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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 12 16:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | who's around for the oslo meeting? | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| viktors | o/ | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
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| beekneemech | \o | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | dimsum_, zzzeek : ping | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | viktors: ping | 16:02 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: pong | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | our agenda: | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:02 |
| dimsum_ | on my way o/ | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
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| zzzeek | o/ though im on a flaky hotel wifi | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | I have updated stevedore to build wheels, and I talked to ttx about the oslo.rootwrap release | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | I think that's all we had from last time, based on http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-09-05-16.00.txt | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| dhellmann | liaisons, are you running into issues locking down your release candidates? | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | I'll take that as a no :-) | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o | 16:05 |
| viktors | bknudson: have you seen this patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120146/ ? | 16:05 |
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| bknudson | viktors: no, I'll put it on my list | 16:05 |
| viktors | bknudson: thanks! | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | any other news from or for liaisons? | 16:06 |
| bknudson | not much going on due to feature freeze, rc | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | ok, we have a couple of bugs in play, let's talk about those | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #topic lockutils bug | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "lockutils bug (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:06 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1367941 | 16:07 |
| bknudson | can start back up again once kilo is opened | 16:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367941 in nova "Able to aquire the semaphore used in lockutils.synchronized_with_prefix twice at the same time" [Medium,In progress] | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech, have an update? | 16:07 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: harlowja_at_home just proposed a fix for the releasing message not being logged when there's an exception raised. | 16:07 |
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| beekneemech | Other than that I think we're in good shape with that bug. | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/121160 | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | it seems like I can change the priority from critical | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | ah, that's been done since I loaded that page last :-) | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | can we just not use threads/eventlet anymore :) | 16:08 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: It was already, wasn't it? | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: yep, I needed to reload from a few hours ago | 16:08 |
| beekneemech | I think incubator may have still been critical this morning, but I dropped that already. | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: it's unassigned, should I give it to you? | 16:09 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: Yeah, probably. | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | done | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | well, except lp is flaking out on me | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | I'll do that later | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | #topic sqlalchemy-migrate issue | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sqlalchemy-migrate issue (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:10 | |
| dhellmann | so yesterday we pushed through a release of sqlalchemy-migrate for an oslo bp, and that broke some things in nova's unit tests | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | I think we've come to a consensus on the general approach to fix that after feature freeze | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | the mailing list thread: | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045840.html | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | questions or comments on that? | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | do we want to get sqlalchemy-migrate into the gating process then? (i believe its not?) | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | it's not an oslo library, and so far we've resisted the urge to adopt it because we really want people to stop using it | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | that's up for discussion, though, if we think it would make things better | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | the tests that broke were unit tests, and we're not doing cross-project gating on those anyway, so I don't think that would have made the situation any better | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | that cross-project testing is also still up for discussion for kilo | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | ok, let's talk about where our release candidates stand | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | #topic other RC-1 Work | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "other RC-1 Work (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:14 | |
| dhellmann | I've moved tracking out of the old etherpad: | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-feature-freeze | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | to launchpad: | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | after *finally* getting the projects there cleaned up | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | as bugs come in, we should be triaging and targeting them if they need to be fixed | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | is the pylockfile adoption still happening? | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | that's in progress, yes, but it's not an rc-1 blocker | 16:15 |
| * harlowja_at_home has been following that goverance repo review | 16:15 | |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | see also https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-juno | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-juno | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | those can be "background tasks" that we complete but that won't block the release in any way | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | most of those open bugs are related to documentation, for example | 16:16 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: I wonder why rootwrap daemon mode bp is in next-juno? It's already implemented | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | YorikSar: I'll need to talk to ttx about how his release script works and whether we want to move that over to -rc1 when we close that milestone | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | YorikSar: I was focusing on moving the in-progress or needs-to-be-done items over so we had a good list to work from | 16:18 |
