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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 26 16:00:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | who's around for the oslo meeting? | 16:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o | 16:01 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:01 |
| beekneemech | o/ | 16:01 |
| viktors | o/ | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | our agenda, as usual | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | dimsum_, jd__, sileht: ping | 16:02 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| dimsum_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann talk to ttx about timing for oslo.db and pbr releases | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | I need to carry that over. | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann add rados to oslo.vmware core list - DONE | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | welcome, again, rados | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #info harlowja_at_home open a bug to track fix for oslo.utils py34 test job | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home, can you report on that? | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh, ya, thats done, fixed up | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122823/ | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ weird | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.utils/+bug/1371724 | 16:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1371724 in oslo.utils "test_excutils py34 incompatabilities" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:04 |
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| jd__ | there's also review on pbr to do I think :/ | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | I'd love more background for that | 16:04 |
| zzzeek | \o | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | jd__: for python 3? | 16:05 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: no, in general | 16:05 |
| jd__ | I know I've proposed a few patches that are waiting, and there's more | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | jd__: yeah, we need to find a lead maintainer for pbr | 16:05 |
| jd__ | we need at least 2/3 reviewers yeah :) | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | I've been hesitating to approve anything there until the semver issue is fixed and we can make a release | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann update graduation instructions to say delete code instead of marking it obsolete - DONE | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | I think that's it for actions from last week, did I miss anything? | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:07 | |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek reported an issue with oslo.db | 16:07 |
| zzzeek | yep | 16:07 |
| zzzeek | fixy | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.db/+bug/1374497 | 16:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374497 in oslo.db "change in oslo.db "ping" handling is causing issues in projects that are not using transactions" [Undecided,New] | 16:08 |
| zzzeek | im moving the “begin” event to the “engine_connect” event, basically | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | we'll need to get set up to do a patch release, since I think we've committed some other changes to oslo.db since the release | 16:08 |
| * beekneemech is guilty | 16:09 | |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: when you're ready, let me know and I'll get ttx to set up the branch for us (or give me permissions to do it) | 16:09 |
| zzzeek | yup | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | beekneemech: it's ok, we expected to need to do this at some point | 16:09 |
| beekneemech | Phew :-) | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | does anyone else have anything to raise as a flag? | 16:10 |
| dimsum_ | nope | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | bknudson is quiet today :-) | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #topic finishing juno | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | We're making good progress cleaning out old code from the incubator. | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | We have some work on oslo.log and oslo.concurrency to finish graduating them. | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | Is there anything else we left incomplete in juno that should go on that priority list? | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I did open bugs for some of the doc-related tasks | 16:12 |
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| * beekneemech has been hacking at oslo.concurrency this morning. | 16:12 | |
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| dhellmann | I did some work on oslo.log yesterday. I have a list of API changes I want to propose, and I haven't decided if they are worthy of a spec or not. | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | alot of changes? | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | we should review the audit list and open tickets for items that need to be done | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MvXsg0XxPonJ8yAFSraIwHM940eAfoXhfBVRa6hN7MY/edit#gid=0 | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: mostly hiding things that are public now | 16:14 |
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| dimsum_ | dhellmann: i had some files that should probably belong in oslo.utils | 16:14 |
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| dimsum_ | Files to be moved to oslo.utils | 16:14 |
| dimsum_ | ./openstack/common/fileutils.py | 16:14 |
| dimsum_ | ./openstack/common/imageutils.py | 16:14 |
| dimsum_ | ./openstack/common/versionutils.py | 16:14 |
| dimsum_ | ./openstack/common/xmlutils.py | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | ah, yes, I think all of those were slated for other libraries, though | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, ah, hmmm, doesn't seem worthy of a whole spec | 16:15 |
| beekneemech | Can somebody post a link to that etherpad quick? | 16:15 |
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| dimsum_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-oslo-library-proposals | 16:15 |
| dimsum_ | that one beekneemech? | 16:15 |
| beekneemech | dimsum_: Yep, thanks | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | the old wiki page is also useful input for that, although it lacks some of the details on specific filenames | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/GraduationStatus | 16:16 |
| dimsum_ | dhellmann: i still don't like too many copies of context.py's with its RequestContext and get_admin_context() | 16:17 |
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| beekneemech | dhellmann: I would tend to agree with harlowja_at_home. Hiding stuff that shouldn't be public seems like just a normal part of the API cleanup for a graduation. | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | dimsum_: context is already in oslo.log | 16:17 |
| beekneemech | Unless you think there's something that would be contentious of course. | 16:17 |
| dimsum_ | dhellmann: others are using oslo-incubator's copy | 16:17 |
| dimsum_ | guess till oslo.log is released | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech, harlowja_at_home : I don't think much of this will be a surprise, so maybe I'll stage them as several commits and we can see how that goes. | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | dimsum_: right | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, sounds good | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | dimsum_: is it more than oslo.messaging? | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | can I get a volunteer to look through the audit spreadsheet and open bugs for incomplete items? | 16:19 |
