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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 13:00:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hi there | 13:00 |
| heyongli | hi\ | 13:00 |
| rpothier | hi | 13:00 |
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| irenab | hi | 13:02 |
| baoli | ok, let's get started. | 13:03 |
| baoli | I'd like to go over the list of kilo items: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo_sriov_pci_passthrough | 13:03 |
| heyongli | ok | 13:03 |
| baoli | yongli, I saw that you've signed up on a few things. | 13:04 |
| heyongli | yeah | 13:04 |
| heyongli | intresting | 13:04 |
| baoli | heyongli, that's great | 13:04 |
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| heyongli | i need work harder for the sriov | 13:05 |
| irenab | I am still checking the priority internally, but will assign soon as well | 13:05 |
| heyongli | if we achive covering or priority, it's good, worry about how many thing could be done in one release | 13:06 |
| baoli | heyongli, it also depends on how many people would like to contribute and driver a particular item | 13:07 |
| heyongli | yeah | 13:08 |
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| sadasu_ | Hi! I got disconnected briefly | 13:08 |
| heyongli | just mention, i working on resize bug | 13:08 |
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| sadasu_ | could you pls give me some context for this discussion? | 13:08 |
| sadasu_ | ok | 13:09 |
| heyongli | just begin, sadasu | 13:09 |
| baoli | heyongli, I opened a bug on resize, did you assign it to yourself? | 13:09 |
| heyongli | yeah | 13:09 |
| baoli | heyongli, cool. did you find anything that you can share? | 13:09 |
| irenab | there is also bug with macvtap and hw_veb | 13:10 |
| heyongli | not yet | 13:10 |
| sadasu_ | I am not sure if this was discussed earlier or in other meetings ...but are we tackling the Nova changes to boot SRIOV VMs as a single step this release? | 13:10 |
| heyongli | progress slow on starting, and just few hours spend | 13:10 |
| sadasu_ | but before that what is the bug in macvtap and hw_veb? | 13:10 |
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| baoli | heyongli, be aware that with the sr-iov change, you can't test resize yet | 13:11 |
| itzikb | sadasu_: You can look here https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1370348 | 13:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370348 in nova "Using macvtap vnic_type is not working with vif_type=hw_veb" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 13:11 |
| heyongli | got , baoi | 13:11 |
| baoli | let's finish the resize, and then go over with the macvtap and hw_veb bug | 13:11 |
| sadasu_ | itzikb: thanks! | 13:11 |
| itzikb | baoli: I think I the nova part is fixed - need to push it | 13:12 |
| baoli | heyongli, so you are using icehouse code for testing, right. | 13:12 |
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| baoli | itzikb, that's great | 13:12 |
| heyongli | no, not into that detail now | 13:12 |
| heyongli | just begin | 13:13 |
| itzikb | baoli: There will be a need for Neutron part | 13:13 |
| baoli | heyongli, please keep me in the loop on what you have found on that. I will be touching on that too. | 13:14 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:14 |
| baoli | itzikb, ok, let's talk about this macvtap bug | 13:14 |
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| irenab | as far as I know neutron L2 agent will be required to complete VLAN configuration for macvtap | 13:15 |
| baoli | itzikb, so the fix is to move 'conf.vlan = vlan' inside the 'if' part of the statement | 13:15 |
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| itzikb | baoli: yes | 13:16 |
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| itzikb | baoli: Seems like libvirt doesn't supprot VLAN for 'direct' | 13:16 |
| irenab | I plan to add this support for sriovagent, to apply VLAN for macvtap port | 13:17 |
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| baoli | irenab, that's good | 13:20 |
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| baoli | itzikb, can you also add unit test when you push it up for review? | 13:21 |
| irenab | baoli: but this means that to have macvtap on hw_veb flavor will require agent on compute nodes | 13:22 |
| baoli | irenab, why? | 13:23 |
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| baoli | irenab, you mean since libvirt doesn't support it? | 13:23 |
| itzikb | baoli: probably :-) | 13:23 |
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| irenab | baoli: yes | 13:24 |
| itzikb | baoli: (meant for the unit test..) | 13:24 |
| irenab | baoli: do you have other idea how to apply vlan from nova? | 13:25 |
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| baoli | irenab, not really at this point. | 13:26 |
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| irenab | baoli: seems the best for now is to apply it via neutron agent. Agree? | 13:27 |
| baoli | irenab, how do you apply it? calling the ip utility directly? | 13:27 |
| irenab | baoli: yes, it was a plan | 13:27 |
| baoli | irenab, have you tried it already and did it work? | 13:28 |
| irenab | baoli: yes | 13:28 |
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| baoli | irenab, cool. Do we know why libvirt doesn't support it? | 13:30 |
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| irenab | baoli: I do not know. But it was the information provided on the bug | 13:30 |
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| irenab | do we want to be back to kilo list? | 13:34 |
| baoli | irenab, if we make change in the neutron agent code, then port up/down needs to be coordinated with the agent. | 13:34 |
| baoli | irenab, in this particular case | 13:35 |
| irenab | baoli: not sure what is your concern? | 13:36 |
| irenab | agent will try to set admin state, it may return 'unsupported' from ip link, but not fail the agent | 13:37 |
| baoli | irenab, it's not a concern. But now that the neutron agent is involved in setting up the vlan, it's kind of similar to the traditional agent, in which case, the agent notifies neutron server of port being brought up. | 13:37 |
| irenab | baoli: yes | 13:38 |
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| irenab | it should be depended on agent to configure networking bits | 13:38 |
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| baoli | irenab, let's think about it a bit more, we can also discuss offline. Meanwhile, I'd like to see if we can find out why libvirt doesn't support it, or if we should report a bug on that | 13:38 |
| irenab | baoli: sure | 13:39 |
| sadasu | baoli, irenab: yes, we should spend more time investigating and raising bug again libvirt if required | 13:40 |
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| baoli | irenab, anything else you want to talk about the list? I thought that you still need time determining priority from your side. | 13:40 |
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| sadasu | are we talking about the kilo feautre list? | 13:41 |
| irenab | baoli: for me I need to see what to dive in, we may discuss what others see as critical, required, nuce to have, ... | 13:41 |
| baoli | The big ticket items seem to be 1, 2 | 13:41 |
| heyongli | and seems live migration is obscure now | 13:42 |
| baoli | heyongli, can you clarify? | 13:43 |
| heyongli | i mean , do we have any solution or design? | 13:43 |
| baoli | heyongli, if you still remember, we discussed a couple of solutions already | 13:44 |
| baoli | heyongli, I can dig up the emails, and pass it around again | 13:44 |
| heyongli | like ethernet rename thing? i might forgot -:) | 13:44 |
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| irenab | heyongli: yes, also there is libvirt networks that may be used | 13:45 |
| sadasu | baoli: I think 1, 2 and 3 might be high priority | 13:45 |
| heyongli | irenab,got | 13:45 |
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| sadasu | 3 just because of the fact that now "nova boot" for sr-iov ports is a 2 step process as opposed to 1 step | 13:46 |
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| baoli | does everyone is in favor of changing the vnic-type names? | 13:46 |
| sadasu | baoli: +1 also since it seems like a low-hanging-fruit | 13:47 |
| baoli | sadasu, I don't think it's because of the naming, If I remember it correctly. | 13:47 |
| irenab | I do not think we need just change names | 13:48 |
| sadasu | baoli: yes, not directly related to naming, but I think if we get the naming correct, it might get added as a parameter to "nova boot" | 13:49 |
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| baoli | sadasu, not sure about that. | 13:50 |
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| sadasu | naming by itself may not add value...the feedback I am getting is that this 1 step VM boot is a great feature in Openstack (as opposed to AWS) | 13:50 |
| irenab | sadsu: maybe worth to open discussion on ml? | 13:50 |
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| irenab | I remember there was a discusion regarding nic types | 13:51 |
| sadasu | baoli: let me rephrase...let us focus on getting "nova boot" to be 1 step and if that required re-naming, we can do it | 13:51 |
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| sadasu | yes, lets discuss on ML, since this is a highly subjective thing and we will hear a lot of opinions | 13:52 |
