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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 11 13:00:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hi | 13:00 |
| irenab | Hi | 13:00 |
| heyongli | hi, everyone | 13:01 |
| sadasu | Hi | 13:01 |
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| irenab | baoli: thanks a lot for posting agenda for this meeting. | 13:01 |
| baoli | irenab, hope it doesn't miss anything | 13:01 |
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| baoli | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Nov._11th.2C_2014 | 13:02 |
| adrian-hoban | Hi Guys | 13:03 |
| irenab | hi | 13:03 |
| baoli | adrian-hoban: welcome to join the meeting | 13:04 |
| pczesno | hi | 13:04 |
| adrian-hoban | baoli: Thanks | 13:04 |
| sadasu | Hello adrian-hoban, pczesno | 13:04 |
| irenab | shall we start? | 13:04 |
| baoli | yep | 13:05 |
| sadasu | are we starting from the contents of the ether pad? | 13:05 |
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| baoli | I put the etherpad there as reference | 13:05 |
| baoli | Let's do the bugs first | 13:05 |
| sadasu | ok | 13:06 |
| irenab | baoli: Ok, then lets discuss how to progress with etherpad items | 13:06 |
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| heyongli | nova-compute fails to start | 13:07 |
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| heyongli | patches sent, had comments to address, will release new patch soon | 13:08 |
| irenab | heyongli: link to bug/review? | 13:08 |
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| heyongli | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131321/ | 13:08 |
| irenab | heyongli: thanks | 13:08 |
| baoli | heyongli, looks like one more step to get it approved. | 13:08 |
| heyongli | sure, it's likely easy to fix | 13:09 |
| heyongli | the comments | 13:09 |
| irenab | heyongli: folowing summit concerns, are you testing on HW as well? | 13:09 |
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| heyongli | definitely | 13:10 |
| heyongli | all hw env | 13:10 |
| irenab | heyongli: great, thanks | 13:10 |
| baoli | heyongli, combining your patch with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117042/ will likely fix the pci init issue. | 13:10 |
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| heyongli | this need rebase | 13:10 |
| heyongli | will release soon also | 13:10 |
| baoli | I listed two review from Yunhong Jiang at the end https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Passthrough#Agenda_on_Nov._11th.2C_2014 | 13:11 |
| heyongli | another bug resize with PCI devices doesn't work | 13:12 |
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| heyongli | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1368201 | 13:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1368201 in nova "resize with PCI devices doesn't work" [Low,Confirmed] | 13:12 |
| heyongli | also got progressed, will come up to a patch in few days | 13:12 |
| irenab | baoli: is there any bug without owner? | 13:13 |
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| baoli | let's have a conversation one at a time. heyongli, what did you find out? | 13:14 |
| baoli | irenab: the last one on the list doesn't seem to have an owner, and it's an old bug. | 13:15 |
| heyongli | which one? | 13:15 |
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| irenab | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1333498 | 13:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1333498 in nova "table nova.pci_devices lost device status every time. && PciDeviceList.get_by_compute_node pass a wrong parameter" [Low,Confirmed] | 13:16 |
| heyongli | i assign this bug to me https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1333498 | 13:16 |
| baoli | heyongli, reszie | 13:16 |
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| heyongli | resize had several problem | 13:16 |
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| heyongli | first one is the prefix _new process code been killed, i re open that in new style, then got pci resiza allocation work, | 13:17 |
| baoli | heyongli, yeah, that's a known issue. So you are debugging with Juno code. | 13:18 |
| heyongli | second one is when migration, the pci device free on old compute node had problem, i also fond a way to solve the problem | 13:18 |
| heyongli | yeah, i always work with new code -:) | 13:18 |
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| irenab | there also another bug, seems old, withour owner: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1261256 | 13:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1261256 in nova "Cannot assign 2 same type PCI passthrough devices to 2 instances separately" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 13:19 |
| heyongli | irenab, that's one is single tigger, not reproduced yet | 13:19 |
| heyongli | Requested operation is not valid: PCI device 0000:04:00.0 is in use by domain instance-00000010\n'] | 13:20 |
| heyongli | and seems configration error | 13:20 |
| irenab | heyongli: ok then, not a bug | 13:21 |
| heyongli | because libvirt found the pci device used by another domain. sorry, might not a configration error, but before reproduced, nothing can do with it | 13:21 |
| heyongli | back to resize | 13:22 |
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| heyongli | the update from migration need changed to corretly handle the resize, | 13:22 |
| heyongli | all those change will solid together to form a patch to fix resize bug | 13:23 |
| baoli | heyongli, that sounds good. Can't wait to try it. | 13:23 |
| heyongli | this is the live migiration base | 13:23 |
| baoli | heyongli, the bug also says after resize, the instance becomes inaccessible. | 13:23 |
| heyongli | sorry for this | 13:23 |
| heyongli | baoli: no, i can access the instance after resize | 13:24 |
| baoli | heyongli, that sounds great | 13:24 |
| baoli | heyongli, looking forward to your patch | 13:24 |
| heyongli | if new patches released, and you still can not access the instance, we then dicuss it with detail | 13:24 |
| irenab | heyngli: please add me to the review as you upload the patch | 13:24 |
| heyongli | sure, irenab | 13:25 |
| baoli | back to this one then: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1333498 | 13:25 |
| heyongli | i got 3 bug on queue, seems all progress well now | 13:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1333498 in nova "table nova.pci_devices lost device status every time. && PciDeviceList.get_by_compute_node pass a wrong parameter" [Low,Confirmed] | 13:25 |
| baoli | so this looks like the compute restart bug. | 13:26 |
| heyongli | baoli, this patch need to be rebase and retesting, few days needed | 13:26 |
| heyongli | yeah, compute node problem | 13:26 |
| heyongli | this because 2 reason | 13:26 |
| heyongli | firs one is we use node id | 13:26 |
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| heyongli | second one is the pci devices need discovery, this is not like memory and vcpu, we can not reset the resource in evevery round of updating resource | 13:27 |
| baoli | heyongli, I think that we have several bugs reported on this issue already, and there are several patches out of there dealing with this. | 13:28 |
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| heyongli | i prefer the patch yunhong released | 13:29 |
| heyongli | but we can discuss with mail | 13:29 |
| irenab | heyongli: there is no patch linked to latest bug | 13:29 |
| heyongli | witch bug? | 13:30 |
| heyongli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102298/ | 13:30 |
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| baoli | I had yunhong's patches listed on the wiki as well, but I'd like to encourage looking at this one as well:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117042/ | 13:30 |
| heyongli | sure | 13:30 |
| irenab | heyongli: found it, it seems to be in the merge conflict. | 13:31 |
| heyongli | irenab, yeah, no time solt for this now | 13:32 |
| heyongli | baoli, Sylvain Bauza's patch is great | 13:32 |
| heyongli | i will spend time this week to reivew and make a choice | 13:33 |
| baoli | heyongli: sounds great | 13:33 |
| irenab | anything else on nova bugs? | 13:33 |
| heyongli | baoli, how about the pop problem about whitelist? | 13:34 |
| baoli | heyongli, a patch is already available: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130833/ | 13:35 |
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| heyongli | got, on my review list -:) | 13:36 |
| irenab | baoli: there is also a patch (no unit tests yet) for white lists | 13:36 |
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| baoli | irenab, the first patch listed on the wiki? | 13:37 |
| irenab | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133138/ | 13:37 |
| irenab | naoili: yes | 13:37 |
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| irenab | are you ok with this approach? | 13:38 |
| heyongli | got but no time slot for this now ... | 13:38 |