| dimsum_ | dhellmann: it was in middleware too by only one tiny method was used, i have a review pending to remove context.py from middleware | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | dimsum_: ok | 16:19 |
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| beekneemech | dhellmann: I've been updating concurrency and I can take a look at serialization too. | 16:21 |
| beekneemech | I suspect serialization is actually done though. | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | beekneemech: thanks -- I added a couple of tasks to the bottom of the list | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | oh, I see you have changes up for concurrency for those | 16:21 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: Yep, and they're mostly n/a for serialization. | 16:22 |
| beekneemech | Except the delete from incubator one, which is also pending. | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | I think the biggest thing is to make sure each lib has an API documentation section that only includes the parts of the library we want to make public | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | nice. I'd like to have oslo.log and oslo.concurrency released before the summit, if you all think that's a reasonable goal. | 16:23 |
| dimsum_ | dhellmann: +1 | 16:23 |
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| beekneemech | dhellmann: concurrency should be doable | 16:24 |
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| dimsum_ | dhellmann: those 2 and middleware needs to get into global reqs too | 16:24 |
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| beekneemech | We need releases first though, right? | 16:25 |
| dimsum_ | so we can cleanup oslo-incubator | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, we'll have to wait to add something until the release is done and the requirements freeze is lifted | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | that should be happening soon, I hope | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | well, actually, that's not likely to happen for a few weeks, based on the schedule I'm looking at | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | that gives us plenty of time to tidy up and have our releases ready, though | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | speaking of in a few weeks... | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | #topic planning for kilo | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "planning for kilo (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:27 | |
| dhellmann | I've mentioned before that we aren't using the old summit proposal tool this time around, so we will need to plan the summit sessions during our meetings, on the mailing list, and with specs. | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | We have an etherpad we're using to track all of the topics, so we don't forget to talk about something important: | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-oslo-summit-topics | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | I think it will be easier to talk about these things on the list, but we do have a few meetings between now and then. If you think your topic will need a lot of discussion, please start a mailing list thread. | 16:27 |
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| dhellmann | we will have 6-7 scheduled slots, about 2/3 of what we had in atlanta, so we will need to be judicious with how we use them | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | are there any big topics people have thought of or heard mentioned that aren't already on this list? | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, jd__ should tooz be on that list? | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | good question | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | I didn't consider that very controversial. Are there details for us to work out? | 16:30 |
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| dimsum_ | dhellmann: do we need a slot of next round of libs or can we work that out before hand? | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, not likely controversial i guess, so maybe not needed | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | dimsum_: heh, yeah, we should probably have a working session on that | 16:32 |
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| dimsum_ | :) | 16:32 |
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| amrith | dhellmann, a request re: kilo planning | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | I sent email to the list today about the specs repository being open for kilo, too, so as you propose topics keep in mind whether we will need a spec for the work. | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | amrith: yes? | 16:35 |
| amrith | dhellmann, would it be possible to consider the timing of project graduation and code migration in the next cycle | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | amrith: in what sense? | 16:35 |
| amrith | for example, with concurrency this cycle | 16:35 |
| amrith | projects with downstream dependencies on oslo-incubator | 16:35 |
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| amrith | had changes that were gated on the graduation | 16:36 |
| amrith | and with the impending deletion of code from o-i | 16:36 |
| amrith | the changes that went into o.c can't make it to the downstream projects | 16:36 |
| amrith | till they adopt o.c | 16:36 |
| amrith | which won't happen till the next cycle | 16:36 |
| amrith | therefore, in my specific case | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | amrith: do you have a suggestion for how to improve that? | 16:36 |
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| amrith | yes | 16:36 |
| amrith | would it be possible to have a period of overlap between o-i and the graduated project | 16:37 |
| amrith | where code goes to both places? | 16:37 |
| dimsum_ | amrith: based on what we have seen, we can probably get rid of all code in oslo-incubator in next cycle | 16:37 |
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| amrith | optionally allow the code to go into o-i before you delete the files | 16:37 |
| amrith | I understand | 16:37 |
| beekneemech | I think amrith has a specific patch in mind. | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | amrith: we did that this cycle, and ran into issues where incubated modules used others that had moved to the libraries | 16:37 |
| amrith | but I think you know of the circumstances relating to the changes I submitted to o-i and o.c | 16:37 |
| dimsum_ | yep | 16:37 |
| beekneemech | Where the change merged to o.c, but ran into feature freeze for incubator. | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | yeah, the timing was bad on that change | 16:38 |
| amrith | beekneemech, stated it succinctly | 16:38 |
| amrith | dhellmann, yes, the timing was not conducive to merging down into trove | 16:38 |
| amrith | even if the changes were allowed into o-i before the files were deleted | 16:38 |
| amrith | taht would have sufficed | 16:38 |
| amrith | I'd have been able to do the merge from o-i into trove | 16:38 |
| amrith | for this cycle | 16:38 |
| amrith | and we'll move to o.c for next cycle | 16:38 |
| amrith | just a thought | 16:38 |
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| amrith | but if mine was a specific bad timing, let's not make an edifice for this edge case. | 16:39 |
| amrith | thx | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | amrith: yeah, I think for every variation of the timing and overlap I've been able to come up with there has been some negative side-effect :-/ | 16:39 |
| amrith | dhellmann, I see your point. lets err on the size of not having duplicated code and the possibilit of bad merges. | 16:39 |