| irenab | sadsu: agree on making nova boot support request for sr-iov | 13:52 |
| baoli | sadasu, I completely agree with you on the one-step thing | 13:52 |
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| irenab | I am not sure that names change is the first step | 13:52 |
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| baoli | we started it up that way, but got rejected. | 13:52 |
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| sadasu | before time runs out, has anyone tried/trying to bring up one VM with an SR-IOV port and a non-SRIOV port? | 13:53 |
| baoli | But I think that it may be time to resume that discussion again. | 13:53 |
| irenab | sadasu: yes | 13:53 |
| baoli | sadasu, I've tested that | 13:53 |
| sadasu | baoli: I agree and I think this time around also it might be difficult!! | 13:53 |
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| irenab | It was with sriovnic and ovs MDs | 13:54 |
| sadasu | baoli: cool | 13:54 |
| heyongli | might hard also this time, but we can discuss on ml | 13:54 |
| baoli | But I think that we should focus on 1 & 2 so that we can have the functionality in place | 13:54 |
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| sadasu | irenab: yes, I have tried to bring up seperate VMs, one with SR-IOV port and another VM with non-sriov port | 13:55 |
| irenab | sadasu: I did it with two different vNICs on same VM | 13:55 |
| sadasu | I was going to try one VM with both ports, just checking if folks expect issues before that | 13:56 |
| baoli | Yeah, it's going to be hard since flavors alway is a hot patato | 13:56 |
| sadasu | irenab: thanks! | 13:56 |
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| irenab | any action items for next week? | 13:57 |
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| baoli | Let's continue with the bugs. Let's look into details of the kilo list, and especially who'd like to contribute or a joint contribution, etc. | 13:58 |
| sadasu | investigate use of VLAN in/with libvirt | 13:58 |
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| irenab | sadsu: for macvtap, right? | 13:58 |
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| baoli | Ok, thanks everyone, see you guys next week. | 13:59 |
| sadasu | irenab: correct | 14:00 |
| heyongli | i agree, seems time up | 14:00 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 14:00:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-09-23-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| irenab | cool, thanks | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-09-23-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-09-23-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| sadasu | thanks! | 14:00 |
| heyongli | see you | 14:00 |
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| sc68cal | who's here for ipv6 | 15:01 |
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| xuhanp | I am here :D | 15:01 |
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| aveiga | hello | 15:01 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 15:02:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| sc68cal | I think since we're in the RC phase, we can have a short meeting | 15:03 |
| xuhanp | sounds great | 15:05 |
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| sc68cal | If there are any bugs that we need to tag for the RC, please let me know, or reach out to the cores | 15:05 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, I mentioned one during the weekly meeting :-) | 15:06 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: cool! :) | 15:06 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, I tried scapy suggested by you last meeting | 15:08 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: any luck? | 15:08 |
| xuhanp | and it works pretty well to send IPv6 neighbor advertisement. | 15:08 |
| sc68cal | excellent! | 15:08 |
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| xuhanp | if we are going that way. we cannot add any dependency on scapy, right? | 15:09 |
| xuhanp | just like radvd? | 15:09 |
| xuhanp | how can we let deployer know we need scapy for this to work? | 15:10 |
| sc68cal | We can add a dependency for it | 15:10 |
| sc68cal | probably not in time for Juno, but for K | 15:10 |
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| xuhanp | in global requirement file? | 15:11 |
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| sc68cal | probably just in neutron's - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/requirements.txt | 15:12 |
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| aveiga | I don't see the other projects needing to send a custom packet like that, so as sc68cal suggested just keep it in the neutron reqs | 15:13 |
| aveiga | making it global is likely to ruffle some feathers | 15:13 |
| clarkb | it has to be in global to be in neutron | 15:13 |
| xuhanp | OK. I am not so familiar with requirement before. I thought it's for pip install only | 15:13 |
| xuhanp | for example, I don't see radvd or dnsmasq showing in the file | 15:14 |
| clarkb | and yes for pip installed requirements | 15:14 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: that's because radvd and dnsmasq are not python libraries | 15:14 |
| sc68cal | scapy is a python library | 15:14 |
| xuhanp | OK. will check that. | 15:14 |
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| sc68cal | clarkb: thanks for the info | 15:15 |
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| sc68cal | if there is no other business I'll end the meeting | 15:19 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, I have one more quick question for extra dhcp opts | 15:20 |
| xuhanp | since this is left from dhcpv6 BP | 15:20 |
| sc68cal | sure | 15:20 |
| xuhanp | the problem was we need to specify extra dhcp opts for v6 and v4 since one port can have both v4 and v6 address. If everyone remembers this. | 15:21 |
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| sc68cal | yep, I remember now | 15:21 |
| xuhanp | My plan is to add one prefix to the opt value | 15:21 |
| xuhanp | sorry option name | 15:21 |
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| xuhanp | like: v6:dns-server | 15:21 |
| xuhanp | instead of dns-server | 15:22 |
| xuhanp | in this way we don't need to change the API format | 15:22 |
| xuhanp | but I would like to hear your comments on this. | 15:22 |
| xuhanp | since user need to specify v6 or v4 for each opt now. | 15:22 |
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| xuhanp | another option is changing the API format to extra_dhcp_option：{ | 15:23 |
| xuhanp | 'ipv4':{list_of_opt_dicts}, | 15:23 |
| xuhanp | 'ipv6':{list_of_opt_dicts}, | 15:23 |
| xuhanp | } | 15:23 |
| sc68cal | ^ I think that is probably more clear | 15:23 |
| xuhanp | the second one? | 15:24 |
| sc68cal | yes | 15:24 |
| xuhanp | do we need backward compatibility for API | 15:24 |
| xuhanp | I am not sure if I can just go ahead and change that. | 15:24 |
| sc68cal | If they don't specify the ipv4 key, and just send values | 15:25 |
| sc68cal | then stick it in the ipv4 key | 15:25 |
| sc68cal | to preserve backwards compat | 15:25 |
| xuhanp | you mean treating IPv4 as default? | 15:25 |
| sc68cal | yeah - would that work | 15:25 |
| sc68cal | ? | 15:25 |
| xuhanp | so those opts will not applied for IPv6? | 15:26 |
| xuhanp | then we need to do a lot of checking like if IPv6 is the only address on this port, ect.. | 15:26 |
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| xuhanp | ect -> etc | 15:26 |
| sc68cal | yep. | 15:26 |
| xuhanp | Oh. maybe we can use the ML to discuss this to gather more opinions. | 15:27 |
| sc68cal | not fun, but they didn't think of dhcpv6 when they made the api | 15:27 |
| xuhanp | yep | 15:27 |
| xuhanp | I agree the second one is much more clear | 15:27 |
| sc68cal | ML sounds like a good idea | 15:27 |
| xuhanp | sounds good. I will make a discussion then | 15:27 |
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| sc68cal | anything else to discuss? | 15:29 |
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| sc68cal | ok everyone, thanks for attending | 15:36 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 15:37:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-09-23-15.02.html | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-09-23-15.02.txt | 15:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-09-23-15.02.log.html | 15:37 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 16:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-09-23_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
| roshanagr | Roshan Agrawal | 16:00 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 16:00 |
| julienvey | Julien Vey (have to leave at :30) | 16:00 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 16:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | Devdatta Kulkarni | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | julienvey: Acknowledged, thanks. | 16:00 |
| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Welcome everyone | 16:02 |
| muralia | murali allada | 16:02 |
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| ravips | Ravi Sankar Penta | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | would any members of the team like to make announcements today? | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | dimtruck (with help from PaulCzar) will investigate using wsme | 16:04 |
