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| zns | #startmeeting satori | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 22 15:00:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:00 |
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| zns | Hi! Who's here for Satori? | 15:02 |
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| zns | Hi samstav - anyone else here for Satori? | 15:04 |
| gondoi | o/ | 15:04 |
| zns | Hi gondoi | 15:05 |
| zns | Thanks for joining. Light agenda today, one topic, but it could get gamey. | 15:05 |
| zns | #topic Action Items | 15:06 |
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| zns | No action items, I believe. | 15:06 |
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| zns | gondoi: could you help ups review/push through https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/satori,n,z | 15:06 |
| zns | samstav - could you check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118843/ | 15:07 |
| gondoi | will do | 15:07 |
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| zns | #topic Affinity Check | 15:07 |
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| zns | We've received a request to be able to detect guests running on the same host within a tenant. | 15:08 |
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| zns | I think this would be a good opportunity to have satori provide that. We'd get some of our blueprints moving (ex. opinions: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/poc-resource-opinions, plugins: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/satori-plugin-support) | 15:10 |
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| samstav_ | Cool. I was looking through the existing blueprints to pick out some relevant ones. That's them ^^ | 15:11 |
| samstav_ | btw samstav is an imposter. I am the real sam | 15:12 |
| zns | What would be a good first step? | 15:12 |
| zns | "sam I am" | 15:12 |
| zns | http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120523053951/seuss/images/e/e3/Samiam.jpg | 15:13 |
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| zns | It feel to me like this would be an operation on a tenant, whereas all our functionality right now operates on one address. | 15:14 |
| zns | That could be the first thing to address. | 15:14 |
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| zns | So we would have to run a discovery that would return all resources under a tenant, not just one IP. | 15:15 |
| samstav_ | To perform the affinity check, you would be required to run satori with input == tenant id ? | 15:16 |
| zns | And then we would run some logic over that data to check for host affinity. | 15:16 |
| zns | Yes. I think... should it be a different mode (ex. address/netloc discovery vs. tenant discovery) or should we have a generic "target" and the target could be a tenant id? | 15:17 |
| samstav_ | In other words, I think we would still want to run that opinion even if the input target is a netloc. | 15:17 |
| samstav_ | Hmm. Good question. Satori doesn't support a variety of input targets yet. mode or modeless.... | 15:18 |
| zns | Opinions should probably have some logic in them that allows them to self-select and determine whether they should run or not on the data from a discovery. They could use the arguments fro a discovery or the data. | 15:19 |
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| samstav_ | Correct me if I'm wrong. I think the logic for the affinity check would have the same expense whether you want to know if VM1 shares a host with any of the tenant's other VMs, vs. whether you want to know if *any* VMs share a host w/ *any* of the tenant's VMs | 15:20 |
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| zns | A con for modes is that we would have to add modes for different targets as we expand our scope. And then have to handle situations where modes might overlap. I prefer just one target input and if we need to disambiguate it we could. For example "satory key=value, ..." like "satori discover tenantId=12345" or "satori discover ip=10.1.2.3" or, when combined, "satori discover tenantId=12345 address=https://myapp.com" | 15:21 |
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| zns | I think you're right. It would be the same expense. But could there be opinions in the future that would have higher expense? | 15:22 |
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| zns | The key/values are basically things we know; I.e. given these facts, find these unknowns. | 15:23 |
| samstav_ | I think there could be opinions in the future that have a higher expense, yes | 15:23 |
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| zns | So, actually, maybe add a list of things to find: satori discover tenantId=12345 address=https://myapp.com find=dns-info,host,ip-address, ... | 15:24 |
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| samstav_ | "I prefer just one target input and if we need to disambiguate it we could. " -- yes | 15:25 |
| zns | What would the command look like for running the affinity check on a tenant? | 15:25 |
