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| leifz | meeting? | 14:00 |
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| boden | leifz -- I see it started on #openstack-meeting | 14:01 |
| leifz | and just ended? | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 14:01:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic juno | 14:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "juno (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| leifz | lurking | 14:01 |
| boden | o/ | 14:01 |
| jgrimm | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so juno is shipped | 14:01 |
| edleafe | \o/ | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | stable backports for stuff you spot now I think | 14:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | usual backport tags for all that fun | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic kilo | 14:02 |
| * beagles lurks | 14:02 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so specs are open, we are fast approving some, and slow approving some | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | any questions or things to raise? | 14:02 |
| mriedem | stable/juno doesn't seem to exist yet | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info if your code reviews are being blocked on a "procedural -2", please ping the reviewer (in email) and remind them to reconsider | 14:03 |
| mriedem | nope | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: hmm, doh, I guess we only just tagged, so thats next | 14:03 |
| mriedem | i'll let it go this time | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | :) | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, anything on specs? | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | everyone as happy as they can be about the new rules? | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | any tweaks needed at the moment? | 14:04 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: about priorites | 14:04 |
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| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, too early to tell, we'll comment when we have issues | 14:04 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: it's asked to fill them in | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: to be agreed at the summit I think | 14:04 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: k, so leaving a perhaps in this | 14:04 |
| mriedem | bauzas: i just put None if my thing wasn't an obvious priority | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 | 14:05 |
| bauzas | mriedem: k, I'm taking the etherpad as a reference | 14:05 |
| mriedem | it's a priority for me, but not the project | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can go back and edit the specs, if we come up with a priority that you fit, after its approved | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities | 14:05 |
| bauzas | I'm taking these chapters as the ones I'm looking to, if so | 14:06 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: k, sounds good | 14:06 |
| n0ano | does it make sense to approve a spec that has no priority, I would think that would be required | 14:06 |
| ndipanov | so what do the priorities mean now - there was so much back and forth that I am not sure what is agreed on | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: thats another summit discussion, for now, yes, they are low priority | 14:06 |
| bauzas | I was understanding that priorities would be set for juno-3 ? | 14:06 |
| bauzas | oops | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: right now, they have no power, the idea is to agree at the summit | 14:07 |
| bauzas | kilo-4 | 14:07 |
| n0ano | which means they'll probably get ignored so yes, this needs to be discussed at the summit | 14:07 |
| bauzas | kilo-3 | 14:07 |
| * bauzas has to watch the new openstack episodes | 14:07 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so yeah, my current plan is, kilo-3 nothing except high priority stuff merges, so we kinda have a soft blueprint freeze at the end of kilo-2 | 14:07 |
| bauzas | k | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | but lets see how it goes, is the detailed version of the plan | 14:08 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, and we are not doing runways, right? | 14:08 |
| mriedem | the policy patch for runways was abandoned | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info remember, all features need a blueprint, not all blueprints need a spec | 14:08 |
| mriedem | which is what i thought we were going to use to get low priority stuff in | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, runways just got shot down too much on the ML | 14:09 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115410/ | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | my hope is to discuss that at the summit, and come up with a comprimise | 14:09 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, ack - that will be a fun discussion :) | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the current one is, kilo-1 and kilo-2 is free, kilo-3 is basically runways | 14:09 |
| * alaski wanders in late | 14:09 | |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Kilo Summit | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, I was hoping we would have a session plan, that we could discuss, but we don't really | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I have lobbed a few ideas at the end of the etherpad | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info we have 2 days of scheduled slots and 1 day of meetup style | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need to decide what gets a slot, and what needs meetup style | 14:11 |
| ndipanov | I like those ideas - I am not sure we want to do session per BP like we did in the future, meetup can be for that I guess? | 14:11 |
| ndipanov | lol future | 14:12 |
| ndipanov | past | 14:12 |
| ndipanov | in the past | 14:12 |
| mriedem | time traveling is fun | 14:12 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: slots are 40 mins right? | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: think so | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: agreed though | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so for stuff that is "here is my feature X" | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | i like meetup style more than slots for everything, but i'd think the process talks would be better for a meetup? | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets have a spec first | 14:13 |
| bauzas | mriedem: +1 | 14:13 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, you have some big topics on that list, 40 min. is going to be interesting | 14:13 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: what if the spec got accepted before the Summit, then violent agreement for 40 mins ? :) | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: some might get two slots, but yes | 14:13 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, very much agreed | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: thats the hope, avoid that slot, and re-schedule something else into that | 14:13 |
| mriedem | in atlanta a lot of the QA sessions were presentations and those were nicely wrapped up in time for questions within 40 minutes, | 14:13 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: awesome | 14:14 |
| mriedem | i'd like to see that with blueprint design sessions | 14:14 |
| mriedem | and do meetups for big groups of process argument | 14:14 |
| dansmith | mriedem: really? | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | i hate the 40 minute thing | 14:14 |
| ndipanov | I though that;s exactly why we don't want that in sessions | 14:14 |
| mriedem | is my point | 14:14 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I don't really want presentations in design summit slots | 14:14 |
| ndipanov | go read a bp | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:14 |
| ndipanov | or spec | 14:14 |
| dansmith | small slots for small discussions | 14:14 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I seriously doubt that some topics can cover both a presentation and a discussion in 40 mins | 14:14 |
| edleafe | dansmith: +1 | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: yeah, if you can read the spec or bp, thats fine, whatever | 14:15 |
| dansmith | if it's a longer discussion, then meetup style | 14:15 |
| bauzas | mriedem: but hell yeah, planning will be fun | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: we probably give them two slots then, thats fine | 14:15 |
| mriedem | i'm not talking about a demo | 14:15 |
| mriedem | basically going through whatever the blueprint is, or sticking points, idk | 14:15 |
| dansmith | -1 | 14:15 |
| mriedem | i just didn't think most of the design sessions seemed to be useful in ATL | 14:15 |
| mriedem | the 40 min ones | 14:15 |
| bauzas | mriedem: agreed | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so here is the thing | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | we don't have much time together | 14:16 |
| dansmith | the ATL sessions weren't really well planned | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we can do something in the specs, then we can avoid it | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 hope we can avoid the ATL dumb sessions | 14:16 |
| dansmith | yeah, | 14:16 |
| dansmith | although we're getting pretty close with minimal planning so .. we'll see | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | ok, i guess i don't have any other summits to compare to so i started with the worst one... | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so any BP session will be because we can't agree on the spec | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: well the previous one was better, thats all | 14:17 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: or because it's wider than a single spec ? | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: if we can agree half the specs for the scheduler stuff, then it helps us concentrate on the stuff we need to talk about right? | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: good question | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: if we agree all the specs, then cool, nothing to talk about | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Some things are about carving up the work between a group of people | 14:18 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, we at least need to make sure all reviewers stick with the plan | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I mean, summits are good for that | 14:18 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: specs having 2x+2 don't necessarly mean that the consensus has been reached | 14:18 |
| ndipanov | I don;t think we are looking for consensus | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: if there were no −1s then the system broke, need to get people to vote on there, anyways | 14:19 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: then what ? :) | 14:19 |
| ndipanov | we are looking for good implementation | 14:19 |
| ndipanov | and features | 14:19 |
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| ndipanov | screw consensus... :) | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, this is not rally going anywhere | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | yes agreed | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | move on :) | 14:20 |
| bauzas | +1 | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: lets just say, code means a lot | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | good code means more | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | so one more question | 14:20 |
| mriedem | was rally a freudian slip there? | 14:20 |
| dansmith | I feel like we're ratholing here | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | the only perf things on your list johnthetubaguy is the profiler stuff | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | oh and Rally | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: do we have perf stuff to talk about? | 14:21 |
| mriedem | i thought there were db things | 14:21 |
| ndipanov | well yes | 14:21 |
| ndipanov | db | 14:21 |
| mriedem | jogo had something that zzzeeek said wouldn't help | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, not seen that proposed | 14:21 |
| mriedem | so assuming zzzeeek has alternatives | 14:21 |
| mriedem | jogo's was removing the ORM | 14:21 |
| mriedem | SA ORM | 14:21 |
| mriedem | bayer said that wouldn't really help | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK, so thats a thing | 14:22 |
| ndipanov | so if I could add one thing to the list - it would be talk about perf - with a strong focus on db | 14:22 |
| ndipanov | yes that is an old discussion tho | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: its helped us in some bits, but its probably more about us using it wrongly | 14:22 |
| ndipanov | if that's a thing for the "meetup" | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: its on the meet up list already actually, in a really bad way | 14:22 |
| ndipanov | then cool - but I feel we really should talk about it | 14:22 |
| ndipanov | since it is one of the reasons scheduler and other stuff we all want to violently discuss sucks so bad | 14:23 |
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| ndipanov | :) | 14:23 |
| bauzas | ndipanov: :) | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Gate | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so hows the gate | 14:23 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, you updated the etherpad, is someone going to create a spec for DB improvements? | 14:23 |
| mriedem | i put some links in the agenda | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: do try a single caching scheduler, thats actually quite fast | 14:23 |
| mriedem | the gate is....kind of unknown | 14:23 |
| mriedem | categorization of gate bugs is at like 58% which sucks | 14:23 |
| mriedem | so we have something out there, i suspect the cinder volume delete lvm/vgs hangs, that aren't tracked | 14:24 |
| mriedem | i'm working on tracking that today | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | lots of new bugs, or just lots of broken code up for review? | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, cool, your digging | 14:24 |
| mriedem | two bugs to mention | 14:24 |
| mriedem | 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1353962 - that's the fixed ips quota one | 14:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1353962 in nova "Test job failes with FixedIpLimitExceeded with nova network" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:24 |
| mriedem | still need eyes on that, we have better logging now | 14:24 |
| mriedem | 2. this is the cinder volume hang bug we're tracking https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1373513 | 14:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1373513 in cinder "Lvm hang during tempest tests" [Critical,Confirmed] | 14:25 |
| mriedem | vgs/lvs calls are taking sometimes 2 minutes causing cinder volume deletes to timeout | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: I should reach out on the ML for owners and spec drivers for some of this stuff | 14:25 |
| mriedem | i need to get a better query up in e-r for that one today | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: is this a review call to action, or a help thing? | 14:25 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: help | 14:25 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, OK, it's just that that's a rather nebulous topic | 14:25 |
| mriedem | we have a patch up for cinder to get some strace on the vgs/lvs calls but it needs some help i think | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: agreed | 14:25 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126735/ | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | someone with rootwrap knowledge to fix that would be nice | 14:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, so we are done here I guess, since no one is jumping up to discuss things? | 14:26 |
| mriedem | i guess | 14:26 |
| mriedem | moving on | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help the gate still needs more love | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, anyone got things they want to talk about? | 14:27 |
| boden | I have a general question I was not able to get a response to on nova channel | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | boden: OK, fire away | 14:27 |
| boden | what is our stance on ec2 parity... e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1370384 | 14:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370384 in nova "Cannot expand root volume by EC2 API" [Medium,In progress] | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | boden: patches welcome, I think thats the stance | 14:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we had a sub group pushing on that, but not heard a lot recently | 14:28 |
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| boden | johnthetubaguy -- the point is we can do that workflow using existing nova resize | 14:28 |
| boden | do we really need to support the ec2 "manual workflow"? | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | boden: duno, do people want to use it? | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | is anyone going to maintain it? | 14:29 |
| mriedem | boden: the other thing is we rarely get new/good working ec2/boto tests in tempest | 14:29 |
| dansmith | boden: I think the answer here is, it's important if someone thinks it's important and wants to work on it | 14:29 |
