Monday, 2014-09-29

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znsAnyone here for the satori meeting?15:04
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znsMost of the Rackspace folks won't be on today. I'm just here to check if anyone else is. If not, we'll skip this week's meeting. Tx.15:05
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davidlenwell#startmeeting refstack19:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 29 19:03:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'refstack'19:03
davidlenwellroll call?19:03
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catheri6here19:04
rockygo/19:04
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davidlenwellI'd like to discuss sergeys latest work .. but he doesn't seem to be here19:04
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rockygMaybe we can circle back.19:05
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sslypushenko__Hi all!19:06
rockygOr maybe we don't need to19:06
davidlenwellhi sslypushenko__19:06
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davidlenwellI'd like to discuss what you brought up in channel earlier19:07
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sslypushenko__Yep19:07
sslypushenko__Do we really need run tempest in docker?19:08
catheri6So we do not just run tempest in docker ... we can run Ubuntu version of Tempest in either docker or native ... but for other distros support we would like to wrap it in docker so we only need to validate Tempest run with one distro which is Ubuntu19:10
catheri6we do not turn refstack-client into integration house where we need to ensure that all distros work19:11
catheri6that I think is the idea why we use container19:11
catheri6open for discussion ...19:11
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catheri6of course that makes refstack-client  depend on docker ..19:13
sslypushenko__It somewhat strange requirement to run refstack-client in a container19:13
davidlenwellagreed19:13
davidlenwellit cannot be required19:13
catheri6question to every  one:  which distro is OpenStack QA running with?19:13
davidlenwellI'd rather automate the installing of dependant libs19:13
davidlenwellthey work with rehl and centos and susa19:14
davidlenwellwe are confusing two issues here19:14
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davidlenwellnobody is suggesting that we force the use of docker19:14
catheri6so no ubuntu :-)19:14
davidlenwellwe can use something like sslypushenko__'s script19:15
davidlenwellno reason not to19:15
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davidlenwelland i don't see a real reason to reduce our binary dependance either19:15
davidlenwelllots of apps depend on other apps .. its just how things work .. and honestly we've spent more time arguing about this than it would take to just support rehl19:15
sslypushenko__agreed19:16
davidlenwellsslypushenko__: if you change your script to bash I will merge it19:16
davidlenwellthats my only hessitation right now19:16
sslypushenko__why we need bash?19:16
davidlenwellits an installer essentially .. belongs in bash19:17
sslypushenko__Detect disto in bash is not easy19:17
davidlenwellusing python for light logic then calling out to shell is just overly complex19:17
davidlenwellthere is a ton of bash out there already written that does just that19:18
davidlenwellif you're not up to it .. fine .. but its actually not that complicated19:18
sslypushenko__You can go to devstack repo and look for that code...19:18
sslypushenko__I can bring links here, if you want)19:19
davidlenwellSo I think you are over thinking this19:19
davidlenwellall we really need is to detect apt-get vs yum19:20
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davidlenwellwe don't really care what os they are running .. and someone tries it on one our docs say are tested .. I don't actually care ..19:20
davidlenwellsee .. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16597342/bash-test-for-yum-or-apt-based-linux19:20
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sslypushenko__Hmmm... sounds reasonable19:21
davidlenwellcool .. lets move on19:21
davidlenwellthe other major hold back right now is the api19:21
sslypushenko__Ok. I will rewrite script tomorrow19:21
catheri6If we are going to support multiple distros how about  SUSE  .. it does not use either apt-get or yum?19:21
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davidlenwellwe will cross that bridge later or they can run tcup19:22
davidlenwellrehl and ubuntu are the ones I am more worried about right now19:22
davidlenwelllets move on ..19:22
davidlenwell#topic api19:22
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davidlenwellI'm working now to break up the api that I have now working into logical commits.. those should start rolling in today19:23
davidlenwellI'll want everyone to review them .. keep an eye out I will ping you all with a description of how I have it broken up and why I did some of the changes19:23
sslypushenko__Good news!19:24
catheri6seems like we will be using a specific tag of Tempest .. should we add a field in the result model to save this info19:24
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davidlenwellcatheri6: two steps ahead of you19:25
