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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 17 16:00:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka2 | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | Who's here for the Oslo team meeting? | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo | 16:01 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:01 |
| jecarey__ | hi | 16:01 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec, dims, flaper87, jd__, sileht: ping | 16:01 |
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| viktors | hi | 16:01 |
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| dims | pong | 16:01 |
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| dims | o/ | 16:01 |
| bnemec | Sorry, other meeting running long. | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | Our agenda is in the wiki: | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:02 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | we have a lot to cover today, so I'm going to go ahead and get started | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | please keep raising your hand if you join the meeting a couple of minutes late | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | this is old info, but just for the record: | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann send an email reminder of the time change before our next meeting - DONE | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #info beekneemech add lib name prefixes to titles for existing specs - DONE | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic Reviews for messaging heartbeat issue | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/856764 | 16:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 856764 in oslo.messaging "RabbitMQ connections lack heartbeat or TCP keepalives" [Critical,In progress] | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | this bug was reported as a pretty bad issue for real production environments with HA rabbit | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | sileht: it looks like there are several changes for this marked WIP, can you point out which one we should be looking at? | 16:03 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | (or maybe anyone else?) | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | the bug itself appears pretty old | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann talk to sileht about bug 856764 | 16:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 856764 in oslo.messaging "RabbitMQ connections lack heartbeat or TCP keepalives" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856764 | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Review new release instructions in Oslo/ReleaseProcess | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ReleaseProcess | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | I sent this request to the ML, too. | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | Please take a look at the wiki page and follow up with questions on the ML so we can be sure everyone understands. | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | I would like each library team to manage their own releases this cycle. | 16:05 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | ah, hi, sileht | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | sileht: for bug 856764, the rabbit heartbeat issue, I wasn't able to tell which patch to review from looking at the open oslo.messaging patches. Can you point out the right one? | 16:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 856764 in oslo.messaging "RabbitMQ connections lack heartbeat or TCP keepalives" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856764 | 16:06 |
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| sileht | dhellmann, the only implementation that works for now (but not ready to land) : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126330/ | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | ok, so that's still a WIP? | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126330/ | 16:07 |
| sileht | dhellmann, yes but this implementation use python thread | 16:08 |
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| sileht | dhellmann, if we move the heartbeat logic to the executor | 16:08 |
| sileht | dhellmann, that will fix only the server side issue | 16:08 |
| sileht | dhellmann, because executor is only used by a server | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | good point | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | ok, we're not going to have time to solve it during the meeting this week, do we need a mailing list thread or are you and Ilya working on it? | 16:09 |
| i159 | Hi all! | 16:09 |
| i159 | sorry... | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | hi, i159, we're talking about bug 856746 | 16:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 856746 in phpdevshell "PHP_VERSION check bug in class.phpmailer.php" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856746 | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | her, no, bug 856764 | 16:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 856764 in oslo.messaging "RabbitMQ connections lack heartbeat or TCP keepalives" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856764 | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | that's the one | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | we have a lot to cover today, so maybe i159 or sileht can post a status update to the ML? | 16:11 |
| sileht | dhellmann, I will do a resume on ML, on both approch and thoses issues | 16:11 |
| * flaper87 is back | 16:11 | |
| dhellmann | sileht: thanks | 16:11 |
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| i159 | dhellmann: Ok, so it is all about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126330/ | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #action sileht post summary of the rabbit heartbeat issue to the mailing list so we can pick a solution | 16:12 |
| i159 | dhellmann: what is ML? | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | i159: sorry, "mailing list" | 16:12 |
| * flaper87 has reviewed some of the heartbeat patches, there are a couple | 16:12 | |
| flaper87 | (AFAIR) | 16:12 |
| * dhellmann gets out his not-lazy fingers for typing during the meeting | 16:12 | |
| i159 | dhellmann: Yes, I write a status of the implementation today, in a few hours | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | i159: ok, thanks, please coordinate with sileht so we don't start 2 threads | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | lots to cover, so we need to move on | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Review new release instructions in Oslo/ReleaseProcess | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ReleaseProcess | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | I sent this request to the ML, too. | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | Please take a look at the wiki page and follow up with questions on the ML so we can be sure everyone understands. | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | I would like each library team to manage their own releases this cycle. | 16:13 |
| i159 | *i'm going to write the status | 16:13 |
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| * bnemec is here for real now | 16:14 | |
| dhellmann | by next week we need everyone to read that wiki page so we can start with releases | 16:14 |
