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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 19 16:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | who's around for the oslo meeting? | 16:00 |
| zzzeek | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | \o | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
| beekneemech | o/ | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | as usual our agenda is in the wiki: | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| dhellmann | dhellmann review all libs for unreleased changes that need to go out on monday | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | DONE | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | we have released all the things | 16:01 |
| beekneemech | \o/ | 16:01 |
| dims_ | w00t | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | good work, everyone! | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| dhellmann | ok, what'd we break? :-) | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | is anyone reporting issues with the final releases? | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | I see a few critical bugs: | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.importance%3Alist=CRITICAL&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | .used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | ouch | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | http://bit.ly/1o9f8F6 | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | #link http://bit.ly/1o9f8F6 | 16:04 |
| bknudson | I haven't seen any bugs to keystone since the oslo libs release | 16:04 |
| zzzeek | there is a review for https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.db/+bug/1330763, let me find | 16:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1330763 in oslo.db "PostgrestSQLOpportunisticFixture fails with no attribute named _details" [Critical,Triaged] | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | the pbr bug blocked us from releasing pbr, so it would be good to have some reviews on that -- maybe we can do a release right after the other projects finish their releases | 16:05 |
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| zzzeek | this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120923/ | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | ok, I"ll mark that as in progress | 16:06 |
| zzzeek | which also, when we ever get to my test rework, is also fixed :) | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: ok, good to know | 16:07 |
| beekneemech | Does anyone have time to fix up that oslo.db change? | 16:07 |
| beekneemech | It's still broken if you run locally. | 16:07 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: pbr review has 2 +2's not sure why it's not +W'ed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122234/ | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | dims_: I think because those +2 came before the test jobs finished | 16:08 |
| zzzeek | is this fix still considered part of juno ? | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: if we need to provide it for the juno versions of the other projects, then it would be | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: is that failure happening regularly? why is this old of a bug marked as critical? | 16:09 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: not sure. i think the nova folks got into it | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | let's see if we can close that out, and I'll talk to ttx about the most appropriate way to release the fix next week | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | same for pbr | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann talk to ttx about timing for oslo.db and pbr releases | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #topic Juno Retrospective | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno Retrospective (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:11 | |
| dhellmann | We have some good notes in the etherpad I sent out yesterday | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-juno-retro | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | beekneemech, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120923/ fixed ... | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | some of these items deserve more discussino than I think we'll have time for here in the meeting | 16:12 |
| beekneemech | harlowja_at_home: Thanks | 16:12 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: there was a vote for rados on mailing list, can you please add him as oslo.vmware specialist? | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | dims_: sure | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann add rados to oslo.vmware core list | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | if you've been holding onto an idea for a way to improve the way we work, this is the time to bring it up :-) | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | make oslo sexy! | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | does anyone have questions about any of the items on the list so far? | 16:14 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: "super +1" concept, we can formalize it? | 16:14 |
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| dims_ | dhellmann: http://markmail.org/message/hhld2vhk2sciwcba | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | dims_: super +1? | 16:14 |
| * beekneemech coined a phrase, apparently :-) | 16:15 | |
| * dhellmann is behind on the ML | 16:15 | |
| dims_ | beekneemech: :) | 16:15 |
| beekneemech | I just sent it like 20 minutes before the meeting | 16:15 |
| dims_ | beekneemech: i liked it a lot :) | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | beekneemech: I think I like that, too. We'll have to think about how to implement it in practice, like remembering who gets the ++1 vs. +1 | 16:16 |
| beekneemech | It seemed to work reasonably well for incubator. | 16:16 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: right | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | maybe just a maintainers file for the drivers | 16:16 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 16:16 |
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| dims_ | +1 to maintainers file | 16:17 |
| beekneemech | +1 to maintainers file | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | we could also encourage some of those driver authors to become oslo.messaging cores :-) | 16:17 |
