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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting Nova | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 18 14:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| ndipanov | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:00 |
| dansmith | gurgle | 14:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | uh oh, merman in the room | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Juno RC1 | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno RC1 (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:00 | |
| johnthetubaguy | hello all | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we are adding bugs to rc1 for everything we feel must be in juno | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/046115.html | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | above is the email from mikal on the subject | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, do people have questions about this phase? | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | or any bugs that people want to talk about? | 14:02 |
| ndipanov | yeah was a bit confused about Critical | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: confused, as in why only critical bugs? | 14:02 |
| ndipanov | but I assume anything that we can reasonably fix is fair game - and we will only delay the RC1 for critical stuff | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 14:02 |
| ndipanov | okay | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | this is, what ttx will look at to decide when to pull the release trigger | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can merge other stuff in the mean time | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but the word of caution is, if the gates jammed, then we might have to change our plans there | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: that make more sense? | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, the other thing… I don't think all critical should block rc1 | 14:03 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, yeah - the gate's been kind afaict these last few days | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: most of the critical bugs don't have owners | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean, if its affecting the gate, its going to hurt some people after release, and we should probably backport, but maybe not delay the release | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: right, thats thats the next bit | 14:04 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ok, so I'm keen to listen on it :) | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, who is happy to step up for these rc1 bugs | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | and which of those do we really need to block the release | 14:05 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's my question | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help we have critical bugs tagged for juno-rc1 with no owners, we need people to take these on | 14:06 |
| dansmith | I've been trying to reprodcuce 1323658, but I really don't want to "own" it until I feel like I can do anything about it :/ | 14:06 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: if we identify them as critical, then they're blockers | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: OK, understood, I mean I wonder about a part time owner so others don't duplicate the repo effort, but I get your point | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, next question | 14:06 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: well, there's nothing to duplicate now, and parallelism is probably good right now :/ | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we can't fix these quickly, should they block rc1? | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: fair point | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | how bad are they really...? | 14:07 |
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| * dansmith looks | 14:08 | |
| dansmith | ndipanov: is 1369945 really invalid? | 14:08 |
| dansmith | if so, we should untarget it | 14:08 |
| ndipanov | dansmith, yeah see danpb 's comment | 14:08 |
| dansmith | can you untarget it then? | 14:08 |
| ndipanov | dansmith, done | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks | 14:08 |
| dansmith | 1370068 seems like a good one to fix | 14:09 |
| dansmith | ndipanov: have you looked at that? it's assigned to someone else | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, we an probably do this offline if thats a better use of peoples time? but certainly worth raising critical stuff | 14:09 |
| dansmith | well, | 14:09 |
| dansmith | after a quick skim, there are definitely some in there that seem blockerish, | 14:09 |
| dansmith | but if we've been working on them for months already, like the resize with neutron thing, | 14:10 |
| dansmith | blocking the release until we figure it out is probably not a reasonable thing to do | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we want to make 1370068 critical? | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: right thats my thinking too, sadly | 14:10 |
| dansmith | yeah, sad indeed :( | 14:10 |
| baoli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121939/ needs another +2 | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I wish I knew if all the "in progress" has patches up | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I should check that | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess its the confirmed ones, with no one assigned that worry me more | 14:11 |
| ndipanov | dansmith, yeah - +2'd the fix | 14:11 |
| ndipanov | dansmith, feel free to join in on that :) | 14:12 |
| dansmith | ndipanov: link? | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: I see quite a few libvirt related things, are they all stuff you want to block the release on? | 14:12 |
| ndipanov | dansmith, um it's in the bug no? | 14:12 |
| ndipanov | https://review.openstack.org/121887 | 14:12 |
| dansmith | ndipanov: yeah, I'd moved on | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, anyways, help getting this list in order would be awesome, feel free to make your case in bug comments if you like | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well we kinda flogged that horse already | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | but | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link http://54.201.139.117/nova-bugs.html | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | usual tools help, lets try catch any release blockers we haven't spotted in the pile, if possible | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Gate status | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hows things? | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | ssh failures, wsgi worker timeouts, etc | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are gate related bugs without owners it seems | 14:14 |
| mriedem | same old | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, no specifics this week I guess? | 14:14 |
| ndipanov | mriedem, who is looking into that wsgi thing? | 14:14 |
| ndipanov | jaypipes? | 14:15 |
| dansmith | yeah and sdague | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Nova)" | 14:15 | |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics | 14:15 |
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| danpb | johnthetubaguy: which bugs ? i've not really considered any blockers myself - so any proposed were by someone else | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: just looking at the juno-rc1 page, and seeing numa stuff, etc, targeted at RC-1, I was more checking to see if there are any other that need to blocks, and trying to get help clearing out the blocker list | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the link, please submit ideas for summit sessions | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was an email, tagged with [all] about the process | 14:16 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: do you have any idea of what will consist Day 4 ? | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if there is nothing else, we can go back to reviewing, bug fixing, and triage | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: do you mean the meet up style bit? | 14:17 |
| bauzas | Day 2 and Day 3 are covered by the ethperad | 14:17 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yup | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I think the plan is to extract the big themes from that etherpad, and discuss "big issues", like at the mid-cycle | 14:17 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: because IIUC, the etherpad will allow us to define which sessions to run by the day 2 and 3 | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I thought it was going to do both | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ok, so I assume it's just the format which will change then | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: meaning it will timeslots for the first 2 days and then a meetup for the day 4 | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: right thats correct | 14:19 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ack | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | there will probably be a meetup etherpad eventually, but lets just gather everything in one place for now | 14:19 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: sure thanks | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | then we look at what really needs a meetup thing, like "project priorities" etc | 14:20 |
| adrian_otto | looks complete from my perspective | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, appreciate the extra attention on that etherpad | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | are we all done? | 14:20 |
| dansmith | wait | 14:20 |
| dansmith | <baoli> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121939/ needs another +2 | 14:20 |
| dansmith | someone please +W that ^ | 14:20 |
| dansmith | it's easy and important | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, I can take a look in a sec | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any more? | 14:21 |
| mriedem | dansmith: i'm reviewing it now | 14:21 |
| dansmith | thanks | 14:21 |
| baoli | mriedem, thanks | 14:21 |
| baoli | dansmith: thanks | 14:22 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: go | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, all done | 14:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | code change looks good, just a bit of the tests looks a bit too relaxed | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, we are done | 14:22 |
| adrian_otto | that was short and sweet | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:22 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 18 14:22:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-09-18-14.00.html | 14:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-09-18-14.00.txt | 14:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-09-18-14.00.log.html | 14:22 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 18 15:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| rushil | Hi | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:00 |
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| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| vvechkanov1 | Hi) | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