| dimtruck | this is still in progress | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm not sure exactly what that is about | 16:04 |
| dimtruck | oh context - sorry | 16:04 |
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| dimtruck | during our testing we found an issue with wsgiref where it creates a thread that doesn't complete on responses that aren't mapped in wsgi | 16:05 |
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| dimtruck | in our example, if we don't have a method in pecan for POST /, PUT /, DELETE / | 16:05 |
| devkulkarni1 | I am looking for the bug. I think we have added it | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | do we need a ticket for that in the bug system, or is tracking it as an #action here suitable? | 16:05 |
| dimtruck | then you can simply curl to it and DOS our application | 16:05 |
| dimtruck | there's a bug out there already | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | we can add a bug in an Incomplete state if we don't know ywt how to reproduce, etc. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's reference that here with a #link | 16:06 |
| dimtruck | it's reproduceable...one sec. getting it | 16:06 |
| devkulkarni1 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1367473 | 16:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367473 in solum "PATCH requests are not supported in documented apis" [Undecided,New] | 16:06 |
| stannie | dimtruck: so it's more pecan related right? | 16:06 |
| devkulkarni1 | sorry that is the wrong link | 16:06 |
| dimtruck | well, it's more wsgiref simple_server | 16:06 |
| dimtruck | not really pecan per se | 16:06 |
| stannie | ok | 16:07 |
| dimtruck | in the bug i listed a link where the suggestion is to not use wsgiref in production applications | 16:07 |
| devkulkarni1 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1367470 | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | ok, Iaqnd I see a review posted against that bug | 16:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367470 in solum "Solum api hangs on non GET root requests" [Undecided,New] | 16:07 |
| dimtruck | that's the one! | 16:08 |
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| devkulkarni1 | the correct bug is 1367470 | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | aha, I see, thanks for bringing me up to speed | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | so it looks like we can drop this as an action item for next week, and consider this one complete, since it is tracked elsewhere. Agreed? | 16:08 |
| devkulkarni1 | sure | 16:09 |
| dimtruck | agreeed | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | we can always look at it during the BP/Task/Bug section if we want cross team discussion | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | ok, cool, let's look at the next AI | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | ravips will investigate f20 gate for failing barbican tests and come back with a suggestion for whether to make f20 non-voting | 16:09 |
| ravips | sure, I did some experiments on F20 yesterday | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122782/ Patch for f20 | 16:10 |
| ravips | some background on the problem: plan create involving private repo is failing on f20 during barbican secret deletion | 16:10 |
| ravips | devstack + barbican => No issues (tested create/delete secret using python barbican client) | 16:10 |
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| ravips | devstack + barbican + solum => able to reproduce the exact issue (stacktrace: http://paste.openstack.org/show/114446/) | 16:11 |
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| ravips | I need to debug further to narrow down the issue | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, we have seen intermittent issues over a relatively long history with gate tests failing on delete actions | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | but it does not always happen, so we might have a lurking bug somewhere | 16:12 |
| ravips | someting we use in solum is trigged a bug in barbican | 16:13 |
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| ravips | I will update once i have more details | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: do you feel equipped to continue with the troubleshooting, or do you need help from another team member or members? | 16:13 |
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| ravips | i started this yesterday, I think I should be able to narrow down the issue today | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks ravips | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | that concludes our action item review | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | check_uptodate.sh handling (devkulkarni) | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1372959 | 16:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1372959 in solum "check_uptodate handling" [Undecided,New] | 16:15 |
| devkulkarni1 | please take a look at the bug description | 16:15 |
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| devkulkarni1 | the gist is that can we do something about check_uptodate so that we don't get -1 votes for things that might have changed upstream | 16:15 |
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| gpilz | I'm not sure why we even have a static solum.conf if we can generate the default | 16:16 |
| datsun180b | ^^ | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so if we had a separate gate test for the config test, and it were a nonvoting job that might work well enough | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | so taht we get a clue when the configuration goes stale, but it does not halt all work | 16:17 |
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| devkulkarni1 | sure.. I don't have a preference as long as work can continue | 16:18 |
| ravips | yeah that works as well | 16:18 |
| datsun180b | would it be right to compare that to our "update from global requirements" reviews at least in tone? | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: It's traditional for Linux software to include a <project>.conf file with the various options listed | 16:18 |
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| devkulkarni1 | datsun180b: sure.. where are you going with that? | 16:19 |
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| datsun180b | just to get a feel for severity/priority | 16:19 |
| gpilz | adrian: I understand the need to include a <project>.conf file | 16:19 |
| devkulkarni1 | are you saying we treat the failing non-voting check_uptodate check as the trigger to go generate one | 16:19 |
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| gpilz | but, if we have the ability to generate a conf file with the default settings from our code, why not just go with that? | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: yes | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: I think that should be part of the gate test, actually | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | the generation of the file | 16:20 |
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| devkulkarni1 | adrian_otto: but we are not generating the thing to compare to by hand so what does the gate test achieve? | 16:21 |
| ravips | btw, generate_stample_conf on vagrant doesn't match with what the gate is expecting, 'host' on vagrant is returning solum and gate expects localhost..anyone experienced this case? | 16:21 |
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| datsun180b | right, our sample conf gets modified during setup and we'd probably do to stem that if we can help it | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: we are detecting the case where configuration settings change in other projects, right? | 16:22 |
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| datsun180b | simply spinning up the vagrant environment and doing nothing else is enough to change the sample conf | 16:23 |
| stannie | adrian_otto: yes | 16:23 |
| devkulkarni1 | ravips: good to know.. I think we need to change vagrant env so that it is consistent with the gate | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: +1 | 16:23 |
| ravips | adrian_otto: so we will move check_update script to some existing non-voting job or we going to create a new one? | 16:24 |
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| datsun180b | i say new job, and take the sqlalchemy check with it so our pep8 env only runs flake8 | 16:25 |
| devkulkarni1 | adrian_otto: yes, that is the purpose of the gate test. what I was saying was, do we want to use gate to tell us that our conf is stale vs | 16:25 |
| datsun180b | sorry, alembic branches | 16:25 |
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| devkulkarni1 | say, adding documentation to our release notes that tells the operator to generate the file | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | we should just add it to the setup_install.py code | 16:26 |
| devkulkarni1 | ravips: we should create a new tox environment and new job.. let the conf checking be its own thing | 16:26 |
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| devkulkarni1 | if we want to check it at all in the first place | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | maybe we don't need to check it if we always auto-generate it at install time | 16:27 |
| gpilz | +1 | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | so you just get a current solum.conf file each time you install Solum | 16:27 |