| beekneemech | Heh | 16:17 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: That would be nice. | 16:17 |
| dims_ | basically we build pool of folks we can co-opt! | 16:17 |
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| dhellmann | dims_: sssh, you're going to give away the secret plan! | 16:17 |
| dims_ | :) | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, beekneemech, would you post those extra details to the list? we can get the other oslo messaging devs to comment that way before going ahead with the plan | 16:18 |
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| kgiusti | would this effect spinning out the drivers into separate (sub) projects? | 16:19 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: Sure. | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | kgiusti: this is an alternative to doing that, yes | 16:19 |
| kgiusti | eg - would it eliminate that need? | 16:19 |
| kgiusti | ok | 16:19 |
| dims_ | kgiusti: i hope it would eliminate the need for git sprawl | 16:19 |
| beekneemech | +1 | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | kgiusti: that's still an option, but the project management and integration test load goes up every time we add a repository | 16:19 |
| kgiusti | +1, I'm leery of bit rot | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | is there anything else on the retrospective list we should talk about now? I'll post to the ML for more discussion, too. | 16:21 |
| bknudson | I wanted to point out in the retrospective how much code we got out of keystone | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | I saw that, that's excellent! | 16:22 |
| dims_ | bknudson: great stat | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, i'm always ok with more taskflow reviews ;) | 16:22 |
| bknudson | this is great for security. | 16:22 |
| beekneemech | Heh, less vendorized Oslo code ftw. ;-) | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: yep, we need to build up the review team for that lib beyond just core | 16:22 |
| dims_ | beekneemech: +1 | 16:23 |
| bknudson | beekneemech: y, we don't need that complaint | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, agreed, glance is starting to suck it in/use it, so it'd be nice to figure out how to involved cinder/glance more in the whole process (get ambassadors from them...) | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: that sounds like a good way to build the team up | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, even if they are semi-active | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | yep | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | * for those interested, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85211/ | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | there's a lot of active development going on there, so it should be easy to attract people if we look in the right places | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | let's move on then | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | #topic Looking ahead to Kilo | 16:26 |
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| dims_ | dhellmann: is there consensus on yanking py26 support? | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | dims_: I think we're waiting on SuSE. I expect infra will keep us informed about that. | 16:27 |
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| clarkb | I think in atlanta we basically said no py26 for kilo | 16:27 |
| clarkb | it was twittered so must be official now | 16:27 |
| beekneemech | :-) | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: that's what I remember, but I wasn't sure who would be responsible for actually implementing that across all of the projects. | 16:27 |
| dims_ | clarkb: lol | 16:27 |
| clarkb | one thing to keep in mind though is that the clients must still py26 for old releases | 16:28 |
| clarkb | so clients and possibly oslo may py26 for another year | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | so that means at least some of the oslo libs will have to be tested for 2.6 | 16:28 |
| clarkb | yup | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | oslo.utils, oslo.serialization (?), maybe some others -- we will have to do that analysis | 16:28 |
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| dhellmann | stevedore and cliff | 16:28 |
| beekneemech | Might be safest just to leave them all. They're all being tested against 2.6 now anyway. | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, we know some of the libs are only used in the servers, but it's just as easy to keep them all for now | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | as some of you know, markmc is going to be focusing on some internal work at red hat for kilo, so he has stepped down as the lead on oslo.messaging | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | I've asked sileht to take over those responsibilities, and he agreed | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | #info silent is our new lead for oslo.messaging | 16:30 |
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| beekneemech | sileht++ | 16:30 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: +1 to sileht | 16:30 |
| dims_ | clarkb: while we have you, i saw notes on py34 is that as a replacement for py33? | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | dims_: oh, yes, good question -- I think I saw mention that we had a project failing the tests under 3.4? | 16:31 |
| dims_ | oslo.utils dhellmann | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | hrm, that's surprising | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | i was gonna try to fix that today unless someone else is working on it | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | do we have a bug filed? | 16:32 |
| clarkb | I think we are leaning that way. aside from f20 py33 does not have a large install base but 34 is going to be in lots of stuff? | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, i can open one with the details of whats broken | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | *once i get into work | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: picking one version of py3x makes sense to me | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: ok, thanks | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | #action harlowja_at_home open a bug to track fix for oslo.utils py34 test job | 16:32 |