| heyongli | i hope i can review all the patches in this week | 13:39 |
| baoli | irenab: I think that I'm fine with the approach. Although I don't think it's necessary to provide the sections options | 13:39 |
| irenab | baoli: so no yaml file, config stays in nova.conf? | 13:39 |
| baoli | irenab, that seems to be Ian's choice as well | 13:40 |
| irenab | this looks fine for me as well | 13:40 |
| baoli | irenab, it's straightforward. yaml is straightforward too, but just another format to look at. | 13:41 |
| baoli | I'd encourage everyone to review the patch. | 13:41 |
| heyongli | i heared of voice to improve whitlist, this might be a way to do | 13:42 |
| irenab | baoli: agree, just need to see that this is aligned with what came out of ml discussion | 13:42 |
| baoli | Now that we know how to use local.conf to configure with the existing format, it's not in a rush to get the new format in. | 13:42 |
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| irenab | baoli: if you have an idea how to simplify Ian suggestion, please comment on his patch | 13:43 |
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| baoli | irenab, I commented it on patch 1 | 13:44 |
| irenab | we have 15 mins left, are we ok to move on? | 13:44 |
| baoli | irenab, the ML discussion discussed two choices. | 13:44 |
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| baoli | irenab, so we'll see which one will win the most votes in the end | 13:45 |
| irenab | baoli: :-), lets have both | 13:45 |
| baoli | irenab, let's move on. | 13:45 |
| irenab | baoli: any update on live migration bp? | 13:46 |
| baoli | I'm trying to find time working on the specs. I got it started, but stopped with various other things. I'm hoping to get the initial version soon. | 13:46 |
| heyongli | same situation to me for the sriov hotplug | 13:47 |
| adrian-hoban | baoli: I'm interested to review that once ready. Will it focus on macvtap only at this time? | 13:47 |
| baoli | adrian-hoban, yes, macvtap only. | 13:48 |
| irenab | as for SR-IOV for InfiniBand, the spec for VIF driver is under review. This is quite small code change to support IB vif_type | 13:48 |
| irenab | the rest of the nova support does not require any change | 13:49 |
| heyongli | irenab, neutron will check the vender&product to support sriov? | 13:49 |
| heyongli | if new device support it neutron need any change? | 13:50 |
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| irenab | heyongli: not neutron code, just config option for neutron server | 13:50 |
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| heyongli | ok, got it | 13:51 |
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| heyongli | thanks | 13:51 |
| irenab | How do we want to discuss the etherpad items? | 13:51 |
| heyongli | pci stats object model is own by yunhong now, seems in the track | 13:52 |
| baoli | I have his patch listed on the wiki | 13:52 |
| irenab | back to etherpad, anyone had progress with some item? | 13:53 |
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| pczesno | on number 9 | 13:54 |
| pczesno | not much progress yet , but we are working on the spec and libvirt patch | 13:54 |
| pczesno | libvirt guys intrsted in this functionality | 13:54 |
| pczesno | https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2014-October/msg00606.html | 13:55 |
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| irenab | pczesno: Thanks! Do you have spec under review? | 13:55 |
| pczesno | not yet, but should be posted this week | 13:56 |
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| baoli | pczesno: this looks interesting. | 13:56 |
| irenab | We also had talk with Sandhya during the summit regarding collabotation on SR-IOV CI, lets discuss it next week | 13:56 |
| heyongli | interesting | 13:57 |
| irenab | adrian: The CI effort maybe be relevant for NFV as well | 13:57 |
| sadasu | the CI folks are also starting to attend this meeting | 13:58 |
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| heyongli | great news | 13:59 |
| baoli | I will add CI to the meeting agenda | 13:59 |
| sadasu | baoli: thanks | 13:59 |
| irenab | baoli: thanks | 14:00 |
| heyongli | time is up | 14:00 |
| sadasu | don't have an update for this meeting, but will have something starting from next meeting | 14:00 |
| heyongli | let's discuss next meeting | 14:00 |
| adrian-hoban | irenab: Yes, very much so. | 14:00 |
| sadasu | working on changes to my kilo spec after some questions being answered during summit | 14:00 |
| baoli | it's time. it's good to see that we have more folks joining the meeting | 14:00 |
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| irenab | great, I think having agenda was very hepful. Thnaks a lot, baoli | 14:01 |
| sadasu | will post it for review today…would appreciate reviews :-) | 14:01 |
| irenab | sadsu: add me as reviewer | 14:01 |
| baoli | ok, next time | 14:01 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 11 14:01:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-11-11-13.00.html | 14:01 |
| heyongli | see you guys | 14:01 |
| sadasu | irenab: sure.thanks | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-11-11-13.00.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-11-11-13.00.log.html | 14:01 |
| irenab | bye! | 14:01 |
| pczesno | bye | 14:02 |
| sadasu | next week! | 14:02 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 11 16:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2014-11-11_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
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| jlb13 | Jesse Butler | 16:00 |
| diga | Digambar Patil | 16:00 |
| dims | Davanum Srinivas (dims) | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | our attendance is likely to be a little thin because I did not have a current meeting schedule on the wiki until this morning | 16:02 |
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| diga | yep | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | my apologies about that | 16:02 |
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| diga | NP | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | we will begin in just a moment | 16:03 |
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| diga | ok | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | also, DST has ended in North America making the meeting one hour earlier than usual in US timezones. Attendance is always light when that happens. | 16:04 |
| kitch_ | Morning all. | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | hi kitch_ | 16:04 |
| jlb13 | good morning everyone. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so although Roll Call is done, you are welcome to chime in at any time to record your attendance. | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | I see we have some new Stackers present today, so I will give you a chance to introduce yourselves before we discuss the main agenda topics. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Stackforge repo now open | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://github.com/stackforge/magnum Magnum Repo | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | This was the compromise struck last Thursday from the Design session I will summarize in a momnet | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | Until we determine whether this will continue as an OpenStack compute program effort, or be handled separately, this is where we can collaborate on source code. | 16:07 |
| * adrian_otto applause | 16:07 | |
| dims | :) | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | Any other announcements from team members? | 16:07 |
| * kitch_ cheers | 16:07 | |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:08 | |
| adrian_otto | drian_otto to attempt to identify Linux kernel patches that could enable use of nested containers in non-privileged mode | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | *adrian_otto | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | so I actually did find the code for this, and bookmarked it | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | one moment while I get the link | 16:08 |
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| diga | ok | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | darn, I can't find it | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | I'll carry that action item to next week | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to attempt to identify Linux kernel patches that could enable use of nested containers in non-privileged mode | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | I am confident that this work is in progress, and that patches do exist | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | #topic New Attendees | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Attendees (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:11 | |
| adrian_otto | we are growing our team | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | there was considerable interest in Magnum in Paris, and we will have more Stackers starting to work with us | 16:12 |
