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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 13:01:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:01 |
| baoli | Hi, there | 13:01 |
| irenab | Hi | 13:02 |
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| heyongli | hi | 13:03 |
| heyongli | thank your hard work, baoli | 13:03 |
| rpothier | hi | 13:03 |
| baoli | So we made it by the end of last Friday | 13:03 |
| heyongli | congratulation, every one | 13:04 |
| irenab | baoli: Great news! | 13:04 |
| baoli | yes indeed. | 13:05 |
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| baoli | Thanks everyone for helping out | 13:05 |
| irenab | so now we should focus on testing and fixeng bugs | 13:06 |
| baoli | Irenab, this morning, one of my coworkers run into problems with n1kv neutron plugin. Due to vnic_type not being set, he couldn't bring up VMs. | 13:06 |
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| irenab | baoli: is there any open bug for this, to look for details? | 13:07 |
| baoli | I remember that we require that neutron plugins set the vnic_type for each port. | 13:07 |
| baoli | irenab, not yet. | 13:07 |
| irenab | if not set, its normal | 13:08 |
| baoli | the question is we should open a bug for nova or for neutron, which depends on the question if every port should have an explicit vnic_type. | 13:08 |
| irenab | is it for plugin or Ml2 Mechanism Driver? | 13:08 |
| baoli | irenab, this is a monolithic plugin. | 13:09 |
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| irenab | For my understanding it should not be a problem, if vnic_type not set, it assumes normal. And for Monolitic Plugin there are no options for different vnic_types, right? | 13:09 |
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| irenab | baoli: we can try to troubleshoot it offiline | 13:10 |
| BrianB_ | baoli, monolithic is being depericated | 13:10 |
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| baoli | BrianB_, so n1kv monolithic plugin will be depreicated? | 13:11 |
| BrianB_ | baoli, yes | 13:11 |
| baoli | Brian | 13:11 |
| baoli | BrianB_, cool. | 13:11 |
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| heyongli | irenab, i recall you had a etherpad for next step, i cant find it, could you paste a link again? | 13:12 |
| baoli | Irenab, itzik contacted me last week. Does he still have the problem? | 13:13 |
| baoli | Irenab, please open a bug if it's still an issue. | 13:13 |
| irenab | heyongli: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo_sriov_pci_passthrough | 13:14 |
| heyongli | thanks | 13:14 |
| irenab | baoli: seems that macvtap is not working for hw_veb | 13:14 |
| irenab | TRACE nova.compute.manager mlibvirtError: unsupported configuration: an interface of type 'direct' is requesting a vlan tag, but that is not supported for this type of connection | 13:15 |
| irenab | heyongli: did you test this? | 13:15 |
| irenab | We have created wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SR-IOV-Passthrough-For-Networking | 13:16 |
| heyongli | not yet, i foucs other thing, i will check this | 13:16 |
| irenab | for general overview, nova and neutron configs | 13:16 |
| heyongli | great | 13:17 |
| baoli | irenab, that's cool | 13:17 |
| irenab | currently covers hw_veb MD, since cisco MD is not merged yet | 13:17 |
| irenab | Please, review and update | 13:17 |
| baoli | irenab, please open a bug to track that issue, then. | 13:17 |
| irenab | baoli: sure, will do | 13:18 |
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| irenab | baoli: you mentioned resize operation. Should it work? | 13:18 |
| heyongli | it's buggy now | 13:18 |
| heyongli | i will open bug if there is not | 13:19 |
| baoli | heyongli, did you try it with the officail juno ? | 13:19 |
| irenab | heyongli: should it ever work if required rescheduling to some other node? | 13:19 |
| baoli | heyongli, I opened a bug for it already. | 13:19 |
| heyongli | cool | 13:19 |
| heyongli | it's now work for a while | 13:19 |
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| irenab | heyongli: for both resize on same Server and another Server? | 13:20 |
| baoli | heyongli, you mean it used to work for a while? | 13:20 |
| heyongli | yeah, i remember , long time ago, it's work | 13:20 |
| heyongli | resize to another server is lack of testing | 13:21 |
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| irenab | I think if there are some limitation for certain operations, it should be documented | 13:22 |
| baoli | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1368201 | 13:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1368201 in nova "resize with PCI devices doesn't work" [Low,Confirmed] | 13:22 |
| irenab | baoli: thanks | 13:22 |
| heyongli | boali, got it | 13:23 |
| baoli | it took me a couple of days to test it, and in the process my compute node was hosed, | 13:23 |
| baoli | And it took me a while to figure out what's wrong and recover it. Still I need to make a little change in the nova code to make it work again. | 13:24 |
| heyongli | sorry for that, i check our internal ci find it not work, according our meeting ar | 13:24 |
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| irenab | baoli: Did you test it on same Server or between two Servers? | 13:24 |
| baoli | For some reason, libvirt doesn't like the memballoon config in the domain xml although it has the same libvirt version as other servers in our lab. | 13:25 |
| baoli | irenab, I have one compute node only. | 13:25 |
| heyongli | i suspect it broken for a while, during icehouse, pci is stuck | 13:25 |
| irenab | I am not sure it will work between nodes by design, but aso do not hve setup for now... | 13:27 |
| baoli | would 'resize' move VMs across nodes? It's basically a cold migration with different flavor. | 13:28 |
| irenab | another question regarding documentation in openstack admin guides | 13:28 |