| amrith | I'll wait a cycle ;) | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | amrith: we may have over-estimated the number of libs we would be able to successfully graduate for juno, since we have 2 incomplete ones | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | amrith: several conditions aligned to cause that situation, but we *hope* it won't be as much of a problem as we move up the stack further | 16:41 |
| * dimsum_ knocks on wood | 16:41 | |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:41 |
| * amrith knocks on head | 16:41 | |
| dimsum_ | lol | 16:41 |
| amrith | dhellmann, it will certainly be less of an issue once we get to o.c ... thanks! | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | amrith: yes, that's why we're prioritizing releasing the libs over everything else, fo rnow | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | so, what's the best way to work out (and document) the decisions on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-oslo-library-proposals ? | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | some of them seem obvious, but some are different from what we planned before, so we should review them before we move ahead | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | dimsum_: mailing list? meeting? | 16:45 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: Ultimately those will end up as specs, right? | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | yeah, for the final documentation and review | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | I'd like to avoid having the "local.py" issue again, this time around, though. | 16:46 |
| beekneemech | Yeah, but that wasn't a discussion venue problem was it? It was a "we don't know all the places this is being used" problem. | 16:47 |
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| dimsum_ | dhellmann: either is ok | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | partly, but also partly when we figured some things out I feel like we didn't write them down | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | or maybe that's just my bad memory | 16:48 |
| beekneemech | Heh, I was going to point out on your PTL mail that your actual platform for this cycle is "write things down", not "more of the same" :-P | 16:48 |
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| dhellmann | I had identified, I thought, oslo.local as a stand-alone library, and was talked out of it because I couldn't remember why. So that's on me, but how do we avoid it happening again? | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: that's my TC position :-) | 16:49 |
| dimsum_ | beekneemech: lol | 16:49 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: Fair enough :-) | 16:49 |
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| dhellmann | or maybe just my personal mantra | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | #topic review priorities for this week | 16:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review priorities for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:50 | |
| amrith | beekneemech, he also promised lower taxes | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | he | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | we mentioned oslo.log, oslo.concurrency, and pbr earlier | 16:50 |
| beekneemech | Are there more oslo.log reviews since this morning? | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | the analysis dims is doing is also a priority | 16:51 |
| beekneemech | Because I think I approved them all. ;-) | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: not now, but there will be when I write them | 16:51 |
| beekneemech | ok | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | and thanks for that :-) | 16:51 |
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| dhellmann | I'm sure harlowja_at_home would like some taskflow reviews | 16:51 |
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| dhellmann | what else do we have? | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | of course :) | 16:52 |
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| harlowja_at_home | if people are intersted look @ bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskFlow-0.4 :) | 16:52 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ^ for a list of reviews that i've somewhat prioritized | 16:53 |
| beekneemech | Guess dimsum_ really doesn't want to review taskflow ;-) | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | run away! | 16:54 |
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| * harlowja_at_home ok didn't really mean that, come back people | 16:55 | |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:55 |
| beekneemech | :-) | 16:55 |
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| dhellmann | it sounds like we have the reviews covered, then | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:56 |
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| beekneemech | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124451/1/oslo/concurrency/lockutils.py | 16:56 |
| beekneemech | specifically moving the opts to a group | 16:56 |
| beekneemech | I think we should make that standard policy for graduating libs. | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: I like it | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | we should be adding entry points for the oslo-config-generator at the same time | 16:57 |
| beekneemech | Yep, did that too. | 16:57 |
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| harlowja_at_home | beekneemech, please if u get some time https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123257/ also :) | 16:57 |
| beekneemech | So I can go ahead and add that to the graduation checklist? | 16:57 |
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| dhellmann | hmm. I see the set_defaults() function, and I wonder -- how do we handle that if we don't want the library to assume there is a global CONF object? | 16:57 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: I dunno, so I punted for now. | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: yeah, I have the same problem for oslo.log | 16:58 |
| beekneemech | harlowja_at_home: Okay, will try to take a look. | 16:58 |
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| beekneemech | dhellmann: I was thinking maybe provide a way to specify a non-global conf object and fall back to global if that isn't done? | 16:58 |
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| beekneemech | I wasn't sure about registration either - I know we're recommending not to register on import like lockutils does now. | 16:59 |
| harlowja_at_home | beekneemech, that is basically moving the lock code to pylockfile, so seems relevant ;) | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | beekneemech: I was thinking about requiring the arg, and letting the app pass the global. But we also want to call register_opts() at runtime, and I'm not sure you can call set_defaults() before register_opts(). | 16:59 |
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| dhellmann | our time slot is over, so we should release the room | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | thanks, everyone! | 17:00 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann: For lockutils I don't want to require the conf object because we use it a lot of places. | 17:00 |
| * beekneemech moves to openstack-oslo. | 17:01 | |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 26 17:01:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-09-26-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-09-26-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-09-26-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
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