| ravips | adding to non-voting job may not be effective, I don't know how many of us will look at the failing tests for the non-voting jobs | 16:27 |
| gpilz | all we are really checking for is the ability of contributors to properly cut & paste | 16:27 |
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| devkulkarni1 | ravips: you make a valid point :) | 16:27 |
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| ravips | I like adding doc to our release notes | 16:28 |
| ravips | or at least a blocker bug every release to generate the conf file | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: so that you have to RTFM to find out how to make a config file? That seems awkward to me. | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | oh, so that I do it when I tag releases? | 16:28 |
| ravips | yes | 16:29 |
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| devkulkarni1 | is there a way to create such bugs? | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | that occurred to me, but I thought that might not be as good between releases when the upstream changes happen | 16:29 |
| devkulkarni1 | or is it just a mental note that the release manager has to keep | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | it might actually cause gate tests to fail for apparently unknown reasons, which is probably why we have this to begin with, right? | 16:30 |
| ravips | we can create a new tag, release-essential or some other better name | 16:30 |
| devkulkarni1 | good point about upstream changes between releases | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | the static conf file is a way to check what the config was last time | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | and the generated content is a way to check what is expected now | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | but if we auto-generate config upon every install and every gate test run, then this would not matter | 16:31 |
| devkulkarni1 | right (to the last sentence) | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | so we have a pre-test hook for every gate job, right? | 16:32 |
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| devkulkarni1 | what do you mean? | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | we can specify scripts to run before tests do, right? | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni1 | oh! | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni1 | don't know enough to comment on it | 16:33 |
| dimtruck | it does | 16:33 |
| dimtruck | we can | 16:33 |
| dimtruck | in devstack_gate | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | assuming that's possible, we can make the config generate script a pre-test hook script. | 16:34 |
| ravips | most of the time, new changes to conf file are not related to solum..we only care about the fields of other openstack projects that we use (like keystone). I don't think we need to run this script frequently..if something has changed in the upstream that affects us, our tests will catch it (assuming we have good coverage) | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: yes, but we might not know why it's failing | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | having hte automatred config test may save us a lot of research time | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | that's where a non-voting gate test might be handy | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | if the other func tests, fail, we can look to see if the config test failed | 16:35 |
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| devkulkarni1 | actually yeah.. even if there is a stale conf, a failing job will point us in the right direction | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | and if it did, we can resolve that first | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | and if no tests failed, then who cares until it causes a problem | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | ;-) | 16:37 |
| ravips | yeah, non-voting job might be useful in case of voting job failures | 16:37 |
| devkulkarni1 | I am leaning towards keeping the check in a non-voting gate | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: +1 | 16:37 |
| ravips | +1 | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | any alternate points of view to consider? | 16:38 |
| datsun180b | agree, make it non-voting | 16:38 |
| muralia | yup | 16:38 |
| gpilz | +1 | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed to resolve bug 1372959 we will use a non-voting gate test for configuration file testing. | 16:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1372959 in solum "check_uptodate handling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372959 | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni1 | cool | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: please update the bug accordingly, referencing team meeting on 2014-09-23 | 16:39 |
| devkulkarni1 | yeah, will do that | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that brings us to our next sub-topic which is similar in nature | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | strategy to sync up openstack/common in solum with upstream (devkulkarni) | 16:40 |
| devkulkarni1 | yes.. so this came up today with my discussion with stannie | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | so some backstory here | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: you can go first if you like | 16:40 |
| devkulkarni1 | actually, I am myself interested in the story.. so you go first | 16:40 |
| devkulkarni1 | as in listening to it.. don't know the context | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so Solum used to be listed in the openstack projects.txt | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | meaning that it was forced to use only requirements that other openstack projects were allowed to use | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | when we began using mistral's client and barbican client, that became problematic | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | because these were dependencies that other projects were not yet allowed to use | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | so the only solution that would unjam our project was to break that link with the check against global-requirements.txt and proceed with what we needed | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | so that leaves us without the convenience of the automated requirements bot that comes around and finds dependencies that are out of sync, and submits reviews to update them. aka: "reviewbot" or something? | 16:43 |
| noorul | what is the link between this and openstack/common (oslo) ? | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | so we would like an equivalent of that for our own use that disregards our unique list of exceptions from the global-requirements.txt list. | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | noorul: in all honesty I don't know. | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni1 | noorul: exactly my question | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | I think there is something that can generate diffs,a nd can submit those as reviews as well, but I'm not completely sure | 16:45 |
| noorul | they are different | 16:45 |
| devkulkarni1 | adrian_otto: I was referring to the python code that we have in solum/openstack/common/* | 16:45 |
| stannie | the question is when should we (what frequency) sync oslo openstack/common | 16:45 |
| devkulkarni1 | we have that code since the beginning of the project | 16:45 |
| noorul | We can bring in a policy for this | 16:45 |
| noorul | I mean for oslo sync | 16:45 |
| devkulkarni1 | how/when we sync that up? what is the repo from which it is copied? is there a better way than copying over all the code? | 16:46 |
| stannie | we didn't sync openstack.common for a long time which leaves us to have some bug not fixed etc | 16:46 |
| stannie | there is a script to sync the modules | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so look | 16:46 |
| noorul | long time? | 16:46 |
| noorul | I think Angus synced to recently | 16:46 |
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| stannie | ok | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | what we can do on an immediate basis is to have one of us submit such a patch as a review to our project | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni1 | stannie: exactly.. we will be in that situation as long as we are maintaining that code on our side as well | 16:47 |
| noorul | especially the DB part and oslotest | 16:47 |
| noorul | and I did sync python-solumclient | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | then we can decide if we want an automated updating thing (one may exist that we can leverage) | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni1 | noorul: true.. but I don't think we have synced up everything | 16:47 |
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| noorul | may be for solum some modules are left | 16:48 |
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| stannie | noorul do you know what is the policy on other projects? | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni1 | noorul: but the basic question I have is, is this the only approach for us? | 16:48 |