| heyongli | irenab, between servers , i need check the design, | 13:28 |
| irenab | is there a documentation bug for this? | 13:28 |
| baoli | irenab, that's right. We should open one for it. | 13:28 |
| baoli | irenab, maybe the wiki should suffice? | 13:29 |
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| irenab | baoli: can you please open one for nova and 'll proceed with one for neutron | 13:29 |
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| irenab | baoli: not sure, how is it for general PCI? | 13:29 |
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| heyongli | between servers? irenab | 13:30 |
| baoli | heyongli, do we have admin doc for general PCI? | 13:30 |
| heyongli | i and yunhong not write the doc | 13:30 |
| heyongli | we just setup a wiki | 13:31 |
| irenab | heyongli: queocumentation | 13:31 |
| irenab | The question if we need to make it part of openstack admin guide | 13:31 |
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| heyongli | it should | 13:32 |
| baoli | who usually write the text for the admin doc? | 13:33 |
| heyongli | some people focus on documetation | 13:33 |
| baoli | I mean it's the developer or do we have tec writer for it? | 13:33 |
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| heyongli | most doc might not wirte by dev, but just guess | 13:33 |
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| irenab | I think that the developer of the feature, but tech writer reviews | 13:34 |
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| irenab | at least it was so for vnic_type that I added in Icehouse | 13:34 |
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| baoli | irenab, did you add it to the neutron admin doc? | 13:34 |
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| irenab | it was added to API Reference doc | 13:35 |
| baoli | but you did it yourself? | 13:35 |
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| irenab | The neutron doc guru (emagana) contacted me then to handle this | 13:35 |
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| baoli | so you came up with the text, and the doc guru added it. | 13:36 |
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| irenab | baoli: no, did the writing and patch for documentation | 13:36 |
| irenab | by myself | 13:36 |
| baoli | irenab, ok. I think the doc bugs may follow similar processes as bug fixes. | 13:37 |
| irenab | once you add DocImpact in the patch commit, it opens documentation bug | 13:37 |
| baoli | irenab, no one has asked about a DocImpact during the code review | 13:37 |
| heyongli | should we open a doc bug now? | 13:38 |
| irenab | yes, but probably need to open documentation bug anyway | 13:38 |
| baoli | So if we ever do this for nova, we need something for pci passthrough, and one section in it for sr-iov | 13:39 |
| irenab | baoli: +1 | 13:39 |
| heyongli | agree | 13:39 |
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| baoli | shall we just open a bug for it now, and whoever has bandwidth can start working on it? | 13:41 |
| irenab | baoli: Yes | 13:42 |
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| baoli | #note open a admin doc bug for PCI-passthrough and sr-iov | 13:43 |
| irenab | Did you have a chance to look at the ehterpad for kilo features? | 13:43 |
| baoli | ok, let's move on to kilo list | 13:43 |
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| baoli | I did. And I think it's a very good list. | 13:44 |
| baoli | Let's add the 'resize' thing in the list too. | 13:44 |
| itzikb | Hi, I have 2 questions regarding pci_passthrough_whitelist | 13:45 |
| heyongli | i can not access the etherpad from home | 13:45 |
| baoli | Another thing is that let's put them in two categories: one for nova, one for neutron, to make it clear. It seems that the majority work will be in Nova | 13:45 |
| heyongli | and nova will enter tick toke mode, will it impact it? | 13:46 |
| irenab | baoli: we can add 'project' for each item. | 13:46 |
| baoli | ireanb, that sounds good | 13:46 |
| irenab | baoli: I'll update | 13:46 |
| baoli | heyongli, what is tick toke mode? | 13:46 |
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| irenab | Lets try for next week to focus on setting priority for each task | 13:47 |
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| heyongli | in one release nova might foucus on bug fix, limit the feature merge, will it be perform right now, i'm not sure | 13:47 |
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| baoli | heyongli, ok | 13:48 |
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| irenab | heyongli: I think we can prioritize and see if need Spec/Bug. Then depending on general nova development in Kilo, we caneither push it further or wait | 13:48 |
| baoli | irenab, yes, let's do that next meeting. | 13:49 |
| baoli | We can discuss existing bugs, and then go over the list | 13:49 |
| irenab | baoli: agree | 13:49 |
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| irenab | Do you think we will need some design session at November Summit? | 13:50 |
| baoli | irenab, I think so with the first several items on the list | 13:51 |
| irenab | Then we need to hurry and discuss it asap to make some proposal before November | 13:51 |
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| irenab | Are you going to make it to Paris? | 13:52 |
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| baoli | irenab, I just need to get the visa, everything else is all set. | 13:52 |
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| irenab | baoli: great | 13:53 |
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| heyongli | i afraid can not go | 13:54 |
| heyongli | some one else should be ther | 13:54 |
| baoli | irenab, I guess you are going too, right? | 13:54 |
| irenab | baoli: yes, still need to close travel logistics | 13:55 |
