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| beekneemech | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Oct 17 16:00:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is beekneemech. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| beekneemech | dhellmann is travelling today, so you're all stuck with me. :-) | 16:00 |
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| beekneemech | Who's here for the meeting? | 16:00 |
| jecarey_ | o/ | 16:01 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
| viktors | o/ | 16:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 16:01 |
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| beekneemech | dimsum_: jd__ ping | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o | 16:02 |
| dimsum_ | oy | 16:02 |
| sileht | jd__ is travelling too | 16:02 |
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| beekneemech | sileht: Thanks | 16:02 |
| beekneemech | Okay, we'll get started then. | 16:02 |
| beekneemech | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| beekneemech | dhellmann ask bknudson and morganfainberg to provide more detail for config encryption plans | 16:03 |
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| morganfainberg | o/ | 16:03 |
| beekneemech | bknudson: morganfainberg: Did ^ happen? | 16:03 |
| morganfainberg | did what happen? | 16:03 |
| morganfainberg | config encryption? | 16:03 |
| morganfainberg | don't think it has yet | 16:03 |
| zzzeek_ | o/ | 16:03 |
| bknudson | hi... showing up late | 16:04 |
| morganfainberg | afaik there is legiitmate interest in it though | 16:04 |
| bknudson | I haven't had time to look at config encryption | 16:04 |
| beekneemech | Hmm, okay. | 16:04 |
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| beekneemech | We'll come back to that in the summit topics then. | 16:05 |
| bknudson | ok | 16:05 |
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| * dimsum_ notes vmware nova driver needs password encrypted in nova.conf as well | 16:05 | |
| beekneemech | That's all we had for action items from last week, so we'll move on to the summit topic discussion since that went long last week. | 16:05 |
| bknudson | why? | 16:05 |
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| bknudson | (why would vmware need it but other passwords are ok?) | 16:06 |
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| dimsum_ | bknudson: one more use case. everyone needs it :) | 16:06 |
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| beekneemech | #topic summit planning | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit planning (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:07 | |
| beekneemech | Okay, we'll start with that one then. | 16:07 |
| beekneemech | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-oslo-summit-topics | 16:07 |
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| beekneemech | bknudson: morganfainberg: Okay, so I think the main question from last time was whether we need a summit topic for config encryption or if that can be handled with a spec. | 16:08 |
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| bknudson | it would be nice to gather up requirements to make sure we're designing the right thing | 16:08 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ | 16:09 |
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| bknudson | I kind of know what I think we should do but maybe that's not others vision | 16:09 |
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| beekneemech | Well, that's also the purpose of spec reviews. :-) | 16:09 |
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| bknudson | if we can get that in a spec review then no session is needed. | 16:10 |
| zzzeek | so im not going to be at the summit but all feel free to admire and +2 my wonderful oslo.db specs | 16:10 |
| zzzeek | i am hoping to get one more up in the next few days | 16:10 |
| * beekneemech did | 16:10 | |
| rpodolyaka1 | ^ +1 those :) | 16:10 |
| rpodolyaka1 | 'ed | 16:11 |
| zzzeek | OK | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | i admired them, ha | 16:11 |
| beekneemech | Alright, moving away from namespace packages | 16:11 |
| beekneemech | Spec is up. | 16:11 |
| beekneemech | Does anyone feel like we need f2f discussion on that? | 16:12 |
| beekneemech | lifeless: had proposed an alternative, I know | 16:12 |
| zzzeek | i wish we could use ns packages but not if it breaks everything :( | 16:12 |
| beekneemech | Although I also realize it's super early Saturday morning there. :-/ | 16:12 |
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| morganfainberg | i want namespace packages to not suck . but I'd say the right answer is move away from them :( | 16:13 |
| beekneemech | I think the problem with this is that every time we think we're in the clear we find another land mine to step on. | 16:13 |
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| beekneemech | Maybe this could just be something for the pod discussions? | 16:14 |
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| beekneemech | Or hallway track. | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | +1 i'd like to learn more about what went wrong with them | 16:14 |
| zzzeek | i think the decision is made we just have to do it | 16:14 |
