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| sgordon_ | #startmeeting nfv | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 22 14:01:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nfv' | 14:01 |
| sgordon_ | #topic roll call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:01 | |
| sgordon_ | hey all | 14:01 |
| imendel | hey | 14:01 |
| sgordon_ | who is around for the nfv meeting? | 14:01 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:01 |
| yamahata | hello | 14:01 |
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| sgordon_ | ok | 14:02 |
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| sgordon_ | #topic review actions from last week | 14:02 |
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| sgordon_ | #info imendel was to touch base with Michael (ETSI liaison) and clarify resource catalog requirement | 14:03 |
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| sgordon_ | imendel, any luck with this :) | 14:03 |
| imendel | yes | 14:03 |
| imendel | There are two. | 14:03 |
| imendel | the first one is more or less inline with Blazar project | 14:03 |
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| * sgordon_ noticed bauzas' ears burning | 14:04 | |
| imendel | the request is to have an option to reserve (in time manner) specific resources per the apps needs | 14:04 |
| sgordon_ | is there any sense of priorities for which types of resources are more important? | 14:04 |
| imendel | the second one is not aligned (IMHO) with OS | 14:05 |
| imendel | sgordon:yes | 14:05 |
| imendel | If I correctly get it it's about compute, net and storage | 14:05 |
| uli_ | Hi, it is also discussed in OPNFV | 14:06 |
| imendel | yes, same source of request as far as i know | 14:06 |
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| uli_ | yes. | 14:06 |
| sgordon_ | #info Reservation requirement for compute, network and storage resources | 14:07 |
| imendel | the second one is trying to create a "common" "catalogue" of services | 14:07 |
| imendel | the idea is to have one end point that you can query for "all" resources | 14:07 |
| sgordon_ | #info Reservation is required for cloud applications to reserve in a time specific fashion the resources the application needs or will needs | 14:07 |
| sgordon_ | #info Common catalogue of services to query for all services also desired | 14:08 |
| cloudon | Is there any implication the aggregate of current catalogs are missing some info, or is it all about a single query point? | 14:08 |
| sgordon_ | how does this map to something like resource tagging? | 14:08 |
| imendel | so instead of querying (for example) Nova and cinder you will query one | 14:08 |
| sgordon_ | e.g. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Graffiti | 14:08 |
| sgordon_ | #info May map to Graffiti? | 14:09 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Graffiti | 14:09 |
| imendel | cloudon: I think it's about the single | 14:09 |
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| * mestery walks in late | 14:09 | |
| sgordon_ | hi mestery | 14:09 |
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| sgordon_ | will raise the vlan trunking topic shortly :) | 14:10 |
| mestery | sgordon_: Ack! | 14:10 |
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| sgordon_ | imendel, ok thanks for following up on that | 14:10 |
| * mestery reads backscroll | 14:10 | |
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| sgordon_ | further discussion required but it's interesting to see uses emerging for those projects | 14:10 |
| sgordon_ | #info sgordon was to email list regarding NFV BoF and preferred dates/times during summit | 14:10 |
| sgordon_ | so | 14:10 |
| sgordon_ | i did email a doodle to the list to try and work out a best time | 14:11 |
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| sgordon_ | before events start/lunch/after events finish each day | 14:11 |
| sgordon_ | as it turns out venue availability before/after is likely to be a problem | 14:11 |
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| sgordon_ | though based on the community -list discussion there may be some space available during the day wednesday | 14:11 |
| sgordon_ | i had also noticed there is a "win the telco bof" on the telco strategies track | 14:12 |
| sgordon_ | it's not entirely clear how this and the audience maps to this group and whether they are one and the same | 14:12 |
| sgordon_ | i've reached out to carol who proposed the session to try and clarify | 14:12 |
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| mestery | The "win the telco bof" looked more like PMs and marketers than developers sgordon_ . :) | 14:12 |
| sgordon_ | yes | 14:12 |
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| sgordon_ | it *mentions* developers | 14:13 |
| sgordon_ | but it seemed like it might be lip service | 14:13 |
| mestery | Though we should get their inputs for sure. | 14:13 |
| mestery | Ack :) | 14:13 |
| sgordon_ | right, i plan to attend regardless | 14:13 |
| sgordon_ | just the fact that it is a 40 min session | 14:13 |
| sgordon_ | means we might spend 40 mins level setting | 14:13 |
| sgordon_ | versus talking about kilo focus | 14:13 |
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| sgordon_ | #action sgordon to report back with regards to BoF planning next week | 14:13 |
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| mestery | sgordon_: Agree, doubtful much work gets discussed there | 14:14 |
| sgordon_ | the other option i have worst case is a few sponsors have meeting rooms available at the venue they have volunteered | 14:14 |
| sgordon_ | or we can use a development pod again | 14:14 |
| sgordon_ | dependent on availability | 14:14 |
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| sgordon_ | #action sgordon still needs to follow up with luke regarding snabbswitch reqs. | 14:15 |
| sgordon_ | #info marun was going to revisit requirements from servicevm etherpad and attempt to extract relevant use cases | 14:15 |
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| marun | sgordon_: I'm afraid I haven't gotten to it yet. | 14:15 |
| sgordon_ | marun, did you have any time to take a look at the above | 14:15 |
| sgordon_ | np neither did i :) | 14:15 |
| sgordon_ | #action marun to revisit requirements from servicevm etherpad and attempt to extract relevant use cases | 14:16 |
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| sgordon_ | will just keep it in the list | 14:16 |
| sgordon_ | ok! | 14:16 |
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| sgordon_ | #topic vlan trunking | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "vlan trunking (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:16 | |
| sgordon_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048957.html | 14:16 |
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| sgordon_ | so for those that missed it mestery sent the above email to the list | 14:16 |
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| sgordon_ | reminding us that there are multiple proposals related to vlan trunking in the mix | 14:16 |
| mestery | Yes, we need to converge | 14:17 |
| sgordon_ | and that we need to nail down exactly what the path forward is | 14:17 |
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| mestery | I'd like to see us land this in Kilo-1 if possible | 14:17 |
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| marun | I also -2'd the proposals to give the authors a heads-up that they need to converge on a single proposal. | 14:17 |
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| sgordon_ | ijw, cloudon i know you both had either proposals or use cases written up in this space | 14:17 |
| mestery | marun: Thanks for helping with that. | 14:17 |
| sgordon_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/047548.html | 14:17 |
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| sgordon_ | use case cloudon wrote up is the above | 14:17 |
| sgordon_ | nevermind, no ijw in here | 14:18 |
| sgordon_ | so the action here is for us to ensure we're at the neutron meeting on monday | 14:18 |
| sgordon_ | as well as the relevant design session if there is one | 14:18 |
| mestery | sgordon_: Yes, lets attend and discuss Monday. | 14:18 |
| marun | or even just meet outside of those times... | 14:18 |
| mestery | Thanks for noting this to NFV folks here. | 14:18 |
| sgordon_ | #action ijw, cloudon, sgordon and other interested parties to attend neutron meeting monday | 14:18 |
| marun | a discussion needs to happen, it doesn't necessarily have to be formal. | 14:18 |
| sgordon_ | mestery, i will bump the mail thread cc'ing them too | 14:19 |
| sgordon_ | marun, ack | 14:19 |
| mestery | sgordon_: Thanks! | 14:19 |
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| sgordon_ | we can decide on monday whether we still think a session is actually warranted | 14:19 |
| sgordon_ | i feel like we all want the same thing just have been talking past each other | 14:19 |
| sgordon_ | #action sgordon to bump ML/ thread CC'ing owners of previous proposals or use cases | 14:19 |
| cloudon | Will be on a plane but will try to send replacement | 14:20 |
| sgordon_ | cloudon, ack - thanks for that | 14:20 |
| sgordon_ | #info cloudon will be traveling but will send someone | 14:20 |
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| sgordon_ | ok so the last item i had at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda was bof planning, which we pretty much already covered | 14:21 |
| sgordon_ | #topic open discussion | 14:21 |
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| sgordon_ | anything else people would like to raise? | 14:21 |
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| sgordon_ | note that most projects are finalizing design summit schedule pretty much now | 14:21 |
| sgordon_ | so should be a clear picture of what formal sessions there are by this time next week | 14:22 |
| sgordon_ | and of course as marun mentioned there is always the hallway track | 14:22 |
| sgordon_ | :) | 14:22 |
| marun | the time on friday should be good | 14:22 |
| sgordon_ | yeah | 14:22 |
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| sgordon_ | #info design summit schedules finalizing this week | 14:22 |
| marun | I'm pushing for a lightning talk session in the neutron track to give folks a chance to publicize friday meetups. | 14:23 |
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| marun | We haven't finalized the schedule yet, so it may not happen. | 14:23 |
| sgordon_ | right | 14:23 |
| sgordon_ | so the idea is that friday is fluid right? | 14:23 |
| sgordon_ | and we decide during the week what needs airtime | 14:23 |