| * kitch_ waves | 16:12 | |
| adrian_otto | those of you who are new today are welcome to introduce yourselves to the team now. You can share your name, any employer info, and your area of interest (operator, developer, product manager, etc.) | 16:12 |
| nshaikh | Navid Shaikh(nshaikh), Red Hat, developer. | 16:13 |
| jlb13 | hi there, i'm jesse butler. i work in the core solaris engineering org at oracle, on the virtualization team. i'm working on modernizing our lightweight containers for use with openstack (and possibly docker). | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | welcome kitch_ nshaikh and jlb13 | 16:14 |
| * jlb13 waves | 16:14 | |
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| jlb13 | thanks, it was good to meet you last week | 16:14 |
| kitch_ | Jake Kitchener, IBM CTO Office for Software Defined. Primary focus is on acceleration of future technology. We’ve mainly been focused on consumption and driving our openstack upstreamers. Trying to take a more vested role around containers | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | indeed. I am very happy to see you here. | 16:14 |
| nshaikh | thanks! nice to meet you | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | thanks kitch_ | 16:15 |
| nitin | Hi kitch_ | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | so we have a ton of fun work to do in this area | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | so let's cover a bit of what happened in Paris | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | I know diga is itching to hear about that | 16:16 |
| nitin | adrian_otto: great! | 16:16 |
| diga | yes | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Paris ODS Summary | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Paris ODS Summary (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:16 | |
| diga | :) | 16:16 |
| nitin | Hope you had a great summit ! | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | I led two sessions about Magnum at the Paris Summit. One was actually at the Ops summit, and the other in the Nova track at the Design summit. | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | both of these taught me something important | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | let's dive into each | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/9f47bddfffa9a1907f2334fa412afaf4#.VGIth-cl5Eg Ops Summit: What do we want from containers/docker? | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | Key Takeaways: | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | 1) OpenStack operators definitely want containers as a first class resource in OpenStack, with advanced containers-specific features that can not be offered by a Nova virt driver. | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | The room was *very* full | 16:17 |
| nitin | right. | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | I was told by some attendees that it was at capacity, and there were Stackers in the lobby who were not permitted to enter due to max occupancy | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | so that alone told us something | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | all of the containers related sessions all week on all related topics were very well attended | 16:18 |
| kitch_ | For those that didn’t attend, this was true of EVERY session related containers | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | indeed. | 16:18 |
| jlb13 | agreed. if it had "docker" or "container" in the topic, it was packed. | 16:18 |
| nitin | adrian_otto: Could you Pl provide with the link of the containers sessions. | 16:18 |
| diga | Great response | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | nitin: ther eis a link a few lines up, did you see that one? | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | I'm about to give you a second one in a moment (you can check the agenda if you want them sooner) | 16:19 |
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| nitin | yes I have seen that. | 16:19 |
| nitin | Ok | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | In this particular session I explained the concept of Magnum and how it would work | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | and toward the end I polled the audience to find out if the interest was just for Docker, or for other container types as well | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | 2) There is considerable interest for support for both Docker and libvirt/LXC. There was no interest expressed in OpenVZ, although Rackspace does value that. | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | roughly 70% of the room would be happy with a solution that only addressed Docker compatibility | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | at least 15-20% were also interested in LXC support | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | but there did not seem to be a ton of overlap between those two groups | 16:21 |
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| jlb13 | there seemed to me to be a bit of confusion regarding a docker-like API design, and just "using docker". | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | yes, anyone could just use docker today if they want | 16:21 |
| jlb13 | for our purposes in solaris (and likely james' team's purposes with openvz) a docker-like api would be just fine. | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | one thing that was very clear after this session was that something modular for openstack would be valued, especially if it would work well with Docker | 16:22 |
| jlb13 | and agreed - there is interest in containers as an os resource, and in docker. not a lot of overlap, seemingly. | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | so that really confirmed our gut feelings about this | 16:22 |
| jlb13 | yes, that was my overall takeaway as well | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | jlb13: *nod* | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | so there was some perplexed users who did not understand why nova-docker was out of tree | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | I did discuss that with Ian Main | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | and suggested that it continue in Stackforge, but that on milestone releases, it gets imported into the Nova tree as a driver. | 16:24 |
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| diga | ok | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | that way they can still innovate quickly, and operators can leverage it easier | 16:24 |
| dims | adrian_otto: there's a black list of tests that needs to work before that - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova-docker/+bug/1391233 | 16:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1391233 in nova-docker "Enable black listed tests in tempest" [Undecided,New] | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | dims: acknowledged. That list is being worked | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | my understanding is that several of the key items have already been addressed | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | so there is a good chance it could come back into tree soon | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | my reason for spending time talking about this is because if you care about Magnum, you should also care about nova-docker, as it's likely to be the default virt driver for our tempest tests | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | otherwise our CI could take a really long time to run | 16:27 |
| diga | hmm | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so circling back to the summit sessions | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | the next one: | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/4ea895d62545e557991dfc5b7405ceb9#.VGItOucl5Eg Containers service (magnum) | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | This was in the Nova track | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | Key Takeaways | 16:27 |
| diga | ok | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | 1) Commitment to resolve the quarrel over what sort of a code repository we use. A stackforge repo was finally opened as an action item. | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | I announced the link to the repo in the Announcements section above | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | this took the bulk of the discussion time | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | a small number of Nova cores (confirmed again to be a small minority) don't want to be distracted from what Nova is now | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | they had been blocking my patches to add a repo to the openstack namespace | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | and others (confirmed to be a majority) believed that it belonged in the compute program | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | and were blocking it from going into stackforge | 16:29 |