| scottda | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | so we've still have bugs :-( | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | I'm going to start with those | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic bugs | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | I see 5 still open | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | lgreg: ping | 15:02 |
| bswartz | vvechkanov1's 2 bugs have open reviews | 15:02 |
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| rushil | bswartz: lgreg is not on the channel | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | I see | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | deepak isn't here either | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | anyways this is a reminder that we've got just 1 week until RC1 | 15:03 |
| bswartz | top priority is closing out these 5 bugs | 15:03 |
| bswartz | does anyone have any bugs that aren't on this list that should be? | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: there are new bugs,but scheduled for kilo | 15:04 |
| bswartz | we can still target bugs to rc1 if they need to be | 15:04 |
| bswartz | at this point it has to be critical or super low risk though | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | I'll ping deepak and greg as soon as I see them | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:05 |
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| vponomaryov | Dev status for last week: | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | 1) Fixed ubuntu image for Manila according to bug: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1370216 | 15:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370216 in manila "Samba not configured to use registry configuration" [Undecided,Fix released] | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Several bugfixes to Generic and NetApp cmode drivers were commited | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Other attempts were directed to testing and bugfixing, available for review: | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 3.1) #link https://review.openstack.org/119621 | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | 3.2) #link https://review.openstack.org/122399 | 15:06 |
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| vponomaryov | that's the main | 15:06 |
| bswartz | k I need to review those | 15:06 |
| bswartz | thanks | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | (3.2) will be updated with unittests | 15:07 |
| bswartz | okay on to the fun stuff | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #topic paris design summit | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "paris design summit (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:07 | |
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| bswartz | so those of you who read the ML may have noticed that we won't be using summit.openstack.org to plan the design summit | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | the new format is to have the various teams organize their design summit topic on etherpads | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | There is an etherpad specifically for manila | 15:09 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-manila-summit-topics | 15:10 |
| bswartz | And I got things started by dumping all of my ideas onto the etherpad | 15:10 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: do you know how much time we will get for the design summit? number of sessions? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I don't want to monopolize the time with my topics, but I wanted to present a format and get things started | 15:10 |
| bswartz | xyang1: still no idea | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | but there will be "pods" for each project team and we'll get one of our own so we can have practically unlimited time to talk among ourselves | 15:11 |
| lgreg_1 | bswartz: here…. | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | lgreg_1: hey we missed you on the bugs topic | 15:11 |
| lgreg_1 | bswartz: apologies, on other call | 15:12 |
| bswartz | lgreg_1: I'll sync up with you on the status of the 2 netapp driver bugs | 15:12 |
| bswartz | I think it's still to early to worry about how to cram the topics into a fixed amount of time | 15:12 |
| bswartz | right now I'd rather be brainstorming cool stuff to work on so we can pick the best ones for the public forum | 15:13 |
| lgreg_1 | bswartz: ok, will catch up | 15:13 |
| bswartz | I'd rather have the problem of too many cool ideas and not enough time rather than too much time and not enough cool ideas | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | ofc we'll need to spend some time of boring stuff | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | hey vponomaryov, vvechkanov1, will you guys be able to come to the summit? | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: unfortunately, I guess no | 15:16 |
| bswartz | :-( | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | I hope you can get Mirantis to reconsider -- it would be great to have you there | 15:17 |
| bswartz | xyang1: is it safe to assume you're coming? | 15:17 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: yes | 15:17 |
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| * bswartz would love to have the whole core team in 1 place | 15:17 | |
| bswartz | anyways, any questions on the summit or the etherpad? | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: what do we plan to be integrated with HEAT project? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: a plugin to heat so that heat templates can invoke manla | 15:18 |
| bswartz | manila* | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | #topic incubation update | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "incubation update (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:19 | |
| nileshb | any plan on integrating with Sahara? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | nileshb: I don't have any -- please suggest it if you do | 15:20 |
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| nileshb | ok sure | 15:20 |
| bswartz | so the current word from infra is that the stackforge/manila->openstack/manila rename is happening tomorrow at 20:30 UTC | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I'm going to be online at that time to help out if things go badly | 15:20 |
| bswartz | there are SO MANY places where stackforge/manila appears in the code | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I worry that it will take a while to get them all | 15:21 |
| bswartz | and get things stabilized | 15:21 |
| bswartz | so we can make RC1 next week | 15:21 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: we are just changing the location, but not the program name itself, correct? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | yeah it's just to reflect that we're now incubated | 15:22 |
| bswartz | nothing else changes | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | but sadly I do expect things to break so any help would be appreciated when it comes to fixing them | 15:23 |
| lgreg_1 | bswartz: I'll assist if needed. | 15:23 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | okay anyone have anything else | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: I wanted to ask you about CI since I've been looking at Manila CI | 15:24 |
| bswartz | xyang1: are you responsible for the emc cinder ci? | 15:24 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: sure | 15:24 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: yes | 15:24 |
| bswartz | and have you given any thought to how you'd do it for manila? | 15:24 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: I saw you asked for an CI account for NetApp manila driver. we are planning for it too | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I want to setup something similar in kilo, and I've been hacking to see what's possible | 15:25 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: any dates? | 15:25 |
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| xyang1 | a date will help us planning | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | hmm | 15:25 |
| bswartz | my goal is to have something running before juno releases | 15:26 |
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| xyang1 | the naming is tricky too | 15:26 |
| bswartz | but I don't expect other to do the same | 15:26 |
| xyang1 | Juno? | 15:26 |
| xyang1 | 10/16? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | that's my goal -- maybe I'm crazy | 15:26 |
| xyang1 | that will be too soon for us:) | 15:26 |
| xyang1 | we have emc-vnx-ci for cinder | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | yeah I think the goal for the team should be to have things working by end of kilo | 15:27 |
| xyang1 | so I don't know how to name it for manila | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: there's no reason you couldn't use the same CI account for 2 projects | 15:27 |
| xyang1 | when I asked for CI account, they didn't want to include cinder in name | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | in my case I'm trying not to distract the guys working on the cinder CI so I asked for a second account | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: project names can be changed | 15:27 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: they are triggered by cinder commits now | 15:27 |
| bswartz | long term though we want to merge it back to 1 account | 15:27 |
| xyang1 | I don't know what it means to run both | 15:28 |
| xyang1 | CI in cinder runs tests for Cinder, CI in manila runs tests in manila | 15:28 |
| bswartz | xyang1: "Jenkins" is one account that runs on all projects -- it just knows to invoke different tests | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | emc-vnx-ci can do what jenkins does and run on more than 1 project | 15:28 |
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| xyang1 | maybe it is ok | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | it's not a high priority | 15:29 |
| xyang1 | but it is already overwhelming to handle the number of commits in Cinder | 15:29 |
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| xyang1 | we can only handle about 20 commits a day | 15:29 |
| xyang1 | given the infra we have today | 15:29 |
| bswartz | manila should be lower volume than cinder | 15:29 |
| bswartz | also we have less tests | 15:30 |
| xyang1 | yes | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | that's something I want to change, but that's a separate topic | 15:30 |
| bswartz | it sounds like nobody has anything else | 15:30 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:30 |
| rushil | thanks | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 15:30 |
| xyang1 | thanks | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 18 15:31:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-09-18-15.00.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-09-18-15.00.txt | 15:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-09-18-15.00.log.html | 15:31 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 18 17:00:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack security group)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | roll call - hi guys :) | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | \o/ | 17:00 |
| sarnold007 | hi | 17:00 |
| shohel02 | hi | 17:00 |
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| sicarie | o/ | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | hey chair6 - welcome | 17:01 |