davidlenwell;)19:25
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davidlenwellthat is one of the changes that I made19:25
catheri6davidlenwell: ha ha19:25
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davidlenwellfeild is called tempest_version its a varchar feild . so we can use it for either a sha or to name the tagged release19:26
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davidlenwellSo I'll be pretty busy the next couple of days making sure the api lands and then working on getting it hosted19:27
davidlenwellSo there is another topic that I want to discuss..19:27
davidlenwellits kinda important19:27
davidlenwelland I with rob was here for it19:27
davidlenwell#topic refstack beyond defcore19:28
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davidlenwellanyone keeping track of the political landscape in openstack will know by now that defcore is going a bit sideways and the tc is working on making some serious changes..19:29
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rockygyup.19:29
catheri6will that affect refstack?19:29
davidlenwellwhich raises the question what life does refstack have if defcore is no more .. or doesn't need us as a validation tool for enforcing trademark19:29
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davidlenwellthe simple one word answer to that is interop19:29
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davidlenwellthe community and the tc still very much care about having interop data19:30
rockygMy take on the discussion seems to put refstack in a more critical position because it tests interop19:30
davidlenwellrockyg: thats exactly what I am saying19:30
rockyg++19:30
catheri6++19:30
rockygyou got there first ;-)19:30
davidlenwell:)19:30
davidlenwellSo what I am suggesting is that we adjust the wording in our mission statement in the wiki to be more interop and play down defcore19:31
rockyggood idea19:31
davidlenwellokay .. cool .. well I've covered everything on my mind this week.. does anyone have anything else?19:32
davidlenwell#topic open discussion19:32
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catheri6rockyg: will you take care of that for us?19:32
davidlenwellrockyg: actually lets start an etherpad19:32
catheri6that is the wiki19:32
davidlenwellto work the text before putting it in the wiki19:32
catheri6good idea19:32
davidlenwellwe can start with the current wiki text19:32
catheri6who in tc do we work with?19:32
davidlenwelland I'll go through and slash things out19:32
rockyg++19:32
davidlenwellwe don't need to work with the tc yet19:33
davidlenwellbut several of them will be open to working with us when we're ready .. I've already had a lot of offline conversations aligning us the right way19:33
catheri6defcore used to be our parent :-)  ...19:35
davidlenwellI've never really seen it that way19:35
davidlenwellmore like one of our customers19:35
rockyg#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-wiki-draft19:35
davidlenwellawesome . thanks rockyg19:35
catheri6next ... do we need to discuss this https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Refstack-TestID-Approaches .. or we are set to use tagged release for now ..19:36
davidlenwelltagged release19:36
davidlenwellthought I covered this last wek19:37
davidlenwellweek19:37
rockygcatheri6:  I think both Josh and Randy Bias were agitating for what is now Refstack long before Defcore got created19:37
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davidlenwellyep19:37
davidlenwellit was josh and monty actually19:37
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davidlenwellbut randy is a huge ally in all things interop19:37
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davidlenwellthe main goal is going to be to creat an interop map19:38
catheri6but radny has not joined us...19:38
rockyghe's too busy running his company19:38
davidlenwellhe's got other priorities19:38
davidlenwellyep19:38
davidlenwellbut I Assure you he is paying attention19:38
rockygOnce we have the framework up, I bet some of his employees will be adding interop type tests to tempest19:39
catheri6and agree with what we do?19:39
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rockygYeah.  Refstack lets him prove the work he does is really OpenStack19:39
davidlenwellhe doesn't strike me as the type to be silent when in dissagreement19:39
davidlenwellbut we're not going to worry about him or anything else right now .. we need to stay on track19:40
catheri6yes get refstack and restack-client to work ...19:40
davidlenwell+100000000000000019:41
catheri6hopefully before Paris so we can show to as many people as possible at the summit19:41
davidlenwellso right now I think we are on track for that goal19:41
davidlenwellapi to land .. then I'll turn my focus on the front end of the data views19:41
catheri6I am happy with the progress in refstack-clent for the last week ... I think we are in th right direction ...19:41
catheri6davidlenwell: +++119:42
davidlenwellgood19:42
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catheri6only 2 outstanding reviews in refstack-clent .. Sergey's .. will merge after his change ... how about this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120926/19:43