| diga | Good | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | Michael Still higlighted this, and insisted that we get some repo open | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | we did. | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | so that's solved for now. | 16:30 |
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| kitch_ | Just a note... | 16:30 |
| diga | at least something we have in hand now officially | 16:30 |
| kitch_ | It sounded to me like the main issue here was chicken and egg. | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | related takeaway: | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | 2) The Nova team wants to focus primarily on improving the existing Nova code, and is happy to allow a new team to form around Containers. | 16:31 |
| kitch_ | Magnum is difficult to launch without being part of compute. Compute is worried about the overhead of a project that is VERY new | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | kitch_: yes, exactly. The OpenStack community has not figured out how to innovate from scratch yet. | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | my attempts to do this (twice now) have been met with lots of confusion and resistance | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | so the way to combat this is to make Magnum really easy to get and use, and make the user experience really smooth | 16:32 |
| kitch_ | It doesn’t feel like Stackforge is the wrong place to start, but it would be good to get a * on the project that shows it’s got a path to core | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | if users like it, the rest should work out naturally over time | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | if users hate it, then we can move on to something different | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | meanwhile, docker is getting better | 16:33 |
| jlb13 | +1, sounds like a good plan | 16:33 |
| diga | +1 | 16:33 |
| nitin | +! | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | so even if we try and fail here, it's not like there won't be any good containers story to fall back on | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | next key takeaway: | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | 3) I asked for members of the audience to indicate to me if they wanted the Magnum effort to stop or continue. I was swarmed with Stackers wanting to get involved, and nobody contacted me after the meeting indicating we should stop. The feedback was strong, encouraging and positive. | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | I was expecting at least one stacker to come and say this is a distraction. | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | that did not happen. The only resistance was shown during the session with all of us as witnesses. | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | all of the after-session feedback was strong encouragement | 16:35 |
| diga | Good | 16:35 |
| nshaikh | Good! | 16:35 |
| kitch_ | point, I don’t think that containers + openstack is a disctraction, and magnum is as good a proposal as any, but I do think we need to watch the docker community closely to ensure this is the right intersection. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | so this mirrored the sentiment from the Ops session | 16:35 |
| kitch_ | We’re chasing an extremely fast moving target. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | kitch_: yes that's a legitimate concern | 16:36 |
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| kitch_ | I believe we even talked a bit if openstack is the right place to do this or more in partnership with docker | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | I can assure you that I'm following both, and participating in the work that's happening in the Docker community | 16:36 |
| diga | ok | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | yes, if the goal were just to make DOcker and OpenStack to work better together, Magnum would not be needed | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | but our goal is to make containers (modular) to work well with OpenStack | 16:37 |
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| diga | yes | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | so that's a bit different | 16:37 |
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| jlb13 | i'm glad to hear you make that statement | 16:37 |
| diga | +1 | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | so we need to welcome those like jlb13 who have non-docker container tech that they can help us surface in OpenStack | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | not every use case will be perfectly served by Docker | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | and the user community has clearly indicated that they want choice. | 16:39 |
| jlb13 | as well as lxc-only users, openvz and others | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | yes, and openVZ developers are willing to contribute to Magnum, as well as LXC guys from Canonical | 16:39 |
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| kitch_ | adrian_otto: Did you by chance talk to anyone from Canonical about LXD? | 16:40 |
| jlb13 | right, lxd is the first likely peer to docker. that should help frame things. | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | so with Parallels, Oracle, Canonical, and Docker working together, we are likely to come up with a good system for a Containers API | 16:40 |
| * jlb13 cheers | 16:40 | |
| adrian_otto | jlb13: good point. lxd is new from Canonical | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | works at the level of functionality of a virt driver (like nova-docker) and makes LXC available as a way to make smaller, more efficient OS image containers | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | there is no concept of layering in there… at least not yet. | 16:41 |
| jlb13 | nod. high level it abstracts container creation and lifecycle management. so, it's "above" container primitives. | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | on Friday Ian Main and Eric Windisch worked on a POC on Friday that aims to offer minimalistic end-to-end functionality to allow starting and stopping of containers on Nova instances. | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | we made a couple of line diagrams and Eric made some simple python code to illustrate the concept | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | I think his intent was to put that into the stackforge repo for discussion | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | his IRC client is idle now, so we'll have to follow up on that later. | 16:43 |
| dims | adrian_otto: Steven Dake has 10 commits in his repo over diga's repo - https://github.com/sdake/magnum | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | I just noticed that about a minute before we started our team meeting today | 16:44 |
| dims | i spent last evening looking at that and threw in one more commit - https://github.com/dims/magnum | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | it probably makes sense to move that code into the Stackforge repo | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | I will be putting the spec review in there, and abandoning the one from the nova-specs repo | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | our next steps will be to put detailed docstrings into the stackforge repo to document the API | 16:45 |
| diga | Thanks you guys spending time in improvement of the API code | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | review those in Gerrit to the point we feel good about them | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | and then begin to implement the API based on the docstrings | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | does that make sense? | 16:46 |
| diga | yep | 16:46 |
| kitch_ | y | 16:46 |
| dims | +1 | 16:46 |
| diga | +1 | 16:46 |
| jlb13 | +1 | 16:46 |
| nitin | +1 | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | then connect the API to an agent to demonstrate end-to-end capability | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | we *could* use the docker daemon as an agent as a first step | 16:47 |
| diga | ok | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | we do have a BP for an agent | 16:47 |
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| diga | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-agent-for-nova | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://launchpad.net/magnum Our LP Page | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | tx diga | 16:48 |
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| diga | :) | 16:48 |