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| irenab | heyongli: Sorry you won't be there | 13:56 |
| heyongli | me too | 13:56 |
| baoli | heyongli, I guess it's not because of visa, right? | 13:56 |
| heyongli | one of our guy should be there | 13:56 |
| heyongli | no | 13:56 |
| heyongli | baoli | 13:57 |
| heyongli | usally we sent local guy go to meeting | 13:57 |
| heyongli | attach port to vm seems kind of hotplug | 13:57 |
| baoli | Hopefully, next time it's going to Beijing or Shanghai | 13:58 |
| irenab | heyongli: exactly | 13:58 |
| heyongli | that's great ,but china have hongkong already | 13:58 |
| irenab | so let's come prepared for next week with items for kilo. | 13:59 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:59 |
| baoli | yep | 13:59 |
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| irenab | See you next week, have to switch to other meeting | 14:00 |
| baoli | I'll open the admin doc bug, and check Irenab's wiki. | 14:00 |
| heyongli | see you | 14:00 |
| irenab | baoli: Thanks! | 14:00 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 14:00:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-09-16-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-09-16-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-09-16-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
| irenab | We will open bug for macvtap and do more testing | 14:00 |
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| baoli | irenab, cool, thanks | 14:01 |
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| sc68cal | Hello all | 15:00 |
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| xuhanp | hello | 15:00 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 15:01:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 15:01 |
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| sc68cal | We were able to classify the bug for allowing dhcpv6 traffic through and get the fix merged | 15:03 |
| sc68cal | If there are any other high priority bugs and fixes please let me know so we can tag them for RC1 | 15:03 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, thanks for talking to the cores about that bug. | 15:03 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: no problem, happy to do so | 15:05 |
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| sc68cal | is anyone else online? | 15:08 |
| haleyb | i'm watching with one eye | 15:08 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, should we start to talk about IPv6 next steps? K is coming soon. | 15:08 |
| xuhanp | I remember we have some mid/long term goals. | 15:09 |
| xuhanp | since short term is being accomplished. | 15:09 |
| sc68cal | I think that is a good conversation to have, maybe at the summit? | 15:09 |
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| xuhanp | sure. | 15:10 |
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| aveiga | has the K process opened yet? | 15:10 |
| haleyb | xuhanp: make sure it's on the etherpad too | 15:10 |
| xuhanp | yep. | 15:10 |
| xuhanp | not sure about the K process | 15:11 |
| sc68cal | I am not sure either | 15:12 |
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| sc68cal | Do we have any other high priority bugs? | 15:13 |
| xuhanp | I still want to discuss the arping bug but I can wait for open discussion | 15:14 |
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| sc68cal | Feel free to discuss, agenda is light today | 15:15 |
| xuhanp | OK. | 15:15 |
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| xuhanp | After some hints by Carl, there are 3 places which sends garp for L3 HA | 15:15 |
| xuhanp | 1. Floating IP 2. internal router interface 3. external gateway | 15:16 |
| xuhanp | for 1 and 2 we won't need unsolicited NA as we discussed before. | 15:16 |
| xuhanp | 1. don't need for IPv6. 2 covered by RA from RADVD. | 15:16 |
| xuhanp | but I think we still need unsolicited NA for external gateway. | 15:17 |
| xuhanp | since there is no existing tool cross platform to send NA. I am thinking of sending it by neutron code. | 15:17 |
| xuhanp | anyone has experience doing that so I can get some clues? | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | scapy | 15:18 |
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| sc68cal | good python lib for doing packet manipulation | 15:18 |
| aveiga | xuhanp: shouldn't it be the external gateway's responsibility? | 15:19 |
| sc68cal | the only issue is handling privilege escalation? | 15:19 |
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| xuhanp | aveiga, by external gateway I mean qg-XXX device to send out NA to notify external routers | 15:19 |
| aveiga | ah, ok | 15:19 |
| xuhanp | in current L3 code, if keepalived is configured, it's taken cared by keepalived | 15:20 |
| xuhanp | but garp is used when HA is not enabled. | 15:20 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, I am thinking to construct a NA package actually | 15:21 |
| xuhanp | like aveiga mentioned before for RA | 15:21 |
| sc68cal | package or packet | 15:21 |
| xuhanp | maybe message? | 15:21 |
| xuhanp | neighbor advertisement message | 15:22 |
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| sc68cal | right - and scapy is a packet mainpulation lib, might have the ability to create those packets instead of building from scratch | 15:22 |
| xuhanp | Ok. I will look into that. | 15:22 |
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| xuhanp | looks like IPv6 is it's on-going development | 15:23 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, if you don't have other things on the agenda, I am going to drop :-) | 15:33 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: agree, if there is nothing else do discuss we will give everyone back 30 minutes | 15:34 |
| sc68cal | going once.... | 15:34 |
| sc68cal | going twice.... | 15:35 |
| sc68cal | OK everyone, same time next week! | 15:35 |