| sileht | i159, I have already take the action... | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | it's not quite as simple as just tagging a release, since we need to keep launchpad up to date as well, but it's not difficult either | 16:14 |
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| i159 | sileht: np, sure | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | next week we will put together the list of who is responsible for releases for each library | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann add "identify release managers" to agenda for next week | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | did anyone read the document and have questions about it? | 16:15 |
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| dims | dhellmann: just glanced through it | 16:16 |
| * bnemec is way behind on all things mailing list | 16:16 | |
| * viktors missed this email, so made a new release manually | 16:16 | |
| dhellmann | viktors: ok, let's talk about that later and make sure launchpad is cleaned up. I think we can run the script with the same tag you used and it will do the right thing | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #action viktors talk to dhellmann about fixing up oslo.db launchpad | 16:17 |
| viktors | dhellmann: ok | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | this segues into our next topic nicely... | 16:17 |
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| dhellmann | #topic managing priorities for kilo | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | For Juno we had a couple of etherpads we used for tracking review priorities. | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "managing priorities for kilo (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| dhellmann | Now that we have launchpad set up, I thought we would use that instead. | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | As described in the ReleaseProcess wiki page, we have a "next-kilo" milestone for each library for active work that needs attention. | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | That also gives us a unified view across all of the projects: | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | and that list makes it relatively easy to ensure we're reviewing the patches associated with bugs and blueprints we have agreed are important. | 16:17 |
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| beagles | markmcclain, did you get a chance to revisit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127633/ ? | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | launchpad isn't great, but it's better than some free-form etherpads I think, and with the new tool that ttx has provided it will also help with release notes and tracking down when fixes went into releases | 16:18 |
| beagles | oh sorry folks | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | beagles: you probably want another room | 16:18 |
| beagles | too many windows | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | np | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: it looks like taskflow's lp page needs to be cleaned up, too | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, quite possibly, will try to do that today | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | #action harlowja_at_home talk to dhellmann about updating taskflow's bug tracker and milestones | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: I see some "fix released" items in the "kilo-next" milestone there | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann clean up oslo-incubator kilo-next page | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | here comes another good segue | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | #topic Need help with bug triage work | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | In order to keep launchpad up to date, we need to make sure we are triaging bugs regularly. | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | Some of the other teams have a small group who volunteer to triage, and others have "triage" days where they go through in batches in a meeting. | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | I'd like to try having someone from each library team handle the triage work for that library, but I'm open to other suggestions, too. | 16:20 |
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| dhellmann | How do you all think we should handle bugs triage? | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | we have a bit of a backlog to go through, and we also need to keep up with new incoming bugs | 16:21 |
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| rpodolyaka2 | viktors and I have set up a event for triaging bugs in oslo.db | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka2, viktors: so you go through the list regularly? that's a good system. | 16:22 |
| rpodolyaka2 | we will | 16:22 |
| viktors | dhellmann: we are suppose to do it | 16:22 |
| flaper87 | I've been thinking we should have a job that each week sends 10 bugs for triage to people that volunteered for triaging bugs | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | ok, that sounds good | 16:22 |
| flaper87 | I've seen this done in other communities (Rust's for example) and it's useful | 16:23 |
| rpodolyaka2 | in tripleo we used to have a bot posting a list of incoming bugs to the channel | 16:23 |
| flaper87 | you'd get a list of 10 bugs each week | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: that's an interesting approach | 16:23 |
| bnemec | Being subscribed to oslo-coresec was a spammy way to keep up with bug triage. | 16:23 |
| flaper87 | I'll send an email to the mailing list | 16:23 |
| bnemec | +1 to using rpodolyaka2's bug triage bot. | 16:23 |
| flaper87 | I think we could use a job like this, each project opts in and same for volunteers | 16:23 |
| bnemec | That has been super helpful in tripleo. | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | heh, pretty soon #openstack-oslo is going to be a collection of bots talking to each other :-) "here's a bug" "here's a patch" | 16:24 |
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| rpodolyaka2 | :) | 16:24 |
| bnemec | lol | 16:24 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: LOL | 16:24 |
| dims | lol | 16:24 |
| rpodolyaka2 | well, it's not that bad :) | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | seriously, though, if that helps we can probably get that set up | 16:24 |
| bnemec | #openstack-skynet | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | haha | 16:24 |
| rpodolyaka2 | people will try hard to make it silent :) | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | rpodolyaka2: can you talk to the infra team about setting that up? | 16:24 |
| rpodolyaka2 | ok | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | cool, thanks | 16:25 |
| rpodolyaka2 | I'm not sure who I need to ping | 16:25 |
| bnemec | RAaaS: Robot Apocalypse as a Service | 16:25 |
| rpodolyaka2 | will ask on -infra | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | #action rpodolyaka2 talk to #openstack-infra about setting up a bot to announce new oslo bugs | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | #action flaper87 start a mailing list thread on a job/bot to email bugs for triage to volunteers | 16:25 |
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| * flaper87 does that | 16:25 | |