| chair6 | hai | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | ok, Agenda for today... | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | OSSN status | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | I'd like tkelsey to talk about RPC security when he joins | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Recap of the actions from last meeting | 17:02 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | hey all, sorry im late | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | hey bknudson tkelsey | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | No nkinder or bdpayne | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | ok, lets take a look at the OSSN | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | yeah nkinder said he'd be gone | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | so we've got a few out since last week | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | OSSN-0020, OSN-0026 | 17:04 |
| sicarie | I have an OSSN I think is almost ready | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | from Priti and Tim | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn >- still got three listed as New | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | OSSN-27 i think | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | +2'd 27 a few minutes ago iirc | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | oh, 27? | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | sorry, 26 was mine | 17:05 |
| sicarie | OSSN-0025 --> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117928/ | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | shohel02: did yours get published? | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | yeah OSSN27 has merged and Rob just +2 OSSN29 | 17:05 |
| shohel02 | I think mine one OSSN-0024 almost ready | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | ok, let's go sequentially to make sure we aren't missing any | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security_Notes | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | I guess they're all done except those mentioned | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | so shohel02: what do you need? | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | reviews? | 17:07 |
| shohel02 | it has gone through quite lot of review | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | ok: 24 is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114460/ | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | feedback welcome | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | shohel02: it's probably mostly done | 17:07 |
| shohel02 | should be | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | #action tkelsey and sicarie please review OSSN-024 | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | ok will do | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | 25: sicarie | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117928/ | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | I'm guessing 28 is nkinder's | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | 29 is tkelsey's new one | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | that's almost done too | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah Tim's is looking good | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yeah, that should be ready | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | it got +1 from me and +2 from you | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | Mr. Payne | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Great, we'll get bdp or nk to have a look | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | how's the backlog looking? | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | 3 marked as 'new' - should be assigned to people | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | looks like there are 3 if anybody wants to pick some up | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | hey guys, sorry I'm late | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | wootles! welcome! | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | allright | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | ok great so next on the agenda? bdpayne I see I'm still getting spammed with doc changes! | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | chair6: Bandit update? | 17:13 |
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| bdpayne | yep, doc is moving along | 17:14 |
| bdpayne | still plenty of tickets to address, if people want to help out :-) | 17:14 |
| chair6 | bandit.. neeaaarly a stackforge project | 17:14 |
| chair6 | actually, already is at this point | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | chair6: congratulations! | 17:14 |
| chair6 | waiting on https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1370204 now so we can actually +2 changes through gerrit | 17:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370204 in openstack-ci "Initial Gerrit group member for stackforge/bandit" [Wishlist,In progress] | 17:15 |
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| chair6 | but we're there.. | 17:15 |
| chair6 | #link https://github.com/stackforge/bandit | 17:15 |
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| bdpayne | nice! | 17:15 |
| bknudson | do we have an example report? | 17:15 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: I'll put one up on pastebin | 17:16 |
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| chair6 | they're very easily generated, depending on what you want it for | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/bandit/ - congrats :D | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | So you're using gerrit etc from now on? | 17:17 |
| chair6 | yup, that's the plan | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Hooray! | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Well done chair6 tmcpeak | 17:18 |
| chair6 | i'm going to make me, tmcpeak, and nkinder the initial bandit-core members with +2 rights | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: I noticed a few vuln reports from you recently - any from bandit? | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | thank you! | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yeah, all from Bandit | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | I'm hoping to get a CVE out of at least one of them | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Superb. | 17:19 |
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| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/bandit,n,z | 17:19 |
| bknudson | there's already a review | 17:19 |
| shohel02 | great tmcpeak and chair6 | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | This really is a cool tool | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | Great thing to come out of the OSSG | 17:20 |
| chair6 | yep bknudson, that's the last step in getting it all gerrit-enabled | 17:20 |
| chair6 | now we just gotta keep it somewhat stable, and build more tests :) | 17:20 |
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| bknudson | is there a quick summary of what it checks for already? | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Should have a wiki page | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Would be nice | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, we're way behind on documentation for it | 17:21 |
| chair6 | seventh:plugins finnigaj$ grep 'def ' * | 17:21 |
| chair6 | blacklist_calls.py:def blacklist_functions(context, config): | 17:21 |
| chair6 | blacklist_calls.py:def _get_tuple_for_item(blacklist_object): | 17:21 |
| chair6 | blacklist_imports.py:def blacklist_imports(context, config): | 17:21 |
| chair6 | blacklist_imports.py:def _get_tuple_for_item(blacklist_object): | 17:21 |
| chair6 | crypto_random.py:def random_lib_calls(context): | 17:21 |
| chair6 | crypto_random.py:def random_lib_imports(context): | 17:21 |
| chair6 | crypto_request_no_cert_validation.py:def request_with_no_cert_validation(context): | 17:21 |
| bknudson | I'd think the generated docs would have a page for each of the plugins / tests. | 17:21 |
| chair6 | general_bad_file_permissions.py:def set_bad_file_permissions(context): | 17:21 |
| chair6 | general_bind_all_interfaces.py:def hardcoded_bind_all_interfaces(context): | 17:21 |
| chair6 | general_hardcoded_password.py:def hardcoded_password(context, config): | 17:21 |
| chair6 | general_hardcoded_tmp.py:def hardcoded_tmp_directory(context): | 17:21 |
| chair6 | injection_shell.py:def subprocess_popen_with_shell_equals_true(context): | 17:22 |
| chair6 | injection_shell.py:def any_other_function_with_shell_equals_true(context): | 17:22 |
| chair6 | injection_sql.py:def hardcoded_sql_expressions(context): | 17:22 |
| chair6 | injection_wildcard.py:def linux_commands_wildcard_injection(context): | 17:22 |
| chair6 | ^ those are the tests we currently have defined | 17:22 |
| chair6 | documentation definitely needs work, auto-gen would be very nice to have | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | Nice set, does that cover all the ones we came up with at the meet? | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: mostly | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | XFlag use of shell=True - have a working prototype of this | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | XFlag overly generous file permissions (rxwrxwrxw,777 etc) -Â have a working prototype of this | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | XFlag use of poor crypto primatives - we need to identify what are "poor" crypto primatives | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | XFlag use of potentially dangerous libraries / trusted interactions cPickle etc - Pickle would be a good start, the issue is determining whether input has been sanitiized/is trusted | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | Flag direct use of SQL statements (SQLAlchemy should be) | 17:23 |
| bknudson | I hope there's a check for using eval() | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: there is | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | I found a few eval bugs and filed them with bandit | 17:23 |
| chair6 | #action chair6 to create wiki page for bandit | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | http://pastebin.com/5YSmNW6W | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | there's a sample output from running against cinder | 17:26 |
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| bknudson | lots of hits! | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | yea | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | so we have profiles | 17:26 |
| bknudson | "Chmod setting a permissive mask 0666 on file (path)." !!! ?? | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | if you aren't interested in seeing certain types of tests, you can exclude those | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Would be good, when working through results, to work out some idea of the number of false positives | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | you can also group by the type of issue | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | rather than the file/linenumber where the issue was found | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | For a whole project thats actually not many results | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yeah, so I haven't seen many false positives | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:27 |
| bknudson | we just ran a code scan using Yasca or RATS or something. | 17:27 |
| chair6 | depends on how you define 'false positive', i guess :) | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | what we see are a lot of hits in "test" | 17:27 |
