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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 10 20:00:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | Welcome back Barbicaneers! | 20:00 |
| redrobot | As usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | I'm actually not expecting very many people to show today. | 20:01 |
| SheenaG1 | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | You rock SheenaG1 !! :) | 20:01 |
| alee | o/ | 20:01 |
| SheenaG1 | redrobot: can't let you have this meeting all by your lonesome! | 20:02 |
| redrobot | good to see you made it home ok alee | 20:02 |
| redrobot | I think it's just the three of us today, so it should be a quick meeting | 20:02 |
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| alee | redrobot, stil a little jet lagged - and I missed my connection - so it was a long delay in lovely detroit | 20:02 |
| alee | looks like rellerreller made it back too. | 20:03 |
| SheenaG1 | alee: who wouldn't want to visit Detroit? | 20:03 |
| rellerreller | Is there a meeting today? | 20:03 |
| redrobot | alee heh... I missed my flight out of Paris >_< | 20:03 |
| redrobot | rellerreller yeah, should be a short one though | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #topic New Core Reviewers | 20:03 |
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| alee | redrobot, I think rellerreller and I have already +1'ed | 20:04 |
| redrobot | First, let's cover the nomination for Steve Heyman | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/049852.html | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | Yeah, I counted 6 x +1, and since it's been five days of open voting, I'm calling it a Yes for Steve. I will add Steve to barbican-core after the meeting. | 20:04 |
| redrobot | Next, we have the nomination for Juan Antonio Osorio Robles | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/049855.html | 20:05 |
| alee | SheenaG1, I'm sure Detroit is lovely, I just have not made it past the airport (which is lovely too) | 20:05 |
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| rellerreller | Congratulations to Steve! | 20:06 |
| redrobot | The vote count for Juan was also 6x +1, and with five days of open voting, I'm also calling this a Yes. | 20:06 |
| redrobot | I will also be adding Juan to barbican-core after the meeting. | 20:06 |
| alee | ditto for Juan | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | Congratulations to both Juan and Steve! I think they're both well deserved after all the review work they've been putting into the project. | 20:07 |
| redrobot | even if they didn't make it to today's meeting. | 20:07 |
| redrobot | Ok, moving on | 20:08 |
| redrobot | #topic RFC 7030 | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #link https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7030 | 20:08 |
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| alee | redrobot, I think we need more time to study this rfc and decide what to do with it. | 20:09 |
| redrobot | For today, I just wanted to remind everyone to read through the RFC. We'll push discussion until next week's meeting to give everyone a chance to come back from OpenStack Summit and related vacations. | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | alee agreed. | 20:09 |
| jaosorior | did it already start? O_O | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | jaosorior meeting? Yes. You missed the official announcement that we're adding you to barbican-core after the meeting. | 20:09 |
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| alee | jaosorior, yup - and you've been designated core -- felicitations! | 20:10 |
| jaosorior | yay! :D | 20:10 |
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| jaosorior | http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/mexcellent.jpg | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | jaosorior lol | 20:10 |
| redrobot | so, that's all that was on the agenda for today. | 20:12 |
| redrobot | anyone have anything they'd like to bring up? | 20:12 |
| redrobot | if not we can call the meeting early. | 20:12 |
| jaosorior | well, did the guys interested in implementing the RFC7030 show up? | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | jaosorior I don't think so. I just wanted to remind everyone to read the RFC. Lots of peeps are still on vacation or making their way back from Paris. | 20:13 |
| jaosorior | oh, alright | 20:13 |
| jaosorior | I was hurrying to finish reading it :P | 20:13 |
| alee | jaosorior, its a little early I think. we talked about perhaps meeting with them after the next brabican meeting next week. | 20:13 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey @all, didn't realise the weekly was running today? | 20:13 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry, no question there - just erm, hi :) | 20:14 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei hi! | 20:14 |
| jaosorior | yo, whattup | 20:14 |
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| alee | jaosorior, its going to take some thought -- even if we decide its a good idea - we need to figure out when we'd want to implement it | 20:14 |
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| alee | given that we should be trying to stabilize the api. | 20:14 |