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| samstav_ | Lets throw some ideas out there... | 15:25 |
| samstav_ | I was thinking the opinion would just "self-select" as you mentioned | 15:26 |
| samstav_ | *unless* opinions are turned off? Maybe... opinions are on by default, unless you turn them all off with something like `--no-opinions` and then, if they are on by default, you could selectively exclude opinions by opinion ID | 15:27 |
| samstav_ | like grep has --exclude and --exclude-dir | 15:28 |
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| zns | I like that. We use the environment variables commonly set up for an openstack client today (ex. OS_AUTH, OS_TENANT). We could actually make this work with the simplest of commands: "satori" - just that. By default it would run on the configured tenant in the environment, collect all the resources, and generate any opinions on them and print them out. | 15:28 |
| samstav_ | That is great | 15:29 |
| samstav_ | Can't get simpler than that. | 15:29 |
| zns | Yep | 15:29 |
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| zns | Not collect more than 100 servers unless explicitly asked to. | 15:30 |
| samstav_ | Does this mean satori doesn't need the `discover` command? | 15:30 |
| samstav_ | How many subcommands does it have now? | 15:30 |
| zns | Sorry, overtyped "We'd have to handle tenants with many resources and rate limit satori." | 15:30 |
| zns | I guess not. It's implied in our command today and we've not received a use case for any other action. | 15:31 |
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| samstav_ | Ok | 15:32 |
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| samstav_ | re: ratelimiting, yes | 15:32 |
| zns | What would the output look like for that? Maybe this is where a blueprint is needed.... | 15:33 |
| samstav_ | By 'that', you mean satori infers running a "tenant-mode" discovery based on environment variables and applies the affinity check opinion ? | 15:34 |
| zns | Do we need a plugin for this or, just like we support python-novaclient and openstack by default now, we just include this opinion as a built-in. Plugins can come later when a request comes in that needs them. | 15:34 |
| zns | Ye | 15:34 |
| zns | s | 15:34 |
| samstav_ | cool | 15:34 |
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| zns | And how would resource limiting look: satori --max-resources=1000? | 15:35 |
| zns | satori --max-servers=1000 --max-networks=20 | 15:36 |
| zns | Two options here. | 15:36 |
| samstav_ | Good quest re: plugin. I guess it does look like satori will support "anything" openstack by default. | 15:36 |
| zns | Yep. | 15:36 |
| zns | And if we start supporting opinions plugins we could turn "built-in" ones one and off if it makes sense. | 15:37 |
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| samstav_ | Cool. I think the `--max-xyz` option sounds good. | 15:38 |
| samstav_ | option(s) | 15:38 |
| samstav_ | I was trying to think a little bit about discovering similar information from different clouds and being able to feed that data into the same opinion. Not sure we need to talk about that right this minute. | 15:39 |
| zns | I imagine we would loop over the service catalog and get all resources form all service endpoints... maybe in the future... but we're just doing server using python-novaclient now. But for when that future comes would we want a generic option that says "get maximum one thousand items from each endpoint, no matter what the endpoint is"? | 15:39 |
| zns | Or should it be determined by the number of pages that come back from each service: --max-pages=20. | 15:40 |
| samstav_ | to continue that previous sentence ... would/should the affinity check or other opinions need to be coupled with openstack ? I personally would not know what is applicable on another cloud platform. | 15:40 |
| zns | Yes. I think so. For now. We would check the "host" key. I don't know what that key is on other providers. | 15:41 |
| samstav_ | ok. Can different hosts in different regions have the same host id? | 15:42 |
| * samstav_ hopes not | 15:42 | |
| zns | We've adopted ohai-solo for our data model for data plane discovery. We could just adopt openstack as our model for cloud resources and when we add support for other providers we would transform them into that. | 15:42 |
| samstav_ | cool | 15:43 |
| zns | I don't know if we have the bandwidth to take on creating or moving to some other generic standard. I'm sure some exist... | 15:43 |
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| zns | Something like http://www.dmtf.org/sites/default/files/standards/documents/DSP0264_1.0.0.pdf | 15:44 |
| samstav_ | As a user I'd probably prefer --max-resources to --max-pages | 15:44 |
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| zns | I just don't feel we would be able to make any meaningful progress towards adoption that. We don't have the traction and resourcing yet... | 15:45 |
| zns | Agreed. --max-resources means more. It's more certain. | 15:45 |
