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zns#startmeeting satori15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 15 15:00:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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znsHi folks - not sure if anyone is here for satori, but we're going to skip this week. I'm here, though, if anyone has questions.15:01
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zehicledavidlenwell, we ready to start?19:06
rockygo/19:06
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zehicletrying to get davidlenwell19:08
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zehicle#startmeeting Refstack19:09
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 15 19:09:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zehicle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:09
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zehicleroll call19:09
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juliashapovalov2here19:10
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rockyganyone ping davidlenwell?19:11
catherine_dI did19:11
catherine_dvia IRC ... any other way to ping him?19:12
rockygsomeone who may have his phone number ;-)19:12
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catherine_dshould we start?  It is 20 after .. we can check back with David later ..19:19
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zehicleI'd like to talk about juliashapovalov2 's recommendation.19:20
zehicleI did a pull that reflects her option #119:20
davidlenwellIm here ..s orry .. problem with wirless etwork19:20
catherine_dgreat ...19:21
juliashapovalov2hi19:21
davidlenwellhi19:21
juliashapovalov2seems that uuid issue blocks us a lot and nobody even knows the state of issue discussion19:21
rockygagreed.19:22
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davidlenwellI can make the discussion more public if that helps19:23
catherine_dFor the UUID, we need to consider both core list and refstack-client tests19:23
juliashapovalov2do we need them for capabilities list only&19:23
davidlenwelleverything19:23
davidlenwellbecause refstack isn't just the core tester19:23
davidlenwellrefstack is an interop test tool19:23
davidlenwellcapabilities extend beyond core by definition19:24
juliashapovalov2how client suppose to use them?19:24
catherine_da quick soulution now is to settle on one refstack (which can be update periodically) and use it to generate the core list and for refstack tests19:24
catherine_dthat can get us miving ?19:24
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catherine_dmoving19:24
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davidlenwellsure .. if we make a map for a specific sha and used that exclusively19:25
catherine_dyes ...19:25
davidlenwellbut thats also not that useful moving forward19:25
zehicleI wanted to make sure that we have a way to track tests for capabilities that can withstand the tests moving19:25
catherine_dat least for now19:25
davidlenwellzehicle: +119:26
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rockygWould a release label give you what you need?  Anything in the test directories with that lable will be what was there at the time of the label.19:26
juliashapovalov2failures will let us know)19:26
davidlenwelltomorrow at openstack sv .. i will corner some people on this and try to push forward a solution19:26
rockygKewl.  I'll be there, too.19:26
davidlenwellrockyg: no .. a release label won't solve the problem19:27
juliashapovalov2what solitions are discussed?19:27
catherine_d<zehicle> +1 ... but to get us moving let's selltle on using a specific sha for now19:27
zehicleper release, we have independent files19:27
zehiclecatherine_d, yes, I did not make any assumptions about how we'd generate the ID19:27
zehiclewas expecting us to talk about that19:27
zehiclewould like them to be <11 chars19:27
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zehiclemy suggestion is to follow juliashapovalov2 option #1.  a single master crossref file and that we can use for the capabilities files for each release19:29
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catherine_d<davidlenwell>what is the differencc between per release vs specific sha?19:29
davidlenwellreleases can still change paths19:29
davidlenwellupdates still happen to releases over time19:29
davidlenwellits not static19:29
zehicleI'm confused.  from our perspective the trunk test is always the right test19:29
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catherine_dok what we want is sha then ...19:30
zehiclewe just need a way to track a test even if it's name or path changes19:30
davidlenwellzehicle: I can agree to that solution if after tomorrow I still don' thave a solid response from the q/a team19:30
zehicledavidlenwell, works for me.  I have a pull to review19:30
davidlenwellI saw it ..19:30
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catherine_d<zehicle> the reason is tests sometime are moved from sha to sha19:30
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juliashapovalov2davidlenwell, please let us know the result once you get it or don't get19:32
davidlenwellI am meeting with catherine_d tomorrow after the event ..19:33
davidlenwellface to face19:33
davidlenwellit will be the primary topic of discussion19:33
catherine_dand rocky too .. Rob will you be there?19:33
rockygI'll be at the conf if there's anything you need me for19:33
zehicleno, I cannot be there19:33
davidlenwellrob isn't in town for this one19:33
catherine_dic19:34
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juliashapovalov2you can put a note in irc chat19:34
davidlenwellI will19:34
juliashapovalov2tnx19:34