| hyakuhei | Where's the best description of how transport keys work (other than the code)? I'm not sure they work how I think they work | 20:15 |
| jaosorior | that's correct. Although if I remember correctly they had offered to implement it | 20:15 |
| jaosorior | and on the other hand, the API as proposed by the RFC would end up being separate from the one we are using now | 20:15 |
| alee | hyakuhei, well the code is in the server side - but not in the client side yet | 20:15 |
| alee | hyakuhei, I need to implement that soon. | 20:15 |
| jaosorior | (even URI-wise it would have a separate path) | 20:15 |
| hyakuhei | ah ok, there isn't a spec for it I believe? | 20:15 |
| alee | hyakuhei, there is -- let me see .. | 20:16 |
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| hyakuhei | Because when we were talking about pre-encryption and the different approaches, the asymmetric system I was imagining kinda sounded exactly the same as how I think transport keys would work | 20:16 |
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| hyakuhei | So some part of my thinking is broken :P | 20:16 |
| hyakuhei | yo tkelsey ! | 20:16 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/barbican-specs/specs/juno/add-wrapping-key-to-barbican-server.html | 20:16 |
| tkelsey | hey all, sorry im late # | 20:16 |
| alee | redrobot, thanks :) | 20:17 |
| alee | hyakuhei, right - pre-encryption and transport keys are two separate features | 20:17 |
| hyakuhei | alee: Yup, but I'm not 100% sure on the details of either :P | 20:17 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks for the link redrobot | 20:18 |
| alee | hyakuhei, sure - read the specs and let me know if you have questions | 20:18 |
| hyakuhei | will do | 20:18 |
| alee | (and be sure to comment) | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | hyakuhei you're welcome... even if y'all totally hijacked the meeting topic. :-P | 20:19 |
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| alee | redrobot, so yeah - in general - just a reminder for folks to read the outstanding specs -- so we can start getting to work .. | 20:19 |
| redrobot | #topic Kilo Specs | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/barbican-specs,n,z | 20:20 |
| alee | redrobot, we probably need to enumerate any additional specs that came out of the summit | 20:20 |
| alee | rellerreller, you going to write the "content-type" one ? :) | 20:20 |
| rellerreller | I can write it | 20:21 |
| redrobot | and here I thought it was going to be a short meeting... hehe | 20:21 |
| alee | awesome | 20:21 |
| redrobot | I think I was on the hook for writing the Active Plugin spec? | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | Do we need a spec for a such a short commit? It will mostly be documentation. | 20:21 |
| alee | rellerreller, depending on what we decide is the right version of PEM, it could be more than just documentation | 20:22 |
| rellerreller | alee good point | 20:22 |
| alee | though I'm in favor of keeping what we have (assuming its the same) | 20:23 |
| alee | rellerreller, its worth putting in a spec - so we dont rehash all this next summit | 20:23 |
| redrobot | #action rellerreller to write spec for content-types | 20:24 |
| alee | redrobot, sounds good to me about the active plugin spec. | 20:24 |
| redrobot | #action rellerreller to write spec for Active SecretStore | 20:24 |
| redrobot | derp | 20:24 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to write spec for Active SecretStore | 20:24 |
| alee | is there a spec for the tpm stuff? | 20:25 |
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| rellerreller | alee I have not seen one in Barbican, but I did see one in another project | 20:26 |
| alee | redrobot, you might want to contact malini and figure out where all that is .. | 20:26 |
| alee | rellerreller, link? | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | One second | 20:27 |
| alee | redrobot, I need to revise my spec for per-secret policy based on what we decided at the summit | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | alee I cannot find it at the moment. I will have to post a link later. | 20:28 |
| redrobot | #action alee to update ACL policy spec | 20:28 |
| alee | cool | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | alee trying to remember what the TPM stuff was? ... | 20:29 |
| alee | redrobot, malini et al hd made changes to barbican and other projects to accept a TPM quote and use that to determine if someone was authorized to get a secret | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | The TPM stuff is to add hooks to allow attestation protocols to run before releasing the keys. | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | I see... OK, I'll ping Malini about that | 20:30 |
| rellerreller | It runs the Open Attestation protocol to get a TPM quote and then verifies it. In theory it can do more than just a TPM quote, but that is all in the first release. | 20:30 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to contact Malini to figure out the loctaion of TPM work | 20:30 |
| alee | my guess is that this involves some kind of middleware module that that runs before barbican - and it would also tie in neatly with the per-secret acls. | 20:30 |
| hyakuhei | Interested in the TPM work too | 20:31 |