| zns | Better link: #link http://www.dmtf.org/standards/cmwg | 15:46 |
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| zns | I suggest we punt on that and if we have to rewrite a new version that anchors its schema in CIMI (or some other standard) we just take the hit then. | 15:47 |
| samstav_ | agreed | 15:48 |
| zns | How does --max-resources get distributed across endpoints? Would --max-resources=100 be just 100 servers, or 80 servers and 20 networks? | 15:49 |
| zns | #agreed - schema will not be CIMI or other standard, but openstack for now. | 15:49 |
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| zns | #agreed - tenant discovery would be default discovery if no netloc/address provided. | 15:50 |
| zns | #agreed - one 'target' input and no "modes" supplied at command line (ex. NOT mode=tenant-discovery) | 15:51 |
| samstav_ | re: distributing 'max-resources', I am not usre. | 15:51 |
| zns | Maybe we just start with servers and we log an error if we reach maximum resources. | 15:52 |
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| samstav_ | That sounds good | 15:53 |
| zns | Sounds like we have enough alignment to create a blueprint. I'll create one. | 15:53 |
| zns | #action zns create a blueprint for tenant affinity check | 15:54 |
| samstav_ | Cool. I think we are almost out of time but I was hoping we could talk about this for a minute: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Satori/OpinionsProposal | 15:54 |
| zns | #topic Opinions Proposal | 15:54 |
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| zns | GO for it. | 15:54 |
| samstav_ | Can we state that the blueprint proposal still looks good? | 15:55 |
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| zns | We had an in-depth discussion about it a while back I think. Did the discussion results make it into the proposal? | 15:55 |
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| samstav_ | The opinion(s) datastructure in the proposal is pretty loose, as far as having some kind of mapping to the discovery results, primarily speaking, discovered resources. | 15:56 |
| samstav_ | Oh, I didn't read far enough. | 15:57 |
| samstav_ | The opinions live inside of the resource datastructure. | 15:58 |
| samstav_ | So basically, opposite of what I said a few lines ago. | 15:58 |
| zns | I think the proposal looks good. We just need to look up the discussion we had and make sure it includes the outcome of the discussion. | 15:58 |
| samstav_ | Ok. | 15:59 |
| zns | Cool. | 15:59 |
| zns | Thanks, samstav_ (not samstav the imposter) | 15:59 |
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| zns | Thank you gondoi for joining. | 15:59 |
| zns | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 22 15:59:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-09-22-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-09-22-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-09-22-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 22 19:04:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | roll call ? | 19:04 |
| catherine_d | here | 19:04 |
| sslypushenko__ | + | 19:05 |
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| davidlenwell | Okay.. looks like its just us chickens ;) | 19:06 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:06 |
| davidlenwell | So lets dive right in.. | 19:06 |
| davidlenwell | First.. | 19:07 |
| catherine_d | <davidlenwell> do you have any way to contact Rob? | 19:07 |
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| davidlenwell | this is a hard meeting for him to make | 19:07 |
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| davidlenwell | So the first thing I want to talk about is the fact that we have a new core reviewer! | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | Congrats to catherine_d | 19:08 |
| zehicle_at_home | o/ | 19:08 |
| catherine_d | Thank you!!! | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | there he is ! | 19:09 |
| zehicle_at_home | +1 | 19:09 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:09 |
| rockyg | Congratz Catherine_d | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | the gang is all here! | 19:09 |
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| catherine_d | Thanks! | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | So lasat week catherine_d, rockyg and my self.. sat down at oenstack sv | 19:09 |
| davidlenwell | the primary item on our list was dealing with uuids for tests | 19:10 |
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| davidlenwell | we agreed that we would use a portion of todays meeting to toss out ideas for getting around this issue. | 19:11 |
| davidlenwell | and that we'd then spend the next few weeks exploring those options | 19:11 |
| zehicle_at_home | should we start with Julia's list | 19:12 |
| juliashapovalova | o/ | 19:12 |
| catherine_d | whatever options we choose we need to sync the version of tempest that we used to create the list and using the same version to test ... | 19:13 |
