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| rockyg | catherine_d: you know how do do this or should zehicle or I do it? | 19:02 |
| zehicle | #startmeeting | 19:03 |
| openstack | zehicle: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:03 |
| catherine_d | Let me try | 19:03 |
| catherine_d | #startmeeting refstack | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 6 19:03:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherine_d. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:03 |
| zehicle | o/ | 19:03 |
| catherine_d | o/ | 19:03 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:03 |
| fcarpenter | o/ | 19:03 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:03 |
| rockyg | agenda? | 19:04 |
| juliashapovalov1 | o/ | 19:04 |
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| catherine_d | David won't be joining today ... if need we can meet again on #refsrtack at noon tomorrow | 19:04 |
| zehicle | I'd like to talk about juliashapovalov1 's suggestion about the JSON file | 19:04 |
| zehicle | I'm also interesting in hearing about progress on the upload client | 19:05 |
| zehicle | sorry I've been so out of the loop | 19:05 |
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| catherine_d | I would like to discuss the supporting of other distros with setup_env .. | 19:05 |
| rockyg | also, maybe catherine_d can update us on the new api model? | 19:05 |
| sslypushenko__ | Hi, all! | 19:06 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I want to discuss setup_env to | 19:06 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Now I'm working in improvent for this script | 19:06 |
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| catherine_d | sslypushenko__: great .. | 19:07 |
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| sslypushenko__ | It will setup virtualenv with python27 if it is not availble | 19:07 |
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| catherine_d | that is great .. | 19:08 |
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| sslypushenko__ | actually I have already done it and now i'm testing it | 19:08 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:08 |
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| catherine_d | #topic setup_env to support other distros | 19:08 |
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| sslypushenko__ | on centos6 with py26 it look like it works | 19:09 |
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| catherine_d | sslypushenko__: it works for Tempest? | 19:09 |
| catherine_d | or just setup_env? | 19:09 |
| sslypushenko__ | right now I check only that virtualenv builds correctly | 19:10 |
| sslypushenko__ | but I hope it will be enought | 19:10 |
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| sslypushenko__ | because vitualenv includes python2.7 | 19:11 |
| catherine_d | zehicle: and rocky .. that bring us to the topic whether we need to state what distro we have tested | 19:11 |
| zehicle | ok | 19:11 |
| rockyg | good question | 19:12 |
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| catherine_d | do we need to add that test statement on the refstack web site (once it is up) | 19:12 |
| zehicle | I'd like some background | 19:12 |
| catherine_d | ok | 19:12 |
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| catherine_d | We start with only end-to-end test refstack-with Ubuntu 12.05 and 13.10 | 19:13 |
| zehicle | catherine_d, distro or release? | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko__ | We need some procedure for automatic testing for all distro's | 19:13 |
| catherine_d | now we add yum installation ... which means we will support | 19:13 |
| catherine_d | we can support CentOS, RedHat and Federoa | 19:13 |
| * zehicle confused - are we talking about OpenStack distro or the Linux where the test is running? | 19:14 | |
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| sslypushenko__ | Linux | 19:14 |
| catherine_d | so do we need to test (validate) all distros or just state the one we tested | 19:14 |
| catherine_d | end-to-end test means test installation and run a simple Tempest test case | 19:15 |
| catherine_d | sslypushenko__: had done a good job in setup_env | 19:15 |
| catherine_d | now just about support statement ... | 19:15 |
| sslypushenko__ | almost) | 19:15 |
| sslypushenko__ | But now I think that maybe refstack-in-container was not so bad idea) | 19:16 |
| catherine_d | this is about Linux distor (not Tempest release) | 19:16 |
| catherine_d | distro | 19:16 |
| rockyg | right. what linux distros we support running refstack client on | 19:17 |
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| zehicle | containers are helpful from a support perspective | 19:19 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think Ubuntu, Debian, Centos, RHEL and Fedora | 19:19 |
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| rockyg | SuSe? | 19:19 |
| catherine_d | with Sergey's setup ... we should be able to install any distro using apt-get and yum to setup the env ... but it does not mean refstack will work ... we need to test to validate | 19:19 |