| clarkb | anyways we would like to shift the bulk of py3k testing to 34 because its easy for us to test and easy for users to consume | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | np, the part that made me sad was the we published oslo.utils on pypi with stated py33 support but its still not voting :-/ | 16:33 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: nice seque | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | segue | 16:33 |
| dims_ | harlowja_at_home: y the comments from clarkb and fungi were on that review i had for making them vote | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #info we need to wrap up some details for our new libs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MvXsg0XxPonJ8yAFSraIwHM940eAfoXhfBVRa6hN7MY/edit#gid=0 | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | we have a few doc items to connect, a few jobs to make sure we have set to voting, etc. We should prioritize that work now, so we're completely done with what we started in Juno before we start the Kilo work. | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims_, yes i know comments on review for infra, still made me a little sad :-P | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | please look over the list of incomplete items for your libs on that spreadsheet | 16:34 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: related question, what is the next set of code to library-ize? | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | dims_: we need to work that out | 16:34 |
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| bknudson | is oslo.concurrency released for juno? | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | I plan to do some work on that next week, and start a discussion on the ML | 16:35 |
| dims_ | sounds great | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | dims_: if you have ideas, let me know :-) | 16:35 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: ack :) | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: we had a pre-1.0 release, but it's not marked as final on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-feature-freeze | 16:35 |
| beekneemech | Okay, and we can unblock all of the stuff like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118218/ right? | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | boy, you guys are 1 step ahead of me today | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | #info it is time to start removing deprecated code from the incubator | 16:36 |
| beekneemech | Heh | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | unleash your git rms | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:36 |
| beekneemech | Ooh, it's rpc delete time, right? | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | we'll need to coordinate, so that we update the modules that stay behind to use libraries appropriately | 16:37 |
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| beekneemech | So we can go back to having sane tox envs. | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | oh, yes, please, please delete that first | 16:37 |
| dims_ | hehehe | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | jd__: has a patch up for that, and we need to ressurect it and make sure it's still correct | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | #info while we are deleting code, fixes to incubated code needed by the other projects will need to be applied to the new stable/juno branch | 16:37 |
| dims_ | dhellmann: don't see oslo.concurrency here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121621/ | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | we'll have to decide on a case-by-case basis where to apply a patch first | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | dims_: ah, I can abandon that one, we landed 2 other patches instead | 16:38 |
| dims_ | nice | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | abandoned | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | dims_: you have a patch somewhere to update the incubator to use oslo.utils, right? | 16:40 |
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| dims_ | dhellmann: y will freshen it up | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | one of the things I'd like us to try for kilo is using launchpad for scheduling work with bugs as well as blueprints | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | so let's file some bugs for the delete work, and put them in the appropriate next-kilo milestone | 16:41 |
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| dhellmann | maybe one bug per library? | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | associated with the incubator project | 16:41 |
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| beekneemech | Seems reasonable | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | that will also let us start using the launchpad milestone as a way to figure out what reviews to prioritize | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | we dont need bugs for every little change, but for things we agree are team priorities it helps to have a list somewhere | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | and etherpads were really not scaling well | 16:43 |
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| beekneemech | So. many. etherpads. | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | ttx created a nice release script for us that closes the milestones, marks the bugs as "fix released", and then tags the repository | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | library releases will be much less manual during kilo :-) | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | one last item | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | #topic review priorities for this week | 16:45 |
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| dhellmann | #info incubator cleanup | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | #info any critical bugs | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | #link http://bit.ly/1o9f8F6 | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | do we have any changes in play without bugs on that list? ^^ | 16:45 |
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| dims_ | not that i know of | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | nothing critical from my side | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech, you asked about lower priority changes earlier. do you think it makes sense to do the cleanup work first, then deal with merge conflicts to those changes. | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | ? | 16:46 |