| noorul | stannie: not sure | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | I could check in the the Oslo team to ask what they recommend, and ask what we should be reading about if there is already written advice for this. | 16:48 |
| noorul | here either me or Angus used to sync | 16:48 |
| devkulkarni1 | that to keep that code in our repo | 16:48 |
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| adrian_otto | if there is a way to shed that code, and just use a requirement on an Dslo release, that would be my strong preference. | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | s/Dslo/Oslo/ | 16:49 |
| devkulkarni1 | +1 .. but I believe there might not be otherwise we would have already pursued that option | 16:49 |
| devkulkarni1 | and that is why I want to hear from noorul or others if there are any technical roadblocks for us for not pursuing that opion | 16:50 |
| devkulkarni1 | s/opion/option/ | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I am willing to take an action item to do some research and report back next week | 16:50 |
| devkulkarni1 | sounds good adrian_otto | 16:50 |
| noorul | I think for core projects someone from oslo team syncs it | 16:51 |
| noorul | but for stackforge I think it is upto us | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to investigate using alternatives to openstack/common in Solum, and report back to the team with options. | 16:51 |
| devkulkarni1 | noorul: that is good to know.. but the question is, is keeping that code in each project's repo the only option? | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | noorul: makes sense | 16:51 |
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| noorul | devkulkarni1: YEs | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we are running low on time | 16:52 |
| noorul | devkulkarni1: But some of them will be factored out to other packages | 16:52 |
| gpilz | shoot | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | so let's touch on the last sub-topic before Open Discussion | 16:52 |
| gpilz | I wanted to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117056/ | 16:52 |
| noorul | devkulkarni1: Like test module was factored out to oslotest | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | gpilz: hang on, we will revisit that | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | Etherpad for things to discuss at Paris summit (devkulkarni) | 16:52 |
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| noorul | devkulkarni1: As and when things matures then will create new packages for different modules | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni1 | so I added that last week.. do we see a need for such a etherpad? | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: Did we start one, or are you suggesting we start one? | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni1 | I haven't started one. I am asking should we start one? | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | I should have mentioned at the Announcements section | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni1 | I think it will be good to have | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | I applied for Solum to be in the Design Summit, and our application was accepted yesterday | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | so we will be on the official program | 16:54 |
| devkulkarni1 | oh cool!! congratulations all | 16:54 |
| dimtruck | awesome! | 16:54 |
| ravips | nice! | 16:54 |
| roshanagr | good news! | 16:54 |
| muralia | woohoo! | 16:54 |
| datsun180b | good to hear | 16:54 |
| gpilz | woot! | 16:54 |
| noorul | Wow | 16:55 |
| noorul | cool | 16:55 |
| noorul | how many of you will be there? | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | so although many of us will not be able to attend for travel budgeting reasons, we will hold design sessions with those who can attend. | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | I will attend. | 16:56 |
| gpilz | I just got my travel approval | 16:56 |
| ravips | mine is still pending | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | Rackers will not know until later | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | but I will go even if Rackspace does not send me | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to email a link to a Paris Summit topics etherpad to the ML | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | Gil, you asked about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117056/ | 16:58 |
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| datsun180b | oh so the topic in #solum mentions our next meeting is at the end of last june | 16:58 |
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| gpilz | yes - Devdatta has a −1 against it | 16:59 |
| ravips | adrian_otto: any updates on solum incubation request? | 16:59 |
| devkulkarni1 | gpilz: yeah, I thought there were some concerns | 16:59 |
| devkulkarni1 | will be reviewing it if those are resolved | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: thanks. Fixed. | 16:59 |
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| gpilz | devdatta: adrian assures me that those concerns have been addressed | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: OpenStack is having an identity crisis about the integrated release right now | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | so let's talk about it in Paris | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | or in #solum | 17:00 |
| ravips | okay | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | gpilz: okay | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 17:00:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-23-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-23-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-09-23-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| jdob | o/ | 19:01 |
| tchaypo | Morning | 19:01 |
| lifeless | morning | 19:01 |
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| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 19:03:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:03 |
| lifeless | * bugs | 19:03 |
| lifeless | * reviews | 19:03 |
| lifeless | * Projects needing releases | 19:03 |
| lifeless | * CD Cloud status | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| lifeless | * CI | 19:03 |
| derekh | hi all | 19:03 |
| lifeless | * Tuskar | 19:03 |
| lifeless | * Specs | 19:03 |
| lifeless | * open discussion | 19:03 |
| lifeless | good morning everyone | 19:03 |
| derekh | good morning | 19:04 |
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| lifeless | ok, lets roll | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:05 | |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:05 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:06 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:06 |
| lifeless | criticals | 19:06 |
| lifeless | bug 1263294 - mkerrin | 19:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1263294 in tripleo "ephemeral0 of /dev/sda1 triggers 'did not find entry for sda1 in /sys/block'" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1263294 | 19:06 |
| lifeless | bug 1361235 - slagle | 19:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1361235 in tripleo "visit horizon failure because of import module failure" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1361235 | 19:06 |
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| tchaypo | I spoke to mkerrin about 1263294 last week | 19:07 |
| tchaypo | he's no longer able to spend any time working on that. | 19:07 |
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| lifeless | so we should unassign him | 19:07 |
| lifeless | not working on it == not assignee | 19:08 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: can you do that? | 19:08 |
| tchaypo | I've been meaning to update the issue but I haven't been able to figure out a new assignee | 19:08 |
| tchaypo | I can unassign, yes | 19:08 |
| lifeless | I'm really pleased to see only two criticals | 19:08 |
| slagle | lifeless: going to drop that one to high since the workaround has been committed | 19:08 |
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| lifeless | slagle: cool | 19:08 |
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| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:10 |
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| lifeless | #info There's a new dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 19:10 |
| lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:10 |
| lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:10 |
| lifeless | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:10 |
| lifeless | 19:11 | |
| lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:11 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 10 days, 1 hours, 14 minutes | 19:11 |
| lifeless | 1st quartile wait time: 4 days, 8 hours, 42 minutes | 19:11 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 6 days, 12 hours, 1 minutes | 19:11 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 12 days, 17 hours, 27 minutes | 19:11 |
| lifeless | we're still getting worse :( | 19:11 |
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| tchaypo | huh. I could have sworn we'd dropped down when I checked a few days ago | 19:11 |
| tchaypo | I'd love to get some charting on that | 19:11 |
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| lifeless | ahha | 19:12 |
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| lifeless | here is a case of it doing the wrong thing | 19:12 |