| dhellmann | if anyone has other ideas about managing the bug triage work, please start a mailing list thread so we can talk about them there | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | #topic specs that are ready to be approved | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | There are quite a few specs carried over from Juno or that were submitted early enough that I think they're ready to be approved. | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | Let's go through them, and unless there are objections here or on the review by the end of the day today I will approve them tomorrow morning. | 16:26 |
| bnemec | I think this should be a good start. | 16:26 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "specs that are ready to be approved (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:26 | |
| dhellmann | bnemec: yeah, having some more visibility will help | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | let's go through a few of the specs quickly | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | #info db: Make EngineFacade a Facade | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125181 | 16:27 |
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| bnemec | +2 | 16:27 |
| flaper87 | +@ | 16:27 |
| flaper87 | +2 | 16:27 |
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| flaper87 | my shift finger is too slow | 16:27 |
| bnemec | flaper87: +:) | 16:27 |
| flaper87 | :P | 16:27 |
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| dhellmann | heh | 16:27 |
| shardy | o/ | 16:27 |
| shardy | sorry, forgot new meeting time.. | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll approve that one in the morning to give folks time to comment | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | #info db: Add long-lived-transactionalized-db-fixtures | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117335 | 16:28 |
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| dhellmann | rpodolyaka2 and viktors have +1 this one, but I'd like some of the cores to look, too | 16:28 |
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| viktors | we are already +1'ed this | 16:29 |
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| * bnemec hasn't looked at that one yet | 16:29 | |
| dhellmann | viktors: yeah, if no one objects by tomorrow I will approve it but it would be good to have more input if the team has time today | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | #info cache: Convert oslo.cache to use dogpile.cache | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124776 | 16:30 |
| dhellmann | this one we approved late in juno, so I don't think it's controversial | 16:30 |
| bnemec | Oh hey, I voted on that one already. \o/ | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | only question i had on that was the memorycache implemnations aren't the same :-/ | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | *or aren't currently the same | 16:31 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: I think the idea is for this new thing to cause the old one to be deprecated. Do you mean the new one doesn't have a feature that the old one does have? | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | aka, no expiry in the dogpile one | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | the existing memorycache one does have some expiry (not great, but it has one) | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://dogpilecache.readthedocs.org/en/latest/api.html#dogpile.cache.backends.memory.MemoryBackend | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'There is no size management, and values which are placed into the dictionary will remain until explicitly removed. Note that Dogpile’s expiration of items is based on timestamps and does not remove them from the cache.' | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ which is a change in how this works from the existing memorycache | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | ok, I thought the in-memory thing was really meant for tests and not production | 16:32 |
| bnemec | I don't think the current memorycache is actually production ready anyway. It kind of terrifies me that projects are using it as such. | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | well no matter, if they are using it and its different, thats a problem right? | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | it is, except that switching to the new one will require active dev work so we have a trigger point to say "here's a change you need to consider as you migrate" | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | I don't think morganfainberg is planning to just delete the old cache module | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | k, fair enough | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | but that's a good point, and something we should make sure is highlighted in the migration documentation | 16:34 |
| morganfainberg | dhellmann, i am not. i plan on having it get deprecated | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | morganfainberg: right, so there will be time for projects using that to adjust to the new implementation | 16:34 |
| * harlowja_at_home i just don't know what people are doing with the memorycache stuff, so thats all, just wanted to make sure its known | 16:34 | |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: yep, good point | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | next: | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | #info middleware: oslo.middleware healthcheck | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130453 | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | the config option for the endpoint seemed a bit odd to me, but otherwise this one looked fine | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | +1 to me, will avoid a patch yahoo has to do the same (used by load balancers to see if things are ok) | 16:35 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: is there any chance you can share the implementation of that with sileht and jd__ as they look at implementing this? | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, sure, i think its pretty standard | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | will check what it is when i get into office | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: cool, thanks | 16:36 |
| jd__ | thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | also, as a reminder, everyone is able to +1/-1 specs so please do look at them even if you're not on the core team (yet :-) | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | #info Propose tooz adoption | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122439 | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | there was a lot of interest in tooz's features at the summit this time | 16:37 |
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| dhellmann | #info Graduate oslo.context | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131544/ | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | dims has started working on oslo.context already (the repository is imported) and we need a release of that done before we can release oslo.log | 16:38 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: about tooz, what's blocking the +A ? | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | tooz +1 from me (i'm biased, ha) | 16:39 |
| bnemec | :-) | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | jd__: nothing, now, so it will be approved tomorrow unless someone objects | 16:39 |