| beekneemech | In any case, everyone please go read the spec and if there's a lot of contention over it we could discuss it more. | 16:15 |
| morganfainberg | beekneemech, link for the spec? [for the summary of the meeting] | 16:15 |
| beekneemech | morganfainberg: Ah, right. | 16:15 |
| beekneemech | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128759/ | 16:15 |
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| morganfainberg | beekneemech, ++ | 16:15 |
| beekneemech | morganfainberg: Thanks for the reminder | 16:16 |
| morganfainberg | of course | 16:16 |
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| beekneemech | Nova objects spec is up, so we're not planning a session on that. | 16:16 |
| * beekneemech looks for the link | 16:17 | |
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| beekneemech | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127532/ | 16:17 |
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| beekneemech | taskflow then | 16:17 |
| beekneemech | harlowja_at_home: An update? | 16:17 |
| beekneemech | *Any | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | nothing from me, a small session could be useful i guess | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | but i'm not sure if doug wanted one or not for that :-/ | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | i see 'SESSION NEEDED' ha | 16:19 |
| beekneemech | harlowja_at_home: I think he wanted a more specific topic than "all about taskflow" :-) | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | *oh session needed is under oslo.messaging (nm) | 16:20 |
| beekneemech | harlowja_at_home: So is there discussion needed about the db and messaging topic I see linked there? | 16:20 |
| beekneemech | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/taskflow-oslo-db-messaging | 16:20 |
| beekneemech | If there are issues blocking that adoption then I could see that being a good topic. | 16:20 |
| beekneemech | Lots of oslo there. :-) | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | well the whole issue of 'oslo.messaging' :-P | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | oslo.db not really an issue (just need py3.x compat) | 16:21 |
| beekneemech | harlowja_at_home: Will the oslo.messaging part be covered in the messaging session? | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | well i think the outcome can influence taskflows usage of it (but that outcome seems unknown currently) | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so hard to cover outcomes which are unknown at this current time :) | 16:22 |
| beekneemech | harlowja_at_home: Right, but you have a specific outcome you need for taskflow to adopt it, right? | 16:23 |
| beekneemech | So that's input we need in the oslo.messaging session. | 16:23 |
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| beekneemech | If we knew the outcome of these things we wouldn't need a session. :-) | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-p | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok, i can add some inputs that might help | 16:24 |
| beekneemech | I wonder if oslo.messaging needs to be a multi-session discussion... | 16:24 |
| beekneemech | Seems like there's a lot to discuss there. | 16:24 |
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| kgiusti | +1 - I'd like to discuss testing across different rpc backends, too | 16:25 |
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| kgiusti | that's mentioned below, in functional testing | 16:25 |
| beekneemech | harlowja_at_home: So are you okay with covering taskflow's use of oslo.messaging in that session then? | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | sureee | 16:25 |
| beekneemech | harlowja_at_home: Cool | 16:25 |
| beekneemech | kgiusti: Yep, so that's the functional testing topic, right? | 16:25 |
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| kgiusti | yeah, so that's already broken out, yay! | 16:26 |
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| beekneemech | kgiusti: I had a question in the etherpad: "Do we need a session for this or just people to sign up to work on it?" | 16:26 |
| beekneemech | I don't know exactly what is needed to make progress on this. | 16:27 |
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| kgiusti | Actually, neither do I - Doug added the topic, I just wanted to help out | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | imho i always come back to the question of what is olso.messaging providing over kombu nowadays | 16:27 |
| * kgiusti thinks it was doug | 16:27 | |
| beekneemech | Yeah, looks like it. | 16:28 |
| * beekneemech thinks we're going to end up with multiple oslo.messaging sessions | 16:28 | |
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| kgiusti | and it's technically not just messaging. | 16:28 |
| kgiusti | functional testing, that is. | 16:28 |
| beekneemech | Right | 16:28 |
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| beekneemech | Okay, I'm going to mark that one as needs more detail. We'll have to follow up with Doug on Monday. | 16:29 |
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| beekneemech | We had talked about maybe meeting on Monday again at the new meeting time to finalize these plans since he's not here today. | 16:30 |