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| sslypushenko__ | There are some limitations for releases aslo | 19:19 |
| catherine_d | maybe we should give this topic some thoughts and come back to it on an IRC at noon tomorrow? | 19:21 |
| sslypushenko__ | What we need to clarify? | 19:22 |
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| catherine_d | where we only state on the support list on the distros that we have tested | 19:23 |
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| catherine_d | is everyone available at noon tomorrow? | 19:24 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I will be available | 19:25 |
| rockyg | sort of. I"ll also be following another IRC and would like to go to Chinese class. If we move to tomorrow, we need the agenda figured out now. | 19:25 |
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| catherine_d | not move to tomrrow ... just the setup_env discussion for tomorrow | 19:26 |
| catherine_d | since David is not here ... we need his input for that ... | 19:26 |
| rockyg | still, agenda for setup_env meeting? | 19:26 |
| zehicle | I can be there at noon PDT | 19:26 |
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| sslypushenko__ | +1 for agenda for tomorrow | 19:27 |
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| catherine_d | Agenda ... 1) Decide on explicitely post statement of which distros we had tested 2) decide on which distro we should test | 19:28 |
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| rockyg | Thanks. | 19:29 |
| catherine_d | 3) whether we should add Suse support to setup_env | 19:29 |
| juliashapovalov2 | should we consider differentt distros versions? | 19:29 |
| rockyg | I believe they are bigger in Europe | 19:29 |
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| catherine_d | juliashapovalov2: good topic for tomorrow tooo | 19:30 |
| catherine_d | Let's move to the next topic for today ... juliashapovalov2: 's suggestopn on JSON | 19:30 |
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| catherine_d | #topic juliashapovalov2: 's suggestion on capability JSON | 19:31 |
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| juliashapovalov2 | Rob only reviewed the commits | 19:33 |
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| juliashapovalov2 | actualy they contain tests previously approved by defcore | 19:33 |
| juliashapovalov2 | but cleaned up according to tempest master | 19:34 |
| juliashapovalov2 | i beleive they should be merged as initial version and extended by other capabilities | 19:34 |
| zehicle | juliashapovalov2, that work is awesome. thanks | 19:34 |
| zehicle | +1 on the merger. I'd like catherine_d to review | 19:35 |
| catherine_d | I think the first discussion is do we support one file or separated JSON files for Havana, Icehouse? | 19:35 |
| juliashapovalov2 | commits i've talked about change only one file | 19:36 |
| juliashapovalov2 | for havana | 19:36 |
| juliashapovalov2 | single file for openstak releases is another topic | 19:36 |
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| catherine_d | Since we had decided to use tempest tag release at last week IRC .... we should use a tag release to generate the fully qualified test names | 19:37 |
| zehicle | I'm concerned a single file will be very difficult to manage as we go | 19:37 |
| catherine_d | I agree with zehicle: | 19:37 |
| zehicle | juliashapovalov2, that's the one I was hoping to discuss | 19:37 |
| rockyg | question: If we only do one file, how do we let people browse a specific release's tests? We would need a tool. | 19:37 |
| catherine_d | since we are a a very dynamic states .. | 19:37 |
| zehicle | I totally see juliashapovalov2 point about having a single file | 19:37 |
| juliashapovalov2 | otherwise we will have a set of same long files | 19:37 |
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| sslypushenko__ | with duplicaing info | 19:38 |
| zehicle | both choices have challenges until we get UUIDs | 19:38 |
| catherine_d | I thing the one file idea is good at relatively steady state | 19:38 |
| zehicle | but I want to make sure the files can stand alone and be human readable | 19:38 |
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| juliashapovalov2 | i described it in spec - we'll manage releases by json structure | 19:39 |
| catherine_d | zehicle: +1at least for Havana and Icehouse | 19:39 |
| juliashapovalov2 | each next release will extend the parent releases | 19:39 |
| sslypushenko__ | The most important issue is how to avoid duplication information in test lists for different releases | 19:39 |
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| juliashapovalov2 | i'can add more clarifications if needed | 19:40 |
| zehicle | juliashapovalov2, I just dont see how people would be able to track that in json. we'd have to build a tool | 19:40 |
| zehicle | juliashapovalov2, I like the concept. It makes sense to see the releases a cumulative | 19:41 |
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| zehicle | I'm worried about the practical implementation for reviewers | 19:41 |
| catherine_d | the duplicate or new test cases issues are easy to deal with, the difficulty is identity the existing tests which are renamed | 19:41 |