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davidlenwellokay .. so given that catherine rocky and I will meet tomorrow .. Do we have anything else to discuss before then?19:36
catherine_dcould we go through code review?19:36
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rockygCritical reviews that need eyes, votes....19:37
rockygput the links up if there are any19:37
davidlenwellsure19:37
catherine_dFor refstack-client, need decision on this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114791/19:37
davidlenwelll thought a face to face about this one would be more productive19:38
catherine_dUnit test from Sergey ...19:38
catherine_dok19:38
zehicleI'd also like to talk about ubuntu vs centos19:39
davidlenwelloh good point19:39
davidlenwellcatherine_d: we'd like to insure centos/rhel compatibility in the client19:39
rockyg++19:39
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catherine_dya so far we only have setup for Ubuntu .. That would be a work item ...19:40
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davidlenwellagreed19:40
davidlenwellI'll add a story to storyboard19:40
catherine_d<davidlenwell> Let put that in storyboard ?19:41
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catherine_dback to review .. how about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119826/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120926/?19:42
davidlenwellthe git ignore one didn't seem critical19:43
davidlenwellthe other one says not found19:43
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juliashapovalov2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120926/19:44
catherine_dthx19:45
davidlenwellahh .. I see19:46
davidlenwellI will review it today19:46
catherine_d<juliashapovalov2> we will revisit this one after tomorrow's decision? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115579/19:47
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davidlenwellanything else require discussion ?19:49
catherine_dhow about this one .. should it be merged? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:stackforge/refstack,n,z19:49
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davidlenwellif you are talking about the first thing in that list .. no .. it should be reviewed19:51
juliashapovalov2from my side.. guess https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117470/ has higher priority  then https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115579/19:51
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davidlenwellzehicle and I have an agreement that I'll ignore changes to that file until he or someone form defcore have reviewed them .. which is why I have ignored it19:54
davidlenwellget him or joshua to review it19:54
juliashapovalov2got it19:54
davidlenwellalright folks .. we are basically out of time19:55
zehicleyy19:55
catherine_dI have a question about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117470/  .  Should there still be a capabilities,json or should the information is now incliuded in havanacore.json?19:55
zehiclejuliashapovalov2, if you use the existing ID pattern then we can remap them when we have IDs19:55
rockygyah.19:55
zehiclehavanacore.json is the right onw19:56
juliashapovalov2i do19:56
davidlenwellcatherine_d / rockyg I'll see you both tomorrow19:56
catherine_dsure sure19:56
zehicleI also added a status field so that we can accept patches to the draft versions19:56
rockygYeah.  Bright and early.  I'm not saying I'm gonna be bright, though.19:56
zehiclegood luck tomorrow all - sorry I'm not there for support!19:56
zehicleplease let me know if there are discussions about DefCore - we're moving to a board vote Thurs19:57
catherine_d<zehicle> that is great ..19:57
rockygSee most of you tomorrow.19:58
zehiclecatherine_d, thanks19:58
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* zehicle will miss seeing everyone19:58
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catherine_dI think that is it for today .... good discussion ...20:00
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redrobot#startmeeting barbican20:00
openstackredrobot: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.20:00
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catherine_dwe should end our meeting20:00
zehicle#endmeeting20:00
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redrobotzehicle thanks!20:00
zehicleo\20:00
redrobot#startmeeting barbican20:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'barbican'20:01
redrobotHi everyone!  As usual the agenda for today can be found here:20:01
redrobot#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican20:01
redrobot#topic Roll Call20:01
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jraimo/20:01
reaperhulk\o/ _o_ /o/20:02
malinio/ after a looong time!20:02
atiwari0/20:02
redrobotwelcome malini !20:03
redrobotreaperhulk kinda looks like YMCA?20:03
malini:)20:03
kaitlin-farro/20:04
redrobotgot a couple of barbicaneers here setting up after a meeting20:04
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redrobotI'm going to wait just a minute or two before we get started.20:04
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redrobotI think woodster_  is online now20:06
redrobotlet's get started20:06
woodster_o/20:06
redrobot#topic jenkins.cloudkeep.io20:07
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woodster_malini: welcome back!20:07
redrobotSo the cloudkeep.io domain is owned by the Rackspace Barbican team20:07
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redrobotand we've set up a jenkins server to start working towards our 3rd party testing for Gerrit20:08
