | 17:03 |
| vinod1 | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:03 |
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| vinod1 | kiall to do client release today | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Done - 1.1.0 is released.. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-designateclient/ | 17:03 |
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| vinod1 | cool | 17:04 |
| vinod1 | Kiall to discuss FF exceptions with theirry during 1:1 tomorrow. | 17:04 |
| Kiall | Also done, as an incubated rather than integrated project, it's up to the core team to make FFE decisions. | 17:04 |
| Kiall | The process for "documenting" that is to mark the BP as being for juno-rc1 | 17:04 |
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| vinod1 | #topic Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | Okay, so j3 is out the door - woo - https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/juno-3 | 17:06 |
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| rjrjr_ | congratulations! | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | and juno-rc1 bugs/bp's are being tracked here https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | bug 1366821 is a pretty big one, hopefully the curent review solves iut | 17:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1366821 in designate "Backends don't implement create/update/delete_recordset" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366821 | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | Beyond that - I don't think we have much else to discuss on rc1 | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Other than - rc1 is Sept 25th | 17:07 |
| vinod1 | How about TSIG? | 17:08 |
| Kiall | 2 weeks | 17:08 |
| Kiall | vinod1: well, dnspython released the fix, so in theory we can try implement it as a FEE | 17:08 |
| Kiall | FFE* | 17:08 |
| vinod1 | just wanted to check if we want that as an FFE or move it to kilo? | 17:08 |
| Kiall | But - getting the openstack/requirements change in to get the version we need will be harder - since dependancies are frozen too ;) | 17:09 |
| vinod1 | so move it to kilo then | 17:09 |
| Kiall | I'll see about getting the o/r change in, if it does, we'll move from kilo->rc1? | 17:09 |
| vinod1 | how about transfer zones? are we still targeting it as an FFE? | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Yes, mugsie was about 80% through the rebase yesterday, I suspect he'll have it done in the next few days | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | ok | 17:10 |
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| vinod1 | moving on | 17:10 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to attempt an o/r change for dnspython | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | i will switch the order a bit to utilize Kiall's time here | 17:11 |
| vinod1 | #topic Server Pools Implementation Order | 17:11 |
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| vinod1 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/SubTeams/Pools#Server_Pools_Implementation_Order | 17:11 |
| vinod1 | I wrote up an initial implementation order of the work items for the first pass of server pools | 17:11 |
| Kiall | I was going to suggest leaving that till next week when mugsie is about, I've not personally put much thought into it | 17:12 |
| rjrjr_ | +1 | 17:12 |
| vinod1 | Okay | 17:12 |
| vinod1 | The remaining 2 items too are about server pools | 17:12 |
| vinod1 | #topic Server Pools - some questions clarifications | 17:12 |
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| vinod1 | currently we have status values of pending, active, deleted - should we have a value for error? How long can a change be in pending? Do we need to track pending_since? | 17:12 |
| rjrjr_ | my thinking is we don't need error or any other status. | 17:13 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: so, you think status should go entirely from the API? | 17:13 |
| rjrjr_ | sorry, no new status. | 17:13 |
| vinod1 | This is the status in the database tables and communicating the status the user | 17:14 |
| rjrjr_ | pending, active, deleted cover everything IMHO. | 17:14 |
| Kiall | So.. I think we should - there are too many ways for things to fail, with an async request, how do we report failure to the user without "error"? | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | No other thoughts? | 17:15 |
| vinod1 | I agree | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | I'd agree with rjrjr_ partly though - I wouldn't want to see 1000's of status | 17:16 |
| timsim | Pending, Active, Deleted, Error seem fine to me. | 17:16 |
| rjrjr_ | what does error report exactly? | 17:16 |
| timsim | That something has gone wrong? | 17:16 |
| timsim | Backend failure or something like that. | 17:16 |
| rjrjr_ | one server failed to get updated? | 17:16 |
| vinod1 | Something that the user has no direct control over | 17:17 |
| rjrjr_ | the threshold failed to get updated? | 17:17 |
| timsim | If that's your threshold after a certain time. | 17:17 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: It reports that "something" exploded after your initial API call responded, that something is anything that we can't recover from automatically.. | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Usually that means errors we didn't think would happen, so didn't code around | 17:18 |
| vinod1 | Does the status move from ERROR to ACTIVE? | 17:18 |
| rjrjr_ | i hate being the odd man out here, but we have the server pool actively retrying things. my problem is i would like the communication between mini-dns and pool manager to be less, not more. | 17:19 |
| Kiall | I think ERROR should only ever show when we have no way to auto-correct, which means it wouldn't automatically go from ERROR -> ACTIVE, but an admin might "fix" whatever the issue was and reset the state.. cinder/nova/etc have similar concepts | 17:19 |