| beekneemech | Will that work for everyone? | 16:31 |
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| bknudson | what's the new meeting time? | 16:31 |
| beekneemech | Let me find it... | 16:31 |
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| beekneemech | #link http://doodle.com/zv8izg7ymxcank34 | 16:32 |
| beekneemech | Based on ^ we were going to move it to Monday at 10:00 my time. | 16:32 |
| * beekneemech converts to UTC... | 16:32 | |
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| beekneemech | Looks like 1600 UTC. | 16:33 |
| kgiusti | works for me | 16:33 |
| morganfainberg | what does that change? | 16:34 |
| morganfainberg | erm when* | 16:34 |
| beekneemech | morganfainberg: Not til after Summit. | 16:34 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 16:34 |
| morganfainberg | sounds good | 16:34 |
| beekneemech | And we were planning to skip the Monday immediately after since presumably there won't be anything more to discuss. | 16:34 |
| beekneemech | I'm sure we'll send out a reminder on the list. | 16:35 |
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| beekneemech | #action Everyone plan to meet again on Monday at 1600 UTC to finalize these plans with dhellmann | 16:36 |
| beekneemech | Next topic then... | 16:36 |
| bknudson | it'll be a different time for you on monday | 16:36 |
| beekneemech | bknudson: Oh crud, is it DST this weekend? | 16:36 |
| bknudson | I think it's time to fall back. | 16:36 |
| jecarey_ | I thought it was Nov 2 this year. | 16:37 |
| beekneemech | Yeah, that's what Google is telling me | 16:37 |
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| bknudson | ok, so it's right before the meeting | 16:37 |
| bknudson | summit | 16:37 |
| beekneemech | So while we're all at summit. That actually might be good. :-) | 16:38 |
| beekneemech | So, What to do with the local module | 16:38 |
| beekneemech | Unfortunately both of the people currently listed on this topic are travelling. | 16:39 |
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| beekneemech | My thought is to cover this in the graduation session, but I'm only vaguely familiar with the topic. | 16:39 |
| beekneemech | dimsum_: Were you more involved in the local module discussion? | 16:40 |
| dimsum_ | beekneemech: off and on | 16:40 |
| beekneemech | dimsum_: Do you think we need a separate session or will it fit in with the graduation discussion? | 16:40 |
| beekneemech | I expect it will at least come up there. | 16:41 |
| dimsum_ | don't need a separate session | 16:41 |
| beekneemech | dimsum_: Great, thanks | 16:41 |
| beekneemech | Moving ahead to Python 3 then. | 16:42 |
| beekneemech | Seems to have a lot of interest. | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | def +2 | 16:43 |
| beekneemech | I know harlowja_at_home mentioned py3 support is a blocker for taskflow adopting oslo.db. | 16:43 |
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| beekneemech | Heh | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | the crappy part is that libraries which are py3.x compat can't depend on ones that aren't :-/ | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | especially if they plan to replace a major component | 16:43 |
| beekneemech | Right, it's tricky. | 16:43 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so thats my interest, i'd like to use more oslo stuff, but in a rock-and-hard-place if its not py3.x | 16:44 |
| beekneemech | So let's plan on having a session to hash out what needs to be done and in what order. | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:44 |
| beekneemech | So far we've been kind of scattershot porting to Python 3, but it would be good to have a specific plan. | 16:44 |
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| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 16:45 |
| beekneemech | Quota library | 16:45 |
| * beekneemech probably should have topic'd all of these for easier reference | 16:45 | |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm interested in that one | 16:46 |
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| beekneemech | Yeah, I see salv-orlando is too. | 16:46 |
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| harlowja_at_home | a quota library can be a way to start fixing all the quota in the projects | 16:46 |
| beekneemech | To me the main question is where the development should live, not so much whether we should do it. | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | if we can unify projects interfaces to this library, that library could then talk to a central service (or other) in the future... | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok | 16:47 |
| salv-orlando | beekneemech: right. I just think not in a new project. | 16:47 |
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| beekneemech | salv-orlando: Yeah, I think it either needs to live in a project like Neutron or the incubator for easy consumption. | 16:47 |
| salv-orlando | Could be directly oslo-incubator, the only caveat would be that validating into projects would be a two-step process | 16:47 |
| salv-orlando | beekneemech: I was thinking of doing it for neutron in kilo, validating it there, and then contributing it back to oslo-incubator | 16:48 |