redroboteventually we want to be able to run functional tests on barbican with an HSM backend20:08
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redrobotto test the PKCS11 plugin20:08
redrobotso you may notice keep-jenkins in the #openstack-barbican channel complaining about failing builds20:09
redrobotfor those of you who don't use Cloud Cafe, we do have a lot of tests in that framework.20:09
redrobotand that's what jenkins is using now20:09
redrobot#link http://jenkins.cloudkeep.io/job/openstack-barbican-cloudcafe/20:09
redrobotunfortunately the test suite seems to be failing :(20:09
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redrobotI mainly just wanted everyone to be aware that we're starting to build up our test infrastructure for 3rd party testing, and the goal will be to eventually make this a voting gate.20:10
redrobotany questions/comments about this?20:11
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redrobotgoing once20:12
redrobotok, moving on20:13
redrobot#topic Metadata Storage20:13
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redrobotNot sure who added this to the agenda?20:14
redrobotwoodster_ alee?20:14
woodster_I think chellygel did20:14
chellygelsorry that was from last week!20:14
woodster_I the idea was to flesh that out for discussion in Paris20:15
chellygel^ +120:15
redrobot#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican_metadata20:15
chellygelWe're going to go over it more in depth @ Paris to solidify the best option for us20:15
chellygelbut for now we can skip it, unless alee or woodster_ wants to elaborate here20:16
chellygelotherwise, please feel free to take al ook and add your thoughts!20:16
redrobotso for the purpose of this meeting, is it fair to say we just want to share the etherpad link so we can start brainstorming for paris?20:16
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chellygelyes20:16
redrobotOk, cool.  So everyone, please check out that etherpad when you have time.  We'll probably be talking about this in depth at the Summit.20:17
redrobotmoving on20:17
jvrbanacwill do20:17
redrobot#topic API Stability20:17
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redrobotI think we should start adding IRC handles next to the items in the agenda, because I don't know who added this either.20:17
atiwariredrobot, it was me20:18
redrobotusually the wiki emails me when someone edits it, but for some reason I haven't been getting emails lately.20:18
redrobotatiwari go head then20:18
atiwariwondering what are the plans, right now the API are unstable and keep changing.20:19
atiwariin that case we can think about a serous integration20:19
atiwariany thoughts there?20:19
redrobotthe only major change I can think of was Orders, which was discussed last summit20:20
redrobotwe all agreed that it was ok to move forward with this breaking change20:20
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redrobotwe've also previously agreed to support the Juno release as v120:20
redrobotso any breaking changes to the API during the Kilo cycle will require a v220:21
atiwariredrobot, correct but in near future can we assume we are not going to break it again.20:21
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redrobotatiwari yes, you can start integrating with the Juno release20:21
atiwarisince it is not yet integrate project, that we can not commit?20:21
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redrobotatiwari no, we have to commit to a stable v1 in Juno, so that integration can happen during Kilo20:22
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atiwarireaperhulk, that is great news20:22
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atiwarithanks20:22
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atiwariredrobot, next one is mine too20:23
redrobot#info Juno release will be considered the stable v1 API.  We will observe versioning rules for breaking changes moving forward.20:24
redrobot#topic Documentation sync up with new API20:24
*** openstack changes topic to "Documentation sync up with new API (Meeting topic: barbican)"20:24
redrobotatiwari go ahead20:24
atiwaridocs are not in sync with latest changes, any thoughts on updating the docs?20:25
redrobotunfortunately, yes.  the documentation does need some TLC20:25
redrobotthis will be especially important as we try to graduate again next cycle, since the TC will be looking for good documentation20:26
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redrobotas far as documenting the API goes.  My preference is that the people who are making the API changes should also update the documentation, since they're the experts on what is changing.20:26
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atiwariredrobot, +120:27
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atiwarican everyone start looking in to it?20:27
woodster_redrobot, do you mean sphinx docs within the barbican repo?20:28
redrobotwe will be doing some documentation work in the near future here at Rackspace, so yes, we will be looking into20:28
redrobotit20:28
redrobotwe actually have a doc writer who has been sending pull requests to us for doc changes20:29
redrobotso it would be good to pay attention to those20:29
redrobotwoodster_ yes, sphinx docs as well as docbook docs20:29
redrobotand wiki docs as well20:29
atiwariredrobot, is that mean API developer is off the hook?20:29
atiwariall will be done by  doc writer20:30
redrobotno I don't think so20:30
redrobotI'm not sure that our doc writer will have enough bandwidth to fix all documentation for changes from all contributors20:31
atiwariok, then we will wait for more instructions?20:31
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redrobotis there something in particular you want to work on?20:31