| dansmith | boden: if not, then not | 14:29 |
| mriedem | the last new boto test broke the gate and was reverted | 14:29 |
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| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, (stepped away for a bit...) so yeah - caching is definitely one of the solutions to the db suckage :) still we should mention it at least in the meetup | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 you said what I am failing to express | 14:29 |
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| dansmith | the lack of enthusiasm here indicates that it's not important, IMHO :) | 14:29 |
| boden | dansmith -- I dont mind working on it, but hanve't seen many asks | 14:30 |
| boden | anyway fair enough answer | 14:30 |
| boden | thanks | 14:30 |
| dansmith | boden: if you think it's important, then propose a spec to describe what you think needs changing and why it's important | 14:30 |
| n0ano | dansmith, your're probably correct but that goes back to are we devloper focused or user focused, I think we've tilted too far to the developer side right nwo | 14:30 |
| dansmith | until then, there's really not much to discuss :) | 14:30 |
| boden | dansmith +1 | 14:30 |
| dansmith | n0ano: no developers being asked by their paying users to add that thing is a good indication to me :) | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, lets not go down that whole | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more questions? | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 I am afraid | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like we are done early | 14:31 |
| n0ano | dansmith, maybe, I won't argue that here | 14:31 |
| mriedem | is cells meetup or slot? | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: slot right now | 14:31 |
| mriedem | not seeing it at the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics | 14:31 |
| dansmith | we can talk about cells for days, | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: based on whats in my head | 14:31 |
| dansmith | so I think that bounding it is fine | 14:32 |
| dansmith | maybe a double slot, if we're considering such things | 14:32 |
| mriedem | yeah i just want to see the work items/plan | 14:32 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, were you looking at improving tests for cells - i kinda saw something last week or so | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: its at the top of the "must have slots" list | 14:32 |
| bauzas | I was seeing a discussion about some kind of cells for the crossproject track | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: ha, i wasn't scrolled up high enough apparently | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: no worries | 14:32 |
| bauzas | wouldn't it be interesting to discuss about cells at a general openstack level, if we consider rebooting them ? | 14:33 |
| dansmith | bauzas: this conversation is not about that, | 14:33 |
| dansmith | bauzas: it's about fixing what we have, not rebooting cells entirely | 14:33 |
| alaski | bauzas: the first priority is making them a first class citizen in Nova | 14:33 |
| bauzas | dansmith: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics L114 | 14:34 |
| bauzas | alaski: dansmith: ack | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah, its because of an email thread | 14:34 |
| dansmith | okay, I'm talking about the cells discussion on our list | 14:34 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but I totally understand that cells can be discussed in both sessions | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: but yeah, nova one is talking about different things really | 14:34 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: got it | 14:34 |
| dansmith | I think the cross-project one is in response to the cascading stuff | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:35 |
| bauzas | indeed | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, seems like we are done, we can take other things to the usual channel | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 14:35:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-16-14.01.html | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-16-14.01.txt | 14:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-16-14.01.log.html | 14:35 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 15:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| rushil1 | \o | 15:00 |
| scottda | hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
| jasonsb | hi | 15:00 |
| csaba | hi | 15:00 |
| Shamail-Alt | hi | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | we'll start with dev status again this week | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | Dev status for last week: | 15:01 |
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| vponomaryov | 1) Manila shares list API | 15:02 |
| deepakcs | hi | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | Filtering using share list API was greatly improved | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | server: #link https://github.com/openstack/manila/commit/8f0d0dc6 | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | client: #link https://github.com/openstack/python-manilaclient/commit/c7456c67 | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | status: merged | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Manila security-services list API | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov | server: #link https://review.openstack.org/125569 | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | client: #link https://review.openstack.org/126240 | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Manila snapshots list API | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | server: #link https://review.openstack.org/128740 | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | client: #link https://review.openstack.org/127622 | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov | 4) Horizon with Manila | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | Recently was updated Horizon: #link https://github.com/NetApp/horizon/tree/manila_juno | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | Now it has "share-servers" tab in admin panel. | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | that's the main | 15:03 |
| bswartz | cool | 15:03 |
| bswartz | anything that's been sitting in review too long? | 15:03 |
| * bswartz has been slow on reviews this week | 15:03 | |
| vponomaryov | little commit: https://review.openstack.org/125294 | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | wanted more opinions | 15:04 |
| bswartz | okay I'll review | 15:04 |
| bswartz | anything else/questions? | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #topic design summit | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-manila-summit-topics | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I've been working on the etherpad, mostly down at the bottom | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | I've tried to separate the topics into topics that would be good for the design summit, and topics that would be good to discuss during the team meetup | 15:06 |
| bswartz | does everyone understand the format for the summit this year? | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | I'll assume yes | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I've proposed 6 session so far | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | some of them are a bit iffy, but I wanted feedback | 15:08 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, can u brief quickly about the summit format if its changed from last time ? | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | so in addition to the "conference sessions" there will be "design summit sessions" for ATCs only just like before | 15:10 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: we only have 3 session slots, right? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | however there will be spots for us to meetup on Friday | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | and discuss things in a smaller group | 15:10 |
| bswartz | we have 3 design summit sessions | 15:10 |
| bswartz | and those will likely be attended by all kinds of people who just want to learn about what we're doing | 15:11 |
| bswartz | the team meetup will be much smaller I'm sure, with no published agenda | 15:11 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, thanks | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: about topic "Potential Session: Manila Scheduler" | 15:12 |
| bswartz | so the 6 sessions I've proposed have topics which may appeal outside our team | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | what exactly is planned to be disscussed? | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: I'm thinking the discussion would be about specific capabilities we should report and general good practice for setting up a multibackend manila installation | 15:13 |
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| jasonsb | i would be interested in attending the team meetup (for the image project) | 15:14 |
| bswartz | well if anyone feels that a topic (from the etherpad) is in the wrong place we can move it | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | we could do a design summit session on the image project | 15:14 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: so, main idea - extend existing functionality with manila specific stuff and define what exactly should be addded, correct? | 15:14 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: each session is 40 minutes. So it's unlikely we can fit all 6 sessions in the 3 session slots | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | yes I wanted to propose more sessions than we have time for do you all can downvote the ones that you don't like | 15:15 |
| bswartz | we can still discuss those topics in the meetup | 15:15 |
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| xyang1 | sure | 15:16 |
| bswartz | In a few minutes I'll ask about each one and see if we can collect the votes | 15:16 |
| bswartz | but first I had some questions | 15:16 |
| bswartz | to answer vponomaryov: yes | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | we can spend some more time sketching out specifics if it's a topic people are interested in -- I have a lot of ideas | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so vponomaryov, you put a few things on the etherpad I didn't understand | 15:17 |
| bswartz | Â Â Â Â Â * share groups as server groups in Nova | 15:17 |
| bswartz |      * proper calculation of snapshot size? | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | can you briefly explain those | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | * share groups as server groups in Nova - create several shares at a time and group them somehow | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | * proper calculation of snapshot size? - snapshot takes quota of share equal to its size and does not allow to spawn share from it with less size than snapshot has defined in manila | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | first one is useful when we know that we want create N shares | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | and we will use them for some specific case | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I can see pros/cons for the first one | 15:20 |
| rushil1 | vponomaryov: Is there a way you have thought about grouping the shares? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | it seems worth of discussion -- but do you think it would make a good design summit session? | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: need collect desires of end users | 15:20 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: this idea pop up from WFA project | 15:21 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | and on the second topic, I feel like we discussed it before and reached a conclusion we were okay with | 15:22 |
| bswartz | since we can't know whether backends will store snapshots efficiently or not, we charge them the full quota just in case | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we can allow force usage in cases we know it for sure | 15:23 |
| bswartz | asking backends to report how much space a snapshot consumes requires a lot more implementation in the drivers | 15:23 |
| bswartz | and worse, it could change over time | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | I suppose there could be an upper bound we could report that's less than the total share size | 15:24 |
| bswartz | is that what you're going for? | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes | 15:25 |
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| vponomaryov | for example we can have size of 100Gb for share and snapshot will take additional 100Gb | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | this huge leak of quota | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | and use some couple of Gb indeed | 15:25 |
| bswartz | but some backends may literally require 100GB for the snapshot | 15:25 |
| bswartz | maybe we should look at doing this in an extension, or with some way for the administrator to turn it off | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I like the idea, but it creates some cracks in the abstraction we're trying to create | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | so, we can conclude that this topic does not have strict borders, though I added it | 15:27 |
| bswartz | yes -- do you think it makes sense for a design summit talk? | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | Not sure, there are important topic too | 15:28 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | s/topic/topics/ | 15:28 |
| csaba | bswartz: is it still possible to add topics to the pad? | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | we can "live" with it | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | but can not, for example, without image | 15:28 |
| bswartz | csaba: if you have an idea mention it here | 15:29 |
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| vponomaryov | so, topic with image should be in top of priority, I think | 15:29 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: do you need to choose 3 topics and put them down here? http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 15:30 |
| bswartz | manila image project? you think it should be a design summit session rather than a meetup topic? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | xyang1: yes | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: any | 15:30 |
| bswartz | xyang1: although we can put 2 topics in one session if we wish | 15:30 |
| csaba | bswartz: I have some gripes with how execution works in manila, but I can't articulate them properly ATM, I need a bit time to think it over | 15:30 |
| xyang1 | ok | 15:30 |
| bswartz | csaba: were you thinking of having a session to review your gripes? or did you just want to bring them to the team meetup? | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: if it would not provide gripes we would not have topics =) | 15:31 |
| bswartz | we could just have a whole session where everyone stands up and gripes about what they don't like -- it might be cathartic | 15:32 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: the point is to soothe the gripes ;_ | 15:32 |
| bswartz | csaba: I'd like to get the design summit schedule nailed down in the next few days, so if you want to propose a session then we need to know urgently | 15:33 |
| csaba | ATM I would not propose this for a whole session | 15:33 |
| bswartz | other topics, for the meetup, can wait | 15:33 |
| csaba | bswartz: I can let you know by tomorrow | 15:33 |
| bswartz | okay so now I'd like to just go through the list and hear from you +1 or -1 on design summit worthiness | 15:34 |
| bswartz | the first one is: Manila Networking | 15:34 |
| bswartz | this one gets a +1 from me | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | +1 | 15:34 |
| xyang1 | +1 | 15:34 |
| jasonsb | +1 | 15:34 |
| bswartz | sorry the details in the etherpad are sparse -- there's more detail above | 15:35 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:35 |
| bswartz | next topic: Integration with other projects | 15:35 |
| bswartz | Personally I feel like -1 on this, even though it may have broad interest | 15:36 |
| xyang1 | This topic seems open ended | 15:36 |
| bswartz | we would discuss specific integration with * Tempest* Horizon* Devstack* Heat | 15:36 |
| bswartz | the discussion could be short though | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | we could handle this one during the meetup | 15:36 |
| jasonsb | expose snapshot usage to other project? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | but then we won't get members of those other projects | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I am Ok to leave for meetup | 15:37 |
| bswartz | +1/-1? | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | /leave/leave it/ | 15:37 |
| jasonsb | (accounting/chargeback purposes) | 15:37 |
| rushil1 | -1 | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | +1 push it to meetup | 15:37 |
| bswartz | jasonsb: that would just be a new feature for our API, assuming we implement a way to query backends for snapshot actual space consumption | 15:38 |
| xyang1 | good topic, but won't be productive for a session | 15:38 |
| xyang1 | meetup sounds good | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | integration refers to when we actually add code to other projects to make them work better with manila | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay we can move on | 15:38 |
| jasonsb | ah, ok | 15:38 |