| juliashapovalova | it should not be a big problem | 19:13 |
| juliashapovalova | generally Tempest is enhanced with new tests | 19:14 |
| catherine_d | 2 options are being considered: 1) Using a specific SHA 2) Git Labels at a specific time/state | 19:14 |
| juliashapovalova | old obes are reorganazed rarely | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | I don't think git labels is even worth discussing | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | juliashapovalova: that isn't exactly accurate | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | maybe lately they've just been reorginizeing .. but they have been moving things around | 19:15 |
| zehicle_at_home | I'd like to consider the the ID being Date based. | 19:15 |
| zehicle_at_home | so, they'd be 20140922AA | 19:15 |
| juliashapovalova | yeah, i know// | 19:15 |
| zehicle_at_home | we'd start from 20140000000 for the existing body of tests | 19:15 |
| davidlenwell | lets start an etherpad and list these ideas | 19:16 |
| catherine_d | +1 | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | we can use that doc to define the ideas over the next week.. then we'll vote | 19:16 |
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| zehicle_at_home | +1 | 19:16 |
| rockyg | I'm trying to find the link to the etherpad.... | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: im not sure we made one yet for this | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | did we? | 19:16 |
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| rockyg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Refstack-TestID-Approaches | 19:17 |
| rockyg | needs lots of fleshing out... | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. so lets use this pad over the next week.. we'll discuss again in detail next monday. | 19:17 |
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| zehicle_at_home | do we also need to discuss the way we track them? or was the suggestion to have an xref file ok? | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | each method will have different problems in that regard .. bullets should be added under each | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | then we can argue about it and come up with the right solution | 19:21 |
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| zehicle_at_home | can we talk about priorities for the selection? | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | can you elaborate on that? | 19:22 |
| zehicle_at_home | like human readable and able to be used on tempest metadata | 19:22 |
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| davidlenwell | I think the etherpad should open with a description of the problem and what we need o that its very clear | 19:22 |
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| zehicle_at_home | ok | 19:23 |
| rockyg | yeah. list of requirements | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | you can't propose solutions to a problem that isn't clearly spelled out | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | so we'll start with that and move out | 19:23 |
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| juliashapovalova | so do we stick on the xref file for uuid<->full_test_name pairs? | 19:26 |
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| zehicle_at_home | juliashapovalova, I think that's the best plan | 19:28 |
| zehicle_at_home | I have a pull for that already | 19:28 |
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| davidlenwell | we aren't sticking to anything until we've discussed the options | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | sorry guys my dsl has been flakey today | 19:30 |
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| catherine_d | so we should be active in describing the options in the ehterpad for next week's discussion ... | 19:30 |
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| davidlenwell | yes .. everyone should jump in | 19:31 |
| catherine_d | should we move to the next discussion item --> refstack-client for RH and CentOS | 19:31 |
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| zehicle_at_home | I may not be able to make meeting next week | 19:32 |
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| davidlenwell | yes | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | So catherine_d and I were discussing this last week and we both agreed that if we get back to making tcup working and a thing that we don't need to worry about adding support for all the os's in the client | 19:34 |
| zehicle_at_home | +1 | 19:34 |
| davidlenwell | not that we don't want redhat support .. but we also need to pick our battles .. and the docker thing gives us two birds with one stone. | 19:34 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_home: Do you think this would be good work for sslypushenko__? | 19:35 |
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| zehicle_at_home | I can ask him tomorrow, possibly | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko__ | I'm here) | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | he's here now | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | sslypushenko__: what do you think? | 19:36 |