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| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 15:35:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-09-16-15.01.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-09-16-15.01.txt | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-09-16-15.01.log.html | 15:35 |
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| ruhe | anyone here for murano meeting? | 17:03 |
| ankurrr | I am | 17:03 |
| ankurrr | I believe sjmc7 is as well | 17:03 |
| sjmc7 | hello! | 17:04 |
| dteselkin_ | o/ | 17:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | hi | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | serg will not be able to attend the meeting | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 17:04:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:04 |
| sjmc7 | welcome to the states, ruhe :) | 17:04 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: thanks! | 17:04 |
| sjmc7 | weird to be doing this at a reasonable time of day? | 17:04 |
| ruhe | yeah. it feels kind of strange | 17:05 |
| ruhe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:05 |
| ruhe | not much for the agenda | 17:05 |
| ruhe | would someone like a new item before we begin? | 17:06 |
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| sjmc7 | i would like to apologize for our lack of involvement recently | 17:06 |
| sjmc7 | while we've been getting things ready for an internal release | 17:06 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: no worries. we (mirantis) also had been occupied with internal stuff recently. we'll all start with fresh ideas in Kilo | 17:08 |
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| sjmc7 | so no real items, other than the things we've filed as bugs around configuration of networks | 17:08 |
| ruhe | ok | 17:09 |
| ruhe | #topic action items review | 17:09 |
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| ruhe | #info katyafervent closed all doc related bugs and moved that info into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-docs | 17:09 |
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| ruhe | and we still have a plenty of time to improve the documentation :) | 17:09 |
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| sjmc7 | our docs team is going to start soon on murano | 17:10 |
| ruhe | woohoo. sometimes, when i read the docs we write, i see traces of ruglish language | 17:11 |
| sjmc7 | :D | 17:11 |
| ruhe | there were no more action items in the previous meeting | 17:11 |
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| ruhe | #topic status of juno rc-1 in murano | 17:12 |
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| ruhe | #link https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 17:12 |
| ruhe | afaik recommended day for rc1 release is sep25 | 17:13 |
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| ruhe | tnurlygayanov files several bugs recently. i didn't have time to triage them yet, but from a quick look it seems that some of them are actually bugs in packages, not in murano itself | 17:14 |
| ruhe | s/files/filed | 17:14 |
| baoli | dansmith: I figured out the pep8 versus py27 failures. There was a mock patch in test_host_manager.py that needs to be removed. | 17:15 |
| dansmith | baoli: wrong window? | 17:15 |
| baoli | dansmith, sorry. | 17:15 |
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| ruhe | we still have bugs to fix, let's try our best | 17:16 |
| ruhe | speaking of blueprints... | 17:16 |
| ruhe | the only one i'd like to merge in juno is disk-imagebuilder elements for agent | 17:16 |
| ruhe | what do you guys think about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/auth-for-long-running-requests ? | 17:17 |
| sjmc7 | stan was working on trusts | 17:17 |
| sjmc7 | i think angus was giving him a hand | 17:17 |
| ruhe | yep | 17:18 |
| stanlagun | the commit if fully functional. What is left is to split it onto 2 commits | 17:18 |
| sjmc7 | i think it needs doing. as well as keystonev3 | 17:18 |
| sjmc7 | needs finishing | 17:19 |
| ruhe | from one perspective, this feature will be "experimental" and disabled by default. on the other hand, we have only 10 days left | 17:19 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 17:19 |
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| ruhe | stanlagun: do you think it will not affect any of the existing code? | 17:19 |
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| stanlagun | ruhe: I tows affects existing code. But I'm 90% sure that there will be no problems at least with trusts turned off which is the default | 17:21 |
| stanlagun | I also tested it manually and it worked just fine | 17:21 |
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| ruhe | stanlagun: can you also give a rough estimate on when this BP will be done (like split patch in 2, maybe smth else)? | 17:21 |
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| stanlagun | I'll split it today. Nothing else left to do AFAIK | 17:22 |
| stanlagun | Just note that trusts require Heat Juno | 17:22 |
| ruhe | yeah, that's a fair requirement | 17:22 |
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| ruhe | we're targeting juno anyway | 17:23 |
| ruhe | let's set deadlines. i suggest Monday. it should be merged not later than Monday. any other suggestions for deadlines? | 17:24 |
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| stanlagun | That implies that you need to review it :) | 17:25 |
| ruhe | stanlagun: shure! | 17:25 |
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| ruhe | angus and sjmc7 are the ones who have expertise in this area. it'll be important to get reviews from them | 17:26 |
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| sjmc7 | nudge nudge | 17:26 |
| sjmc7 | hint hint | 17:26 |
| sjmc7 | will do | 17:26 |