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| beekneemech | Hmm | 16:47 |
| beekneemech | Probably. There's no sense reviewing changes to code that will be getting deleted. | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | or should we merge the little stuff to make it easier to backport them? | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | yeah, let's see what we actually have -- some of it we might just ask to have merged in the stable branch and not in master at all | 16:48 |
| beekneemech | Well, backports to code getting deleted are going to skip master anyway, right? | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:48 |
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| dhellmann | I was thinking of a case that was mixed | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | there was something recently, let me find it | 16:48 |
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| beekneemech | Yeah, but we'll end up with a messy backport for those anyway since some of the files will have disappeared either way. | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | true | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | oh, the mock thing: https://review.openstack.org/87375 | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | that one we probably don't care so much about backporting | 16:49 |
| beekneemech | Yeah, I wouldn't think so. | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | ok, do we want to sign up to work on the deletion stuff so we don't step on each other's toes? | 16:50 |
| beekneemech | Seems like a good idea. | 16:50 |
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| beekneemech | I'm out Mon-Wed next week though. | 16:51 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-kilo-deleting-graduated-libraries | 16:51 |
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| dims_ | we need one etherpad where can we can write down the urls to the rest of them :) | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | dims_: haha | 16:52 |
| beekneemech | One etherpad to rule them all! | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | you know, I just said we'd use bugs for this | 16:53 |
| * dhellmann needs to stop making etherpads | 16:53 | |
| beekneemech | Heh | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | sign up on the etherpad, and then create a bug and assign it to yourself :-) | 16:53 |
| dims_ | lol | 16:53 |
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| dhellmann | that's all I had for today | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:54 |
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| beekneemech | dhellmann: Oh, so stuff like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118218/2/MAINTAINERS will need to go to stable/juno instead of master now. | 16:55 |
| beekneemech | Because those modules will get deleted entirely in master. | 16:55 |
| zzzeek | so i really want to fix up the way libs use EngineFacade | 16:55 |
| zzzeek | because i see like in nova, get_engine() / get_sessino() called all over the place, repeatedly, overlapping, etc. | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: good point. Do you think we still need that at all? or is it clear from the fact that we've deleted the code that it is obsolete? | 16:55 |
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| gordc | zzzeek: you have doc on proper usage? i'd be happy to apply it to ceilometer | 16:56 |
| zzzeek | gordc: i have to blueprint some new API | 16:56 |
| zzzeek | so i want to make a BP taht pushes for a decorator | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: the "obsolete" status was meant to be used for code we were keeping around after graduation, which we won't be doing any more | 16:56 |
| gordc | zzzeek: cool cool. that sounds like a good idea. | 16:57 |
| zzzeek | there would no longer be any get_session() or get_engine() calls, it confuses everyone. | 16:57 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: Yeah, that makes sense, and it would cut down on the number of boilerplate changes we have to make. | 16:57 |
| zzzeek | the decoator would maintain just one transaction no matter how much it is nested | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: right | 16:57 |
| zzzeek | and could also do the “retry on failed transaction” thing, perhaps with some declarative markers whether or not to enable it for a series of methods | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann update graduation instructions to say delete code instead of marking it obsolete | 16:57 |
| bknudson | zzzeek: how? thread-local variable? | 16:57 |
| zzzeek | bknudson: the decorator would maintain the state as it calls the wrapped function | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: that spec sounds like interesting reading :-) | 16:58 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: its a pretty simple idea, but it means, if you want the DB you would use this decorator, and it feeds an extra argument into your funciton | 16:58 |
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| zzzeek | ive looked at neutron, they already have a system like this | 16:59 |
| zzzeek | well they have a “context”. | 16:59 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: nice, maybe we can bring theirs into oslo | 16:59 |
| zzzeek | so they probably woudlnt use this part of it. | 16:59 |
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| zzzeek | maybe. | 16:59 |
| bknudson | that might make some keystone stuff easier, since we have cross-backend calls | 16:59 |
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| zzzeek | but i still see reviews daily, that confuse get_engine(), get_session(), begin(), and i think it should all be removed from code that uses oslo.db | 16:59 |
| bknudson | the called backend might be SQL or it might be LDAP | 17:00 |
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| dhellmann | we're almost out of time, so I want to say THANK YOU ALL once again for a highly productive cycle | 17:00 |
| zzzeek | woop | 17:00 |
| dims_ | +1000 to all of us :) | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | ok, time's up | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 19 17:01:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-09-19-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-09-19-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-09-19-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
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