| bswartz | Next topic: Mount Automation | 15:39 |
| bswartz | +1 from me | 15:39 |
| xyang1 | if you already have concrete ideas, then this should be a good one | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: We definitely need get nailed what exactly do we want to get with this feature | 15:40 |
| bswartz | we've never discussed this topic if deep detail, and people keep asking for it | 15:40 |
| bswartz | now feels like the time to finally do it | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | so +1 | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I do have concrete ideas | 15:40 |
| bswartz | and I can easily see this one going the full 40 minutes | 15:41 |
| xyang1 | +1 | 15:41 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:41 |
| jasonsb | +1 | 15:41 |
| bswartz | next topic: Review features to steal from Cinder | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | so the exact list of features we cover in this session could be revised, but the idea is to have a multi-topic session on various cinder features | 15:42 |
| bswartz | and talk about the specifics of adapting them to manila | 15:42 |
| bswartz | stuff like private volume_type/share_type should be pretty trivial I think | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | whereas manage/unmanage might be quite complicated given the differences | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | I'm on the fence about this one | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | +1 | 15:43 |
| rushil1 | -1 | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | rushil what would you prefer? | 15:44 |
| xyang1 | This seems to be more than we can cover, not focused | 15:44 |
| rushil1 | bswartz: Don't think this needs to go for a full session when this has already been covered in cinder | 15:44 |
| bswartz | xyang: well we could focus it | 15:44 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, ability to manage existing share would be good to have, as that would help manila takeover a existing implementation | 15:44 |
| bswartz | we could pick 2 or 3 high priority ones and make the session about those | 15:44 |
| rushil1 | bswartz: We could cover it, but don't need to dedicate a whole session to it | 15:45 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, vponomaryov I see you said share_type is available, does that mean Manila supports the multi-backend as Cinder does (1 m-shr process per backend) ? | 15:45 |
| bswartz | rushil1: actually we could take a single one of those and turn it into a whole session if we wanted | 15:45 |
| bswartz | stuff like backup and replication are HUGE topics | 15:45 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: yes | 15:45 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: although currently we use the term "volume_type" not share_type | 15:46 |
| rushil1 | bswartz: I get that. But I feel the audience would be cinder aware and should be aware of the concepts being covered. | 15:46 |
| xyang1 | yes, those topics are huge, each one will be one session. we definitely need to nail down | 15:46 |
| bswartz | okay so this one needs reworking if we're going to include it | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | rushil1: the goal to get know what we can adapt and why we should do it | 15:46 |
| bswartz | we have to do the activity of reviewing all these and scoping/prioritizing them | 15:47 |
| bswartz | but maybe that's not appropriate to do in paris | 15:48 |
| bswartz | maybe once we have concrete proposals for each one we should consider presenting them | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I'll propose that we do that reviewing/scoping/prioritizing in a future meeting | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | okay since we're running out of time let's move on | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | next topic: Access Groups | 15:49 |
| jasonsb | i would be interested in hearing about thoughts on DR at the pod | 15:49 |
| xyang1 | straight forward ones don't need a session | 15:49 |
| jasonsb | if anybody is interested | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | jasonsb: sure | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | access groups is something that's very concrete and could merge during kilo-1 | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | I think it deserves a session | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: but this is related to v2 | 15:50 |
| bswartz | is it interesting enough though? | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: it could be done in v1 -- all the APIs are new and don't break anything | 15:51 |
| rushil1 | +1, I think access groups deserves a session. | 15:51 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it contradicts to current share access approach, is not it? | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | it extends the current approach | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | just makes it possible to apply access rules to multiple shares at a time | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: ok, I just did not see implementation you are talking about | 15:52 |
| bswartz | and makes it possible for access rules to change in response to events rather than explicit API calls | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | the driver interface would have to change but there would be no API breakage | 15:53 |
| bswartz | if this becomes a session we will post the details in advance | 15:53 |
| bswartz | any last opinions? | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | is there issues for it? | 15:54 |
| bswartz | we have 1 more | 15:54 |
| xyang1 | +1 for access groups | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: hopefully no, but the session would allow people to raise them if they had issues | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | Ok, I don't mind | 15:55 |
| bswartz | cknight worked on this during juno and I think he got most of the design decisions right | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | ameade too if he's here | 15:55 |
| bswartz | okay last one | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | topic: Manila Scheduler | 15:55 |
| bswartz | we sort of discussed this one already | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | I'm on the fence about this one | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | low priority | 15:56 |
| bswartz | you say -1? | 15:56 |
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| vponomaryov | -1 because there are should be more prioritized thing, I guess | 15:56 |
| bswartz | anyone else thing we *should* make a session about scheduler enhancements? | 15:56 |
| bswartz | s/thing/think/ | 15:57 |
| xyang1 | I think if we have time we can go over it, otherwise it is fine to skip | 15:57 |
| rushil1 | This can be discussed, but not a whole session. -1 | 15:57 |
| xyang1 | or discuss about it later in meetup | 15:57 |
| bswartz | okay I think that one is clear | 15:57 |
| bswartz | so just to review, the 3 highest vote getters (by my count) are: | 15:57 |
| xyang1 | actually the pool one is a scheduler change as well | 15:57 |
| bswartz | Manila Networking | 15:58 |
| bswartz | Mount Automation | 15:58 |
| bswartz | Access Groups | 15:58 |
| rushil1 | bswartz: +1 | 15:58 |
| ameade | i'm fine with that | 15:58 |
| xyang1 | sounds good | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | integration and scheduler we will discuss privately, and the cinder feature list needs more work before we'd have anything to present | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | okay so I'll watch the ML and IRC for any amazing new ideas | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | but baring something new that everyone wants those 3 will be the proposal | 15:59 |
| bswartz | sorry we ran out of time for open discussion | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 16:00 |
| vponomaryov | thanks | 16:00 |
| rushil1 | thanks | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | thanks | 16:00 |
| jasonsb | thank all | 16:00 |
| deepakcs | bye | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 16:00:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-10-16-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-10-16-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-10-16-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| mihgen | hi folks | 16:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:00 |
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| aglarendil | hi | 16:00 |
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| kozhukalov | hey guys | 16:01 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 16:01:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | agenda as usual | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | who is here? | 16:02 |
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| christopheraedo | Hello! | 16:02 |
| mattymo | hi all | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, let's start our discussion | 16:03 |
| aglarendil | hi | 16:03 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Summary for usage stats collection (mihgen) | 16:03 |
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| xarses | o. | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | hey, I'm just from the webex discussion on this topic | 16:03 |
| mihgen | basically we wonna get following stats: | 16:04 |
| mihgen | a) static, like configuration of deployment | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | b) usage patterns of openstack, how users use it | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | c) support cases - know about failures users experience | 16:04 |
| mihgen | for a) it's more or less designed, kozhukalov - please help to find blueprint | 16:05 |
| mihgen | for b) it's large discussion actually. Ideally we would use ceilometer if we can configure it for very low amount of info | 16:05 |
| mihgen | otherwise it can blow up quickly on even 50 nodes | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/anonymous-statistics-performance-testing | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | am I right? | 16:06 |
| mihgen | we can't force user to install ceilometer, so we could do it on Fuel master node | 16:06 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: yep, thx | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | but looks like for first iteration we should just go ahead with something really trivial as we don't have resources to research other ways any deep | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | I was wrong | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | right link is | 16:07 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: yeah, another bp | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/send-anon-usage | 16:07 |
| mihgen | so easiest thing would be to just do REST API call to openstack | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | it | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | it's not gonna show dynamic / trends of usage, though we can get periodic snapshots of what is going on the cluster | 16:08 |
| mihgen | that's short summary. Any questions on this / comments? | 16:08 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: let's move on | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | ok, looks like no q | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Juno status (mattymo) | 16:09 |
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| mattymo | Hi kozhukalov! | 16:10 |
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| mattymo | Great improvement from last week's turbulent events. Everything is very stable and we're working through minor bugs now. | 16:10 |
| kozhukalov | mattymo: hi | 16:10 |
| mattymo | We fixed a bug in nova-network this week that was blocking instances from getting internet access, along with HA MongoDB. | 16:10 |
| mattymo | All components are working, but we have a floating bug of failing to deploy instances on CentOS in HA that is hard to reproduce. | 16:10 |
| mattymo | We've already passed all BVTs and now new features can be added on top of vanilla Juno, including our memcached improvements for keystone. | 16:10 |
| mihgen | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel#Nightly_builds | 16:10 |
| mattymo | Master ISO for 6.0 is now juno and works great, but please report any bugs you see, large or small. | 16:10 |
| mihgen | anyone can get ISO from there. Choose 6.0 to get Juno | 16:10 |
| mihgen | mattymo: thanks you for driving it through! | 16:11 |
| mattymo | I learned a lot, so it was worth it | 16:11 |
| mattymo | That's all I have for my update. | 16:11 |
| mihgen | :) | 16:11 |
| mihgen | thx | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | so, now we can add packages into 6.0 mirror, right? | 16:11 |
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| mattymo | kozhukalov, yes! Please do | 16:11 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: of course | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | rvyalov: can we? | 16:11 |
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| rvyalov | yes | 16:11 |
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| rvyalov | but if it is new packages, need add it 6.0-icehouse too | 16:12 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, there was PR about adding mdadm to ubuntu | 16:12 |
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| dpyzhov | Should we get rid of 6.0-icehouse? | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | has it merged? | 16:13 |
| mattymo | dpyzhov, we haven't finished cherry-picking non-merged upstream patches on top of juno yet | 16:13 |
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| mattymo | let's keep it until we're done on that end | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127163/ | 16:13 |
| dpyzhov | ok | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | this one | 16:13 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: nope yet | 16:13 |
| mihgen | there were issue | 16:13 |
| mihgen | fixed by aglarendil today | 16:13 |
| dpyzhov | Does juno passed nightly tests? | 16:13 |
| mihgen | I want to get status first that we don't see random regressions first | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | once we are stable there and there, we should drop 6.0-icehouse | 16:14 |
| mihgen | another question to devops | 16:14 |
| mihgen | what do we use for Fuel CI now | 16:14 |
| mihgen | for fuel-library checks | 16:14 |
| mihgen | icehouse or we switched to juno packages? | 16:14 |
| mihgen | bookwar: teran_ nurla ^^^ | 16:14 |
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| kozhukalov | any other q? | 16:14 |
| xarses | mihgen: i'd like to know too | 16:15 |
| bookwar | mihgen: we tested juno iso and it failed | 16:15 |
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| bookwar | mihgen: currently it continues to use very old icehouse iso image | 16:16 |
| bookwar | qa team works on fixing the tests | 16:16 |
| xarses | yuck | 16:16 |
| mihgen | bookwar: failed what? | 16:16 |
| mihgen | any bug? BVT passes, so what fails? | 16:16 |
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| bookwar | https://fuel-jenkins.mirantis.com/job/master_fuellib_review_systest_ubuntu/2826/console | 16:16 |
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| bookwar | the empty test on already merged fuel-library code ^^ | 16:17 |
| mihgen | bookwar: nice, good test. | 16:17 |
| mihgen | bookwar: any bug on that? who is working on fixing it? | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | it's important to quickly switch to juno packages in Fuel CI | 16:18 |
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| bookwar | it is supposed to be cuased by this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128680/ ddmitriev will take a look, if it takes more than half an hour, i'll file a bug | 16:18 |
| nurla | Dennis are working on fix | 16:18 |
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| mihgen | nurla: why don't we just revert it for now? | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | and then provide a better fix? | 16:19 |
| mihgen | trying to fix of the fix of the wrong fix doesn't always work as expected :) | 16:19 |
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| bookwar | we are not sure about the reason yet, we need some time for debugging | 16:20 |
| mihgen | ok | 16:20 |
| nurla | we've have same passed tests against 6.0 iso, if dennis can't find problem in hour | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | moving on? | 16:20 |
| mihgen | all right, ddmitriev wokring on it? | 16:20 |
| nurla | i'll revert fix | 16:20 |
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| nurla | yep | 16:20 |
| mihgen | ok, thanks | 16:20 |
| mihgen | let's move on then | 16:20 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Gerrit move status (rvyalov) | 16:20 |
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| rvyalov | we deploy new gerrit instance. we move all non openstack packages and openstack specs to gerrit instance . All the repositories in old gerrit will be read-only access to create request/merge and etc | 16:21 |
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| rvyalov | We planned to move to current 17/10 Friday | 16:21 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: excellent | 16:21 |
| mihgen | rvyalov: looking forward to see us being able to build ISO with pure vanilla openstack code | 16:21 |
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| kozhukalov | cool ) | 16:22 |
| angdraug | me too. is that the next step? | 16:22 |
| angdraug | or is there anything else we have to do first? | 16:22 |
| mihgen | angdraug: yes. This is pre-requisite for many other things | 16:22 |