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davidlenwellI'll review it now19:45
davidlenwellwell after this meeting19:45
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davidlenwellalso .. just fyi .. catherine learned last week how effective emailing me is to get my attention on a review19:46
catheri6:-)19:46
davidlenwellif you cant' catch me here and you want my thoughts on something or to review some code . try irc .. then email me19:46
davidlenwellmy email address for those who don't know is dlenwell@gmail.com19:47
catheri6we need to work on the reviews in refstack .. but I guess they are more on the defcore side19:47
rockyggood to know.  for me, email,email, text19:47
davidlenwellcatheri6: indeed .. I cannot merge defcore things without reviews from someone on defcore19:47
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davidlenwellwe have an agreement not to merge without a review from a defcore commitie member19:50
catheri6if we do not have any thing else ... we can discuss a technical topic ...19:50
catheri6I think we need a defcore committe member ....19:51
davidlenwellwe have to be prepared for a world without a defcore commitie19:51
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davidlenwellwhat is your technical topic?19:51
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catheri6I found that the git version in Ubuntu 12.04 does not support git with branch ...19:52
davidlenwelloh that is a hicup19:52
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davidlenwelllike not at all ?19:52
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catheri6not at all because of the git version but saucy is ok ... but we can work aroind the issue by not using git ...19:53
davidlenwelluse http19:54
catheri6just unpack the zip like we did before for stable Havana ...19:54
davidlenwellI think thats fine19:54
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catheri6that would work for all version19:54
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catheri6versions ...19:54
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davidlenwellonly real reason to use git itself is if we want to push code back .. otherwise grabbing the tagged release via http is totally fine19:54
catheri6davidlenwell: agree19:54
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davidlenwelljust make sure we validate the md5 of the zip file we grabbed before unzipping it and running the code inside19:55
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davidlenwellyou know .. just to keep things secure19:55
catheri6yep19:55
davidlenwellokay .. so who is going to make that change?19:56
rockygsounds simpler and possibly more reliable.19:56
davidlenwellIt hink we should create a story for it19:56
davidlenwelland assign it to someone19:56
davidlenwellcan do that if nobody else wants to19:56
davidlenwellI mean create the story not make the change to the code19:56
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catheri6davidlenwell: makle sense ...19:57
catheri6for now sslypushenko__: will code is set_env as is ..19:57
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catheri6davidlenwell: can you create story?19:57
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catheri6or I can do that too..19:58
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davidlenwellcatheri6: why don't you give it a try19:58
catheri6ok19:58
davidlenwellpm me the link to it when you do and I can help you adjust it19:58
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catheri6davidlenwell: sure19:59
* davidlenwell is trying to include catheri6 in part of the project managment so he doesn't get overwhelmed 19:59
davidlenwellokay .. that is all our time for today .. we can still chat in #refstack if anyone needs anything19:59
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davidlenwell#endmeeting19:59
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redrobot#startmeeting barbican20:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 29 20:00:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'barbican'20:00
redrobotWelcome to the weekly meeting, everyone.20:00
redrobotAs usual the agenda can be found here:20:00
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redrobothttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda20:00
redrobot#topic Roll Call20:00
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chellygel\o/20:01
reaperhulk\o20:01
SheenaG1o/20:01
jaosorioro/20:01
aleeo/20:01
akoneru_o/20:01
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redrobotlet's give it a couple more minutes to see if any other Barbicaneers show up20:02
rm_worko/20:03
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redrobotOk, let's get started20:03
redrobot#topic Juno Release Candidate 120:04
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redrobotSo there's one big CR that is waiting for reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110817/20:04
redrobotthis is Arun's work to consume Keystone events20:04
jaosoriorwell, that took a while to read, but it's good stuff20:05
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redrobotyes, I would really like to get this merged today if possible20:06