| tchaypo | It's not much worse - last week was 3rd quartile wait time: 12 days, 10 hours, 16 minutes | 19:12 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109163/ | 19:12 |
| tchaypo | and the week before that was 15 days | 19:12 |
| lifeless | that was in workflow -1 until today | 19:12 |
| lifeless | it should be counting it as one day old | 19:12 |
| lifeless | not 60 | 19:12 |
| derekh | this looks to be getting better | 19:12 |
| derekh | Queue growth in the last 30 days: 10 (0.3/day) | 19:13 |
| lifeless | I'll file a bug for the reviewstats mis-count there | 19:13 |
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| lifeless | any specific reviews folk want to ask for help on? | 19:14 |
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| tchaypo | slightly related topic - now only 9 people making the 3-reviews-per-workday cutoff over the last 30, and 1 of them (me) is not core | 19:15 |
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| tchaypo | there was a review mentioned in #tripleo earlier | 19:15 |
| tchaypo | 02:39:17 derekh Would sombody take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123425/ , I'd love to see the ubuntu overcloud job passing again | 19:15 |
| derekh | tchaypo: if it was my one, its merged now | 19:15 |
| tchaypo | very good :) | 19:15 |
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| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1373084 | 19:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1373084 in openstack-ci "reviewstats not considering workflow -1 status when aging reviews" [Undecided,New] | 19:17 |
| lifeless | if you want a better whoa-these-are-old, consider patching that bug :) | 19:17 |
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| lifeless | #topic projects needing releases | 19:17 |
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| lifeless | do we have a wolunteer ? | 19:17 |
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| lifeless | I'll put my hand up then | 19:21 |
| lifeless | #info lifeless to release the world | 19:21 |
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| lifeless | #topic CD cloud status | 19:21 |
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| lifeless | AFAIK rh1 is fine | 19:22 |
| lifeless | derekh: any update on the qualification of hp1? | 19:22 |
| derekh | lifeless: yup, no rh1 issues I'm aware of | 19:22 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: any update on the deploy of hp2 ? | 19:22 |
| lifeless | #info RH1 nominal | 19:22 |
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| tchaypo | Just the usual. It turns out that deploying openstack as a novice is hard. | 19:23 |
| tchaypo | I made good progress yesterday, but that ended with realising that some of the error message I'd been chasing seem to be normal and not related to the failures I'm seeing | 19:23 |
| derekh | hp1 is pretty much ready, I was waiting on some patches to merge one for nova and one for neutron | 19:23 |
| derekh | but I'm now pulling them into CI | 19:23 |
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| lifeless | #info HP2 ready just job changes pending | 19:24 |
| lifeless | erm | 19:24 |
| tchaypo | so I'm stepping back from those errors today to try to figure out why we only get exactly 5 nodes succesfully built in the overcloud | 19:24 |
| lifeless | #undo | 19:24 |
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| lifeless | #info HP1 ready just job changes pending | 19:24 |
| derekh | so we can move ahead, I'll propese the patch to add it back tommorow, once I check nothin else is outstanding | 19:24 |
| tchaypo | I suspect this is the nova race condition | 19:24 |
| lifeless | #info HP2 deployment proceeding | 19:24 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: I think you might like to buddy with someone (e.g. me) | 19:24 |
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| tchaypo | I would, if you have the time. Talk to you after this meeting? | 19:25 |
| lifeless | sure | 19:26 |
| lifeless | #topic CI | 19:26 |
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| derekh | So I got a few items here :-) | 19:26 |
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| derekh | A couple of outages since the last meeting | 19:26 |
| derekh | Ironic changed their ssh string (to one the wasn't whitelisted for a test env), ironic jobs failed | 19:26 |
| derekh | patch revert, ci working ok again then new testenvs deployed, patch commited again | 19:26 |
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| lifeless | #info CI outages: Ironic changed ssh strings again, fixed | 19:27 |
| derekh | Failures to get oslo.messaging >= 1.4.0, all CI test failed | 19:27 |
| derekh | Our squid was caching the pypi index for upto 3 days, manually changed it to 1 day, and submitted a patch to change the squid element to 1 day | 19:27 |
| derekh | Ubuntu overcloud jobs has been failing for WEEKS... I mentioned it last week hoping somebody would figue out why.. | 19:27 |
| lifeless | #info CI outages: Squid over-caching the pypi index | 19:27 |
| derekh | I spent a day or two digging into this and the long at the short of it is, 2G VM's wasn't enough, | 19:27 |
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| derekh | I've redployed Testenvs with 3G VM's and properse we do the same for devtest https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123453/ | 19:27 |
| lifeless | #info Ubuntu overcloud jobs failing due to 2G VMs re too small | 19:27 |
| derekh | I'd like to see if everybody is ok with that ? And at the same time get a feel for peoples thoughts on moving to x86_64 vs. x86 testing... | 19:28 |
| lifeless | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123453/ | 19:28 |
| lifeless | derekh: I entirely support CI running adm64 | 19:28 |
| lifeless | erm | 19:28 |
| lifeless | amd64 | 19:28 |
| slagle | 3G likely won't be enough for 64bit | 19:28 |
| lifeless | yeah | 19:28 |
| slagle | according to my local testing | 19:28 |
| slagle | 3.5G at least | 19:28 |
| lifeless | I don;'t think local dev using amd64 by default would fit with the consensus from the midcycle on dev vs ci | 19:29 |
| derekh | ya, so thats the trade off, if we do 64 bit we loose some capacity, although now that we are using 3G VM's | 19:29 |
| derekh | 3 VS.s 4 isn't as big a hop and 2 -> 4G | 19:29 |
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| lifeless | derekh: if we can get HP2 live, we have a lot more capacity ;) | 19:29 |
| tchaypo | derekh: if I'm reading you correctly, you're saying we need 3G for 32-bit and 4G for 64-bit? | 19:29 |
| derekh | tchaypo: well to be more accurate we need > 2G (not sure the exact requirment) for 32bit | 19:30 |
| derekh | I've set it to 3 to avoid fractions | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 19:31 |
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| tchaypo | From memory, a full-HA undercloud + full-ha overcloud control + 1 overcloud compute node + seed == 8 VMs, so 24Gb? | 19:31 |
| derekh | ok, so I'm kind of on the fence so if there are no votes for sticking with 32bit lets make the move | 19:32 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: I have put two repeating meetings in my work calendar | 19:32 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: one at each time | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | I have no problem with doing the needful in CI, but I'd like us to think about how to get a useful setup for devs | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | 19:32 | |
| SpamapS | Yeah I should do that and mark it every 2 weeks | 19:32 |
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| lifeless | derekh: lets get HP1 live first | 19:32 |
| tchaypo | Make sure you put it into GMT timezone so it doesn't drift over daylight savings changes :) | 19:32 |
| lifeless | derekh: so that we're not changing what we assessed mid-stream | 19:32 |
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| derekh | tchaypo: ya it all adds up | 19:33 |
| derekh | lifeless: ok | 19:33 |
| derekh | I've also proposed that we bring the ubuntu job back running on tripleo tripleo so it doesn't get into a unreliable state again | 19:33 |
| derekh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122099/ ( as CI has been failing most of the time for pretty much all non tripleo projects for the last few weeks) | 19:33 |
| derekh | Also Note we are no longer setting tripleo control variables in infra/config | 19:33 |
| derekh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122122/ | 19:33 |
| derekh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122504/ | 19:33 |
| lifeless | we're not? | 19:34 |
| lifeless | ah ok | 19:34 |
| lifeless | derekh: so I think we need to assess a couple things | 19:34 |
| lifeless | derekh: firstly, nova is dropping nova-bm | 19:34 |
| lifeless | do we start testing last-stable-release-of-nova-bm | 19:34 |
| lifeless | or do we stop testing it | 19:35 |
| derekh | I suppose, do we expect anybody to be using it ? | 19:36 |
| lifeless | I sure hope not :) | 19:36 |
| derekh | we currently have 3 novabm jobs we can start by dropping that to 1 | 19:36 |
| lifeless | they give somewhat other coverage too I thought, so maybe some switch to ironic | 19:37 |
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| derekh | lifeless: yes, well thats what I meant, I wasn't going to just throw them away :-) | 19:37 |