| mihgen | as I undertand - rvyalov please correct if not | 16:22 |
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| rvyalov | yes, we can use public gerrit for get openstack specs and build openstack packages when building ISO | 16:23 |
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| rvyalov | we publish all openstack specs for deb and rpm | 16:23 |
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| mihgen | ok, let's cross fingers - I'm expecting to see gerrit working on the weekend :) | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Decreasing the size of upgrade tarball (kozhukalov) | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | the progress here is quite good | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | there are PRs | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128323/ | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | about upgrade script | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124734/ | 16:25 |
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| kozhukalov | about make system | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | I still need to add some code to last one | 16:25 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: what's going to be the decrease in %? | 16:26 |
| mihgen | from what would be if we don't do it? | 16:26 |
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| kozhukalov | I believe on Monday-Tuesday we'll be ready to show a demo | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | I still don't know exactly | 16:26 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: any testing was already done with repos? Just want to make sure we don't face some weirdness with repos / yum / apt-get | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | one of estimations was 50% | 16:26 |
| angdraug | spec is still in review | 16:27 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121591/ | 16:27 |
| kozhukalov | yes, Serge Kulanov has tested his patch | 16:27 |
| kozhukalov | and he was able to create a diff repo | 16:27 |
| mihgen | what do we need to complete the spec? | 16:27 |
| kozhukalov | we decided to use md5 sums to figure out which packages we need to add into a diff repo | 16:28 |
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| kozhukalov | angdraug: yes, I just didn't have enough time to review them | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: we need to add another patch to make system so as to be able to insert diff repos into tarball | 16:29 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: ok, thanks. Let's get reviewers.. | 16:29 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: ok | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | moving on | 16:30 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Image based provisioning (kozhukalov) | 16:30 |
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| kozhukalov | today around 10 PRs were merged | 16:30 |
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| kozhukalov | last week we decided to implement choosing which provision scheme to use as a radio button on a setting tab | 16:31 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: hmm where do you get reviewers for them?) | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | it is already merged | 16:31 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: radio button is great. So it's just per env setting? | 16:32 |
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| kozhukalov | they were D Shulyak, A Kasatkin and A Gordeev | 16:32 |
| mihgen | you can choose to provision one env with old anaconda, another - image-based? | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: exactly | 16:32 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: what's the overall status? how much work is left still? any serios issues? | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | so we still need to add mdadm package to ubuntu mirror | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | and merge image building scripts | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | which were under work last days | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | i hope it just some bugs are still needed to be fixed and that is it | 16:34 |
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| kozhukalov | one of the members of QA team has already touched this feature | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | any other q? | 16:35 |
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| kozhukalov | ok moving on then | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Upstream neutron manifests (xenolog) | 16:36 |
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| xenolog | ISO with June and upstream Neutron is ready (custom ISO #65). | 16:36 |
| xenolog | I tested it by hands. | 16:36 |
| xenolog | System tests (#126, #127, #128) is going now. | 16:36 |
| xenolog | My opinion -- changes ready to merge, iso -- for QA team. | 16:36 |
| xenolog | Neutron team also tested lastest changes. | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | xenolog thanx | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov | any q? | 16:38 |
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| mihgen | xenolog: thx | 16:38 |
| angdraug | xarses: how's review status of ^ | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov | we still have 20 minutes | 16:38 |
| mihgen | what are we waiting for merging this? | 16:38 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: angdraug - ^^ | 16:38 |
| mihgen | when can we merge upstream puppet modules for neutron | 16:39 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: we are waiting for custom tests to pass | 16:39 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: custom bvts i mean | 16:39 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: with latest master | 16:39 |
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| aglarendil | mihgen: and upstream neutron code | 16:39 |
| angdraug | review by xarses from yesterday requested some coding style changes, are all these now addressed? | 16:39 |
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| aglarendil | angdraug: I am not aware of them | 16:40 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: could you send particular links, please? | 16:40 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103280/ | 16:41 |
| xarses | angdraug: correct, mostly stile issues, I will check in the AM, there was a note on the card that there where rebase changes I'll probably poke around there | 16:41 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103279/ | 16:41 |
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| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103278/28 | 16:41 |
| xarses | s/stile/style | 16:41 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126010/ | 16:42 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126414/ | 16:42 |
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| aglarendil | angdraug: xarses actually, I do not see any -1's from Andrew there | 16:43 |
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| xarses | thanks angdraug | 16:43 |
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| angdraug | aglarendil: see patchset 52 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103280/ | 16:43 |
| xarses | xenolog: you fixed the issue you noted in the card with the iso being broken? | 16:44 |
| xenolog | broken was previous ISO | 16:44 |
| xarses | ok | 16:44 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, guys | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov | looks like we have nothing to discuss any more | 16:46 |
| mihgen | thanks fokls | 16:46 |
| mihgen | folks* | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov | ending? | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | have a good day! | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov | thanx everyone | 16:47 |
| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 16:47:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-10-16-16.01.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-10-16-16.01.txt | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-10-16-16.01.log.html | 16:47 |
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| tmcpeak | wasssup!? | 17:01 |
| chair6 | hola! | 17:01 |
| bknudson | ossg meeting today? | 17:01 |
| shohel02 | hi | 17:01 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: welcome back! | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: thank you sir :) | 17:01 |
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| bdpayne | hey guys | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | yo! | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei is on his way | 17:02 |
| bknudson | we're all too busy dealing with the vulnerability of the week. | 17:02 |
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| bdpayne | heh | 17:03 |
| bdpayne | there is some truth to that | 17:03 |
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| nkinder | can't wait to see what next week has in store... | 17:03 |
| bdpayne | shohel02 I'm sending you an email now :-) | 17:03 |
| bdpayne | shohel02 Re elections | 17:03 |
| shohel02 | okey | 17:03 |
| bknudson | I couldn't figure out from the poodle description if there's a client vulnerabiity, too. | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei_ | Hey :) | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 17:04:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:04 |
| rlpple | #info | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Hi all, sorry I'm late, how is everyone ? | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | woo \o/ | 17:04 |
| sarnold007 | Helllo | 17:04 |
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| bknudson | hi | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Great, so agenda wise I don't have a big list as I've been tied up in stuff this week | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | I'd like to talk about Swift encryption and the elections | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | what else? | 17:06 |
| nkinder | poodle? | 17:06 |
| nkinder | ossn status | 17:06 |
| shohel02 | threat modeling status | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Great | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok well lets plough on then I guess. | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Who's been following the swift encryption spec? | 17:06 |
| nkinder | I've looked it over a bit | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123220/ | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | still meaning to do a thorough review | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | It got pretty messy between patchsets 3 and 4 | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | There's a few things that are a bit off or not in line with best practice, I'm hoping the OSSG can help with this. | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | If no one has any opinions they want to share we can move on :) | 17:08 |
| notmyname | unfortunately, I'm in a meeting right now and can't fully participate here, but I'm talking with sam about it | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | cool, thanks notmyname - my feeling is that there's alot of good thinking there | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | notmyname: let me know if I can help | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | I guess we'll move it on to the Elections then | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic elections | 17:11 |
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| bdpayne | hey guys | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | so we have an election now with two people in the running | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | So far we have two candidates, myself and Cody Bunch from Rackspace (one of the authors of the security guide) | 17:11 |
| bdpayne | yeah, what he said | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | how do we vote? | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | You will get an email with instructions next week | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | Monday, if all goes well | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | it will be just like voting for a PTL or TC member, if you'd done that | 17:12 |
| rlpple | k | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | It'd be good to hear more from the community about what they want for the next release. In addition to what I put in my email I also want to get more official recognition by OpenStack as we've consistently shown benefit to the community :) | 17:12 |
| bdpayne | right now we are sorting out who is allowed to vote | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | bdpayne: Any problems getting that sorted | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | it's just some leg work... but we can build on what I did last time so it should be pretty managable | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | we tried to broadly define an active OSSG participant | 17:13 |
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| bdpayne | which means identifying those that fit the criteria takes some searching :-) | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | bdpayne: if you want help with legwork I'll pitch in | 17:14 |
| bdpayne | I encourage people to review the criteria on the wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/OSSG_Lead_Election_Fall_2014 | 17:14 |
| bdpayne | if you think that you should be allowed to vote, please feel free to drop me a line with the evidence | 17:14 |
| bdpayne | that might save us some time | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | So Tim (tkelsey) who isn't here right now, has a script for doing some indexing of OSSG members, used it to work out how well (or not) we react to the SecurityImpact tag | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | ^ Potentially useful | 17:14 |
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| bdpayne | shohel02 will be helping me with this, I believe... but I'll let you know if we need more help tmcpeak, thanks | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne: ok cool, sounds good | 17:15 |
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| shohel02 | my pleasure bdpayne.. | 17:15 |
| bdpayne | ah yes, I have a similar script I wrote for this last time around | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Awesome, thanks bdpayne, shohel02 tmcpeak | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Figured you would bdpayne | 17:15 |
| bdpayne | so that's all I have unless there are questions | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool, thanks for this guys! | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Poodle! | 17:16 |
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| dg__ | yay poodle | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | So my read is the world is ending again, right? | 17:16 |
| nkinder | So, the big question is "Should we issue an OSSN for this?" | 17:16 |
| bknudson | is there an attack on the client, too? | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | nah, upgrade to Win7, you'll be fine | 17:16 |
| bdpayne | lol | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: I think we should | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | :D | 17:16 |
| bdpayne | I think the thing with POODLE is that mediation takes some thought | 17:16 |
| bknudson | there will likely be an ossa | 17:16 |
| bdpayne | an OSSN could be useful | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Plenty of ways OpenStack can be affected, mediation is expansive | 17:17 |
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| bdpayne | an OSSA, really? | 17:17 |
| nkinder | yeah, I'm not sure there will be an OSSA | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:17 |
| bdpayne | lol, all of you guys with your inside knowledge | 17:17 |
| bknudson | I don't want to say too much | 17:17 |
| bdpayne | fair enough | 17:17 |
| dg__ | I would be surprised if there is a OSSA, they seem very reluctant to issue them that seems operational | 17:17 |
| bknudson | although it should be obvious | 17:17 |
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| dg__ | omg, I have lost the ability to write in sentences, apologies | 17:18 |
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| nkinder | So regardless of OSSA, there are a lot of areas outside of OpenStack that need proper cipher configurationb | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | And some areas where there's not a brilliant option today, like Pound. | 17:18 |
| nkinder | So an OSSA doesn't entirely solve the issue | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | (Unless you class going straight to TLS1.2 as brilliant, which I do) | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | +2 for a Poodle OSSN. | 17:19 |
| nkinder | So areas to cover would be eventlet, httpd, nginx, pound, stud, and HAProxy | 17:19 |
| dg__ | +1 for TLS1.2 | 17:19 |
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| bdpayne | nkinder also client side | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | So kinda | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | For a project like OpenStack, I agree you need to address client side too | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | is it similarly vulnerable? | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | also for people that have clouds that have clients that reach outside of the cloud for services like ldap, syslog, etc | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | but for most deployers, they only care about server side. If you fix taht everywhere, you don't need to worry about the clients connecting right? | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: good point | 17:21 |