| jd__ | cool, I'll cook patches then! | 16:39 |
| dims | dhellmann: harlowja_at_home wanted oslo.utils rev | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | jd__: before I think it was just timing and the fact that we were focused on other things | 16:39 |
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| dhellmann | dims: if we're ready to go, that's fine. Do you want to handle it? | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | #topic specs needing more review | 16:40 |
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| dims | dhellmann: i'll run through reviews and do it tomorrow | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | dims: ok, let me know if you run into issues with that new tool | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | #action dims to prepare oslo.utils release | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | dims: oh, and it looks like we don't need to use alpha versions since we can pin upper bounds in the stable branches | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | dims: if you bump the minor version we can retroactive pin the stable branches if we need to | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | #undo | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | #topic specs needing more review | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | #info Add adopt-oslo-versionedobjects spec | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127532/ | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | I think this is close to ready, but it doesn't have many votes on it, yet. | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, there was a question on the version spacing i think for oslo libraries, did u see that? | 16:43 |
| bnemec | That's the top of my spec review priority list for this week. | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: no, not yet | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | let me see if i can find it | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: ok, I think I'll hold off on approving that one for another week to give everyone time to come up to speed on it | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | #topic cross-project liaisons | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | Some of the other cross-project teams have adopted our liaison approach to coordinating work between teams. | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:43 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: Yeah, I've just been swamped since summit covering for people off gallivanting through Europe. :-) | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | based on how well things went for us in juno, most/all of the other cross-project teams are going to follow the same pattern | 16:44 |
| bnemec | Nice | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | we should help them out, by making sure we have our representatives lined up | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | The stable maintenance team has asked for a liaison, for example, to help with tracking backports and reviews. | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/050390.html | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | For us, this means oslo-incubator backports as well as deciding when to create bug-fix releases for libraries. | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | Does anyone want to volunteer for that work? | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: it was awfully quiet last week, I wondered what was going on :-) | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann ask for stable maint volunteer again next week | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | We also need someone to work with the documentation team. | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | They use some of the libraries we've created for their tools, and they also need guidance from time to time on things like how to document configuration options that come from libraries instead of applications. | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, ah, ya, the review was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134727/ (but seems resolved, might be useful to look at) | 16:46 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: ah, ok, I didn't see that one. We are using pbr's version of semver, so as long as we start each cycle by bumping the minor version for new releases we should be ok | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:47 |
| * dhellmann looks around for hands to be raised to volunteer to work with the documentation team | 16:47 | |
| dhellmann | it shouldn't be a lot of work, just making sure we help if they run into issues | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | I think the only area we overlap right now is documenting configuration options, really | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | although we may have some info for configuring messaging and database connections that should go into the manuals, too | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann ask for a doc liaison volunteer next week | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review backlog | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | We have quite a review backlog, so in addition to the blueprints you've signed up for please take a look at existing patches and let's see what we can clear out this week. | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Review_Links | 16:49 |
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| bnemec | Ooh, on that topic I think I figured out the Firefox review link thing. | 16:49 |
| bnemec | It dislikes the Welcome, new contributor! one. | 16:49 |
| bnemec | Probably due to the ! or , | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | oh, interesting | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | we can change that | 16:49 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I've been meaning to follow-up with you on that. | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: do you want to submit the patch to the repo with the dashboards and update the wiki page? | 16:50 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: I just removed it from my local bookmark, how do you want to handle the official link? | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: let's talk after the meeting | 16:51 |
| bnemec | ok | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | #action bnemec talk to dhellmann about updating review dashboard links | 16:51 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Ongoing work | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | Is any of this work blocked? | 16:51 |
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| * dhellmann looks for why the namespace packages blueprint isn't on that list | 16:52 | |
| zzzeek | hmm I believe I have a time conversion issue | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | ah, it's marked for kilo-2 | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+spec/drop-namespace-packages | 16:52 |
| zzzeek | oh how unfortuante, the “1600 UTC” link on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo refers to 1600 UTC on october 25th so that it showed me EDT and I thought the meeting was @ 12 | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | I have patches up for a few of the libraries to move them out of namespace packages listed there | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: :-( | 16:53 |