| marun | yes | 14:23 |
| sgordon_ | cool | 14:23 |
| marun | we should have the schedule by the end of the week, so we could strategize in next week's meeting or at summit | 14:24 |
| sgordon_ | #info neutron schedule for friday will be fluid, decided during the week based on what still needs airtime | 14:24 |
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| sgordon_ | yes, im hoping to nail down if we have a time/place for a bof for next week as well | 14:24 |
| sgordon_ | ok | 14:24 |
| sgordon_ | anyone else? | 14:25 |
| sgordon_ | i am taking that as no | 14:25 |
| sgordon_ | thanks all for your time :) | 14:25 |
| sgordon_ | #endmeeting | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:25 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 22 14:25:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-10-22-14.01.html | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-10-22-14.01.txt | 14:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-10-22-14.01.log.html | 14:25 |
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| mestery | thanks sgordon_! | 14:26 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2'ers | 16:00 |
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| romilg | Hi All | 16:01 |
| manishg | hi | 16:01 |
| absubram__ | hello | 16:01 |
| shivharis | hi all | 16:01 |
| rcurran | hi | 16:01 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 16:02 |
| amotoki | i have one more meeting here... | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 22 16:02:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_October_22.2C_2014 | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura and banix are off today for personal reasons | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | Juno Release is out - in case you did not know | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | #link - https://launchpad.net/neutron/juno/2014.2 | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has any announcement? | 16:05 |
| shivharis | in celebration of this release lets have a short meeting :-) | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: sure - I am all for it... | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | There are couple of things I have in mind to cover - | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | First - discussion about TaskFlow | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | and second - Kilo summit session for ML2 | 16:07 |
| shivharis | i missed the meeting at yahoo :( | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | but, before we get into those topics, lets get the usual stuff out of the way | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: do you want to cover anything here? | 16:09 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:09 |
| shivharis | We have a lot of bugs that need assignment, folks please feel free to pick them up | 16:09 |
| romilg | sure | 16:09 |
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| shivharis | All have target of kilo-1 | 16:09 |
| manishg | ok. will do. | 16:09 |
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| shivharis | We have 4 high bugs - 3 have good progress and 1 i am not sure - so i will ping | 16:10 |
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| amotoki | if you find bugs which affect juno please add tag juno-backport-potential. | 16:10 |
| shivharis | romilg, manishg: thanks | 16:10 |
| romilg | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1179223 | 16:10 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1179223 in neutron "Retired GRE and VXLAN tunnels persists in neutron db" [High,In progress] | 16:10 |
| shivharis | amotoki: good point | 16:10 |
| romilg | I posted the patch set the same need more reviewers | 16:11 |
| absubram__ | hi.. I have a low priority bug in review.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105514/ it has two +2s.. but one -1 from Yamamoto Takashi which is holding it up.. | 16:11 |
| manishg | shivharis: I see bugs for midonet plugin there too. these bugs I assume generally get (and should be) picked up by vendors, right? | 16:11 |
| shivharis | romilg: folks please jump on the bug that romilg has pointed - it is one of the high pri bugs | 16:11 |
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| shivharis | manishg: yes and no | 16:12 |
| shivharis | manishg: once the plugin/driver comes into the common base | 16:12 |
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| shivharis | if belongs to the community, and the community own supporting it | 16:12 |
| amotoki | here is ML2 meeting :-) and vendor specific bugs should be dealt by plugin maintainers. | 16:13 |
| shivharis | usually/mostly it is taken care of by the vendor, due to hardware etc. | 16:13 |
| manishg | shivharis: but it only impacts those using midonet plugin, right? | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | absubram__: that needs workflow checked and it should merge | 16:13 |
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| absubram__ | Sukhdev: his -1 comments have already been debated and addressed in previous versions.. anyway to get in contact with him about his blocking this merge? | 16:13 |
| shivharis | we also have a list of plugin and their primary maintainers and we expect active support from them | 16:14 |
| manishg | shivharis: and that's why the question. I'll leave them alone for now. there seems to be other bugs out there that need owners. | 16:14 |
| shivharis | manishg: fair statement | 16:14 |
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| absubram__ | Sukhdev: anything else I need to do in order for the workflow check to happen? | 16:14 |
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| amotoki | re: absubram__ review, I will check if we can override -1 from yamamoto and it is worth +A. | 16:14 |
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| absubram__ | amotoki: thank you very much! | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | absubram__ Have Sumit or Edger check the workflow and it should merge | 16:15 |
| shivharis | have you contacted yamamoto? | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | absubram__: you do not need to worry about -1, after you have two +2 | 16:15 |
| absubram__ | shivharis: yes I sent him an email | 16:15 |
| amotoki | i don't think we need to reach him. just review! | 16:15 |
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| shivharis | amotoki: can you override the -1 | 16:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | absubram__: we can +A if we dont get a response within the next day | 16:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | absubram__: just ping me | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: thanks | 16:16 |
| absubram__ | Sukhdev: Summit had mentioned in his comment he'd +A pending on removal of the -1.. I'll contact both again to see what to do | 16:16 |
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| shivharis | absubram_: thanks, anything else on this? | 16:16 |
| absubram__ | SumitNaiksatam: Thank you.. that sounds reasonable to me | 16:17 |
| absubram__ | thanks all | 16:17 |
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| shivharis | we are doing "quite average" in terms of the bug count | 16:17 |
| shivharis | I will start assigning (if unassigned) bugs after the summit | 16:17 |
| shivharis | thats all from me for now | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | OK lets move on to next topic | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: TaskFlow Update | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg arranged a meeting at Yahoo last week to discuss about TaskFlow | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | The goal was to see how can we use it for ML2 Sync as well as error recovery | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | #link: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/taskflow/index.html | 16:20 |
| shivharis | what was the takeaway? | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | So, we looked at various possibilities | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | Considered using it at Neutron API level, ML2 Plugin level, or at individual driver level | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | the best part was that the author of TaskFlow was present in the room to answer questions | 16:22 |
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| Sukhdev | Currently Cinder project is planning on using it with zookeeper and jobboard | 16:23 |
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| manishg | shivharis: the meeting was more from the ml2-sync-blueprint point of view originally and how taskflow | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | we felt for ML2 level, it will be too heavy and hence decided to come up with simpler light version | 16:23 |
| manishg | could potential be used. so folks working on on that blueprint were involved. | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | manishg has volunteered to work on a lighter version | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | for our ML2 use | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | At this point we are interested in two things: | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | 1) to get a better feeling about it - hence put together a POC | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | 2) to come up with an architecture/design to deploy it | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | manishg is planning on working on 1) | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: please jump in and fill in what ever I missed | 16:25 |
| manishg | all: if you are interested in discussions related to ml2-sync and/or taskflow usage etc. let us know and we can be in touch via mails, etc. for updates. | 16:26 |
| amotoki | is there any target driver for POC? | 16:26 |
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| shivharis | manishg: have the decisions been made or are we still at discussion stage? | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: not really, we figured we use a mocked one at this point | 16:27 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: for now I think the plan is like what you mentioned. To experiment with the idea of taskflow and understand the scope, and do some POC to see how applicable it would be. | 16:27 |
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| manishg | amotoki: we'll use mock. and then it should be applicable to all if that works out well. | 16:27 |