| ruhe | :) | 17:26 |
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| ruhe | anything else to discuss in this topic? | 17:27 |
| ruhe | ok then. let's move on | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | #topic juno documentation progress | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-docs | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | i think we can skip this | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | we've already discussed docs | 17:28 |
| ruhe | unless | 17:29 |
| ruhe | unless something :) | 17:29 |
| ruhe | #topic open discussion | 17:30 |
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| ruhe | as usual, let's wait 3 minutes for ideas to come up before closing the meeting | 17:31 |
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| ruhe | thanks everyone | 17:35 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: have a safe trip | 17:35 |
| ruhe | #endmeeting | 17:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 17:35:17 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-09-16-17.04.html | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-09-16-17.04.txt | 17:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-09-16-17.04.log.html | 17:35 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting | 22:00 |
| openstack | devkulkarni: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 22:00 |
| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 22:00:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-09-16_2200_UTC | 22:00 |
| devkulkarni | our agenda ^^ | 22:00 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 22:00 |
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| james_li | James Li | 22:00 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 22:00 |
| PaulCzar | o/ | 22:00 |
| ravips | Ravi Sankar Penta | 22:01 |
| dimtruck | Dimitry Ushakov | 22:01 |
| devkulkarni | lets give few minutes for folks to chime in | 22:01 |
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| devkulkarni | Anyone else who would like to be recorded in attendance, please chime in at any time. | 22:02 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 22:02 |
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| devkulkarni | Anyone has any announcements for the team? | 22:03 |
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| devkulkarni | okay. lets move on to the next topic. | 22:04 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Review Action Items | 22:04 |
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| devkulkarni | I remember there was one action item for adrian_otto to send out a poll for discussing CAMP | 22:05 |
| devkulkarni | I haven't seen that email. So that will be carried to the next meeting | 22:05 |
| devkulkarni | any other action item that any of you remember of? | 22:05 |
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| devkulkarni | okay.. if you remember anything please feel free to bring it up in the open discussion session | 22:06 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic BP/Task Review | 22:06 |
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| devkulkarni | So I have two things listed for us to discuss.. | 22:07 |
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| devkulkarni | First is wsgi related bug. | 22:07 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck recently identified that Solum API will hang if we make requests to the root resource for all HTTP methods except GET | 22:08 |
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| devkulkarni | please take a moment to read through the bug description and the comments | 22:08 |
| james_li | devananda: link? | 22:08 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1367470 | 22:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367470 in solum "Solum api hangs on non GET root requests" [Undecided,New] | 22:08 |
| dimtruck | correct - the issue is due to wsgiref module that we depend on for simple_server | 22:09 |
| dimtruck | we utilize this module in api and, i believe, shell | 22:09 |
| dimtruck | builder* | 22:09 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck, PaulCzar: how do you want us to proceed on this bug? | 22:09 |
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| devkulkarni | dimtruck: thanks for summarizing | 22:10 |
| devkulkarni | so what are our options? | 22:10 |
| dimtruck | we discussed using mod_wsgi module in apache | 22:10 |
| dimtruck | apparently, there's a precidence in keystone | 22:11 |
| dimtruck | so we can piggy back on their implementation | 22:11 |
| dimtruck | another option to use a different wsgi server implementation - but i'm not sure what is available in that space | 22:11 |
| devkulkarni | how would it work in our devstack and tempest setup | 22:11 |
| PaulCzar | dimtruck: yeah that's what I would like to do. I'm not sure how they handle it in the gate etc | 22:11 |
| PaulCzar | but we can investigate and figure it out | 22:11 |
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| dimtruck | right | 22:11 |
| dimtruck | we'd have to spin up apache with that mod in a pre_test_hook in tempest | 22:12 |
| devkulkarni | okay.. so apart from Keystone way is there any other way? | 22:12 |
| PaulCzar | dimtruck: is way smarter than those keystone guys, so he will have no trouble making it work | 22:12 |
| PaulCzar | ;) | 22:12 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: do you want to take this up for investigation? | 22:13 |
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| dimtruck | yes sir | 22:13 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 22:13 |
| dimtruck | PaulCzar: ha! | 22:13 |
| PaulCzar | dimtruck: happy to help with it if you want | 22:13 |
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| ravips | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/WSME supports Multi-protocol : REST+Json, REST+XML, SOAP, ExtDirect and more to come | 22:13 |