| zzzeek | what i miss? | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann fix meeting time link | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-11-17-16.00.log.txt | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | is anyone blocked on any of their blueprints or bug fixes? | 16:54 |
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| dhellmann | we already mentioned the oslo.log work being blocked on oslo.context | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll take silence as "no" | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags from liaisons | 16:55 |
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| bknudson | None for keystone | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | usually we will cover this first, but this week we had a lot of new-cycle topics to cover | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | thanks, bknudson | 16:55 |
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| shardy | Heat going OK now bug #1390505 is fixed | 16:56 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1390505 in oslo-incubator "cliutils.print_list mangles output with python3" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1390505 | 16:56 |
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| dhellmann | liaisons, if you're present during this part of the meeting please response as bknudson did if you have no issues, or obviously mention any issues you do have | 16:56 |
| bnemec | I think tripleo is up to date on lib adoptions, and no other issues. | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | None for Cinder. | 16:56 |
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| GheRivero | ironic no issues | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | having you actively respond here helps us keep track of which liaisons are in the meeting, so we can follow up in case someone misses | 16:57 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: good point | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | I still have a work item to get Cinder moved to using libraries for the components that aren't doing that yet. | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | liaisons, one of the priorities for all projects early in the cycle should be updating the incubator and adopting existing libraries. | 16:58 |
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| dhellmann | it would be good to have that work done by k-1 (18 december) | 16:58 |
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| dhellmann | sooner is better, because this cycle as we graduate more libraries we're going to be deleting code from the incubator so it's going to be a moving target for you | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | we're about out of time, so please drop by #openstack-oslo if you run into any issues or have questions | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Will do. | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | and thank you all for being here for the meeting this week! | 16:59 |
| bknudson | I haven't checked since was on vacation, but when I left keystone was waiting on some issues oslo.config file generator. | 16:59 |
| bknudson | so hopefully that will get resolved early enough | 17:00 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: I think that was the patch to add the option discovery functions to the incubator, and I think that landed | 17:00 |
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| bknudson | ok, thanks. | 17:00 |
| bknudson | should be able to use it now... I'll see how it's going. | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | ah, no, it hasn't merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113940/ | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | jd__, bnemec, dims : could one of you +2a ^^ | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | and we're a bit over time, so we need to cut it off here | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | thanks again, everyone | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 17 17:01:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-11-17-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-11-17-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-11-17-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
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| hogepodge | Anyone here for the refstack meeting? | 20:00 |
| zehicle | yy | 20:00 |
| zehicle | o/ | 20:00 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 20:00 |
| redrobot | I think Barbican has this time slot | 20:00 |
| redrobot | 2000 UTC? | 20:00 |
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| catherind_d | o/ | 20:01 |
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| tkelsey | redrobot: yeah I was expecting Barbican ? | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Barbican_Meeting | 20:01 |
| hogepodge | Hmm. It's a bit of a mess. Ironic was at 11, daylight saving changed a lot of things for the US. The wiki says 19:00, but 12:00 Pacific regardless of whether daylight saving or not | 20:02 |
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| hogepodge | (19:00 UTC) | 20:02 |
| redrobot | 1900 UTC was an hour ago. | 20:02 |
| hogepodge | Yes, I don't think the wiki was updated, and I think Ironic snuck into that spot. | 20:02 |
| zehicle | sigh, the bi-annual fund on meeting times | 20:03 |
| hogepodge | RefStack team, want to converge in #refstack? | 20:03 |
| zehicle | kk | 20:03 |
| hyakuhei | Heh | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | Ironic is on openstack-meeting | 20:03 |
| hyakuhei | I was late to everything last week | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 17 20:04:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:04 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:04 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 20:04 |
| chellygel | \o/ | 20:04 |
| reaperhulk | o/ \o | 20:04 |
| tkelsey | hey all | 20:04 |
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| chellygel | portal hi-five reaperhulk ? | 20:04 |
| redrobot | gotta love Daylight Savings Time :) | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | As usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | Ok, let's get started | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #topic RFC 7030 | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | #link https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7030 | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | And here are some notes from alee | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/thoughts_on_certs | 20:06 |
| hyakuhei | Anyone know if there's a decent 7030 protocol diagram anywhere? | 20:06 |
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| dave-mccowan | hello. i'm the guy who brought up EST at summit. I think it fits well for the use cases described, but is quite different standard Barbican API. | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | hi dave-mccowan | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | Apendix of RFC shows example flows. All request/response. | 20:07 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah, EST fits but it's very different. Do many people use EST at the moment ? | 20:07 |
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| hyakuhei | s/EST/7030/Certificate requests over secure transport/ | 20:08 |
| redrobot | so we've mostly agreed that adding a new barbican secret-store plugin that can speak EST makes sense | 20:08 |