| jlb13 | i think (very high level) if we have an API defined which is roughly based upon docker functionality, and we have it driving the docker daemon at the backend, it seems like a good milestone to prove end-to-end in that context | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | our proposed design for the agent will work for control plane, but will not be suitable for serial console capability (ala docker attach) | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | jlb13: ok, good so we agree on that | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | we might consider allowing for agent types | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | so docker may be one type | 16:50 |
| diga | ok | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | and magnum's reference implementation of the agent might be another type | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | and we could see what operators prefer | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | maybe better ones can emerge that way | 16:50 |
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| diga | having agent types would be good thing for future | 16:52 |
| kitch_ | so agent types, and docker being a type, does that indicate there could be multiple docker agent implementations? | 16:52 |
| jlb13 | sounds more like multiple magnum agent types, docker being one type | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | or maybe someone wants to run lxd | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | that would be another type | 16:53 |
| diga | yes, | 16:53 |
| kitch_ | ok, so one to one mapping between type and agent | 16:53 |
| jlb13 | or a zones agent on solaris, or a joyent one on smartos, etc | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | so conceptually I see that as a pluggable back-end for Magnum | 16:54 |
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| jlb13 | nod. | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | so we are approaching the end of our scheduled time | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | any other topics that you'd like to address today? | 16:55 |
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| jlb13 | we'll have to define fairly early on core requirements of a backend, versus optional functionality | 16:55 |
| diga | adrian: we need some help from marconi team for queue implementation | 16:55 |
| flaper87 | diga: you mean, zaqar ? :P | 16:55 |
| diga | yes | 16:56 |
| flaper87 | whatever we can help with, please, let us know | 16:56 |
| diga | sure | 16:56 |
| diga | Thanks Flaper87 | 16:56 |
| flaper87 | my pleasure :) | 16:56 |
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| diga | anybody is taking responsibility to migrate existing magnum repo to stackforge ? | 16:57 |
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| dims | i can do that specific task if needed | 16:58 |
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| diga | ok | 16:58 |
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| diga | adrian: will it be fine to migrate existing magnum repo to stackforge ? | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | alright, so our next meeting will be UTC 2200 Tuesday 2014-11-18 | 16:59 |
| dims | we'll need to add some ci jobs | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | diga: yes. | 16:59 |
| diga | ok | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | looks like we will have plenty to talk about then. Please idle in #openstack-containers in the mean time | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 11 17:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-11-11-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-11-11-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2014/containers.2014-11-11-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| serg_melikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 11 17:00:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serg_melikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| serg_melikyan | Hi guys! | 17:00 |
| slagun | o/ | 17:01 |
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| serg_melikyan | I've missed our meetings :) But now summit is finished and we back on schedule | 17:01 |
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| ruhe | o/ | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | Agenda: | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | 1) Action Items Review | 17:01 |
| serg_melikyan | 2) Discuss plans for K | 17:02 |
| serg_melikyan | 3) Open Discussion | 17:02 |
| katyafervent | Hi! | 17:02 |
| serg_melikyan | I think we can skip first item of agenda | 17:02 |
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| serg_melikyan | All agree? | 17:02 |
| ruhe | agree | 17:02 |
| dteselkin | Hi | 17:02 |
| katyafervent | Yes, there were no AI for a long time | 17:02 |
| serg_melikyan | We had no Action Items from previous meeting and last few meetings were canceled | 17:03 |
| serg_melikyan | Ok | 17:03 |
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| serg_melikyan | #topic Discuss plans for K | 17:03 |
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| serg_melikyan | On Summit we met many people and discussed many things. Most of the vision for K cycle is captured in our etherpad | 17:03 |
| serg_melikyan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-murano-design-session | 17:04 |
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| serg_melikyan | I think we should start with creating new repository for specs, like murano-specs | 17:04 |
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| ruhe | i volunteer for doing this | 17:05 |
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| serg_melikyan | ruhe: thanks | 17:05 |
| serg_melikyan | #action ruhe will create murano-specs | 17:05 |
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| serg_melikyan | We have too many things to implement during this cycle, so best way to track to have specs for each big feature | 17:06 |
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| serg_melikyan | After we will create specs repo, and all blueprints will be added to Launchpad, I hope till the next meeting all will be done, we will go through them on the next meeting and assign them to milestone | 17:08 |
| ruhe | i agree. but we need to keep a balance. some of simple feature can be tracked as usual with LP blueprints | 17:08 |
| StanLagun | the only problem with specs that I know is dependency tracking. Sometimes they depend on more than one spec | 17:08 |
| serg_melikyan | ruhe: I would like to limit impact of adding specs repo to our community and suggest to write specs alongside with implemention, but have draft and BP before implementation - wjat do you think? | 17:09 |
| StanLagun | Launchpad can draw dependency graph for BPs | 17:09 |
| serg_melikyan | Each spec should have corresponding BP | 17:09 |
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| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: they don't replace each other | 17:09 |
| ruhe | yeah, dependencies still can be tracked in LP | 17:09 |
| serg_melikyan | ruhe: ^^^ | 17:10 |
| katyafervent | Does any other project have special repo for specs? | 17:10 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: almost all of them | 17:10 |
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| katyafervent | ok | 17:11 |
| serg_melikyan | ruhe: I mean what do you think about having only draft of spec as requirement to BP approval? | 17:11 |
| ruhe | serg_melikyan: i would say - it all depends and is specific for each blueprint | 17:11 |
| serg_melikyan | Ok | 17:12 |
| ruhe | for some BP we can do so, for others it would be beneficial to wait for spec to be approved before approving the BP | 17:12 |
| serg_melikyan | Agree depends on | 17:13 |
| ruhe | as usual, we need to learn from core projects' expirience | 17:13 |
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| serg_melikyan | So let's move to the main topic, as many of our contributors missed the summit, I suggest to go through our etherpad and answer questions, and if needed schedule discussions | 17:14 |
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| serg_melikyan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-murano-design-session | 17:16 |
| serg_melikyan | 1) Fix mechanism of interaction with Heat | 17:16 |
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| serg_melikyan | Questions? | 17:16 |
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| katyafervent | Will we publish this roadmap on our wiki? | 17:17 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: for sure, once we will create all BP | 17:18 |
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| serg_melikyan | 2) Re-surrect support for configuration changes in deployed environment | 17:19 |
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| StanLagun | ^^ what exactly is needed to be implemented here? | 17:21 |
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| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: I think we need to rewrite our applications to support redeployment (many apps are written in a wrong way) and few fixes in UI to support redeploy | 17:22 |