| sslypushenko__ | using docker - it is a good idea | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | Do you think you are up to doing the work? | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko__ | Maybe I will need a details | 19:38 |
| sslypushenko__ | But I can make it | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_home: is the brain trust on this effort so I'll let him guide you on it | 19:38 |
| zehicle_at_home | we can try and get d_qoi on it too | 19:39 |
| zehicle_at_home | we can scope out the work and see about it. I agree on the benefits | 19:39 |
| rockyg | That's what I was thinking. I gotta work on getting salary turned back on for him this week. | 19:39 |
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| zehicle_at_home | do we want it to work like before, or will it be more interactive? | 19:40 |
| zehicle_at_home | I'm thinking interactive env | 19:40 |
| zehicle_at_home | rockyg, he will be delighted to work on it. he has some time | 19:40 |
| rockyg | Yeah, but better if he gets paid;-) | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | I think we want it to work both ways | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | silent running and interactive | 19:41 |
| zehicle_at_home | let's do interactive first | 19:41 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:41 |
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| davidlenwell | yep | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | okay thats agreed | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | anyone have anything else to discuss? | 19:42 |
| zehicle_at_home | board meeting update.... | 19:43 |
| zehicle_at_home | basically not much to report. Board backed away from DefCore recommendations. We're going to be spinning on multiple trademarks instead of a single Core mark | 19:43 |
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| zehicle_at_home | so, it's not certain if OpenStack will be a single thing for commercial or a lot of projects. Right now, it's looking like the later | 19:44 |
| davidlenwell | cool | 19:45 |
| davidlenwell | I actually think that is better | 19:45 |
| zehicle_at_home | that does NOT change Refstack - we still need the data to make decisions | 19:45 |
| davidlenwell | yep | 19:45 |
| catherine_d | does Board still support DefCore, Refstack ...as the tools for trademark | 19:45 |
| davidlenwell | I was just typing that i do not think it effects our mission | 19:45 |
| catherine_d | got it | 19:45 |
| zehicle_at_home | catherine_d, yes. very much | 19:45 |
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| zehicle_at_home | davidlenwell, I think that's easier for the TC but commecially setting us back | 19:46 |
| rockyg | From conversations at OpenStack SV, there is much interest in Refstack for validating interoperability on existing installs. | 19:46 |
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| davidlenwell | zehicle_at_home: I'd recomend reading montys recent blog post on the subject | 19:46 |
| rockyg | And new installs | 19:46 |
| catherine_d | In IBM we have 3 different products to start collecting data ... | 19:46 |
| davidlenwell | rockyg: indeed | 19:46 |
| zehicle_at_home | davidlenwell, will do | 19:47 |
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| davidlenwell | anything else? | 19:47 |
| catherine_d | do we target to have some data for Paris ? | 19:47 |
| rockyg | Also, if we can get operators to test against full test sets, we can get aggregate data for future releases | 19:48 |
| rockyg | If they test against full tempest and submit, we can see what is being run. | 19:48 |
| catherine_d | rockyg: +1 ... so will Huawei test with refstack-client? | 19:49 |
| rockyg | That's an important option fro Refstack. Test group selection by config file, uuids, whatever. | 19:49 |
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| rockyg | catherine_d I need to talk to our guys and one is currently travelling to China, but with you volunteering tech support, I think so. | 19:49 |
| zehicle_at_home | davidlenwell, link to Monty? | 19:50 |
| davidlenwell | http://inaugust.com/post/108 | 19:50 |
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| davidlenwell | This is also a good read .. http://blog.leafe.com/simplifying-openstack/ | 19:50 |
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| davidlenwell | both refer to this .. https://dague.net/2014/08/26/openstack-as-layers/ | 19:50 |
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| davidlenwell | read all three of those and you'll have a pretty good idea of how the tc is thinking about things | 19:51 |