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| manishg | there were a few ideas considered. we'll start with the simple ideas and hope to gather some experience by summit time. so we can have more useful discussion there. | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: nothing is decided - only POC - and all in discussion stage | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | All - if interested, please speak up - we can use more brain power | 16:28 |
| manishg | shivharis: no decisions. but it would be good to be familiar with it before Paris summit so we can all dig in deeper together. | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | we figured we get some understanding and then use PODs at Paris summit to do more discussions | 16:30 |
| shivharis | manishg: I am still trying to sync up to where you guys are already .. summit we be a good place to further the conversation | 16:30 |
| amotoki | it is the next topic :-) | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: you mean summit discussion - yes | 16:30 |
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| manishg | shivharis: cool. I can ping you (and other who are interested) offline abut the details. | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: want to add anything before we move on? | 16:31 |
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| manishg | Sukhdev: I think I'll have more update once I get something going. Hope to write some intro doc too | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: cool - thanks | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | OK - so lets move on | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | All - feel free to join us at the PODs in Paris summit | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Kilo Design Summit | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | As you know number of sessions at summit are reduced this time | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics-distilled | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | See the etherpad with proposed sessions | 16:34 |
| amotoki | 7 slots + Friday whole day pod | 16:34 |
| amotoki | woops 4+7 slots + ... | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | If you look at it, we have a part of one session | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: I thought something was wrong ;-) | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l2 | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | ML2 topics are covered in sub-pad | 16:36 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: sorry if it was wrong.... | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: np | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | So, I wanted to cover the ML2 part here | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | We have been covering this for past few sessions | 16:37 |
| amotoki | i think ML2 topic is not so general and I believe POD session fits us. we need more detail discussions I blieve. | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: correct | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | Does anybody believe we are missing anything? | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | One of the thoughts is that we use PODs for detailed discussions | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | and use part of the main session to announce/give overall run down (and intro) of the topics to be covered in PODs | 16:40 |
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| amotoki | in the past summits ML2 session was very busy and just presented the essense... | 16:40 |
| amotoki | i feel it was small input. | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: correct, we had to squeeze too much into a session and not much time for Q&A | 16:41 |
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| Sukhdev | or discussion | 16:41 |
| amotoki | I believe we can announce rough pod scheduel in the main session. | 16:42 |
| amotoki | so we can announce all of them. | 16:42 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: yes, I think that will be a good idea | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | Focusing back on the etherpad, is every item clear? | 16:44 |
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| Sukhdev | Do we need to list them in any specific order - or priority? | 16:45 |
| shivharis | we can do that at the pod | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: sure - or this will be good forum as well - perhaps everybody may not make it to summit | 16:46 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: +1 | 16:47 |
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| Sukhdev | Also, feel free to update etherpad | 16:47 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: Re bulk-ops item. that is for the agent, right? | 16:47 |
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| manishg | "Complete the bulk ops support" | 16:48 |
| amotoki | I am not sure who can lead the topics. is it clear? | 16:48 |
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| amotoki | manishg: feel free to add it | 16:48 |
| manishg | amotoki: +1 - I think it might be good idea to put some links or owner/moderator there per item. | 16:48 |
| amotoki | i think it is not specific to agnet support | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | We need volunteers to work on these items | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: Neuron API supports bulk ops | 16:49 |
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| manishg | Sukhdev: need clarification on what this is about. | 16:49 |
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| amotoki | topics in the latter half (except agent refactor) seems BP topic. | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | we at ML2 level have issue with it | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | banix is leading that effort - he is missing for personal reason | 16:50 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: yep, aware of neutron part. ah, ok. got it. | 16:50 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: so ML2 gets status (and port details) one at a time via the rpc from neutron? | 16:51 |
| manishg | I mean the agent. | 16:51 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg I think it is the other way around | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | a bulk operation is issued by the API, ML2 executes one at a time | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | how do we deal with it if we fail in the middle - some driver failures | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | it is all done in a transaction - | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | how to roll back, etc... | 16:53 |
| manishg | ah, just looked at the code. yeah, don't see bulk operation methods in ml2 plugin. thanks. | 16:53 |
| shivharis | manishg: prior IRCs have loads of info on this (lots of discussions and subtle points) | 16:53 |
| manishg | shivharis: thanks much. will take a look. | 16:54 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: so banix would be the contact point for this ? | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: when looking at taskflow, keep it in mind - we may be able to solve it in a much cleaner way | 16:54 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: right. will do. | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: correct….but, he will be unavailable for a while - he will most likely miss the summit as well | 16:55 |
| amotoki | async ops vs bulk ops... difficult topic and they are not orthogonal. | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: he may respond to the emails - he was in touch with me via email | 16:55 |
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| manishg | Sukhdev: ok thanks. is anyone else working with banix who may be aware of current state of the affairs? | 16:56 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: will send emails. thanks. | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: shivharis is good source as well | 16:56 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: ok great. will bug him too ;-) | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: are we doing anything about async at Neutron API level? | 16:57 |
| * Sukhdev just realized we are almost out of time | 16:58 | |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: I am not sure at now task topic will be covered in REST API sessions | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | Any body want to bring up anything here? | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | amotoki: we considered async ops as a part of taskflow discussion as well - and, it seems we could easily support it | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: but, requires lots more investigation | 17:00 |
| shivharis | we are meeting next week? will that be the the last meeting prior to the summit | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | Well, Folks thanks for attending - please update the etherpad with your input | 17:01 |
| manishg | thanks! | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: correct | 17:01 |
| ChuckC | o/ | 17:01 |
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| romilg | thanks | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks folks - we are out of time | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:01 |
| shivharis | thanks all, thanks Sukhdev for chairing | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 22 17:01:46 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-22-16.02.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-22-16.02.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-22-16.02.log.html | 17:01 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 22 18:01:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
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| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:02 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:02 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:02 |
| iccha1 | o/ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:02 |
| cp16net | teamo/ | 18:02 |
| cp16net | o/ | 18:02 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:02 |
| schang | o/ | 18:02 |
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| grapex_ | o/ | 18:02 |
| amcrn | o/ | 18:02 |
| atomic77 | o/ | 18:02 |
| AJaeger_ | o/ | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #Topic Trove design summit sessions | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-trove-summit-topics | 18:03 |