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| timsim | rjrjr_: If it has to communicate active, what is communicating error adding? | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: I actually think this isn't adding any more communication - it's what we do when, for example, an unhandled exception occurs | 17:20 |
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| rjrjr_ | more calls. i wanted to propose when mini-dns cannot do something (errors) to just not report that to the pool manager. | 17:20 |
| rjrjr_ | we can look at the timestamps of the last successful polls to determine if things are okay or not. | 17:21 |
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| rjrjr_ | this gets into the whole pool manager design in the spec. | 17:21 |
| vinod1 | failing silently seems risky to me | 17:21 |
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| rjrjr_ | it's not silent. pool manager is keeping track of the date of successful polls. | 17:22 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: so, I agree that mdns/poolmgr needs to decide how it handles errors - but this status isn't really mDNS or even poolmgr specific :) | 17:22 |
| rjrjr_ | also, i'm hoping you are showing problems in the mini-dns logs. | 17:22 |
| rjrjr_ | kiall, i understand. | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | For example, creating a new domain once multiple pools exist, the domain goes to PENDING and we return the user.. In the background, the future scheduler starts trying to find a suitable pool - if no suitable pool is found - we should have a way to return "That Failed" to the user.. similar to what happens when you boot a VM and have no capacity remaining ;) | 17:24 |
| rjrjr_ | okay. but we do not have a scheduler right now. | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | Sure - There's lots of possible things that might be a trigger for moving a resource to ERROR, mdns may or may not be that thing | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | if mDNS doesn't feed back out to the status field on error, that might be OK, but I think we have plenty of other places for stuff to explode and need a reporting mechanism the moment we switch to async | 17:26 |
| rjrjr_ | here's the problem, unless we are tracking each and every update with a request ID of some sort, it will be hard to report an error to the user. | 17:26 |
| rjrjr_ | and if we are tracking each update with a request ID, our pool manager database grows exponentially. | 17:27 |
| rjrjr_ | i have a design that keeps the pool manager database (table) as small as possible for performance reasons. | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Yea, I see the concern :) It easy-ish to reason about what an ERROR state is when something like domain creation fails, but harder to come up with good examples for things like RRSet modifications etc | 17:27 |
| rjrjr_ | i have no problem with Error for domain create/failure. | 17:28 |
| Kiall | (I've gotta run in 5mins) | 17:29 |
| Kiall | So - Anyway, I think we should come back to this one next week with everyone around - and some concrete examples of what might trigger an ERROR status etc | 17:29 |
| rjrjr_ | i want to get rid of the status when we are polling for serial number and just have successful serial numbers reported back to pool manager. | 17:30 |
| rjrjr_ | the status for updates can't be used anyway. | 17:30 |
| rjrjr_ | agree about waiting until next week. | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | :) | 17:30 |
| vinod1 | okay will come back to it next week | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Moving very quickly on :D When a recordset is deleted - do we show it to the user in the api? We track when it moves from pending to deleted. Do we give this information back to the user? | 17:31 |
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| rjrjr_ | maybe we can brainstorm on error reasons and have a point to start the discussion next week. | 17:31 |
| rjrjr_ | kiall, only if the user queries designate again. | 17:31 |
| Kiall | No, I don't believe we should ever show normal users deleted resources... But, an admin might want to see them | 17:31 |
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| rjrjr_ | i'm thinking very similar to what nova does. | 17:32 |
| rjrjr_ | when a VM is created/deleted. | 17:32 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: yep - agreed | 17:32 |
| vinod1 | My point here is when a domain is deleted, do we track whether it was removed from the nameservers? | 17:32 |
| rjrjr_ | yes. | 17:32 |
| Kiall | We certainly should anyway :) | 17:32 |
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| rjrjr_ | how about i write up something and the team can add to it. | 17:33 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: sure, sounds good | 17:33 |
| rjrjr_ | for where errors can occur. | 17:33 |
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| vinod1 | If we track the information, why not show it the user? | 17:33 |
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| rjrjr_ | vinod, we will, if they query again. | 17:33 |
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| vinod1 | #topic Open Discussion | 17:34 |
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| rjrjr_ | so, the user deletes a record. async call. they are done. (think 'nova boot'). then they run a query to see if the record has been deleted yet or not. | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Okay - really gotta go :) Sorry for needing to bail early! | 17:35 |
| rjrjr_ | sure. l8r | 17:35 |
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| vinod1 | #action rjrjr_: Write up on handling error status in server pools | 17:35 |
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| vinod1 | okay if there is nothing else then we can end the meeting | 17:36 |
| vinod1 | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 10 17:36:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