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| salv-orlando | but if other projects want to consume it in kilo we might do it directly in the incubator | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | why not immediatly create a new project, oslo_quota or something? | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | *new subosloproject | 16:48 |
| salv-orlando | harlowja_at_home: there is actually already a quota module in oslo-incubator. Seems however nobody is using it. | 16:49 |
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| beekneemech | Which is funny, I could have sworn Nova was using that at one point. | 16:49 |
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| salv-orlando | beekneemech: maybe. I did not dig the history of that module. | 16:50 |
| salv-orlando | but we can start from there maybe... | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | salv-orlando, sure, i'm just wondering if a fast-moving library can/could be more suitable than oslo-incubator (which then later will have to be made into a library anyway) | 16:50 |
| beekneemech | Okay, so this is probably a discussion we need to have at Summit, hopefully with more stakeholders from other projects present. | 16:50 |
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| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 16:50 |
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| salv-orlando | harlowja_at_home, beekneemech: summit or even the mailing list. No reason to use precious session time maybe. | 16:51 |
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| beekneemech | salv-orlando: We'll keep it on the list of possibilities for now. | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | salv-orlando, i'd really like to have summit, there have been a trail of dead projects that have tried to fix this quota stuff, and i don't want this to turn into another dead one... | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | thats my 2 cents at least | 16:52 |
| beekneemech | Although a mailing list thread before Summit to get the discussion going wouldn't hurt either way. | 16:52 |
| salv-orlando | harlowja_at_home: I know. However usually when salv-orlando files a spec, then it gets done ;) | 16:52 |
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| salv-orlando | not necessarily by salv-orlando, but it gets done | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | salv-orlando, haha, ya, this spec just crosses many projects, those specs are 'really' hard | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | not hard from code point of view (imho), hard from coordiantion/political point of view | 16:53 |
| salv-orlando | harlowja_at_home: ah there’s also the other thing that blazar devs will be keen to suggest you’ve got to use that | 16:54 |
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| harlowja_at_home | that expected to | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ thats why this is hard ;) | 16:54 |
| beekneemech | Okay, 5 minute warning. | 16:54 |
| beekneemech | salv-orlando: Can you start a ML thread about this? | 16:54 |
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| salv-orlando | beekneemech: there is already a thread active… I’d post a link but I can’t find the browser window on my screen ;) | 16:56 |
| beekneemech | salv-orlando: Heh, okay. :-) | 16:57 |
| beekneemech | salv-orlando: When you find it, can you drop a link in the etherpad? | 16:57 |
| salv-orlando | beekneemech: https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg36883.html | 16:58 |
| beekneemech | slagle: Awesome, thanks | 16:59 |
| beekneemech | salv-orlando: ^ | 16:59 |
| beekneemech | Sorry slagle. Habit. :-) | 16:59 |
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| beekneemech | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg36883.html | 16:59 |
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| beekneemech | #action Anyone interested in the quote topic please look at the mailing list thread linked above. | 17:00 |
| beekneemech | #undo | 17:00 |
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| beekneemech | #action Anyone interested in the quota topic please look at the mailing list thread linked above. | 17:00 |
| beekneemech | Better | 17:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | someone needs to add a __str__ to that action object, lol | 17:00 |
| beekneemech | Okay, time's up, but I think Doug wanted an alpha versioning session. Does anyone have a strong objection to that? | 17:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | nope | 17:01 |
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| beekneemech | Okay, we'll plan on that then. | 17:01 |
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| beekneemech | And also to meet again on Monday at 1600 UTC to finalize these plans. I'm not sure we've ended up with the right number of sessions yet. :-) | 17:01 |
| beekneemech | Thanks everyone! | 17:02 |
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| zzzeek | woop | 17:02 |
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| beekneemech | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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