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| kevinconway | o/ | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | So we need to finalize on the list of sessions for the design summit by end of this week. | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | It looks like we'll have 4 session slots, and a half day of meetup time | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | I've taken a first stab at proposing some sessions at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-trove-summit-topics | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | If there's something that you'd really like to see in a session, definitely propose it! :) | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | Also if there are sessions that you're interested in, either participating or leading, please go ahead and put your name in the appropriate list. | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | Looks like most of you have already started doing this — awesome. :) | 18:07 |
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| iccha1 | thanks SlickNik | 18:07 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:08 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | We have some time until Friday to do this — after that, I'll have to collect the results so that they can be published to the design summit schedule in time. | 18:09 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, are there any priorities for Kilo? | 18:10 |
| denis_makogon | and how topics would be picked from given list? | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | My top priorities for kilo are | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | 1. Continuing the replication, and clustering work that we've started on in Juno, and | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | 2. Focusing on testing and quality. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | Apart from that, I'll be looking at interest levels, and what most folks are keen to discuss, and talk about. | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, I'll let folks update that etherpad out of band. | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | I'll send out a reminder email again tomorrow, and will look at collecting the results by the end of this week. | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | Let's move on to the next topic, in the interest of time. | 18:16 |
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| SlickNik | (Please let me know if you have any questions!) | 18:17 |
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| SlickNik | #Topic Bug Importance | 18:17 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bugs#Importance | 18:18 |
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| amcrn | just a quick comment on this: if folks wouldn't mind taking a look at their bugs, looking at the importance chart, and making changes where necessary, that'd be great. | 18:18 |
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| amcrn | at the moment it's a bit difficult to find actual bugs in behavior vs. minor enhancements, etc. | 18:19 |
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| denis_makogon | i have concrete proposal, i'd to make trove-bugs group closed on launchpad and allow only cores and PTL to review bugs (once per week if it's possible) | 18:20 |
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| denis_makogon | i'd suggest =) | 18:20 |
| johnma | who assigns the bug importance - is it the person who opens the bug or the cores? | 18:21 |
| iccha1 | cores i think | 18:21 |
| denis_makogon | johnma, a person who's in trove-bugs group | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | johnma: There's a "trove-bugs" group in LaunchPad whose members can change the importance. | 18:21 |
| johnma | ok , great. thanks | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | And currently any trove-dev can be part of that group | 18:22 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://launchpad.net/~trove-bugs | 18:22 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: I'm afraid that with the amount of review load, and other items that cores are trying to tackle, making yet another thing "core only" would cause more slowdowns. | 18:22 |
| amrith | Looking at other projects, review of bugs is an open responsibility | 18:23 |
| amrith | as it is in trove right now. | 18:23 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, agreed, it was just a proposal | 18:23 |
| amrith | i.e. there aren't 114 core team members for Nova. | 18:23 |
| iccha1 | +1 | 18:23 |
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| SlickNik | There was some discussion around having a bug czar on the mailing list earlier — perhaps what we need is someone who can drive triaging and making sure bugs are aptly marked (importance, milestone, etc). | 18:23 |
| denis_makogon | but we still need to find out suitable way to review bugs (thanks for amcrn for rising this question) | 18:24 |
| denis_makogon | czar may work, at least we can try it out | 18:24 |
| vgnbkr | If there is an issue, the trove-bugs could be a PTL appointment for non-cores, but has there been an issue that is raising the question? | 18:24 |
| amcrn | SlickNik: i can take a stab at a one time clean up for now,. | 18:25 |
| amrith | amcrn, if you'd like I'll split with you (and others who volunteer) | 18:25 |
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| amcrn | amrith: sure | 18:26 |
| amcrn | thanks | 18:26 |
| amrith | amcrn, maybe we can stick around after the meeting and divvy up the work | 18:26 |
| denis_makogon | if you wouldn't mind i would liket to help too | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | amcrn / amrith: thanks! | 18:26 |
| amrith | vgnbkr, I don't believe there's a specific issue now | 18:26 |
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| amrith | except that there's a lot of bugs | 18:26 |
| amrith | and it hasn't been a priority to sanitize LP | 18:26 |
| amrith | after all, stackalytics doesn't track that ;) | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | maybe you guys can come up with a recommendation for an ongoing plan as well. | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | That would be so sweet! :) | 18:27 |
| amcrn | SlickNik: now you're asking too much ;) | 18:27 |
| amrith | vgnbkr, I think the issue now is just that we need to clean up the bug lists ... so that when we're trying to prioritize bugs, it is less of a workload | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | lol, I knew I could count on you amcrn. | 18:27 |
| AJaeger_ | Some projects - like infra and docs - do regular bug days. | 18:27 |
| AJaeger_ | Maybe something for trove? | 18:28 |
| denis_makogon | AJaeger_, good point | 18:28 |
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| vgnbkr | amrith: Sure, I was referring to the recommendation to close the list. I thought there might be an issue I hadn't heard of. | 18:28 |
| AJaeger_ | A whole day where everybody goes through the open bugs to make the list as small as possible. | 18:28 |
| denis_makogon | we can do the same, bug-day is perfect thing for us =) | 18:28 |
| AJaeger_ | Fixing obvious bugs but also categorizing them and discussing how to move forward | 18:28 |
| denis_makogon | +1 to bug-day | 18:29 |
| amrith | vgnbkr, I don't believe there is a strong reason (that I know of or would support at this time) to close the list | 18:29 |
| amcrn | AJaeger_: let's brew on that and hash out some ideas next week. i think it'd be a great idea. | 18:29 |
| AJaeger_ | before you do it, check http://status.openstack.org/bugday/ | 18:29 |
| cp16net | +1 | 18:29 |
| * amrith volunteers amcrn | 18:30 | |
| SlickNik | AJaeger_: I like the idea | 18:30 |
| cp16net | 2nd amcrn | 18:30 |
| AJaeger_ | and get trove added to the link so that you can monitor your progress ;) | 18:30 |
| cp16net | :_p | 18:30 |
| amcrn | AJaeger_: accountability? pfft. | 18:30 |
| SlickNik | AJaeger_: nice! | 18:30 |
| iccha1 | and it could be done at a regular cadence | 18:30 |
| amcrn | ;) | 18:30 |
| iccha1 | so if u cant make it to this one, make it to the next one | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, all good ideas. | 18:33 |
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| SlickNik | #action amcrn, amrith to initially clean up bug list | 18:33 |
| amrith | ok | 18:33 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to look into getting bugday going with a regular cadence | 18:34 |
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| SlickNik | Let's move on. | 18:34 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Enable H301 | 18:35 |
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| cp16net | #define H301 | 18:35 |
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| denis_makogon | cp16net, import only module | 18:35 |
| AJaeger_ | cp16net this is one of the hacking rules which is currently disabled | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: no preprocessor directives in python, please :) | 18:35 |
| AJaeger_ | "H301: Do not import more than one module per line (*)" | 18:36 |
| AJaeger_ | but with disable H301, we also disable a few others like 304 and 306 | 18:36 |
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| AJaeger_ | "[H304] Do not make relative imports" | 18:36 |
| cp16net | that kinda sucks for the tests tho | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | AJaeger_ / amrith: feel free to jump in and explain. | 18:36 |
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| AJaeger_ | "H305 H306 H307] Organize your imports according to the Import order template and Real-world Import Order Examples below." | 18:36 |
| kevinconway | what's wrong with preprocessor directives? | 18:36 |
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| SlickNik | kevinconway: absolutely nothing | 18:36 |
| iccha1 | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/hacking/ | 18:36 |
| iccha1 | if that is still relevant | 18:37 |
| AJaeger_ | SlickNik: amrith invited me since I send a patch that fixes H301 | 18:37 |
| amrith | maybe some context would be good. AJaeger started working on a fix and I wanted to ensure that he didn't waste a bunch of time | 18:37 |
| AJaeger_ | and the question was how to continue with it | 18:37 |
| amrith | only to be told, thanks but no thanks. | 18:37 |
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| robertmyers | I guess my take is that imports do not effect the quality of our software | 18:37 |
| robertmyers | so I vote no | 18:37 |
| amrith | I'd like us to speak with him about what it is that he is going to implement | 18:37 |
| amrith | and make sure that he and the review team are in sync | 18:37 |
| vgnbkr | robertmyers: ++ | 18:37 |
| amrith | before he spends time. | 18:37 |
| AJaeger_ | This is one of the global OpenStack hacking rules and hacking is defined as "general accepted best practices" | 18:37 |