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| davidlenwell | okay .. if nobody has any other topics to discuss I am going to kill it .. as always feel free to jump in #refstack if you need further discussion on something. | 19:54 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 19:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 22 19:54:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-09-22-19.04.html | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-09-22-19.04.txt | 19:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-09-22-19.04.log.html | 19:54 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 22 19:59:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 19:59 |
| redrobot | Hi everyone | 20:00 |
| SheenaG1 | Hey redrobot | 20:00 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda for the Barbican weekly meeting can be found here: | 20:00 |
| SheenaG1 | Happy Monday! | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:00 |
| redrobot | Happy Monday to you too SheenaG1 !!! | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| SheenaG1 | o/ | 20:00 |
| reaperhulk | \o | 20:01 |
| atiwari | o/ | 20:01 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | \o | 20:01 |
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| kaitlin-farr | o/ | 20:01 |
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| chellygel | \o/ | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | lots of barbicaneers! I like it | 20:02 |
| redrobot | The agenda is kind of light today | 20:03 |
| redrobot | so let's get right to it, and maybe we can all go back to work early ^_^ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #topic Kilo Design Sessions | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-kilo-design-sessions | 20:03 |
| redrobot | woodster_ you added an agenda item to talk about a Design Session Topic | 20:03 |
| redrobot | woodster_ do you want to elaborate | 20:04 |
| woodster_ | Ade, Nate and I were looking at the content type field associated with storing/retrieving secrets | 20:04 |
| woodster_ | There has been periodic discussion about content types and Accept headers to retrieve secrets since early in the project | 20:05 |
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| woodster_ | it continues to be a confusing concept, so it I'm proposing discussion about it during Kilo | 20:05 |
| woodster_ | I've detailed the current approach and drawbacks, and a possible approach for Kilo that might improve upon things | 20:06 |
| woodster_ | so just wanted folks to be aware that it was added to the (growing) list of things to consider for Kilo | 20:06 |
| redrobot | Yeah, looks like it's going to be a busy week for sure. | 20:06 |
| woodster_ | at some point we'll need to prioritize things out there | 20:07 |
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| atiwari | woodster_, it it goign to address https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115435/3/specs/juno/support-for-text-plain-order.rst? | 20:08 |
| atiwari | too? | 20:08 |
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| woodster_ | Also folks' names on the right side of the etherpad don't seem to 'stick' with the pad over time, so please add your name to the 'Reviewers | 20:09 |
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| woodster_ | section at the top | 20:09 |
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| woodster_ | atiwari: I think so | 20:09 |
| alee | woodster_, I would think that at some point, we need to start proposing blueprints for the sessions. That will give us something more concrete to consider (and hopefully more details). | 20:09 |
| atiwari | woodster_, that will be helpful | 20:09 |
| atiwari | woodster_, thanks | 20:10 |
| alee | I mean for the specific topics .. | 20:10 |
| redrobot | alee good point. We could open the specs repo for Kilo spec proposals | 20:10 |
| redrobot | atiwari you'll want to resubmit that blueprint for Kilo consideration | 20:10 |
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| alee | redrobot, I didn't know the specs repo was closed .. | 20:11 |
| atiwari | redrobot, we will do | 20:11 |
| woodster_ | atiwari: I think we might want to go further and key the 'content type' to the actual secret type/algorithm | 20:11 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ what is the reviewers section on the etherpad | 20:11 |
| redrobot | alee I added -2 Do Not Merge votes to all pending specs when we past the Juno feature freeze | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | alee I don't think you had any pending blueprints, so maybe you didn't get a Gerrit email saying Feature freeze was in effect. | 20:12 |
| alee | redrobot, ok can we simply change those to kilo then? or to untriaged? and remove the -2? | 20:12 |
| alee | yup | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | alee We can re-target the Launchpad specs to Kilo. I think it would be better to make a new Gerrit CR for the rst file though | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | since the blueprints will go into the new Kilo directory | 20:14 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: I added a 'Reviewers' section at the very top...please add your name out there. The list on the right hand side doesn't seem to persist over time. | 20:15 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ ok | 20:15 |