| lifeless | I don't think we can commit here to this - but can I get a volunteer to propose this to the list? | 19:37 |
| derekh | lifeless: I can do it | 19:37 |
| lifeless | #info derekh to raise nova-bm removal from nova implications to tripleo testing on list | 19:38 |
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| lifeless | derekh: thanks | 19:38 |
| derekh | And the last thing I have to copy and paste in here is | 19:38 |
| derekh | All the syslog changes are finished to make the fedora/ubuntu logs consistent with each other so we finally have usable os-collect-config logs in logstash once this merges | 19:38 |
| derekh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122466/ | 19:38 |
| lifeless | \o/ fantastic | 19:38 |
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| lifeless | derekh: secondly, that squid thing | 19:39 |
| tchaypo | g15 | 19:39 |
| lifeless | derekh: I think we'd get much better results using a pypi mirror :) | 19:39 |
| lifeless | derekh: but I realise thats something for later, I just worry that we're going to spend time chasing fine tuning of the cache | 19:40 |
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| derekh | lifeless: possibly, now that I have hopefully finished with hp1, I intend to look at the CI spec and start working through its other items | 19:40 |
| lifeless | cool | 19:40 |
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| lifeless | ok, thats all I can remember | 19:41 |
| lifeless | were there other CI things? | 19:41 |
| derekh | I'm done | 19:41 |
| lifeless | #topic tuskar | 19:41 |
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| lifeless | no tuskar folk here today? | 19:42 |
| jdob | here, sorry | 19:42 |
| lifeless | #topic specs | 19:42 |
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| tchaypo | I'm curious to see how devpi handles the load | 19:42 |
| lifeless | #undo | 19:42 |
| jdob | nothing spectcaular to report though | 19:42 |
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| lifeless | jdob: kk | 19:42 |
| jdob | or a word that looks like that | 19:43 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: I was proposing bandersnatch, not devpi :) | 19:43 |
| lifeless | #topic specs | 19:43 |
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| tchaypo | I know :) Bandersnatch doesn't mirror everything though | 19:43 |
| lifeless | any specs for discussion ? | 19:43 |
| tchaypo | my understanding is that it will only cache packages hosted on pypi, it won't follow links to external packages. But that's a smaller case we can probably solve with a bit of squid | 19:44 |
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| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 19:45 |
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| tchaypo | So all the specs we've approved so far are int he juno folder | 19:45 |
| tchaypo | I'm wondering if that's helpful, given that we on't follow the usual release cycle | 19:45 |
| tchaypo | we have at least one open spec which i think is ready to land - but I can't give it a +1 because it's sitting in the folder above /juno, so it needs at least one more revision just to move it | 19:46 |
| lifeless | is it important enough to bikeshed on vs the other project spec repos? | 19:46 |
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| tchaypo | Perhaps. My understanding is that for other projects, having a spec in 'juno' means they've committed to landing it before that release | 19:47 |
| tchaypo | have we made that committment? If yes, then it's not worth bikeshedding on; if we just mean "this spec was finalised during juno" then maybe" | 19:47 |
| tchaypo | I'm happy to leave it for later, it's not something that needs to be solved right now. | 19:48 |
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| SpamapS | Hi... just wanted to bring up that the tripleo-ansible repository has landed in stackforge. | 19:48 |
| tchaypo | moving on to other business.. | 19:48 |
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| lifeless | #info tripleo-ansibe repository now live in stackforge | 19:48 |
| lifeless | So | 19:49 |
| SpamapS | It is not entirely suitable for upstream usage yet, but we are at least in a position to start working directly in the open and pulling things in, instead of the other way around. | 19:49 |
| lifeless | for folk that missed it | 19:49 |
| lifeless | I'm not standing for PTL | 19:49 |
| lifeless | step up all ye hearties | 19:49 |
| tchaypo | I believe there are roughly 48 hours left for people to announce their candidacy | 19:49 |
| * derekh takes 2 steps backwards | 19:49 | |
| * SpamapS feels bad now about putting that large wooden box 2 steps behind derekh | 19:50 | |
| derekh | "£$"£$% £$%£FeF""^£ | 19:51 |
| jdob | ha | 19:51 |
| tchaypo | http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140926T0559&p0=1440&msg=PTL+Candidacies+Close | 19:51 |
| lifeless | if you're considering running | 19:51 |
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| lifeless | and want to talk to me about what its like, time commitment etc, just reach our privately :) | 19:51 |
| jdob | to which an automated bot will reply "It's miserable." | 19:52 |
| lifeless | hahaha | 19:52 |
| tchaypo | Related - is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-tripleo-summit-topics what we're using for kilo summit topics? | 19:52 |
| tchaypo | It's strangely bare | 19:52 |
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| tchaypo | I'm not sure if that's a good sign or not | 19:53 |
| derekh | So I put that there in responce to the email about design summit sessions | 19:53 |
| lifeless | thanks derekh ! | 19:53 |
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| tchaypo | thanks derekh | 19:53 |
| lifeless | so yes we need to plan the summit | 19:53 |
| lifeless | we also need to plan the next midcycle | 19:53 |
| derekh | although as you can see, that all I did, and put a link on the wiki | 19:53 |
| tchaypo | which is now I found it, so that's a good start | 19:53 |
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| lifeless | I'll send a mail | 19:54 |
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| derekh | lifeless: do you know things like, number of sessions we will have ? | 19:54 |
| derekh | lifeless: ok | 19:54 |
| lifeless | derekh: nope | 19:55 |
| lifeless | at least I don't think so :) | 19:55 |
| derekh | lifeless: ok | 19:55 |
| lifeless | we have a question from thierry though | 19:56 |
| lifeless | do we want more scheduled slots + half-day community meetup or less slots + full day community meetup | 19:56 |
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| lifeless | slagle: bnemec: dprince: ^ | 19:57 |
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| tchaypo | What's a community meetup? | 19:58 |
| lifeless | http://ttx.re/kilo-design-summit.html | 19:58 |
| lifeless | contributor meetup | 19:58 |
| lifeless | 'All programs will have a space for a half-day or a full-day of informal meetup with an open agenda. The idea is to use that time to get alignment between core contributors on the cycle objectives, to solve project-internal issues, or have further discussions on a specific effort. The format is very much like the mid-cycle meetups.' | 19:58 |
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| slagle | lifeless: i guess it depends on what those number of slots are | 19:59 |
| lifeless | I don't knwo a number | 19:59 |
| slagle | but, tbh, i think a full day community meetup is pretty vaulable, so i'm leaning that direction | 19:59 |
| tchaypo | It sounds to me as though if we don't have enough slots, we could "informally" organise some more during our meetup time | 19:59 |
| derekh | so we have 1.5 days in a room and how much do we want to be scheduled? | 19:59 |
| lifeless | previous times the exact numbers have had a lot of flux | 19:59 |
| ttx | lifeless: currently you have 4 scheduled slots and a half-day of meetup | 20:00 |
| ttx | we could do 2 + full day | 20:00 |
| lifeless | ttx: ahha! thnaks. and if we went full day meetup, how ma... | 20:00 |
| lifeless | thanks | 20:00 |
| tchaypo | I don't think it's scheduled vs unscheduled; more like formally scheduled as part of design summit vs informally scheduled amongst ourselves | 20:00 |
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| derekh | how about we rush to get sessions propesed and see hw many there are | 20:00 |
| ttx | or just the full day if that makes more sense | 20:00 |
| lifeless | ttx: format wise, whats the difference between slots and meetup | 20:01 |
| ttx | all depends if you can single out a few key topics for the scheduled session | 20:01 |
| lifeless | ttx: like - different rooms? no presentetion console? | 20:01 |
| ttx | slots are timeboxed | 20:01 |
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| ttx | and appear in the schedule | 20:01 |
| ttx | sorry meeting to start | 20:01 |
| ttx | meetup is just loose agenda | 20:01 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:01 |
| derekh | so sounds like we get more time if we do a full day meetup and have an informal schedule somewhere | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | slots are good for gathering people you don't know about to disseminate and/or gather opinions | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | meetups are good for working through hard design problems with the people you do know about and need to collaborate with | 20:02 |