| rjrjr_ | vinod: did you get a chance to re-read the specs. | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-09-10-17.02.html | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-09-10-17.02.txt | 17:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-09-10-17.02.log.html | 17:36 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 10 18:00:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| grapex | o/ | 18:00 |
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| mattgriffin | o/ | 18:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:00 |
| schang | o/ | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:00 |
| kevinconway | o/ | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Agenda_for_Sep_10 | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | giving folks a few minutes to trickle in before we start. | 18:01 |
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| vipul | o/ | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Clusters Migration and Downgrades | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | schang: floor is yours | 18:04 |
| schang | ok ... | 18:04 |
| amcrn | o/ | 18:04 |
| schang | A little while ago, I discovered that Trove do not have a migration test script when I was working on a bug. | 18:05 |
| cp16net | o\ | 18:05 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:05 |
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| schang | So I ported the script from Nova into Trove. | 18:05 |
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| schang | When I run my test script against the Trove migration script, it reveals issues in the downgrades. | 18:05 |
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| schang | We need to decide on what we actually should be testing in the migration test script. | 18:06 |
| schang | The agenda item outlines a few options we have to move forward. | 18:07 |
| schang | Any thoughts? | 18:07 |
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| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:07 |
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| georgelorch | o/ | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | schang: I don't believe HP actually uses any of the downgrade scripts (while deploying). | 18:08 |
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| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, the key question is whether we want to test that infra. When schang fixed that bug we decided to implement upgrade/downgrade testing | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | would be good to get a sense if other folks use them at all. | 18:09 |
| vgnbkr | What is "downgrade" supposed to do in a wider OpenStack context? What is the expected state after a downgrade? | 18:09 |
| amcrn | when this was first being discussed, the question that arose was: should the purpose of a downgrade script be for development purposes, or should it be a means of temporarily downgrading in a production deployment (i.e. rollback) | 18:09 |
| dougshelley66 | but that testing isn't really going to work because folks are introducing downgrade scripts with issues | 18:09 |
| schang | SlickNik: I think the downgrade's purpose should be for devs to reset db's. | 18:10 |
| schang | Therefore, I think it's OK to clean up tables on downgrade. | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | amcrn: good point if that's the case — we're not going to catch any of the production issues during a migrations test on devstack, so I'd question the intent of testing downgrades in a devstack install. | 18:11 |
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| amcrn | SlickNik: +1 | 18:12 |
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| grapex | Testing the upgrades with grenade are bad enough- I can't imagine how much of a hassle it would be to test downgrades too | 18:12 |
| cp16net | i agree as well we do not use downgrades | 18:12 |
| peterstac | I think that in a production environment, if a downgrade is necessary then it would probably entail replacing the db with a backup taken before the upgrade | 18:12 |
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| vgnbkr | Looking at the OPenstack docs, a downgrade is only supposed to be done if no changes have been made to the system after the upgrade. That being the case, the downgrade scripts should remove tables created by the upgrade scipts. | 18:13 |
| cp16net | i think that would be the safe way peterstac | 18:13 |
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| grapex | Also a downgrade implies something doesn't work in the upgrade. If the upgrade itself produced a state that was undesirable, what's the hope the downgrade scripts is totally compatible with whatever the upgrade did? | 18:13 |
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| kevinconway | yeah, you can't actually run some of the downgrade scripts in a production db | 18:13 |
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| kevinconway | imaging rolling back datastore versions and types | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | vgnbkr: link? | 18:14 |
| schang | Seems like all of us is aggreeing that downgrade is for the convenience of devs to reset db. | 18:15 |
| vgnbkr | SlickNik: I deleted the tab - I'll see if I can find it again. | 18:15 |
| amrith | schang, I don't know that is the case | 18:15 |
| amrith | if it is a documented feature of openstack. | 18:15 |
| vgnbkr | http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/ops_upgrades-roll-back.html | 18:15 |
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| cp16net | so there is another cmd to reset the db called wipe_db | 18:15 |
| cp16net | DONT DO THAT IN PROD :) | 18:16 |
| grapex | cp16net: But what if I really wanted to? | 18:16 |
| grapex | Is there a way to modify that command to also save all of my user's data? | 18:16 |
| * cp16net has evil laugh | 18:16 | |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: According to that link — "Restore databases from the grizzly-db-backup.sql backup file that you created with the mysqldump command during the upgrade process" | 18:17 |