| alee | woodster_, the colors dont persist either | 20:16 |
| woodster_ | alee: that stinks :\ I always see my text as burnt orange, but apparently as lasting as a Longhorns winning season :) | 20:17 |
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| woodster_ | rellerreller: you can change the color if you want, just not sure if everyone else sees it that way | 20:18 |
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| rellerreller | Should we have a section for each one for voting or anything? | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | Yes, it would be good to vote on what we think is most important to talk about | 20:19 |
| rellerreller | Is the point of the list to down select? What happens to the list next? | 20:20 |
| woodster_ | I guess folks could +1 the ones they really like, or maybe rank them from...maybe from 0 (lowest) on up? | 20:20 |
| redrobot | we will be getting fewer slots for design sessions than we did in atlanta | 20:20 |
| alee | how many slots? | 20:20 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: the original idea was just to gather folks' interests/concerns for the Kilo release | 20:20 |
| redrobot | alee I think we're getting two | 20:20 |
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| rellerreller | When should all interests/concerns be entered into the list before the list is closed? | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | the recommendation from ttx was to pick topics that need feedback from the community as the topics for the official design sessions, then cover anything else during ad-hoc meetings in the barbican table | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | Two slots is not that many. Hopefully we only have two big items to discuss. | 20:22 |
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| woodster_ | I'm not sure how many 'big' items we have...that the greater community cares about. Probably integration related issues. | 20:24 |
| alee | rellerreller, to be honest, I think we'll make more progress in the ad hoc meetings. Many of these topics are pretty specific. | 20:24 |
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| redrobot | alee I agree | 20:24 |
| alee | issue #9 might be a "big" one that we might want more feedback from the community | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | alee yep, #9 definitely fits the bill | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | I also think that #1 is another candidate for a community wide discussion | 20:26 |
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| woodster_ | it might be good to have a session where we invite folks other teams/projects that would like to integrate with Barbican once we integrate (hopefully in Kilo)? | 20:26 |
| alee | woodster_, yeah - that might be a good session in an of itself. | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | Get Nova invited. | 20:27 |
| alee | and glance | 20:27 |
| alee | and keystone | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | We have been trying to integrate Barbican in there for a while now | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | Do we want to take a week to review the ehterpad, then maybe come back with the top 3 topics you'd like to see as a community-wide session? | 20:28 |
| woodster_ | if nothing else, it might identify stakeholders to work with more closely after the summit in the run up to Kilo | 20:28 |
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| alee | woodster_, that idea sounds like a winner - please add it. | 20:28 |
| woodster_ | that sounds good redrobot | 20:29 |
| woodster_ | alee: will do | 20:29 |
| woodster_ | so maybe folks could just put their name and 1st, 2nd or 3rd up there? | 20:29 |
| redrobot | woodster_ yes, that's what I'm thinking | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | (redrbot: 1st) (redrobot: 2nd) etc | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | If we can get that done by this time next week, it should be obvious what we want out scheduled sessions to be | 20:30 |
| alee | where 1st is first preference etc .. | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | yes, for the scheduled community-wide slots | 20:31 |
| alee | when do we need to define our design spots by? | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | we'll cover as much as we can on the other topics at the barbican table | 20:31 |
| rellerreller | Are there any talks on Barbican integration into other services? | 20:32 |
| woodster_ | I'll add that other-teams-integration topic as #0 as it is kind of broad in scope | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | alee I'm not sure yet. Last I saw, every team is using etherpad to plan what they want to talk about, but not sure on when the deadline is. | 20:32 |
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| rellerreller | We have tried to integrate into Nova and Cinder. It would be good to have as many PTLs as possible to get a consensus on how to do that. | 20:32 |