redrobotwe're well into RC1 timeframe right now, and we still have a lot of outstanding stuff20:06
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redrobot#link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/juno-rc120:06
atiwariredrobot, I am working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121269/ too20:06
redrobotatiwari is this necessary for RC1?20:07
redrobotatiwari if so, how long until you get a passing CR?20:07
redrobotlooks like it's failing on a merge conflict now.20:07
atiwarino, it can wait for RC220:07
atiwaribut I will fit today20:07
jaosorioratiwari: I haven't checked it out because of the -1 from Jenkins20:08
redrobotso... ideally we would not want an RC120:08
redrobot* not want an RC220:08
redrobotThierry would like RC1 to truly be a release candiate20:08
arunkantredrobot: I joined late..Is CR https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110817/ already discussed ?20:08
atiwariredrobot, then let me fix it for rc120:08
jaosoriorarunkant: yes20:09
redrobotarunkant yes, I asked for it to be looked at, and hopefully merged today20:09
redrobotarunkant I would really like your work to be part of RC120:09
jaosoriorarunkant: And good stuff! by the way20:09
arunkantOkay..thanks.20:09
atiwarijamiehannaford, +120:09
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redrobotwe also have a lot of outstanding bugs20:10
redrobotIt would be awesome if we can get as many of those fixed as possible.20:10
redrobotit would be a shame to have a Release Candidate with known bugs...  so if you have any time, please look into closing some bugs.20:11
jaosorioralright20:11
jvrbanac:)20:11
redrobotas far as bugfixes go, please review woodster_ 's CR https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124274/20:12
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redrobotand jvrbanac 's CR https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124514/20:13
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redrobotany questions/comments regarding RC1 ?20:14
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redrobotany patches ready for review that I may have missed?20:14
jvrbanachttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/1212720:14
jvrbanacwooks20:14
jvrbanacwoops! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12127220:14
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redrobotGot it... any others?20:15
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redrobotOk, moving on.20:16
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redrobot#topic Kilo Design Sessions20:16
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redrobot#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-kilo-design-sessions20:16
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redrobotSo, it seems that the 3 most important topics, based on etherpad voting we agreed on last week were:20:17
redrobotIntegration with other OpenStack Projects20:17
redrobotHow to deal with multiple Pliguins over a System's lifetime20:17
redrobotand20:17
redrobotCommon Certificate Issuance API20:18
redrobotI'm still not sure how many slots we're getting on the schedule, but those will be the three topics that will fill them.20:18
redrobotWe'll work through the rest of the items during table discussions.20:18
redrobotany questions/comments about those?20:19
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rellerrellerWho will lead the integration discussion?20:20
rellerrellerDo we or should we alert the other PTLs about it?20:21
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redrobotI'll probably be the one leading all the Design Sessions20:21
redrobotyes, that sounds like a good idea to ping everyone20:21
rellerrellerCool :)20:21
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* redrobot needs to start a PTL task list20:21
rellerrellerI would be interested to know what topics we would like to cover for that one.20:22
rellerrellerI do not need that now but for future20:22
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redrobotI think we'll definitely want to talk to the Swift folks20:22
redrobotabout Swift encryption20:22
rellerrellerNova as well. There is an outstanding patch there for this.20:23
redrobotfor sure.20:24
rellerrellerWe need that patch to get the Cinder volume encryption working20:24
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rellerrellerAnd ephemeral encryption20:24
aleerellerreller, redrobot - I think that session will be most helpful if we reach out to the other PTLs beforehand and have them help set the topics on the agenda20:24
aleerellerreller, which patch is this?20:24
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jaosorioralee: I agree20:25
rellerrelleralee I would need to ask developer for that20:25
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redrobot#todo redrobot to contact other project PTLs for Barbican Integration design session20:25
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rellerrelleralee https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104001/20:25
aleerellerreller,  cool - thanks!20:26
rellerrelleralee https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106437/20:26
jaosoriorfunky20:27