| bknudson | is there an actual attack on the client? | 17:21 |
| bknudson | from a MITM? | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | you need either the client or the server to be fixed | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | if they are both not fixed, then you can get downgraded and attacked | 17:21 |
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| bdpayne | so if the only thing you control is the client, then you are best advised to fix the client | 17:21 |
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| rlpple | right if the client is compromised, then info is leaked | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | I thought the attack involved javascript running on the client side to send to a different server, what's the flip side of that? | 17:22 |
| rlpple | if the server compromised same | 17:22 |
| bdpayne | i.e., go configure your web browsers now ;-) | 17:22 |
| bknudson | the clients in openstack can be the python libs. | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: that's the demo of the vulnerability in the protocol but there are likely other exploitation vectors | 17:22 |
| bknudson | and the CLIs | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | ahh | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | yes, I guess compromised server code could do the same | 17:23 |
| bdpayne | so yeah, the openstack python clients are certainly worth discussing in this context | 17:23 |
| bdpayne | along with other services in the cloud that act as ssl clients | 17:23 |
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| nkinder | So there are a lot of scenarios to cover, and I don't think we can cover everything in detail. The scope is just too large. | 17:23 |
| bdpayne | right | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Well focus on the fundamentals | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | I would shy away from talking about specific technologies in this one | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | or maybe even on detection/verification | 17:24 |
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| bdpayne | i.e., don't say how to fix nginx | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | How to verify with s_client for instance | 17:24 |
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| bdpayne | but say more generally that you need to disable sslv3 and/or use the new handshake protocol | 17:24 |
| nkinder | ok, so a "disable SSLv3" recommendation essentially | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: the security guide addresses configuration of at least three SSL terminators | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | s_client verification is a very good thing to mention, yeah | 17:24 |
| shohel02 | regarding mitigation approach... is there any solution other than not using SSL3.0 | 17:24 |
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| dg__ | not really | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | yes | 17:25 |
| nkinder | and call out where SSL might be used in OpenStack so people have some idea of where they need to look | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | OpenSSL just released an update | 17:25 |
| dg__ | bdpayne go on | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: +1 | 17:25 |
| bknudson | do you think openstack should now default to not allow SSL3.0? | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | there was some packet fragmentation approach that mitigated it | 17:25 |
| bknudson | maybe OpenSSL will do that for us. | 17:25 |
| bdpayne | TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV | 17:25 |
| chair6 | there is an alternate remdiation to protect downgrade of TLS -> SSLv3 | 17:25 |
| chair6 | yeah, that ^ | 17:25 |
| bdpayne | I am personally not a huge fan of this | 17:25 |
| chair6 | but disabling SSLv3 is still the best approach | 17:25 |
| bdpayne | but it will get deployed and it will do the trick... at least for now | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | not packet but bloc | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | k | 17:26 |
| bdpayne | I have found that you can disable sslv3 and still get very nice client compatibility by keeping the sslv23 handshake option enabled | 17:26 |
| bdpayne | b/c poodle affects the protocol, not the handshake | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | is 2.3 for sure not vulnerable? | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | What clients _have_ to use SSL3 ? | 17:26 |
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| bdpayne | ie6 | 17:27 |
| nkinder | yeah, IE6 is the one that I know of | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | Right, that's very application specific | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | i.e Horizon | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | for those that want a useful technical writeup, I recommend https://www.dfranke.us/posts/2014-10-14-how-poodle-happened.html | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | Only affects govt sector I'd imagine | 17:27 |
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| bknudson | I've been assuming that client compatibility for the REST APIs isn't going to be a big deal. | 17:27 |
| nkinder | So who has the cycles to write up an OSSN for this? | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Everyone else isn't 10 years behind | 17:27 |
| nkinder | bknudson: +1 | 17:27 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: 10 is being nice... :) | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: Throw it on the stack, I'll find someone to do it | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: yarp! | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | I might be able to do it | 17:28 |
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| bdpayne | I'm spending the day dealing with some customer communication around this | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | and that actually fits in nicely | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet | 17:28 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: great, thanks! | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | #action bdpayne to write a story about poodles | 17:28 |
| bdpayne | heh, my life story | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | o.O | 17:29 |
| bdpayne | nothing to see here... carry on ;-) | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | ok, what's next peeps - OSSN status? | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | #topic ossn status | 17:29 |
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| nkinder | here's the current queue - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/ | 17:30 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: you have a simple whitespace issue to fix up for the legacy notes | 17:31 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: do you want me to take care of it today? | 17:31 |
| nkinder | I'd like to get those merged | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: If that's all it needs sure | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks | 17:31 |
| nkinder | 0025 is close, but there was a -1 added there - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117928/ | 17:32 |
| nkinder | It seems that Stuart wants it to be more obvious that this only affects multi-tenant mode | 17:32 |
| nkinder | That should be a minor tweak for Nathaniel to make, then this should be ready to close out | 17:32 |
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| hyakuhei | Great | 17:33 |
| nkinder | so here's 0025... | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: Can you get that done? | 17:33 |
| nkinder | #link https://review.openstack.org/117928 | 17:33 |
| nkinder | Tim also has one out for review... | 17:33 |
| nkinder | #link https://review.openstack.org/128636 | 17:33 |
| nkinder | So if anyone is itching to review something, please have at it :) | 17:34 |
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| sicarie | hyakuhei: yep, I'll get that out in the next 2 hours | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | Great, thanks sicarie | 17:34 |
| nkinder | I added a new Cinder one to the queue as well this week | 17:34 |
| nkinder | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1329214 | 17:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1329214 in cinder "tgtadm iscsi chap does not work" [Critical,Fix released] | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | Saw that, I think we had a similar one recently? | 17:35 |
| nkinder | It seems like a pretty simple one with a fix that is on the way. It's really just something we should raise awareness on and recommend updating to get the fix. | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Bug I mean | 17:35 |
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| hyakuhei | cool | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else nkinder ? | 17:35 |
| nkinder | No, that's about it on the OSSN front right now | 17:35 |
| rlpple | need to step away. will look at the review list. | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Threat Modelling | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | shohel02: You're up :) | 17:36 |
| shohel02 | yes | 17:36 |
| shohel02 | threat modeling template and process docs are still in review | 17:37 |
| shohel02 | we have added threat modeling report for keystonemiddleware | 17:37 |
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| shohel02 | so show how the template and process can be used | 17:37 |
| shohel02 | updated in the new patch | 17:37 |
| shohel02 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121034/ | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | I've reviewed that, it'd be good to get more eyes on | 17:38 |
| shohel02 | definately | 17:38 |
| shohel02 | i think keystonemiddleware case can give some insights ...what it looks like | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | would be a good thing to get bknudson to look at perhaps ? | 17:39 |
| shohel02 | definately keystonemiddleware devs can help | 17:40 |
| bknudson | I'll add it to my list | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Thank you :) | 17:40 |
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| shohel02 | others review also welcome | 17:41 |
| nkinder | I wonder if it's possible to have the threat modelling docs built as a part of the gate job | 17:41 |
| nkinder | It would make it easier to review the end content | 17:42 |
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| bdpayne | yeah, that would be nice | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:42 |
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| shohel02 | nkinder: what does this mean..during spec writing process | 17:43 |
| nkinder | I know that the keystone dev docs work that way | 17:43 |
| nkinder | shohel02: take a look at this review for an example... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124095/ | 17:43 |
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| nkinder | If you click on the 'gate-keystone-docs' job, it brings you to the built docs using the patch | 17:44 |
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| shohel02 | okey | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Interesting idea, certainly would make reading through them easier | 17:46 |
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| nkinder | shohel02: that doesn't block your work, but it really helps when reviewing | 17:46 |
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| shohel02 | yah looks promising... may be we get more involvement by that | 17:47 |
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| nkinder | Are there any topics to discuss around the Summit? | 17:48 |
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| nkinder | such as a VMT/OSSG get-together? | 17:48 |
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| hyakuhei | Swift crypto, Bandit Integration, VMT+OSSG | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | Oh to discuss now? I'm not sure | 17:49 |
| nkinder | yeah, I meant now | 17:49 |
| bknudson | is ossg on the schedule? | 17:49 |
| bknudson | do we have a slot? | 17:49 |
| nkinder | No, not out own | 17:49 |
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| nkinder | We were invited to participate in the VMT slot | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | Despite trying, VMT have offered to combine theres with ours | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | Which was nice | 17:49 |
| nkinder | I also asked for our own table to have informal discussions and meet up, but we won't get our own officially. | 17:50 |
| nkinder | We can slap a sign on one to lay claim to it though | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, I like bdpayne's idea of having our own little track | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Maybe we should consider some informal lightning talks or something | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | crazy ideas etc | 17:50 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 17:50 |
| nkinder | We should figure out a schedule for that | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | Tuesday most likely | 17:51 |
| shohel02 | slap a sign on+ | 17:51 |
| nkinder | Yeah, I need to look at the schedule, but I think W-F is when I'm most busy in Keystone stuff | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | IIRC Security is M W | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | but that's without checking | 17:52 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: you mean the official sessions, not design stuff, right? | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | YEh | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so we need to work out when is the best time for us to sit down together | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | #topic any other business | 17:54 |
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| nkinder | nothing else from me... | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, well I guess we can call that a wrap then, thank you everyone! | 17:55 |
| bdpayne | I guess it's back to attacking poodle | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| bknudson | thanks | 17:56 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 17:56:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-16-17.04.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-16-17.04.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-10-16-17.04.log.html | 17:56 |
| nkinder | thanks all! | 17:56 |
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| tmcpeak | later! | 17:56 |
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| tonytan4ever | \o | 18:59 |
| obulpathi | o/ | 18:59 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 18:59 |
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| malini | #startmeeting: poppy | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 18:59:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is malini. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '__poppy' | 19:00 |
| malini | who is here for poppy? | 19:00 |
| obulpathi | hi there o/ | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | o/ | 19:00 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:00 |
| malini | hello amitgandhinz | 19:00 |
| malini | #chair amitgandhinz | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: amitgandhinz malini | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | hi everyone | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | ok lets get this party started =) | 19:02 |
| obulpathi | yay | 19:02 |
| obulpathi | party | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Review Last Week | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-10-09-19.00.html | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | obulpathi to finalize on the format of the next_url for listing services | 19:02 |
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| obulpathi | yes | 19:02 |
| obulpathi | I contacted the DRG and took feedback from them | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | did the apiary doc get updated? | 19:03 |
| obulpathi | a good way to structure the next links: is to leave it empty for the last batch | 19:03 |
| obulpathi | yes | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:03 |
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| obulpathi | and the implementation is also done | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | =) | 19:03 |
| obulpathi | as a part of the list end point | 19:03 |
| obulpathi | :) | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | ok next item: megan_w to gauge vendor participation in Paris | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | megan_w is not around | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | any vendors here today? | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | anyone else planning to attend the openstack summit in paris? | 19:05 |
| obulpathi | nop | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok carry this one over | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | #action megan_w to gauge vendor participation in Paris | 19:05 |
| megan_w_ | here | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | hi megan_w_ | 19:06 |
| megan_w_ | hi there | 19:06 |
| obulpathi | hi megan_w | 19:06 |
| megan_w_ | do we have any vendors here with us today? | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | no one appears to be | 19:06 |