| devkulkarni | ravips what are your thoughts? | 22:13 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: did you get a chance to look at the bug? | 22:14 |
| ravips | do we have feature parity with apache mod_wsgi ? | 22:14 |
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| devkulkarni | not sure I understand the question.. feature parity of solum with mod_wsgi or feature parity of wsme with mod_wsgi? | 22:14 |
| ravips | understood at the high level..just worried that switching | 22:15 |
| dimtruck | we don't really use wsgiref outside of simple_server but that's definitely an investigation we'd need to make | 22:15 |
| ravips | to other tool might have some other issues | 22:15 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: yes, that is a valid concern | 22:15 |
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| devkulkarni | does anybody know what do other projects do? has anybody else ran into this issue? | 22:15 |
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| dimtruck | we already have a dependency on wsme | 22:16 |
| ravips | i meant feature parity of wsme with mod_wsgi | 22:16 |
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| dimtruck | so this is definitely a possibility | 22:16 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck, what is definitely a possibility? | 22:17 |
| dimtruck | ravips: not sure at this time | 22:17 |
| dimtruck | just replacing wsgiref with wsme | 22:17 |
| devkulkarni | ah okay. | 22:17 |
| dimtruck | since dependency is already there in solum | 22:17 |
| devkulkarni | so basically that is the other option | 22:17 |
| PaulCzar | is we already have a dependency on wsme then that sounds like an easy(ish) win | 22:17 |
| ravips | do we know of any workaround with wsme for this issue? | 22:17 |
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| devkulkarni | we switch the server | 22:17 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: good question. | 22:18 |
| dimtruck | we'll need to test it out | 22:18 |
| dimtruck | PaulCzar and I can take that action item, devkulkarni | 22:18 |
| devkulkarni | dimtruck: awesome !! was just about to ask that.. | 22:18 |
| dimtruck | (since he volunteered to help :) ) | 22:18 |
| devkulkarni | #action dimtruck (with help from PaulCzar) will investigate using wsme | 22:19 |
| devkulkarni | okay.. moving on | 22:19 |
| devkulkarni | The next thing I had was PaulCzar's CoreOS patch.. but | 22:19 |
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| devkulkarni | since we have ravips and PaulCzar here, should we discuss about the private github repo patch first (or instead)? | 22:20 |
| PaulCzar | yeah lets cover that first as its more pressing | 22:20 |
| devkulkarni | okay.. | 22:20 |
| ravips | sure | 22:20 |
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| devkulkarni | so PaulCzar, could you please update us on the latest for this patch? | 22:20 |
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| PaulCzar | I did all the rebasing yesterday which was quite a task in itself and then with some help from dimtruck this morning managed to figure my way through a few bugs in the barbican calls | 22:21 |
| PaulCzar | got all the tests ( unit and functional ) passing locally ( devstack/trusty ) | 22:21 |
| devkulkarni | thanks for pushing that patch forward PaulCzar | 22:21 |
| PaulCzar | but we have a voting gate on f20 | 22:22 |
| ravips | thanks Paul and Dimitry | 22:22 |
| PaulCzar | and barbican doesn't test at all against f20 | 22:22 |
| devkulkarni | hmm.. so does that mean we are stuck until barbican starts testing with f20. | 22:22 |
| devkulkarni | ? | 22:22 |
| PaulCzar | so I propose that we switch our voting functional tests to the trusty test | 22:22 |
| PaulCzar | and move f20 to non-voting | 22:22 |
| ravips | I was able to run barbican on F20 before and gate-solum-devstack-dsvm-f20 passed just before I left for vacation...not sure what got changed after that | 22:22 |
| devkulkarni | oh okay.. | 22:23 |
| PaulCzar | and have a followup for somebody to work with barbican to get the f20 tests working | 22:23 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: do you want to investigate that a bit now? | 22:23 |
| ravips | yeah, I need sometime..at least a day to look at our changes and any new barbican changes | 22:23 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: seems like a good middle ground approach.. | 22:23 |
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| devkulkarni | ravips: okay, makes sense. | 22:24 |
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| ravips | then we can decide whether to make f20 gate voting or non-voting ..thats my opinion | 22:24 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: do you think you might be looking at this immediately? | 22:24 |
| ravips | yes | 22:24 |
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| devkulkarni | ravips: I agree. | 22:24 |
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| PaulCzar | if somebody can remind me of the location of the infra config stuff that sets which gates are voting I can prepare a review to switch it out | 22:24 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: cool. awesome!! | 22:24 |
| PaulCzar | that way we have both options in flight | 22:25 |
| dimtruck | PaulCzar: it's in zuul | 22:25 |
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| dimtruck | i'm looking for the yaml file | 22:25 |
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| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: I suggest we wait for ravips's investigation | 22:25 |
| clarkb | PaulCzar: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/zuul/layout.yaml | 22:25 |
| devkulkarni | thanks clarkb | 22:26 |
| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: I'm okay with that. I just don't want to sit on this for too long or we risk a painful rebase again | 22:26 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: fair enough | 22:26 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: what are your thoughts? | 22:26 |
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| ravips | I agree with Paul, rebase is painful and I have experienced that before | 22:26 |
| ravips | lets wait for a day and either we can make f20 gate non-voting or will fix the issue | 22:27 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: yes.. I meant whether to make f20 non-voting will be based on outcome of your investigation | 22:27 |
| PaulCzar | given that ubuntu is the primary OS choice for openstack I think it makes sense for that to be our main gate | 22:27 |
| devkulkarni | okay | 22:27 |
| devkulkarni | lets wait for a day and then we can take a decision | 22:27 |
| PaulCzar | okay. We'll make a call thursday morning ? | 22:27 |
| devkulkarni | ravips, is it okay for me to tag an action for you to do the investigation? | 22:27 |
| ravips | sounds good to me | 22:27 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: sounds good | 22:27 |
| devkulkarni | #action ravips will investigate f20 gate for failing barbican tests and come back with a suggestion for whether to make f20 non-voting | 22:28 |
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| devkulkarni | cool | 22:28 |
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| devkulkarni | so the next one on my agenda was the CoreOS patch by PaulCzar | 22:29 |
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| devkulkarni | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102646/ | 22:29 |
| PaulCzar | background... | 22:29 |
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| PaulCzar | the initial implementation of the VM based stuff was to use DIB and/or DIB + app injection at build time | 22:30 |
| PaulCzar | this is an expensive and insecure operation ( root! ) and not a lot of fun | 22:30 |
| PaulCzar | this implementation throws that out and uses docker to build and deploy the application ( much like we do with docker based ) and then deploy a VM running coreos which starts that docker image up on boot. | 22:31 |
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| PaulCzar | Initial implementation utilizes the docker registry, but we should be able to switch across to pull from glance like the docker driver does | 22:32 |
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| devkulkarni | how does heat know the image to use has CoreOs on it? | 22:32 |
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| devkulkarni | does operator configure heat for this? | 22:32 |
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| ravips | PaulCzar: why to run docker inside the VM..to run the app as non root user? | 22:33 |
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| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: right now it expects there to be an image with the name of 'coreos' and expects the operator to have already uploaded that to glance ( we do this in devstack ) | 22:33 |
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| PaulCzar | ravips: so that docker is our only artifact format | 22:33 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: oh okay | 22:33 |
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| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: longer term we should allow the operator to specify and image uuid to use in the solum.conf | 22:34 |
| devkulkarni | uniformity argument | 22:34 |
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| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: makes sense | 22:34 |
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| devkulkarni | so looks like all the gates are happy for it | 22:34 |
| devkulkarni | all you need is reviews | 22:34 |
| PaulCzar | ravips: it also allows the possibility for us to down the track utilize a container schedulure like fleet/mesos/kubernetes to be able to pack more than one container into a VM | 22:35 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: mind taking a look at it? | 22:35 |
| devkulkarni | whenever you get a chance | 22:35 |
| PaulCzar | which I think will be important for multitenant openstacks | 22:35 |
| ravips | this approach doesn't need root privileges to run the app? | 22:35 |
| ravips | sure, I will review it | 22:35 |
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| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: +1 for making Solum compatible with container scheduling systems that are coming up | 22:36 |
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| PaulCzar | ravips: correct, docker daemon runs with root privileges on the VM ... but the app can be started with any user inside the container. When docker lands user namespaces, then root in the container will not be root outside the container | 22:36 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: so what user it will be in case of Solum? | 22:37 |
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| devkulkarni | the Solum admin user working on behalf of the tenant? | 22:37 |
| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: a non openstack user ... just some random user defined in the container | 22:37 |
| PaulCzar | tbd | 22:37 |
| devkulkarni | okay. | 22:37 |
| ravips | that makes sense | 22:38 |
| PaulCzar | user security is still up in the air in the docker ecosystem ... so we should just keep it lightweight and evolve with it | 22:38 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: do give feedback on that patch if you have any (thanks for looking at it) | 22:38 |
| ravips | will do | 22:38 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: makes sense | 22:38 |
| devkulkarni | okay.. | 22:38 |
| devkulkarni | so apart from that I don't have anything for the BP/Task Review | 22:39 |