rellerrellerActually that last one was the spec, but the code was already merged. Sorry about that.20:27
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rellerrellerOn the Cinder side we are good, I believe.20:27
rm_workI was going to help with the integration with other openstack projects thing (as I'm writing the Neutron integration) but... >_>20:28
aleerellerreller, eh?  the "code was already merged"?  but it has a -2?20:28
rm_workptoohill (Phil) might be able to talk about the Neutron side20:28
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rellerrellerFor Cinder our code was merged (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104339/)20:29
aleeok20:29
rellerrelleralee For Nova our code has not20:29
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aleerellerreller, gotcha20:29
rellerrellerOslo would be another good PTL to invite.20:29
rellerrellerThere is duplicate code that should be consolidated into one place.20:30
aleerellerreller, which code?20:30
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rellerrellerI believe we have defined the KeyManager interface in both.20:31
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rellerrellerThen wrote KeyManager plugins that talk to Barbican20:31
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rellerrellerKeyManager is an abstract 'interface' that we defined to be able to talk to any key manager. Barbican was the first candidate.20:32
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aleeok20:33
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aleerm_work, you have a link for the neutron changes perchance?20:34
rm_workvery much just stubs, but here is the original one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109849/20:34
rm_workbut it has been moved to a branch I think, not sure if that CR will be abandoned20:34
rm_workthere is some turmoil going on internal to Neutron with regards to sub-projects and where they need to live <_<20:35
aleerm_work, gotcha thanks20:35
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redrobotok, sounds like we've got a good plan for this session.  Any other questions/comments before we move on?20:35
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redrobotok, that's all I have on the agenda for today.20:36
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rm_workoh20:37
aleeredrobot, so right now, we have cinder/nova integration for encrypted volumes, neutron lbaas, and possible glance encryption ..20:37
rm_workhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/123492/20:37
rm_workthere's the new CR20:37
aleeand possibly oslo work ..20:37
aleerm_work, cool thanks20:37
redrobotalee yep.  Also I think there was a Keystone use case they were interested in20:38
rellerrellerWho is doing the glance encryption?20:38
redrobotreaperhulk do you know if anyone is working on glance encryption now?20:38
reaperhulkNot to my knowledge20:39
aleeredrobot, there is also possible kite/oslo work - although I'm not sure we want to add that to this session ..20:39
aleereaperhulk, is there a spec/blueprint?20:39
reaperhulkThere are more significant prelim conversations for swift, but very early days there20:39
reaperhulkalee: no20:39
rellerrellerreaperhulk redrobot if you do hear of anyone then let me know. We are looking at encrypting glance images for the next release.20:39
reaperhulkrellerreller will do20:39
reaperhulkgood to know :)20:39
notmynamereaperhulk: we're currently actively discussion (and maybe working on) encryption in swift20:39
rellerrellerNot sure if it will make it on our todo list at the moment20:39
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reaperhulkah, sweet, thanks for being here notmyname20:40
notmynamejust got back to my computer and checked IRC ;-)20:40
aleenotmyname, you have a link for a blueprint/ spec / cr?20:40
aleenotmyname, and are you really in Mongolia?20:41
notmynamealee: heh. no :-)20:41
notmynamealee: looking for links..20:41
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notmynamespec for encryption in swift https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123220/20:42
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aleenotmyname, thanks20:42
reaperhulkoh excellent, I'll take a look at that as well20:42
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redrobotI think notmyname has a sixth sense that alerts him when someone is talking about Swift20:45
redrobotgood stuff.20:45
notmynamemy swift sense is tingling20:45
redrobotOk, guys any more questions/comments before we call it a day?20:45
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atiwariredrobot, jaosorior FYI  I have resolve the conflict on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121269/. It wd be good if we can include it in rc120:46
redrobotatiwari will look as soon as it passes the gates.20:46
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atiwariredrobot, sure20:47
jaosorioratiwari, sure thing man, will check it tomorrow probably :) today I think I'm running out of steam20:47
redrobotThanks everyone for coming.  Please try to review the CRs we talked about for RC1.  We'll aim for RC1 before the end of the week.20:47
redrobot #endmeeting20:47
atiwarijaosorior, thanks20:47
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