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| dave-mccowan | Our hope is that current SCEP users will migrate to EST. It fixes some holes and adds ECDSA support. | 20:09 |
| redrobot | the open question was whether this makes sense to use as a front end for Barbican | 20:09 |
| hyakuhei | Well SCEP is completely horrible and broken. | 20:09 |
| rellerreller | redrobot what do you mean by a new secret-store plugin? | 20:09 |
| rellerreller | Do you mean creating a new interface? | 20:09 |
| redrobot | rellerreller no, I mean a new implementation of SecretStore that can talk to EST devices/services. | 20:10 |
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| tkelsey | redrobot: so an additional SecretStore plugin? like the KMIP one? | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | I could see it either 1) EST as front end for Barbican. or 2) take all the parameters of EST, and put them in JSON format under the order API as a front end. | 20:10 |
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| hockeynut | made it :-) | 20:11 |
| rellerreller | Would the secret store interface need to be changed to support this? | 20:11 |
| redrobot | tkelsey yes | 20:11 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, so there's two conversations here. I'd like them separate. One seems to be, should we have a secret store plugin for talking to CA type things that use RFC 7030. The second is one around should we expose 7030 towards client systems that want to request certificates ... ? | 20:12 |
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| rellerreller | hyakuhei I think that sums it up | 20:12 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei +1 | 20:12 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so lets pick one and talk about it :P | 20:12 |
| rellerreller | Should we discuss the exposing of 7030 interface first? | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller sounds good. | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | #topic Using RFC 7030 as a front end for Barbican | 20:13 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, so it seems to me that most of the time you expect clients to use Barbican client, which makes the protocol just a plumbing issue. The caveat is systems like Certmonger that manage certificates. They probably support 7030 and it'd be nice if Barbican exposed that for them | 20:14 |
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| hyakuhei | I'm not very familiar with 7030 at all but how would we handle AuthN in the case of 7030 at the interface ? | 20:14 |
| hyakuhei | IE Keystone. | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | hyakuhei I think that's one of the open questions. Whether 7030 can handle multi tenancy? | 20:16 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan could you speak to that? | 20:16 |
| hyakuhei | Ok. | 20:16 |
| hyakuhei | Also, is there anything other than Certmonger that we expect to use this because Certmonger can be pretty easily extended to support any interface | 20:16 |
| hyakuhei | Case in point: We use certmonger with ephemeral CA | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | The protocol is flexible for different authentication methods. a keystone auth token could be used as credentials in a certificate enroll request. | 20:17 |
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| rellerreller | dave-mccowan is that covered by "HTTP-Based Client Authentication"? | 20:18 |
| dave-mccowan | rellerreller yes | 20:18 |
| rellerreller | I tried reading the spec today but was distracted many times and was only able to skim it. | 20:18 |
| rellerreller | dave-mccowan it seems like you could put anything in that section and if backed in can read it then AuthN works. Is that correct? | 20:19 |
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| hyakuhei | I like the idea of using certmonger though it should be stressed that Certmonger could be used in either the current or proposed 7030 schemes | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | rellerreller yes. | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | I was hoping alee would be joining us... but I guess I can just steal talking points from his notes I linked earlier | 20:20 |
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| dave-mccowan | for backends, i have plugins (in C) for Dogtag and for "file system based CA". | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | one of Ade's concerns was that 7030 is very different from what we've already implemented in Barbican | 20:21 |
| jaosorior | actually, I very much dig the idea of using certmonger | 20:21 |
| hyakuhei | It handles certificate lifecycle relatively well | 20:21 |
| jaosorior | hooking up a barbican plugin to it shouldn't be too hard | 20:21 |
| hyakuhei | Agreed | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | One example that Ade gives is that we currently have logic to continuously poll a CA for the certificate until it's issued, then the cert and intermediates are stored in Barbican | 20:22 |
| alee | o/ | 20:22 |
| jaosorior | yay :D | 20:22 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 20:22 |
| alee | sorry - I got confused on the time. | 20:22 |
| alee | thought it was 40 mins from now. | 20:22 |
| redrobot | alee no worries, woodster was also expecting it at CST | 20:23 |
| woodster_ | o/ Ha, same with me | 20:23 |
| reaperhulk | Okay, let's restart on this question because I think we've kind of been drifting down paths that may not be important just yet | 20:23 |
| hyakuhei | Does it make sense to support 7030 for certificate requests from client systems? | 20:24 |
| reaperhulk | RFC 7030 defines a set of endpoints and various semantics for sending CMC data to CAs. CMC is defined in RFC 5272 | 20:24 |
| reaperhulk | From what I can tell CMC does not have provisions for defining what CA you want to have issue your certificate. The assumption is that you're sending it to something that already knows. | 20:24 |
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| reaperhulk | alee's thoughts in his etherpad cover this by saying we could potentially pass CMC data as metadata, but I'm interested in others' thoughts as well. | 20:24 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah that's an interesting gocha | 20:25 |
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| hyakuhei | I'm not sure that implementing 7030 buys all that much apart from making it easier for one or two client libraries to use Barbican. | 20:25 |
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| hyakuhei | Which could just as easily be extended to 'speak' the current scheme | 20:25 |
| rellerreller | So we are saying we want to support multiple CAs? That seems to be the assumption but with secret stores we only use one. | 20:26 |
| rm_work | yeah, 7030 is very inconsistent with the current API strategy :/ | 20:26 |
| chellygel | rellerreller, i believe so, yes -- the idea was that the user would have multiple CAs | 20:26 |
| hyakuhei | We _absolutely_ want to be able to support multiple CA's at the same time | 20:26 |
| * rm_work agrees with alee's assessment in general | 20:26 | |
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| chellygel | rellerreller, i user may want an internal CA and an external CA -- or multiple internals... or something of that nature | 20:27 |
| hyakuhei | chellygel: +1 | 20:27 |