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| StanLagun | my point is that it is somethong that should be done on application side and our app repository is empty | 17:23 |
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| serg_melikyan | We are working on this, I believe | 17:24 |
| serg_melikyan | At least ddovbii is working on new set of apps | 17:24 |
| StanLagun | so this can be written as fill app repository with properly written apps | 17:24 |
| serg_melikyan | We can make them proper and publish in community | 17:24 |
| * ruhe will be afk for 5 minutes | 17:24 | |
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| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: can you take a look at what we exactly should change in UI part? | 17:25 |
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| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: зштп | 17:27 |
| serg_melikyan | ping | 17:27 |
| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: ^ | 17:27 |
| StanLagun | serg_melikyan: I think that nothing should be changed (considering we have no bugs there). But I also think that we should think on how to mark properties that can be set only once and need to be disabled in UI for subsequent modifications | 17:27 |
| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: so will you check that we have no bugs related to that? | 17:27 |
| StanLagun | okay | 17:28 |
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| serg_melikyan | And failed environment endeed may be redeployed? And we can easily add applications to env | 17:28 |
| serg_melikyan | thanks! | 17:28 |
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| StanLagun | I think there are some problems with failed environments | 17:29 |
| serg_melikyan | #action will take a look at what exactly need to be fixed to resolve " Re-surrect support for configuration changes in deployed environment" | 17:29 |
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| serg_melikyan | #action StanLagun will take a look at what exactly need to be fixed to resolve " Re-surrect support for configuration changes in deployed environment" | 17:29 |
| StanLagun | serg_melikyan: don't forget about one-time properties | 17:29 |
| serg_melikyan | Sure | 17:29 |
| StanLagun | this is really important | 17:29 |
| serg_melikyan | #action StanLagun, will think about implementation of one-time properties | 17:30 |
| serg_melikyan | 3) Migrate to newer version of yaql | 17:30 |
| serg_melikyan | I think ruhe already prepared patch for migration to the stackforge (as groundwork for working on the next version) | 17:30 |
| serg_melikyan | 4) Add timeouts for murano-agent calls | 17:32 |
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| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: do you have rough estimates about this? | 17:33 |
| katyafervent | Will we plan to fix yaql compatibility with Python 3? | 17:33 |
| serg_melikyan | katyafervent: for sure :) Almost done actually by ruhe | 17:33 |
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| serg_melikyan | I think yaql is breaking our Py33 jobs for now? | 17:34 |
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| katyafervent | in pythonclient it did even before | 17:34 |
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| serg_melikyan | mm? | 17:35 |
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| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: what about rough estimates for #4? | 17:36 |
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| StanLagun | 1 day for simple naive implementation, 4 days for heartbeats | 17:37 |
| serg_melikyan | Thx :) | 17:37 |
| serg_melikyan | #info Implementation of timeouts/heartbeats for agent calls may take up to week | 17:38 |
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| serg_melikyan | 5) Per-class configuration options | 17:38 |
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| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: I also believe that you already working on this? | 17:38 |
| StanLagun | serg_melikyan: on timeouts? not yet | 17:39 |
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| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: on per-class config options | 17:39 |
| StanLagun | yes | 17:39 |
| serg_melikyan | cC | 17:40 |
| serg_melikyan | Cool ) | 17:40 |
| serg_melikyan | 6) Package versioning | 17:40 |
| serg_melikyan | This one is big topic - I suggest to start with reading to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/d2wJEQjOhN | 17:41 |
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| StanLagun | this needs to be designed very carefully. I already found one issue that is not covered by this spec. And there can be more if we go for implementing aspects or anything similar | 17:42 |
| StanLagun | and this should be aligned with artifacts versioning too | 17:43 |
| serg_melikyan | We definitely need spec for this one | 17:43 |
| serg_melikyan | Very detailed one | 17:43 |
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| katyafervent | Show UI version be eqal to package version? | 17:43 |
| katyafervent | * equal | 17:43 |
| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: can you move your document to the spec once we create repo? | 17:43 |
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| StanLagun | sure | 17:43 |
| StanLagun | katyafervent: not necessary | 17:44 |
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| serg_melikyan | #action StanLagun will move his document about versioning to the spec once repo is created | 17:44 |
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| StanLagun | serg_melikyan: what is the format for specs? Plain text? RST? something else? | 17:45 |
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| serg_melikyan | StanLagun: RST | 17:45 |
| serg_melikyan | 7) Support for HOT, TOSCA Simple Profile | 17:45 |
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| serg_melikyan | 8) Integration with CloudFoundry through service broker API | 17:46 |
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| serg_melikyan | 9) [UI] Optional environments | 17:48 |
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| serg_melikyan | 10) [UI] Proper image filtering | 17:51 |
| serg_melikyan | 11 - 12) Multi-region support & Nova Network Support - both of them on review | 17:52 |
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| serg_melikyan | 13) Adding Policies to Guide provisioning of Murano Environment and Management of instances | 17:53 |
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| serg_melikyan | And this one is also interesting - we discussed this thing with HP guys, hope we will have another discussion on this week | 17:54 |
| ruhe | serg_melikyan: i guess we need to send them an invite for our weekly irc meetings | 17:54 |
| serg_melikyan | Will do | 17:55 |
| serg_melikyan | #action send invite to weekly meeting to the Radek and other guys | 17:55 |
| serg_melikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:56 |
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| ruhe | JFYI i've submitted a patch to infra to move yaql to stackforge: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133545/ | 17:57 |
| ruhe | waiting for Alex to get back from Paris to cleanup branches and tags | 17:57 |
| serg_melikyan | ruhe: thank you! | 17:58 |
| gokrokve | Hi. I suspect that most of thae guys will appear now. As my calendar shows that 10 is a starting time :-) | 17:59 |
| serg_melikyan | wrong timezone? | 18:00 |
| gokrokve | We need also to draft spect for Mistral integration | 18:00 |
| gokrokve | serg_melikyan: I think so. | 18:00 |
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| serg_melikyan | It is part of #13 I believe | 18:00 |
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| serg_melikyan | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 11 18:00:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-11-11-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-11-11-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-11-11-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| serg_melikyan | gokrokve: let's move to our channel\ | 18:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 11 22:01:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 22:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Our Agenda | 22:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 22:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:01 |
| muralia | Murali Allada | 22:01 |
| ravips | Ravi Sankar Penta | 22:01 |
| devkulkarni | devdatta kulkarni | 22:01 |
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| james_li | james li | 22:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 22:02 |
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| adrian_otto | none prepared. Any announcements from team members? | 22:02 |