| AJaeger_ | Still a project is fine to ignore it. | 18:38 |
| robertmyers | So we can follow it in practice but not gate on it | 18:38 |
| AJaeger_ | robertmyers: that does not make sense. | 18:38 |
| robertmyers | I hate ridge rules | 18:38 |
| AJaeger_ | Fix all issues and then enable it | 18:38 |
| robertmyers | no | 18:38 |
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| AJaeger_ | or leave it | 18:38 |
| robertmyers | leave it | 18:39 |
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| robertmyers | don't fix the issues | 18:39 |
| AJaeger_ | If there's an agreement of leaving it, I will send a patch to document this. | 18:39 |
| robertmyers | just use it as a guideline | 18:39 |
| iccha1 | honestly I am fine either ways | 18:39 |
| AJaeger_ | Most projects document which violations are disabled on purpose - and which ones are disabled because nobody cleaned up yet. | 18:40 |
| AJaeger_ | Right now trove does not say either of it. | 18:40 |
| robertmyers | as a general rule we should follow this, but don't change a bunch of code to fix a non-bug | 18:40 |
| AJaeger_ | which meant to me: You ignore since you never cleaned up ;) | 18:40 |
| robertmyers | yes | 18:40 |
| cp16net | i dont think it matters beyond aesthetics of the code | 18:40 |
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| cp16net | which is on par with what robertmyers is saying | 18:40 |
| cp16net | +1 | 18:40 |
| AJaeger_ | cp16net: I agree, this is more a style issue and not to prevent any bugs - like other hacking checks | 18:41 |
| amcrn | +1 to leave as-is | 18:41 |
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| SlickNik | Same here, I'm trying to read to figure out if there are other implications of leaving this disabled. | 18:42 |
| grapex_ | AJaeger_: I think it makes sense to clean this up, but I honestly feel like there have been so many commits over the last two years that were just changing order of imports and stuff like that. I think there may be some collective exhaustion in some of the long-time Trovers about it. | 18:42 |
| cp16net | only time i've seen an issue with multiple imports is conflicting names but thats a runtime error | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | maybe unused ones | 18:42 |
| cp16net | but thats a pip error | 18:42 |
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| amcrn | grapex_: read my mind, and i'm not even an old-timer. | 18:42 |
| cp16net | i dont care for the importing * but some cases its alright | 18:42 |
| amrith | just to test the waters, may I have a quick show of hands. How many people want to move forward with enabling new rules as proposed in hacking and how many would like to remain as is. | 18:43 |
| AJaeger_ | grapex_: once the cleanup is in, it might be easier since you have a defined order on the imports | 18:43 |
| cp16net | #vote? | 18:43 |
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| amrith | sure, just want to see how wide the moat is | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | So AJaeger_, what I'm hearing is that we'd be amenable to a patchset that explicitly states that we have this check disabled in Trove. | 18:43 |
| amrith | or how broad the split is | 18:43 |
| robertmyers | lets vote | 18:43 |
| AJaeger_ | note that I'm volunteering myself to enable some of these after fixing them - but still need friendly reviewers. | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: sure | 18:43 |
| AJaeger_ | SlickNik: Yes, that's my feeling as well - and I will send such a patch similar to what other projects do. | 18:44 |
| AJaeger_ | unless there's another vote ;) | 18:44 |
| amrith | AJaeger_, I'm volunteering to help with the review as well. | 18:44 |
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| SlickNik | #vote Enable H301? Yes, No, Indifferent | 18:44 |
| * cp16net waits for SlickNik to find the docs for voting... | 18:44 | |
| AJaeger_ | #vote yes | 18:44 |
| cp16net | :-P | 18:44 |
| SushilKM_ | enabling 301 is gonna be huge task and big review | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | clearly I don't remember the syntax for #vote | 18:44 |
| AJaeger_ | SushilKM_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129624/ | 18:44 |
| amcrn | hrm, is the bot broken? | 18:44 |
| AJaeger_ | SushilKM_: done ;) | 18:45 |
| kevinconway | startvote? | 18:45 |
| grapex_ | I want to vote indifferent, but feel like if I see a bunch of people voting yes I'll want to vote no. :p | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | #startvote Enable H301? Yes, No, Indifferent | 18:45 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Enable H301? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Indifferent. | 18:45 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:45 |
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| AJaeger_ | #vote Yes | 18:45 |
| amcrn | #vote No | 18:45 |
| robertmyers | #vote No | 18:45 |
| iccha1 | #vote Indifferent | 18:45 |
| dougshelley66 | #vote No | 18:45 |
| SushilKM_ | #vote Yes | 18:45 |
| vgnbkr | #vote No | 18:45 |
| amrith | #vote no | 18:45 |
| cp16net | #vote No | 18:45 |
| grapex_ | #vote No | 18:45 |
| tomblank | #vote No | 18:45 |
| schang | #vote no | 18:45 |
| amrith | I demand a recount | 18:46 |
| cp16net | LOL | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | #vote Yes | 18:46 |
| cp16net | hanging chad? | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | Anyone else? | 18:46 |
| johnma | Yes | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | #endvote | 18:46 |
| openstack | Voted on "Enable H301?" Results are | 18:46 |
| openstack | Yes (3): AJaeger_, SushilKM_, SlickNik | 18:46 |
| openstack | Indifferent (1): iccha1 | 18:46 |
| openstack | No (9): schang, tomblank, robertmyers, amrith, vgnbkr, amcrn, cp16net, grapex_, dougshelley66 | 18:46 |
| grapex_ | SlickNik: You will have those Trove t-shirts that say "The Bad Boys of OpenStack" ready at the summit, right? | 18:47 |
| cp16net | lol | 18:47 |
| amcrn | LOL | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | grapex_: heh | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | there's an idea :) | 18:47 |
| iccha1 | lol | 18:47 |
| AJaeger_ | Tell me when you all wear it, I want a photo ;) | 18:47 |
| amrith | What me Hacking? | 18:47 |
| dougshelley66 | i could always use a new tshirt | 18:47 |
| grapex_ | amrith: lol! | 18:47 |
| amrith | with an Al Newmann cartoon on the front | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | Okay, I think we have a way forward, and it's as I suspected. | 18:48 |
| AJaeger_ | ok, will abandon my patch and send a documentation patch for tox.ini | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | Thanks AJaeger_! | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | #Topic Open Discussion | 18:48 |
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| AJaeger_ | Thanks for discussing it openly here - better a NO now than kicking you over the next half year ;) | 18:48 |
| amrith | AJaeger_, thanks much | 18:49 |
| schang | There is one more agenda item, I added it this morning. Do we have time for it today? | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | Oh, I missed it. Let me refresh | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | Sure, we have some time. | 18:50 |
| schang | It's about the guestagent refactoring. | 18:50 |
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| SlickNik | schang: You bring up a good topic. | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | To touch on the gate issue. | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | So finally the environment that rdjenkins runs on was decommissioned. | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | Which has been causing the "quota issues" in the gate. | 18:52 |
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| SlickNik | Still working on a way forward to gate against the integration tests. | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | Will keep all of you updated on the gate. | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | But hope to have a solution in place fairly soon (hopefully by the end of the week). | 18:53 |
| amcrn | thanks SlickNik | 18:53 |
| schang | Thanks SlickNik | 18:54 |
| schang | So robertmyers, what should be the next step for the guestagent refactoring? | 18:54 |
| grapex_ | SlickNik: Thanks for all your work on this. It's greatly appreciated. | 18:54 |
| robertmyers | schang: After it is merged, then we need to cut ties with trove | 18:54 |
| schang | Other than the gate -1, it pretty much passed the tests. | 18:54 |
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| schang | robertmyers: Did you say there could be some pending commits for the guestagent? | 18:55 |
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| schang | ... that we should merge before cutting the ties? | 18:56 |
| robertmyers | no | 18:56 |
| robertmyers | schang: basically we want everything to merge that is a higher priority | 18:56 |
| robertmyers | then this refactor | 18:56 |
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| robertmyers | to cut down on rebases all aroung | 18:57 |
| robertmyers | around | 18:57 |
| amrith | robertmyers, what we discussed last week | 18:57 |
| robertmyers | amrith yes | 18:57 |
| amrith | would give you a clear time to chkin | 18:57 |
| amrith | without other merges coming along | 18:57 |
| amrith | and muddying the water | 18:57 |
| robertmyers | yes | 18:57 |
| amrith | that's still the plan, I think. | 18:57 |
| robertmyers | so we are just pingin the world to say we are ready | 18:58 |
| amrith | except that someone (me) has been wreaking havoc in the builds. | 18:58 |
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| schang | And for me ... I'll leave this review the way it is, letting it to collect more feedback. | 18:58 |
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| SlickNik | robertmyers: yup, once the gate is back up, and the tests pass — let's look into triaging the reviews, and merging this if there's nothing else that more important. | 18:58 |
| amcrn | robertmyers schang: looking forward to the new world, thanks for the great work. | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | that's* | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | robertmyers: yes, thanks for this! It's been coming a while. | 18:59 |
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| robertmyers | SlickNik: cool thanks! | 18:59 |
| robertmyers | thank schang | 18:59 |
| robertmyers | he did it all, I'm just a supervisor | 18:59 |
| schang | thanks robertmyers | 19:00 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks schang! | 19:00 |
| grapex_ | robertmyers: You're the associate producer | 19:00 |