| bknudson | and this output looks pretty similar | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | We also need a way to track whats been submitted perhaps - I can see _lots_ of repeated bug reports in the coming months | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: how so? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yeah, good point | 17:28 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: so one example is "Random library should not be used for any security or cryptographic purposes" -- RATS also complains about that. | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | LP does a reasonable jub of deduping | 17:28 |
| chair6 | trying to consider that when setting the severity level for each test .. if the test is likely to generate false positives, it should probably flag issues as INFO or WARN | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: ahhh | 17:28 |
| bknudson | I assume we'll want to flag whatever it complains about as "safe" with some explanation | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah: you can't see it in the paste, but there are levels of these | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | which are color coded | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | in the actual output blue is info, yellow is warning, red is error | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | and you can filter | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | so if you want to run a scan and only show errors, there is a command line option for that | 17:30 |
| chair6 | the readme at https://github.com/stackforge/bandit is a little outdated but does address some of this, worth a quick read | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: that chmod 0o666 one I filed :) | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | I went through and ran against all projects and shotgun filed a bunch of bugs a few days ago | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | I'm on a quest for a CVE | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | and I'm lazy | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | hence Bandit | 17:33 |
| bknudson | let's get the easy ones out of the way. | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | yarp | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak | so even with Bandit | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | some analysis has to be done afterwards | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | no way to automate that yet | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | but it does make it easier to know where to look | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | For sure | 17:34 |
| bknudson | if we've got unsafe libraries, maybe we develop safe versions of them | 17:34 |
| bknudson | for example, if subprocess is unsafe, we develop a subprocess that doesn't allow unsafe stuff | 17:35 |
| bknudson | not sure if that's possible | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, in that case it's mostly just the shell injection problem | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | running with shell=True | 17:35 |
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| tmcpeak | parameterize the input and you're usually ok | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | and rootwrap if used correctly can help | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | I still find rootwrap quite scary | 17:36 |
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| tmcpeak | it's better than inline sudo | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | at least you have the option to filter | 17:36 |
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| tmcpeak | allright so yeah | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | everybody please give Bandit a spin if you have the chance | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | hopefully we'll be in Stackforge soon | 17:37 |
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| tmcpeak | new tests are definitely needed | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | and if you have any thoughts on how to make it better please drop me a line | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Or a CR :) | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | or that ;) | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | that's probably enough on Bandit for today | 17:38 |
| shohel02 | tmcpeak: do you have scan result for each project some where | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | shohel02: no, that would be a good idea to have | 17:39 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, whats next to talk about? | 17:40 |
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| bknudson | once it's in infra we should be able to do a check experimental to generate it | 17:40 |
| shohel02 | i can talk about threat analysis | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | please do :) | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | ls | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | haha oops | 17:41 |
| shohel02 | we have a skeleton doc / folder for Gerrit review | 17:42 |
| shohel02 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121034/ | 17:42 |
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| shohel02 | i think its best to go with markdown format at this stage | 17:42 |
| bknudson | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/34/121034/1/check/gate-security-doc-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/d9f278e/publish-docs/security-guide/content/index.html | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | MD is easy enough I think | 17:43 |
| shohel02 | yes .. its easy to review and modify ... not much additional syntax | 17:43 |
| shohel02 | i am looking for review.. | 17:44 |
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| shohel02 | if successfully done, we can start towards adding analysis report | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | So Andreas left some comments | 17:44 |
| shohel02 | yes.. mainly style issue | 17:45 |
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| shohel02 | content is review is something we are looking for | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, I can take a look at that | 17:46 |
| shohel02 | thanks :) | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121034/ | 17:47 |
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| shohel02 | thats all for now | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | Great, any more for any more? | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Ah yes - whats going on with RPC // Kite tkelsey ? | 17:50 |
| tkelsey | hey, so I can talk about Kite/Secure RPC | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Please do :) | 17:50 |
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| tkelsey | there is a review in progress for a plugin framework for oslo.messaging that allows message level security | 17:51 |
| tkelsey | and a plugin for using kite to implement that | 17:51 |
| tkelsey | i'll dig up the link | 17:51 |
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| tkelsey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109806/ | 17:52 |
| tkelsey | any input on that would be awesome of course :-) | 17:53 |
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| hyakuhei | So I saw some discussion of moving where encryption happens? | 17:54 |
| tkelsey | oh, in kite? | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | I think so | 17:54 |
| tkelsey | humm, I must have missed that, that on dev? | 17:54 |
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| hyakuhei | Upshot was Jamie is away for a month and more input from Simmo required | 17:54 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok I'll forward you the mail that's confusing me | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | I think that's everything | 17:55 |
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| tkelsey | ah yeah that stuff, sorry, yeah so Jamie has been working from the kite side of things. I am coming from the messaging side and we meet in the middle at python-kiteclient | 17:56 |
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| tkelsey | Jamie is out for a month or as you say, but I can still push on with the message side. Would love to hear from Simmo of course | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | Ok great! Keep us posted please :) | 17:57 |
| tkelsey | will do | 17:57 |
| chair6 | action completed.. | 17:57 |
| chair6 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Projects/Bandit | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:58 |
| tkelsey | nice ! | 17:58 |
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| hyakuhei | Great work today, make sure you hit those actions P) | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 18 17:59:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-09-18-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-09-18-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-09-18-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | laters! | 17:59 |
| bknudson | thanks | 17:59 |
| tkelsey | thanks all, good meeting | 17:59 |
| shohel02 | thanks | 17:59 |
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| alazarev | hey Sahara guys! | 18:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 18:01 |
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| aignatov | o/ | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 18:01 |
| alazarev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 18 18:01:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alazarev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:01 |
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| alazarev | I’ll chair the meeting again | 18:02 |
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| alazarev | ErikB, NikitaKonovalov, RobLevas, SergeyLukjanov, aignatov, alazarev, bob_nettleton, crobertsrh, dmitryme, elmiko, jspeidel, mattf, skostiuchenko, sreshetnyak, tellesnobrega, themistymay, tmckay, tosky, ylobankov: meeting time | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ | 18:02 |
| tosky | hihi | 18:02 |
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| alazarev | tosky: hihi is a giggling in Russian :) | 18:03 |
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| alazarev | ok, let’s start | 18:04 |
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| * SergeyLukjanov in CA till October 11 | 18:04 | |
| alazarev | #topic sahara@horizon status (croberts, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:04 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | ok | 18:04 |
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| alazarev | I have one horizon bug merged | 18:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | So we still have a number of bug fixes on review | 18:05 |
| crobertsrh | I've just mostly been testing things. alazarev found a bug this morning, but it looks like there is already a patch in queue for it | 18:05 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | some reviewers asked me to add test to Templates copying | 18:05 |
| alazarev | two are waiting for new python client which is released, change to requirements: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121942/ | 18:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so I'm working on that | 18:06 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: should we ping requirements guys somehow? | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, I'll do it | 18:07 |
| alazarev | also, we should merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118885/ asap | 18:07 |
| alazarev | sahara is useless without it | 18:08 |