| alee | rellerreller, we definitely want to support multiple ca's/ at some poitn , we'll even have the ability to do subca's within the same dogtag instance. | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | OK, that is cool with me, but I like to ask the obvious questions sometimes to make sure the requirement is clear :) | 20:27 |
| woodster_ | I think the CA flavor concept in Ade's blueprint could assist there: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129048/ | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | I agree with hyakuhei that it doesnt seem that 7030 buys us much in the front end. | 20:29 |
| alee | playing devils advocate here, the advantage of implementing rfc 7030 is that we have something that is "standard" - which presumably more and more clients will eventually implement. | 20:29 |
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| hyakuhei | It's nice to have things that 'just work' but a lot needs to change | 20:29 |
| hyakuhei | alee: True | 20:29 |
| hyakuhei | but take KMIP | 20:29 |
| hyakuhei | currently there are _two_ evaluated complient KMIP servers | 20:30 |
| alee | but this is pretty new -- and not a lot of folks have implemented this yet I think | 20:30 |
| hyakuhei | and that's been around for a while | 20:30 |
| alee | yup | 20:30 |
| hyakuhei | So there's possibly a side case to make Certmonger play nicely with Barbican ? | 20:31 |
| hyakuhei | As it seems like a useful thing to do | 20:31 |
| alee | hyakuhei, I think thats the direction we should go. | 20:31 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei yes, there's been interest in certmonger->barbican functionality. | 20:31 |
| * reaperhulk agrees | 20:32 | |
| alee | hyakuhei, certmonger already does a lot of things that we would need to add to barbican-client and has been around for awhile now | 20:32 |
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| alee | things like cert lifecycle management | 20:32 |
| reaperhulk | RFC 7030 compliance on the front end would require some API that allows a user to provision that endpoint and specify what CA they want it bound to, etc. Same applies for a KMIP frontend. I think those are nice to haves but low priority | 20:32 |
| hyakuhei | alee: Yup, that's what we use it for, managing the whole lifecycle. | 20:33 |
| redrobot | reaperhulk +1 | 20:33 |
| redrobot | I think we're mostly in agreement that 7030 in the front end might be nice at some point, but not for Kilo. | 20:34 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 20:34 |
| jvrbanac | +1 | 20:34 |
| tkelsey | seems reasonable | 20:34 |
| woodster_ | Does anyone disagree that this is lower priority for K at least? | 20:34 |
| alee | reaperhulk, its also inconsistent with what we have -- ie. if the cert is pending, the semantics are different | 20:34 |
| alee | it does not deal with "orders" etc. .. | 20:35 |
| reaperhulk | yeah, the CMC resubmission stuff | 20:35 |
| reaperhulk | agreed | 20:35 |
| hyakuhei | I kinda like rsubmission over some shared ID thing | 20:35 |
| hyakuhei | but that's another conversation ;) | 20:35 |
| dave-mccowan | to clarify, is there a different certificate front end that would be targeted for Kilo? | 20:35 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan yes, we'll continue to flesh out the Orders api for "certificate" type orders. | 20:36 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot cool. i'd like to volunteer to help with that this cycle. | 20:37 |
| redrobot | #agreed RFC 7030 as a Barbican front end would be nice, but low priority for Kilo | 20:37 |
| redrobot | I think we can move on to the next question? | 20:37 |
| hyakuhei | Backend support? | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | #topic RFC 7030 as a new certificate backend. | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | hyakuhei yes. | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | dave-mccowan, in particular, we'd like to finalize what is going into the 'meta' field for certificate orders. So Ade's possible approach for using CMCRequest would be somethign to consider: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/thoughts_on_certs | 20:38 |
| hyakuhei | woodster_: Is this going back to the first question? | 20:38 |
| alee | woodster_, +1 yes -- I'd like to talk about that as well next. | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | yep, sorry, bled over into the next topic | 20:38 |
| redrobot | alee I'll add that to the agenda. | 20:38 |
| hyakuhei | ok. what are we talking about now then? \ | 20:39 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei 7030 as a CertificatePlugin | 20:40 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok | 20:40 |
| woodster_ | So client -> barbican -> 7030 service, correct? | 20:40 |
| hyakuhei | So are there any CA endpoints that support it today (obvious question) | 20:40 |
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| alee | redrobot, its an interesting idea - but on the whole, I'm not sure how useful. rfc7030 is a specification for an RA | 20:40 |
| alee | and thats exactly what barbican would be. | 20:41 |
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| alee | its more like client -> barbican -> 7030 RA -> CA | 20:41 |
| hyakuhei | Sure but functionally a client just sees 7030 -> CA/RA | 20:42 |
| hyakuhei | because they throw a CMC in and either get a Cert back or a nack | 20:42 |
| alee | hyakuhei, thats only if we support 7030 on the front end | 20:42 |
| hyakuhei | hmm. | 20:42 |
| woodster_ | hyakuhei, the closest with the current barbican API would be to throw that CMC as part of the order request | 20:43 |
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| alee | otherwise, they see something like POST /orders {meta including cmc) | 20:43 |
| woodster_ | ...in the meta data | 20:43 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, I confused things there by saying CMC | 20:43 |
| alee | and they get back an order_id | 20:43 |
| hyakuhei | My point was, Barbican gets some order through the orders interface, and either eventally gives the client back a cert or it doesnt | 20:43 |
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| hyakuhei | with some polling / order_id etc in the middle | 20:44 |
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| alee | right - done by barbican | 20:44 |
| alee | not the client | 20:44 |
| alee | (well - some by the client potentially) | 20:44 |
| hyakuhei | At this point I'm pretty sure we're saying the same thing in different ways so I'll ssh | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | alee I think what hyakuhei meant to say is that Barbican would be a client to some 7030 service, and not care whether it was an RA/ or CA | 20:45 |
| hyakuhei | yeah | 20:45 |
| alee | redrobot, yes but a 7030 service is an RA -- not a CA | 20:45 |
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| alee | redrobot, anyways I have no objection to such a plugin -- I just dont think it will be useful. | 20:46 |
| hyakuhei | I still don't follow alee but +1 to the overall 'not really needed' point | 20:46 |
| hyakuhei | Though I guess if someone wants to write one it wont hurt | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | Yeah, I wasn't proposing that we do this work in Kilo, but I did want to get an answer on whether such a plugin would be helpful to someone. | 20:47 |
| woodster_ | alee, so you are saying the cert request could be handled by a 7030 service, but the retrieval and storage of the generated cert would involve talking with the CA out-of-band wrt to 7030, correct? | 20:47 |