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| zehicle | I think we could go to that approach overtime if needed | 19:41 |
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| catherine_d | zehicle: +1 got to it overtime | 19:42 |
| juliashapovalov2 | zehicle: I'm worried about the practical implementation for reviewers | 19:42 |
| juliashapovalov2 | as I understand, html page generator will be responsible for that | 19:42 |
| zehicle | this is a messy problem no matter how we slice it - the tests & test framework were not designed with this use-case in mind | 19:42 |
| zehicle | but it would be hard for reviewers to look at changes | 19:42 |
| zehicle | and if we needed a tool, you could create the deltas just as easily | 19:43 |
| rockyg | anything we could do in tempest to make it more friendly? i.e., a spec that helps our stuff work if the spec is implemented? | 19:43 |
| * zehicle shrugs... UUIDs | 19:43 | |
| catherine_d | rockyg: uuid defined by Tempest | 19:43 |
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| catherine_d | So one JSON or multiple JSONs for now? | 19:44 |
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| zehicle | we've got to get Havana right first | 19:45 |
| rockyg | we are starting on icehouse and until we have tools, i think we should *start* with multiple. If we get this worked out, we can converge. | 19:45 |
| zehicle | I can see why juliashapovalov2 wants a single file | 19:46 |
| zehicle | since she's looking at which files are added | 19:46 |
| zehicle | which tests | 19:46 |
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| catherine_d | multiple JSON for now moving toward one JSON later | 19:46 |
| juliashapovalov2 | for me icehouse capabilities for now looks like copy-n-paste havana + add new ones | 19:47 |
| sslypushenko__ | May be better question is - plain lists of tests. of cumulative sets for each release? | 19:47 |
| zehicle | catherine_d, +1 | 19:47 |
| sslypushenko__ | *or cumulative... | 19:47 |
| zehicle | I'd vote for plain lists | 19:47 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Why? | 19:48 |
| zehicle | because if capabilities shift | 19:48 |
| zehicle | it would be very difficult to work w/ cumulative | 19:48 |
| zehicle | we cannot assume that the capabilities lists are correct and wont change | 19:48 |
| catherine_d | zehicle: +1 | 19:48 |
| zehicle | AND we cannot change the past ones that have been approved | 19:48 |
| zehicle | I think that juliashapovalov2 is right for several technical reasons; HOWEVER, we have to deal with the outside process aspects of review and board approval | 19:49 |
| zehicle | and those are easier to track as individual files | 19:49 |
| catherine_d | zehicle: does that mean that we should use stable-havana-tempest to generate Havana test list? | 19:49 |
| zehicle | juliashapovalov2, does that make sense? | 19:49 |
| zehicle | catherine_d, yes, that should be the starting point | 19:49 |
| zehicle | then we'd pick up the cumulative changes in the reviews | 19:50 |
| catherine_d | zehicle: +1 sslypushenko__: this is why we should use multiple JSON for now | 19:50 |
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| zehicle | catherine_d, sorry, I thought you were asking Havana -> Ice House | 19:50 |
| juliashapovalov2 | if you'll explain process issues, probably :) | 19:50 |
| zehicle | juliashapovalov2, we have to get the board to approve the test lists. that's harder to track if we keep changing it | 19:51 |
| zehicle | if each file is distinct, then we have very simple visibility if someone is altering board approved items | 19:51 |
| zehicle | (which in some cases is OK) | 19:51 |
| rockyg | Right. And when something gets deprecated, the tests will go away in a later version | 19:51 |
| juliashapovalov2 | which means the list changes... | 19:52 |
| catherine_d | here is what I have in mind ... Havana test list will be based on stable-havana-tempest .. Icehouse will be base on a tag release (which still need to be identified) | 19:52 |
| zehicle | we have a mechanism to flag tests that are broken for vendors. that would be an example of a test exception | 19:52 |
| zehicle | and also an example of something that would impact a file that's been approved | 19:53 |
| rockyg | I found a tag that QA put on right before they went "branchless". It pretty much coincides with Icehouse (a day or two later) | 19:53 |
| zehicle | IMHO, we would NOT take out a depricated test, we'd flag it instead. | 19:53 |
| rockyg | I can dig it up again. | 19:53 |
| catherine_d | trockyg: that is tempest-1 tag create in May, 2014 | 19:54 |
| rockyg | There are a ton of XML tests that vanish for icehouse | 19:54 |
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| catherine_d | for Icehouse right? | 19:54 |
| rockyg | catherine_d: yup | 19:54 |
| catherine_d | ok .. | 19:54 |
| juliashapovalov2 | zehicle: havana branch have to be deprecated itself | 19:54 |
| juliashapovalov2 | this means that vendors won't phisically have access to deprecated tests | 19:55 |
| zehicle | I thought that the same tests were available in branchless tempest | 19:55 |