| megan_w_ | we need to get better about communicating with so they get here | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:06 |
| megan_w_ | with them* | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | do you know if any of them plan to attend paris? | 19:07 |
| megan_w_ | i don't, i was hoping we could discuss it in these meetings | 19:07 |
| megan_w_ | we should propose what we would want from them in the session | 19:07 |
| megan_w_ | then ask for attendance | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh, may need to encourage them outside these meetings | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | it will be a design session, so the idea is to come up with the features to build during kilo | 19:08 |
| megan_w_ | take it away, PTL :) | 19:08 |
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| megan_w_ | hmm, ok | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on... | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Blueprint Updates | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: list-services | 19:09 |
| obulpathi | list-services is merged | 19:09 |
| megan_w_ | moving on | 19:09 |
| obulpathi | thanks all for the review | 19:09 |
| obulpathi | and special thanks to malini | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | for having lot of patience to find all the bugs iun my code :) | 19:10 |
| malini | obulpathi: I was expecting something bad :D | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: add-docstrings | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | hahha | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | looks like that one needs me to review | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: delete-service | 19:11 |
| tonytan4ever | This one is "under review", but really it is ready to be merged. | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | no one has +1'd the latest patch yet | 19:12 |
| tonytan4ever | I cleared the api test blocker yesterday, | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | ok lets get some reviewers on that | 19:12 |
| obulpathi | roger that | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: purge-content | 19:12 |
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| tonytan4ever | I will call that in Good progress. 1st PR got +3 | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | ready to be merged now. | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126728/ | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | actually has a +4 hehe | 19:13 |
| malini | :-Pdoes jenkins count? | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | no, but mine is a +2 =P | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | merged! | 19:14 |
| tonytan4ever | kk | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | this was at the provider part only right | 19:14 |
| tonytan4ever | yes | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | so still needs api work | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | ill mark it as good progress | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | yes, that's what I am working on now. | 19:15 |
| tonytan4ever | Sure. | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | amitgandhinz: dns-driver | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | this one as an initial patch to create the basic driver setup | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | then i need to implement the cloud-dns-driver which is a seperate bp | 19:15 |
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| amitgandhinz | i currently only have 2 +1's | 19:16 |
| malini | o/ | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | i need one more malini | 19:16 |
| malini | tht would be really bad | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127628/ | 19:16 |
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| malini | will check that out | 19:17 |
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| amitgandhinz | cloud-dns-driver already has a +3 but it depends on the above patch | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: patch-service | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | patch-service: happy path test cases are passing now | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | going through and ironing out the error inputs | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | so, we can say its in good progress | 19:19 |
| malini | obulpathi: can you re-use some of the code for POST service for error handling? | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | will update the apiary, once I finish the error cases | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | malini: the json service is validated by the same code as post | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | but there are few more conditions that PATCH needs to take care of | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | I am working through them | 19:20 |
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| malini | cool! thanks | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | :) | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok update on the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/master-sub-provider-accounts | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | megan_w_ and I met with MaxCDN yesterday | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | the CDN Manager is not actually required | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | it basically give syou the added bonus of seperate control panels for each sub user | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | which in the case of poppy we dont need | 19:21 |
| megan_w_ | i think that will end up being a more generic solution anyway, which is preferred for us | 19:21 |
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| amitgandhinz | if you plan to do reporting, billing, etc on your own from the logs, then the one account method works fine | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | just need to up the limits | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | im going to mark this bp as done | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | awesome! | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | I think we also need to find a better naming scheme from poppy service --> maxcdn service though. | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | lets move that to open discussion tonytan4ever | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | ok. | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: gate-cassandra | 19:23 |
| malini | I haven't got a chance to work on tht yet | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:23 |
| malini | It'll probably have to move to the next Series Goal | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | same with the rm-mockdb | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | that bp is blocked until we can run cassandra at the gate or we have sqla | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic bugs | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | link https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:25 |
| malini | yayyyy !!! | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | malini: you want to drive this topic | 19:25 |
| malini | sure | 19:25 |
| malini | the bugs need some love | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | ew | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | hhaha | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | kiss the spiders | 19:25 |
| malini | We have a lot surrounding the error handling for create flavors | 19:25 |
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| malini | amitgandhinz: I meant more along the lines of bugspray | 19:26 |
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| malini | I suggest we make a bp for it, as I got tired of writing down the bugs & stopped after a while :-$ | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | ok please do that | 19:26 |
| malini | ok..will do after the meeting & get rid of the related bugs | 19:27 |
| malini | tht still leaves us a few bugs | 19:27 |
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| malini | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1379901 | 19:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1379901 in poppy "400s returns as HTML" [Undecided,New] | 19:27 |
| malini | wow..I didn't know it wud fetch bug details | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | ya thats cool | 19:27 |
| tonytan4ever | I think I can fix that one real quick | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | ok lets get this one | 19:28 |
| malini | tonytan4ever: Can I assign tht to you? | 19:28 |
| tonytan4ever | by utilizing Pheniox's pecan hook's code | 19:28 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | +1 | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | next | 19:28 |
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| malini | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1380679 | 19:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1380679 in poppy "Remove project_id from the request url in tests" [Undecided,New] | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | I added the pecan hook to take care of this | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | is this still an issue? | 19:29 |
| malini | we need to cleanup the unit tests | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | we just need to use the url format code | 19:29 |
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| obulpathi | I think in some cases, we still return the tenant / project id | 19:29 |
| malini | obulpathi: you want to take that one? | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | Yes,Please | 19:29 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok so sounds like we need to sweep | 19:29 |
| malini | can you assign urself obulpathi ? | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | Amitgandhinz: Assign this to me | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | all these dead bugs are starting to smell | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | sure | 19:30 |
| malini | they'll breed if live | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | assigned | 19:30 |
| malini | last one is interesting | 19:30 |
| malini | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1382155 | 19:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1382155 in poppy "/health endpoint returns wrong status when cassandra is offline" [Undecided,New] | 19:30 |
| malini | I ran into this one just an hour back | 19:30 |
| malini | so its still fresh | 19:30 |
| obulpathi | The cassandra driver is hardcoded to return True | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | My bad, should have taken care of that | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | I will take care of this one | 19:31 |
| malini | can you assign urself obulpathi? | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | assigned | 19:31 |
| malini | thanks amitgandhinz :) | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | thanks | 19:31 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1379901 shud go to tonytan4ever | 19:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1379901 in poppy "400s returns as HTML" [Undecided,New] | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | done | 19:31 |
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| malini | the rest is post flavor related. I'll create a bp for tht | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks | 19:32 |
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| malini | we missed this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1375341 | 19:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1375341 in poppy "Error Messages in test logs" [Medium,Confirmed] | 19:32 |
| malini | do we care to fix it now? | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | thats a lower priority | 19:32 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: can you change the priority, plz? | 19:33 |
| malini | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1375341 | 19:33 |
| malini | hmm…why didn't it fetch the summary? | 19:33 |
| malini | "Unable to create a distribution with multiple origins for CloudFront driver" | 19:33 |
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| malini | obulpathi: can this wait? | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | This one got to do with teh limitations of boto | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | the cloudfront client | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | so, we can fix this until we fix the boto | 19:34 |
| malini | ok | 19:34 |
| malini | do we have an issue open for boto? | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | yes, this can wait, unless amitgandhinz says otherwise | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | low | 19:35 |
| malini | obulpathi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1359950 what abt this one? | 19:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1359950 in poppy "Support for updating service with CloudFront driver is missing" [Undecided,New] | 19:35 |
| obulpathi | thats is a different one | 19:35 |
| malini | yes | 19:35 |
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| amitgandhinz | is there a way that can be surfaced via tests rather than as a bug? | 19:36 |
| obulpathi | cloudfront python client has limited capabilities right now | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | because as new drivers are built its possible they lack a feature and i would rather the tests identify that than have an open bug for it | 19:36 |
| tonytan4ever | +1 on that. | 19:37 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: you want the tests to keep failing for these? | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | ie run the api tests against each provider | 19:37 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | they can be made non failing, just informational | 19:37 |
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| amitgandhinz | ie its own environment in tox? | 19:37 |
| malini | We can skip the tests with INFO message, but when do we decide it's time to not skip them? | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | that appears on the review page? | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | im just thinking when a new provider build their own driver, and stops half way it should not halt poppy | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | but users should be able to see that driver X is failing in these areas so choose not to use it | 19:38 |
| malini | yeah..I think we need to somehow track them | 19:38 |
| obulpathi | +1 good idea | 19:38 |
| malini | SKIPPED tests usually get ignored | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | lets discuss that offline | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | maybe failing but non voting? | 19:38 |
| malini | ok | 19:38 |
| malini | lets chat in #openstack-poppy | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:39 |
| malini | tht's all for bugs | 19:39 |
| obulpathi | cool | 19:39 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: we can move to the next topic | 19:39 |
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| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Standardized Error Responses | 19:39 |
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| miqui | hi folks..sorry am late.. | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Proposed/APIGuidelines#Failure_Codes | 19:39 |
| obulpathi | hi miqui | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | hi miqui | 19:40 |
| malini | miqui: glad you could make it :) | 19:40 |
| miqui | hi | 19:40 |
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| malini | So I am running into issues where our error messages don't make sense | 19:40 |
| malini | which is bad for a project as young as us | 19:40 |
| malini | example error: | 19:40 |
| malini | { | 19:40 |
| malini | Â Â "code": 400, | 19:40 |
| malini | Â Â "description": "u'fastly'", | 19:40 |
| malini | Â Â "title": "Bad Request" | 19:40 |
| malini | } | 19:40 |
| miqui | malini: is that becuase the msg is different per vendor? | 19:40 |
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| malini | miqui: even within our code we are not providing descriptive error messages | 19:41 |
| miqui | gotcha... | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | i think its just lacking in quality messages being surfaced | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | we need to be better at handling errors, and outlining why it failed | 19:41 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: yes | 19:41 |
| miqui | +1 | 19:42 |
| malini | If it fails with a 400, we shouldn't leave the user wondering why | 19:42 |
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| tonytan4ever | #agreed | 19:42 |
| malini | tonytan4ever never argues :) | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed to handle error messages better | 19:42 |
| miqui | ..heheh | 19:42 |
| tonytan4ever | #agreed | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | i dont think tonytan4ever knows that using a hashtag logs it in the summary lol | 19:42 |
| tonytan4ever | #agreed | 19:42 |
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| malini | what does everybody think of this format https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Proposed/APIGuidelines#Failure_Codes ? | 19:43 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html | 19:43 |
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| obulpathi | yes, I also wanted to bring up about the API Guidelines | 19:43 |
| obulpathi | I will be good for to study this and pick up good parts | 19:43 |