| dimtruck | Dimitry Ushakov | 22:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | we have a whole bunch of stuff in here | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | I'll iterate the list | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | ACTION: devkulkarni to follow up with ravips regarding bash script to python conversion | 22:04 |
| devkulkarni | ravips is on top of this already | 22:04 |
| ravips | I will give an update on this | 22:04 |
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| ravips | I have done some ground work to convert bash to python for app build/unittest workflow | 22:05 |
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| adrian_otto | !! yay !! | 22:05 |
| openstack | adrian_otto: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 22:05 |
| ravips | lp can be loaded dynamically and we don't have to change any solum worker api for new lp changes | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | Do we have documentation for how to do this? | 22:06 |
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| ravips | I have converted cedarish-docker, dockerfile-docker, chef-docker to python | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | user docs I mean | 22:06 |
| ravips | we don't have readme but I have added comments in the code | 22:07 |
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| ravips | each class describes its purpose | 22:07 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we should open a task to put on the backlog for making how-to docs for this | 22:07 |
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| adrian_otto | I am super happy we are getting this converted!! | 22:07 |
| muralia | long overdue | 22:08 |
| ravips | solum code is constantly moving and if anyone willing to help me will be great | 22:08 |
| muralia | Awesome, I'll take a look at whats out there and see what I can add | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | we will also have additional team members joining us starting next week | 22:09 |
| ravips | lots of pending work: need tons of test cases, most of the code is untested, need to convert remaining lp plugins | 22:09 |
| ravips | mainly cedarish-vm, cedarish-vmslug, etc. | 22:09 |
| adrian_otto | so we can farm out some of this to newcomers as well | 22:09 |
| muralia | we might want to create tasks or bugs for each task, so that it'll be easy for someone to take one and work on it | 22:10 |
| ravips | we anyone willing to help, we can coordinate and move things forward to avoid any duplicate effort | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | ravips: any more on this subject? | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | muralia: +1 | 22:10 |
| ravips | nope..continue with the next topic | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 22:10 |
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| adrian_otto | ACTION: dimtruck to follow up on bugs 1359516 and investigate for any specific issues in replacing simple_server with mod_wsgi | 22:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1359516 in solum "Needs to handle http header 'X-Forwarded-Proto'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359516 | 22:10 |
| dimtruck | still in progress :( | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | ok if I carry it forward to next week? | 22:11 |
| dimtruck | yes sir | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | #action dimtruck to follow up on bugs 1359516 and investigate for any specific issues in replacing simple_server with mod_wsgi | 22:11 |
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| adrian_otto | next is... | 22:11 |
| adrian_otto | ACTION: dimtruck to report back results of multi-node devstack with solum setup | 22:11 |
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| dimtruck | preliminarily research showed that it will NOT be an issue for us | 22:12 |
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| dimtruck | however, to validate it fully, can we carry it forward one more week? | 22:12 |
| dimtruck | the main bottleneck is barbican | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | #action dimtruck to report back results of multi-node devstack with solum setup | 22:12 |
| dimtruck | that's the outstanding research topic | 22:12 |
| adrian_otto | how is that a bottleneck? Can you elaborate? | 22:12 |
| dimtruck | sure...we basically cannot store keys across multiple nodes right now | 22:13 |
| dimtruck | err, sorry | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | using barbacan would help with that, right? | 22:13 |
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| dimtruck | right | 22:13 |
| dimtruck | we default to shelve ...using barbican will fix it | 22:13 |
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| dimtruck | when they're ready | 22:13 |
| devkulkarni | default to shelve in devstack, that is | 22:14 |
| dimtruck | or we store it in our own solum db... | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | ok, what criteria will determine readiness? | 22:14 |
| dimtruck | when they define their api's :) | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | to play devil's advocate | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | an API does exist, and API's are versioned | 22:15 |
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| adrian_otto | is there something we need in the API that does not yet exist? | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | or could we pin to an existing API version? | 22:15 |
| dimtruck | we've had a few issues with pre 1.0 changes ... where they went from using a factory Secret to getSecretFactory | 22:15 |
| dimtruck | in the same version | 22:15 |
| ravips | may be we can use etcd distributed store instead of shelve | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | that's not secure storage | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | so it sounds like we need a stable API release from barbican | 22:16 |
| devkulkarni | also, at that point why not just store it in solum db | 22:16 |
| dimtruck | adrian_otto: correct | 22:16 |
| dimtruck | we know they're hard at work defining it...but we just need some stability prior to calling this a solved problem | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, that's clear. When will we expect a stable barbican API? Where are we tracking this so we don't lose sight of it? | 22:17 |
| dimtruck | so we're tracking it with our tests :) | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so we have func tests against barbican that fail when they break the API? | 22:18 |
| ravips | yes | 22:18 |
| dimtruck | right | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that works. | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | any more on this topic? | 22:18 |
| dimtruck | but it's not an explicit way of determining stability of the api | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | have we at least expressed our interest in an API that we can lock down? | 22:19 |
| dimtruck | was there anything in the summit that pointed to a date when they can release? | 22:19 |
| dimtruck | oh yes | 22:19 |
| dimtruck | we've had those discussions and were even asked feedback on their current design from them | 22:19 |
| dimtruck | on the barbican channel | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | I don't have Barbican news from the summit to share, sorry. | 22:19 |
| dimtruck | after giving them the last feedback, they changed it out on us ;) | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so as long as we have expressed our interest in that, and have a way to know when it breaks… I see that as fine for now. | 22:20 |
| dimtruck | awesome!! | 22:20 |
| adrian_otto | do I speak for all of us on that, or should we see about doing something different? | 22:21 |
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| dimtruck | i'm in the same boat adrian_otto. i think that's a good approach | 22:21 |
| devkulkarni | sounds good to me | 22:21 |
| muralia | ya | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I just wanted to check for any alternate views | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | next action item is: | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | ACTION: adrian_otto to cut the final Juno release | 22:21 |
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| adrian_otto | I will be ready for this before next Tuesday's meeting | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | so I willc arry it | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to cut the final Juno release | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | This only takes about an hour on my end (mostly signing packages with crypto keys and copying stuff around) | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | ACTION: gpilz to add no-ops if CAMP is not enabled | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | there is a review for this, so I know gpilz did this work | 22:23 |
| gpilz | yes, i did | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | https://review.openstack.org/128768 | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/128768 | 22:23 |