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redrobotour doc writer will only be working on docbook documentation20:31
redrobotthat includes the deployer guide, and the api guide20:32
redrobotshe won't be working on sphinx documentation, that will still be up for the developers making the changes.20:32
atiwariredrobot, order api doc will be soon obsoleted20:32
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atiwariI think that need some work20:32
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redrobotyes, we definitely want to document all the work you and others have done20:33
redrobotatiwari it would be good for you to chime in on the doc CRs from Constanze20:33
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atiwariok20:33
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malinihow about adding doc bugs so such things can be tracked and if possible even fixed20:34
redrobotmalini I like that idea20:34
atiwarimalini, +120:34
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woodster_that seems like a good way to track things20:35
redrobot#agreed known documentation problems should be filed as bugs20:36
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redrobotatiwari can you add a bug for fixing the orders documentation.  We'll want to fix it in the docbook source.20:37
atiwariredrobot, I will do20:37
redrobotok, moving on guys20:38
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redrobot#topic Remove custom auth façade from python-barbicanclient20:39
*** openstack changes topic to "Remove custom auth façade from python-barbicanclient (Meeting topic: barbican)"20:39
redrobotthis one is woodster_'s   go head.20:39
woodster_I was just pointed out that we have added to that juno roadmap discussion20:40
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woodster_...just wanted folks to be aware of the changes. That barbicanclient task was added today.20:41
woodster_Keystone has recently made a lot of headway on making auth components we can use in barbican client.20:41
woodster_So no need for us to make custom one-offs in barbican.20:41
woodster_That could clean up the code quite a bit.20:41
redrobotyep... i think that once we get rm_work's patches merged, the auth layer in barbicanclient will be the last major change so we can release a client 3.020:41
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rm_workwhat is the priority on client work right now?20:42
redrobotrm_work highest priority is getting stuff needed for the RCs and Juno final for Barbican proper20:42
redrobotsince we don't control that20:42
rm_workright20:43
rm_workso, still "lowish"?20:43
rm_workI am holding off on bothering you guys about client stuff until I get the go-ahead that most of the other bits are cleared20:43
woodster_lowesque20:43
rm_work(to some degree, obviously not ENTIRELY)20:43
redrobotyeah... I want to target barbicanclient 3.0 for the same day as Juno final, but I'm ok with pushing the client by a few days20:43
rm_workkk20:43
rm_workI'm doing some rework to try to deal with your objections redrobot20:44
rm_workI20:44
rm_workI'll bring it up again in a few days20:44
redrobotrm_work <320:44
rm_workor next week20:44
rm_workredrobot: don't <3 yet, you haven't seen it :P20:44
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rm_workI didn't say "caving in" :)20:44
woodster_frienemies!20:45
rm_workI enjoy our banter. Anyway, we can move on I think20:45
redrobotok, moving on20:45
rm_workUnless there was something else woodster_ had on the subject?20:45
redrobot#topic Kilo Design Summit etherpad20:46
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redrobot#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-kilo-design-sessions20:46
woodster_not really, I would ask that folks re-review that etherpad for items that might have slipped in there since you last looked....20:46
woodster_So even more stuff has been getting added to the kilo etherpad...please review/add as you see fit20:47
woodster_I've been trying to go thru my old notes to pull out items that would be good to tackle in the run up to (hopeful) integration in Kilo.20:47
redrobotIt's looking like we'll be plenty busy for the entire Summit...  There's a ton of stuff there to keep us busy.20:48
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redrobotand I'm looking at the action items from last week and totally slacked off on them20:48
woodster_yeah, at some point we'll probably want to vote on that most important ones for Kilo20:48
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maliniQuota  management is necessary for VM instance launch, storage (block and object), networking .. is there some common oslo support that Barbican can leverage20:49
woodster_I'd just ask that folks add their names to the etherpad (on the right)20:49
redrobotso I still don't know how many sessions we'll be having.  I think we will be getting a table/hub like last time, so that will be awesome.20:49
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redrobotmalini that's a good point.  We should definitely go into these discussions thinking about reusing what other OS projects have done.20:51
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redrobotany more questions comments on this?20:53
redrobotWe only have one more item in the agenda, but I don't think we'll have time to discuss it here.20:53
redrobotso take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118697/ and discuss on the review.20:54
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redrobotok then, thanks for joining us, everyone!20:56
redrobot#endmeeting20:57
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