| * miqui reading... | 19:44 | |
| amitgandhinz | that format looks better than what i proposed in the apiary docs | 19:44 |
| * amitgandhinz which somehow disappeared hmmmm | 19:44 | |
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| miqui | i think the APIGuidelines is fine... | 19:44 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: it made rom for something better | 19:44 |
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| malini | since we all agree, should this go to a bp to clean up existing stuff? | 19:45 |
| malini | All new code should follow this format | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:45 |
| miqui | yes | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | we should have a standardized class for it | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | and use that | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | also we should be using the oslo logging more when errors do happen | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | we are very light on log lines | 19:46 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: Can you write up tht bp? | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | will do | 19:46 |
| obulpathi | amitgandhinz: +1 | 19:46 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: good point..these should be stuff to watch out for during reviews | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | yep | 19:46 |
| malini | we need review guidelines in the wiki | 19:46 |
| miqui | question: an error msg fromthe vendor would end up in message: right? | 19:46 |
| malini | tonytan4ever can answer that best | 19:47 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: its possible | 19:47 |
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| tonytan4ever | Well, not always. | 19:47 |
| amitgandhinz | sometimes poppy could determine why it failed and create a more poppy friendly message back to the user | 19:47 |
| amitgandhinz | sometimes it may make sense for the vendor's error to propogate back | 19:47 |
| miqui | right.. | 19:48 |
| miqui | was trying to gage when to do what.... | 19:48 |
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| amitgandhinz | we should probably make a best guess determination of what will make the most sense to the user | 19:48 |
| miqui | ok, sounds good.. | 19:48 |
| amitgandhinz | for example, if we get a duplicate key exception from a vendor, poppy can relay an appropriate message back | 19:49 |
| miqui | +1 | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | hoever, if a vendor had an unknown exception occur, then we may be best suited to relay that error back | 19:49 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | also, theres a section on friendly user message, and then more details | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | in the guideline proposed | 19:49 |
| miqui | thats a good point becuase vendor support folks are wanting to know this info.. | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed team gets better at handling error messages and logging them | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed team will surface errors based on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Proposed/APIGuidelines#Failure_Codes | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Proposed/APIGuidelines#Failure_Codes | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | 9 minutes remain | 19:50 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic open discussion | 19:51 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: you had an item about using id's | 19:51 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes. | 19:51 |
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| tonytan4ever | Since for vendors like MaxCDN we are not to use Master/Sub accounts, the service name mapping from poppy to maxcdn will be a little tricky. | 19:52 |
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| amitgandhinz | please explain | 19:52 |
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| tonytan4ever | Also for logging purposes, since a poppy service's name can be changed by PATCH endpoint, tracking which provider (say MaxCDN) service belong to which user service will be an issue. | 19:53 |
| malini | does MaxCDN generate its own service name? | 19:54 |
| amitgandhinz | so basically if i call my service "Amits Service" then no one else within maxcdn through my operator account can use that name | 19:54 |
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| amitgandhinz | or more generically "My Service" | 19:54 |
| tonytan4ever | Right, since different users can have same poppy service name | 19:54 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:54 |
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| amitgandhinz | so how about we generate a provider id (uuid) and use that as the servicename with the providers | 19:55 |
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| tonytan4ever | but they cannot have the same MaxCDN service name in the same account | 19:55 |
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| amitgandhinz | and we store that in our provider details ( i think we already have a field for it) | 19:55 |
| malini | hmm..but tht is true for other providers too, rt? like fastly | 19:55 |
| tonytan4ever | That looks like a good idea to me. | 19:55 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes. | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | and so users of poppy can have whatever name (unique by projectid + servicename) | 19:55 |
| tonytan4ever | Same applies for fastly, assume we only use one fastly operator account. | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | and the providers end up have UUID as the servicename/pullzoneid/distributionid | 19:56 |
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| obulpathi | +1 | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | if a user patches the servicename in poppy, the provider id need not change | 19:56 |
| malini | do providers allow different users to have the same service name? | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | no | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | well depends on the provider | 19:56 |
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| amitgandhinz | if its a different account they can have the same name | 19:57 |
| amitgandhinz | but within an account it must be unique | 19:57 |
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| amitgandhinz | in the case of poppy, its one operator account only | 19:57 |
| malini | ok. | 19:57 |
| tonytan4ever | Almost all of the case we are only gonna have one provider service account. | 19:57 |
| amitgandhinz | ok so do we agree to submit a uuid as the name at the provider level? | 19:58 |
| tonytan4ever | agreed. | 19:58 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | i cant see a problem with it | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | the uuid may need to be custom based on name rules at the provider | 19:58 |
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| amitgandhinz | but we already have a function to handle that | 19:59 |
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| amitgandhinz | we just store whatever the id ends up being in the provider-details | 19:59 |
| tonytan4ever | yes. | 19:59 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: miqui: any concerns on this approach? | 19:59 |
| miqui | not atm... | 19:59 |
| malini | hmmm..I am still hazy on the details | 20:00 |
| malini | so no atm :) | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | we can discuss more in the normal channel then | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | time is up | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| malini | thank you!! | 20:00 |
| obulpathi | thank you! | 20:00 |
| obulpathi | see you all next week | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | and miqui, we will see you in a few hours at the tavern! | 20:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| miqui | yup! | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 20:00:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__poppy/2014/__poppy.2014-10-16-18.59.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__poppy/2014/__poppy.2014-10-16-18.59.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__poppy/2014/__poppy.2014-10-16-18.59.log.html | 20:00 |
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| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 20:01:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 20:01 |
| kragniz | o/ | 20:01 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| TravT | \o | 20:01 |
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| nikhil_k | Brian may be missing today's meeting | 20:02 |
| flwang | o/ | 20:02 |
| nikhil_k | let's give it another min | 20:02 |
| zhiyan | o/ | 20:02 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:02 |
| esheffield | o/ | 20:02 |
| nikhil_k | okay! | 20:03 |
| nikhil_k | #topic updates | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:03 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126974/ | 20:03 |
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| nikhil_k | so, we got some feedback on that already I sup | 20:03 |
| nikhil_k | however, let's keep in mind to add tests to tempest for all of our new additions | 20:04 |
| nikhil_k | features, bugs .. stuff | 20:04 |
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| nikhil_k | we go RC3 for glance | 20:04 |
| nikhil_k | for covering out last min bugs and such | 20:04 |
| nikhil_k | a config issue conflicting with documentation was major reason for that | 20:04 |
| nikhil_k | so, what we do not have in Juno is | 20:05 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bugs?field.tag=juno-rc-potential | 20:05 |
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| nikhil_k | for varied reasons | 20:05 |
| nikhil_k | next up! | 20:05 |
| nikhil_k | Please please please vote! | 20:05 |
| nikhil_k | for the TC elections going on | 20:05 |
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| nikhil_k | Believe the deadline is Friday | 20:06 |
| flwang | I have voted :) | 20:06 |
| nikhil_k | next is | 20:06 |
| jokke_ | yeah it's fri by 1300 utc | 20:06 |
| nikhil_k | some feedback from the ptl sync meeting | 20:06 |
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| nikhil_k | agood news for all | 20:06 |
| nikhil_k | we will have a *full* pypi mirrow on the gates | 20:06 |
| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 20:07 |
| kragniz | wooo! | 20:07 |
| nikhil_k | so,not only the req. but also the dep. will be mirrored | 20:07 |
| flwang | awesome | 20:07 |
| ativelkov | cool | 20:07 |
| TravT | so, I hope this means faster tests and less random failures? | 20:07 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 20:07 |
| nikhil_k | hope so | 20:07 |
| nikhil_k | there is no fixed date for the imlementation yet | 20:08 |
| jokke_ | TravT: if the mirror is stable ;) | 20:08 |
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| TravT | jokke_: sshhh.... it'll hear you. | 20:08 |
| nikhil_k | I'll rush through here | 20:08 |
| nikhil_k | tentative deadline for confirming summit topics is Oct 28th | 20:08 |
| nikhil_k | however, for Glance we'd confortable doing it well before | 20:08 |
| nikhil_k | is my understanding at this point | 20:09 |
| nikhil_k | so the email out to ML | 20:09 |
| nikhil_k | if anyone has a link to it :) | 20:09 |
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| nikhil_k | so, if you think your topic needs discussion or further discussion in the summit please do add | 20:09 |
| nikhil_k | *however* | 20:09 |
| nikhil_k | we've limited spots | 20:10 |
| nikhil_k | so please do keep that in mind | 20:10 |
| nikhil_k | again | 20:10 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-summit-topics | 20:10 |
| jokke_ | we have one meeting before the deadline ... let's agree what we push through week now based on what is proposed on the etherpad? | 20:10 |
| nikhil_k | we may be missing flavio here | 20:10 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: ohk yes, good point | 20:11 |
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| nikhil_k | let's discuss the finalizing of topics in just a bit | 20:11 |
| nikhil_k | we prolly should have release of store and client before the summit | 20:12 |
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| nikhil_k | if someone is affected by that please let me know and I will try to do it sooner than later | 20:12 |
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| nikhil_k | else please expect delays as we fix stuff | 20:12 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Virtual Mini Summit | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Virtual Mini Summit (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:13 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-glance-virtual-mini-summit | 20:13 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://doodle.com/e42y2xvrhycqbmu5 | 20:13 |
| nikhil_k | please try to go through the etherpad and do give me your feedback | 20:13 |
| nikhil_k | if the dates do not work please let me know too | 20:13 |
| nikhil_k | will give a min here to let everyone digest that link | 20:14 |
| nikhil_k | and if there are questions | 20:14 |
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| flwang | nikhil_k: what's the time of the virtual summit? | 20:14 |
| nikhil_k | TBD | 20:14 |
| TravT | is vidyo, the new rackspace service you were mentioning? | 20:14 |
| flwang | nikhil_k: ok | 20:14 |
| nikhil_k | so, the in doodle I'd ask you to put your TZ in | 20:14 |
| flwang | got | 20:15 |
| nikhil_k | however, the dates are relative to UTC | 20:15 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: the timeslots for those two days? | 20:15 |
| nikhil_k | based on interest and availability | 20:15 |
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| nikhil_k | kind of a scheduling issue here hence, need feedback soon on that | 20:15 |
| jokke_ | ok, fair enough .. I'll put myself up there, but can't commit before I have the times | 20:16 |
| nikhil_k | we'd prefer to keep things closer to business times in UTC | 20:16 |
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| nikhil_k | so, the possibility of the mini summit ranging over 2 days kind of seems more feasible | 20:16 |
| nikhil_k | just to include everyone in the loop | 20:16 |
| nikhil_k | 3-4 sessions per day | 20:17 |
| nikhil_k | should we move on if there are no more questions? | 20:17 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Introductions Part 2 | 20:18 |
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| TravT | is vidyo better than google hangouts? | 20:18 |
| nikhil_k | much | 20:18 |
| ativelkov | hangouts has a limit for the number of attendees | 20:18 |
| nikhil_k | vidyo here at the Rack can take upto 50 I guess | 20:18 |
| jokke_ | I think the standard hangout is only like 10 people | 20:19 |
| nikhil_k | we'll have to give it a try :) | 20:19 |
| jokke_ | so that vidyo sounds good | 20:19 |
| TravT | ok. | 20:19 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: did you check the recording possibility? | 20:19 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: not yet :) | 20:19 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: what about i's quality for non-US user? like Asia pepople. any feedback for that? | 20:20 |
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| nikhil_k | zhiyan: good question, let's give it a dry run sometime soon before the event | 20:20 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k, zhiyan can we have small 15min test run like tomorrow on that to check the region quality? | 20:20 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: will be great. ping me when you have chance. | 20:20 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: thanks | 20:20 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: zhiyan that sounds good | 20:20 |
| jokke_ | I'm in Europe so we have all majors covered | 20:21 |
| nikhil_k | 14UTC ? | 20:21 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: ? | 20:21 |
| jokke_ | sounds good to me | 20:21 |
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| nikhil_k | feel like we's span the globe as much as possible :) | 20:21 |
| TravT | Yeah, i'm available. | 20:21 |
| nikhil_k | awesome | 20:22 |
| nikhil_k | intro volunteers please ! | 20:22 |
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| nikhil_k | :) | 20:22 |
| jokke_ | kragniz: can you join from office to check that it works within HP firewall? | 20:22 |
| ativelkov | Didn't we agree to update a wiki page with the team members info? | 20:22 |
| kragniz | jokke_: yeah, no problem | 20:22 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: I thought we did | 20:23 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: that's a good idea, who has action item on that..? | 20:23 |
| nikhil_k | we can do that later too | 20:23 |
| nikhil_k | intros! | 20:24 |
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| kragniz | I did an introduction last week! | 20:24 |
| nikhil_k | who's new? | 20:24 |
| nikhil_k | nice. thanks kragniz | 20:24 |
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| nikhil_k | do I allocate slots for people? :) | 20:24 |
| nikhil_k | aight, this seems to be failing bad | 20:25 |
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| kragniz | nikhil_k: I think you're going to have to, if you want people to give them! | 20:25 |
| jokke_ | I think we don't have other news than kragniz ;) | 20:25 |
| nikhil_k | oldies then | 20:25 |
| nikhil_k | how about you? | 20:25 |
| TravT | we have some new people in Intel, but they can't usually make the meeting | 20:25 |
| jokke_ | he is the new new guy! ;) | 20:25 |