| redrobot | And whether we would want to merge it, if someone was to do the work. | 20:47 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: if someone was invested enough in solving some $problem to build a barbican plugin I should imagine $problem is worth solving and should be merged. | 20:48 |
| alee | woodster_, I'm just sayuing that 7030 defines the interface for an RA. That RA would need to talk to a CA | 20:48 |
| reaperhulk | I think that probably covers 7030 effectively and we've only got 12 minutes left so should we move to castellan? | 20:48 |
| woodster_ | yeah, it seems no one is snapping at the opportunity to write such a plugin, or has an existing service they'd like to integrate with Barbican :) | 20:49 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 20:49 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on. | 20:49 |
| redrobot | #topic Generic KeyManger Interface | 20:49 |
| alee | reaperhulk, , redrobot I'd like to talk about using cmc request in metadata | 20:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Generic KeyManger Interface (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:49 | |
| reaperhulk | rellerreller probably has some opinions here :D | 20:49 |
| redrobot | alee key manager was next on the agenda | 20:49 |
| alee | but we can defer till the after-meeting | 20:49 |
| rellerreller | Yes, I'm curious if the new library has been created yet. | 20:50 |
| alee | wegian? | 20:50 |
| redrobot | Every Monday morning I think this is going to be a short meeting... but it never happens. | 20:50 |
| redrobot | castellian seemed to be the least hated name | 20:50 |
| hyakuhei | Just a note, after meeting sucks for us UK guys (current meeting finishes at 9pm) | 20:50 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: +1 lol | 20:50 |
| rellerreller | Our goal is to support the new library and integrate it into Cinder and Nova to support our Cinder volume encryption feature. | 20:50 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei yikes, that's rough. | 20:50 |
| hyakuhei | The scrifices we make ;) | 20:50 |
| alee | hyakuhei, sorry , mate .. | 20:51 |
| hockeynut | but you guys have Top Gear | 20:51 |
| hyakuhei | True that, all things in balance I guess | 20:51 |
| hockeynut | yep | 20:51 |
| redrobot | rellerreller I think we're just waiting to nail down a name, then I can create the repo, etc. | 20:51 |
| hyakuhei | rellerreller: How can we help with adoption? | 20:52 |
| rellerreller | redrobot That sounds good. I have a developer that is chomping at the bit to get started. | 20:52 |
| woodster_ | should we create an etherpad with names that folks can vote on? | 20:52 |
| redrobot | woodster_ last time that didn't get us anywhere... ;) | 20:52 |
| rellerreller | The biggest help will be getting Cinder and Nova to accept the new library code. | 20:52 |
| redrobot | Anyone absolutlely hate Castellian? | 20:52 |
| woodster_ | it worked for voting on design topics | 20:52 |
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| reaperhulk | redrobot aren't you adding an i in there | 20:52 |
| alee | castellan? | 20:52 |
| woodster_ | llavo? (sp) | 20:53 |
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| rellerreller | I don't expect much pushback from Cinder since they already have the code. Nova may be trickier. We only have about 90% of the code accepted there. | 20:53 |
| reaperhulk | I support Castellan as not being an objectionable name. | 20:53 |
| woodster_ | No ducks (sorry Nate)...castellan works for me | 20:53 |
| hyakuhei | rellerreller: I can help a lot with Cinder, I'll talk to some people. Though I think BArbican broke some gates again I think | 20:53 |
| rm_work | err, so could I push to include CertManager in addition to KeyManager? | 20:53 |
| jvrbanac | reaperhulk, +1 | 20:53 |
| rm_work | something like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131889/ | 20:53 |
| reaperhulk | rm_work: nope. One topic at a time. | 20:53 |
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| rm_work | I modeled that off KeyMgr from Cinder | 20:53 |
| rm_work | reaperhulk: it's the same topic :P | 20:53 |
| rellerreller | hyakuhei Yes there was an issue. We need to stabilize the API. It has changed a few times and that causes tests to fail. | 20:54 |
| reaperhulk | Not really given that you're attempting to expand the scope. | 20:54 |
| woodster_ | Castellan +1 | 20:54 |
| reaperhulk | I'm not necessarily opposed but we have enough problems staying on topic :) | 20:54 |
| redrobot | rm_work do you expect to write alternative certificate issuers ? | 20:54 |
| alee | rm_work, I'm wondering if using Certmonger obviates the need for CertManager | 20:54 |
| rm_work | redrobot: well, i do have one now | 20:54 |
| hockeynut | Castellan + 1 for me too | 20:54 |
| rm_work | alee: I guess that's a point, though I could argue for Certmonger AS an implementation of the interface | 20:55 |
| rellerreller | Castellan +1 for me and Yeti +2 | 20:55 |
| alee | Castellan +1 Yeti +1 | 20:55 |
| hyakuhei | ooh, Yeti, that's an option!? :) | 20:55 |
| woodster_ | yeti was derived from yett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yett) I recall | 20:56 |
| rellerreller | I think it's an option, but I don't know if it will be vetoed or not | 20:56 |
| chellygel | Castellan +1 | 20:56 |
| redrobot | we're running out of time for today... and I'm seeing a lot of +1s for Castellan | 20:57 |
| chellygel | + jraim liked it too | 20:57 |
| hyakuhei | I vote for trusting you guys to just make a smart choice | 20:57 |
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| jvrbanac | no pressure | 20:57 |
| jvrbanac | :D | 20:57 |
| redrobot | #todo redrobot to add openstack/castellan repo | 20:57 |
| jaosorior | guessing it will stay as castellan | 20:57 |
| rm_work | it's a boardgame: http://www.sjgames.com/castellan/ but other than that, I think ok | 20:57 |
| rellerreller | I'm good with whatever. I would like to have closure, so we can create the library. | 20:57 |
| hyakuhei | way too many smart people sat around to chat this long over the name for a library | 20:57 |
| hyakuhei | Castellan sounds fine to me :) | 20:58 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei and this is the second time we try to pick one... we spent a couple of hours talking it over in Paris >_> | 20:58 |
| hyakuhei | wow | 20:58 |
| rm_work | names are hard :/ | 20:58 |
| woodster_ | Like a bunch of architects deciding on just the right class names :) | 20:58 |
| redrobot | top dollars at work | 20:59 |
| jaosorior | well... I do spend a lot of time naming my variables and functions... | 20:59 |
| rm_work | but anyway, just be aware that I will be talking about pushing the scope just a tad to include the interface Neutron/LBaaS needs for Certs, not just Keys -- so expect that discussion to happen | 20:59 |
| redrobot | ok, guys, I suppose we can jump back to #openstack-barbican for post-meeting discussion. I'll recap next meeting for our UK friends. | 20:59 |
| rm_work | whether now or later :) | 20:59 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 17 21:00:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| woodster_ | rm_work, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition either! | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-11-17-20.04.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-11-17-20.04.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-11-17-20.04.log.html | 21:00 |
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