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| derekh | we could always do the meetup in the bar | 20:03 |
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| lifeless | .oO 1Tbps ethernet in the pipeline | 20:03 |
| lifeless | I'm leaning to 2 slots + full day too | 20:03 |
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| tchaypo | me too | 20:04 |
| slagle | +1 | 20:04 |
| lifeless | #info lifeless to raise summit choice on list for ratification | 20:04 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:04 |
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| dprince | lifeless: I'd vote for a mix, I personally find meetups more useful | 20:04 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 20:04:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-09-23-19.03.html | 20:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-09-23-19.03.txt | 20:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-09-23-19.03.log.html | 20:04 |
| lifeless | dprince: yup, I think everyone has that opinion :) | 20:04 |
| lifeless | sorry for ending abruptly it was about to timeout anyway | 20:05 |
| dprince | lifeless: no worries :) | 20:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 22:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 23 22:06:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:06 |
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| iqbalmohomed_ | Hi .. | 22:06 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | Iqbal Mohomed, IBM Research | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Our Agenda | 22:07 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:07 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | hi Iqbal! | 22:07 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | Hi Adrian .. hope the openstack meetup was fun last week! | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | yes, it was worth the trip up from LA to attend it | 22:08 |
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| adrian_otto | so I did not have today's date on the meeting schedule, so it stands to reason that we have thin attendance | 22:09 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | ah ok ... just us it seems | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | I will take a moment to fix that | 22:09 |
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| mtesauro | I was wondering about that - the schedule missing today | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | no worries, we can regroup next week, hopefully with more progress to report | 22:10 |
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| adrian_otto | Diga has been working on the API a bit, and expects to have the Pecan/WSME basics done this week | 22:11 |
| mtesauro | works for me | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:11 |
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| adrian_otto | Any announcements from the team? | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: containers)" | 22:12 | |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to coordinate a follow-up about Gantt, to help the containers team understand its readiness plans, and how they may be applied in our work. | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | Status: in-progress. Awaiting response from bauzas | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Backlog | 22:13 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Containers Team Meeting Page | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | Any open subjects to add to the backlog? | 22:14 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:15 |
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| iqbalmohomed_ | I have a question again :) | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | of course! | 22:17 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | I'm curious if we are depending on ironic for provisoning a bare metal host for docker containers (if the user wants bare metal of course) | 22:17 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, we would rely on Nova to produce the instance, so it would be Ironic in the bare metal case. | 22:18 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | My understanding is that we make use of vanilla nova mechanisms to provision the top-level instance | 22:18 |
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| adrian_otto | Doesn't Nova use a virt driver to talk to Ironic? | 22:18 |
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| iqbalmohomed_ | IC ... I don't have any experience with ironic (good or bad) ... I was thinking another way to achieve what we need for the container service is perhaps with privilaged containers | 22:19 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | Right now, I don't believe nova-docker can create privilaged containers | 22:20 |
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| adrian_otto | adjusting it to allow that is not a major undertaking | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | that's probably a pretty small patch. | 22:21 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | That's what i figured ... if we have a special launcher privilaged container, we could use it to spawn child containers on a compute node | 22:21 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | I was thinking more about sets of containers as opposed to single containers | 22:21 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | i'm not sure how much the container service wants to think about groups of containers rather than singletons | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | yes, although we do not attempt to address multi-tenant security concerns, so you'd need to match it to use cases where you are not running hostile workloads on the same compute node | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | well, Magnum would allow containers to have a parent | 22:22 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | right ... multi-tenancy is a bit problematic if the privilaged container allows user access | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | so you could arrange them in a hierarchy | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | iqbalmohomed_: yes, exactly. | 22:23 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | anyways ... just wanted to through out a design which would not use ironic | 22:23 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, nested containers can work by either using a privileged container as the root entity, or awaiting Linux kernel features that allow nested unprivileged containers | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | that's technically possible, and I believe is in progress | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | although I have not confirmed that yet | 22:24 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | yup ... i've been reading this as well | 22:24 |
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| iqbalmohomed_ | with the latter, the multi-tenancy concerns are much reduced | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | well, as long as the users recognize that the level of security isolation offered by type 1 hypervisors is not the same as the isolation provided by containers | 22:25 |
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| iqbalmohomed_ | So in the case of ironic, the top-level host of containers is not shared by multiple tenants ... is that right | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | the fact that containers share a single kernel per host, and that all containers have access tot he full syscall table by default present a different risk profile for multitenancy | 22:26 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, that's correct. | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | the "instance" would belong to one tenant, and only his/her containers could land on it | 22:27 |
| iqbalmohomed_ | cool ... makes sense ... thx | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | whereas if the base instance is a container, you might have >1 per host | 22:27 |
| adrian_otto | depending on the sizing of the container and the sizing of the host, etc. | 22:28 |
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| adrian_otto | Magnum could allow the ratio of instances to containers to be configurable | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | or just leave it up to the scheduler | 22:29 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I put the next 4 meetings up on the calendar at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Weekly_Containers_Team_Meeting | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | any other discussion before we wrap up for today? | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks everyone for attending | 22:31 |
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| iqbalmohomed_ | bye ... take care | 22:31 |
| Slower | thanks! | 22:31 |
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| adrian_otto | our next meeting is Tuesday 2014-09-30 at 1600 UTC | 22:31 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 22:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 23 22:31:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-09-23-22.06.html | 22:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-09-23-22.06.txt | 22:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-09-23-22.06.log.html | 22:31 |
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