| crobertsrh | Yes, I'll see if I can get some horizon interest in reviewing it | 18:08 |
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| alazarev | ok, let’s move on | 18:08 |
| alazarev | #topic News / updates | 18:08 |
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| elmiko | i've been looking at saharaclient and going through the documentation, i think we have room for improvement over what is documented. i'm going to write up either a bug report or propose a spec surrounding how saharaclient authenticates | 18:10 |
| alazarev | from me it is just minor fixes, testing | 18:10 |
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| aignatov | I’ve returned back from PTO this week, promis to complete my patch for updating rest api docs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118499/ | 18:11 |
| elmiko | also, i'm thinking about looking into this https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1319079 | 18:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1319079 in sahara "[HDP] Threads do not depend on the state of the cluster" [High,Confirmed] | 18:11 |
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| alazarev | elmiko: it will require major changes in hdp plugin, probably too late for J | 18:11 |
| elmiko | alazarev: oh, ok. maybe i'll look at something smaller. | 18:12 |
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| aignatov | agree with alazarev | 18:12 |
| alazarev | elmiko: K will be opened soon :) | 18:12 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, I'm staring to look at various sahara bugs as well. It's been forever since I was in that code, so I'm starting small. | 18:12 |
| elmiko | alazarev: ok, i can just keeping working towards K then | 18:13 |
| alazarev | other news? | 18:13 |
| alazarev | no action items from the last meeting | 18:14 |
| crobertsrh | No news from me. I've been doing some thinking on a new UI workflow, but that is for K | 18:14 |
| aignatov | when is a release dates/plans? | 18:14 |
| alazarev | #topic Juno status and FFEs (SergeyLukjanov) | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 18:15 |
| alazarev | aignatov: good topic for answer :) | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the rc1 will be next week | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, now is the good time to concentrate on fixing bugs | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | release is Oct 16 | 18:16 |
| aignatov | are we ready for that, all features already landed? | 18:16 |
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| crobertsrh | Congratulations btw @SergeyLukjanov! | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | no more FFEs | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, thx! | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, I think mostly all work done | 18:16 |
| elmiko | swift-auth is merged to Sahara, we just need to get this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118972/ and the ui portion merged | 18:16 |
| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: except my patch for updating docs I guess | 18:16 |
| DinaBelova | crobertsrh, and me, and me :) | 18:16 |
| crobertsrh | Ah yes...of course DinaBelova! I didn't see you there :) | 18:17 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov, DinaBelova, grats to both =) | 18:17 |
| crobertsrh | I figured that Sergey was really the luckier one though, right?? | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please, stop approving any features, refactoring and etc. | 18:17 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:17 |
| DinaBelova | thanks :) ok /me does not ruin this meeting anymore | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | that's all from me re releasing | 18:18 |
| tmckay | oops, forgot | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any q.? | 18:18 |
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| alazarev | it looks like no questions | 18:19 |
| alazarev | #topic Open discussion | 18:19 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: I want to discuss pylint stuff with you, but since you are in US now we can do it personally | 18:20 |
| elmiko | i've been researching creating a swagger spec for Sahara's rest interface, has there been any work done on deriving the rest api using scripting tools? | 18:20 |
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| tosky | there is review which introduces tempest-style tests, but it was temporarily blocked; will it go into K at this point? | 18:21 |
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| aignatov | swagger spec? what is it? | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, yup, let's talk today | 18:22 |
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| dmitryme | hey folks, I’ve noticed that our Upgrade Guide is missing notice that there is no more sahara-dashboard and it is merged into Horizon. Does anybody is working on a patch to add this? If not, I can write this up | 18:22 |
| elmiko | aignatov: https://github.com/wordnik/swagger-spec it's a language agnostic way to describe rest apis, there is some great tooling that can use the spec. i think it would be nice for Sahara. | 18:23 |
| aignatov | dmitryme: sounds like a good plan if’ll do this :) | 18:23 |
| aignatov | *if you’ll do this :) | 18:23 |
| elmiko | dmitryme: ++ | 18:23 |
| alazarev | dmitryme: +1 | 18:23 |
| dmitryme | ok folks, will do this | 18:23 |
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| aignatov | elmiko: how can we apply that if it’s not openstack related initiative? | 18:24 |
| elmiko | aignatov: also, look at this http://petstore.swagger.wordnik.com/ to see one way of using the swagger spec. that page is generated by a swagger-server, i think it would be cool to have something like sahara-docs that could spawn this. | 18:24 |
| elmiko | aignatov: i propose initially writing a tool that would parse the sahara.api module to generate the spec. | 18:25 |
| elmiko | perhaps if we can show the power of it we could convince other openstack projects to generate interest | 18:25 |
| crobertsrh | Seems like it should be simple enough to do. The output is potentially very useful. | 18:25 |
| elmiko | most of our json validation schemas alread conform to the standard, i think it would easy to derive the endpoints with validation info. | 18:26 |
| elmiko | *already | 18:26 |
| alazarev | elmiko: I like it, but don’t think it will be easy get it adopted by openstack comunity | 18:26 |
| elmiko | alazarev: maybe not, but we could generate our scripts outside of openstack. if it got accepted at some point, great, but if not we could provide another methodology for users to explore Sahara. | 18:27 |
| elmiko | at this point, i look at the effort as a user-contrib style project | 18:28 |
| alazarev | elmiko: openstack will never take scala solution :) | 18:28 |
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| elmiko | i had heard that there might have been some work to help auto-generate our api docs, is that the case? | 18:29 |
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| elmiko | alazarev: there are python bindings too | 18:29 |
| alazarev | anything else to discuss? | 18:30 |
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| alazarev | ok, thank you folks! | 18:30 |
| alazarev | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 18 18:30:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-09-18-18.01.html | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-09-18-18.01.txt | 18:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-09-18-18.01.log.html | 18:30 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 18 19:00:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Roll Call | 19:00 |
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| malini | o/ | 19:00 |
| catherine | o/ | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | hi everyone! | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | who else here for Poppy? | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | megan and guimarin cant make it today | 19:01 |
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| obulpathi | o/ | 19:01 |
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| tonytan4ever | Howdy | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, lets get started.... | 19:01 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Review Last Weeks Items | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link: Last Week: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-09-11-19.00.html | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | amitgandhinz to investigate MaxCDN CDN Manager API for master/sub accounts | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | so i still havent done that =/ | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz to investigate MaxCDN CDN Manager API for master/sub accounts | 19:03 |
| obulpathi | hi dhellmann_ | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi to keep bugging the atlanta openstack meetup organizers to get on the schedule | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | any progress on that? | 19:03 |
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| obulpathi | today is the OpenStack meetup | 19:03 |
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| obulpathi | I am going to talk to the organizers and get the talk organised | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | have you managed to contact dhellmann regarding getting on the schedule? | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | #action obulpathi to keep bugging the atlanta openstack meetup organizers to get on the schedule | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | ok thats it from last weeks items | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Updates on Blueprints | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | create-service is now in review right? | 19:05 |
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| tonytan4ever | Yes | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | updated | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | get-service ? | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: ^ | 19:05 |
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| tonytan4ever | That one is in good progress, I am about to roll out a PR for that in today. | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | started or good progress or slow progress? | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | oooh cool | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: health endpoint? | 19:06 |
| obulpathi | its in final review | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:07 |
| obulpathi | addressed Yours and Tonys comments .. now waiting for final review | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | any other bp's in progress? | 19:07 |
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| obulpathi | can we add the mockcassandra as a blueprint | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | yes, please register it obulpathi | 19:07 |
| obulpathi | initially I thought its plug and play .. . | 19:08 |
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| obulpathi | but we need change the functionality quite a bit .. | 19:08 |
| obulpathi | because its written in 2010 .. | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | functionality of mock cassandra right? | 19:08 |
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| obulpathi | we need to change the implementation to meet the changes in cassandra | 19:08 |
| obulpathi | yes | 19:08 |