| amrith | thanks schang and robertmyers | 19:00 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, that's time. | 19:00 |
| schang | thanks SlickNik and amrith | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 19:00 |
| amrith | thanks SlickNik | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 22 19:00:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-22-18.01.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-22-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-22-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
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| jorgem | o/ | 20:00 |
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| ajmiller | o/ | 20:00 |
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| blogan | hi | 20:00 |
| blogan | \o/ | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 20:00 |
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| tmc3inphilly | \ m / | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff ? | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:01 |
| rohara | o/ | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | sbalukoff: stuck between two food trucks? | 20:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:01 |
| blogan | #startmeeting octavia | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 22 20:01:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is blogan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:01 |
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| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
| blogan | im not sure where stephen is, ill pass chair to him when gets back | 20:02 |
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| sbalukoff | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:02 |
| openstack | sbalukoff: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Roll call | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Wait a minute.. | 20:02 |
| dougwig | coup d'état! | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Is the bot busted? | 20:02 |
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| sbalukoff | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
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| blogan | #chair sbalukoff | 20:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan sbalukoff | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, looks like brief network interruption. | 20:02 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: your client must have errored | 20:02 |
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| blogan | please dont punish me dear leader, i wasn't trying to take over | 20:03 |
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| jorgem | mutiny! | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | FLOG HIM | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Can y'all see what I'm typing? | 20:03 |
| sballe | Hi | 20:03 |
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| blogan | yes | 20:03 |
| jorgem | ye | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff maybe re-log mang | 20:03 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff, we see you | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | I'm beginning to think I'm having some major network issues on my end. | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Crapsticks. | 20:03 |
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| rm_work | lol | 20:04 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: can you see what WE'RE typing? :P | 20:04 |
| dougwig | is sbalukoff saying anything? | 20:04 |
| rm_work | yes | 20:04 |
| dougwig | jk. i can see him. | 20:04 |
| jorgem | Can the real sbalukoff please stand up? | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | I'm going to attempt a re-connect. Apologies, folks. | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | sbalukoff is abot | 20:05 |
| rohara | ok now that he is gone ... | 20:05 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, back now? | 20:05 |
| jorgem | yup | 20:05 |
| xgerman | yep, your bot is back | 20:05 |
| blogan | we can see you, but can you see us? | 20:05 |
| dougwig | no, i can't see you | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Yay! | 20:05 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, that's annoying. | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Announcements | 20:05 |
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| blogan | good thing all of that got into the meeting log | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! So! | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | Indeed. | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | Has anyone heard back about the design summit schedule yet? | 20:06 |
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| blogan | mestery posted a thread on the ML | 20:06 |
| dougwig | kyle posted the tentative schedule to the ML. | 20:06 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, cool. Did Octavia get a session? | 20:06 |
| blogan | i dont think anything lbaas got a session | 20:07 |
| dougwig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics-distilled | 20:07 |
| dougwig | no, it did not. | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Damn. Ok, well then I guess we'll be collaborating in the pods. | 20:07 |
| dougwig | closest sessions to us are one on splitting out services and one on splitting out drivers. | 20:07 |
| blogan | and thats fine, i think we'll get more out of a design session in a closer setting | 20:07 |
| TrevorV | Forgive me, session different than a talk? | 20:08 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:08 |
| blogan | TrevorV: yes | 20:08 |
| barclaac | both of those sessions I can support | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | rm_work just hooked me up with a response :D | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | For those not attending the summit: Would you like those of us who are to post a schedule or something of when we're going to be trying to get together so we can collab with y'all offline? | 20:08 |
| sballe | that sucks! | 20:08 |
| rm_work | yes | 20:08 |
| rm_work | I am hoping some stuff will be streamed | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff, some of us night-birds would love that... :D | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | (Keep in mind this will be EU timezone appropriate--- meaning it'll be at very odd hours for you.) | 20:08 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: you mean normal hours for me | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | #action sbalukoff to come up with collaboration schedule for summit prior to summit | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! | 20:09 |
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| dougwig | also keep in mind that we will be snobbishly consuming wine and cheese at the top of the eiffel tower while you try to connect. | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | The other thing I wanted to announce: If it ain't in gerrit it doesn't exist. :) | 20:09 |
| sballe | dougwig: +1 | 20:09 |
| blogan | add that to comment to doesdouglikeit.com | 20:10 |
| sballe | dougwig: I was there last April (3 floor of the Eiffel tower) and it is pretty cool! | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | Basically, what I mean by that is, I've noticed that while some blueprints have been assigned for several weeks now, we have yet to see anything concrete. | 20:10 |
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| xgerman | johnsonm is busy working on it | 20:10 |
| dougwig | yeah, it's hunting season. | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | Add to that the fact that in a large project like this with people coming from many companies, people can get pulled off this project without warning. | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Haha! Noted! | 20:10 |
| xgerman | well, we all have our ptoduction issues | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | It's also vacation season for some. | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | Yes, but what I mean is: | 20:11 |
| xgerman | ;-) | 20:11 |
| rm_work | http://i.imgur.com/SvVv6hg.jpg | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | Even if you don't have much to share, I would like to see what you have in gerrit (checked in with -1 workflow) so that people can know where you're at. | 20:11 |
| TrevorV | +1 sbalukoff | 20:12 |
| blogan | +1 | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | The last things we need is for someone to spend a month working on something important that others are waiting for, only to get reassigned 2 days before it's "ready" for review. | 20:12 |
| TrevorV | or 2 days before they go on vacation | 20:12 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:12 |
| blogan | or a forced vacation... | 20:12 |
| rm_work | Yeah, I'll try to get my TLS blueprint stuff in Gerrit before the summit... | 20:13 |
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| sbalukoff | So, going back to the idea of trying to be courteous to those who are in charge of blueprints assigned to them: The other half of that relationship is keeping people up to date with progress in the form of code / specs / whatever in gerrit. | 20:13 |
| xgerman | well, then they can keep working ... to build their res8ume | 20:13 |
| dougwig | +1 | 20:13 |
| dougwig | to sbalukoff | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | Any questions or concerns about this? | 20:13 |
| blogan | sounds good to me | 20:13 |
| TrevorV | same | 20:13 |
| sballe | totally agree | 20:13 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:13 |
| ajmiller | +1 | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | #resolved If it ain't in gerrit, it doesn't exist. | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | I don't know if that's actually a tag. | 20:14 |
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| sbalukoff | Anyway, moving on | 20:14 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: oh, what if it's in Launchpad? | 20:14 |
| rm_work | I've been using the Launchpad whiteboard :P | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: If what you're working on requires feedback, gerrit is the place for that. | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | But yes, keeping launchpad up to date is a good idea. | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | Again, the idea here is to increase communication in appropriate ways, and to try not to lose the work of someone who gets re-assigned. | 20:15 |