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| YorikSar | dhellmann: There's another bp implemented in next-juno so we should do smth about that one too | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | YorikSar: yep, I'll talk to ttx about that when the time comes | 16:18 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I need to work on that script | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: Should I retarget the finished items to our rc1 milestone to simplify the release? We are using next-juno for "post rc1" items | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | non-blocking work, basically | 16:19 |
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| ttx | that's not how we discussed it | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | no? I thought that's what we said. | 16:20 |
| ttx | the idea, as I understood it, was to use next-juno and rename it when you release it | 16:20 |
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| ttx | since you know the version number then | 16:20 |
| ttx | post-juno work should be in kilo, no ? | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | I suppose we could just do that | 16:21 |
| ttx | basically, there should be no "post-rc1 item in juno | 16:21 |
| ttx | since rc1 is supposedly releaseable as final | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | it's stuff like documentation, so I thought we might make it after our rc but before the overall rc was done | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | ok, I see the sense in that | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | I'll rearrange that stuff then and get rid of the rc1 tag and we'll just use next-juno | 16:22 |
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| ttx | maybe what you want is some x.y.z.aN milestone for your pre-rc | 16:23 |
| ttx | and then next-juno for the "remaining work before release" | 16:23 |
| ttx | if you want to track that differently | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I was trying to use a name that didn't include the version so we could have a unified view of the different projects | 16:23 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: ah! yeah, htat cross-project view is nice | 16:24 |
| ttx | let me think about it a minute | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | right, otherwise I go back to going insane trying to track everything :-) | 16:24 |
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| ttx | so if I understand correctly you want a milestone to track the work that will go in the last tag before the rc ? | 16:24 |
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| dhellmann | how about if I move everything in next-juno to next-kilo and then rename juno-rc1 to next-juno? that lets us have the unified view and correctly reflects the fact that the other work will come after the release | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | yes, that's right | 16:25 |
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| ttx | why not use the last tag as the rc ? | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | the last tag where? | 16:26 |
| ttx | heh, this is confusing | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | oh, you mean the version of the library? | 16:26 |
| ttx | I mean, why do you need to track work for the "last tag before rc" separately from "work before rc" | 16:27 |
| ttx | couldn't the last tag be the rc ? | 16:27 |
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| dhellmann | I think I'm being confusing by talking about 2 different RCs. | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | Oslo will finish our rc1 on 18 Sept | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | we have some documentation to write, and some other non-critical non-code things to do after that | 16:28 |
| ttx | so yourc1 will be a collection of alpha tags on various libs, right ? | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | yes | 16:28 |
| ttx | ok, that's I think where the problem is, you call rc1 somethign taht's not a release candidate | 16:28 |
| ttx | but more a development milestone | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | should they be some other sort of tag, then? | 16:29 |
| ttx | where it's still ok to change things after that | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | should we just tag the final versions on 18 Sept | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | well, just documentation | 16:29 |
| bknudson | I thought we wanted non-alpha versions for the client releases? | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: yes, you're right, i forgot about that | 16:29 |
| ttx | rigth, we want the final | 16:29 |
| ttx | frankly at this stage it's simpler to just use a single milestone | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | ok, so on 18 Sept we'll be tagging with the (hopefully) final versions as found on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-feature-freeze | 16:30 |
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| ttx | you use next-juno, target all work to it, when you tag a final you rename it | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | I'll update launchpad | 16:30 |
| ttx | IF shit happens, you can open a new next-juno and re-release it (bumping other projects requirements as needed) | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | when I'm done, the work we have remaining for our release will be in https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-juno | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | that list is currently things we have already done or that need to happen for kilo | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | and we'll just start our kilo cycle before everyone else, that's fine | 16:31 |
| ttx | and post-juno work fgoes to next-kilo | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll fix that up by the end of the day today | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | ok, sorry for the confusion on that everyone | 16:32 |
| bknudson | for kilo the releases change back to alphas? | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | so, looking at our current list on https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/juno-rc1 -- are we missing anything there? | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: yes, under the new version series | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | is everyone clear on the rc1 work now? | 16:33 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: it might still be useful at some point to have two different milestones, one for the next alpha tag, and one for the tag that will come after it... butwe can discuss that for kilo | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, so https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-juno will be adjusted right, i can probably associate a few taskflow bugs that aren't in that list later today (i guess after the adjustment that ttx suggested?) | 16:34 |
| ttx | for juno with one week left, next-juno = non-alpha versioned tag | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: yes | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | k, thx | 16:35 |
| ttx | = probably the last juno release | 16:35 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: that works, and thanks | 16:35 |
| ttx | sorry for the intrusion/mess | 16:35 |
| ttx | :) | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | no, thanks for fixing us up! :-) | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | #topic Graduation status | 16:35 |