| woodster_ | Note as well the API and MISC sections at the end of the wiki | 20:37 |
| woodster_ | um, etherpad that is | 20:37 |
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| woodster_ | So the RC1 release is Thursday, I think we're trying to land some of these CRs, correct? | 20:39 |
| woodster_ | Can we make that a topic if possible? | 20:39 |
| redrobot | There is no hard date for the release, so if we slip past Thursday it should be ok | 20:40 |
| redrobot | #topic RC1 release | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 20:40 |
| alee | can we start reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117845/ please? I expect there will be changes needed so it would be good to get those comments sooner. | 20:41 |
| woodster_ | what are those tests failing? | 20:41 |
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| alee | also akoneru was having some problems with jenkins -- hoping to get some help with that. | 20:41 |
| woodster_ | test-requirements.txt was updated, but to remove a dependency | 20:41 |
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| alee | woodster_, looks like Double requirement given: pycrypto>=2.6 | 20:42 |
| alee | has that been fixed? | 20:43 |
| woodster_ | alee: you mean also in requirements.txt, correct? | 20:44 |
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| woodster_ | I'm thinking that dep removal isn't needed for the CR, so maybe remove it to see if that affects the tests? | 20:45 |
| alee | either -- the full text of the error is --> Double requirement given: pycrypto>=2.6 (from -r /home/jenkins/workspace/gate-barbican-pep8/test-requirements.txt (line 8)) (already in pycrypto>=2.6 (from -r /home/jenkins/workspace/gate-barbican-pep8/requirements.txt (line 16)), name='pycrypto') | 20:45 |
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| woodster_ | remove that removal that is! | 20:45 |
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| woodster_ | oh I see. So this is a new glitch, lucky you :\ | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | Also, please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118697/ | 20:47 |
| redrobot | it would be awesome to complete that BP for RC1 | 20:47 |
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| alee | woodster_, well lucky akoneru -- but yeah lets discuss this after meeting | 20:47 |
| akoneru | alee, woodster_ : i added pycrypto as part of my CR since i have been getting Jenkins failure for py26 tests when i was using pycrypto in test_dogtag. I am about to update my CR by removing it | 20:47 |
| alee | ah | 20:47 |
| woodster_ | yep, got it | 20:48 |
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| woodster_ | reaperhulk: Could cryptography help with some of these pycrypto calls?: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117845/ I don't think asn1 is available yet, correct? | 20:49 |
| reaperhulk | let me look | 20:50 |
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| woodster_ | So I think we are in decent shape wrt to the juno final roadmap discussion here: | 20:50 |
| woodster_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-juno-final-roadmap | 20:50 |
| reaperhulk | Yeah we'll be handling some of that stuff in a future release, but not quite yet. | 20:50 |
| woodster_ | reaperhulk: sounds good | 20:51 |
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| woodster_ | The standardize to base64 task (3-d) is being fleshed out still but, that discussion is what resulted in the API-2 topic on the Kilo etherpad. | 20:52 |
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| alee | woodster_, there are some comments in the code about TODO convert everything to base 64 -- can we remove those so that we're not confused? | 20:53 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, is the plan to release the python client as soon as the two CRs land, or to wait until the 1-g work (refactor to use Keystone components) is done? | 20:54 |
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| woodster_ | alee: that sounds good | 20:54 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I would like to see the Keystone stuff sorted out before a release | 20:54 |
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| redrobot | Running out of time here, guys. Let's keep an eye on the juno-final etherpad. | 20:55 |
| redrobot | it would also be good to get some bug-squashing in before the RC1 release | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | although we could do some bug squashing for an RC2 | 20:55 |
| woodster_ | sounds good | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | Ok, thanks everyone for coming to the meeting. Please try to review as much stuff as you can in the next few days. | 20:57 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 22 20:57:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-09-22-19.59.html | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-09-22-19.59.txt | 20:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-09-22-19.59.log.html | 20:57 |
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