| alee | redrobot, on my flight home, I did run into some O-O-O folks interested in using barbican to get certs. I'll see if I can follow up with them. | 20:32 |
| alee | also the Sahara folks. | 20:32 |
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| alee | are there any other missing specs? | 20:33 |
| redrobot | alee nice. | 20:33 |
| redrobot | alee looking at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-kilo-roadmap to see if we missed anything | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | Ah yes, the Tenant->Secret association. | 20:34 |
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| alee | redrobot, yeah - we agreed to axe it. | 20:34 |
| redrobot | I think woodster wanted to tackle that | 20:34 |
| redrobot | will ping him about that when he comes back next week | 20:35 |
| alee | redrobot, ok | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | Also, we still need a name for the KeyManager repo | 20:35 |
| alee | whats a spike? | 20:35 |
| hyakuhei | I thought keymanager was moving into barbican-client? | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | alee short for Research Spike... basically spend some time to research and figure out best course of action. | 20:36 |
| tkelsey | alee I only know a spike in the context of scrum | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | hyakuhei the implementation will be in barbicanclient. The interface will live in its own repo though. | 20:36 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei that way people not using barbican don't have to take on the barbicanclient dependency | 20:37 |
| hyakuhei | Righto, makes sense. | 20:37 |
| alee | ok - we discussed also a generic discovery api with json schema | 20:37 |
| alee | with barbican-core doing validation based on that schema -- that needs investigation | 20:38 |
| alee | and blueprints/specs | 20:38 |
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| alee | tkelsey, being a former physicist, I only know of spikes in the context of dirac delta functions .. | 20:40 |
| jaosorior | you mean discovery such as in keystone? | 20:40 |
| redrobot | jaosorior the idea was to have an API that will let you discover how many CAs can provision certificates for a particular Barbican instance | 20:41 |
| alee | jaosorior, discovery as in presenting which algorithms , bit lengths etc. a plugin supports | 20:41 |
| jaosorior | alright | 20:41 |
| redrobot | jaosorior and also discover properties about that CA, like whether it's internal or global, etc. | 20:41 |
| tkelsey | alee sounds much more interesting. In scrum a spike is a research task with no actual deliverable other than learning | 20:41 |
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| alee | redrobot, there are two discovery ideas here - one on which ca's are avilabale -- | 20:42 |
| alee | and one on which algorithms, patramters etc. are needed | 20:42 |
| alee | redrobot, ca-discovery has been approved and has a spec .. | 20:43 |
| alee | https://review.openstack.org/129048 | 20:43 |
| alee | (which needs more reviewers) | 20:43 |
| alee | redrobot, general capability discovery needs a spec for secret stroe type functions, but also has a spec for ca type functions | 20:44 |
| hyakuhei | I'll take a look at the spec | 20:44 |
| alee | https://review.openstack.org/129377 | 20:44 |
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| alee | hyakuhei, cool thanks | 20:44 |
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| * redrobot needs to lock himself in a room and just review specs for a couple of days | 20:45 | |
| hyakuhei | +1000 | 20:46 |
| hyakuhei | Need more days. | 20:46 |
| alee | redrobot, excellent idea :) | 20:46 |
| tkelsey | lol | 20:46 |
| redrobot | yep, lots of work to do guys... Our folks should start trickling back from the Summit over the next few days | 20:50 |
| redrobot | I'll get my cattle prod ready and see if I can get them to review specs | 20:50 |
| redrobot | I think we have enough todos to keep us busy until next week. | 20:51 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: email me anything you want reviewing as a priority and I'll weild my might +/-1 ... | 20:51 |
| redrobot | Any last minute comments/concerns? | 20:51 |
| hyakuhei | *mighty | 20:51 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei thanks! will do. | 20:52 |
| hyakuhei | So it might be worth flagging up the swift encryption stuff | 20:52 |
| hyakuhei | As not directly barbican, lots of learned people here might have opinions on it | 20:52 |
| hyakuhei | Not that it's short of opinions already... | 20:52 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei true, do you have any links handy? | 20:52 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123220/ | 20:52 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei thanks | 20:53 |
| hyakuhei | np | 20:53 |
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| redrobot | Alrighty guys, thanks for coming to the meeting. See you all next week. | 20:56 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 10 20:56:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-11-10-20.00.html | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-11-10-20.00.txt | 20:56 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-11-10-20.00.log.html | 20:56 |
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