| obulpathi | ok, I wil lregister | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | ok cool, thanks | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | I will register a delete-service afterwards, and I will pick it up sometime next week. | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | there alread is a delete-service bp there | 19:09 |
| obulpathi | can I take up one the service tasks? | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | Oh ok. | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: definately | 19:10 |
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| tonytan4ever | Yeah, list-services is up for grab. | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | cool .. ok | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | there is list, also purge | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | will take it up | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | and patch | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic new items | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | nothing was on the agenda here. i think everyone has been busy getting the existing endpoints and functionality implemented | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | so moving on... | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussin | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | first one here is from me | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | ive been thinking about how we do the consumption of logs from the cdn providers | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | the initial thoughts were to have api endpoints to provision log sinks from cdn providers | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | eg they send logs to S3, FTP, Swift, etc and operators would configure that through an api | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | then i thought, does it even need to be done through the api. since operators will have relationships with those providers | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | should they just do it external to poppy | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | so poppy doesnt concern itself with log collection, and metering | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | thats up to the operators to do | 19:14 |
| obulpathi | agreed+1 | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | +1 on that. | 19:15 |
| obulpathi | even the log formats and storages are widely different | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | poppy can concern itself with presenting analytics that are aggregated from the logs though | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | so if operators want to use that, they build their own aggregation tool (hadoop, or whatever) and feed the data back into the poppy datastore in aggregated form | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | poppy then has api's to query that aggregated data | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | thus providing poppy users with the useful analytics they desire | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | thoughts? | 19:16 |
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| obulpathi | Good idea | 19:16 |
| obulpathi | It also keeps the product lean | 19:16 |
| tonytan4ever | Sounds good to me. We just need to define a standard data format feed to poppy. | 19:16 |
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| malini | amitgandhinz: does that mean poppy will defined standard metrics? | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: +1 | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: yes | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | poppy would define that we store analytics data in this format | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | operators do whatever they want to get their logs into that format | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | poppy queries that data and returns the json to the user | 19:17 |
| malini | what value do we add by providing an API to query this data? | 19:17 |
| malini | I am assuming there will be tons of tools out there that can better dice & visualize this data | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | users can bind stats calls to this endpoints, dsahboards can visualize it in graphs etc | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | CDN is all about distributing the data | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | so if we provide this info, it gives useful info the end users of poppy how the content is being consumed | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | CDN users want to know how their cdn is doing - cache hits/misses, bandwidth, etc | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | yes | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | we wouldnt allow users to create their own queries though | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | we would define endpoints such as GET /stats/cachehits | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | or GET /stats/bandwidth | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | etc | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | so its well defined, subset of all the data we aggregate | 19:19 |
| tonytan4ever | I think it's better to at least allow user to specify of a time window. | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | agreed | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | time window, marker/limit | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | we may also decide (or let operator decide) the ttl of records in teh datastore | 19:20 |
| malini | To make sure I understand it right - Providers will send the data they have in poppy specific format & poppy will return this data back via API? | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | so that it doesnt grow crazy big | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | providers will send logs to a location. operators will ingest this data (via their own service) and aggregate it. The aggregated data is fed back into poppy | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | poppy then returns that aggregated data back via the API | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | The aggregated data is in a well defined schema | 19:21 |
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| malini | ok..starting to make sense :) | 19:22 |
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| obulpathi | so do we have any idea of the stats Akamai/CloudFront/Fastly/MaxCDN provide? | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | Right on. | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | there is a whole bunch | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | some in common, some not | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | it still requires more investigation | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | also do they allow custom queries by end users? | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | mostly dont support custom queries | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | many of them dump logs (some stream logs) periodically | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | we then have to parse those logs | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | we can sometimes define what goes into those logs | 19:23 |
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| amitgandhinz | eg fastly support apache style formatting to define the log output | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | im not sure what akamai or maxcdn does | 19:23 |
| obulpathi | cool | 19:23 |
| malini | "we then have to parse those logs" - 'we' are operators, not Poppy -rt amitgandhinz? | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | storing and ingesting logs is not our concern | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | in that context - operators | 19:24 |
| malini | thanks | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | but, let me propose a slightly alternative idea | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | all ears | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | so how about we store the ingested data | 19:24 |
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| obulpathi | and expose that? | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | the ingested data is the data obtained from logs | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | and should not be too large to handle ... | 19:25 |
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| tonytan4ever | That's we are going to do right ? | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | Parse data from logs, store in poppy standard format | 19:25 |
| malini | obulpathi: how is it different from amitgandhinz's suggestion? | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | then expose that ? | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | let me rephrase my question | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | we dont want to expose raw logs | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | its too large | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | no, not the raw logs | 19:26 |
| tonytan4ever | plus we need a standard format | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | the digested information only | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | are you suggesting to make the aggregated logs available via a swift container? | 19:27 |
| obulpathi | sort of .. | 19:27 |
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| amitgandhinz | hmmm...possible | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | operator dumps aggregated logs into a swift container | 19:27 |
| obulpathi | my question essentially boils down to will we be answering all the questions that a user have about the content distribution? | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | poppy is responsible for parsing aggregated logs from swift, storing in datastore, and then making it available via the api | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | operator is responsible for parsing raw logs, aggregating, and storing in swift | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | yes, that part is clear to me | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | lets say we expose api | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | stats/cache_hits | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | stats/bandwidth etc .. | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | i do like the idea of giving users more data that we may not necessarily be querying | 19:29 |
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| obulpathi | when user comes and says .. hey I need this metric | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | we should not be adding another endpoint | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | thats my only concern | 19:30 |
| obulpathi | but simplicity wins | 19:30 |
| obulpathi | I am in with the proposal you suggested | 19:30 |
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| obulpathi | but just wanted to toss the idea and discuss if it has any merits | 19:30 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, it still requires more thought, but this is a good starting point | 19:30 |
| obulpathi | thanks :) | 19:30 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:30 |