| blogan | well there will be some time delay between assigning yourself to a blueprint and getting your thoughts organized and written down into a spec | 20:15 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Does that make sense? | 20:16 |
| rm_work | yes | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | Moving on! | 20:16 |
| xgerman | and gerrit is not a godd tool for brainstorming | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Reviews Needing Attention | 20:16 |
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| sbalukoff | I think the biggest one here is Brandon's and Trevor's work on the Operator API. | 20:17 |
| blogan | there is the massive, horrificly large operator-api review, i expect that to take some time | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | Lots of code there, needs some eyes. | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121233/ | 20:17 |
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| sbalukoff | Anyone else want to pitch a review needing eyes? | 20:18 |
| xgerman | ajmiller? | 20:18 |
| ajmiller | Yes, getting the link | 20:18 |
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| ajmiller | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130002/ | 20:19 |
| blogan | also the amphora API spec | 20:19 |
| blogan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126801/ | 20:19 |
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| sbalukoff | Oh yeah, that. | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 20:20 |
| ajmiller | I've gotten feedback form several folks already, have posted one set of patches, and am working on another. | 20:20 |
| blogan | which id like to discuss with you after the meeting, or in open discussion | 20:20 |
| blogan | sbalukoff ^^ | 20:20 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: Sounds good. | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, anything else? | 20:20 |
| blogan | ajmiller: thanks for getting that up | 20:21 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | Yes, thanks, ajmiller! | 20:21 |
| ajmiller | my pleasure | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, next topic... | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Logging requirements discussion (jorgem) | 20:21 |
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| sbalukoff | jorgem: Take it away! | 20:21 |
| jorgem | alrighty | 20:21 |
| jorgem | everyone read my mail on the ML? | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | Let's assume "yes" | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 20:22 |
| jorgem | If not please do. | 20:22 |
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| jorgem | I'm trying to build requirements for usage and logging | 20:22 |
| jorgem | so far xgerman opposed for scaling reasons? | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | When you say "usage" what do you mean? | 20:22 |
| * dougwig cries for UDP | 20:22 | |
| sbalukoff | ("logging" is clear to me.) | 20:22 |
| jorgem | tracking usage, billing usage and real-time usage | 20:22 |
| * sbalukoff kicks UDP while it's down. | 20:22 | |
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| sbalukoff | Oh, right. | 20:23 |
| xgerman | billing should be in ceilometer | 20:23 |
| jorgem | All three of those are things Rackspace needs | 20:23 |
| sballe | jorgem: By Billing usage I am assuming you mean metering. right? Billing is different to me | 20:23 |
| jorgem | sure | 20:23 |
| jorgem | :) | 20:23 |
| * dougwig cries for UDP (<-- since you kicked it, it repeated) | 20:24 | |
| jorgem | So I wanted to clarify on the cielometer thing | 20:24 |
| xgerman | ok | 20:24 |
| jorgem | I don't think we are going to be using that but others will be (HP ahem) | 20:24 |
| barclaac | UDP = good :-D | 20:24 |
| xgerman | yep, we have ceilometer as a requirement | 20:24 |
| jorgem | I still think the other pros make logging worthwhile | 20:24 |
| tmc3inphilly | ah stateless protocols... they are great until engineers try to overload them... | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: +1 | 20:25 |
| barclaac | Do you think of logging for general running or diagnosing what broke? | 20:25 |
| jorgem | the amount stored after sending to cielometer can be modified | 20:25 |
| jorgem | so my email has the arguments for it | 20:25 |
| jorgem | but to answer your question quickly... | 20:25 |
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| jorgem | diagnostic support for technicians is one reason I want it | 20:26 |
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| jorgem | usually people want logs after the fact | 20:26 |
| jorgem | and then they find out they don't have them :( | 20:26 |
| barclaac | jorgem +1 | 20:26 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:26 |
| jorgem | anyways we can continue on the ML as it is a heavy topic | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | sballe and xgerman: Would it be possible for you to draw up your requirements around ceilometer usage and share that in jorgem's thread on the ML? | 20:27 |
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| jorgem | that would be great sbalukoff +1 | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | I'm thinking that having *all* the requirements laid out somewhere (and probably eventually documented in the project) will help us to make sure we're solving for use cases that people are actually going to need. | 20:27 |
| jorgem | Also I'd like people to add what kinds of usage parameters they want to track/bill for. | 20:27 |
| blogan | i think the main concern is the large amounts of data this will require, but if fine tuning of it can mitigate it then I wouldn't have a problem with it | 20:28 |
| sballe | jorgem: We need to store the logs in a centralized logging service. | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: +1 | 20:28 |
| jorgem | bandwidth in/out, concurrent connections, uptime etc. | 20:28 |
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| sballe | To me what we do with the logs are different than what we do with Ceilomter. It serves two different purposes | 20:28 |
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| sbalukoff | #action Everyone with usage and logging concerns to share their specific requirements on ML in jorgem's thread. | 20:28 |
| xgerman | yep + logs from all load balancers will be heavy so we need to see how that scales in parctice | 20:28 |
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| blogan | sballe: from my understanding, you would analyze the logs to determine the usage and send those numbers to ceilometer | 20:28 |
| jwarendt | sballe: +1 | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | sballe: +1 | 20:29 |
| jorgem | correct but the granular data the logs provides can serve both. Polling usage is messy | 20:29 |
| jorgem | its how you analyze the data that makes it a different use case | 20:29 |
| xgerman | yeah, hence it was proposed to have the amphora emi that straight to ceilometer | 20:29 |
| sballe | the logs are used for SOC compliance, to debug what is wrong with a system, etc... | 20:29 |
| jorgem | I just want to use the same raw data | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | We also get users who want "as up to date as possible" real-time usage information for dashboards and whatnot (not strictly used for billing) | 20:29 |
| jorgem | To be clear I'm envisioning apache style request logs | 20:30 |
| sballe | jorgem: We analyze the data in or centralized logging services | 20:30 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: real-time usage would be another item I want | 20:30 |
| sballe | not if we debug a problem here and now | 20:30 |
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| jorgem | I'll elaborate on the ML sballe. I don't think I've been clear enough | 20:31 |
| jorgem | but your insight into what you'd like would be helpful as well :) | 20:31 |
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| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, anything else on this topic, jorgem? | 20:32 |
| jorgem | Also this is from my experience building 4 usage collection systems | 20:32 |
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| jorgem | sbalukoff: We can move on I think ML is the right forum for this discussion | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Yeah, I look forward to not repeating any pain y'all went through doing that. XD | 20:32 |
| sballe | jorgem: Have you looked at somethign like lumberjack to forward the logs real time? | 20:32 |
| jorgem | We don't do that on our end. We use hadoop but I've heard of it yes | 20:33 |
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| jorgem | flume I believe is the real-time forwarding for haddop | 20:33 |
| xgerman | yep, | 20:34 |
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| sbalukoff | So many log puns... | 20:34 |
| sballe | :) | 20:34 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, moving on! | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Progress reports | 20:34 |
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| sbalukoff | So this topic is mostly about where we're at on the blueprints assigned to us. | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | For my part: Vacation was excellent! And I totally didn't get anything done on the stuff assigned to me as a result. | 20:35 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: We've already heard you need eyes on the operator-api review. How are things going on that otherwise? | 20:35 |
| blogan | just waiting on feedback really | 20:36 |
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| blogan | im sure there is plenty of feedback people will have | 20:36 |
| blogan | i know its massive though | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, no major changes envisioned at this point (other than probably minor stuff brought up in review)? | 20:36 |
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| blogan | yeah unless someone comes in and says they don't want to use pecan or wsme | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Could we get a progress report on the network driver and neutron implementation stuff? | 20:37 |
| dougwig | so far, initial research complete, but nothing written up (not in gerrit, doesn't exist). between hunting and coordinating an office move, i don't expect to have cycles until nov 1. | 20:38 |
| blogan | lol you mean until the summit | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Ok, so just in time for the summit. | 20:38 |
| dougwig | lots of airplane time on the way to the summit, yes. :) | 20:38 |
| blogan | just in time to have discussions about it | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | Anyway, hopefully we can collaborate on this then, eh. | 20:39 |