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| grapex | wipe just implies cleaning. If I bought wipes for my car and it stopped running after I used them I'd feel very upset! | 18:17 |
| grapex | Ok I'll stop now. | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: So I don't think they're advocating running the dowgrade scripts either. | 18:17 |
| kevinconway | schang: when you hit issues with downgrades, was that during/after a failed upgrade? | 18:17 |
| amcrn | the statement "Make sure that you did not make any state changes after attempting the upgrade process: no new instances, networks, storage volumes, and so on." is one heck of an assumption, that nearly no deployer can make. | 18:17 |
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| amrith | amcrn, that statement is funny | 18:17 |
| amrith | because it comes after the one that says you found a problem not found in testing | 18:18 |
| peterstac | SlickNik: Correct - it says "Restore databases from the <backup_name>.sql backup file that you created" | 18:18 |
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| kevinconway | amcrn: well, as soon as you use a feature that required the upgrade you can no longer run the downgrade without causing lossy changes | 18:18 |
| schang | kevinconway, I hit issues when I test downgrade from latest all the way back to v1. | 18:18 |
| cp16net | i agree i rather just keep moving forward | 18:18 |
| vgnbkr | The key point is that downgrade is for correcting a failed upgrade, not for deciding 3 months later that you don't like it. | 18:18 |
| amcrn | i think we're all in agreement that a db_downgrade is an awful idea in production, and irrespective of whether the official literature claims it *can* be safe in some scenarios, it shouldn't be trusted. therefore, i think schang is correct that a downgrade should drop. | 18:19 |
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| amcrn | might as well make the development-path a happy path. | 18:19 |
| dougshelley66 | do folks agree that having a test that runs the upgrade and downgrade code is a useful thing? | 18:20 |
| amcrn | dougshelley66: i don't | 18:20 |
| cp16net | i dont see much use of it | 18:20 |
| amcrn | to me db_downgrade is a dev utility | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | amcrn: +1 I agree I would not recommend running thees downgrade scripts on any live deployment. | 18:20 |
| amrith | even if it is a dev thing, shouldn't we at least test it? | 18:20 |
| cp16net | amcrn: i've never used it | 18:20 |
| amrith | and make sure it works | 18:20 |
| amrith | if not, let's eliminate it. | 18:21 |
| schang | amcrn: +1 on dropping the tables on downngrade. That will make the test simple. | 18:21 |
| vgnbkr | Do we have the option to eliminate downgrade, or is it a mandated feature? | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | Agreed. I'm fine with schang updating the downgrade scripts to drop data, and do what needs to be done to return the system to what state it was in before the upgrade. | 18:21 |
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| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, and also put up the automated test? | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | We just have to be clear that these downgrade scripts are not an operator feature, but rather a dev convenience for testing. | 18:22 |
| cp16net | who has ever used the downgrade ? | 18:22 |
| kevinconway | my downgrade is typically drop the db and run the migrate up | 18:23 |
| kevinconway | for dev, of course | 18:23 |
| dougshelley66 | so why do we have all the code? | 18:23 |
| cp16net | exactly. | 18:23 |
| dougshelley66 | that doesn't work | 18:23 |
| kevinconway | i try not to do that in production too often | 18:23 |
| dougshelley66 | and is untested | 18:23 |
| peterstac | cp16net: well, you'd use downgrade when you're testing an upgrade, right? | 18:23 |
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| cp16net | my point is why does it need to be tested? | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: I've run it occasionally to check that upgrades from multiple versions work when I'm authoring a new migrate script. | 18:23 |
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| cp16net | SlickNik: i'm surprised.. | 18:24 |
| cp16net | :-P | 18:24 |
| dougshelley66 | so my view is we either test the code or get rid of it and don't test it | 18:24 |
| amrith | dougshelley66, +1 | 18:24 |
| amrith | well, if you get rid of it, it would be hard to test it. | 18:25 |
| amrith | but +1 nonetheless. | 18:25 |
| grapex | SlickNik: So is the utility you get that you *can* create some instance data or other stuff, run the downgrade, then test upgrade multiple times? | 18:25 |
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| grapex | Even though officially the downgrades shouldn't preserve existing data? | 18:25 |
| amrith | grapex, you can't necessarily do that | 18:25 |
| amrith | downgrades don't clean up data | 18:25 |
| amrith | the drop tables | 18:25 |
| amrith | they don't necessarily delete rows added in existing tables | 18:26 |
| grapex | I guess I really don't see what a downgrade buys even devs over just dropping the tables and re-creating them | 18:26 |
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| amcrn | grapex:i manually drop tables fwiw | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | grapex: Nope, don't create anything — Say you're authoring migrate script v10. I've used it to verify that I can upgrade correctly from multiple v3, v5, v7, and so on. | 18:26 |
| robertmyers | typically a downgrade is only used during a deploy to revert a change | 18:26 |
| grapex | amcrn: At Rax we all be dropping tables like gangsters | 18:26 |
| robertmyers | so there shouldn't be data in it | 18:27 |
| amcrn | grapex: pft, we hired Bobby Droptables | 18:27 |
| grapex | amcrn: lol | 18:27 |