| devkulkarni | anyone has anything to discuss? if not, we can move to the open discussion | 22:39 |
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| PaulCzar | any outstanding specs ? | 22:39 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: good point | 22:39 |
| devkulkarni | lets take a look | 22:40 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+solum-specs,n,z | 22:40 |
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| devkulkarni | why is the 'friendliness' spec not merged yet? | 22:40 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: the deployment agent spec.. is the CoreOS patch the code for that spec? | 22:41 |
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| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: there's a few comments from pierre that I just saw that I need to address | 22:41 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: you want to take care of the suggestions by Pierre on the friendliness spec sometime soon? | 22:41 |
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| devkulkarni | cool | 22:41 |
| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: on the deployment agent spec ... is just a brain dump of some thoughts on how we could interact with schedulers on the host vms | 22:42 |
| PaulCzar | it would build on top of the core patch | 22:42 |
| PaulCzar | coreos | 22:42 |
| devkulkarni | so its scope is broader than the core os patch | 22:42 |
| devkulkarni | okay.. | 22:42 |
| PaulCzar | correct | 22:43 |
| devkulkarni | anything else? | 22:43 |
| devkulkarni | if not lets go to open discussion and continue | 22:43 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Open Discussion | 22:43 |
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| devkulkarni | So I have two topics.. | 22:43 |
| devkulkarni | first is converting our bash scripts to Python | 22:43 |
| devkulkarni | ravips, PaulCzar: what are your thoughts on this? where should we start? | 22:44 |
| ravips | lets summarize the benefits by converting bash scripts to python..what do we gain by doing this change | 22:45 |
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| devkulkarni | we get better error logging, testing of the code | 22:45 |
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| ravips | stacktrace yes | 22:46 |
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| PaulCzar | ravips: low hanging fruits we get to use the same tooling ( oslo-logs etc ) rather than trying to recreate them in shell | 22:46 |
| devkulkarni | may be not everything needs to be converted to Python | 22:46 |
| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: +1 | 22:46 |
| PaulCzar | items in the common function ( such as logging ) would be a good start | 22:46 |
| ravips | ok, if we decide to move to python..we should do it sooner, our bash scripts are expanding and it will be huge task later on | 22:47 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: apart from stacktrace, don't you think we will get other benefits? | 22:48 |
| ravips | slight overhead | 22:48 |
| dimtruck | ravips: +1 on doing it sooner | 22:49 |
| devkulkarni | ravips:? | 22:49 |
| PaulCzar | +2 on doing it sooner | 22:49 |
| ravips | that was -ve point | 22:49 |
| devkulkarni | +2 to sooner | 22:50 |
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| devkulkarni | we will need a well thought out approach for going about this | 22:50 |
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| PaulCzar | We can utilize it as a way to formalize the LP handler ( random name I'm giving to contrib/lp-cedarish, contrib/lp-dockerfile ) and a contract between Solum and the Handler | 22:51 |
| devkulkarni | we can start small.. may be with the common functions that PaulCzar mentioned | 22:51 |
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| PaulCzar | by moving all the common stuff to python in solum and leave the low-level stuff in the LP handler | 22:51 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: yes! | 22:51 |
| ravips | +1 | 22:51 |
| PaulCzar | as bash or python or powershell | 22:51 |
| devkulkarni | we need a somewhat formalized contract between Solum and the language packs | 22:51 |
| PaulCzar | POWERSHELL WAS A JOKE <--- to anyone reading the transcript later :P | 22:52 |
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| devkulkarni | the contract needs to be such that it allows us to use heroku style buildpacks and cloudfoundry style buildpacks within solum | 22:52 |
| devkulkarni | 7 minute warning. | 22:53 |
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| PaulCzar | correct. so we define the inputs and outputs to each of the following ( example ) test, build, [release?], [deploy?] | 22:53 |
| devkulkarni | so I guess we generally agree on converting bash scripts to Python. | 22:54 |
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| devkulkarni | about the contract — I don't think we will have it in a single iteratino | 22:54 |
| devkulkarni | iteration | 22:54 |
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| devkulkarni | but we can start on it.. | 22:54 |
| PaulCzar | devkulkarni: I agree, keep it loose and tighten it up as we go | 22:55 |
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| devkulkarni | we can stop if there is nothing else (we can take the remaining item on the open discussion to the next meeting) | 22:55 |
| devkulkarni | PaulCzar: +1 | 22:56 |
| devkulkarni | okay then.. thanks all for joining us. see you next week. | 22:56 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 22:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 22:56:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-16-22.00.html | 22:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-16-22.00.txt | 22:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-16-22.00.log.html | 22:56 |
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