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| dhellmann | #info version number list at the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-feature-freeze | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | we just went over this, but I'm a slave to the agenda | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | on 18 sept we'll be tagging versions based on the list there | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | dimsum_, is oslo.vmware going to be 1.0 ? | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | oh, I see you just updated the pad | 16:36 |
| dimsum_ | 0.6.0 | 16:37 |
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| dimsum_ | y | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | I moved it down to the pre-release list | 16:37 |
| dimsum_ | cool | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | and I updated oslo.db to be 1.0, since it's in use | 16:37 |
| viktors | ok | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | we need to work on getting our libraries that are in use in the other projects up to 1.0 status by the end of kilo, or have a reasonablly detailed set of reasons why we can't | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | be thinking about that as we start planning kilo | 16:39 |
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| dhellmann | I'm anticipating a couple of pre-releases between now and monday for oslo.db, oslo.vmware, and pbr -- is there anything else that needs a release to allow for unit tests before the final releases on next thursday? | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann review all libs for unreleased changes that need to go out on monday | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:41 |
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| dhellmann | that's all of the formal agenda, does anyone have anything else they need to bring up? | 16:41 |
| bknudson | nope | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | nopers | 16:42 |
| zzzeek | lots on my mind but nothing good for here... | 16:42 |
| rpodolyaka | guys, do I understand correctly,that we should merge these last transifex/global-requrements sync changes asap? | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: yes, we need to do that before cutting final versions of the libs | 16:42 |
| rpodolyaka | cool, that was my understanding too | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | I won't release new alphas if those are the only changes I see in a project, but we want the requirements up to date by thursday | 16:43 |
| bknudson | if you want it merged by monday better get started! | 16:43 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: Will alphas be tagged on Sep 18 as well? | 16:43 |
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| rpodolyaka | bknudson: indeed :( | 16:43 |
| zzzeek | newb q: is it the general case that random reviews coming in for oslo.db are definitely only for kilo? | 16:43 |
| viktors | bknudson: :-D | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: and if you have +2, you can just approve translation and requirements updates -- my policy is we don't argue with those changes in oslo | 16:43 |
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| * dimsum_ nods | 16:43 | |
| rpodolyaka | dhellmann: ack | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | YorikSar: if we need any other alphas, those will happen between now and monday. We will use final version numbers for everything on 18 sept | 16:44 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: yes, at this point, only bugs blocking other projects' releases should be merged | 16:44 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: great | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | there's no need to -2 them, just leave them out there for now | 16:44 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: i was -2’ing things that are in conflict with my own patches | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | ok, that's different | 16:45 |
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| rpodolyaka | btw, that reminds of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110170/29 / https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120923/ | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | other projects do make a point of using -2 at this point to signal to contributors why something isn't going to merge, but we don't usually have enough traffic to worry about that (at least not yet) | 16:45 |
| rpodolyaka | which one of those we should merge | 16:45 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka: yup thats the one | 16:45 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: But what about oslo.concurrency? It's moving slowly (mostly because of me) and seems not ready for release. | 16:45 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110170/29 is good, but its fine for kilo | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka: at this point, probably neither | 16:45 |
| zzzeek | i dont think we shoudl be changing any of this stuff until then | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | I haven't had a chance to look at them in detail to pick between them | 16:46 |
| rpodolyaka | so zzzeek's change is more like a refactoring | 16:46 |
| rpodolyaka | and the other one is a bug fix | 16:46 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: OK well waht of the blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117335/ ? | 16:46 |
| rpodolyaka | the bug itself is not critical though | 16:46 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka: their fix is just little cleanup stuff | 16:46 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka: its not a bug | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: that will need to be resubmitted as a kilo blueprint when we open those up, after the releases are all done | 16:47 |
| zzzeek | rpodolyaka: its cleanup that my refactor blows over, so i dont seethe need to waste time rearranging deckchairs | 16:47 |
| zzzeek | this is waht i mean, ppl keep sumitting little nit fixers to the test system even though we’re in FF and all that | 16:47 |
| zzzeek | why are they doing that now? | 16:47 |
| * dhellmann shrugs | 16:48 | |
| bknudson | it's better to have the changes in gerrit rather than on your pc | 16:48 |
| bknudson | in case you get hit by a bus | 16:48 |
| zzzeek | im mostly doing test connectivity and then i want to get into the EngineFacade stuff next | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: fair point | 16:48 |
| zzzeek | so nobody touch any of that! | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:48 |
| rpodolyaka | :) | 16:48 |
| zzzeek | nova actually runs a single operation across multiple connections b.c. they are not using the session correctly | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | *and nobody please get hit buy a bus* | 16:49 |
| bknudson | if you really want your changes to go first, then can rebase the other change on yours | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: ++ | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think we're done for today. take the extra 10 minutes to review one of our rc1 patches, please! | 16:50 |
| zzzeek | lates | 16:50 |
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| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 12 16:50:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-09-12-16.00.html | 16:50 |
| bknudson | thanks | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-09-12-16.00.txt | 16:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-09-12-16.00.log.html | 16:50 |
| viktors | bye! | 16:50 |
| rpodolyaka | thanks, everyone! | 16:51 |
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