| nikhil_k | ok TravT , can you please voluntter? | 20:26 |
| TravT | ok. | 20:26 |
| nikhil_k | give us some inspiration | 20:26 |
| TravT | I'm Travis Tripp from HP. | 20:26 |
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| TravT | been working on cloud / openstack related projects for over 3 years | 20:26 |
| TravT | somehow finally got to start working upstream starting this past February | 20:26 |
| TravT | and I LOVE IT! | 20:27 |
| nikhil_k | woot! | 20:27 |
| kragniz | TravT: \o/ | 20:27 |
| zhiyan | Welcome TravT! | 20:27 |
| ativelkov | that is inspiring indeed) | 20:27 |
| nikhil_k | welcome :) | 20:27 |
| nikhil_k | agree | 20:27 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: next ? | 20:27 |
| ativelkov | ok ) | 20:27 |
| ativelkov | I am Alexander Tivelkov from Mirantis | 20:27 |
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| ativelkov | HAve been with Openstack for about year and a half | 20:28 |
| ativelkov | Core contributor and ex-PTL (if they have PTLs for non-incubated projects) for Murano | 20:28 |
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| ativelkov | Have been interested in Catalog-related stuff for openstack since february | 20:29 |
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| ativelkov | Currently primary working on Artifact initiative. | 20:29 |
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| ativelkov | Want to make Glance more and more important for all the projects across the eco-system, not only Nova | 20:29 |
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| ativelkov | That's it :) | 20:30 |
| nikhil_k | awesome! | 20:30 |
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| TravT | +1 ativelkov | 20:30 |
| nikhil_k | That was great! | 20:30 |
| zhiyan | Welcome ativelkov! Let's make Artifact stuff get landing in K cycle. | 20:30 |
| nikhil_k | welcome :) | 20:30 |
| nikhil_k | or welcome again :) | 20:31 |
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| nikhil_k | for both | 20:31 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: please don't miss the next meeting ;) | 20:31 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Planning, Priorotization, Focus, etc. | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 20:31 |
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| nikhil_k | does anyone feel blocked by me? | 20:32 |
| TravT | yeah, can you move to the left a litte? | 20:32 |
| nikhil_k | lol | 20:32 |
| nikhil_k | sure | 20:32 |
| TravT | thanks | 20:32 |
| nikhil_k | there ya go | 20:32 |
| kragniz | lol | 20:32 |
| jokke_ | no no no, our left ;) | 20:32 |
| nikhil_k | I did, well let me try the other side now | 20:32 |
| hemanthm | you're blocking me now, to the right please | 20:32 |
| TravT | no, now I can't see the TV | 20:33 |
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| nikhil_k | :) | 20:33 |
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| nikhil_k | anyways, that was just a question for following up on office hours | 20:33 |
| nikhil_k | which may be answered | 20:33 |
| nikhil_k | couple of months down the line too | 20:34 |
| ativelkov | So, we have J officially released, should we start with merging what is tagged juno-backport-potential? | 20:34 |
| nikhil_k | just keep in mind before yelling at me, please please :) | 20:34 |
| TravT | yeah, what is the meaning of RC3 if OpenStack was released today? | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | TravT: RC3 was out, what 2 days | 20:34 |
| nikhil_k | RC3 is released, no? | 20:34 |
| nikhil_k | yes | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | just a tarball to give out if something obvious blows up | 20:35 |
| kragniz | rc3 is tagged | 20:35 |
| TravT | ok... just saw that earlier in the meeting and was lost | 20:35 |
| nikhil_k | so RC3 is just for fixing critical bugs | 20:35 |
| ativelkov | Ah, I saw official J release notice in ML | 20:35 |
| ativelkov | wasn't it final? | 20:35 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: yeah that's today | 20:35 |
| nikhil_k | yes, it is | 20:35 |
| nikhil_k | 2014.2.final | 20:35 |
| jokke_ | so proposed/juno should be now stable/juno | 20:35 |
| nikhil_k | or 2014.2.0 final | 20:36 |
| nikhil_k | yeah | 20:36 |
| nikhil_k | however, we may not be able to get all sorts of bugs in stable | 20:36 |
| jokke_ | and we shouldn't | 20:36 |
| nikhil_k | there are restrictions for post-release bugs | 20:36 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: what are they, out of interest? | 20:37 |
| zhiyan | cross fingers | 20:37 |
| jokke_ | should be really just security/stability? | 20:37 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: what do you mean? | 20:37 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yes | 20:37 |
| kragniz | jokke_: okay, that makes sense | 20:37 |
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| nikhil_k | no config changes and anything that breaks the api | 20:37 |
| TravT | what is the criteria for backporting to stable? | 20:37 |
| kragniz | cool | 20:37 |
| jokke_ | nor really "we didn't have time to implement this by release" | 20:38 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: I think they are laid out in wiki somewhere | 20:38 |
| nikhil_k | there are finer lines though | 20:38 |
| nikhil_k | so, basically propose rationally and see if it works | 20:38 |
| TravT | i probably have one to submit. | 20:38 |
| nikhil_k | ok | 20:38 |
| jokke_ | and remember that it needs to be merged on master before it can land | 20:38 |
| TravT | our good friends in Intel are doing further checks. | 20:39 |
| nikhil_k | awesome | 20:39 |
| nikhil_k | checking is gooooood | 20:39 |
| nikhil_k | anyways, we'd a last minute run this release | 20:39 |
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| nikhil_k | we'd prolly try to avoid that next one | 20:40 |
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| nikhil_k | I heard in nova they have a informal freeze | 20:40 |
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| nikhil_k | from kilo-2 | 20:40 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: but they are beast size wise as well | 20:40 |
| jokke_ | same as neutron | 20:40 |
| nikhil_k | yeah | 20:40 |
| nikhil_k | for glance we can do kilo2.5 | 20:40 |
| jokke_ | they need that extra time to stabilize | 20:40 |
| nikhil_k | or even 3 | 20:41 |
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| nikhil_k | we'll know a couple months down the line | 20:41 |
| nikhil_k | really we just need more stuff going through gate | 20:41 |
| nikhil_k | faster | 20:41 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 20:41 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: wasn't freeze at j3 planned for this release cycle? | 20:41 |
| TravT | i think what we really missed was formally targetting bugs for a milestone. | 20:41 |
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| nikhil_k | and zhiyan should not be the one doing more than half of that | 20:41 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: I heard people talking about it, but it didn't seem to happen in glance | 20:41 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: yes, that too | 20:42 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: I'm a bit hesistent about the reviews as well | 20:42 |
| nikhil_k | we'd a really linient review cycle for glance | 20:42 |
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| nikhil_k | usually a simplest of patch takes at least 2-3 PS before landing (with changes) | 20:42 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: frankly, imo team need pay more efforts on review instead of just push code up | 20:43 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: agree | 20:43 |
| kragniz | zhiyan: +1 | 20:43 |
| zhiyan | nikhil_k: we have a lot of dead-end MPs there | 20:43 |
| nikhil_k | yes | 20:43 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: also it seems that more simple the change is the more sloppy it also is regarding the styling etc. | 20:43 |
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| jokke_ | zhiyan: +1 | 20:43 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: about the freeze, yeah .. I'm not sure, there were last minute changes | 20:44 |
| zhiyan | so probably I think in K, we can freeze feature MP pushup in K-2.5 (if have), and focus on review them more | 20:44 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: absolutely | 20:44 |
| ativelkov | As they say, 10 lines of code = 12 comments, 300 lines of code = +1, LGTM :) | 20:44 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: right on! | 20:45 |
| kragniz | is k2.5 a thing, or does that mean half way between k2 and k3? | 20:45 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: and quite often for good reason ;) | 20:45 |
| kragniz | ativelkov: heh | 20:45 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: ideally, we'd have specs approved by k2 | 20:45 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: not good trend 'though | 20:45 |
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| zhiyan | jokke_: for those tiny change, e.g. just one line, or doc update/sync, imho, we can just +2/A directly. and if have issue, we can push a revert commit soon later | 20:45 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: can we just do spec freeze at k2? | 20:45 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: I'd not encourage to have just 1 +2 | 20:46 |
| nikhil_k | *NOT* | 20:46 |
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| nikhil_k | please | 20:46 |
| kragniz | zhiyan: that has the risk of breaking the gate, right? | 20:46 |
| nikhil_k | let's stick to 2 +2s before +A | 20:46 |
| nikhil_k | unless | 20:46 |
| jokke_ | zhiyan: I'm not that worried about those ... I'm more worried about the ones where even the commiter has not reviewd the change one pushed through with simple shell script | 20:46 |
| nikhil_k | *unless* we've certain conditions on the patch like a change needs to land before a certain date and no one is available for review | 20:46 |
| kragniz | jokke_: I think I know who you're talking about ;) | 20:47 |
| jokke_ | kragniz: he's not the only one | 20:47 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: so, good point | 20:47 |
| nikhil_k | we need priorities here | 20:47 |
| zhiyan | sorry just break from net | 20:47 |
| nikhil_k | we'd ideally have a list of bugs/reviews to be done on priority | 20:48 |
| nikhil_k | like the tiny changes which jokke_ was talking about | 20:48 |
| zhiyan | kragniz: i don't think so, due to breaking gate will block Jenkins merge it. | 20:48 |
| nikhil_k | such things add more pressure on the gate too | 20:48 |
| nikhil_k | if more PS are uploaded and such | 20:48 |
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| zhiyan | nikhil_k: 2 more +2s for normal case, of course, I just like to speed up those doc change, or global-req syncup, something like that. | 20:48 |
| TravT | yes, but better to get the simple changes pushed through early rather than piling up at the end of cycle when the gate is really backed up | 20:49 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: yeah, simple doc changes are really good | 20:49 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: personally I'd like to see the bigger taking priority ... that 10 line change is way easier to rebase than the big one that has been sitting in the Q for a month | 20:49 |
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| nikhil_k | however, we'd careful about a doc change which could break things | 20:49 |
| nikhil_k | like docs becoming inconsistent | 20:49 |
| nikhil_k | and we need to rush through on the very last day of cycle | 20:50 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I think there is difference of doc change and spelling correction here | 20:50 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yes, priorities in general | 20:50 |
| nikhil_k | not only smaller ones | 20:50 |
| nikhil_k | a theme based approach | 20:50 |
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| nikhil_k | where we focus on a particular BP/bug for reivew | 20:50 |
| TravT | it was so incredibly frustrating to be at the end of the cycle having to babysit a doc change through the 2 - 4 day merge at gate. | 20:50 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I think zhiyan is talkin of just direct approving the spelling corrections, translations etc. which I do +1 | 20:51 |
| nikhil_k | get it done, merge it or -2 it .. move one | 20:51 |
| nikhil_k | on* | 20:51 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: sure | 20:51 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: yeah, that's the biggest worry here | 20:51 |
| nikhil_k | ok, just to point out we've 10 mins left | 20:51 |
| TravT | that's why i'm not opposed to pushing simple changes early in the cycle. | 20:51 |
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| TravT | even if lower priority. | 20:52 |
| nikhil_k | and we cruised into our painpoints discussion too | 20:52 |
| TravT | otherwise they'll get carried for multiple releases | 20:52 |
| jokke_ | TravT: Thanks for taking the time and effort doing that. I was really happy to see that Doc part of the metadef!! | 20:52 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: yeah, thanks thanks thanks! | 20:52 |
| nikhil_k | really appreciate that | 20:52 |
| TravT | no worries | 20:52 |
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| nikhil_k | and thanks to rosmaita as well who has taken care of such changes for us in the past quite often! | 20:52 |
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| TravT | lakshmiS also worked on docs | 20:53 |
| TravT | so he deserves extra credit | 20:53 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: what you had next? I think you need to have that priority discussion with the cores. | 20:53 |
| nikhil_k | woot to lakshmiS! | 20:53 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yes, I will try to do that once I'm authorized to | 20:54 |
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| nikhil_k | am still a proxy for Mark | 20:54 |
| nikhil_k | but for somethings, I'm taking an excuse :) | 20:54 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 20:54 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k: when's the transition ... I thought it was per release and we're officially on kilo now ;) | 20:54 |
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| zhiyan | nikhil_k: i have one | 20:55 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: believe, it's during or after the summit .. not 100% on that though | 20:55 |
| jokke_ | Logging! | 20:55 |
| zhiyan | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048597.html | 20:55 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: could be now really | 20:55 |
| hemanthm | I have one too | 20:55 |
| nikhil_k | FCFS | 20:55 |
| nikhil_k | zhiyan: go | 20:55 |
| nikhil_k | aight, how can we help on that zhiyan ? | 20:55 |
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| zhiyan | so folks, when/if you ok, please help review those changes asap, Doug proposed a worth point for projects | 20:56 |
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| ativelkov | do you have the list of patches somewhere? | 20:56 |
| jokke_ | Spam Doug to give deprecation period as it is expected from every other project ;) | 20:56 |
| zhiyan | especially on second #PS, it contains a change for 'upstream' policy.py | 20:56 |
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| ativelkov | ah, got it | 20:57 |
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| nikhil_k | yes, please do test the policy change? | 20:57 |
| zhiyan | i just proposed that change hours ago, so before comments/update for oslo team, we need to make sure that is what we need | 20:57 |
| zhiyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128881/ | 20:57 |
| zhiyan | for the upstream policy.py change | 20:58 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128881/ | 20:58 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 20:58 |
| zhiyan | thanks team | 20:58 |
| zhiyan | i'm done. hemanthm | 20:58 |
| nikhil_k | next? | 20:58 |
| hemanthm | guess its jokke_ | 20:58 |
| * kragniz has one, too | 20:58 | |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: go go go | 20:58 |
| jokke_ | Logging: two changed have been hanging on rebase loop now 3 months | 20:59 |
| nikhil_k | does anyone have links? | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | including change to i18n which is one of those Dougs painpoints | 20:59 |
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| jokke_ | Glance refactoring logging https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/refactoring-glance-logging | 20:59 |
| nikhil_k | let's approve that soon | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116626/ another rebase | 20:59 |
| jokke_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117204/ likewise | 20:59 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/refactoring-glance-logging | 21:00 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 21:00 |
| nikhil_k | we'r out of time! | 21:00 |
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| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| jokke_ | thanks nikhil_k | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 21:00:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-10-16-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-10-16-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
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| kragniz | thanks all | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-10-16-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 21:00 |
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