| grapex | SlickNik: So is this when you're doing grenade testing? | 18:27 |
| grapex | or is this all by hand, running each command? | 18:27 |
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| schang | Ok ... should I drop the tables on downgrades? | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | grapex: nope, last time I did it was when I wrote a new migration script (backups I think) by hand. | 18:28 |
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| grapex | SlickNik: So you wrote it by hand- it sounds like we're ok w/ dropping tables | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | grapex: Yes, that's what I'm hearing. | 18:29 |
| schang | +1? | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | +1 to dropping the tables to leave the db at the exact state you found it at before the upgrade. | 18:30 |
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| schang | ok, thanks SlickNik, I'll submit a new patch. | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | schang: that should solve your issues, correct? | 18:30 |
| schang | SlickNik: yes | 18:30 |
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| schang | That's all I have for this agenda item. We can move on. | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | Okay, thanks schang! | 18:31 |
| schang | thx | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | #topic trove-specs is underway for Kilo | 18:32 |
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| SlickNik | So I've been working on getting a trove-specs repo going. | 18:32 |
| cp16net | so all BPs will need a spec review | 18:33 |
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| SlickNik | And that should be done in the next couple of days. | 18:33 |
| cp16net | ? | 18:33 |
| cp16net | all BPs going into kilo | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | So this is just a heads up — any new BPs starting week after next will need a spec attached. | 18:34 |
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| cp16net | ok | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: Yes, I believe it's a good idea to retroactively require even BPs that we approved to have a spec. | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | So all Kilo BPs will be in the spec repo. | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | (There's only the SUSE one really) | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | What do folks think? | 18:35 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, +1 | 18:35 |
| kevinconway | do we write them in .rst format? | 18:35 |
| amcrn | SlickNik: sounds good. | 18:35 |
| kevinconway | i'm new the specs-repo | 18:35 |
| peterstac | SlickNik: +1 | 18:35 |
| dougshelley66 | I think that all the BPs for kilo should be in the spec repo even if they were wiki before | 18:36 |
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| SlickNik | kevinconway: Yes, it should be in rst format | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | FWIW, I have the specs repo seed at: https://github.com/SlickNik/trove-specs | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | Just need to submit the infra changes to get that sucked into the openstack repos | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | But you guys can start taking a look at that location for format, template, etc. | 18:37 |
| amcrn | SlickNik: https://github.com/SlickNik/trove-specs/blob/master/specs/template.rst should go a long way in making our blueprints more robust, i'm a fan. | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | #link https://github.com/SlickNik/trove-specs | 18:38 |
| grapex | amcrn: +1 | 18:38 |
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| SlickNik | I'll let the channel know when the repo made its way to openstack/trove-specs | 18:38 |
| cp16net | coo | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | #info All Kilo blueprints will require a link to a spec in trove-specs | 18:39 |
| amrith | and the review process will be through gerrit, right? | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | Also this link talks a bit about about the process —https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Spec_.2B_Blueprints_lifecycle | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Spec_.2B_Blueprints_lifecycle | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | amrith: correct | 18:40 |
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| amrith | tx | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | That's all I had for this. Will keep you guys updated on the progress. | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | Any questions? | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | . | 18:41 |
| cp16net | anyone have a screw driver? | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:41 |
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| dougshelley66 | cp16net, the drink? | 18:42 |
| cp16net | no phillips tool | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | need one to fix my monitor | 18:42 |
| cp16net | :-P | 18:42 |
| amrith | the one you broke? | 18:42 |
| amrith | laptop monitor | 18:43 |
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| amrith | I don't think SlickNik meant this when he said "open discussion" ;) | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | lol, Anything else? | 18:43 |
| amrith | going once | 18:44 |
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| SlickNik | going twice | 18:44 |
| amrith | SOLD! | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 10 18:45:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-09-10-18.00.html | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-09-10-18.00.txt | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | Thanks guys | 18:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-09-10-18.00.log.html | 18:45 |
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| grapex | Thanks SlickNik! | 18:46 |
| amrith | thx SlickNik | 18:46 |
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