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| rockyg | juliashapovalov2: I'm not sure. If someone is still running it past the end of support, it's still a valid release. Just no longer supported. | 19:55 |
| juliashapovalov2 | not all of them | 19:55 |
| zehicle | I thought we are not running Havana from the branch but trunk | 19:56 |
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| zehicle | we should only use branchless tests. if they are not ported over then we should omit them | 19:56 |
| rockyg | zehicle: yes. which is why the tests are moving all over the place. | 19:56 |
| zehicle | remember: havana is advistory only. it's ok if we have gaps | 19:56 |
| juliashapovalov2 | rockyg: branchless tempest supposed to be compatible with havana | 19:56 |
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| zehicle | the focus is on the process so vendors can start collecting data and validating | 19:56 |
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| catherine_d | we only have 4 mins left ... I want to give a quick update on upload client that is it is not ready ... and David is working on it | 19:57 |
| rockyg | juliashapovalov2: yes. but the tests can be run even after the release is long gone. It's in branchless, so they won't go away? | 19:57 |
| rockyg | what about new api? | 19:58 |
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| juliashapovalov2 | most openstack features are still there, and should be tested somehow :) | 19:58 |
| catherine_d | no not thing work yet .. not old or new. | 19:58 |
| rockyg | all: we need a stable list of tests for Paris (preferrably a week or two before) so vendors can have results before Paris | 19:59 |
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| catherine_d | rockyg: +1 ... looks like we need more time to discuss this topic too .. | 19:59 |
| zehicle | At some point, we'll just jump forward to Icehouse | 20:00 |
| zehicle | good discussion. we got a lot covered | 20:00 |
| juliashapovalov2 | the same time tomorrow in refstack channel? | 20:00 |
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| catherine_d | need to end meeting now .... we will meet at noon tomorrow ... | 20:00 |
| * zehicle adds meeting to my calendar | 20:00 | |
| catherine_d | #refstack | 20:00 |
| catherine_d | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 6 20:00:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-10-06-19.03.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-10-06-19.03.txt | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-10-06-19.03.log.html | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 6 20:01:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| redrobot | Barbican agenda can be found here as usual | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| jvrbanac | _o/ \o/ \o_ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | hehe... | 20:02 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:02 |
| woodster_ | \o | 20:02 |
| kaitlin-farr | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | ugh.. my dog is doing the potty dance >_> | 20:02 |
| reaperhulk | o/ | 20:02 |
| SheenaG1 | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | hi everyone! | 20:02 |
| SheenaG1 | Hey redrobot | 20:02 |
| redrobot | ok, let's get started | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Kilo development | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo development (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:03 | |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125678/ | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | this CR marks the beginnig of Kilo on master | 20:03 |
| redrobot | so we can start reviewing patches for Kilo | 20:03 |
| jvrbanac | woot | 20:03 |
| redrobot | RC1 will go out soon as the previous commit. | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments ? | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | ok, so that's all I have on the agenda for today | 20:09 |
| redrobot | does anyone have any topics we need to discuss? | 20:09 |
| jvrbanac | Congrats to redrobot for new PTL | 20:09 |
| jvrbanac | :) | 20:09 |
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| woodster_ | +2 | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | thanks jvrbanac ! | 20:10 |
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| reaperhulk | agendaless meetings are nice and short | 20:11 |
| redrobot | nice, ok then, if there's nothing else, we can call it a day | 20:11 |
| redrobot | I really need to walk my puppy | 20:11 |
| redrobot | Please be on the lookout for RC1 | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | It will be Juno Final release, unless we find any critical bugs. | 20:13 |
| redrobot | THanks everyone for coming out | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:13 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 6 20:13:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-10-06-20.01.html | 20:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-10-06-20.01.txt | 20:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-10-06-20.01.log.html | 20:13 |
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