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| tonytan4ever | To achieve what you are suggesting, obulpathi, we need to carefully design this standard format. | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | i think once we analyze the data that can be analyzed, will can proceed (that was confusing ;-)) | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | s/will/we | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | cool | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | awesome, thanks obulpathi | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | thanks | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, anyone have anything else they want to discuss? | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | i am going to be out tomorrow and all next week | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: will run next weeks meeting | 19:32 |
| obulpathi | malini malini malini :P | 19:32 |
| malini | we'll make sure you get all the #actions amitgandhinz ;) | 19:32 |
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| catherine | :) | 19:33 |
| malini | :D | 19:33 |
| tonytan4ever | mmaalliinnii... | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, anything else? | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | going once..... | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | going twice....... | 19:33 |
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| obulpathi | nothing from me | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | cool, thanks everyone | 19:33 |
| malini | thanks! | 19:33 |
| catherine | bye! | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 18 19:34:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-09-18-19.00.html | 19:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-09-18-19.00.txt | 19:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-09-18-19.00.log.html | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | have a safe trip amitgandhinz | 19:34 |
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| markwash__ | let's get this glancy party started | 20:00 |
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| markwash__ | o/ | 20:00 |
| jcook | o/ | 20:00 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 20:00 |
| * kragniz glances nervously around | 20:00 | |
| markwash__ | #startmeeting glance | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 18 20:01:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markwash__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:01 |
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| TravT | o/ | 20:01 |
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| * TravT takes a sip of the cocktail | 20:02 | |
| markwash__ | #topic juno-rc1 | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "juno-rc1 (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:02 | |
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| markwash__ | I believe we're going to try to have rc1 out next week | 20:02 |
| markwash__ | so far, we've got most of our FFE's in | 20:02 |
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| markwash__ | https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 20:02 |
| markwash__ | there was a little bit of discussion about the logging levels change | 20:03 |
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| markwash__ | I dunno if jokke could make it today | 20:03 |
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| markwash__ | it seems maybe someone has some docs and metadefs patches they want to see make it into rc1? | 20:03 |
| kragniz | markwash__: he was catching a flight today | 20:03 |
| markwash__ | anyone here who can speak about that? | 20:03 |
| kragniz | so I doubt he can make it | 20:04 |
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| TravT | I can't speak to his logging patches | 20:04 |
| TravT | but did have a few requests related to RC1 and the metadefs | 20:04 |
| TravT | i've been going through Nova juno blueprints and nova code. | 20:04 |
| TravT | and just making sure that all the metadefs are up to date and accurate | 20:04 |
| TravT | so that the definitions we offer "out of the box" are current with Juno | 20:05 |
| markwash__ | that sounds important :-) | 20:05 |
| TravT | zhiyan has looked through most of them | 20:05 |
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| TravT | but still need another core to look and give comments or approve through | 20:05 |
| TravT | i just posted them in the etherpad #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:06 |
| markwash__ | okay, cool, is there a gerrit topic we can use to see them? | 20:06 |
| markwash__ | ah okay, great, thanks TravT | 20:06 |
| TravT | also, lakshmiS and I have a couple on docs up for review | 20:06 |
| markwash__ | are those also in the links posted? | 20:07 |
| TravT | yep | 20:07 |
| markwash__ | okay great | 20:07 |
| markwash__ | wrt rc1-targeted bugs | 20:07 |
| markwash__ | currently there aren't any | 20:07 |
| markwash__ | which just means we're not tracking anything that is considered a release blocker | 20:08 |
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| markwash__ | unfortunately, though our recent bug day was a decent improvement, we still have a lot of New bugs | 20:08 |
| markwash__ | so we might be rolling the dice a bit there | 20:08 |
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| markwash__ | but unless we find the time to triage all of those bugs, I think we're stuck with rolling the dice a bit :-( | 20:08 |
| TravT | how does this work post rc1? can we still get bugs through that aren't blockers? | 20:08 |
| markwash__ | TravT: until the actual release, we can continue to find/target/and fix bugs | 20:09 |
| TravT | \o/ | 20:09 |
| markwash__ | often we have rc2, sometimes rc3 | 20:09 |
| markwash__ | also, yes, bugs that aren't blockers can probably go through as long as the fixes don't seem to be destabilizing | 20:10 |
| ativelkov | When the actual release branch is being created? | 20:10 |
| markwash__ | should be Oct 16 | 20:10 |
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| markwash__ | any other thoughts or questions about juno rc1? | 20:10 |
| markwash__ | okay, moving on then | 20:11 |
| ativelkov | Ah, so the release branch is created only with the release? Until then master == juno? | 20:11 |
| markwash__ | yes | 20:11 |
| ativelkov | got it | 20:11 |
| markwash__ | #topic container format default | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "container format default (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:12 | |
| markwash__ | so going through the bug reports found a lot of "not" bugs | 20:12 |
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| markwash__ | but that are actually kind of serious UX problems | 20:12 |
| markwash__ | or at least difficulties | 20:12 |
| markwash__ | and I think it caused me to reverse course on some longstanding issues | 20:12 |
| markwash__ | first up, requiring container format | 20:12 |
| markwash__ | I think this causes a lot of confusion for users of glanceclient | 20:12 |
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| markwash__ | so I'd like to endorse the various folks who have proposed making 'bare' the default | 20:13 |
| markwash__ | (in bug tickets etc) | 20:13 |
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| markwash__ | anybody hate this idea? or should I just file a spec? | 20:13 |
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| markwash__ | I probably should put this on the ML as well. . . | 20:13 |
| ativelkov | is this just a default for CLI, or API as well? | 20:14 |
| markwash__ | ativelkov: actually it could be either | 20:14 |
| markwash__ | but I'm considering proposing it for the API first | 20:14 |
| markwash__ | and seeing if it meets resistence | 20:14 |
| markwash__ | its a slightly incompatible change no matter how you slice it, but if it were just the glanceclient shell I think we'd certainly be able to afford that cost | 20:15 |
| markwash__ | okay, well, I can take that issue to the ML, and let us move on | 20:16 |
| markwash__ | #topic image-create without arguments | 20:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "image-create without arguments (Meeting topic: glance)" | 20:16 | |
| markwash__ | this was another issue | 20:16 |
| markwash__ | but specifically just for the shell | 20:16 |
| markwash__ | I think we could add an option that says '--just-reserve-id' or something that gives the current behavior | 20:16 |
| markwash__ | as background | 20:17 |
| markwash__ | currently, image-create with no arguments actually creates an image | 20:17 |
| markwash__ | that has no properties and no data | 20:17 |
| ativelkov | i.e. set the state to queued? | 20:17 |
| markwash__ | except an id | 20:17 |
| markwash__ | ativelkov: yes | 20:17 |
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| TravT | it currently sets to queued. | 20:17 |
| TravT | which is kind of funny, actually | 20:17 |
| markwash__ | so what I would propose is making image-create with no arguments give usage | 20:17 |
| markwash__ | and if you want the existing behavior, you pass a special arg | 20:18 |
| rosmaita | so is the problem that people are creating bunches of images by mistake? | 20:18 |
| markwash__ | yes | 20:18 |
| rosmaita | "images" | 20:18 |
| markwash__ | heh | 20:18 |
| rosmaita | ok | 20:18 |
| kragniz | I think that's a better behaviour | 20:18 |
| TravT | and then they just hang out? | 20:18 |
| TravT | i mean images that are always in queued | 20:18 |
| ativelkov | But will not be a breaking change to the API? Probably somebody is doing this intentiaonlly? | 20:18 |
| markwash__ | ativelkov: this would just be a glanceclient shell change I think, so the API would stay the same | 20:19 |
| markwash__ | I know that the shell is also an API | 20:19 |
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| markwash__ | but, it has different requirements in my view | 20:19 |
| rosmaita | i agree this makes sense for the shell | 20:19 |
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| kragniz | ativelkov: is the way it behaves with no arguments clearly documented somewhere? | 20:19 |
| TravT | probably... | 20:20 |
| TravT | they just updated CLI docs for us. I have the link. just a s ec | 20:20 |
| ativelkov | kragniz: well, at least all the arguments are documented as optional | 20:20 |
| TravT | #link: http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/content/glanceclient_commands.html | 20:20 |
| ativelkov | so this change will make at least some of the opts as required, right? file, or copy-from, or location? | 20:21 |
| markwash__ | ativelkov: not quite, at least how I was thinking of it at first | 20:21 |
| TravT | no, he was saying that adding --just-reserve-id would work as it does now | 20:22 |
| markwash__ | *some* option would be required to actually create an image | 20:22 |
| markwash__ | alternately, we could add "image-reserve" which does not take anything but properties and works the way image-create does today | 20:22 |
| TravT | glance image-create --reserve-id | 20:22 |
| markwash__ | and then have image-create require file or copy-from or location | 20:22 |
| ativelkov | Ok, let's put it this way: what should happen after the change when I just type "glance image-create" | 20:22 |
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| kragniz | markwash__: that actually sounds like a nicer way to do it | 20:22 |
| markwash__ | ativelkov: you would get usage | 20:22 |
| ativelkov | ok, so at least one of the "source" options is required | 20:23 |
| markwash__ | that is, parser.print_usage() | 20:23 |
| markwash__ | I think I'm being a bit confusing, unfortunately | 20:23 |
| markwash__ | if this idea doesn't sound completely terrible, i can send out an email with a more clear summary | 20:23 |
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| TravT | what is the normal workflow with the current example? | 20:24 |
| TravT | people queue up an image | 20:24 |
| TravT | and then upload data? | 20:24 |