| adrian_otto | so that action is complete | 22:24 |
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| adrian_otto | please review that patchset. I'd like to get this merged. | 22:24 |
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| devkulkarni | mkam added first set of no-ops. that review should also be available. or is it merged? | 22:24 |
| gpilz | dev - it's merged | 22:24 |
| gpilz | i rebased off it to get my changes to work | 22:25 |
| devkulkarni | cool. thanks mkam!! | 22:25 |
| mkam | no problem :) | 22:25 |
| mkam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132109/ | 22:25 |
| gpilz | thanks, mkam, for doing the real work | 22:25 |
| mkam | hahaha | 22:25 |
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| adrian_otto | last action was ACTION: mkam to add no-ops if BARBICAN is disabled | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | this action is complete, right? | 22:26 |
| mkam | yes | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | ok, now we can move on | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 22:26 |
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| adrian_otto | any tasks or BP's needing team discussion | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Paris Summit | 22:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Paris Summit (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 22:27 | |
| adrian_otto | we held a Solum design session | 22:28 |
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| adrian_otto | agreed on Kilo's focus to enable production use cases for Solum as the top priority. | 22:28 |
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| adrian_otto | Checked our roadmap and verified that it is correct for the next areas of focus | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | there were a bunch of sessions on containers related topics that were very well attended | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | pretty much every room was packed where a session relating to Containers or Docker was mentioned in the title or abstract were totally full, standing room only | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | so that's obviously a hot topic | 22:30 |
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| dimtruck | awesome! | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | project Magnum now has a Stackforge repo, and a bunch of new support | 22:30 |
| adrian_otto | so Solum should be able to leverage that when it takes form | 22:30 |
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| adrian_otto | any questions about the Summit? | 22:31 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 22:32 |
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| dimtruck | what was the mood of the summit as a whole towards containers/paas? I know docker is a hot topic but is that the sole solution people are looking at or is there a wide variety of tech being proposed? | 22:33 |
| dimtruck | don't know if that's a specific enough question :) | 22:33 |
| dimtruck | s/summit/community/ | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | As expected, there are still OpenStack stakeholders who want openstack to remain small, and for an ecosystem to form around it | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | and there is (what appeared to me to be a larger majority) interested in actually growing both | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | I'm in that group wanting to grow both, so perhaps my bias was impacting my perception | 22:35 |
| dimtruck | awesome! | 22:35 |
| ravips | adrian_otto: any notes/links on solum/containers related discussions @ paris summit | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | it was very clear that the OpenStack user community wants a containers story that's built in | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | not just a bolt on with running Docker yourself | 22:35 |
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| adrian_otto | I have not written up any blogs/notes | 22:36 |
| ravips | okay, np | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | There are etherpads for the three design sessions I led | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | so we could track those down | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | one for Solum, and the following two: | 22:37 |
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| ravips | can you point me to the etherpad links? | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/9f47bddfffa9a1907f2334fa412afaf4#.VGIth-cl5Eg Ops Summit: What do we want from containers/docker? | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | first I will get you the session links | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | then we can find the etherpads | 22:38 |
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| ravips | got it, thanks | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | #link lodesignsummit.sched.org/event/4ea895d62545e557991dfc5b7405ceb9#.V Containers service (magnum) | 22:38 |
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| gpilz | ^^ that link doesn't resolve | 22:39 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/4e2033ced61b8dadf7a2db1aee6d8123#.VGKQJOcmwjk Solum for OpenStack Design Session | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#link http://lodesignsummit.sched.org/event/4ea895d62545e557991dfc5b7405ceb9#.V Containers service (magnum) | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | try one more time | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lodesignsummit.sched.org/event/4ea895d62545e557991dfc5b7405ceb9#.V Containers service (magnum) | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, there, that should work | 22:41 |
| gpilz | ^^^ just takes you to the Sched main page | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Kilo/Etherpads | 22:41 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-containers-service Containers service (magnum) | 22:43 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-summit-ops-containers https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-summit-ops-containers | 22:43 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-summit-ops-containers What do we want from containers/docker? | 22:44 |
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| adrian_otto | I don't see the Solum etherpad on there | 22:45 |
| ravips | for kilo, to focus on production use cases, what are the high level topics we should address? roadmap has a lot of stuff | 22:46 |
| gpilz | http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/4ea895d62545e557991dfc5b7405ceb9#.V Containers service (magnum) | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/HighLevelRoadmap#Milestone_2015.1 | 22:47 |
| gpilz | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/4ea895d62545e557991dfc5b7405ceb9#.V Containers service (magnum) | 22:47 |
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| adrian_otto | so at a high level, the ability to use a heat template with multiple cloud resources | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | and the ability to plug in 3rd party services | 22:48 |
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| adrian_otto | ability to scale an assembly | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | dense packing is already done | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | and application isolation is a characteristic of the way the Heat template is generated. | 22:50 |
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| adrian_otto | we already have a Mono build pack | 22:50 |
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| adrian_otto | that one is a community build pack, and I'm not convinced it works very well | 22:50 |
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| adrian_otto | but I don't think we should work much on that since Microsoft and DOcker are working together on Windows support for Docker | 22:51 |
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| adrian_otto | we'd really like to follow that workstream instead | 22:51 |
| ravips | we are not done with jenkins/trove integration in Juno, those will be pushed out? | 22:51 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, those carry forward | 22:51 |
| ravips | ok | 22:51 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, let's wrap up | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | any parting thoughts? | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today. Our next meeting is Tuesday 2014-11-18 at 1600 UTC | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 22:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 11 22:55:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-11-11-22.01.html | 22:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-11-11-22.01.txt | 22:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-11-11-22.01.log.html | 22:55 |
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