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| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:39 |
| blogan | bc im sure there is a lot of things to discuss on it | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | Is johnsom around? Does anyone know where he's at on the base image work? | 20:39 |
| blogan | he gave an update last wek | 20:39 |
| blogan | week | 20:39 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, no change since then? (HP folks?) | 20:39 |
| ajmiller | He is dealing with an operations issue this afternoon. | 20:40 |
| xgerman | and I was on vacation | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | ajmiller: Got it. | 20:40 |
| xgerman | but we are slowly getting back into the groove | 20:40 |
| blogan | german gets his groove back! | 20:41 |
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| sbalukoff | ajmiller: I'm guessing your update is "need eyes on my review" right? Anything else you'd like to share on that one? | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: +1 | 20:41 |
| ajmiller | yes, that's basically it. I will be posting a patch with whatever current feedback I have later this afternoon. | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | Sounds good. | 20:42 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, any other progress reports y'all would like to share? | 20:42 |
| rm_work | Barbican is a moving target | 20:42 |
| xgerman | :-( | 20:42 |
| rm_work | I'm going to try to get stuff out today though | 20:42 |
| rm_work | I think we're going to copy Cinder/Nova and have it actually be a "Certificate Manager" interface, with a Barbican implementation | 20:43 |
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| blogan | by "we" do you mean Octavia? | 20:43 |
| rm_work | yes | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Wow, that sounds like a significant change. | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | Cool. | 20:43 |
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| xgerman | oh, I thpught rm_work was using the royal we | 20:43 |
| rm_work | I might try to schedule a hangout to discuss at some point | 20:43 |
| rm_work | need to figure out when people have some time | 20:44 |
| blogan | im sure this affects neutron lbaast oo | 20:44 |
| rm_work | basically, I could use eyes on: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/octavia/+spec/define-barbican-touchpoints | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Sounds good. You know how to get a hold of us, eh. :) | 20:44 |
| rm_work | the whiteboard section | 20:44 |
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| rm_work | blogan: it's... yeah. it's interesting. probably will also do the same thing in LBaaS | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, moving on... | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Open Discussion | 20:44 |
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| sbalukoff | Aah... wonderful. I see I'm getting random IRC delays again. | 20:45 |
| blogan | amphora API spec | 20:45 |
| blogan | how convenient | 20:45 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: Let me try reconnecting again, as that seemed to make a difference last time. | 20:46 |
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| blogan | okay | 20:46 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok... | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | (Part of the reason I like connecting from home: Office wireless suuuuucks. :P ) | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Did you want to discuss the amphora API spec? | 20:47 |
| blogan | yeah | 20:47 |
| rm_work | me too | 20:47 |
| blogan | i replied to your comments | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | I saw that, haven't had time to reply back yet. | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | But seeing as how we're here... | 20:48 |
| blogan | well i guess im just concerned that there is the possibility for it to connect to the octavia database | 20:48 |
| blogan | each amphora | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Nope, there shouldn't be. | 20:48 |
| blogan | okay good | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | amphora should not have that kind of access. | 20:48 |
| blogan | yes agreed | 20:48 |
| blogan | that would be bad voodoo | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | And if I'm giving that impression, I've either not thought something through or misspoken. | 20:48 |
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| sbalukoff | Yeah, amphorae can't be trusted that way-- they're going to be targets of attacks. | 20:49 |
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| blogan | okay so then, how does the API decide whether an haproxy instance is in an PENDING_CREATE/PENDING_UPDATE/PENDING_DELETE | 20:49 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, so, I'll respond to your comments with that in mind. Any other major concerns there? | 20:50 |
| blogan | oh okay we can wait till comments | 20:50 |
| blogan | thats fine | 20:50 |
| rm_work | I am curious how the amphora API initiates a secure connection to the controller | 20:50 |
| xgerman | ssl certs? | 20:50 |
| rm_work | and by that I mean, secure in both directions -- IE, server/client cert | 20:50 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:50 |
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| rm_work | but, will each amphora API spin up with its own cert? is the cert part of the base image? | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Controller / driver needs to have an API interface on the same network as the amphorae, and yes, authentication / encryption is handled through bi-directional certificate verification. | 20:51 |
| xgerman | in libra's case cert is part of base image | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | Which piles a whole bunch more crap on the barbican plate. :) | 20:51 |
| rm_work | ok, so I am interested in the specifics of how we'll set that up | 20:51 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: i don't know that that's true | 20:51 |
| rm_work | I thought so originally, but i think it may actually not be barbican related at all | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: I was planning on telling you "You handle this!" | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | kidding | 20:52 |
| rm_work | which is part of what I wanted to discuss in a hangout :P | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah, so I've got some ideas there, but it sounds like you do to. | 20:52 |
| rm_work | what are you guys up to in... uhh... 8 minutes? :P | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | I also know how we handle it in our current environment... | 20:52 |
| xgerman | well, I am ok if we bake it into the image for 0.5 | 20:52 |
| TrevorV | xgerman does that mean the same cert across all amphora? | 20:53 |
| rm_work | yeah probably | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Yes. | 20:53 |
| xgerman | yes | 20:53 |
| xgerman | if we use different certs for each amphora we need a secure mechanism to get them there + a plan when we fail over an amphora | 20:53 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: So, 6 minutes from now sounds like it's not going to work, but I could do later this afternoon. | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Correct. | 20:54 |
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| rm_work | sbalukoff: lol, later this afternoon | 20:54 |
| rm_work | that works for me I guess, but it's already 4pm :P | 20:54 |
| rm_work | let me know when you could, ASAP is great for me since this is a blocker for a bit of work | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Or tomorrow or Friday if that's better. If this isn't urgent / a blocker for you. | 20:54 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:55 |
| xgerman | yeah, if you need me or johnsom I can arrange for that :-) | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | Let's say... 30 minutes from now? | 20:55 |
| rm_work | kk | 20:55 |
| sballe | rm_work: PLease ping me if I am around. I am interested in this topic. | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | (Also, I have no idea whether the sound on this new laptop works. I may need to literally phone in. | 20:55 |
| rm_work | xgerman / sballe could be good to have you on, yeah | 20:55 |
| blogan | xgerman: you or johnsom or both should get involved too, sounds lke yall can add some valuable insight | 20:55 |
| * TrevorV thinks sbalukoff should use a smart phone like rm_work | 20:56 | |
| blogan | what is a "smart phone"? | 20:56 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:56 |
| xgerman | well, I have a meeting 30 minutes but I am free after 3 pm PST | 20:56 |
| rm_work | anything better than blogan's dumb phone | 20:56 |
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| blogan | my phone is awesome | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | Is 3:00pm too late for you, rm_work? | 20:56 |
| rm_work | ok so, 3pm PST? | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | (PDT) | 20:56 |
| rm_work | nah | 20:56 |
| tmc3inphilly | flip phones were cool in the 90 | 20:56 |
| tmc3inphilly | s | 20:56 |
| rm_work | I'm here till like 7pm CST | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | That's an hour from now. | 20:56 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:56 |
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| sballe | ok I will join too. | 20:57 |
| rm_work | kk | 20:57 |
| sbalukoff | Great! Gives me a short window in which to troubleshoot sound problems on my laptop | 20:57 |
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| sballe | :-) | 20:57 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, folks. | 20:57 |
| xgerman | awesome | 20:57 |
| rm_work | kk | 20:57 |
| sbalukoff | We're almost out of time. | 20:57 |
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| sbalukoff | Anyone have anything else they'd like to say in the last 2 minutes? | 20:57 |
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| sballe | nope | 20:58 |
| TrevorV | I'd like to say: Word. | 20:58 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, folks! Thanks for your participation! | 20:58 |
| sbalukoff | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
| TrevorV | \o | 20:58 |
| sballe | bye | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 22 20:58:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-22-20.01.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-22-20.01.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-22-20.01.log.html | 20:58 |
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