| markwash__ | the typical use case for shell users is to just image-create with --container-format, --disk-format, name, and then image data | 20:24 |
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| ativelkov | BTW, this may be a slightly different topic, but is there a way to import (i.e. copy-from) data to an existing (but queued) image in v2? | 20:25 |
| markwash__ | ativelkov: there isn't really | 20:25 |
| ativelkov | afair, there is an import-image task, but it creates a new image | 20:25 |
| markwash__ | that was one of the use case ideas for import-image | 20:25 |
| markwash__ | but I don't think anyone has worked on that specific case | 20:25 |
| markwash__ | oh | 20:26 |
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| markwash__ | I didn't understand | 20:26 |
| markwash__ | ativelkov: you're asking about --copy-from for image-update | 20:26 |
| ativelkov | yes | 20:26 |
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| markwash__ | ativelkov: yes that is a supported option | 20:27 |
| markwash__ | I haven't used it myself | 20:27 |
| ativelkov | let's say, I've created an image with no data (queued), and then want to set its data from some external source | 20:27 |
| TravT | glance image-upload | 20:28 |
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| markwash__ | I think this is already a supported option on glance image-update | 20:28 |
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| ativelkov | there is a PUT /v2/images/{id}/file - but it is not copy-from, it is direct upload from client | 20:29 |
| markwash__ | okay, I'll send out two messages to the ML to gauge the reaction to these changes and then come up with a spec | 20:29 |
| markwash__ | OH | 20:29 |
| markwash__ | ativelkov: man I'm really good at misreading your question | 20:29 |
| markwash__ | you're asking about v2 | 20:29 |
| ativelkov | yep | 20:29 |
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| markwash__ | ativelkov: there's no copy-from support in v2 at this time | 20:30 |
| TravT | yeah, "glance --os-image-api-version 2 image-upload --file <file>" lets you directly upload from CLI | 20:30 |
| markwash__ | I think we were imagining sticking with import for cases like that | 20:30 |
| markwash__ | where you need the glance service to call out to some other place | 20:30 |
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| ativelkov | got it. So, the only place where v2 can do import, is the import image task | 20:31 |
| ativelkov | sorry, this looks like an offtopic anyway ) | 20:31 |
| markwash__ | no worries | 20:32 |
| markwash__ | okay, next up! | 20:32 |
| markwash__ | #topic community images | 20:32 |
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| kragniz | quick refresher: community images is a new feature which allows images to be shared with other tenants | 20:32 |
| markwash__ | kragniz: did I see a mention of you in the recently-resurrected change request? | 20:32 |
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| kragniz | but only shows up in an image-list when the image is accepted by an image consumer | 20:32 |
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| kragniz | markwash__: you did indeed! | 20:33 |
| kragniz | I'm looking at taking it on and getting it ready for kilo | 20:33 |
| markwash__ | \o/ | 20:33 |
| nikhil_k | woot! | 20:34 |
| kragniz | the current implementation under review is a little off from the original blueprint | 20:34 |
| kragniz | (image still needs to be explicitly shared with tenants before they appear in a listing) | 20:34 |
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| kragniz | it's been a while since any development on this feature has happened | 20:35 |
| TravT | so is this the "shared" status? | 20:35 |
| markwash__ | yeah | 20:35 |
| kragniz | so is there anything I should know before cleaning up this patch for K? | 20:35 |
| markwash__ | we had some sort of great chat about this at the mini summit | 20:35 |
| markwash__ | and then I forgot everything | 20:35 |
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| TravT | this is also coupled with membership, right? | 20:36 |
| markwash__ | I think that's partly the idea | 20:36 |
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| markwash__ | so the general thought around this was that when you make a community image, folks can see it if they add a specific filter | 20:37 |
| markwash__ | and then they can still "accept" it to make it show up in their default listing | 20:37 |
| markwash__ | we also had some idea about changing how the visibility flag worked | 20:37 |
| markwash__ | :-( | 20:37 |
| kragniz | TravT: yup | 20:37 |
| markwash__ | but I just can't remember | 20:37 |
| ativelkov | afair, there was an idea that image has explicit value for the "visibility", which may be either private, public or shared. And there is a transition workflow for state changes, which may occur either explicitly or implicitly my assigning memberships | 20:37 |
| markwash__ | right | 20:38 |
| kragniz | markwash__: did you have any notes on that floating around? | 20:38 |
| markwash__ | kragniz: I will have to review briefly to see if I can find any | 20:38 |
| kragniz | markwash__: awesome, that would be great | 20:38 |
| ativelkov | I think we need some refreshing spec before we move on with the implementation | 20:38 |
| markwash__ | yeah | 20:38 |
| markwash__ | ativelkov: good point | 20:38 |
| markwash__ | that will help jog my memory as well | 20:38 |
| ativelkov | BTW, do we have a kilo folder in specs already? | 20:38 |
| kragniz | ativelkov: that's why I wanted to bring it up | 20:39 |
| markwash__ | ativelkov: yes | 20:39 |
| markwash__ | kragniz: okay, so I'll try to update with any notes I find, but if you can go ahead and get a start on the spec it would be great | 20:39 |
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| kragniz | markwash__: sounds good | 20:40 |
| kragniz | :) | 20:40 |
| TravT | spec would be good. iirc there was a lot of questions on what happens once it is shared revoking it. | 20:40 |
| markwash__ | fwiw here is the etherpad link for that discussion https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-juno-mid-cycle-community-sharing | 20:40 |
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| markwash__ | kragniz: ^^ | 20:40 |
| kragniz | markwash__: cool! | 20:41 |
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| markwash__ | all righty then | 20:41 |
| markwash__ | #topic open discussion | 20:41 |
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| flaper87 | sorry guys, I'm very late | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | is the client ready to be released ? | 20:42 |
| lakshmiS | pycharms openstack license expiring in 6 days. Where can we get new license? | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | I'm planning to do so tomorrow morning | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | (my morning) | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | I think the rest of the patches and fixes can be released in a minor release | 20:42 |
| kragniz | flaper87: sounds good for us | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | Are we planing to release a 0.15 or can I simply go with a 0.14.1 ? | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | AFAIK, we just added fixes and no changes to the API, right? | 20:43 |
| * markwash__ fetches origin and does a diff | 20:43 | |
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| nikhil_k | lakshmiS: direct email, iiuc | 20:44 |
| markwash__ | you can see the changes with "git log 33dcea81b2f2ac5f643c0153c5a70cfec2008555..HEAD" btw | 20:44 |
| markwash__ | flaper87: looks like minor to me | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | yeah, I threw my self to the lazyweb | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | myself* | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | sweet, ok! | 20:45 |
| markwash__ | lakshmiS: that's a good question | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | even better. 2 majors in less than 3 weeks would look kinda bad | 20:46 |
| markwash__ | I dunno if we still have a pycharms hookup | 20:46 |
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| TravT | FYI, we got 3 of our Horizon patches landed for metadefs! | 20:47 |
| nikhil_k | andrew had asked them a month ago | 20:47 |
| TravT | so, if you get a new devstack, you can go to images, flavors, and host aggregates and click the "update metadata" action on a row to see the available metadefs. | 20:47 |
| nikhil_k | and jetbrains folks asked him to contact a week before | 20:47 |
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| markwash__ | nikhil_k: ah cool, I had forgotten that amelton was the keeper of the keys | 20:47 |
| markwash__ | TravT: huzzah! | 20:47 |
| kragniz | TravT: that's pretty cool | 20:47 |
| TravT | Yep! Thank you everybody for the help in getting it released! | 20:47 |
| markwash__ | :-) | 20:48 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: congrats! | 20:49 |
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| TravT | Thanks! | 20:49 |
| markwash__ | all right, looks like we can have 10 minutes back from our normally scheduled hour | 20:49 |
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| markwash__ | I recommend staring off into space :-) | 20:49 |
| TravT | one last thing | 20:49 |
| * markwash__ waits | 20:49 | |
| nikhil_k | lol | 20:49 |
| TravT | when do we need to have specs available for consideration as topics at the next summit? | 20:50 |
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| ativelkov | TravT: meanwhile could you please take a look at the declarative model to define type-specific artifact metadata I've pushed for review? Does it make sense? (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119174/) | 20:50 |
| TravT | ativelkov: yes, plan on getting back to that. Although, i'm out on vacation next week. | 20:51 |
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| ativelkov | Any time which is convenient for you :) thanks | 20:51 |
| TravT | ativelkov: i'm definitely planning to help out on that. just been trying to wrap up current work. | 20:52 |
| markwash__ | TravT: I'm trying to swim through the recent emails about the summit planning etherpads to see if I can find an answer to your question | 20:52 |
| * TravT hopes we have some time so he doesn't have to work through vacation. | 20:53 | |
| markwash__ | TravT: maybe somethwere in this thread? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045844.html | 20:53 |
| TravT | Yeah, i read that... didn't really have timelines | 20:54 |
| markwash__ | TravT: I think we can go ahead and start our summit etherpad | 20:54 |
| TravT | but it did look like we need to create the etherpad for discussion | 20:54 |
| markwash__ | I'm guessing the list of topics will be selected an massaged a few weeks prior to the summit | 20:54 |
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| TravT | we have a few things we might put up as topics, but it will be a couple weeks | 20:54 |
| markwash__ | should be fine | 20:55 |
| TravT | :-) | 20:55 |
| TravT | thx | 20:55 |
| markwash__ | okay, anything else? | 20:55 |
| markwash__ | #endmeeting | 20:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 18 20:56:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-09-18-20.01.html | 20:56 |
| * markwash__ stares off into space | 20:56 | |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-09-18-20.01.txt | 20:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-09-18-20.01.log.html | 20:56 |
| kragniz | thanks, all | 20:56 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:56 |
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